Re: [newbie] Firewal not working...
On Wednesday 10 March 2004 04:26 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Wednesday 10 March 2004 01:24 pm, Marc Resnick wrote: rhein wrote: And one more... I red the instruction to setup a firewall. I use my machine since the first MDK installation with no firewall. In my case I had just to remove the everything cross and install a package. No problem until I tried to connect to the net or open a website. Nothing works. I go back to the firewall and click in everything and I'm back on the net. What shall I do? Is the firewall not just limiting the access to my machine? Thanks for your help. The firewall is blocking all connections in and out, thereby limiting any internet connection. Only block what you'll never use, or specify ports instead. It happens to be a very good firewall. For instance, I was talking through gAIM once, while playing with the firewall. Suddenly, no communication. Interesting, how well it blocks connections. For a starter you will need port 80 open for the web --Marc but thats only if you're running a web server. If there's aren't any services being run on this machine then it doesn't matter. The firewall has to be at least enabled in some fashion in order for the inet connections to function correctly. Which is why the poster notices functionality when the firewall is turned on, and no functionality when the firewall is turned off. By far the easiest and least troublesome firewall app I've seen and have been using now since Mandrake 8.2 is Bastille. I've seen Shorewall, and a bunch of the others; and have in fact tried them out. I always came back to Bastille. It just works. -- Mark If you have found a very wise man, then you've found a man that at one time was an idiot and lived long enough to learn from his own stupidity. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Firewal not working...
On Thursday 11 March 2004 04:52 am, rhein wrote: Hello, I opened port 80 by typing tcp/80 udp/80 in the advanced panel of the firewall setup. Still no access to the net. I removed all the firewall and I can connect again. What did I wrong? Christophe Christophe, check my reponse to Aron just above this one. It explains a bit more as to whats going on. In brief, if the firewall is turned off, then the inet connections become inoperable. When it is turned on things work. Thats a feature and not a bug. If this is a workstation behind an already configured firewall, then just allow everything. If not, then you'll have to configure some sort of rudamentary firewall. If you've got no services running other then maybe ssh to this machine, then when you turn the firewall on open the ports for the service you're running. Thats really all there is to it. I would suggest reading up on IP Tables a bit so you've got some idea of whats going on as opposed to relying solely a GUI config wizard. If you can find the packages try installing Bastille on your system. Its probably the easiest out there to configure, and once its done you just let it alone. -- Mark If you have found a very wise man, then you've found a man that at one time was an idiot and lived long enough to learn from his own stupidity. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ad-Aware
On Saturday 13 March 2004 01:51 pm, David Williams wrote: Is there any thing for Linux like Ad-Aware for Windows? Is there even a need for anything like Ad-Aware for Linux? I love these kinds of questions...they're so cute! In answer to your question, no. There is no need for such software for your linux system. As you learn and grow with Linux you're going to find a whole new world of freedom as well as a place to go and relax without having to worry about everything little thing that is affecting windows users...or should I say afflicting them. -- Mark If you have found a very wise man, then you've found a man that at one time was an idiot and lived long enough to learn from his own stupidity. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Triple Boot Mandrake
On Sunday 14 March 2004 09:04 am, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 14 March 2004 07:22 am, Philip Cronje wrote: On Sunday, 14 March 2004 14:10, Stephen Reynolds wrote: Will the Mandrake 10.0 Community installation process automatically add the second installation of Mandrake to lilo.conf or will it overwrite lilo with Mandrake 10.0 Community. I'm guessing that it will overwrite. Seems to be the logical thing for it to do, considering that you won't be upgrading, but installing. (Your 9.2 partition won't be mounted, thus it won't know about your /etc/lilo.conf). But this is just me firing shots in the dark :) It is quite easy. During installation of 10.0, you will be asked a question of where to install the bootloader. The choices should be 1) on MBR 2) on / (root) partition, or 3) do not install. You want to choose number 2, install to root partition. actually in this situation the best thing to do is simply install the bootloader to a floppy and boot the third Mandrake installation from there. It works flawlessly this way, and also keeps from getting the bootloader stuff already on the hard disk all messed up. Saves on user stress as well. -- Mark If you have found a very wise man, then you've found a man that at one time was an idiot and lived long enough to learn from his own stupidity. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Saturday 30 August 2008 06:03 am, anton wrote: Big hairy things! ARGGGH! My one real wish with 3.2 was to put the KDM blues (having to use GDM) behind me. Alac, alas, not to be! The piece of )*()*^ still doesn't work (for me)! It will log me into a desktop now (before, with 3.1.3, not even that), but only Ice. No KDE, no Gnome. What? Why? How? GDM, however, does it just hunky dorey! If Gnome didn't suck so bad I would, well, use it! Any ideas on why KDM has suckiness embedded deep within it are most welcome. Cheers Anton -=-=- ... I want a VEGETARIAN BURRITO to go ... with EXTRA MSG!! I dunnojust updated my 9.2 workstation here with the community release of 10.0 and KDE 3.2 is blazing! In fact I read some of the reviews written by folks who had done the 10.0 install and was a bit skeptical about the increased speed of 10. No longer...I've seen it with my own eyes, and I'm lovin it! Good job Mandrake! -- Mark If you have found a very wise man, then you've found a man that at one time was an idiot and lived long enough to learn from his own stupidity. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MandrakeMove problem
On Friday 26 March 2004 08:47 pm, John Carver wrote: It appears the dcopserver file is not working properly. KDE will not execute its programs because this setup is not running. Any help on this? I'm not sure this was meant to do anything other then allow folks to preview Mandrake and what it looks like. I never got the impression it was meant to do anything else. -- Mark If you have found a very wise man, then you've found a man that at one time was an idiot and lived long enough to learn from his own stupidity. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Samba vs LinNieghborhood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Weaver wrote: Burrows, Scott wrote: Hi all, I have my MDK 9.1 box connected to our Windows network here at work using Samba. From a windows box I can see my linux box on the network. Using Samba alone should I be able to browse the windows network? Currently I dont seem to be able to. If yes can I log onto the Windows network from my linux box and browse the network? If I can use Samba for that then what is LinNieghborhood used for? Thanks from a newbie. Scott Hi Scott, In order to browse the Windows network you would be using LinNeighborhood and Samba together. LN would use the SambaClient to access the negotiate the connection to the windows network. For this all that is necessary is to have the Samba-client package installed on your machine. LinNeighborhood would do the rest. Do you mean that once we install LinNeighborhood we can do all of that without the need for SWAT and WEBMIN? Thanx, ayoub890 something like that because all you need is the samba client and LinNeighborhood -- Mark If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless, Sharing is what makes them powerful. Registered Linux User # 186492 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Urgent !!!!! Error after installation reboot. Urgent!!!!!!!!
Budianto Yudi wrote: No i choose standard mouse. well ok... its your computer. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Urgent !!!!! Error after installation reboot. Urgent!!!!!!!!
Budianto Yudi wrote: PS 2 mouse. yes...I have one too! -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Urgent !!!!! Error after installation reboot. Urgent!!!!!!!!
Budianto Yudi wrote: install madrake linux 9.1 from CD. Problem 1 : when the installation ask for the languange which i choose, the mouse pointer always hang, and i must reset my computer and start over the linux installation so the mouse pointer can be moved. Why ? is there something wrong with my mouse ? Problem 2 : In the summary part of the installation, I configure my display adapater, when it offer me to test my display adapter, the mouse pointer always hang, so i must use keyboard to finish my installation. Is this a serious problem ? how must i do to fix it ? Problem 3 : in the exit part of the installation. the linux always reboot the system. when it goes to the black screen there is some error this. install succeeded sending termination signals ... done sending kill signals ... done unmounting file systems ... /proc /tmp/stage2 /mnt/mnt/win_c /mnt/mnt/win_d /mnt/home/ /mnt/proc/ /mnt umount failed failed to umount some file systems How to fix this error ? After i reset my computer and runs linux for the first time linux run for fsck and linux offer me to repair automatically and i choose yes. but after that I cannot run into xwindows and the linux ask about login name. I note some error when linux preparing the system to run xwindows. there are some error when loading the saslauthd. The linux says there is error with shared library or directory doesn't exist. How to fix this error ? Please help me. I need it urgent. Thanks I believe you have a partition error. Are you partitioning your drive through the expert install or are you allowing the installation routine to partition the disk for you? And what kind of drive are you installing Mandrake on? I ask because it sounds as though not everything is getting correctly written to disk. Another cause for this could be bad media. i.e. the Cd's you're installing from. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] XFce 4.0
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 06:03, Mark Weaver wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 13:41, Todd Slater wrote: I finally got around to making the RPM's for XFce 4.0, available at http://clevername.homeip.net/xfce4/ as always. WHAT A GUY! Gee, mate, you're a sport! Good on ya! Hip hip hoorah! Todd's neater than sliced bread! Kudos! Nudos! Das ist gut! Muy bien! Yowzah! Geewillickers! stephen kuhn - owner here here...I'm with Stephen on this. I LOVE IT! Man! has this desktop ever come a long way. Thank you SO much for putting this stuff online. It is Beauutiful and so stinkin easy to install and get going I almost got bored! The only thing I have to whinge about (whinge = whine) is that when I try to run or use another right-click function - it takes SO long...so I re-arranged my path statements and that helped a bit...but wonderingdoes anyone else have to deal with that? (Probably best posted to the XFCE4 group - but ain't hurting to post it here - YES - Stephen's asking a question...)...blah... stephen kuhn - owner I haven't noticed any of that although I find myself wishing for the right-click main menu such as the one found in KDE, Fluxbox, IceWM, and so on. How's come XFce4 doesn't have that feature. Thats really my only complaint. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Where I can find mdk 9.2 (final) in Mandrake Club?
Lucio_Costa wrote: --- Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: On Tuesday 30 September 2003 09:24 am, Lucio_Costa wrote: Greetings All. I subscribe me in Mandrake Club and I can't find MDK9.2 in there. Can anyone help me to find it in there? As far as I know Mdk9.2RC2 _is_ the same as the final release. If they haven't yet frozen cooker, which I'm sure if they haven't will be doing so rather soon, you should be able to get ever you need from RC2+Cooker. That should hold you till the final ISO's hit the mirrors. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] XFce 4.0
Todd Slater wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 12:03:47PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: The only thing I have to whinge about (whinge = whine) is that when I try to run or use another right-click function - it takes SO long...so I re-arranged my path statements and that helped a bit...but wonderingdoes anyone else have to deal with that? (Probably best posted to the XFCE4 group - but ain't hurting to post it here - YES - Stephen's asking a question...)...blah... I haven't noticed any of that although I find myself wishing for the right-click main menu such as the one found in KDE, Fluxbox, IceWM, and so on. How's come XFce4 doesn't have that feature. Thats really my only complaint. Have you tried MenuMaker? It will generate a root menu for many WM's, XFce4 included. I just can't remember if it's right-click for menu or workspaces now. Todd Interesting! I'd never heard about MenuMaker. I've usually got my nose in a block of PERL code or some other language and seldom come up for air. Much to my wife's shagrin. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] XFce 4.0
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 13:41, Todd Slater wrote: I finally got around to making the RPM's for XFce 4.0, available at http://clevername.homeip.net/xfce4/ as always. WHAT A GUY! Gee, mate, you're a sport! Good on ya! Hip hip hoorah! Todd's neater than sliced bread! Kudos! Nudos! Das ist gut! Muy bien! Yowzah! Geewillickers! stephen kuhn - owner here here...I'm with Stephen on this. I LOVE IT! Man! has this desktop ever come a long way. Thank you SO much for putting this stuff online. It is Beauutiful and so stinkin easy to install and get going I almost got bored! -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] XFce 4.0
HaywireMac wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:03:17 -0400 Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: here here...I'm with Stephen on this. I LOVE IT! Man! has this desktop ever come a long way. Thank you SO much for putting this stuff online. It is Beauutiful and so stinkin easy to install and get going I almost got bored! and it's even better when you combine it with Pekwm... www.orderinchaos.org/pekandxfce4.png Loove it! Nice Joe! how'd ya do that? And what is Pek? for me I'm trying to figure out why my app window fonts are so large? http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/images/XFce4_desktop.png -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] XFce 4.0
Boulytchev, Vasiliy wrote: Ladies and Gents, Does anyone know/use a Groupware Linux Email client that replaces Outlook? THANKS! Vasiliy Boulytchev Colorado Information Technologies, Inc. http://www.coinfotech.com Evolution comes to mind. As far as real GRoupWare apps take a look at what Novell has with GroupWise 6.5! http://www.novell.com/products/groupwise/nix.html -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] groupware email client
Boulytchev, Vasiliy wrote: Ladies and Gents, Does anyone know of a good Linux Groupware Email client that would synch up just like Oulook? THANKS! Vasiliy Boulytchev Colorado Information Technologies, Inc. http://www.coinfotech.com http://www.novell.com/products/groupwise/nix.html -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] XFce 4.0
Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: At 04:03 PM 9/29/2003, Mark Weaver said something remarkably like (but somehow subtly different from): Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 13:41, Todd Slater wrote: I finally got around to making the RPM's for XFce 4.0, available at http://clevername.homeip.net/xfce4/ as always. WHAT A GUY! Gee, mate, you're a sport! Good on ya! Hip hip hoorah! Todd's neater than sliced bread! Kudos! Nudos! Das ist gut! Muy bien! Yowzah! Geewillickers! stephen kuhn - owner here here...I'm with Stephen on this. I LOVE IT! Man! has this desktop ever come a long way. Thank you SO much for putting this stuff online. It is Beauutiful and so stinkin easy to install and get going I almost got bored! Another newbie question here.g What is XFce 4.0 anyway? a very awesome and very light weight desktop manager. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Me thinks I got a virus
Terence J. Golightly wrote: List, I just started my machine after leaving it off while away from home. I noticed that when I booted the machine, right over the third? column where the devices are listed with there associated interrupts was a rectangular section colored green with four greek letters shaped like Es (I can't remember the name of the letter its been too long) spaced like this: E EEE. The machine hung after that and I was forced to reset the unit. When it rebooted, I got a bios checksum error so I restarted again and reset the bios to optomized settings and the machine restarted (didn't see the colorized box again though). It did kill my menu with my logout buttons and a couple of buttons some other panels. I noticed that it took a long time for the file systems to be mounted and when it did final come up ( 1min) I logged in and opened gqview. The box locked up I tried the AltSysReq R,S,E,I,U,B key sequence but to no avail. I reset it. I'm back up and creating this document. My first question is obvious: How to get rid of the virus? How to check why the alt sysrqst key sequence isn't working? Thanks with Urgency, Terry P.S. I hesitate to go in as superuser, I don't know if the virus is scanning for passwords or not. Hi Terry, I seriously doubt you've got a virus. If you do, and I don't think thats what it is, then that would be something very new. Secondly, what is alt sysrqst key sequence? I've never heard of that for restarting a linux machine. OTOH, if you're refering to CTRL+ALT+DEL then that would and should usually restart a machine unless it is seriously locked up at which point the only way to get one going again is a hard boot. ( hitting the reset button. ) To my knowledge there are only two viruses in the linux world and they haven't been around for quite some time. So I really don't think thats your problem. It sounds more like a hardware problem. Could be bad RAM that is causing the kernel some very nasty headaches. Has this machine ever acted strangely before? Are you sure no one else had access to the machine while you were away? Did you load any new software on the machine before going away and shutting it down that may have been compromised? -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HP Laserjet 1000
Frans Ketelaars wrote: On Wednesday 20 August 2003 07:19, Matthew Dunaway wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head title/title /head body I am using Mandrake 9.0 Power Pack. I would like to go M$ free. The only thing stopping me is I can't get my Laserjet 1000 printer to work. Does anybody know how to get this printer to work? I would love to ditch Windows, but I won't if I can't get this printer to work. I don't know diddly about Linux, hence being on the newbie list.br Can anybody helpbr /body /html http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1000 And please don't send html mail :) HTH, -Frans I had, at one time, purchased the same kind of printer, and found it impossible to get working with my Mandrake system. I didn't find the affore mentioned site to be any help at all. So, I did the next best thing. I took the printer back to where i bought it from, and this time purchased a REAL hardware printer. An HP 1200 LasarJet. The 1000 is not a real hardware device and is also known as a win-printer disguised as a hardware laserjet. It relies on software to do what real hardware printers use their own firmware to do. Try as i might I could not get this printer to work. I'm glad I took it back because the printer I came home with hooks up on a parallel port and has all the firmware it will ever need inside the device. And to thing I only paid $120 for this beauty. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] lexmark z54 driver
Adolf, Michael F scribbled nervously after reading Mark's message: No luck yet finding a linux driver for lexmark z54 inkjet. Has anyone got a z54 to work? mike Hi Mike... I've got some good news and I've got some bad news. First, the bad news...the Lexmark Z series printers are horrible on windows and nigh onto impossible in Linux. ( it really depends on how much time, effort, and sanity you wish to invest. ) The good news is, if you're REALLY tenacious it can be done. Although, you probably won't like the results. The Lexmark Z series has next to no firmware in the machine which means it has to get all it's instructions from the drivers it uses. I was able to get one of these to work, but as I said the results were terrible. What ended up happening I had to go through, with trial and error, and try ever cups driver for the Lexmark Z series till I found one that worked. It was aweful, so I went to Office Max and bought an HP LaserJet (HP 1200). I Love it! they were on sale at the time and it cost me $150.00. Very painless to install and get working and Extremely well supported in Cups. -- Mark Stupidity has no moral high ground. It can't see that high! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help!!!!!
Erylon Hines wrote: You are joking, right? Download additions don't have serial numbers, and no registration is necessary. If you buy the boxed set, there is a support number, but download editions aren't supported by Mandrake, except by the help lists, such as this one. Mandrake Linux is a COMMUNITY, and while we may occasionally rant about something on this list, the Mandrake Newbie Community tends to be very helpful and supportive. (Just don't post in html--ha, ha--inside joke. Stick around and you'll understand.) Ask your questions here. It is very likely that someone on this list will know the solution to your problem. Sometimes we fail, but it's been my experience, with my own problems, that this list is quite knowledgeable. Lord knows, I have a 3 ring binder plumb full of stuff. aw heavens! I keep mine tarballed on disk. easier to lug around on a floppy if'n I need to access'em quickly. -- Mark The definition of stupid is doing something the same way twice and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein -- Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] securing postfix
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anything that one needs to do to secure postfix out-of-the-box configuration in 9.1? I need to allow relaying to run mailing lists, but I don't want to become a relay for spammers. Thanks, Todd Todd, Go to this page. It has all you'll ever want to know about securing a Postfix server. http://pfortin.com/Linux/PostFix/ -- Mark The definition of stupid is doing something the same way twice and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein -- Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Steve Ballmer: No sleep lost over Linux
Stephen Kuhn wrote: Kinda old, but I just found this - thought it might be of interest to some of y'all...actually quite funny when you think about it... http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/os/story/0,248630,20274086,00.htm Ballmer is such a bafoon! -- Mark The definition of stupid is doing something the same way twice and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein -- Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Re: [expert] usb problem with PDA palm zire
Shamot wrote: Hello. I have just problem when to try hotsync because of nonexisting /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1 When I do hotsync it seems kernel recognizes my device and try to load modules and creare /dev/ust/tts/0. Something is wrong here coze I get this from kernel: Mar 30 19:26:02 Shamota kernel: usbserial.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 / Cli 4.x converter now attached to ttyUSB0 (or usb/tts/0 for devfs) Mar 30 19:26:02 Shamota kernel: usbserial.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 / Cli 4.x converter now attached to ttyUSB1 (or usb/tts/1 for devfs) Mar 30 19:26:02 Shamota devfsd[143]: error copying: /lib/dev-state/usb/tts/0 t o /dev/usb/tts/0 Mar 30 19:26:02 Shamota devfsd[143]: error copying: /lib/dev-state/usb/tts/1 t o /dev/usb/tts/1 Mar 30 19:26:03 Shamota kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 244 Mar 30 19:26:03 Shamota kernel: usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:1d.1-2 addres s 14 hotsync is canceled then and no files in dev are created. Any suggestion how to solve this problem ? Thanks Shamot Assuming you've got devfs running on boot try setting the device to use /dev/pilot. that should do the trick. If you're attempting a hotsync with Kpilot I'd suggest you also give Jpilot a try. I've found this to work wonderfully. I'm using a Handspring Visor and am having no trouble what-so-ever hotsyncing my visor with Jpilot. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fonts in 9.1
Todd Slater wrote: On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:28:24 + Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 1:28 pm, Todd Slater wrote: I was checking out some stuff from texstar and came across some screenshots of Mandrake with XFT2 and just about fell off my chair. Is this the font treatment in 9.1, or is there something special that has to be done for XFT2? (http://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/scree nshots /Mandrake-XFT2/) On another subject, if you're using a recent Mozilla, how do you like the automatic image resizing? I haven't made up my mind yet. Todd Yep. 9.1 looks much like that :-) Nice isn't it? There will still be some tweaking possible to improve it still more such as enabling the bytecode interpreter in the freetype2 RPM (Disabled by default because of a patent issue) derek Very nice. I considered moving to RH8 after seeing its font treatment in a screenshot, but I didn't want to trouble with learning another system and I like the MDK community. Todd Todd, you would have been sorely disappointed since there aren't any admin tools in RH8.x. That is one immasculated OS. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] true alcohol stories...please read
Robert Wideman wrote: I was taking a friend home Wednesday evening when on the radio was a commercial type thing that reported a Sophomore in Lake Travis High School was in a drunk driving accident. He had 2 friends with him who were killed instantly when they hit another car head on, the driver of the other vehicle was killed as well. The only surviving person was the student that was drunk, due to the burns from the accident, he has no nose and ears, nor does he have ANY use of his hands, has NO hair, and his face was completely destroyed. 40 surgeries to this student has not helped over the years. My friend whom I was taking home stated that she went to high school with him and knows him personally. After the ad was over we had kept talking about it and she stated that the student drunk driver was 5 times over the legal Texas limit for alcohol consumption. She also stated that for killing 3 people while being 5 times over the legal limit got him 7 years...ONLY 7 YEARS...in Huntsville (Texas' state prison just north of Houston). Another story. I recently had a temporary bar job. The first day there was a story going that the bar owner told us that needs to be taken to heart. One of the regulars to the bar left one night and was in a car wreck. I do not know the damage of what happened but he was in the hospital for 1.5 weeks. Legally it was the bars job to take his keys away. After that night I have seen several times where the bartenders do take the keys away until the customer is sober. The moral of these true stories is I do not care if you drink...but give up your keys if you drove. Be responsible, be an adult. If you drink you take on these responsibilities automatically. Robert Wideman PS-Please pass this on. what the HELL is this doing on the List? GeZ! Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] no sound in 9.0
lewis wrote: On Saturday 01 March 2003 05:19 pm, robin wrote: lewis wrote: Hello, I have Mandrake Linux 9.0 installed on my computer. The sound doesn't work but it does on the windows side of the partition. I have an AMD Mainboard that uses SiS 740 chipset. It also has a built in AC97 Codec. I am not sure what other information you might need out of the book. I am very new to Mandrake Linux. There is so much I don't understand. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Brenda Try exiting X-window and running sndconfig (as root). Sir Robin Hi, I logged in as root and tried the sndconfig, but it says no PNP or PCI sound cards were found. It said to select my card type but I didn't know which one to pick. I did try the Intel i810 AC97 Audio but no luck. I also looked at Mandrake Control Center but the hardware list only had a floppy, disk, CDRom, and mouse. Thanks again. Brenda I'm betting that your sound card is of the onboard variety. This being the case you be need to try another card. Disable the onboard card in the BIOS and stick another sound card in. Mdk9.0 likes the Ensoniq chipset fairly well. At least a bit better then it likes the Intel i810 chipset. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Worried
Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 02 March 2003 07:01 am, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Now don't get me wrong I love linux and have been with Mandrake since v6.0 though I must say in my opinion v9.0 is not one of it's best, perhaps, sorry, definately a bit hasty with this release! Well Andrew, I have a question for you: R U a Troll? I've seen this same message a couple of times now. In fact, as is per normal for this list, it received excellantly reasoned and constructed responses. Hi Ron, I wouldn't know a dupe message if I fell over it. In fact I haven't seen one since I started using procmail filtering two years ago. Although I have been wondering about whats been going on with the lists the last few days. Any ideas...info? -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Unofficial February stats
Todd Slater wrote: Monthly stats for Mandrake-newbie Total posts processed:3027 Most active threads 86 Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned 47 Xwindows Stability 43 Lovin' KDE 3.1 38 OT?, help convince my b/f running as root is bad! 34 Update the kernel ? 34 Another one... 34 33 This fellow needs help. His mails are being rejected. 33 NFS after MDK9 reinstall/update 33 Fun discussion question for the list Most active posters 200 Robert Wideman 158 Anne Wilson 135 et 123 Greg Meyer 104 Stephen Kuhn 100 FemmeFatale 78 Derek Jennings 77 civileme 77 Tom Brinkman 72 Ronald J. Hall heh! Stephen!! you're still in the top five. :) -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Unofficial February stats
Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 01 Mar 2003 3:34 pm, Todd Slater wrote: Most active posters 200 Robert Wideman 158 Anne Wilson Shucks - I'm still talking too much. I thought I'd been quieter lately. Anne look at the bright side Anne. At least you're not still fighting with Java and Mozy. :P -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] unkillable process?
Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: On Sun 2003-02-16 at 14:46:03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: [...] Correct. If it does not, there is nothing a mere user (or admin) can do about it. I know it's late in the thread but I thought I'd mention that when I get a process that I can't kill from top or using ps then I've always had success doing it from webmin. haven't had one yet that couldn't be killed from webmin. Sorry to say so, but that makes no sense. webmin has not access to anything that kill or top hasn't. You made me curious enough that I installed webmin and had a look at the source and it uses the usual kill() system call as do the CLI kill and top. Really, if you observed this behaviour, I wonder why. You did use signal 9 (aka SIGKILL) when trying with kill/top, didn't you? Benjamin. Ben, Can't explain it and you're right when you say it doesn't have any access that isn't the same as ps or top, but as I said, I've not had a process yet that it couldn't get rid of when the others have failed. thats the simple fact of the experience. As for what signal was used...pretty much any and all. the fact that they wouldn't die was part of what led me to try webmin. I wasn't physically at the machine and ssh was a bit dodgey that day, so I connected to webmin and viola! no more nasty-refusing-to-die process. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
robin wrote: Or more specifically, you build a package and upload it to the contribs folder that actually works and everyone else can use. for me, prolly a long way off. I'm still in the break it and fix it area. Funnily enough I came within a whisker of doing that with lyx-qt-1.3, but someone beat me to it while I was still messing around with the spec file. It was fun learning how to make an RPM, though - not nearly as hard as I'd imagined it would be. Sir Robin True, but those spec files can make you go blind if you stay at it too long without allowing proper blood flow to the brain now and then. ;) -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 14 February 2003 04:42 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: Oh come one. I like 12 hour shifts. They are easier than 16 hour shifts. HEHE Rob You know, I used to work this weekend shift thing - where I pulled 2 sixteen hour shifts, Sat and Sun, then was off 5 days a week. They gave me 8 hrs for doing it , to make my 40 hrs a week. I loved being off 5 days in a row. Just hated working -every- weekend... That'd be kinda tough at first, but after a while I think I'd love being off for 5 days in a row myself. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
mycal62 wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? All this humility is very nice. ;-) that aside, it's interesting how the responses have been. with anything and especially with opinion it's really a matter of perspective, and It becomes a relative thing as well. When I first tried Linux RH 5.2 ( I think ) I would say I was an absolute Newbie. Now after several years can I say I am an Expert? Most definitely NOT, but I don't feel I am a true Newbie either. In all seriousness the difference between a newbie, at least on this list, and a _true_ expert is relative to the comparison between most of us here on the list and Civileme. Civileme = expert everyone else(self included) = newbie As always, the = operator flows to the left. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
et wrote: On Friday 14 February 2003 09:31 pm, mycal62 wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? All this humility is very nice. ;-) that aside, it's interesting how the responses have been. with anything and especially with opinion it's really a matter of perspective, and It becomes a relative thing as well. When I first tried Linux RH 5.2 ( I think ) I would say I was an absolute Newbie. Now after several years can I say I am an Expert? Most definitely NOT, but I don't feel I am a true Newbie either. I would call myself a User in perpetual training ( I really don't think I'll ever be an expert though because that would take more brains than I have left. ) But then , That's purely from MY perspective, massive grin I Like a saying of Confucius : to know that what you know is what you know, is not knowledge, But to know that what you do not know is what you do not know That is the beginning of understanding somethng like that. I often say the one thing I learned about computers in 1992 that I still use, and is still true, is that what ever you buy today will be obosolete in 3 years, and the same goes with software, (actully I have one program that was written for win95 and I bought in 1995, that I still use almost every day, and that is winfax for win 95, since I have kept my hourly billing on it as a faxed document since 1995 but the OS it ran on is no longer avail, good thing it still runs using other M$products) and I still use pine when I ssh into a shell account, and it has been around (without much change that I can see) Et, Pine does gorgeous threading now-a-days. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
et wrote: On Friday 14 February 2003 08:17 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: If you're lucky, you never stop being a newbie. No joke. I am personally going to be taking a newbie learning course (not a course, just a self taught action) in Apache/Perl/Python/SQL programming here soon. So i totally understand that statement. Rob sounds like looking for fun in all the right places yeah, but how can you show-horn Python in the same phrase with Apache/PERL and SQL? is that legal? -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] unkillable process?
Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: On Wed 2003-02-12 at 14:22:41 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] what i'm doing: ps ax | grep process su (passwd) kill -s signal pid using all kinds of signals starting with sigterm, sigkill, Those two is all you need. kill -s TERM will ask the process to terminate (the process may refuse), kill -s KILL forcefully tries to kill the process (. If it doesn't terminate after a KILL signal, there is no way to do it. Usually it means that your kernel got a hickup which shouldn't normally happen. There are cases where the kernel cannot remove a process due to its internal state[1], but I only encountered these with either broken kernels (i.e. an update fixed it) or with broken hardware. signals like sigrtmin+2 even were [and man kill does not say]) man 7 signal (that's mentioned in man kill) not wanting to get mucking around too much with something i didn't fully understand i didn't use them ALL but it seems like sigkill should kill just about anything :-/ Correct. If it does not, there is nothing a mere user (or admin) can do about it. I know it's late in the thread but I thought I'd mention that when I get a process that I can't kill from top or using ps then I've always had success doing it from webmin. haven't had one yet that couldn't be killed from webmin. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Possibly dumb USB question
Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles A Edwards Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 11:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Possibly dumb USB question On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:59:30 -0800 Myers, Dennis R NWO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Myers, Dennis R NWO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Possibly dumb USB question Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:59:30 -0800 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) HTML.. Dennis I am ashamed of you. Give yourself 30 lashes and no sex tonight (with anything) (-; Charles Ya know, if I could I would delete all MS from this computer. Only trouble is then I would get fired and thrown in jail to boot. Seems like at odd times and for unknown reasons Outlook decides to switch over to html by itself. I have turned it off and next thing it's back in there. And Billy calls linux a virus. Ha. Hopefully it is off again. Funny when I check format it says plain text. So let me know if it was me or the one I answered that had the html. grumblemumblegrumblesniff. Dennis M. Dennis, If your network admins are employing the use of Novell and Zenworks then it's likely your workstation is being imaged and when you start it up at the beginning of the day your hard drive is, for all intents and purposes being reimaged as it's starting up. Which could be a good explanation for why Outlook seemingly won't relent in it's HTML mail setting. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake Off Topic list
Hi all, Given the amount of traffic and passion related over the last few days concerning things totally off topic where Mandrake Linux is concerned has led me to a place where I'm willing to try an experiment of sorts. I've created a mailing list for anyone here on the newbie and expert lists where they can freely talk about all the off topic stuff they have a need for. The link to sign up is below. http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot If you wish to subscibe by sending a message to the list software you can use the email address below. [EMAIL PROTECTED] The format for the command is as follows, while the subject header is meaningless to the list software. In the body of the message place this information as you see it: subscribe your.password plain [EMAIL PROTECTED] your.password = a password of your choice your.email.addy = your email address. Example subscribe command: subscribe password plain [EMAIL PROTECTED] All are welcome. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing Java...
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Monday February 10 2003 09:33 am, Mark wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Tom Brinkman wrote: Or simply 'rpm -Uvh j2re-1.4.1_01-5mdk.i586.rpm' does it all. ^^^ HI Tom, that method has never worked for me. I don't think that package likes me much. which is why I just started unpacking the contents into /usr/java, and then making symlinks from /usr/java/bin to /usr/bin. - -- Mark Yes, I believe Anne and a few others had the same comments. I dunno why, it's Sun's java packaged by Mandrake to put all the files in the right places for any Mandrake system to find and use them. I can only conjecture that some of y'all have mucked around in your systems and they are no longer Mandrake compliant. Tom! I'm shocked! Me? muck around in my system? why I'd never think of doing such a thing. ;) -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Vi vs Emacs... Not a flamewar!!! Any flames will beignored
civileme wrote: On Thursday 06 February 2003 06:46 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: Anders Lind wrote: OK I just read some stuff about VI Emacs. Now I'm not one for super complex editors of text. Having said that I realize it behooves me (Correct context for behooves? sp!?) to learn one or the other so I can edit files on any system. I realized a while back those 2 editors are standard to Any *nix environment. OK... so whats the real diff between those 2 editors which one is more newb friendly? If neither is newbie friendly, well name something that is and is more or less standard on most *nix's. For the moment I'm leaning Femme, Whether you're hackin code or just editing a file somewhere on the file system VI is the cat's meow. no question, and anyone how says different is just outa his/her tree. :) hmmm Well everyone has to test his wings eventually :-) I can hack code with either, but stub functions and compilation/debugging has to be easier to do from emacs... Of course some IDEs offer as much but usually for one language. I never know whether I will be using Python, C++, ada, pike, expect, tcl/tk, shell, lisp, or xbasic til I get into the problem, though these days Python is awfully attractive for anything but something requiring speed or scripts for eggdrop bots. With xbasic, I will use their IDE, cause it is like glade, coding functions to handle their widgets (which they call grids). And by now I am more comfortable with the arcane series of keystrokes for emacs, so that is what I use. When I go into unknown environments, I take an editor with me that will compile on almost anythinjg I don't already have a binary for and which offers multiple keybindings but a whole lot less p[ower than either emacs or vi. But really I have always felt trapped in these discussions. I don't believe there is really enough common ground to compare them. emacs is easier to get started with thanks to the tutorial built in, and vi is easier to master. emacs is at the same time a desktop, a shell, a scripting host, and a basically crash-proof word processor (Yep I was around when computers worked with 64K memory and MINCE+SCRIBBLE / Final Word II/Borland's SPRINT was a going enterprise and crashes were frequent, and that bound me closer to emacs, cause I always forgot to save on WordStar). Besides, I have an affection for wheat on dark slate gray that always looks green to me... :-) Civileme Man! I wanna be like you when I grow up!! exactly how long has it taken you to learn all those languages? I'm seriously awed by that list. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Vi vs Emacs... Not a flamewar!!! Any flames will beignored
Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: On Tue 2003-02-04 at 21:21:06 -0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [... cool overview about available editors ...] If I am on a desktop and I need a quick edit, I usually grab for kedit, but any heavy work is emacs unless it is a sudoers file in which case a special variant of vi called visudo is absolutely the only way to do it without adding a session of hair-pulling getting things to work as you planned afterward. Well, just a clarification: visudo is not an editor, but only the Right Way to call an editor for the /etc/sudoers file. visudo will call anything you put in your EDITOR environment variable. So it will gladly use emacs, if you want it to (I assume, you know that civilme, but it was ambigous, IMHO). Now my personal opinion about editor choice: learn the most basic vi keystrokes - one day you will be glad to know how to edit a line and save it using vi, believe me. Although both emacs and vi (and variants) are very commonplace on UNIX, if only one editor is installed (e.g. on a minimal server), it will be vi. Aside from that, I prefer emacs for almost everything (startup speed and size are not really an argument with even yesterday's hardware). And it can do anything you want (news mail reading, shells, remote editing, file browsing, being a full IDE, some games, web browsing with(!) images... you name it). But both, emacs and vi, will take some time to learn. And setting them up to do everything the way you prefer will take some time and involves config files in a way or another. This only pays of, if you need to use them regularly (I do). If you want something with a short learning curve, nedit, kedit and friends are more suitable, but will show their limits somewhen. Bye, Benjamin. Ok, but how do you turn on number lines insise Emacs. If I've coding in Java and the compiler tells me I've got an OutOfBoundsException on line 4893 I don't want to have to count 1,2,3... from the top if the page, ya know? ;) -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] NFS after MDK9 reinstall/update
Robert Wideman wrote: to tell you the truth though, it's been my experience that going Linux to Linux, which I do 97% of the time on my home Lan, NFS is killer compared to the misery Linux-Linux samba brings. IMHO samba only exists to allow winders machines to connect to and share files with a Linux machine. I agree. Also isnt NFS more secure? I mean can be more secure if properly setup. Rob Yes, it can be secure enough, if properly setup, but at the same time it's really never more secure then samba if there even can be such a thing as secure where these two are concerned. You actually have more control with samba as far as I've seen, so in the very loosest of terms, Samba is somewhat more secure then NFS. As long as you have your clients clearly defined as being the only ones that are allowed to access the NFS shares then you should be just fine. If you really want to be as sure as you can about access then set things up on the NFS server so that the machine has two NICs in it. eth0 being your outside interface (internet) and eth1 being the local interface (LAN), and only allow NFS access (port 2049) across the LAN (eth1). -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RE: ACCOUNT REMOVAL
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 02 Feb 2003 3:24 am, Adolfo Bello wrote: On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 22:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity. What ads? Perhaps he means addresses and instructions for subscribing/unsubscribing. They are not as accessible as they might be. I know I've got them written down somewhere, but I'll have to dig to find them. Anne Are you asking how to get unsub'd from the list? -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] NFS after MDK9 reinstall/update
Robert Wideman wrote: thats ok... but it sounds like you've been brain-washed into thinking graphical interfaces are a bad thing. they're real handy to have around when you've got a ton of other things to do and you just need to get something config'ed quickly so's you can get that assignment finished before it's time to leave for class or something. ;) I dont think they are bad, just some ways i like to do via CLIits just me i guess. Yes i like GUI myself. Rob I know what you mean. I have a friend that started in Linux from windows and when I found the CLI he just went nuts. He even installed one machine that has NO X at all. Purely terminal everything. :) -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Javascript and browsers -NS7
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 02 Feb 2003 12:17 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 30 Jan 2003 8:31 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: Anne, Actually you don't have to do that at all. Start Netscape with the -ProfileManager argument and create just the profile for Netscape. That should take care of Netscape. As for Mozilla, since the two are sharing a home dir, (.mozilla) then I'd 86 the preferences.js file and allow Mozilla to create a new copy of that file. It's very likely that Netscape and Mozilla have been fighting over this file and probably been trashin the place. I've tried to set this up and run into problems. If I navigate to /usr/local/netscape (as root) and click on netscape I get the profile manager, from which I can select the new profile, and all is well. From the menu (as user) I get the mozilla profile. The menu editor says that it is calling /usr/netscape/netscape. Any idea what's going wrong? Anne I've got a bit further with this. If I start the program by navigating to /usr/local/netscape/netscape as root I get the correct profile. If I do exactly the same as user I don't. I've made absolutely sure there is no other difference. the .netscape and .netscape6 files only seem to have plugins, but there must be profile and preference files somewhere. Does anyone know where they're going? Anne Hi Anne, At this point I think I'd pick either Netscape or Mozilla, and uninstall the other. When thats done setup the program and user profile. Then after that being done get the plugins installed and everything running. At this point it should be ok to install the other browser if you really need to. I suspect Mozilla will be the easier of the two to deal with and should be a good bit more behaved when you attempt to start the ProfileManager to set things up for Mozy. The two of them do indeed run on the same browser engine, but they don't seem to want to play nice together. I've experienced this on both winders and Linux. Speakin of Winders...I blew up my XP installation last night. I prolly oughta git to work on it. I still have tax returns to prepare. GOD! I love Mandrake. takes a lickin and keeps on tickin!! -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Javascript and browsers -NS7
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 02 Feb 2003 12:17 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 30 Jan 2003 8:31 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: Anne, Actually you don't have to do that at all. Start Netscape with the -ProfileManager argument and create just the profile for Netscape. That should take care of Netscape. As for Mozilla, since the two are sharing a home dir, (.mozilla) then I'd 86 the preferences.js file and allow Mozilla to create a new copy of that file. It's very likely that Netscape and Mozilla have been fighting over this file and probably been trashin the place. I've tried to set this up and run into problems. If I navigate to /usr/local/netscape (as root) and click on netscape I get the profile manager, from which I can select the new profile, and all is well. From the menu (as user) I get the mozilla profile. The menu editor says that it is calling /usr/netscape/netscape. Any idea what's going wrong? Anne I've got a bit further with this. If I start the program by navigating to /usr/local/netscape/netscape as root I get the correct profile. If I do exactly the same as user I don't. I've made absolutely sure there is no other difference. the .netscape and .netscape6 files only seem to have plugins, but there must be profile and preference files somewhere. Does anyone know where they're going? Anne Hi Anne, At this point I think I'd pick either Netscape or Mozilla, and uninstall the other. When thats done setup the program and user profile. Then after that being done get the plugins installed and everything running. At this point it should be ok to install the other browser if you really need to. I suspect Mozilla will be the easier of the two to deal with and should be a good bit more behaved when you attempt to start the ProfileManager to set things up for Mozy. The two of them do indeed run on the same browser engine, but they don't seem to want to play nice together. I've experienced this on both winders and Linux. Speakin of Winders...I blew up my XP installation last night. I prolly oughta git to work on it. I still have tax returns to prepare. GOD! I love Mandrake. takes a lickin and keeps on tickin!! -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT-ish] XP vs. Mandrake [was Re: [newbie] Javascript and browsers-NS7]
robin wrote: Mark Weaver wrote: The two of them do indeed run on the same browser engine, but they don't seem to want to play nice together. I've experienced this on both winders and Linux. Speakin of Winders...I blew up my XP installation last night. I prolly oughta git to work on it. I still have tax returns to prepare. GOD! I love Mandrake. takes a lickin and keeps on tickin!! And the beauty of it is - 1) If you've not done something like irreparably destroying your partition table (and even that takes some doing) or reformatting your hard disk, a couple of hours messing around and asking questions on lists like this will get it back to normal. 2) If you can't do that, or can't be bothered to do it, assuming you've backed up /home (and who wouldn't), you can get everything back to normal within an hour with Mandrake's wonderful installation proggie. There have been a couple of occasions when I've done that out of sheer laziness - compared to reformatting my hard disk, installing Windows 98, installing drivers not included in Win98, installing MS Office etc, re-installing Mdk is about as stressful as sitting in a candle-lit jacuzzi. BTW - isn't there any good Linux software for doing tax returns? If not, someone should write it - an easy-to-use tax return program could be that killer-app we've been waiting for! Sir Robin Hi Robin, As far as I know there still arn't any real apps for doing tax returns on Linux. I, like SO many others are still waiting. For the life of me I can't understand why HR Block hasn't ported their Tax Cut to Linux yet. As a side note I remembered there was a cool thing included in XP that allows one to boot the system from the last successful time it booted. This I did and immediately performed a roll-back on the little bugger. Phew! Now I can do my taxes. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] NFS after MDK9 reinstall/update
Robert Wideman wrote: Ok, I have been fighting NFS for the last hour and it is pissing me off. I basically just reinstalled MDK b/c of my newbie experience with PLF and library issues. I have just installed and updated MDK9 and that is all. I edited /etc/exports and restarted nfs server and this is what i am getting. The only items i see on 50 million sites on google are like a few years old and noone has an issue posted up. Any thoughts? Rob # mount -t nfs 192.168.1.101:/home/rwideman /mnt/disk mount: 192.168.1.101:/home/rwideman failed, reason given by server: Permission denied # more /etc/exports #/home/rwideman 192.168.1(rw) /home/rwideman 192.168.1.*(ro) # cat /var/log/messages Feb 2 02:45:39 rwideman2 rpc.mountd: refused mount request from rwideman2 for /home/rwideman (/): no export entry Good God man! you're doing it the hard way! 1) on the server running NFS ( exporting the filesystems ) start Linux conf-Networking- server task tab 2) Export file systems (NFS) 3) click on the add button to add a filesystem to export. a) fill in the blanks i.e. 1. Path to export |/mnt/arc | 2. Comment (opt) | Archive 1 | 3. Client name(s) | 192.168.0.252 | 4. |x| may write 5. | | root privileges 6. |x| Request access from secure port 4) click on the Accept button and exit from Linuxconf, or define more shares if you wish. 5) after exiting from Linuxconf open a terminal window on the NFS server as root and issue this command to start the service: service nfs start And thats all there is to it. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] against the war!
Frank Mertens wrote: The United States are about to start a war without of consideration for international law. If you want to speak against it, the UN are collecting signatures to work against this tragically event. Please do copy this e-mail to a new mail, sign it at the end of the attached list and send it to all the people you know. If you've received a list with more than 500 signatures, please send another copy to the United Nations mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Even if you decide not to sign, please forward this petition! In all seriousness your time and energy would be far better spent sending these sigs to the US congress and senate and communicating your feelings to them rather then sending them to a body that has no balls. Let Washington know and hear how you feel. you've a much better chance at least getting heard. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] against the war!
Lanman wrote: Mark; Could you take a moment to define your use of the word Balls? I'm hoping that your intended use of the word was in reference to the fact that this list is not a political group, and therefore is probably unable to effect a change in the foreign policies of the United States where war is the outcome, rather than implying that this group or members thereof have no will or courage of their own? A clarification would probably go a long way to minimizing the list of replies that your post would otherwise generate! Lanman Hi Lanman, Actually just after hitting the send button, (it was rather early in the morning and had just gotten my first cup of coffee for the morning) I realized that I could have worded it differently. What I really meant to say is that as far as the UN is concerned they and the current US administration aren't exactly on the best of terms at the moment. So, anything coming directly from the UN isn't going to carry anywhere near the amount of passion and volume was it would coming from people both in and outside the US. Which is why I suggested they make their case directly instead of going through a third party that isn't likely to be heard. In that manner the UN is effectively without balls as in Eunch. nuetered...know what I mean? Not that they have no valid authority or anything, because they are comprised of member nations from all over the globe and as such carry the weight and opinion of those nations represented. Only that, as I said, the current administration, whether right or wrong, isn't likely going to give much weight to statements and mandates coming from the UN. It would appear that their mind is set, (US administration) and they've decided which direction they're going to go. I would to God that it were no so. I really believe there is a better way of dealing with Iraq and I also personally believe it should be strong, thorough, permanant, decisive, and most of all multi-national through the UN. Anything else will only enflame the situation and make America's standing in the global community that much more tenuous. Sorry for the confusion. :) I'll try to refrain from responding to matter of weight until I've at least *finished* my first cup of coffee. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] against the war!
Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 07:14, Mark Weaver wrote: In all seriousness your time and energy would be far better spent sending these sigs to the US congress and senate and communicating your feelings to them rather then sending them to a body that has no balls. Let Washington know and hear how you feel. you've a much better chance at least getting heard. Mark You think the US legislative branch has balls? Maybe one or two members. Most are corporate whores. Todd When it suits them, yes... please see my reponse to Lanman. I sort of mispoke myself. it was rather early in the morning and blood-level in my coffee stream was way out of balance. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] against the war!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lanman, I interpreted his disparagement to apply to the UN rather than to us. Still, clarity is a good thing when insulting randomly and in a public forum (or amy discourse in any forum, for that matter). Sorry for any confusion...My intent wasn't to disparage anyone. Not the UN and not the US, nor any other caring, viable world power. And please...by vialble worold power I mean any nation with a heart beat. just wanna make sure I don't leave the door open to mis-interpretation. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] against the war!
Dick Mazierski wrote: Frank Mertens wrote: The United States are about to start a war without of consideration for international law. If you want to speak against it, the UN are collecting signatures to work against this tragically event. Please do copy this e-mail to a new mail, sign it at the end of the attached list and send it to all the people you know. If you've received a list with more than 500 signatures, please send another copy to the United Nations mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Even if you decide not to sign, please forward this petition! What does this have to do with Newbie - linux-mandrake? If anything was ever off topic - this beats them all nothing, but trimming is nice. :) -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Off Topic list
Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 01:27:15PM -0500, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi all, Given the amount of traffic and passion related over the last few days concerning things totally off topic where Mandrake Linux is concerned has led me to a place where I'm willing to try an experiment of sorts. I've created a mailing list for anyone here on the newbie and expert lists where they can freely talk about all the off topic stuff they have a need for. The link to sign up is below. http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot X Good idea, thanks for offering that. I see you're using Mailman. I have a script that will generate list statistics on a monthly basis: Attempted posts, successful posts, Total bytes, Top 10 posters, Top 10 threads. I also run posts through stripmime, cause HTML really messes up the archives. If you're into stats, I can send you that script. Todd Hi Todd, that script sounds great! thanks. Send away. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake Off Topic list
Hi all, Given the amount of traffic and passion related over the last few days concerning things totally off topic where Mandrake Linux is concerned has led me to a place where I'm willing to try an experiment of sorts. I've created a mailing list for anyone here on the newbie and expert lists where they can freely talk about all the off topic stuff they have a need for. The link to sign up is below. http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot If you wish to subscibe by sending a message to the list software you can use the email address below. [EMAIL PROTECTED] The format for the command is as follows, while the subject header is meaningless to the list software. In the body of the message place this information as you see it: subscribe your.password plain [EMAIL PROTECTED] your.password = a password of your choice your.email.addy = your email address. Example subscribe command: subscribe password plain [EMAIL PROTECTED] All are welcome. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dell Optiplex
Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Tuesday 28 January 2003 06:55 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: snip Fascinating. I'm glad to hear that they are giving consumers a choice. Although I'm disappointed to hear that they expect to give winblows preinstalled. My comment is that I would like to know what their partitioning scheme is on the system that you get, before it is wiped forevermore. Also, it does sound like a good plan, cause they will have to get all devices working before it is shipped out to you. It might be a good idea to review what modules are loaded with an lsmod b4 you wipe all the partitions. That way, if you've got something exotic, you've got a heads up on it before you go into the Mandrake installation. Not saying that LM won't autodetect everything. But the info may come in handy. LX /snip Thanks, Lyvim and Tony. The story goes on : 5 minutes ago I had a telephone conversation with a Dell Denmark representative. He wasn't sure what linux-distro they offered, only he gave a guarantee, that an Optiplex SX260 would run linux. After some additional pressure I managed to get a bargain : Dell Denmark will deliver an Optiplex with only a rudimentary DOS in it. He claimed that it would be necessary in order to get the hard disk running (???) and maybe for legal reasons. The price cutoff would be around 70-80 euros relative to a box with WindowsXP. Sounds good, eh ? Kaj Haulrich indeed! that is a sa-WEET deal. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Packaging systems [was: ANNOUCEMENT: KDE 3.1 IS OUT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 28 January 2003 08:23 am, Anders Lind scribbled nervously: On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:13:08 -0500 (EST) Anthony Abby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There aren't any Mandrake rpms yet anyway are there? I know that RPM's are much simpler to use, but my opinion is that compiling is better then using RPM's. Speaking of packagaingsystems, after installing FreeBSD on our server here at work I can't even begin to say how impressed I am by its ports-system...it is awsome do tell? I can't stand the suspense. descibe this new beast to me! - -- Mark - -- Powered By Mandrake Liinux 9.0 || Toshiba Portege ICQ# 27816299 - -- Saying Open Source DRM is the same as saying Military Intelligence. Repeating it makes my brain hurt! author Unknown... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+NpKQlz3cA934DmQRAtI5AJ9sv1d4mJanzeV0MCI8canNmHm4ZwCfX5yp 5aD1wjWoyrbL0ajbqX+6Df4= =/Fnr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] question about Kmail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi List, I'm curious about something. With Kmail, is there a way to advance from on message to another with the view pane completely closed and viewing the message in a window all its own? I use this method of reading messages with Mozilla and would like to be able to do this as well in Kmail but it doesn't appear to want to cooperate. thanks, - -- Mark - -- Powered By Mandrake Liinux 9.0 || Toshiba Portege ICQ# 27816299 - -- Saying Open Source DRM is the same as saying Military Intelligence. Repeating it makes my brain hurt! author Unknown... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Np4Slz3cA934DmQRAjBlAJ49NxYQod+f7nZ6pVLwTBbLpovoVwCfSMMn XBLezbCUjDhJMrAs/cfqP/g= =3rtb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Packaging systems [was: ANNOUCEMENT: KDE 3.1 IS OUT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 28 January 2003 09:40 am, Anders Lind scribbled nervously: On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:24:15 -0500 Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do tell? I can't stand the suspense. descibe this new beast to me! Actually it is not really new, just new to me ;o) Anyway...under /usr there is a directory called ports and in that you have a load of different directories called irc, www and so on, you get the picture. Under there you have different software, if you go into those directories and type make install the system will download, satisfy potential dependicies, compile and install the program for you. I find it very handy and great. I have always found apt-get to be perhaps not the ultimate package system (Hence dselect in the installation program) but this beats it by far. Cheers Anders I have GOT to see this... and you said it was FreeBSD, correct? - -- Mark - -- Powered By Mandrake Liinux 9.0 || Toshiba Portege ICQ# 27816299 - -- Saying Open Source DRM is the same as saying Military Intelligence. Repeating it makes my brain hurt! author Unknown... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Np9clz3cA934DmQRAjaPAJ9HydMm8eKan/+0GIv1SAHoTTaMmQCgmcko hD9LbQl+LTbpTmhCtkyb4h8= =Hi2p -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT-Homeland Security dumps winblows
Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Tuesday 28 January 2003 03:29 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Check this out: http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/01/27/1831240.shtml?tid=2 - by Tina Gasperson - The United States Department of Homeland Security (www.dhs.gov) changed its servers over to Oracle on Linux last week, after running on Windows 2000 for several months. Experts say that it is unlikely the change is a reaction to Slammer, the MS SQL server worm that rocked the Internet last week. Netcraft shows the change took place on January 24th and 25th. The site had previously run off the U.S. Office of Personnel Management servers, but now is listed with Energis Squared, the same group that hosts the White House website LX LX: Ah, but wait. There's more. A story broke this morning about Microsoft's own servers being slammed by Slammer over the weekend. Why, you ask? Well, it seems that they hadn't been patched, although the patches have been available to the public since last summer. Oh, the delicious irony of it! Not only does the Emporer not have any clothes on, but closer inspection indicates that he's somewhat deficient in the anatomical department, too. http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-982305.html -- cmg This is just WAY too sweet! I Love it!! -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice setup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris wrote: | When installing Star Office 6.0 what is the preferred method, Workstation or | Local install? I remember this thread from quite aways back and searched the | archives but can't find the msg I'm looking for that explained the | difference. I think the correct way was to start the install as root, select | workstation which will allow users other than root to access SO. Could | someone enlighten me again. | | | | | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi Chris, The best way to install StarOffice is when issuing the install command from the commandline to use the /net argument. That makes the program accessible to all users on the system. That way, when you start the program for the first time as a user you can do the workstation install and the program copies only a few files to the user's home directory. ./setup /net - -- Mark - --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+MxWaJuZ1geTzHgERAtAUAJ9jJsb8LKRRnfK4XVxxIa+F5AqKJgCfcraT 22Y7PN1u2Wk5G/+NBtDFKBM= =9MnU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] re: java
Raffaele Belardi wrote: To check the path(s), type $ env | grep PATH or $ echo $PATH I don't think java.rpm sets up the path to the executables. You can do it by hand adding it to your .bashrc. Or, you can create a /etc/profile.d/local.sh as root, and put those settings there, so they will be loaded by all the users when they login. For example, here's my /etc/profile.d/local.sh (but for .bashrc it would be the same): - # Configuration variables added by me # variables for Forte Java Developement environment export JDK_HOME=/usr/local/j2sdk1.4.0/ PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/j2sdk1.4.0/bin # variable for Mozilla 1.0 export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/mozilla - The ony advantage I see of having a ~/bin is that its content will not be deleted (provided /home is in its own partition) when you upgrade the distribution. But be warned that normally rpm packages will install in a system directory (i.e. /usr/local or the like) and it will not be easy to convince them to use ~/bin instead. I abandoned the ~/bin almost immediately. Unless, of course, you plan to develop your own stuff. In this case, a ~/bin and the proper path is the way to go. raffaele Or, you could simply place symlinks from the java executables into /usr/bin and you wouldn't have to fuss with any of the PATH stuff cause /usr/bin is already in all the $USER paths. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Toshiba Laptop installation ?
H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Wednesday 22 January 2003 21:05, Marc wrote: snip When it locks up I am unable to use the mouse and there is no hard drive activity and as of yet I have founnd no keyboard commands that work. The display stays frozen.and I am unable to do anything but a hard shutdown but then that goes back to the subject of the SysReq key. Marc Have you tried different windowmanagers? I've had laptops with lower specs running 9.0 (well it wasn't fast!) just NOT using KDE or Gnome. Give Icewm a try or windowmaker to see if that gives any relief --it should. Aside from that: turn off as many services at boot time as you can. daemons like crond an atd use up quite a bit of memory when they're at work. And there's more, a lot more depending what use you want to put the laptop to=:o) Also: boot into text first (init 3) and later into X with the command startx. That way you'll have the opportunity to finetune your system without it locking on you. With a P133 it's not going to be a mean and lean machine but with 80M it should be useable. Hang in there we'll get you going:o) Good Luck, HarM Ben, You may also want to take a look at Fluxbox. It's even lighter then IceWM. I'm using that Window Manager exclusively on a Toshiba Protege with only 64MB of RAM and I've got no complaints at all. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Installing Java plugin for Mozilla
Hi there, I wish I had a dollar, (accounting for the current rate of inflation), for every time I've seen this need addressed in these lists. Doesn't anyone read the archives any more? ;) with this thought in mind I've saved this message as a template on my system and will send it to the list probably once a week so in case anyone misses the post it will show up again and again and again on the list for those poor souls that missed it the previous time it was posted. Almost as many times as the question, where can I get the Java plugins for Mozilla/Netscape...etc... anyway...if you're needing the java plugin for Netscape, or Mozilla go follow the link below and you'll be able to download and install the java plugin. And by the way...this does not require the download and install of Sun's JDK or JRE packages. This is a seperate browser plugin. IMPORTANT NOTE: you Must be root user when you do this or the plugin will NOT install. http://cgi.netscape.com/cgi-bin/pi_moreinfo.cgi?PID=10048 Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Java
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 24 Jan 2003 9:59 am, Ongkie PDS wrote: Dear Friend, I need to open a website that use java applet, where can I download the java rpm? Do you need the whole java? Which browser are you using? If it's Mozilla, go to mozilla.org and they have a link page for plugins. Netscape also have a link page. If you need more than just a java plugin for a browser, go to Sun's site for a download. Come back if you need more help. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com IMPORTANT NOTE: you Must be root user when you do this or the plugin will NOT install. http://cgi.netscape.com/cgi-bin/pi_moreinfo.cgi?PID=10048 -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Trojan alert
Trevor Rhodes wrote: Mark, From the way his log file read it sounds as though it's already too late and he should just do a reload. What your saw of my logfile was from the DLink Router/Firewall. Not one of those attempts got past the router. This has been confirmed in several ways and from several sources. Reload? Hah, I say, HAH :^) it's good to hear nothing got through. sure does suck when that happens. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] why china likes linux
et wrote: On Monday 20 January 2003 02:56 pm, daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 15 Jan 2003 5:29 am, Robin Turner wrote: Richard Babcock wrote: Interesting article in my local paper. http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/3582809.html Looks like we got our user base! Sir Robin When I was there 18 months ago it was common to see buses with linux slogans on the side. Anne as a followup to this thread this morning when I opened my email client there was the usual message from the system with the overnight logs for review. at the top of the list was about 75 lines revealing a brute force attack that was launched against my server around 8:00 am Sunday morning. apparently, from the logs they were attempting to gain access through ipop3d by running a list of possible login usernames. they were of course quite unsuccessful. Chinanet appears to have more then their fair share of no-job-havin-script-kiddie-scumbags that have nothing better to do then behave as low-brow felons. I just wish the Chinese ISP's would respond to the emails I've been sending them letting them know their network is being used to attempt illegal access of remote computer systems! you are s damn funny...I am laffing my ass off at that idea ... not even an anagram. hmwhat-er-ya trying to say et? you don't think they can read english er somthin? -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
walt wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 13:05, daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Colin McElhatton wrote: The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able to find the information that will get them going and *their* willingness to avail themselves of that information and learn it. simply dumbing down the interface and the core processes of the system will _never_ make a better, more usable system. It only makes one weaker and far less stable. I believe windows is perfect proof of this. But it is this dumbing down that will sell linux (and this is a shame!!!) ..people do not want to do anything but turn on a computer and have everything work the first time, every time. Linux has come a long way since I first tried it 5 years ago. I do not have everything working properly yet but I know that I will because I am willing to do some research and ask questions. I have winxp on another hard drive but haven't used it for about a week or so now. (I actually thought that I couldn't live without it, LOL) that is where techs come in handy. Someone who knows how to do something and gets paid for doing it. They either make use of them, and there are a lot of people out there that can and would do such a thing for money. It's either that or just simply dust off the old brain a bit and actually learn to do something for themselves. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 20 Jan 2003 10:26 pm, walt wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 13:05, daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Colin McElhatton wrote: The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able to find the information that will get them going and *their* willingness to avail themselves of that information and learn it. simply dumbing down the interface and the core processes of the system will _never_ make a better, more usable system. It only makes one weaker and far less stable. I believe windows is perfect proof of this. But it is this dumbing down that will sell linux (and this is a shame!!!) Why? Why can't we have a default install that's as dumbed down as you like, will handle all your basic needs, and let you get on with your more urgent needs as though you were still in windows. Then you can learn more at your own speed. After all, you will have some free time now there's no longer all those 'need to reboot' messages to say nothing of crashes and re-installs. Anne Actually, there isn't anything that says we can't have that, however, someone is going to have to be willing to write such an install routine and then get a distro to incorporate it into their installation process. The caveat I can see with that is this; the user is still going to have to know some things. I.e. ISP connection information, mailservice information etc... It would still require the end user to know something. Thing is...If one is going to purchase a PC with Linux already on it the hard work is finished and the machine then, in many ways as far as the user is concerned, is no different then a windows machine in that the user must now get to know the machine and how to operate it. This is true for Windows and Linux. It's a new machine, the user is new to computers so the learning curve is a pretty much identical. 1) learn to navigate the menu system. 2) learn the basics about the filesystem as to where things are kept and how to create/delete/change files and directories On the other hand...I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a user who already has some experience using computers and can perform the most basic things as described above, to do some research, a little bit of reading if necessary, and think things through if they're going to take on the task of installing the operating system themselves. They would have to do the very same thing IF they were going to do this with a windows installation and they'd never done it before. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Trojan alert - Australian IP (connect.com.au)
Ralph Slooten wrote: On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:37:53 -0500 Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralph, have you done the leg work in tracking these connections and reported to the ISP they're coming from yet? That _should_ be the first place to begin. If your theory is correct then the sooner they know about it the better for all concerned all the way around. -- Mark Hi Mark Yeah, I know the ISP and IP and times and ports and so on... I just thought I would alert the list as I figured that the person is probably on this list. Rather they clean their system than get a nasty letter from their ISP, as I'm guessing this trojan is not intential. But to get back to the point, Stephen has just helped me out with the reports, now to see if they respond to it (ISP). Thanks Ralph lets hope that they do. the last thing any of us need is a trojan knocking at the door. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] why china likes linux
et wrote: hmwhat-er-ya trying to say et? you don't think they can read english er somthin? or they are less likely to give a $hit than my cat yeah...i guess you're right, but ya can't blame a fella for tryin. what else could I do? guess I shouldn't complain too awfully much because it does cause me to have to learn more about securing my box and it's services. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 2:07 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: walt wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 13:05, daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Colin McElhatton wrote: The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able to find the information that will get them going and *their* willingness to avail themselves of that information and learn it. simply dumbing down the interface and the core processes of the system will _never_ make a better, more usable system. It only makes one weaker and far less stable. I believe windows is perfect proof of this. But it is this dumbing down that will sell linux (and this is a shame!!!) ..people do not want to do anything but turn on a computer and have everything work the first time, every time. Linux has come a long way since I first tried it 5 years ago. I do not have everything working properly yet but I know that I will because I am willing to do some research and ask questions. I have winxp on another hard drive but haven't used it for about a week or so now. (I actually thought that I couldn't live without it, LOL) that is where techs come in handy. Someone who knows how to do something and gets paid for doing it. They either make use of them, and there are a lot of people out there that can and would do such a thing for money. It's either that or just simply dust off the old brain a bit and actually learn to do something for themselves. But as I said almost a year ago, it's not as easy to find a linux tech as a windows one. Anne :) I'm not overly expensive! At present when I'm not doing dad things and I'm not over burdened with home work for school I charge $25 an hour for custom programming and Website design and maintainence. It helps keep me in goodies for my ever growing population of Penguins and their trappings. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Trojan alert - Australian IP (connect.com.au)
Ralph Slooten wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 01:10:19 +1100 Trevor Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is a third of my logfile. Is this not normal for you folks? Why do so many people get so worried when something shows up. Why? well just read what I added to almost all your submitted port attacks. Sorry to say this, but this is ignorance. You are being probed from all sides my trojans, and you don't realise it. It did, it does and it always will while ever the Script Kiddies that Stephen loves so much are around. Therse aren't scrip-kiddies, but documented trojans, probably most are from Windows, but like the one I had... Redhat Linux. It's not normal for people to try ftp into you, or fetch mail from your server... but look at the list of trojans... there are many for those 2 ports. From my DI-704P Ethernet Broadband Routers Log: port 137 = (UDP) - Bugbear, Msinit, Opaserv, Qaz port 1433 = Voyager Alpha Force port 1524 = Trinoo port 21 = ADM worm, Back Construction, Blade Runner, BlueFire, Bmail, Cattivik FTP Server, CC Invader, Dark FTP, Doly Trojan, FreddyK, Invisible FTP, KWM, MscanWorm, NerTe, NokNok, Pinochet, Ramen, Reverse Trojan, RTB 666, The Flu, WinCrash, Voyager Alpha Force port 22 = InCommand, Shaft, Skun port 25 = Antigen, Barok, BSE, Email Password Sender , Gip, Laocoon, Magic Horse, MBT , Moscow Email trojan, Nimda, Shtirlitz, Stukach, Tapiras, WinPC port 3128 = Reverse WWW Tunnel Backdoor , RingZero port 3389 = nothing I can find port 443 = Slapper port 445 = Nimda port 515 = MscanWorm, Ramen port 6346 = nothing I can find, I believe it's the giFT port Just thought I would let you know ;-) Let's just hope you have the non-logged ports closed ;-) Greetings Ralph Hey Ralph, From the way his log file read it sounds as though it's already too late and he should just do a reload. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 6:31 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: But as I said almost a year ago, it's not as easy to find a linux tech as a windows one. Anne :) I'm not overly expensive! At present when I'm not doing dad things and I'm not over burdened with home work for school I charge $25 an hour for custom programming and Website design and maintainence. It helps keep me in goodies for my ever growing population of Penguins and their trappings. That sounds pretty reasonable to me ;) But I think your expenses bill might be too big if I asked you to pop round to sort out my usb - Yorkshire's a long way away g Anne I dunno...I've always seen USB as one of those things that either worked or it didn't. and if it didn't it was likely due to bad hardware. what-cha usin USB for? -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] postfix problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 15 January 2003 11:22 pm, - netmaniac - scribbled nervously: GAH!!! STINKING HTML FORMATTED EMAIL!!! IT SHOULD BE BANNED AND THE PERVAYER PUBLICALLY CAINED htmldiv style='background-color:'DIVI've two mail servers on my network: a w2kserver and a linux one. The w2k box is the PDC which is connected to the internet and the mail server is working fine. But, when I try to send any e-mail to the linux box (postfix) I can't read them. I mean, I don't know where they went to. There's nothing in the spool folders, but the w2kserver says that the message was delivered. /DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVBy the way, if someone has any good documentation about postfix I would like to know the url./DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVPeace!/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVnetmaniac/DIV/divbr clear=allhrMSN Messenger: converse com os seus amigos online. a href=http://g.msn.com/8HMABR/2023;Instale grátis. Clique aqui./a /html - -- Mark - -- Powered By Mandrake Liinux 9.0 || Toshiba Portege ICQ# 27816299 - -- Saying Open Source DRM is the same as saying Military Intelligence. Repeating it makes my brain hurt! author Unknown... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+LcATlz3cA934DmQRAv8BAJ0bt6MDUhMt7Z4o/14hWLH0R0yItQCfZ/a0 VBpPZ6jgbSpxfayt/d8xDj4= =wAXW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.1 beta2
Jure Repinc wrote: Walt wrote: got this from the expert list beta 2 is out on the french mirrors it is 2 cd's Great. I was unable to bring up the network (3Com 3C905B NIC) in beta 1. I hope they fixed this in beta 2. It wasn't broke in beta1. The networking worked just fine for me. In fact, the networking in beta1 was better then in Mdk9.0. NFS in 9.0 has a terrible time umounting from shares while beta1 beta2 are absolutely flawless. could it be that your NIC is a might flaky? -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Trojan alert - Australian IP (connect.com.au)
Ralph Slooten wrote: Hiya all again, My webserver is running portsentry, and has, on a daily basis been blocking and banning all connection attemps from an Australian IP, running on the connect.com.au network. -= Reason for the block =- Port-scanning on port 635 -= What is relevance is Port 635 =- Name: ADM worm Aliases: ADM Inet w0rm, Linux.ADM.Worm, Ports: 21, 23, 37, 53, 70, 79, 109, 110, 111, 113, 143, 513, 514, 635, 31337 Files: Admw0rm-v1.tar.gz - 7,427 bytes Admw0rm.tgz - Admw0rm - 1,725 bytes Gimmeip - 545 bytes Gimmerand.c - 314 bytes Incremental - 765 bytes Named_admv2.c - 5,892 bytes Remotecmd.c - 4,098 bytes Scanconnect.c - 1,483 bytes Startup - 670 bytes Testvuln.c - 4,299 bytes Created: May 1998 Requires: Actions: Worm / Rootkit / Backdoor Registers: Notes: Works on Unix (Linux). Affects Linux RedHat 4.0 to 5.2 I'm presuming this is a dial-up system, as there aren't too many Linux systems running those old versions of Redhat, but it maybe someone's server or something. My guess is that it's someone on this list trying to access my webserver http://axljab.homelinux.org:8080/ on a daily basis, as it's some coincedence that I get 1 block every day from the same network. IP: Well, there is no real point in publicising the IP, as every day it's different (hence the dial-up theory), but in total about 75% of all my blocks / bans come from the connect.com.au network. It doesn't bother me, but it may be bothering you as I'm sure my server won't be the only one blocking/banning all connections from you, so the better option is to find and get rid of this problem. Please, if any of you are on this network, and suspect you may be infected, or are just worried if it's you, contact me (privately), and we can see if we can find a solution for this. As to the security breach of this trojan, I'm not sure. But it's not good anyway, considering it's a trojan ;-) Look, I may be wrong, as it may be the ISP itself, but before I alert them, I think you guys concerned should maybe have a browse around and check it ain't you. Thanks Ralph Ralph, have you done the leg work in tracking these connections and reported to the ISP they're coming from yet? That _should_ be the first place to begin. If your theory is correct then the sooner they know about it the better for all concerned all the way around. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Trojan alert - Australian IP (connect.com.au)
Ralph Slooten wrote: On 18 Jan 2003 16:51:54 -0600 Jason Guidry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 15:03, Stephen Kuhn wrote: For any POM's and Yanks that have a whinge, /dev/null I think I speak for all the americans on the list when I say...HUH??? Hehe, I knew this would happen LOL. Stephen you started it again, lmoa :D But the point of this toppic is missed already. Jason, you ain't on the australian network I mentioned, so that's cool ;-) Let me rephrase the above sentence to: cat connect.com.au:635 /dev/null ... just to save 4000 replies ;-) Greetings Ralph Ralph, Thats something I've not yet done. Just exactly how does one do that to an incoming connection. I'd be real interested to learn. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.1 beta2
H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Saturday 18 January 2003 18:31, Mark Weaver wrote: H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Saturday 18 January 2003 17:37, Walt wrote: got this from the expert list beta 2 is out on the french mirrors it is 2 cd's Dang, I've got a monthly max of 2500M and I'm at 1780 already.=:o( Looks like I'll have to pass on beta2 this time and wait for beta3 in Februari. That's a shorter month luckily=:o) Good Luck, HarM well heck Harm...maybe I could mail'em to ya. No charge! I can't think it would cost more then a few bucks to get'em to ya. Good of you to offer, but not much use as I'll be short of time too. It's weekend so at the earliest it'd get here by Tuesday. Which wouldn't give me more than a single day for testing and bug reporting. On Wednesday I'm aboard ship again making preparations to load on Thursday to France, with a mere 9.5k gsm connection and no proper testboxes. That means no big maillists or downloads until I'm back round about the 4th. by that time beta3 or maybe even 4 will be out=:o) So no testing but a perked up bank account for amends, a person could do worse=:o) With a bit of luck I might even pick up a copy with one of the French mags, they've got a choice of 3 - 4 excellent linux mags there. It always makes my day to get off ship during the unloading and buy all of them at the nearest 'maison de la presse'=:o) I'll just have to take your word for it, on how bad or good it is in the meanwhile. So do keep posting yer yeeha's!=:o) good testing, HarM Will do. Safe sailing and have a good trip. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] problems with new install
On Wednesday 15 January 2003 03:17 am, Colin Jenkins scribbled nervously: On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:01:51 -0500 Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colin, For your printing have you tried installing Cups for that. Cups does a real nice job of taking care of printing needs and has the drivers for most, if not all, of the major brands of printers you can get these days. As for your DNS entries...check the /etc/resolv.conf file and see if your entries are there. If not, enter them directly into that file. That should take care of that for you. - -- Mark thats the problem Mark, something is overwriting resolv.conf every time I reboot. I also have a resolv.conf.sv which does not get overwritten. As for the printing problem, I am using CUPS. As I said, I have reinstalled, but somthing must be corrupted. (sounds just like windows) scary, isn't it? have you tried making the changes to resolv.conf and the chmod'ing the file to 600 so that its readOnly? I'd give that a try and see if your changes stick after a reboot. -- Mark -- Powered By Mandrake Liinux 9.0 || Toshiba Portege ICQ# 27816299 -- Saying Open Source DRM is the same as saying Military Intelligence. Repeating it makes my brain hurt! author Unknown... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla error messages
On Sunday 12 January 2003 11:50 pm, John Richard Smith scribbled nervously: Everytime I put up mozilla web browser, I get an error message about now having /usr/lib/mozilla-1.1/chrome/packages/core/sidebar.xul but it doesn't say anything about what to do to correct it. Any suggestions clicking the message off does not seem to harm things much that I can tell so far, but maybe I haven't come across the problem yet. John Hi John, The first thing I would do to correct this problem is Uninstall all the Mozilla packages and then reinstall them. first though, just for the same of curiosity, check the path that is given in the error message to verify that the file it's complaining about is indeed not there. Once you've installed the app things should be ok then. -- Mark -- Powered By Mandrake Liinux 9.0 || Toshiba Portege ICQ# 27816299 -- Saying Open Source DRM is the same as saying Military Intelligence. Repeating it makes my brain hurt! author Unknown... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Where is proftpd?
On Tuesday 14 January 2003 11:39 am, fifner the dragon scribbled nervously: Hi, I ran the ftp utility in the mandrake control center (mandrake9). It installed proftpd for me. Where can I find proftpd? And does it run with a GUI? If not, can I get a GUI for it? Thanks in advance, Fifner Fifner, the answers to your questions are in order of appearance: runs as a service - it is an FTP server: service proftpd start|stop|restart| no... no... I'm wondering though...from your post it sounds as though you understood Proftpd to be a client that would allow you to transfer files? is this correct? If so...that is not the case. Proftpd is an FTP server and will allow others to upload/download files to/from your machine. Once it's correctly configured that is... If all you really wanted was a client program with which you could download/transfer files from your computer to other computers then gFTP does a nice job and is very likeyly already on your system. In the event that you did indeed mean to install an FTP server on your computer, then why eat hamburg when you can just as readily eat steak? and very good steak at that. ( Pure-FTPd ) IT's much more secure and a bit less work to get setup and running. But...to each his own... -- Mark -- Powered By Mandrake Liinux 9.0 || Toshiba Portege ICQ# 27816299 -- Saying Open Source DRM is the same as saying Military Intelligence. Repeating it makes my brain hurt! author Unknown... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M9.1beta1 install
Dennis Myers scribbled nervously after reading Mark's message: On Sunday 12 January 2003 06:56 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: 3) Bootloader refused non install , insisted on being installed 4) refused opportunity to create boot disc 5) upon reboot , found lilo had not been installed after all,though it certainlyleft you the impression it had. I ALWAYS use an expert install (press f1 when the cdrom first boots and at boot: type expert) since it gives one more options. lilo can be installed on the first sector of the boot partition (hda7 in your case), boot disk option is available. jerry I used expert install on my second harddrive with cdrom as secondary slave and ide0 disabled. Install was flawless, except I couldn't get kmail to work (might have been firewall problem if I could find the firewall) sound card is recognized but can't find the volume control, it is very sparse for apps with only one cd. Oh yeah, I forgot that I had hdc mounted on my main hda and so when it changed the partitions with the OS install on hdc my hda boot up install failed on errors on /dev/hdc1, couldn't get a recovery so had to reinstall and wipe /usr and the /hdc1 and /hdc6 partitions to get hda back. Dumb mistake. Any hoo, I am not thrilled with the default KDE icons colors etc and wish I knew why kmail can recieve but not send. Said that senders address was missing a ? can't remember. Will try again on beta 2. Charge on, -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Dennis, I'm curious as to the type of error you got with Kmail, because I've been running it under 9.1 and it's working just fine. I'm wondering what I've done, or you've done differently. -- Mark Stupidity has no moral high ground. It can't see that high! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My friends don't know better yet (can Mandrake 9 handle a .zip file ?)
Stephen Kuhn scribbled nervously after reading Mark's message: Unless I know who the ZIP file is from, I generally use: rm -rf filefromwhoknows.zip (g) UnZIP has been part of linux for quit some time - and ARK (if you're using KDE) or File-Roller should be able to pick it up just by a double-click on the archive itself - but here is the output from just typing unzip in a terminal: Hmm...is that a new one? I don't recognize that unzip command. ;) -- Mark Stupidity has no moral high ground. It can't see that high! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Free the code
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 13 January 2003 05:09 pm, Anne Wilson scribbled nervously: No go, Derek. I found the plugins in /usr/local/netscape/plugins, so I copied them to /usr/lib/mozilla-1.1/plugins and /usr/lib/netscape/plugins. I reckoned that I must have covered all the options by then, but when I re-activated the link to Free the Code I still got an almost empty page. Anne Anne, have you considered trying Opera? you don't appear to be having very good luck with Mozilla or Netscape. ;)_ - -- Mark - -- Powered By Mandrake Liinux 9.0 || Toshiba Portege ICQ# 27816299 - -- Saying Open Source DRM is the same as saying Military Intelligence. Repeating it makes my brain hurt! author Unknown... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+JHTjJuZ1geTzHgERAsoVAKDyewzxj6UpF/6s7YuGzpj6mGXCBACfdZp1 iDLUf0jrPmi+lr3nWaalG8A= =QXN6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M9.1beta1 install
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 14 January 2003 06:11 am, Anne Wilson scribbled nervously: On Monday 13 Jan 2003 10:16 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: I've just had a very trying experience trying to install this. 1) ps2 mouse scrole wheel not detected at all, hardly important though. 2) no /swap partition detected Although 9.1 is downloaded I haven't had time to look at it, so I'm reading with interest. Just wanted to comment - 9.0 didn't see my swap partition - it installed another. I have two swap partitions g Anne Hi Anne, have you checked the cooker list at all for this particular weirdness? I've heard this a few times, but no one has yet really followed up on it. On my box the 9.1 install saw the swap partition without a problem. - -- Mark - -- Powered By Mandrake Liinux 9.0 || Toshiba Portege ICQ# 27816299 - -- Saying Open Source DRM is the same as saying Military Intelligence. Repeating it makes my brain hurt! author Unknown... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+JHuLJuZ1geTzHgERAhseAJ4qJZdIiaTnX/S06eB3OjzSvg9JFACgy5zv 9W1Z5wwG1JeOyKVVRmkOJls= =Lzmr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Install Mandrake 9.1 problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 14 January 2003 06:09 pm, Kaj Haulrich scribbled incoherently: you mean the drive itself couldn't handle the 700MB media? thats a new one for me, although I'm not saying it can't happen. - -- Mark Exactly, Mark. I repeated the fiasco on my laptop, same thing happened. Went back to 8.2, no problem there ! It seems Mandrake made the .iso's hit the roof. As I recall when 9.0 came out there was quite a lot of discussion on the lists as to why this came about, but I don't recall as to the why of it all. What speed did you burn the iso's at? - -- Mark - --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+JL86JuZ1geTzHgERAszlAKD24krvgcr6gwZdufnME71BTgPBTACgvGZm 4LlAC9y6rsVSf9NaZW95BQk= =b7WO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Free the code
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 14 January 2003 05:00 pm, Anne Wilson scribbled incoherently: have you considered trying Opera? you don't appear to be having very good luck with Mozilla or Netscape. ;)_ - -- Mark Well, life's a bitch sometimes, but by and large I can get what I need between them, so there are more important things to think of right now. Maybe sometime I'll get a round tuit ;) Anne :) not to worry. I'm sure it'll never come to that. at least I hope not. - -- Mark - --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+JL/YJuZ1geTzHgERAkmdAJwLqna+qPyGchzoL1IX5bAmxjnCawCg7vWH y70cjwqQVmfOeOYumaP016M= =1aW7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] problems with new install
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 14 January 2003 05:59 am, Colin Jenkins scribbled incoherently: Hi all, got a strange problem here... finally got rid of winxp and installed mdk9. sound cd burners and nvidia card working fine..BUT whne trying to add a printer, got the error 'cant find /usr/sbin/lpd' reinstalled everything I could think of relating to printing, but no joy. Also, when I configure networking, I loose the dns search domain setting when I reboot. I have tried linuxconf and netconf with the same results. (I have 3 other boxes with 9 installed without this problem. dont know if its related, butselection grub does not seem to save either, it defaults beck to lilo. also just found a problem that my address book in Sylpheed did not seem to save. Colin, For your printing have you tried installing Cups for that. Cups does a real nice job of taking care of printing needs and has the drivers for most, if not all, of the major brands of printers you can get these days. As for your DNS entries...check the /etc/resolv.conf file and see if your entries are there. If not, enter them directly into that file. That should take care of that for you. - -- Mark - --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+JMEQJuZ1geTzHgERAgmtAKClomUBQU6pKuE1U808KJYjDOuuyQCfa3MC zg9s4LXD4ZrlOqh8QrzYFww= =dyGx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] why china likes linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 15 January 2003 12:29 am, Robin Turner scribbled incoherently: Richard Babcock wrote: Interesting article in my local paper. http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/3582809.html Looks like we got our user base! Sir Robin That would certainly explain all the crack attempts at my system over the last few months. Hell! I don't even bother going to the whois query servers any more I've become so familiar with the IP addy's that are showing up in my log files. I just write the owner of the netblock and tell'em to put those dogs on a shorter leash cause I don't like'em screwin around at the doors trying to find a weakness somewhere. - -- Mark - --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+JMLTJuZ1geTzHgERAqe6AKDug8UBepjJlDfeyJFwBwL0s9r/YwCfQY1o jVf29ynKmxjJRf/7BLFvLuo= =idd6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] This is personal!
Todd Slater wrote: Playing with ROX and Fluxbox on 8.2. I have the pinboard working OK so I can have desktop icons (not that I use them). So I spent time today looking for icons and just generally customising the look and feel. (See http://clevername.homeip.net/gallery/screenshots/2003_01_12_23_26_50?full=1 if you're curious.) Problem is, I've invested so much time and effort in getting everything just the way I want it, I'm having a hard time convincing myself I should move to 9.0 or 9.1! As has often been repeated on this list, choice is good. Todd Todd, how did you get past the glibc problem? -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] This is personal!
Todd Slater wrote: On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:35:09 -0500 Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Todd, how did you get past the glibc problem? Funny you should ask, Mark. I hosed my system once trying to upgrade all those packages. I'm running an old version of ROX (1.2.1). Getting the latest version is really what's calling me to move to 9.0, but I'm thinking I can hold out until 9.1 Todd Hi Todd, A funny thing happened today. just shortly after I sent that message I finished downloading the last of the packages I needed to satisfy those dependencies from cooker, and the install went flawlessly. glibc and all. first time I've ever seen that happen. And it was on a laptop to boot! -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla/Netscape problems
On Saturday 11 January 2003 10:59 am, Mike Larson scribbled incoherently: If I have a Mozilla (1.2.1 XFT) window open and try to open a Netscape 7.01 window, I get another Mozilla window. If I close all browser windows and start Netscape, it opens normally. On the other hand, I _can_ open a Phoenix 0.3 window when Mozilla is running. I am starting all from the menu, which calls from /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla , /usr/local/netscape/netscape and /usr/local/phoenix/phoenix Anyone have an idea on how I can open Netscape without closing all Mozilla windows? I tried opening in a termialdoen't work. Mike Hi Mike, Both Netscape and Mozilla use the same user directory, .mozilla, to do their thing when they're running. ergo, when you had Mozilla running and started Netscape it appeared as though another instance of Mozilla was running. When, in fact, it was actually Netscape. The way to get around this is to setup a seperate profile for Netscape so that it isn't looking at your Mozilla dir, or the files contained therein. Once you've done this you shouldn't have this problem again. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Java - lost it
Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 08 Jan 2003 4:02 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 4:22 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Success! OK, partial success. I removed all trace of java from my machine, ran the upgrade from the 9.0 discs and then installed the Blackdown java. Mozilla and Galeon now work OK, but for some reason Netscape 7.0 still refuses to recognize java. Oh well, if I need it, I have it! Thanks for everyone's help. I still can't work out what's going on here. I installed Netscape 7 and the java works perfectly. Mozilla and Galeon on the other hand list the plugins, but they don't work. Mozilla has lost certain setting that it had, and is now exactly like the Netscape setup. They must be sharing something somewhere. It doesn't make any sense at all Anne Anne, They are indeed. They're both using the .mozilla directory. If you want Netscape to appear as it's own app then create a new profile that you'll use when running Netscape complete with it's own mail settings, bookmarks and address book. That should straighten things out for you. Mark The whole thing is odd. You may remember that all of this started for me because I could not get the navigation tabs and links to work in Mozilla on some sites. After installing Netscape 7 I found that everything worked there, but there was no change to the problem in Mozilla. Last night I found that Mozilla now displays all the tabs and links, though not all of the are active. I suppose this means that I have changed a setting somewhere that is affecting it, but for the life in me I don't know what! Anne well...you could always experiment with a fresh install of Mozilla. Uninstall the mozilla packages making sure you delete the dir and all the files therein in /usr/lib/mozilla-1.1, then do a fresh install of mozilla which you'll also want to create the symlink from the JDK package netscape java plugin to the /usr/lib/mozilla-1.1/plugins dir when you're finished and see what that does. or...not. :) -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which version of Mandrake?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 08 Jan 2003 11:08 am, Walt Frampus wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 02:18, Kesav Tadimeti wrote: Hi, Someone (Sir Robin I believe) said that V8.1 was bad and 8.2 was Mandrake's best release yet. Mandrake Linux 9.0 didn't receive a favorable review from OS news .com. Is it better to wait for 9.1 or go ahead for 9.0? And how do I upgrade an existing 8.1 to 9.0. Delete the /, /usr mounts and reinstall? Please help. Thanks in advance... keshav I love 9.0 but have to use it on an older machine because it doesn't like the chipset on my newest computer but 8.2 will work flawlessly on it. Not sure if any problems would incur if you choose 'upgrade' when you put disk one of 9.0 in. It worked for 8.2 but I actually prefer a clean install. Agreed - go for the clean install. Anne I'll second and third that. Upgrades are troublesome and can be problematic at best. Clean installs are always best. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] IBM Deskstars in Mandrake 9.0 server
Angus Auld wrote: - Original Message - From: Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 08 Jan 2003 07:16:44 -0500 To: NewbieMandrake-List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] IBM Deskstars in Mandrake 9.0 server On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 10:52, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Monday January 6 2003 08:00 pm, Andrew Miller wrote: I built a server recently for web server, email server, file server and other uses and am running Mandrake 9.0 on it. I used a pair of 100 GB IBM Deskstars (120GXP's I believe). IBM is having problems with these drives failing and now recommends only using them 330 hours a month, something less than 50% of the time (see http://www.sheller.com/ibmpress.htm). My question is whether my use of these drives in a server application is something I should avoid? Also, is there a setting for power savings that would sleep the drive when it is not getting any hits (most of the time). Looks l could add a decent SCSI drive that is meant for always-on use. Your feedback is welcome. There's two schools on this, I side with those that believe spinning the drives down is a bad idea. Sort'a like a lightbulb, they last longer if you're not always turnin 'em off and on ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas ** Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I'm in the school that turns stuff off. I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of comparing a hard drive with a short circuit. I'm more amiable to thinking of a hard drive as having miles, like a car; which is a much closer anology. It's closer because of bearing surfaces; the number of rotations that the bearings have is finite, just as the number of rotations that your car crankshaft has is finite. You don't want to leave your car running all the time just to keep it operational. Most of the time a drive fails not from it's controller electronics, but rather from sealed bearing failure. I know a fellow in the data recovery business, and he is constantly getting old drives spinning long enough to extract the data. He does not spend a comparatively long time replacing drive electronics. Yes the temperature differentials have an impact, but only in those cases that don't have good enough ventilation. Also the impact of temperature differentials is directly proportional to the scope or variation bandwidth of those temperature differentials. In a light bulb scenario you are talking about probably the most extreme variance possible in an appliance, since it goes from room temperature to several hundred degrees in a fraction of a second within power-on. In a direct current solid state device, such as a hard drive, this is far from the case, and even less so with adequate airflow. I've been involved with hardware since the late 80's, and I still have hard drives operational from that time. They are not powered on 24/7. Just my wooden nickel... --LX *** Wow Lyvim, do I ever agree wholeheartedly! I have never been comfortable with the idea of leaving something on when it isn't in use. Not a light bulb, not anything really. I don't know a lot about electronics, but I have been interested in things mechanical all my life. A hard drive has major mechanical components, and those type of components wear with use. Auto engines suffer from a wear factor upon startup that is more severe than normal, mainly due to lack of lubrication until the oil pump is able to supply the required oil under pressure to the bearing surfaces. HD's don't have that type of startup considerations. I shut my comp down when I'm not using it. It makes me feel better to do that, it just seems the environmentally friendlier thing to do. Of course, that's just IMHO. I know there are those who make a valid case of on 24/7 too. To each his/her own. All the best! --Angus all this stuff about DeskStars makes me real glad I'm a Maxtor only man. All my machines have Maxtor drives in them and they all run 24/7. Especially my gateway/firewall. The only time any of the machines are powered down is for a lightning storm or when I got on vacation. my gateway/firewall machine and the fileserver/mailserver have been running 24/7 for the past two years. half the time I forget they're even there unless there's a problem with on the mailserver. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Phoenix 0.5
David Williams wrote: On Monday 06 January 2003 09:07 pm, Todd Slater wrote: On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:24:41 -0500 David Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that anybody really cares. But I tried Phoenix and I am about to uninstall it. I don't notice any difference in performance between Mozilla and Phoenix (I have a 1.4GHZ AMD) and I like the stuff like Open a Web Page in Moziila (among other things). Just my two cents worth in case anybody else is going to try Phoenix out. David Williams What's the Open a Web Page you refer to? Todd Actually, its Open a Web Location under the File heading. I have it set to Open in a New Navigator Tab. I like the feature as you have a pull down for commonly used web pages like Slashdot. I think the implementation of tabs is better done in Mozilla than in Phoenix. David You can also access that functionality by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+L. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 06 Jan 2003 8:04 am, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: james Mellema wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:49, walt wrote: Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Walt Whose is Norm? I vote for: KDE, libertarian, mechanist, Alaskan ANWAR oil exploration. May I as a list member on a dial-up connection with limited mail box space ask WhoTF Norm is and WhyTF politics are doing on a linux list? Come on guys answer a few questions or take your non-linux stuff off list Hylton Or set a filter on your machine to ignore them Anne OooYa! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
