On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:22 AM, [1]...@heartistrymusic.com wrote:
I have no problem with people moving to music
while performing, if it is genuinely felt. It's when these motions
and
expressions seem contrived to impress an audience that I have to
stop
looking.
De : Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com
A : wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
Objet : [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Date : 05/12/2010 02:04:33 CET
Copie `a : Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net;
Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Just my problem. . .. No, a problem for at least me too
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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:32 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Great musicians often have an amazing presence on stage, but this can
be with minimal gesture. Their very presence takes complete control of
the theatrical space.
$
However, it could be argued
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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 6:40 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
It's a pitty.
Such a good player and he insists on all these funny theatrical
expressions and kitchy video clips.
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From: Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com
6:40 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
It's a pitty.
Such a good player and he insists on all these funny theatrical expressions
and kitchy video clips.
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To: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com; e...@gamutstrings.com
@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
I have the feeling that he uses music to create an image that feeds with
obviously huge ego. I do not buy it, not musically nor lutenistically and
most of all artistically.
On Dec 5, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Roman
.
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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
I have the feeling that he uses music to create an image that feeds with
obviously huge ego. I do not buy
? That
might have a bearing on the gestures also.
Gary
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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:45 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
I have the feeling that he uses music to create an image
Heaven forbid, a lutenist should make a living wage playing his/her lute.
And playing it well, I might add.
Gary
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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 5:15 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 5:15 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
He indeed cashed in with Sting! ;)
A.
On Dec 5, 2010, at 1:53 PM, G. Crona wrote:
I'm not fond of theatrics myself
My father once wrote:
More artists died from others' fame than from natural causes.
RT
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From: Gary Digman magg...@sonic.net
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Heaven forbid, a lutenist should make
I find that only people who think of themselves as serious musicians or music
lovers have a problem with performers moving to the music. My advice to those
bothered by what they perceive as someone getting into it too much would be
either A) Don't look, just listen B) Accept it as an
You can eat at my table.
RT
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From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com
I find that only people who think of themselves as serious musicians or
music lovers have a problem with performers moving to the music. My advice
to those bothered by what they perceive
On Dec 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote:
Travel back in time to the gallant era when such things mattered (just be
sure to avoid Mozart, who once broke a shoe because he was stomping along so
forcefully to the music)
Well, no. As intriguing as the thought of Mozart stomping
05, 2010 11:43 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
On Dec 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote:
Travel back in time to the gallant era when such things mattered (just be
sure to avoid Mozart, who once broke a shoe because he was stomping along
so forcefully to the music)
Well
On Dec 5, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
Lulli hit himself in the foot while conducting with such strenght that he got
gangrene and died.
There you have an illustration of 17th century comportment.
But rather the opposite of what the listers are complaining about with EK.
Lully
@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
I find that only people who think of themselves as serious musicians or music
lovers have a problem with performers moving to the music. My advice to those
bothered by what they perceive as someone getting into it too much would be
either A) Don't look, just
Very true! To clarify - I have no problem with people moving to music
while performing, if it is genuinely felt. It's when these motions and
expressions seem contrived to impress an audience that I have to stop
looking. But that doesn't mean I have to stop listening ; )
Tom
I find that
Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 3:22 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Very true! To clarify - I have no problem with people moving to music
while performing, if it is genuinely felt. It's when these motions and
expressions seem contrived
On Dec 5, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
The video in question was not made for any audience
It must have been made for someone to see. This was a professional shoot (with
three cameras?), and EK could scarcely have been unaware of the closeup camera.
That said, his gestures do
Just have a look at Pavel Steidl on Youtube... A great romantic guitar
player. Perhaps as Karamazov you can like or not his gesture but he is a
great player.
The problem with Karamazov is he made some very good job (Bach on a gibson
like electric guitar is really great), and some awful (I think
I have a high tolerance for gestures, because as I get older I need
to move my arms farther than is necessary to keep from getting stiff
or even cramps.
I'm not sayingthat's the case here, but everyone has to move in their own way.
And when it is too much, hopefully one will address it in a
Well, I guess I started this (interesting, thanks to all commentators!)
gesture talk.
To me K's gestures in this certain video we talk here, certainly are of no
annoyance. Truly. They just spoil and hinder my possible enjoyment of the
music - I just cannot close my eyes, when the music is made
:
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
To: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com
Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 4:32 PM
Well, I guess I started this
(interesting, thanks to all commentators!)
gesture talk.
To me K's gestures
the possible musical message.
I am happy you got it! And I suppose so did the majority?
Arto
Chris
Christopher Wilke
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
www.christopherwilke.com
--- On Sun, 12/5/10, wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote:
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
Subject: [LUTE] Re
Alas, I was not clear, left out a word, resulting in tautology...
On Dec 5, 2010, at 1:06 PM, howard posner wrote:
That said, his gestures do seem to be part and parcel of his performing
style, which is full of big, impulsive gestures.
I meant to say big, impulsive musical gestures. i.e.
...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote:
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
To: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com
Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 4:32 PM
Well, I guess I started this
(interesting, thanks to all commentators!)
gesture
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
To: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com
Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 4:32 PM
Well, I guess I started this
(interesting, thanks to all commentators!)
gesture talk.
To me K's gestures in this certain video we talk here
Beautiful. I'm fascinated by that lute. Edin may be on to something.
Gary
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From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Karamazov
He has probably 8 of them, all strung differently.
RT
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From: Gary Digman magg...@sonic.net
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 4:21 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Beautiful. I'm fascinated by that lute. Edin may be on to something.
Gary
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:23:56 -0500, Roman Turovsky
r.turov...@verizon.net wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmLoX2TTAig
His strong movements, his gestures while playing, are quite disturbing to
me. Just my problem, I guess and also admit. It would be easier to me to
listen to his very
I agree, Arto. I find all the exaggerated motion he makes a barrier
to the music.
At 04:16 PM 12/4/2010, wikla wrote:
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:23:56 -0500, Roman Turovsky
r.turov...@verizon.net wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmLoX2TTAig
His strong movements, his gestures while
Just my problem. . .. No, a problem for at least me too. The question of
how much musical performance is theatre, is always to be considered. I prefer
less theatre.
Ned
On Dec 4, 2010, at 5:16 PM, wikla wrote:
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:23:56 -0500, Roman Turovsky
r.turov...@verizon.net wrote:
Yes, I agree ... although I've seen worse (not just on lute).
I always have to question,
How much of this is calculated and staged,
how much is genuine?
Still, an amazing, creative artist.
Tom
Just my problem. . .. No, a problem for at least me too. The
question of how much musical
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmLoX2TTAig
RT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA2TbQrAHBY
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Interesting and beautiful in its genre!
Is the lute amplified or just mixed front?
Arto
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:23:56 -0500, Roman Turovsky
r.turov...@verizon.net wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmLoX2TTAig
RT
From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
The latter.
RT
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From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Interesting and beautiful in its genre!
Is the lute amplified
Thank you, Roman;
What sort of lute is Edin playing? 13 courses and the first 5 are single.
This is new to me.
Gary
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From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Karamazov
The same Mateus archlute he used for the BachBritten CD, hence the peculiar
stringing.
RT
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From: Gary Digman magg...@sonic.net
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:00 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Thank you, Roman;
What sort
, December 01, 2010 9:00 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Thank you, Roman;
What sort of lute is Edin playing? 13 courses and the first 5 are single.
This is new to me.
Gary
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To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent
Unorthodox as ever but brilliant nevertheless!
Alexander
On 01/12/2010 14:06, Roman Turovsky wrote:
It was done in order to make possible artificial harmonics and other
unusual techniques.
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, February 08, 2009 1:43 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
That would be too depressing to believe.
RT
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Well Roman, to paraphrase from a recently released movie, maybe we're
just
not that into him
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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
It may well be exactly the case when the truth is depressing; but wouldn't
- From: Alexander Batov
alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com
To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
It may well be exactly the case when the truth is depressing; but
wouldn't
BTW,
No one seems to have cared/dared to comment on the Kaliopi Karamazov Duet
video.
It is great music.
Here it is again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvP4uZjAf_k
RT
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To: Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr;
h maybe. Or maybe no one is the best.
There are 5-6 who are.
Can you post some comparisons?
Than might cause a bit of ill-will.
I've certainly heard better perfomances of the chromatic fantasies.
dt
I haven't.
RT
At 03:54 PM 2/6/2009, you wrote:
That may very well be, but it
Well Roman, to paraphrase from a recently released movie, maybe we're
just not that into him
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Roman Turovsky
[1]r.turov...@verizon.net wrote:
BTW,
No one seems to have cared/dared to comment on the Kaliopi
Karamazov Duet video.
--
That would be too depressing to believe.
RT
From: Daniel Shoskes kidneykut...@gmail.com
Well Roman, to paraphrase from a recently released movie, maybe we're
just
not that into him
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Roman Turovsky
r.turov...@verizon.netwrote:
BTW,
No one seems to have
Spike Jones said, If you're going to shoot off a gun in a tune, you better
have good time.
Gary
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From: Sean Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:02 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov as a circus musician
Keep looking in the mirror, Igor.
DR
On Mar 23, 2008, at 12:34 PM, igor . wrote:
not HIP enough !
Savall plays an early renaissance bow _
Guitarist using Dunlop capo_
Karamazov playing Vihuela _
what a circus
p.s.
more ValeryThomas please
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For the period in question, 1516-1598 I should think vihuelas are well
within reason and fiddles and bows went in a lot of directions. Capos
don't bother me much either. It would be like forbidding putting your
lute against the right period of table for a little amplification. Or,
dare I
Canaries?
very entertaining - I love the sound of the zynk. The players look so funny
when they play *grin*
Thank you for directing us to this video.
Best wishes
Thomas
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They say Martin y Coll was born around 1670
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The bearded percussionist is Pedro Estevan.
On Mar 23, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Sean Smith wrote:
Btw, is that Lee Santana playing percussion?
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The bearded percussionist is Pedro Estevan.
I thought it was Papa Smurf..?
Rob
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luckily , there are hundreds of youtube performances by Kidneycutter and
Valery to enjoy . I hope they will post more !
SavallCo are not as good ( for me , of course ) as old good
Val,ShoskesSchall .
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On Mar 23, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Sean Smith wrote:
I'll judge the performance to whether it atchieves the goals of the
music, the composer, the players and the director.
That's a lot of goals! Not always easy to reconcile.
Plus we have to add into the mix the caprices of the audience. I can
and point out that EK (looking very seventies in this
video, don't you think?) is not playing the vihuela but rather an
archlute (which we all know is the dreaded single-strung variety)
Karamazov does Vihuela David ! Before any judging , you should see
the whole clip at least
On Mar 23, 2008, at 5:56 PM, igor . wrote:
Karamazov does Vihuela David ! Before any judging , you should see
the whole clip at least
Yes. Sorry, my mistake.
Now that I've seen the whole thing though, I'm just curious: what do
you mean exactly when you say you want more HIP? Just
On 3/23/2008, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtnSb3aJz0o
Nice performance, thanks for the tip!
Arto
PS The modern capo, the certain igor found, did not bother me at all,
well actually I did not even notice... ;-)
BTW, my old guitar capo is very useful
what do you mean exactly when you say you want more HIP? Just that
thing with the capo?
no David : check my earlier messsage ! why do i have to remind
you all the time to read and see well ?
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dear mr. giuliani
professional lutenist should have more different sized lutes ( guitars )
instead of cheap bluegrass capo ! orlearn to transpose ( maybe )
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On Mar 23, 2008, at 6:47 PM, igor . wrote:
no David : check my earlier messsage ! why do i have to remind you
all the time to read and see well ?
Okay, okay, I promise to watch everything all the way to the end in
future. My bad. But I'm still curious. Perhaps someone else can
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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
There are some out there who think Monk was a sloppy player.
Karamazov is also a Monk fan (as I am, as well), and,
guess what-
he recorded a few Monk tunes on a small THEORBO (single-strung). Very well
done
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There are some out there who think Monk was a sloppy player.
Karamazov is also a Monk fan (as I am, as well), and,
guess what-
he recorded a few Monk tunes on a small THEORBO (single
On Friday 25 January 2008 07:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] rattled on the keyboard:
Roman Turovsky wrote:
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWvfnGpF-Y
Very good and activating provocation, Roman. You really made the list
talk about important and interesting matters. Well done and thanks for
that!
talk.
Gary
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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
No, no, you misunderstand me. I wasn't trying to insult you
Late to the party, sorry..
Nice piece. What a cool piece. What a really cool piece.
Cadence probably not by Dowland, so OK to write your own. Look at the
wandering excursions in the Holmes mss. for examples.
Stylistcally eccentric, but, most recordings of ren music do not
display a thorough
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From: David Tayler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:00 AM
To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov...
Cadence probably not by Dowland, so OK to write your own.
Any evidence?
Look at the wandering excursions in the Holmes mss
Phew. What a discussion. I was away for a few days and just finished
digging through my inbox.
Forlorn hope has been my favourite for decades and is still in my top
ten not necessarily only among lute music. What a piece! In my humble
opinion, Edin's interpretation is as well interesting
]
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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:52 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov...
Roman Turovsky wrote:
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWvfnGpF-Y
Very good and activating provocation, Roman. You really made the list talk
about important and interesting matters. Well
I mentioned to my wife that Edin Karamazov had become a subject of
discussion on the lute list. (She and I were introduced to the
Labyrinth CD/DVD by the elder ladies of our consort, and she liked the
Can she excuse my wrongs segment and Edin's playing so much she
asked for the set for Christmas.)
Paul Keiffer wrote...
All this talk about the last chord: yes i understand it is written major
and its what dowland said, but i dont think it is that big a deal when you
take the interpretation as a whole. Edin's performance was remarkably well
crafted, and imo he brought out the structure of the
On Jan 25, 2008, at 3:12 AM, Taco Walstra wrote:
On Friday 25 January 2008 07:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] rattled on the
keyboard:
a) The musical performance: I think K plays the piece in a very
guitaristic (in the 20th century sense) way, vertically, not
horizontally More often than the
On Friday 25 January 2008 14:47, Stewart McCoy rattled on the keyboard:
Dear All,
I have been told, I hope reliably, that, if, at the time of Dowland, you
wanted to attack an army of soldiers armed with muskets, you would first
send a small group of soldiers ahead to draw their fire. Before
From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is an emphatic statement, and a fitting climax to an extraordinary
piece of music. To play a wrong note deliberately in the last chord, not
only discredits the composer, it also insults the listener. In terms of
musical logic, it is like a lawyer
, as it contains
the counterpoint keys to unlock the other sources.
dt
The most interestingAt 02:20 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote:
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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:00 AM
To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Dear Roman,
Perhaps we should consider what John Dowland thought about people
re-writing
his music. He made his view very clear in the introduction to his _First
Booke of Songs_ (London, 1597).
Hoppy Smith routinely rewrites what he plays, A LOT MORE that a single note
that Edin changed.
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:43 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Is there somebody out there who thinks Thelonius Monk was incompetent?!
FYI
Monk was a master stride pianist among other things. Stride piano is one
the
most challenging jazz styles. If you think Monk
I expected Count Dracula to pop out from a barrel, that would have been
great... and the candles, wow, the candles..
Donatella
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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:52 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:47 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote:
I enjoyed much of Karamazov's performance, not least the way he
kept the rhythm steady, unlike so many self-indulgent players today
who constantly play around with the tactus...
...It is an emphatic statement, and a fitting climax to an
From: David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sticking to the script is most admirable, as is cultivating a sense
of humility and respect for the composer. Indeed you may be sure
that these things would certainly have been endorsed by the composer
himself, especially the latter! ;-)
But as long
Great perfirmance indeed! Very evocative and affektiert. Don't know if the
archlute (thankfully double coursed) is something Dowland would have played
on, but it sounded great. Short nails on RH. Combination of TI - TO. Lots of
changes of RH position and holding of the lute, which makes the
I find it noisy and gimmicky; a lot of look-at-me that distracts from
the flow of a masterpiece. But that's a matter of taste, I suppose,
as is tolerance for the slop whenever he plays sixteenth notes.
But if he doesn't like the way Dowland ended the piece, he should
play another piece
Nachricht-
Von: G. Crona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2008 19:30
An: Lutelist; Roman Turovsky
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov...
Great perfirmance indeed! Very evocative and affektiert. Don't know if the
archlute (thankfully double coursed) is something Dowland would
On Jan 24, 2008, at 1:48 PM, howard posner wrote:
I'm sure there's a lot of lute music that's inconsequential enough
that it's not a great sin to tamper with it, but Forlorne Hope
isn't in that class.
God forbid that we should Tamper with it! ;-) Is Dowland really as
etched in stone
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov...
I find it noisy and gimmicky; a lot of look-at-me that distracts from the
flow of a masterpiece. But that's a matter of taste, I suppose, as is
tolerance for the slop
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: G. Crona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2008 19:30
An: Lutelist; Roman Turovsky
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov...
Great perfirmance indeed! Very evocative and affektiert. Don't know if the
archlute (thankfully double coursed) is something
I suppose playing only two notes of the last chord (and getting one of
them wrong) is a tremendouser sin than just changing one of the notes
of the last chord, eh? And yet, considering the setting (and the title
of the music) who is to say? I can't speak for the manuscript that
Forlorn Hope is
crappinge not wipeth his arse clean
On his breeches it will seene.
RT
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From: G. Crona [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Lutelist' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu;
'Roman Turovsky' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:13 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Are you addressing moi, David? Your remarks follow mine, but they
don't have much to do with them.
On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:05 AM, David Rastall wrote:
I'm sure there's a lot of lute music that's inconsequential enough
that it's not a great sin to tamper with it, but Forlorne Hope
isn't in
On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Ray Brohinsky wrote:
I suppose playing only two notes of the last chord (and getting one of
them wrong)
I'm not following this reference. It sounds like you're describing
my playing, but I don't think you've ever heard me.
is a tremendouser sin than just
, it is always good to have a benchmark for how
not to do something
Stay Clean
Mark
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2008 20:23
An: G. Crona; Lute; 'Lutelist'
Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov...
Edin was just moving
Howard,
--- howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is one published source (Mertel's Hortus
Musicalus Novus) and
one manuscript source in the
Cambridge Library. Both end in major. All of
Dowland's minor-mode
fantasies end in major.
..as is standard practice in the
Well said, Enzo.
RT
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From: Dante Ferrara [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 3:33 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Karamazov
My, my. We are an overheated lot tonight!
Yes, the final chord
On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:32 PM, howard posner wrote:
Are you addressing moi, David? Your remarks follow mine, but they
don't have much to do with them.
Oh, sorry, I thought they pertinent as well as impertinent. At least
they were intended to be anyway. ;-)
...Karamazov's choppiness may
20:23
An: G. Crona; Lute; 'Lutelist'
Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov...
Edin was just moving his hands in sync with Nigel North soundtrack, yeah,
that's right. No, actually it was overdubbed on a synthetiser! Yeah, that's
right.
MArk,
you remind me of a medieval English poem that goes
Hi Dante,
You are absolutely right, I personally have no problem with him changing the
last chord, I also would not do it, but if he wants to why not.
There is probably nothing more un-HIP than not daring to stray from the
written page. Playing exactly what is written is more a romantic or
On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Dante Ferrara wrote:
My, my. We are an overheated lot tonight!
Not at all. It's midday here, and since it's the middle of one of
those notoriously brutal Los Angeles winters, I'm hardly overheated.
As none of us has ever met Dowland, we'll never know whether
Mark Wheeler wrote:
You are absolutely right, I personally have no problem with him
changing the
last chord, I also would not do it
Indeed...
but if he wants to why not.
Here's one reason why not: suppose I started this post this way:
Mark Wheeler wrote:
You are absolutely right, I
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