[AsburyPark] Reality vs Rose Colored Glasses
Holed up in this freezing weather forced me to entertain myself again (I had sworn off) with this group. What do I find? - the ongoing attitude by some that AP is fine the way it is, 'just enjoy it and have fun'. I'll bet that the people (you know who you are) with that attitude know very little about what it takes to make a town work. Especially from a financial perspective. What happened to that budget discussion? This is a New Year - what are the projections for revenue, expenses. Is AP racking up a negative $13M or more balance sheet again? BTW: Is that beachfront done yet? Its going on a year since that was promised. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Reality vs Rose Colored Glasses
Its very clear that you just dont get-it. All the good things you mention have nothing to do with if AP is financially solvent or not. All those good things have nothing to do with if the redevelopment has been a success or not. Its ok to not care about the workings of a town, please continue, but how dare you berate people who do care about things that you admit you dont. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: Good morning newbee, I was wondering where the anonymous malcontent was. Just to let you know I drove through town and by the boardwalk last night and there were LOTS of people enjoying AP. Spending their money eating and drinking and taking up parking spaces and providing work for all sorts of people paying sales sales tax etc. But you wouldn't know that because you don't live here. Rafferty's was busy, Brick wall looked busy, Market in the Middle's bar looked busy. It was a little early for paradise but there were cars in the lot (from my direct experience sat nights are usually packed). Stella Marina had people at the Bar upstairs, there were no open diagonal parking spaces open along ocean. Langosta appeared busy (from what I could see, someone who worked last sat said it was jammin). People were going into Wonder Bar. All this on a freezing evening in the middle of one of the worst economic downturns in American history. Well whatya know. I may be a loner on this board (which I don't mind, I am fiercely independent and was taught to stand on my own with out the need of a pandering posse) but there were lots of those like me, enjoying themselves, spending money and contributing to Asbury's economy last night in AP. I don't care about the budget anymore. I said this before, the entire world is in debt, 13 million for a city in redevelopment is nothing. Should the city figure out ways to get some of the green coming in, of course, but I'm not about to subject myself to city council meetings you and jack can feel free. I know Werner is usually there. I am figuring out other ways to serve that don't involve so many egos and bullshit. Maybe you, Werner and Jack should start a complaint and gripe board where you can post the same things over and over and over. I'll send some healing love over to you, do some tonglen meditation for ya before I go out on my tight budget and have some fun dancing with others who know how to express the joy of their spirit in community. why dont' you come down on the 31st for the bartender mix off. I'll spot the 5 bucks for you. and again, I'll call you on who you really are. I think mark mentioned it once. You probably aren't new to ap, just a shit stirrer. maybe a failed business owner licking wounds and trying to create misery (unhappy people are good at that). cheers buddy! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Holed up in this freezing weather forced me to entertain myself again (I had sworn off) with this group. What do I find? - the ongoing attitude by some that AP is fine the way it is, 'just enjoy it and have fun'. I'll bet that the people (you know who you are) with that attitude know very little about what it takes to make a town work. Especially from a financial perspective. What happened to that budget discussion? This is a New Year - what are the projections for revenue, expenses. Is AP racking up a negative $13M or more balance sheet again? BTW: Is that beachfront done yet? Its going on a year since that was promised. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Reality vs Rose Colored Glasses
You my friend are the master of Ignorance is Bliss. AP is host to the restaurant/entertainment economy you talk about and everything else so dear to you. If the Host dies or suffers serious illness all of that dies or suffers too. My name or where I live doesnt matter. Be glad that some people care about the Host. Unfortunately its in intensive care on life support (State Funded). In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: You've got to be kidding me. A thriving restaurant/entertainment economy has nothing to do with a town's financial situation? That's deluded, not you, the idea. All you do is berate this town and the people who enjoy and love it. You my friend are a master of projection. Once again I'll try, what's your name and where do YOU live? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Its very clear that you just dont get-it. All the good things you mention have nothing to do with if AP is financially solvent or not. All those good things have nothing to do with if the redevelopment has been a success or not. Its ok to not care about the workings of a town, please continue, but how dare you berate people who do care about things that you admit you dont. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: Good morning newbee, I was wondering where the anonymous malcontent was. Just to let you know I drove through town and by the boardwalk last night and there were LOTS of people enjoying AP. Spending their money eating and drinking and taking up parking spaces and providing work for all sorts of people paying sales sales tax etc. But you wouldn't know that because you don't live here. Rafferty's was busy, Brick wall looked busy, Market in the Middle's bar looked busy. It was a little early for paradise but there were cars in the lot (from my direct experience sat nights are usually packed). Stella Marina had people at the Bar upstairs, there were no open diagonal parking spaces open along ocean. Langosta appeared busy (from what I could see, someone who worked last sat said it was jammin). People were going into Wonder Bar. All this on a freezing evening in the middle of one of the worst economic downturns in American history. Well whatya know. I may be a loner on this board (which I don't mind, I am fiercely independent and was taught to stand on my own with out the need of a pandering posse) but there were lots of those like me, enjoying themselves, spending money and contributing to Asbury's economy last night in AP. I don't care about the budget anymore. I said this before, the entire world is in debt, 13 million for a city in redevelopment is nothing. Should the city figure out ways to get some of the green coming in, of course, but I'm not about to subject myself to city council meetings you and jack can feel free. I know Werner is usually there. I am figuring out other ways to serve that don't involve so many egos and bullshit. Maybe you, Werner and Jack should start a complaint and gripe board where you can post the same things over and over and over. I'll send some healing love over to you, do some tonglen meditation for ya before I go out on my tight budget and have some fun dancing with others who know how to express the joy of their spirit in community. why dont' you come down on the 31st for the bartender mix off. I'll spot the 5 bucks for you. and again, I'll call you on who you really are. I think mark mentioned it once. You probably aren't new to ap, just a shit stirrer. maybe a failed business owner licking wounds and trying to create misery (unhappy people are good at that). cheers buddy! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Holed up in this freezing weather forced me to entertain myself again (I had sworn off) with this group. What do I find? - the ongoing attitude by some that AP is fine the way it is, 'just enjoy it and have fun'. I'll bet that the people (you know who you are) with that attitude know very little about what it takes to make a town work. Especially from a financial perspective. What happened to that budget discussion? This is a New Year - what are the projections for revenue, expenses. Is AP racking up a negative $13M or more balance sheet again? BTW: Is that beachfront done yet? Its going on a year since that was promised. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http
[AsburyPark] Happy Holidays
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[AsburyPark] Re: Star Ledger: Asbury Park revival project still far from finished
Thank you for the great background info ! What a mess its been. My comment about waking up is refering to the current situation. Seems that the politicians have not learned from past mistakes either. Ive consistantly been talking about the present and how not meeting the marketing hype put out actually hurts things. Its hard to understand how AP could be losing so much money unless there are really incompetent people running things. the hype--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b...@... wrote: Who says we're asleep? 1st go 'round with redevelopment back in the mid 80's went nowhere, with Carabetta declaring bankruptcy, tying the City up with an entanglement that only Judge Mollen of the Mollen Commission could UN-tangle by the late 90's! The power machine that ran Asbury Park into the ground, was still at work, until a grassroots group called Asbury United stepped up to the plate, electing its' 2nd Black Mayor. The losing ticket not satisfied with what happened, compiled a report from the Homeowners' group, gave it to the FBI, resulting in the ousting of the Mayor and eventually all of the council members that were elected in 1996, through corruption, including Terry Weldon, the City Manager/Mayor of Ocean Twp. He was awarded a pension for being arrested! Go figure! In came 5 who cared or not, contracting with Asbury Partners, who sub contracted with Madison Marquette, who has been the mover and shaker, who has done anything so far, but not living up to the original agreement or resulting in anything to the City for what it gave up! Now, you have MM interpreting what they can/can't do, altering the landscape, in their favor, irregardless what the City thought was going to be a feasible plan agreeable, to the City finally having some tax ratables on the books, but with so much unfinished and haphazardly construction unfinished, the old C-8 became the Esperanza or C-8- II! Still with me?I'm not an architect, politician, real estate mogul or any of the people, that move and shake Asbury! Just a resident, citizen and taxpayer! I just have an opinion! Opinions are like A$$-holes! Everybody has one! Since you were honest enough to voice your displeasure as to why AP hasn't moved forward, I just gave my opinion, unvarnished as it is. I also think MM has tried to make an honest attempt to do something! Remember, I moved to NJ 2 months after the 1970 riot. It was not pretty, but the West Side where most of the destruction took place wasn't and still isn't what it should be. Kinda like New Orleans after Katrina, only AP has been wallowing in this shame, almost 40 years! Those residents who were here, before, during and after me, really know the score. Asbury Park is still one of the most beautiful and historical areas, I've ever seen and I've seen many, so this is just my 2 cents. Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Happy Kwanzaa or whatever you celebrate! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: So its not just me that notices things are amiss... Like I said before... doing some reasearch in various media sources gives a different picture from the all is well view of some AP locals. I'm surprised that the talk about the money/deficit/budget went nowhere. Well not really... guess everyone is too busy 'having fun' to worry about a bankrupt AP (Yes that was a 'dig' - folks down there better wake up) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: Asbury Park revival project still far from finished by MaryAnn Spoto/The Star-Ledger Tuesday December 09, 2008, 6:28 PM http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/12/asbury_park_revival_project_s t.html A year ago, construction ground to a halt on luxury oceanfront condominiums in Asbury Park that had promised to usher in a revival of a city devastated by race riots, political corruption and economic woes. A harbinger of the national real estate disaster that was to come, the Esperanza should have been near completion today, but instead the same three stories stand bleakly against the backdrop of a beachfront awaiting tourists. The poured-concrete foundation hasn't changed since Hoboken- based Metro Homes gave the stop-work order a year ago Sunday, but the company's president insists he is pressing on with plans for a scaled- down version of the high rise. He said work could resume by next summer. Our project is far from dead, said Metro Homes president Dean Geibel. We're basically creating a whole new building. Held hostage for two decades by ups and downs of the housing market, the city is trying to buck current economic trends and continues to rebuild around the building that takes its name from the Spanish word for hope. Surprisingly enough, we're still
[AsburyPark] What 's the status of....
...the building just south of the bandstand building? I looked at the webcam picture and it seems that the Esperanza sign is gone but the building is just whitewashed. Is anything in there yet? I agree with some previous comments that its a waste of space and pretty silly to not renovate that building. Are the developer offices and cat hotel still in there? Doesn't seem that there's much effort to get things done. Are they stopping because of litigation that was reported with the city? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Lights are back on!
I was really surprised to hear the power went out. I was glued to the radio and tv all night. No effect up here, although I was almost hoping so I could see what a real night sky looks like. I've been to the observaory off of 287 and its pretty cool. BTW - there are light pollution rules in some towns in the area. Makes them much nicer.hint hint The webcam of AP shown some really 'hot' lights shining out and up. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b...@... wrote: From 6:15 PM until 9:45, AP and surrounding neighborhoods were without power. Thanks for calling Glenn! I had my shortwave radio tuned to New Jersey 101.5, keeping up with the reports, the whirl of helicopters flying overhead, squad cars screaming up and down the street, scaring the BeJesus out of everyone, etc. Anyway, it appears we're out of danger! Reports of a transformer blowing up in Neptune, is what did it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
Good that someone actually goes to those meetings to report back.
Thats where all the 'funny business' happens in most towns.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@...
wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
...
From what Ive read that seems to have been the intent but AP got
screwed in that deal.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie oceanchuck@ wrote:
...
I'm not up to date on how things were left with the
bandshell. I'm still thinking work was promissed on the lower
half,
and the upper half was set for a later date?
==
As I recall from attending the Planning Board Hearing, The only
approval for permanent
renovations was granted for the !st Ave Pavilion.
The work on the 3rd and 5th Ave Pavilions was approved as Temporary
pending the
submission of Permanant plans.
Temporary was discussed as 5 years I believe. The work completed
certainly does not
appear 'temporary' and it may be a loophole being used to avoid
paying Property Taxes.
Werner
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[AsburyPark] Re: Star Ledger: Asbury Park revival project still far from finished
So its not just me that notices things are amiss... Like I said before... doing some reasearch in various media sources gives a different picture from the all is well view of some AP locals. I'm surprised that the talk about the money/deficit/budget went nowhere. Well not really... guess everyone is too busy 'having fun' to worry about a bankrupt AP (Yes that was a 'dig' - folks down there better wake up) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifern...@... wrote: Asbury Park revival project still far from finished by MaryAnn Spoto/The Star-Ledger Tuesday December 09, 2008, 6:28 PM http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/12/asbury_park_revival_project_s t.html A year ago, construction ground to a halt on luxury oceanfront condominiums in Asbury Park that had promised to usher in a revival of a city devastated by race riots, political corruption and economic woes. A harbinger of the national real estate disaster that was to come, the Esperanza should have been near completion today, but instead the same three stories stand bleakly against the backdrop of a beachfront awaiting tourists. The poured-concrete foundation hasn't changed since Hoboken-based Metro Homes gave the stop-work order a year ago Sunday, but the company's president insists he is pressing on with plans for a scaled- down version of the high rise. He said work could resume by next summer. Our project is far from dead, said Metro Homes president Dean Geibel. We're basically creating a whole new building. Held hostage for two decades by ups and downs of the housing market, the city is trying to buck current economic trends and continues to rebuild around the building that takes its name from the Spanish word for hope. Surprisingly enough, we're still bringing business into Asbury Park, said Tom Gilmour, director of commerce for the city. A lot of people who wanted to come here got turned off by the high prices and are back. Gilmour said Asbury Park has had 17 new storefronts, including seven new restaurants, open on the boardwalk since May. Another seven businesses opened downtown during that same time. A year ago, retail space in the city's downtown was slightly less than half full. Now it's about 60 percent occupied, he estimated. Last year, the boardwalk had a nearly 70 percent vacancy rate. Now it's maxed out, Gilmour said. Sales of condominiums at two new complexes bookending the oceanfront redevelopment zone had stalled after the real estate bubble drove prices skyward. Interest in those developments, Wesley Grove and North Beach, has resumed now that prices have dipped, Gilmour said. Reacting to the slowdown in the real estate market, City Manager Terence Reidy said, many developers have proposed converting space once designated residential into office. Others are considering creating interim parking lots until the market rebounds, he said. The good thing is no one's come to me and said, 'I'm pulling out,' Reidy said. That includes Metro Homes. Only three of the 16 stories had been built before the developer suspended work on the $100 million project. The city last year threatened to go to court to compel the developer to keep working but has since softened its stance. Talks with Madison Marquette, the developer of the boardwalk and the new owner of the Wesley Grove condos, about entering a joint venture to resurrect the Esperanza proved fruitless, Geibel said. With a new partner -- who Geibel declined to name -- Metro Homes is redesigning the project to shave expenses. Instead of having two towers separated by an outdoor pool, the building will have one L- shaped tower wrapped partially around the outdoor pool to the north and west. It will get a new name -- something that suggests the ocean, Geibel said. The new design will mean many of the 224 units have an oceanfront view, he said. But some of the amenities, such as an upscale restaurant, will be left on the drawing room floor, he said. Metro Homes had contracts for 70 of the units, which sold for between $400,000 and $2.3 million, before construction stopped. Geibel said all the deposits have been returned but some original buyers, including singer John Oates, are interested in buying into the new building. John Lidestri, an importer from Ringwood, used his returned deposit to help buy a restored seven-bedroom historic home within walking distance from the beach in Asbury Park. In retrospect, this was a better deal, because he got a bigger place for the nearly $1 million he was prepared to pay for the condo. And his taxes will be cheaper, said the 39-year-old father of two. Obviously it would be great for the community to see it come to fruition, he said. It would definitely enhance the image of the waterfront rather than to have a stalled construction site there.
[AsburyPark] Re: Meet on First Saturday
Thanks for the invite but I cant make it, maybe some other time. Probably good I dont come anyway, Id probably be 'lynched' for having questions and making observations - LOL You all have a good time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fireworks start at 8 p.m. Anybody who wants to meet and put a face to the names come on over to Market in the Middle at 5 p.m. RSVP so I'm not sitting there by my lonesome. If you're shy you can email me privately jennifernjca at yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: BeachCam Status
Now that is funny !!! BTW I just looked at it and your guy Bradley got cut out of the picture. And those flood lights create bright spots that are really distracting and out of place. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint dapawprint@ wrote: The BeachCam Status for November 2008 are in - and it's not pretty. See the graph here: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/3070428019_4a06ea1001_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/3070428019_4a06ea1001_o.jpg My intent is not really to be critical, if I can help to get that camera operational and reliable - I am willing! Glenn = Your negativity is not welcome here, if you have nothing good to say get out. You don't even live here and your post insults everyone who is optimistic about Asbury Park. I really enjoy that camera, its fun, if you can't just enjoy it the way it is don't look at it. Visitors keep coming to it and no one else is complaining. LOL :-) Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Rockwell/AsburyPark/Xanadu
Got that right, Ive watched it being built. Created a real controversy up here. I think the Bandstand building could be restored but it would be really expensive now that it was screwed up. Would have made sense to do it right the first time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zanadu is a complete eyesore. But, even if we question the look of the pavilions, isn't it far too late for a change of direction? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: While doing some research I came across a page of comments about the new Xanadu complex being built in the Meadow Lands. Designed by the Rockwell Group, the same architect engaged for our beachfront who is responsible for the 'Containers' I thought the following comment was rather connected. Posted by mcjasper on 09/11/08 at 11:54AM I am a recent graduate from Manhattan College and while driving down to my parents house at the shore many weekends would drive past the mall. I must say as a civil engineer, if I were the engineer of this building I would take a wet noodle and beat the architect. How any architect could think this is a good look is beyond me. It would have looked ugly in the 1970's when these colors were in style. Thank God I decided to move out of NJ and now live in Tampa, FL. Now I will not have to deal with an ugly mess called a mall like all you northern Jersey folk. P.S. stop coming down to the shore and cluttering up my beaches!!! http://blog.nj.com/jerseyblogs/2008/04/xanadu_too_ugly_for_the_meadow. html I continue to be concerned about the direction of architecture chosen for the beachfront and think that the Rockwell Group is an inappropriate match for the job at hand. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
Wow - you really dont get it do you? Materials is part of design. Likeing or not liking a building is different from recognizing that a particular building is unique in design and worth keeping original. How many people would buy a house and then stucco one third orange, brick third yellow and side one third green? It would be rediculous and the neighbors would have a fit. What does HoJo have to do with it? I was saying that the building could have been restored to its original appearance AND the CURRENT businesses could still be in there. From what Ive read that seems to have been the intent but AP got screwed in that deal. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And why must everything be designed in 'suburban-stucco- modern' architechture ? I'm still picturing that bandstand building, how badly it was butchered architecturally. And how easy it would have been to preserve it as the really unique piece of AP that it is. It would still be occupied by the same businesses. Nothing would be different except it would look like its supposed to, like it was designed to be. I don't mind the modern boardwalk buildings. I like them. Were the previous buildings made of brick really that different then what was going up around them at the time? I don't know, so i'm asking. It seems like those types of bricks were popular during the time period. Not a stand out matieral, that separted the boardwalk from other buildings around towns and citys. I'm speaking about matiearls, not design. Preservation is one thing, but to say it would still be occupied by the same businesses is crazy. It was empty other then HOJO? HOJO's days were numbered as it was, not because of it's location, but the whole chain itself. I'm not up to date on how things were left with the bandshell. I'm still thinking work was promissed on the lower half, and the upper half was set for a later date? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
Thats a lot of bunk - major projects like your redevelopment are done all over the place - they dont advertise great success and then dont diliver. They dont take 7 years to get minimally along either - or lie to the very people they are working for along with the customers they need to attract. There are contracts, timetables, legal obligations. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, dates have been missed, there are always obstacles to overcome and it all takes time. When I first posted I asked why things were not done on the beach and I got jumped on. Thats got nothing to do with the people on this group. But noone has ever really answered that except to acknowledge it was a marketing ploy/lie. I think Gab was on the right track in questioning the 'powers in charge'. Thats where the decissions are made but obviously questioners get, as Gab said, 'wernerized' Seems that most everyone is just happy with the way things are and takes it while AP sinks economically. I see asking questions as getting to the root of things not as you say degrading the hope of a LOT of very hopeful people. Geee.. This place is addictive, I think its the disbeleif that a mile of oceanfront could take so long and not feel the wrath of the taxpayers. I am hoping that you realize that when you are critical of Asbury Park - specifically in this Yahoo Group that you are not being critical of the Development Team or the City - you are being critical of the residents and the fans of Asbury Park. The majority of the residents of Asbury Park, until very recently, lived in a city which was spiraling into decline. When you post here and challenge the milestones (I agree that they are late in coming), you are in a way degrading the hope of a LOT of very hopeful people. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Happy Turkey Day..
As much as some of you dislike hearing from me Regardless, Asbury Park has my heart felt wishes to get its act together and be outstanding. Happy Thanksgiving ! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stone Pony Closing for Repairs....
Yes I have, Whats your point ? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Now thats a shame its one of the only authentic music venues left. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint dapawprint@ wrote: HAve you ever been in there?? now that my daughter has been there, I've warned her to be by a door. It needs some work. It IS a draw and will continue to be a draw. Just needs some work. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stone Pony Closing for Repairs....
WoW.. pawprint is a gem a human be-in. Unlike some of the nastys in this group. Perhaps is takes 'outsiders' like him and me to see things --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Long before James A. Bradley was even born, Cobblers were crafting shoes and boots for communities when the family of the Cobbler walked barefoot or in less than comfortable footwear. Werner has a personal situation, exacerbated by personal and offical attacks, yet still shares his wisdom for the greater good of the city. Let us recall that those attacks have cost Werner money and esteem. I ask all of you to put yourselves in Werner's shoes and think again. How many of us have actually been forced into a corner without a resource but are still willing to share our knowledge. Not me, well, maybe, I have learned from a great teacher. With a few exceptions that I am aware of, many of Werner's critics on this forum have never met Werner. I have. Werner could win the majority of debates and if he lost, would conceded with grandeur. My best advice to all of you is that if you choose to attack, make certain that your know your opponent well. That man in the scary house might actualy be the guy watching your back! As we watch the economy bundgy jumping, we must realize that any one of us may face the budget that Werner deals with daily. Would any of YOU be willing to take time away from your own situation to attempt to better the situation of those around you? Would you? This is just my opinion, but please try to think out of the box. Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Werner has plenty of great ideas, and your attack on him was uncalled for. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, maubddny filecabinet768@ wrote: Werner, Do you honestly think anyone cares about your recomendations? You blow so much hot air that even if you came up with a good idea, nobody would bother to listen to it. I think everyone would take your recomendations more seriously if you fixed up your own property first, and then worried about the rest of the town. Visionary, VISIONARY... Guess we are the only ones. I have recommended many times that the Pony be retained and enlarged on the current site. Unfortunately those in charge are myopic. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
And why must everything be designed in 'suburban-stucco-modern' architechture ? I'm still picturing that bandstand building, how badly it was butchered architecturally. And how easy it would have been to preserve it as the really unique piece of AP that it is. It would still be occupied by the same businesses. Nothing would be different except it would look like its supposed to, like it was designed to be. And the bandstand would be usable. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene? If we still had as many venues as we once had, and outdoor summer concerts on the beach, and the Arthur Pryor Bandshell in use, then we'd plenty to attact people. The city lost a huge opportunity by letting it's musical heritage slip away. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: It was given to AP years ago and some creative historian may have already suggested, but I don't know There isn't a Morro Castle display, memorial, replicas (in the works...), etc watch for them soon. Would be interesting to have that some place on the boardwalk. The real history of AP's real glory days or gay days lay around just waiting for someone else to trip over them. Not many towns have such documented history hidden away. Add to that AP's undocumented history... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Logic ????
Many communities adopt lighting design standards because they recognize its the right thing to do. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but why should Ocean Grove have to deal with AP's excessive lighting? And why should the city be paying huge electric bills for lights that are on at times when there's nobody around? Appropriate lighting is great. Excessive lighting, like what we currently have, is a waste, not attractive and is an annoyance to residents who have to deal with it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Things were done a certain way in 1900 Therefore - it should be done that way now. 'Brilliant' Logic. I'm going to rip out my kitchen floor and go back to dirt. Then run outside to the outhouse and ... Or perhaps move to Montana soon and live in a cabin where that may actually be the norm. Werner Strawman. That light is inviting and safe and dark is scary is a concept unchanged since the dawn of consciousness. There is simple no way around that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just Waded Through...
Im talking about improvement since the last time I came down in the summer. You and others seem to be stuck in this nostalgic - its better then it was- routine. Cant you see things from another perspective. There should be HUGE improvement since Memorial Day. Hell they missed that mark and then said it would all be done by Labor Day. Its November NOW... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Over 400 postings - Most of it BS (religion, poitics, arguing) I looked forward to a HUGE improvement on my next visit. HEre's an improvement - Stella Marina opened and Lagosta. Before all this bs, lagosta to me (and tommy) was Martell's arcade, then Bob Asay's shop for building his great boats because the pavillons were falling down (actually crumbling). First ave pav was an arcade, me with dogs/pizza etc (then HV's), Kohrs and Criterion ad bathrooms for the public. The casino was boarded up, the boardwalk caving in the empress a whore house cookman boarded up, CH not a beer nor cosmo in sight more hookers on kingsley then people on the boardwalk and you really had to have balls to drive around first. second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh ave... you had to make sure youhad a spare tire not if, but when you got a flat driving down ocean ave, wipe away the fear tog et out and change the tire. but there was always a good samaritan looking for a coffee at 1am to change it for you,,, Sure the city over the years (not just since Partners or MM) had every huckster and REAL developers come to town only to walk away. They either were shook down so bad, realized that business had to be done a certain way or people had no f'in clue So today you might have what the experienced over the years see - improvement in a certain way that we either like or hate. How much improvement will you see by next summer? List what you'd like to see Let's start simple, like plant grass on all the vacant lots in the redevelopment zone. Nothing fancy. you don't eve have to plant it. Just throw the seeds down. And on the budget - kind of hard to do a budget when you know off the start you have NO (not enough) money coming in and obligations up the rear...maybe the cty should auction off all their archives of old plans that were REAL for Cookman ave, the boardwalk... Maybe go plead to the feds that they need some of that $70 billon in loans for to cover mismangement and everything elseGM, FORD and CHRYSLER should be one - American Motors (recal AMCand the gremlin? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just Waded Through...
How about what they claimed would be delivered for starters? All the boardwalk buildings completed and business in them. A beach club with a swimming pool The casino being repaired Convention center restored I agee that the Casino is the key thing. A shame they tore it down and are now dragging their feet with whats left. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: List what you'd like to see Won't happen, but since the question was unconditional, a new Casino. As bad as the unfinished condos and construction sites look, most of them are inland. You see a construction site surrounded by asphalt streets or sidewalks, there is a level of continuity and logic to it. You can work around it. However, the site of a rusting stone and steel foundation for a demolished building has a starker and more jarring visual effect on sand, next to the ocean. Particularly when you want people to feel comfortable recreating on that sand with their friends and family. Does a parent want their kid building sand castles if there's a possibility a tetanus- inducing rusty nail or pipe could be in that sand? Are people going to want to play volleyball or frisbee, which often involves diving full-body into the sand, if they think they might land on a nail or broken glass? Whether everything has been done to clean the beach or not, impressions matter. This goes for the north end of Ocean Grove as well. They have to deal with that mess on some level too. The beach is your number one draw in summer. Live music is number two. Fix that Casino, and you kill two birds with one stone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Park...
Why cant they turn one of those parking lots into a rink? Ive seen temporary rinks go up with no problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Wow. Super cool. Wouldn't it be a great treat if we had a winter skating rink? Maybe where the hay maze currently sits? Of course, it makes me wonder how many people still have ice skates. I don't, but I'd buy some if we had a skating rink a few blocks from where I live. I suggested this last year similar to the temporary ice rink that is set up in Bryant Park every year. I suggested Bradley Park/Atlantic Square but yes, there are green spaces. Costs a pretty penny. MM should think of it. Put it right where the pool club is supposed to go. But we cannot even get MM to pay what it owes already. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Knock, Knock...Hellooo....
I have to agree with that - I just went through another 50 or so posts with no meat on them. What is it with the members of this group - love to divert things away from the issues you all face - and they are serious from what I can tell. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Is there any intelligent life here? After months of Political horror, followed by Religious/Holiday browbeating. We are now looking at reams of posts on accommodations and alleged [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s. Just when the discussions were getting to the most critical issues in Asbury Park, the Budget and Redevelopment, the tide is turned again. A pattern reveals itself... Every time the discussion returns to Asbury Park centric issues, baiting and trolling ensues. Inevitably someone takes the bait and, zooom... to the moon... the topic gets hijacked and off to the ozone it goes. One need only look at the archives and the usual suspects become evident. One has to wonder what the motivation is for steering the board constantly away from critical issues? Coincidence, or an underlying plan to instill discord and avoid specific topics? I'm all for open discussion but the pattern is too obvious to ignore. My concern for Asbury Park's future motivates me to ask everyone take a hard critical look at the state of the City, the Budget, Redevelopment... Please make that a priority instead of endless debates. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stone Pony Closing for Repairs....
Now thats a shame its one of the only authentic music venues left. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/stone_pony_closing_for_repair s.\ html http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/stone_pony_closing_for_repai rs\ .html Will they get a SIDEWALK like the venues that are staying, or will their repairs be torn down for eminent domain? Enquiring minds want to know. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
Finally - someone who understands what Im talking about !! EXPECTATIONS, especially the ones visitors have. Ive done some more reading about this whole thing and now see the whole redevelopment has been off track for YEARS. Im feeling real sympathy for you all, insisting that things are great, everything is fine - just a defense to shield the pain. AP is in serious financial trouble. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also very happy with the progress and work that's been done on the boardwalk. That said as a homeowner and taxpayer I do think setting expectations that are wildly missed goes well beyond marketing as the city must plan for the revenues promised per the promises made. Honestly I'd have been just as happy has realistic expectations been set and met vs. setting the expectation that this would all get done by Memorial Day when pretty much everyone knew that was impossible. It's not like they missd it by a month - they're still not done. That has financial impacts for the city that go well beyond the marketing buzz. Again, I'm very pleased with the progress and the pace. But in fairness to the city they should have been realistic. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: this is mocking Last report was that you are $13 million in the hole from non-redevelopment. OOps there's that timetable again. Newbee, as I have stated many times, I have witnessed many people enjoying this beautiful little city by the sea over and over and over again. You are obviously disappointed. The people I saw here over the summer bathing, dancing, drinking, eating etc didn't seem disappointed to me. The coming summers will tell us something. It is clear that you think things should be done differently. As much as I loathe marketing ploys, they seem to work. There was a lot of action on the BW this summer. I'll be sure to keep you up to date next summer. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I'm not mocking it. I'm pointing out that if AP wants to attract repeat visitors who spend $$$ it would be better not to misrepresent what to expect. As to evidence, just do some research as I said. The NY Times, The Coaster, The Asbury Park Press, The Star ledger... This boards archives, Online Blogs. Even a member here, dasher (?) said it was a marketing ploy to drum up hype. Well hype with no substance leads to disappointment. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: newbee...EVERYONE with opinions likes to be right! You keep mocking the failure of the BW to be finished even though there isn't anything solid that says it was meant to be finished. You are just as attached to being right as anyone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
Up here in North Jersey they take this stuff very seriously - some towns have laws controlling lighting. The NJ Astronomical Association is very active. http://www.njaa.org/light.html From what I remember of my AP visit there are some really intrusive lights around. Should be an easy fix. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cwpvt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, this is something that is a lot easier to not let happen in the first place, than to change after the fact. My least favorates are the big industrial floodlights on the OG side of the Casino, where they clash with the boardwalk lights and the parking lot style lights along the AP boardwalk, can't something a little less tall and bright be put up along there, and not the new style lights that have been installed along the streets, something more in keeping with the early 20th century era of the CH and Casino. Have not noticed the Berk light, but I'm over in OG, so maybe it's not pointed our way!! I'm not so worried about the lights in the parking lots, I'm hoping they are just temporary. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Just Waded Through...
Over 400 postings - Most of it BS (religion, poitics, arguing) What surprises me is that the budget discussion hasnt taken off. What happened - thats propably the biggest issue. Directly related is the parking fiasco, the unfinished beachfront fiasco, the no condos fiasco, the no deadlines fiasco, the no agreement fiasco... Surely there are important things to talk about ??? I'd really like to know whats going on down there. I looked forward to a HUGE improvement on my next visit. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
OK - Thanks for the backup - I know thats what was advertised and thats what I expected. Why did everyone - including you - tell me I was wrong? I think everyone here just likes to argue instead of addressing real issues. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newbie, Your point is not lost on me. While I did disagree with you once when you said the entire redevelopment was to be finished by now, I don't disagree with your observations about the media statements regarding Memorial Day. I'll tell you who else agrees with you. Gary Mottola of Madison Marquette. When he first came here I interviewed him for the paper. One of his complaints was that Asbury had been hyped beyond its repair, and one poeple came here, they were disappointed and probably would not return. I believe that to be the point you are making. I was surprised too when he started tauting Memorial Day as a finish point for certain projects. Everyone who is local laughed at the annoucement. Asbury Park's wheels of progress never move that fast - too many layers of government. Another mistake was the job fair. My office received calls from people who were promised employment at the job fair, then didn't get them when buildings and the pool weren't done. So, I understand what you are saying. You probably were not the only one to expect a Memorial Day Grand Opening as advertised and were disappointed when it didn't happen. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
What post are you talking about? Middle of the day? A message number or some other reference would help. I have never been in a political discussion. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Newb, Right in the middle today I put up a topic that was 100% about AP. You had nothing to say about it. Yet you did respond the national political stuff. What does that tell you? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
Well thank you, A much nicer and civil attitude than your previous notes to me. Ok maybe insider/outsider is a bad way to put it. I'm thinking more along the lines of those who are in or around AP daily/weekly versus those who are not in the area. I tried to have a discussion with you before about how close someone's involvement is effects their perceptions. You mentioned wanting proof about the timeline. Before that you said you don't care about timelines. See what I mean - I know about it because thats what was reported and I know about it. You don't care about it or know about it, That doesn't make my surprise that things are not finished invalid. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Temptation to channel Hemeon is greatsince he appears to be off figuring a way to keep his stuff from being our stuff. Were I him this post would only be... SMACKDOWN! BTW newbie, i don't consider you an outsider. ap isn't a country club. One of the most beautiful things about it is its diversity. It has to be one of the most inclusive places in the state. One of the main reasons I moved here. I hope it stays that way. if you were referring to some sort of political/money power inside and outside, i doubt those types of insiders post here very often other than to announce something. in that regard i am as much an outsider as you. which i find a delightful way to live. thats where the real juice is. whenever i have a delightful day in AP I think I wish Newbie were here! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Hey Newb, Right in the middle today I put up a topic that was 100% about AP. You had nothing to say about it. Yet you did respond the national political stuff. What does that tell you? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: But there is a group for that from what I understand. Why is that crap still posted here when people have asked for it to stop. Even the moderator who seems to have washed has hands of the whole group started moderating in the past because there was no self control. It just shows a complete lack of courtesy and self control by those involved. I for one would like to talk and hear about AP things. If I want to hear about politics I go to a politics board. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Sure Newbie, the personalizing in the political discussion was no fun to read. You will find that behavior on the board even when discussing AP matters. Unless you are willing to point out the personalizing when someone does it, you are going to have to get used to it. I suggest you simply post the word personalizing when someone does it so perhaps they get the hint to stop. That being said, its been an Asbury Park problem that the City operates in a vaccum with no regard to politics and events outside its borders which affect the City, particularly on the County and State level. Asbury's failure to react properly to the building of the Parkway, air conditioned cars, the desire of Ocean Township to have its own High School, the closing of Marlboro Hospital and the rise of the Malls (to name a few) are all examples of AP keeping its head in the sand about events outside the City that greatly affected it. Talking about the national election was certainly important to AP, as important as when we talk of national financial trends. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Thank God Its Over What a huge huge bad impression the posts on this board have made. I cant believe the crap that came from some of you. Completely changed my impression of the caliber of people in AP. No wonder AP has been sooo messed up for sooo long. OK, so I'm a outsider, My opinion doesn't count... Right? Wake up, this is a publicly readable board and if you think the past weeks have made a good impression and will encourage people to visit AP you are out of your minds. I turned some friends on to the group thinking they could back me up about the importance of visual impressions and the delivering what was promised. WoW... did they get a wakeup reading all that crap. They, and I'm sure many lurkers, or just people who got here by google are shocked by the nastiness and will not even think of visiting now. Does it matter? Is the beach done yet? . Lets see, it was supposed to be last Memorial day. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO - Response to New bee
I consider this from you, drivel... You complain and make judgements about timelines. Don't knock someone who is actually doing something when you have the audacity to be lazy enough to judge a whole community by what is typed on a board by the same 15 people. So you know about the Memorial Day promise also - Thats great. Nice that you don't mind it didn't happen, are you an insider (there)? I was very disappointed because that's what I came to see because that's what was publicized. You can understand that - right? I really think manipulating the media and lying is a cheap shot that only hurts AP in the long run. Surprising that you put up with it and condone it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first of all, i'd like an example of my drivel? second of all, i was referring to your judgement of an entire town by what is posted by 15 people on an internet message board. Third, i have been an advocate of not having political discussions on this board. Fourth, and this one is important - Memorial day for completion was never a possibility. We all knew that and discussed it when that was announced during the winter. It was physically impossible to complete in that timeframe. It was done to create a buzz about the town to outsiders and to force the hand of the local government to act in a business like fashion and not a political fashion (I'm not sure if you know about the 100k dollars Madison marquette had in escrow to expedite meetings, decisions, approvals etc.. that the town would have to deal with due to overtime to town employees). It was probably also done so that everyone was aware of how fast the developers wanted to move and they wouldn't tolerate the kickbacks and under the table payments that have gone on in this town and others in Jersey for generations. I was not lied to by Madison Marquette, they spent a boatload of money this summer to make things better. I am not going to be a maniac over a date that was meant to spark enthusiasm and get the wheels in motion. We also live in a town that has drugs and gangs, so much for your fantasyland. We came here to hopefully be a part of something that improves. Why don't you do the same or go spread your cheer in another town. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: What is wrong with you ? I did go downtown, I did shop, I did enjoy the boards and beach. I had a good time, I told you (all) that previously. None of that good experience has anything to do with my observations that AP just did not live up to advertised expectations. Is that not clear?? The media reported that the beach would be finished by Memorial day - That was what the developer himself said. I didn't make the promise. I asume from your past posts that you are a local. Doesn't it concern you that you are being lied to? Doesn't it concern you that visitors come and go somewhat surprised and disappointed with the lack of completion ? What is wrong with you that you write such unrelated and nonsensical drivel? The developer made promises, the media and town made promises, I know what i hear, see and read. Seems that you (all) live in a fantasy land where nothing can be amiss. And, yes this board is a reflection of the people is town. I bet most of the regulars who post are closely related to AP happenings. Too close to the fire I guess to be open minded to outsiders observations. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: Hey New Bee, YOU WAKE UP If you think that you can judge the character of a place or its people by what is typed on a board, you are dillusional. Go hang out downtown and get a bite to eat at some of the nice restaurants or shop in the eclectic stores on Cookman. Enjoy the beautiful beach and boardwalk. Revel in the diversity of people and get to know them face to face. Until you do i would rather you reserve judgement. You complain and make judgements about timelines. Don't knock someone who is actually doing something when you have the audacity to be lazy enough to judge a whole community by what is typed on a board by the same 15 people. Dan S. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Thank God Its Over What a huge huge bad impression the posts on this board have made. I cant believe the crap that came from some of you. Completely changed my impression of the caliber of people in AP. No wonder AP has been sooo messed up for sooo long. OK, so I'm a outsider, My opinion doesn't count... Right? Wake up, this is a publicly readable board and if you think the past weeks have made a good impression and will encourage people to visit AP
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
I don't know enough about what your asking to even comment. But it sounds like it would fit into the budget talk that Gabbi wanted to have. From what I have gathered AP is in deep sh*t financially. Someone posted about the role of the chamber of commerce and the downtown. Seems to me that cutting expenses and letting non government folks do the marketing would make sense. In my town there is a very active downtown association that organizes events. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one Newb: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/42264 Even after posting that uniquely Asbury Park topic, people came on to complain about the national politics posting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
OOps sorry I just responded, I think its an economic issue. If it goes back to politics I'm OUT. I do see the pattern of wanting to stir the pot just for the h**ll of it. The archives are an interesting read. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't worry about it, Newbee. It's NOT really about AP. It's about culture wars being imposed on Asbury Park from the outside: Kwanzaa vs. Columbus Day, tangents to Merry Christmas vs. Happy Holidays, and inflammatory remarks about an elected official here in town. The majority of us who live here have long ago dismissed all of the above; they're not serious issues for this town; they're just divisive. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
Wasn't it you that wanted to talk about the budget? Am I mistaken? Like I said, this seems like an economics issue. AP is broke$$$ from what I hear. Shouldn't they cut all these expenses and encourage the business community to take up the cause? That takes the town being selective of certain religious/cultural support out of the picture. Last report was that you are $13 million in the hole from non-redevelopment. OOps there's that timetable again. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think its pretty reasonable to have a discussion on this. If people gripe about Columbus day its reasonable to talk about this. I had no idea it was an issue until recently someone gleefully told me they were supporting it particularly because it always gets people up in arms. See how we behave? It seems like a cultural event, not a religious one. Would it make sense to consider how an event reflects the culture of the town that celebrates it? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 11/8/2008 9:02:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, justifiedright@ writes: Well Mario, not everyone was here in years past. I would like to hear from new people about what they think. == In 2008, there were 44 new members to this group. Only 6 of them have become active participants: 4 only occasionally, and 5 are decidedly against competitive argument for the sake of argument. **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol? redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
I never really knew what the term Straw-Man meant. This is great and very informative : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man Carefully presenting and refuting a weakened form of an opponent's argument is not always itself a fallacy. It can refocus the scope of an argument or be a legitimate step of a proof by exhaustion. In contrast the straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern: 1. Person A has position X. 2. Person B ignores X and instead presents position Y. Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including: Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.[1] Quoting an opponent's words out of context i.e., choosing quotations that are not representative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy and quote mining).[2] Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender and then refuting that person's arguments, thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.[1] Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticized, such that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking the simplified version. 3. Person B attacks position Y. 4. Person B draws a conclusion that X is false/incorrect/flawed. This sort of reasoning is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/9/2008 9:49:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is Mario who refuses to take a postion on Kwanzaa as he bashed Columbus Day, as he as no fear of looking anti-America but is deathly fearful of looking anti-African. Personalizing. Nesting issues, like the Russian dolls. Inflaming: anti-America Pseudo-analyzing my motives: fearful of looking anti-African. Straw Man falsifying ad infinitum Sun's up and shining, so enough for now. But Pete has graciously extended the window on politics until Wednesday, so if the divisive posts continue, I'll have three more days to deconstruct and shed some light. ;-) . **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol? redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
Holy Smokes Batman. There it is... the Straw-Man... Right after I find the definition.. How about that for timing ? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Told everyone Mario won't address the issue. He's against Columbus Day, but for Kwanzaa, but against Christmas. Apparantly so is Councilman Keady. No evenly applied standard - just make value judgements on whole groups of people. Bye Bye diversity - only certain groups are welcomed in Asbury Park. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
Someone else posted the characterization of... ---Argument-For-Arguments-Sake--- And needing to be right .. I'm seeing it now... maybe the reason for your handle 'Justifiedright' Man I'm getting a real enlightening through the archives. There are/were some very well informed intellegent people on this board. I don't understand the predisposition to discount and marginalize them. Along with that some real tunnel vision also. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newbie and AsburyCouple, By Strawman you two are alleging that I have misstated Mario's position. The sure test of that is for Mario to state it to see if it is different than I said. You two however, having thrown the allegation at me, are then asserting you know his position. So prove yourself right. State Mario's position. Compare and contrast to what I said it was to show how what I said is different. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Those kind of tactics in his arguments is why for the most part I've stopped getting into political discussions with Tom on the board. It just gets old... Unfortunate, because stepping past the BS I believe he has much to add... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: Observe below. The tactic of introducing words never uttered: clam up and insists. The Straw Man technique. Another apple of discord from the Temple of Eris. In a message dated 11/9/2008 9:41:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, justifiedright@ writes: Hey Newb, Tell me how you define stirring the pot and discussing an issue. You are a person with a lot to say. Don't clam up because Mario insists you do. **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol? redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here Is An Asbury Park Discussion!
I'm really can't figure you out... Where did you get sarcastic from ?? I was asking if you were to one who asked about the budget, A simple yes or no would be fine. I can't give you insight as I know nothing about it. Other than what i said. My understanding is that AP is $13 Million short due to redevelopment not being done. If someone , like you say 'more knowledgeable' can speak to that fine. Shouldn't the business community be doing the marketing under the circumstances? I dont know way you want to continue arguing with me I though we agreed to disagree? You are fine with things not finished. I was told they would be finished. Why don't you just look up the records yourself? And bringing up werner who seems, from the archives, to know more than anyone about what has gone on serves what purpose? This is why its so frustrating on this board, noone seems to stay on topic. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can only discuss the budget with others willing to discuss it. Did you respond to my request for some insight on the budget? sarcasm doesn't really work well in genuine dialogue. And as far as the more knowledgeable people on the board go redevelopment is not supposed to be finished at the moment. Are you like werner, projecting your own failure to finish projects onto others? We'll never know, because you need to be anonymous. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Wasn't it you that wanted to talk about the budget? Am I mistaken? Like I said, this seems like an economics issue. AP is broke$$$ from what I hear. Shouldn't they cut all these expenses and encourage the business community to take up the cause? That takes the town being selective of certain religious/cultural support out of the picture. Last report was that you are $13 million in the hole from non-redevelopment. OOps there's that timetable again. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
I'm not mocking it. I'm pointing out that if AP wants to attract repeat visitors who spend $$$ it would be better not to misrepresent what to expect. As to evidence, just do some research as I said. The NY Times, The Coaster, The Asbury Park Press, The Star ledger... This boards archives, Online Blogs. Even a member here, dasher (?) said it was a marketing ploy to drum up hype. Well hype with no substance leads to disappointment. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: newbee...EVERYONE with opinions likes to be right! You keep mocking the failure of the BW to be finished even though there isn't anything solid that says it was meant to be finished. You are just as attached to being right as anyone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
What is wrong with you ? I did go downtown, I did shop, I did enjoy the boards and beach. I had a good time, I told you (all) that previously. None of that good experience has anything to do with my observations that AP just did not live up to advertised expectations. Is that not clear?? The media reported that the beach would be finished by Memorial day - That was what the developer himself said. I didn't make the promise. I asume from your past posts that you are a local. Doesn't it concern you that you are being lied to? Doesn't it concern you that visitors come and go somewhat surprised and disappointed with the lack of completion ? What is wrong with you that you write such unrelated and nonsensical drivel? The developer made promises, the media and town made promises, I know what i hear, see and read. Seems that you (all) live in a fantasy land where nothing can be amiss. And, yes this board is a reflection of the people is town. I bet most of the regulars who post are closely related to AP happenings. Too close to the fire I guess to be open minded to outsiders observations. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey New Bee, YOU WAKE UP If you think that you can judge the character of a place or its people by what is typed on a board, you are dillusional. Go hang out downtown and get a bite to eat at some of the nice restaurants or shop in the eclectic stores on Cookman. Enjoy the beautiful beach and boardwalk. Revel in the diversity of people and get to know them face to face. Until you do i would rather you reserve judgement. You complain and make judgements about timelines. Don't knock someone who is actually doing something when you have the audacity to be lazy enough to judge a whole community by what is typed on a board by the same 15 people. Dan S. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Thank God Its Over What a huge huge bad impression the posts on this board have made. I cant believe the crap that came from some of you. Completely changed my impression of the caliber of people in AP. No wonder AP has been sooo messed up for sooo long. OK, so I'm a outsider, My opinion doesn't count... Right? Wake up, this is a publicly readable board and if you think the past weeks have made a good impression and will encourage people to visit AP you are out of your minds. I turned some friends on to the group thinking they could back me up about the importance of visual impressions and the delivering what was promised. WoW... did they get a wakeup reading all that crap. They, and I'm sure many lurkers, or just people who got here by google are shocked by the nastiness and will not even think of visiting now. Does it matter? Is the beach done yet? . Lets see, it was supposed to be last Memorial day. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
But there is a group for that from what I understand. Why is that crap still posted here when people have asked for it to stop. Even the moderator who seems to have washed has hands of the whole group started moderating in the past because there was no self control. It just shows a complete lack of courtesy and self control by those involved. I for one would like to talk and hear about AP things. If I want to hear about politics I go to a politics board. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure Newbie, the personalizing in the political discussion was no fun to read. You will find that behavior on the board even when discussing AP matters. Unless you are willing to point out the personalizing when someone does it, you are going to have to get used to it. I suggest you simply post the word personalizing when someone does it so perhaps they get the hint to stop. That being said, its been an Asbury Park problem that the City operates in a vaccum with no regard to politics and events outside its borders which affect the City, particularly on the County and State level. Asbury's failure to react properly to the building of the Parkway, air conditioned cars, the desire of Ocean Township to have its own High School, the closing of Marlboro Hospital and the rise of the Malls (to name a few) are all examples of AP keeping its head in the sand about events outside the City that greatly affected it. Talking about the national election was certainly important to AP, as important as when we talk of national financial trends. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Thank God Its Over What a huge huge bad impression the posts on this board have made. I cant believe the crap that came from some of you. Completely changed my impression of the caliber of people in AP. No wonder AP has been sooo messed up for sooo long. OK, so I'm a outsider, My opinion doesn't count... Right? Wake up, this is a publicly readable board and if you think the past weeks have made a good impression and will encourage people to visit AP you are out of your minds. I turned some friends on to the group thinking they could back me up about the importance of visual impressions and the delivering what was promised. WoW... did they get a wakeup reading all that crap. They, and I'm sure many lurkers, or just people who got here by google are shocked by the nastiness and will not even think of visiting now. Does it matter? Is the beach done yet? . Lets see, it was supposed to be last Memorial day. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] WoW - TGIO
Thank God Its Over What a huge huge bad impression the posts on this board have made. I cant believe the crap that came from some of you. Completely changed my impression of the caliber of people in AP. No wonder AP has been sooo messed up for sooo long. OK, so I'm a outsider, My opinion doesn't count... Right? Wake up, this is a publicly readable board and if you think the past weeks have made a good impression and will encourage people to visit AP you are out of your minds. I turned some friends on to the group thinking they could back me up about the importance of visual impressions and the delivering what was promised. WoW... did they get a wakeup reading all that crap. They, and I'm sure many lurkers, or just people who got here by google are shocked by the nastiness and will not even think of visiting now. Does it matter? Is the beach done yet? . Lets see, it was supposed to be last Memorial day. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
What a rediculous comparison, maybe you dont realize that the redevelopment of the waterfront is an act created by your own government. Its acres of land and millions of dollars in the balance for the public - that would be YOU. You should be a bit pissed off about how its all been handled. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Jack, Buy an old house in AP and use your dollars to bring it back to its historical past. Its easier to have balls with someone else's money. Dan --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: The city council, but it feels like they are under the MM spell. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting pressure on them to explain what happened. That seems to be the common thread in many different frustrations and controversies. So whose responsibility is it to call them out? And whose responsibility is it to call THOSE people out for not calling MM out? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
You are really hitting a nail there... whats wrong with AP that blinds people to the obvious? Something in the water they serve? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, but Jack's original post to which I was responding was complaining about (along with some aesthetic issues) the lack of adherence to agreements. He mentioned the bandshell. Apparently (according to Maureen's tape of the council meeting several weeks back) MM/Partners or some derivation thereof was supposed to, as part of the WRA, have at least started to restore the bandshell to working order by this summer. That hasn't happened and doesn't look like it ever will. So there's an example of a promise made and broken with, apparently, no explanation for the citizenry on whose behalf the city signed the WRA. I don't think this is about being ballsy with someone else's money. If in fact the economic downturn has caused a delay in construction, that's perfectly legitimate and understandable. But why can't the developer send a representative to the council meeting and explain to the council, with the citizenry listening, why that delay is happening and what the company is doing to address it? Instead, Werner asks a perfectly legitimate question and is rebuffed (by Sammett was it?) with some obfuscation about plans being supplanted and no visible effort on the part of the council to demand a public explanation from MM/Partners. Remember also that, unless I'm mistaken, the WRA doesn't stipulate that once all the pavilions and the Casino are rebuilt and making money that MM donate them all back to the city and leave town like some good Samaritan. Unlike an individual homeowner, this is a multimillion dollar company with dozens of develoments throughout the country. They're in town to make money - lots of it - for a very, very long time. And if they do, it will be because the city (again, on behalf of the citizenry) provided them that opportunity. So why doesn't MM/Partners show as much deference toward their hosts as the hosts have shown toward them? Everyone who lives or owns a business in Asbury Park has the right to expect the city council to hold MM/Partner accountable when it comes to signed agreements, regardless of whether they rent or own. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: No, obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion. And in some cases the suggestions are good. I'm just pointing out that i have noticed a trend on this board. Generally, the people who have put a lot of time and money into their homes in the town are cautiously optimistic while those who don't, do the most complaining. I think the group that has invested time and money realizes that things take time because they have experience with that in their own places. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: So, because it's other people's money means it's ok to do sneaky things like eliminate a historic band shell, and allow ugly, pedestrian architecture. I didn't realize life was that simple and without accountability. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: Hey Jack, Buy an old house in AP and use your dollars to bring it back to its historical past. Its easier to have balls with someone else's money. Dan --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: The city council, but it feels like they are under the MM spell. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting pressure on them to explain what happened. That seems to be the common thread in many different frustrations and controversies. So whose responsibility is it to call them out? And whose responsibility is it to call THOSE people out for not calling MM out? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: downtown
I'll chime in on the downtown... It seems to also be a work-in- progress... BUT it is working and does look and feel like a downtown. From what I know it was not kicked off as a redevelopment it was started by a few ballsy guys with money that saw the opportunity. Private enterprise at work, completely different than the waterfront - a government directed and managed mess. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jandlinap jandlinap@ wrote: ...and put the local effort into downtown... and let the boys with the big money play with the boardwalk That big money also plays a vital role in the rest of the downtown and the rest of the city. job creation, major events (which in turn role over or could, into downtown). The beach and boardwalk are like having a convention center or a ballfield. The downtown has to play off of that AND what it can do for itself. The city as a whole has to control the image and get past we vs them. Throughout history the downtown and boardwalk always wondered what the other was up to. MM marketing plans and those of their merchants may or may not benfit the downtown or it will. The people they draw and how they maintain their businesses will have (does have) a direct impact on the impression on the rest of the city. The downtown leaves an impression as does main street, memorial drive, asbury ave and springwood and every other street in the city. The best way to see what I mean is to hop on a bike, your feet or if you have to, a car and drive EVERY street in Asbury. PS, Asbury Park is also on the west side of the tracks, runs down Asbury Ave to Ridge. It's the southwest. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: downtown
That short blurb is a gem - right on the money... anyone who ever studied marketing will see the validaty of it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jandlinap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you... my concern is not about me... my responsibility is to get you to come in the door..once you get to Asbury Park... I think it is the responsibility of a chamber(not just here but everywhere)...and a city to market the city to bring people to the streets. We are positioned to really move ahead...This economy is difficult...but could be used for our advantage...if people want to stay closer to home...we have great destinations...we need to market our great city to those outside of a 20mile radius...and we need to re educate those within the 20 mile radius that AP is safe...still a stigma... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jandlinap jandlinap@ wrote: - and you do a great job of marketing your business. It's part of your costs. If you contribute to the chamber as well, that provides additonal reach via amount of available $ (it should). No one is ever going to agree. What if someone eats at another place and not yours? Were your $ wasted? Again, the boardwalk and downtown throughout history always competed. The boardwalk merchants wanted people on the boardwalk and downtown merchants want people downtown. You serve a brunch. You should be able to have early morning bech goers.. if people are here on summer days ro nice weekends, most like to see water. X number of people will come to water to eat. You need an overflow of X's, not so nice beach weather or other means of getting people to the downtown. Coupons might work for off hours or summer afternoons. People. I sell stuff (mostly information) on the Internet. I need lots of information. I need lots of vistors. The more vistors I have, the more money I have a CHANCE of making. Repeat vistors might be used to the infomrmation and use the site differently then a new vistor and therefore, not buy or search the way I want. Same as a new vistor or repeat vistor to the boardwalk - or the downtown. It's possible that some people will always go back to the same place to eat -others will experiment. It's a basic business model. You need people or traffic. A % of them will buy from you. I might see 6-7%. That's if I have 3,000 vistors or 10,000 or 30,000. I am spending time, and money to increase that. Here's another example. For the asburyboardalk.com website, I have spent over $1500 advertising it. Why? It ranks among the top in all search results already..BUT, my ad, with that limited budget has appears over TWO MILLION times on numerous websites with a small % actaully clicking it and coming to the website. So wants in it for me? Good question. I run my ads for real estate. And, as a public service ): , I have a fairly upto date dining guide and club guide etc. I think I asked the chamber to contribute towards advertising on the website because $100 / month TOTAL goes along way. I know how many people look at the dining guide and events (which should be expanded...). Good food, good prices and good atomsphere go along way to repeat business. Keep it up. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
You really have no clue what Im talking about... romantic childhood memories I have no memories of AP - what I do have is the media telling me that AP is coming back - telling me that as far back as 2001 or so. AP was on national television, in the Press, Springsteen had concerts there to celebrate. Im not measuring the present against any memories, but against what the hype and plan that was advertised. You /me/everyone was promised that the waterfront would be finished my now - its not even close. You obviously also have no clue about architecture, or maybe you have no clue about what the bandstand building looked like when it was built. In any case open your head and stop just having fun as you said for a bit - take in all the observations of others and maybe something will click. I have every right to be disappointed in AP - and the reasons are obvious and valid. Dont brush it off as o, just some outsider unhappy. Its outsiders coming there to spend money that may very well save your a$$ instead of 10,000 condos. They better leave there happy and impressed or they are not coming back. ps - Ill come down for HW or TH and check if everything is finished - LOL --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newbee...not sure what to say to you. the board is small minded, asbury is a joke to you, you don't live here and havent been in a while. i just don't get your presence here then. asbury doesn't need to be a pacifier to all those with romantic childhood memories. i never thought i would be in the position of defending a developer, but i would like people to think about what it takes to open the number of businesses they are linked to, create the number of jobs in those businesses and deal with the politics, red tape and suspicious citizens, and the legacy of widespread corruption and decay. i don't see MM as any sort of Saviour, but lets be real...what would AP look like right now without them? about the bandstand...what are the *^ facts? why would there have been repair if it was doomed? i have asked this before. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
You really want to make where people are from in relation to their opinions/observations an issue dont you ? Why ?? Cant see that its not relevant ? I thought that topic was put to rest on this group in the past - locals vs nonlocals. As to my name - I'm New ... LOL Thought the issue on annonimity was also addressed. Its OK. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know? And what's your name? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
I was refering to the PRESS as an establishment not a particular publication. FYI - the New York Times and NBC TV and Radio ...etc, all hyped the coming back of AP...maybe you missed all that. Q - when did you hear about AP and what is your time stamp of reference ? That could explain alot about our differing observations. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: You really have no clue what Im talking about... romantic childhood memories I have no memories of AP - what I do have is the media telling me that AP is coming back - telling me that as far back as 2001 or so. AP was on national television, in the Press, Springsteen had concerts there to celebrate. So you believe American Mainstream Media? Pretty deluded. You bank on what the APP says. Doubly deluded. Anyone in AP knows not to pay much attention to the APP unless you need a sports score or a lottery number. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
Someone let me know that on the AP gay list no one talks about redeveopment, the city, planning, the budget or anything else that requires critical thought. Home repairs, things for sale, fun things to do... I'm told are the hot topics. Perhaps requiring everyone to ID themselves leads to neutering the opinions ... have to follow the clique you know... get invited to the parties... right? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thought the issue on annonimity was also addressed. Its OK. BTW...someone let me know that on the AP gay list anonymity is not allowed. Has that ever been considered an option for this list? It seems reasonable to believe it would add a little integrity to the list. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
What are you a psycologist? constant need to criticize others... Where did you get that from? I said I was disappointed that the waterfront was not finished as advertised. That the architecture chosen was horrible. The cargo boxes are rediculous and the bandstand building should look like it was designed and orginally built. You call that constant need to criticize others... Perhaps its you that have issues? from having grown up there and being blind to the big picture. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: You really want to make where people are from in relation to their opinions/observations an issue dont you ? Why ?? Cant see that its not relevant ? Not relevant? Are you capable of ANY self reflection? There are lots of towns that you could be from that would tell us a lot about your constant need to criticize others. You know what they say about pointing fingers... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
ALERT ! AP is part of Monmouth County, part of New Jersey, Part of the USA, part of the World. I dont need to live there to see whats going on. Very myopic opinion you have. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What explains our observations is radically different perceptions on life in general. I am grateful I don't share yours. Oh and YOU DON'T LIVE HERE. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
OK - lets explore that... You are living there, part of the community and view things from that perspective, day to day, seeing small incrimental changes in the positive direction, busy managing you life, work etc. Partaking in the events. Your postings indicated you are content to have fun and not know much about redevelopment or architecture. I dont live there, but the internet gives me access to volumes of information. Im not interested in the day to day stuff or having fun there all the time. I am interested in going someplace that has character and history. A place that is part of American culture where I can see icons and feel like great care was taken to respect the place. Thats where I like to spend my $$$. Yes apperances and expectations are everything to me and every other $$$ spending person that may chooses to visit. That explains our differing perspective more than eanything, You seem to want to hold AP for yourself and the others like you that live there. Open up and let others in and take in there observations, things you may not even care or think about. .follow--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to add more, please excuse. Most importantly what you don't experience here and I am guessing you never will is the COMMUNITY. Perfect? no way, but what community is? You don't talk to the people walking around, you don't have the pleasure of knowing some of the staff at the restaurants and bars, you don't experience any of the many community orgs that give this place such an incredible amount of soul and caring. You don't know anything about the incredible people who give their all to the sports teams. Danny McKee comes to mind. Do you even know anything about the Bike Church? What about Artscap? Have you ever been to the Crane House? What about any of the incredible churches? How many times have you heard music hear? I can't count the number of times I have. Did you ever see dolphins from the BB? How about dance there during Road Trip with a full moon, fireworks and great music? I am leaving out far more than exists in terms of the people and organizations that make up this extraordinary place. But you wouldn't know anything about that because all you care about is what you want it to look like. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Now that is just not born out by the reality since 2000. Just look up Abury Park redevelopment in your favorite search engine. What are you a city PR guy? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The redevelopment has been handled wonderfully by the administration in Asbury Park. The strides that have been taken were written off as impossible for many years by the business community and the political community. By any objective account the redevelopment is a great success. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: What a rediculous comparison, maybe you dont realize that the redevelopment of the waterfront is an act created by your own government. Its acres of land and millions of dollars in the balance for the public - that would be YOU. You should be a bit pissed off about how its all been handled. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: Hey Jack, Buy an old house in AP and use your dollars to bring it back to its historical past. Its easier to have balls with someone else's money. Dan --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: The city council, but it feels like they are under the MM spell. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting pressure on them to explain what happened. That seems to be the common thread in many different frustrations and controversies. So whose responsibility is it to call them out? And whose responsibility is it to call THOSE people out for not calling MM out? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Type Asbury Park Redevelopment into search engine. Go to News Start at year 2000 Read --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ Im not measuring the present against any memories, but against what the hype and plan that was advertised. You /me/everyone was promised that the waterfront would be finished my now - its not even close. It was promised the plan would be finished by NOW!?!? Did you read the plan, Newbie? It's a 30 year contract. Where did you get the idea it would be finished by now? Show me the exaact source that said that (besides you right now). You obviously also have no clue about architecture, or maybe you have no clue about what the bandstand building looked like when it was built. It looked like a monstrosity of bad archetecture, the same as it looks today. One of the worst moves the City made was bowing to the Nostalgia Nazi by keeping it standing. Another missed opportuntity to build somehting new and extraordinary in favor of the dead hand control of the past. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Again, another rational observation from a local. (I keep pointing that out fot gabbi who seems to think I should have no say becaose of not being there) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. I've never really thought about it that way as I'm merely a renter. When I complain about the boardwalk, I do it just on an esthetic level combined with my desire to see our AP boardwalk really stand out, which I don't think it currently does. It's really not wonderful enough to be labeled a destination in my opinion because it still looks like a work in progress, and we've had so much wasted time pass by. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: No, obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion. And in some cases the suggestions are good. I'm just pointing out that i have noticed a trend on this board. Generally, the people who have put a lot of time and money into their homes in the town are cautiously optimistic while those who don't, do the most complaining. I think the group that has invested time and money realizes that things take time because they have experience with that in their own places. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: So, because it's other people's money means it's ok to do sneaky things like eliminate a historic band shell, and allow ugly, pedestrian architecture. I didn't realize life was that simple and without accountability. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: Hey Jack, Buy an old house in AP and use your dollars to bring it back to its historical past. Its easier to have balls with someone else's money. Dan --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: The city council, but it feels like they are under the MM spell. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting pressure on them to explain what happened. That seems to be the common thread in many different frustrations and controversies. So whose responsibility is it to call them out? And whose responsibility is it to call THOSE people out for not calling MM out? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
Earlier in the year, road trip time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When is the last time you were here? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: What are you a psycologist? constant need to criticize others... Where did you get that from? I said I was disappointed that the waterfront was not finished as advertised. That the architecture chosen was horrible. The cargo boxes are rediculous and the bandstand building should look like it was designed and orginally built. You call that constant need to criticize others... Perhaps its you that have issues? from having grown up there and being blind to the big picture. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: You really want to make where people are from in relation to their opinions/observations an issue dont you ? Why ?? Cant see that its not relevant ? Not relevant? Are you capable of ANY self reflection? There are lots of towns that you could be from that would tell us a lot about your constant need to criticize others. You know what they say about pointing fingers... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
What are you a psycologist??? ...constant need to critcize others... Wher did you get that from, I commented on being disappointed that the waterfront is not what it was advertised to be and that the architecture chosen leaves much to be desired. Also that the cargo boxes are rediculous and that the bandstand building should have been restored as it was designed and built. You call that ...constant need to critcize others... Time for you to look at yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: You really want to make where people are from in relation to their opinions/observations an issue dont you ? Why ?? Cant see that its not relevant ? Not relevant? Are you capable of ANY self reflection? There are lots of towns that you could be from that would tell us a lot about your constant need to criticize others. You know what they say about pointing fingers... I thought that topic was put to rest on this group in the past - locals vs nonlocals. As to my name - I'm New ... LOL Thought the issue on annonimity was also addressed. Its OK. Of course its OK. Cowardice and the need to hide are completely OK..Thanks for giving me the opp to point it out to you..coward. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: Anyone know? And what's your name? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Well someone 'gets it' ... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gab, Your missing a very significant aspect of Asbury Park. Many people have never been here yet follow the news and care about the City. Its reasonable to have expectations based upon the news hype thats put out. Most likely you have not followed the workings here as long as others who may not even live here ? By all accounts this entire redevelopment should be completed by now. Thats what the public was/is told. Is it any wonder that a visitor is disappointed by shipping containers, vacant lots, monotonous architecture and little to show for all the hype? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for AP not being finished...I am simply in no position to judge anyones timeline. i don't know many people who are. and i have too much fun here to care. about timelines. I am a fan of slow growth whether it is planned that way, or the universe steps in and forces it Not Caring...Having Fun...Well that explains your attutude. Titanic ...Band Playing Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for AP not being finished...I am simply in no position to judge anyones timeline. i don't know many people who are. and i have too much fun here to care. about timelines. I am a fan of slow growth whether it is planned that way, or the universe steps in and forces it Not caring, Having fun.. OK that explains your attutude. Titanic - band playing.. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't get where you are coming from. Do you live here? Own property here? you haven't been here is several months? if you haven't been here is several months, whats your gripe and what do you care? you sound like one of those freaks on APP boards curiously bent on badmouthing AP. Y, you sure don't 'get it' that's a fact, glad you cleared that up. I've read your/that attitude in this group before, that anyone not local or in the clique gets no credibility. Thats the problem with AP, too many small minded people not willing to take advice or learn from others experiences. I don't need to be there, or own a house there, or come down often, to care. There are millions of people like me and we have money to spend to go to interesting unique places. Don't you realize that just the name Asbury Park is recognized by millions ? When years of hype have been spent and years of supposed rebuilding done, don't you see how your reality doesn't match the advertized product. AP is a product you know, and it's not what was advertized. You obviously haven't been enjoying it here. i have, and i am not alone. I am sorry AP isn't bringing you pleasure or a return or whatever you are looking for. i moved here because i love it. still do, with all its imperfections. i am more in love all the time. that doesn't mean i don't think the budget should be looked at etc..but love is more in spite of than because of. Contrary, I had a good time, my comments were about the environment and the treatment its getting. Along with the lack of meeting expectations. That bandshell building is a perfect example. You have a building that is authentic space age '60s and it survived as originally designed until your developers got a hold of it and ruined it. If you dont see the destructive effects on your own attractions then I can't explain it to you. I also mentioned the container buildings and the fact that all the real buildings are just stuccoed over like a generic strip mall. There are not 'imperfections' these are major mistakes. AP had so much potential but chose, or allowed, a low standard of rebuilding. Get out of town and see what good design and treatment looks like in other places. come down. ill meet you for a tea, drink, tour of our beautiful unfinished little city. No thanks, I think we would just get into an argument. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Lots of expectations ??? AP has been advertizeing ITSELF for years. Perhaps it should have been - 'Come on down, we're no where near finished, messed up a perfectly beautiful beachfront with cargo containers and stucco. Thanks for visiting, Condos will not be finished in your lifetime. I repeat, I did have a good time, thats different from meeting expectations. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand that people with lots of expectations and inflexibility are going to be disappointed and dissatisfied a lot. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: doesn't your post sorta prove that you aren't ignoring the trolls? I learned this great trick when i was nannying for three monsters. Distraction. The mom taught me. Start a more interesting AP related post when the kids go at it. Pointing it all out does nothing. Telling me to shut up doesn't work. Freedom to express is more important than anyone of us being free from annoying posts. Besides the skirmishes are funny sometimes. We all have to tolerate something. Whether it be politics, the non ap slippage etc...I have to tolerate the niggling about scaffolding, unfinished BW work etc. and Newbee...i dont think i have seen you contribute other than WTF. i could be wrong. what do YOU want to talk about? === I've never contrubuted to hostilities, I ignore the bait. Yes you are wrong... if you search the group archives you would see that i visited AP several months ago after being subjected to all the positive hype about how its been rebuilt,restored,remade, blah,blah,blah. What a huge disapointment.. i posted my thoughts about how could so little have been done in 6 or 7 years...i wrote about the horrible treatment of the bandshell building and how cheap the container buildings and monotonous stucco looked. There is something seriously wrong down there and the locals seem to be blind to it...the popular chants being 'its better than it was' and 'so much has improved in the last year' or 'give it time'. I think you all need to get out and go someplace where real redevelopment happens, it doesn't take years, glorify shipping containers, stucco over historic buildings or drive the town into financial ruin. Last i heard the entire beachfront was supposed to be done by memorial day, it wasn't, then i heard labor Day.. it it all done ??? I'll come down for Halloween or Thanksgiving and see for myself how much progress has been made... or not. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: doesn't your post sorta prove that you aren't ignoring the trolls I learned this great trick when i was nannying for three monsters. Distraction. The mom taught me. Start a more interesting AP related post when the kids go at it. Pointing it all out does nothing. Telling me to shut up doesn't work. Freedom to express is more important than anyone of us being free from annoying posts. Besides the skirmishes are funny sometimes. We all have to tolerate something. Whether it be politics, the non ap slippage etc...I have to tolerate the niggling about scaffolding, unfinished BW work etc. I've never contributed to hostilities, I ignore the bait. and Newbee...i dont think i have seen you contribute other than WTF. i could be wrong. what do YOU want to talk about? Yes you are wrong... if you search the group archives you would see that i visited AP several months ago after being subjected to all the positive hype about how its been rebuilt,restored,remade, blah,blah,blah. What a huge disapointment.. i posted my thoughts about how could so little have been done in 6 or 7 years...i wrote about the horrible treatment of the bandshell building and how cheap the container buildings and monotonous stucco looked. There is something seriously wrong down there and the locals seem to be blind to it...the popular chants being 'its better than it was' and 'so much has improved in the last year' or 'give it time'. I think you all need to get out and go someplace where real redevelopment happens, it doesn't take years, glorify shipping containers, stucco over historic buildings or drive the town into financial ruin. Last i heard the entire beachfront was supposed to be done by Memorial day, it wasn't, then i heard Labor Day... it it all done ??? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] OMG - WTF - Again !
Came to read up on AP...what do I find...the group has imploded. I thought the moderator issued a warning about flooding the place with political and non-AP rants...he even dropped me a note after my last WTF to explain it wasn't normal (thanks). 50 mesages in row under (Re: Interesting AP Press Letter) started by justifiedright. In reading the prior episodes like this is seems he has a disposition toward being a chat group troll. Whenever discussions get back to AP there's politcal or religious bait thrown out there that stirs up the whole mess again and again. This is becoming an unpleasant argument group. Why not take this crap to the asburypolitics or allthingsasbury groups??? Ignore the trolls !! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] What a strange place
Been lurking for a while and can only think - WTF ??? A politics discussion gets the group on moderated status (didn't your moms ever tell you not to discuss politics or religion? - too volatile in a group setting) Then someone wants to talk about city economics and ends up getting cursed at and called elitist. (some very nasty people on the group) A suggestion is made to demolish a building because 'bad people' are there - leading to name calling when someone says the idea should really be thought out more. (its not the buildings fault) Well heres an urban renewal comment from http://www.metropolismag.com/cda/story.php?artid=1934 -- JHK: What are your thoughts on what has happened to American cities? JJ: It's a tragedya totally unnecessary tragedy. JHK: The destruction continues. -- Is the beachfront finished yet as promised? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Complaints? Negativity?
I laid back for a while to see where the talk would go to. Why is it that any mention of making things better is usually flagged as a complaint? I always though that being critical of things tends to make them better. No wonder Asbury is in such a mess, noone wants to take advice or admit that mistakes have been made. Going with the flow even when its not in the best direction seems to be the normal MO. Has Asbury lost control of its own future, I certainly was shocked to see so little accomplished after hearing about the rebirth for years. More recently, didnt they make a commitment to have the entire beachfront done by Memorial Day? Its almost Labor Day. I brought up the bad architecture and the answer was: its fine, its better than a year ago, lets see where it goes. Well it looks like its going nowhere. (thanks webcam and flicker, etc) Now the types of shops are an issue, rightfully so. Are the Porta- Potties gone yet? They were so tacky and low class along with the freight containers. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This weekend's pictures
This is what I dont get. Why does everyone (almost everyone) measure things by 'its better then it was' when there are obvious problems with whats being done? Seems that anything is accepted and saying that its bad or could be better gets you flagged as not going along with the project. I didnt see how bad it was so am looking at things as what they are not what they were. Guess thats the problem with being in Asbury a long time you lose sight of what good work and design are supposed to look like. Very strange considering the minority opinion, if paid attention to, would make Asbury much better. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: like i said 50/50 so far... theyre better than what was there, but the architecture is very very subpar. i appreciate the shops and stores much more than the buildings. and the 5th ave pavilions appearance saddens me. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This weekend's pictures
From what I have seen in other places the common thread is that they are developers, not good neighbors. The best developments are when the local community keeps a tight leash (control) on whats being done. There have been many comments here about accountability and process. Its quite a long mess in the making from what I gather in reading the old posts. I was not prepared to be so disappointed when finally visiting. I thought everything was done and done well after all these years. I still dont understand how some can say its only been a year or so. The record here says otherwise. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's not forget that point that MM chose not to be good neighbors to the Empress with the 1st Ave pavilion also. They've pretty much destroyed the view of all the ocean side rooms now. This could've been totally avoided if they chose to build up one of the other pavilions in the same way, such as the one they are needlessly occupying. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Metal Container Shops
There are places that protect scenic and historic views. Didn't anyone think of that before putting up those shacks? I've always appreciated when I have good photo opportunities. That fortune teller place is known around the world and certainly should have been protected. Its changed for the worse. It used to be a white building and the one nextdoor (bandstand) was orange. A great classic Asbury image from the boardwalk. Now its blue with a yellow building behind it as viewed looking NW. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your point about taking that picture is a good one. People from all over the world who are Bruce fans come to Asbury to take pictures like the one you mentioned. I met one of these people once in Germany, and she has a photo album with a pic of her standing next to Madam Marie's. An entire side of that building is now obscured by a shipping container. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: That was my impression too, they are awful. This was brought up here before they were even put in. Seems really cheap and tasteless. They block the views down the street too. Madam Marie is really squeezed in now so I cant get a good classic picture anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, njshoregirlap wonderwomanator@ wrote: I'm going to Rant so be prepared folks! I haven't printed pics yet, but who ever heard of using shipping containers painted white as storefronts? My God they are hideous!!! They dot the vacant spots between the pavillions (which are looking great by the way) I am not sure how much the rent is for these hideous containers whatever it may be is too much. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: If I had the VP of ops job....
I really hope not, they really degrade the whole area. Isnt there enough space in the real buildings to run businesses? Shouldn't the developer fix up and but shops in the one they occupy, its the worst one down there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its pretty obvious that these pop up retail units are permanent. they built a mini golf around it, as well as the water park... electricity and plumbing runs to them. for all that effort, theyre probably not going anywhere. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This weekend's pictures
That's exactly what I was getting at when mentioning the views and color choices, not to mention the building styles. Is just seems so conformist, anyplace and thrown together. Did anyone notice that large blank orange wall across from the Empress? A few windows would really help that out. Guess solid walls are cheaper than windows. Like I said Cheap Cartoon Architecture. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, njshoregirlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the support sandpiper! Just to clarify, I mentioned the more urban examples of container shops to show contrast, which you understood! I read another post by a member who couldn't take a photo next to Madame Marie's due to the godawful container smack up against the side of Madam Marie's. Let's respect what we have and give careful consideration when adding structures to the streetscape! A little architectural integrity PLEASE!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This is what a tourist would want ....
It would have been great for my weekend visit if there were lockers someplace. Like in the bus and train stations of nyc. Great idea as a start if showers and changing rooms are not in the plans right now. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 rook782@ wrote: Lockers would be great for day trippers to use who come in by train. I think it would also help to increase the numbers of tourists per day. No need for parking spaces for these folks either. I really think when Asbury Park starts to build more hotels in the future that they ought to promote coming in by train and leaving your car at home. Even if you live a block or five or twney blocks away- it might be nice to clean up before heading home or heading home and coming back to enjoy the rest of the day or night. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Metal Container Shops
That was my impression too, they are awful. This was brought up here before they were even put in. Seems really cheap and tasteless. They block the views down the street too. Madam Marie is really squeezed in now so I cant get a good classic picture anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, njshoregirlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to Rant so be prepared folks! I haven't printed pics yet, but who ever heard of using shipping containers painted white as storefronts? My God they are hideous!!! They dot the vacant spots between the pavillions (which are looking great by the way) I am not sure how much the rent is for these hideous containers whatever it may be is too much. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Bandshell
Thats a great observation. I wrote before about this building but the replies indicated that people like the way it came out. Thats what I dont understand, people defending the stucco job and three color paint job. This is a real Do-Wop icon. I've never seen anything like it and can just imagine sitting on top watching the moon come up and hearing great music. I get the impression people in Asbury dont realize what they are losing in the name of progress. Other places view restoring buildings like that as progress. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Glenn took a photo that clearly illustrates that heating and a/c units have been placed where at the back of the area where the seats used to be located, as well as a huge A/C unit directly next to the stage. There's no way a perfomance can go on with that A/C unit in place, which raises the question about the future of the bandshell. The way I see it, we lost our bandshell. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
The look and style is like a mall. Everything is the same, stucco and some color badly used. Cartoon Architecture. I think time will not improve that, a lot of money has been spent. Looks like thats what your getting. The style and construction methods could be found just about anywhere. The issue in many places with chains coming in is the placenment of signs and the coorporate identity overtaking the buildings. Its usually handled with strict design codes. I guess no such thing exists for the boardwalk along with no code to restore the bandstand building. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This is what a tourist would want ....
I remember that there was a sign right when you walk into the conventon center, one of those a-frame things that sit on the ground. My experience was not good related to bathrooms, I went in one of those portable toilets on the boardwalk before finding the other one. Very tacky and low class to treat visitors that way. Every shop I stopped in said sorry no toilets, look down there I would have thought proper restrooms would be the first thing taken care of. And the idea of rentable lockers is great. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a good idea to have bathrooms in the Casino, and i suspect that will happen. Just like their are public bathrooms on the souther side of CH open to the public now. Right before the beach bar. I wonder if visitors wondering around even know their there yet? They should have a sign somewhere inside CH pointing to them. There might be profit in the ideas you speak of, but i'm pretty sure their would be more in other rental complexes. Those types of locker rooms also promote a different atmosphere for the board walk. An atmosphere i'm not so sure MM wants. ? Unless the pass picks up on the boardwalk, i don't think it will ever been that busy. Even on the hottest summer nights. There still seems to be nothing to do People who like to walk near the beach will walk, but people who came to walk the boardwalk for a good summer night may leave shortly once they find out theres nothing there... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
Hi, I thought I included your post? You were commenting on the need for mixed uses. I was agreeing with that, but then saying that it doesnt look like much has been done given the years that have gone by. I can see why there is a lot of criticism of how its been handled. I'm still thinking of the big promo with Springsteen concerts and all. The places to stay are out of my price range, as are the 'nicer' clubs and shops. The key to any good revitalization of a down and out area is a mix thats affordable. I dont see it and there is really not much entertainment wise in reality. Funny that you dont think the boardwalk looks 'cheap', perhaps you dont know what a place like the bandstand building is supposed to look like? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I'll second that, it looked to me what Ive heard about in the media did not get done. I thought Asbury was rebuilt over the last years. Looks like a long wasy to go. - first off another great weekend in AP. I am not quite sure to what you are agreeing to in my previous post? The first time I visited AP was about 14 months ago and I think the city has made significant progress since my first visit. as far as the boardwalk looking cheapI am also in disagreement, of course this is very subjective. (keep in mind that it is not finished yet). If you look at where we could or should be now based on expectaions from 2001 you could drive yourself crazyuse 1/08 or even today as your frame of reference and move forward from herefuture looks good in my opinion, why dwell on the past and be negative? i think the bottom line is that a safe, clean and interesting boardwalk, beach and city with lots of great businesses, people, music and entertainment is going to be the deciding factor on the success of the city not whether or not there is 1 or 3 colors on a building. Just my opinion. John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: the principals of the Plan are regularly violated. Don't you mean supplanted? ;) === Ah, You must have been at the Council meeting of 2 weeks ago or listened to Maureen's recording :-) DEF: (replace): dethrone, oust, replace, supersede, take over from Don Samett's explaination of why the 5th Ave Pav looks like it does. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
I listened to the audio that was posted on line and its very enlightening, a great service, thanks. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: the principals of the Plan are regularly violated. Don't you mean supplanted? ;) === Ah, You must have been at the Council meeting of 2 weeks ago or listened to Maureen's recording :-) DEF: (replace): dethrone, oust, replace, supersede, take over from Don Samett's explaination of why the 5th Ave Pav looks like it does. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Colors have nothing to do with quality! Not sure why you're
bringing that up into the case you're trying to make! :-) The
stucco used could have been done the cheap with, foam board covered
in a skim coat. That is how most stucco jobs are done today.
However, the boardwalk buildings were done the right way with multi
steps and real metal mesh.
Color has everything to do with how things are perceived and
marketed. A black building gives a different feeling than a white
building. You mis-understood what I ment by quality, i was refering
to architectural quality, although the building materials are
questionable also.
You speak about the 5th ave pavilion, the one next to CH
(Convention Hall). How is it out of place of mismatched? How does
the current building, before it was remodeled fit in with the CH?
Classical stylings next to space age modern? The only thing
matching were the orange bricks and orange details of the HOJO.
Isnt it obvious?, one end is orange, the middle is cream snd the
other end is yellow. I wasnt comparing it to the convention center,
its a building unto itself whose parts are mismatched. Cartoon
architecture. My understanding is that it had nothing to do with
HoJo (the design), but you are getting to the point, the whole
building matched originally, orange brick, details, etc.
The 5th ave pavilion is not the state capital or a classy
building. If you were to paint 2 walls of the CH different colors,
that would be maddness. However, the building you speak of was
always corky (again, before the remodel). Back when it was first
built it was space age modern, jetsons, i'm pretty sure it was ahead
of it's time back then. Imagine what people might have said about
it when it went up? Something that crazy being sat next to CH??
I'm sure there must have been quite the uproar.
Not a classy building? WoW you must not get out often {a joke}. Ive
been to a lot of places and never seen anything like that. It is
soo cool and unique, but now looks nothing like when it was designed
and built. Have you ever been to Wildwood, NJ? They really take care
of their 50s and 60s, buildings. Here they all got ruined, the
Empress is another example, I'm wondering why.
I don't think the things being done so far are cheap, but
confused may be a better way to define it. Things are not done,
nothing is completed, yet things are trying to open. They are way
behind on the dates they gave, it's a fact! But instead of
complaining about it (not you), I say let them work and try to get
things done. Of course I think the city should come up with some
sort of an agreement with MM to get some things for the boardwalk
that the city wants also. Maybe more boardwalk type food, or
other traditional boardwalk features.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
Opps, Sorry, I just read my own post and realize I didnt quite answer your specific question. I never implied that the pavilion and the center were matched or should be matched. But your question is 'how did it fit before it was remodeled'. Well its unique to Asbury. Architecture goes through phases and certain buildings from the 50s/60s are recognized as worth saving. Its a record of the life of the town and in a larger picture a record of civilization. You think everything should be plowed down or remodeled just because it can be ? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie oceanchuck@ wrote: You speak about the 5th ave pavilion, the one next to CH (Convention Hall). How is it out of place of mismatched? How does the current building, before it was remodeled fit in with the CH? Classical stylings next to space age modern? The only thing matching were the orange bricks and orange details of the HOJO. Isnt it obvious?, one end is orange, the middle is cream snd the other end is yellow. I wasnt comparing it to the convention center, its a building unto itself whose parts are mismatched. Cartoon architecture. My understanding is that it had nothing to do with HoJo (the design), but you are getting to the point, the whole building matched originally, orange brick, details, etc. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
I'll second that, it looked to me what Ive heard about in the media did not get done. I thought Asbury was rebuilt over the last years. Looks like a long wasy to go. You are so right about guality, Ive been to many places and the best show attention to detail and good presentation. I hate to say it [since i did have a good time] but things look cheap and disorganized along with being unfinished. Someone asked for an example when i mentioned the mismatched buildings, just look at the one next to the convention center. Imagine taking the US capital, or any classy building, and painting it 3 differnt colors. Orange on the left, cream in the middle and yellow on the right doesnt say quality to me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one would like a healthy mix of residential, retail and entertaiment by the boardwalkI fear that if the boardwalk becomes almost exclusively a tourist destination it will not be as enjoyable for those of us who live here or spend a bunch of time here. In my opinion a boardwalk and businesses that would end up being way over crowded would be less desirable to take advatage of. A balance of being able to support a thriving boardwalk and city with and well thought out entertainment options / festivals / events would be great.I would take quality over quantity. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
Once again Im not certain what you mean, what does available space have to do with quality architecture? The space available can be well designed buildings or not. Its still the same space. I'm refering to the buildings, but those containers are not attractive either. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I read a lot about striving for great architechture in that local paper - the TriCities. Didn't anyone care about it? There is only so much space on the boards themselves to build. They have to maximize every inch of that space. That's why you have the pop- up retail - the converted storage units. What gets developed west of ocean ave could be unique. Time will tell - might be 1, 5 or 10 years... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
They are not modern, they are cheap. Thats the new trend in todays architecture sometimes refered to as placeless design or cartoon architecture. Basics like massing, details and color are mismatched or out of scale. Certainly you have seen the trend in suburban malls and housing developments. For example the one in the middle of the beach with the blue ends, large windowless walls of a solid color. Or the really cool one by the convention center, its obvious it was a really unique building, Ive seen postcards of it. I guess I expected well designed, attractive buldings when I visited based on all the media hype. You mention brick buildings, brick has texture, creates shadow lines, has variations in color - a much better look thats traditional and interesting. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reminds me of all the classic strip malls I see getting the fake victorian make overs. Not to mention the new strip malls. Everything looks the same and fake. What? How do you think they all look the same? All the buildings are the same style, modern. But, I don't know if it's a true statement to say that anything else you see around looks like them? Use some of the previous plain yellow brick buildings as examples. How were they unique? The same style buildings can be found in near by Spring Lake. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: Why is construction on the boardwalk not finished, I understood that Memorial Day was the drop dead date ? As Forrest said, it happens Welcome. As far as the boardwalk goes, if you were never here - it's pretty amazing as what has shaped up over the past 6 months. Still a long way to go. The condos - if you can't sell them, don't build them. All those new lots are at least cleaned up and serving a purpose for now. It's not just AP, it's everywhere. Largest number of houses on the market for the longst period of time. === Thank You, Not sure what you mean be 'it happens' ? Im really impressed by the convention center, such a cool building, but the rest of the area is a disappointment. I mean, I followed all the hype years ago when it was on TV with Springsteen and all. That must be about 6 years at least. Your saying they have been working on this for only 6 months ?? What happened? The marketing and hype doesnt match the product. Multicolored concrete buildings do not pass for good architecchture, at least not in my book. Especially when considering the cool old buildings on the boards. What are they thinking? I'm a visual kind of person and it doesnt look good. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
Thanks for the background, but I still dont get it. It took 6 years to get started ?? The things you mention about reconstruction are just a normal part of any building rehab. Its done all over the place, not a big deal. You ask what kind of buidings would be good. All of your choices have some merit, some more; some less. But colored concrete cubes ??? That should not even be in the running. Reminds me of all the classic strip malls I see getting the fake victorian make overs. Not to mention the new strip malls. Everything looks the same and fake. I read a lot about striving for great architechture in that local paper - the TriCities. Didn't anyone care about it? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: at least not in my book. Especially when considering the cool old buildings on the boards. What are they thinking? I'm a visual kind of person and it doesnt look good. The past six months is when things took shape -a t elast on the BW. Convention Hall and Casino are the onyl2 old buildings on the boardwalk. 5th Ave with bandshell and the round building are from the early 60's in an attempt at the point in time to draw people or was inspired from the Worlds Fair in NYC. Modern or futuristic The first ave building was more or less dull. The 3rd ave building was crumbling apart. Since mid feb of this year, the have been rebuilt. First ave almost down to steel frame and new framing. 3rd ave all the old block, concrete, roof etc, 5th ave , CH and more. Loads of work in a short period of time. Streets, mini golf, lots. Like night and day even from last year's minor Madison Marquette participation. The question is - what type of building WOULD be correct for the boardwalk? Victorian? Modern? Futuristic, Fun? Brick, wood, stucco, glass?? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Hi - Questions
Just got permission to post, Hi Ive been reading stuff here for a long time getting excited about AP. Visited this past weekend and had a great time. But left with a few questions. Why is construction on the boardwalk not finished, I understood that Memorial Day was the drop dead date ? Also I expected lots of condos everywhere, I saw only scattered projects that looked vacant. What happened? I thought this was started several years ago and should be finished around now. Thanks Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
