Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
On 9/23/08, rajnish kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/23/08, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 23 Sep 2008, rajnish kumar wrote: [snip] I think as per as i concern Hindi is not a language of aliens if some one think that it is, then obviously all Indian's are aliens. s/all Indians/all Hindi-speaking Indians/ We /do/ have 14+ official languages, you know? -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ I am only talking about Hindi is not an aliens language you should try to understand what i am talking, that's it. with regards rajnish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ bhai ap log apas main kyo sare lad rahe ho ye sandesh to ballu bhai ke liye tha galti se ap pade likhe logo ke bich main chala gaya iske liye main kshama prathi hu. kyon ballu bhai app to samajh gaye honge. aur ha ek baat aur jis jis ko ye language samajh aa jaye samjhna wo bhai aliens hi hain namaskar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
On 9/23/08, sumit...left d stone age. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/23/08, rajnish kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/23/08, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 23 Sep 2008, rajnish kumar wrote: [snip] I think as per as i concern Hindi is not a language of aliens if some one think that it is, then obviously all Indian's are aliens. s/all Indians/all Hindi-speaking Indians/ We /do/ have 14+ official languages, you know? -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ I am only talking about Hindi is not an aliens language you should try to understand what i am talking, that's it. with regards rajnish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ bhai ap log apas main kyo sare lad rahe ho ye sandesh to ballu bhai ke liye tha galti se ap pade likhe logo ke bich main chala gaya iske liye main kshama prathi hu. kyon ballu bhai app to samajh gaye honge. aur ha ek baat aur jis jis ko ye language samajh aa jaye samjhna wo bhai aliens hi hain namaskar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
I am only talking about Hindi is not an aliens language you should try to understand what i am talking, that's it. with regards rajnish Of course it is not. Unless life came to Earth from some other planets. Arthur C Clarke once said, it did come from other planet. So, either way we all could be aliens. Some do look like aliens. Look around and you will find many (remember M.I.B.) ;-) Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am only talking about Hindi is not an aliens language you should try to understand what i am talking, that's it. with regards rajnish My question remains. Ye Ballu kaun hai? Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
Ask Pappu :) On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am only talking about Hindi is not an aliens language you should try to understand what i am talking, that's it. with regards rajnish My question remains. Ye Ballu kaun hai? Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- -- Best Regards Ajay Bramhe 9818215303 --- 9213345639 My Profile : http://www.geocities.com/ajay_bramhe2001 My Photo Gallery : http://www.flickr.com/photos/bramhe Excellence is not a singular act, but a habit. You are what you repeatedly do. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
11 , lol,,, nice thread It shows we always have a lot of time to discuss/debate on a nonsense topics and many times take humor in wrong sense,, *balu ki mahima aprampar hai* ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
*balu ki mahima aprampar hai* Narendra this is not fair. Hum abhi ballu ki mystry solve nahi kar paye thi ki aap mahima ko beech me lee aye. Ab ye mahima kaun hai? :P Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
Don't know much about mahima, may a autonomous robot from mars which is trying to establish connection to Ballu using Internet but somehow message came to us. I sure, someone who was saying it as a alien's encrypted message was probably correct. I think aliens are watching our foss activities !! :P ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
now it's goodwe can make teams to search... BALLU MAHIMA Thanks Swapnil :) -- I am wondering where is Gora. He will kill us. -- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Windblows on Software Freedom Day
On Monday 22 September 2008 01:00:18 Gora Mohanty wrote: (b) Should Sarai, as an avowedly FOSS organisation, use proprietary software in a public demo? My opinion is no, but again I believe that this should be done through peer pressure, rather than outright banning. The person in question uses Linux/KDE on his desktop, which is a large part of his computing, and dual-boots at home due to his daughter's addiction to KDE games. He has been considering switching his laptop too to Linux, so maybe here is an opportunity. At the risk of a flame war debating between GPL and BSD licences, this is exactly the difference between the two licences, IMO of course. * GPL restricts complete freedom, by putting in conditions, for the higher goal of software freedom for the society. * BSD (w/o advert. clause) strives for complete freedom. They share the same goals as GPL - software freedom, but give further freedom to users - the choice to use whatever licence they want for their derivatives. Both have their own approaches to a common goal( One should not fault any one for the other).So do we, in deciding how to take this day forward. My belief is that software freedom advocacy should not be a black and white here, or not any where approach. For most people, freedom is a long journey - from the initial steps into using a FOSS browser, then to a FOSS mail client ... hopefully eventually to a FOSS OS. Every step on the way of freedom should be congratulated and encouraged. Firefox has arguably done more to the popularity of FOSS than any other software in history. A whole lot of people, who would otherwise had never tried FOSS voluntarily, have come to believe that something free can be so good. The next step is to make them believe how the free part is more than just money. There is such a long way to go. Acting pedantic and orthodox about freedom is never going to help the cause. Besides seeing parts of the world they are familiar with during these presentations is only going to make new entrants more comfortable and more likely to try them out. Moving to a different OS is a life changing activity very few have the stomach to take. Actually, if they see everything in Linux, they would probably be more detached from the subject, as they would have the mental barrier - to use this, I first have to change my OS. They will nod, but would be afraid to take the big step before it. Infiltrating the world of Windows and Mac with FOSS, getting them hooked on free software and eventually tempting them to try the OS itself, might just be a more effective way to get the masses in. (notice how the last line looks like something billg@ might have said about his OS several years back ;) ) - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Ajay Bramhe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now it's goodwe can make teams to search... BALLU MAHIMA Thanks Swapnil :) -- I am wondering where is Gora. He will kill us. I think, he will first kill Ballu and Mahima, (one less alien and one less robot from earth), for for this also we need to search both of them. Do not wory, Gora will not kill us. We are indians, We will sort out some kind of MoU. -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ ││ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org│ ││ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
-- I am wondering where is Gora. He will kill us. -- You are right, let's stop this here. Enough fun for a morning thanks Sumit. But as a writer, I am happy to see a happy ending. Ballu finds Mahima and they lived happily ever after THE END Swapnil PS: I trust this thread *stops* here. By the way I wrote a humour piece on what if Am Yes (of course MS) celebrated the Software Freedom Day, I might post it in some blog. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Windblows on Software Freedom Day
Infiltrating the world of Windows and Mac with FOSS, getting them hooked on free software and eventually tempting them to try the OS itself, might just be a more effective way to get the masses in. (notice how the last line looks like something billg@ might have said about his OS several years back ;) ) - Sandip I admire that piece and completely agree with you. Instead of asking new users to relocate, lets put more and more FOSS things on windows. Once they are ok with Firefox, then OO.o...and much more, it won't be much of an issue pulling off Windows base and replace with complete GNU/Linux system. This is a better approach and something which could work for masses who are not much aware about the vision part of Free Software movement. Regards Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Windblows on Software Freedom Day
Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: I admire that piece and completely agree with you. Instead of asking new users to relocate, lets put more and more FOSS things on windows. Once they are ok with Firefox, then OO.o...and much more, it won't be much of an issue pulling off Windows base and replace with complete GNU/Linux system. This is a better approach and something which could work for masses who are not much aware about the vision part of Free Software movement. but how does it look for the application developers who need to maintain build systems for various operating system bases ? -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Windblows on Software Freedom Day
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Infiltrating the world of Windows and Mac with FOSS, getting them hooked on free software and eventually tempting them to try the OS itself, might just be a more effective way to get the masses in. (notice how the last line looks like something billg@ might have said about his OS several years back ;) ) - Sandip I admire that piece and completely agree with you. Instead of asking new users to relocate, lets put more and more FOSS things on windows. Once they are ok with Firefox, then OO.o...and much more, it won't be much of an issue pulling off Windows base and replace with complete GNU/Linux system. This is a better approach and something which could work for masses who are not much aware about the vision part of Free Software movement. Regards Swapnil Well, I have a bit of disagreement there. This thread is going into all directions, so lets make it clear that FOSS is not equal to GNU/Linux. They are two separate entities/phenomenons/philosophies. If the aim is to promote FOSS then there is no flaw in the above mentioned approach and FOSS will prosper beyond limits.. BUT if the ultimate aim is to promote GNU/Linux, as Swapnil says, it might snowball into something completely opposite because this means that energies be diverted towards developing apps for Windows base, then where do we get time/energy for development for linux? As it is, we can see lots of apps not getting enough developers. And when I say lots, I actually mean loots. So, in the end we might see the development dying on linux side. And moreover, from the users' perspective as well, it would not be very simple to pull off the windows base and replace with linux. Because the user interaction with FOSS apps on windows will still be governed by windows rules, another thing is that if they already have all the apps on windows, why would they feel the need to switch over to a new environment and learn it all over again? I might be completely wrong here. But this is what I feel right now and wanted to discuss about whether there is something that I'm missing here? -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Windblows on Software Freedom Day
On Tuesday 23 Sep 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: [snip] At the risk of a flame war debating between GPL and BSD licences, this is exactly the difference between the two licences, IMO of course. * GPL restricts complete freedom, by putting in conditions, for the higher goal of software freedom for the society. * BSD (w/o advert. clause) strives for complete freedom. They share the same goals as GPL - software freedom, but give further freedom to users - the choice to use whatever licence they want for their derivatives. GPL and similar strong copyleft licences actually aim to protect the rights of the users, by ensuring that the users always have options to enhance, modify and adapt the package to their needs. BSD and similar licences aim to protect the rights of the programmers, by ensuring that programmers can do whatever they want with the software, up to the extent of taking freedom away from their users (and even other programmers). In my dictionary GPL enhances complete freedom while BSD restricts it, but that's just a question of which point of view you approach and define complete freedom from. I doubt if there's a one definition fits all solution, and I'd rather explore the relative merits and demerits of a licence with respect to a specific objective than have a black-and-white approach to the question of which is better (or even ask that question). There's a reason both type of licences exist :) Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Sorry for this post, but I do not want to hurt and hindi-wali feelings inside your soft heart. Just saw this website -- http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/ run the flash intro and see the code snippet in Hindi. Coding structure in Hindi gave a big laugh on my face. I was unable to control myself. I have not downloaded the software But one natural question arise in mind,, *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. Writing English, speaking English and typing C++ code (which has some English keywords) is totally different. Even Kanitkar has some books in Hinglish. hindi bhashi can read them also. As a programmer I know, changing platform and language is not easy. It takes time . But If I have to shift from English keywords to Hindi keywords it will be really tuff and impossible task. A Hindawi-programmer will also feel same problem while shifting to actual language. Even this project is getting FOSS awards also. ? In my view it is not a useful effort and will not make any sense. It may be used as a proof of concept which tell that you can make equivalent Hindi or lets say Telugu keywords for any computer language like C++ or XML. They are just using gcc backend. my single question is when will be become free from cage of ideology? Let me give a very good example -- I have attended 1-2 classes of a course at IITD, the lecturer was a famous artist, He was digitizing some art-work of a village, he was having some illiterate artists --village females . After a small training, those female were having good command in photoshop, and those females made their own terminologies to talk and explain each other for photoshop. In my View Language is not barrier in case of software and software languages. All we (Indians) need is a good training. FOSS activities should be concentrate on content and its quality, rather then such proof of concept projects. Let me very specific to the question Do we really need localization at software and software languages, taking into consideration of Indian progress and total number of common english users. Localization of some software may make sense in some sense but how come it make sense for software language Please do not take it on heart. Guide me, I may be wrong !! -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org │ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Introduction class for ELCOT Laptop users
On Tuesday 23 Sep 2008, Gora Mohanty wrote: snip ... the Chennai LUG? Or, better yet, ELCOT, to see if *they* had made any arrangements for support. How is the community responsible for some misguided initiative by moronic government departments. With due respect your point well taken re: support and approaching it through proper channels. Let us refrain from any comments on the department's comptency. IMO, ELCOT under Umashankar has contributed to Linux indirectly. Requiring vendors to provide drivers for Linux is one area that comes to mind. -- Arun Khan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: narendra sisodiya wrote: Sorry for this post, but I do not want to hurt and hindi-wali feelings inside your soft heart. Just saw this website -- http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/ run the flash intro and see the code snippet in Hindi. Coding structure in Hindi gave a big laugh on my face. I was unable to control myself. I have not downloaded the software But one natural question arise in mind,, *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. You might want to download the software and think over it a bit before being so vehement in your comments (you are free to comment though) :) By seeing the flash intro on their web site, I have imagined the complexity in coding in Hindi atleast for me. I do not want to code in Hindi , so why should i download. If you read my mail, I just want to ask, will the coding in Hindi will make any sense. How any hindawi coder and software we have ? is their anything which cannot achieve from the normal coding and hindwai platform coding ?? ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Introduction class for ELCOT Laptop users
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:41:00 +0530 Arun Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Let us refrain from any comments on the department's comptency. IMO, ELCOT under Umashankar has contributed to Linux indirectly. Requiring vendors to provide drivers for Linux is one area that comes to mind. [...] Sorry. I stand corrected. I am quite aware of ELCOT's, and Umashankar's support for FLOSS. I was responding to what seemed to be the thrust of the message, that is, some government department gave Linux laptops to everyone without providing for training and support. I guess that the expectation in such cases is that the community will automatically step in, and provide these for free. I do take back what I said about ELCOT. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. Let us not undermine somebody's effort. It takes a lot to think out of the box. I'm pretty sure if the Chaudharys did this for European languages they would have got a lot more than they have it now. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sandeep Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. Let us not undermine somebody's effort. It takes a lot to think out of the box. I'm pretty sure if the Chaudharys did this for European languages they would have got a lot more than they have it now. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ I am not underestimating the efforts but Have you ever attended any policy making meeting ?? I have and I am sick of their ideologistic approaches and statements... I am worring that they will include this in syllabus some day. I intentionally asking , why we indian, try to reinvent/copy the wheel. PS: Is anybody making effort for deriving newton's law in hindi. Coding is a universal language which has english words. -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ ││ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org│ ││ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:36:36 +0530 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Just saw this website -- http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/ run the flash intro and see the code snippet in Hindi. Coding structure in Hindi gave a big laugh on my face. I was unable to control myself. I have not downloaded the software But one natural question arise in mind,, *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. Sorry, but isn't that rather an elitist attitude? You might not have the need, or indeed the ability, to code in Hindi. How about the people who speak only Hindi? Even now, in the so-called globalised and shining India, the majority of primary/econdary school students study in vernacular institutions. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) [...] You assume that your own experience is common everywhere in India. Sorry to burst your bubble, but by the best of estimates, only some 6% of the country speaks English. From your parochial viewpoint, I guess that it is fine, and the other 94% should never need to code software. Or, like Marie Antoinette, maybe we should grandiosely proclaim, Let them learn English. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Interesting tidbit
Wish this had come before to add cheer to SFD. Anyways a little bird tells me that in next few days one of the top three softwares biggies in India is moving to whole sale use of OpenOffice. I am sure this would have positive impact on useless holdouts who always derided OSS as being second rate without even touching with barge pole. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. In case you are already doing this . great, spread the message. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sandeep Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. Let us not undermine somebody's effort. It takes a lot to think out of the box. I'm pretty sure if the Chaudharys did this for European languages they would have got a lot more than they have it now. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ I am not underestimating the efforts but Have you ever attended any policy making meeting ?? I have and I am sick of their ideologistic approaches and statements... I am worring that they will include this in syllabus some day. I intentionally asking , why we indian, try to reinvent/copy the wheel. PS: Is anybody making effort for deriving newton's law in hindi. Coding is a universal language which has english words. Narendra, Actually you are asking the wrong question. It should have been Can *someone* code in Hindi? (replacing we by someone) You already know a language and so you can't think of programming it somehow else (Isn't that something we already know? Windows ppl don't want to switch to linux because they already know how to work in windows?) But, what if you were to give this to a person who never studied english? I don't have a single piece of doubt that one can code in hindi. After all, its just keywords right, as you accepted? Don't hindi medium schools teach maths in Hindi? As you yourself said, coding is a universal language, someone here is just replacing the keywords. If a 5th class guy can write maan lo instead of let in his maths problem, then what is stopping him to use similar equivalents of all keywords? No one is reinventing/copying the wheel here, what they are trying is that it is easier for a cycle owner to get a cycle tyre so that he doesn't have to necessarily fit in a motorbike's in there.. -Shantz ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:36:36 +0530 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Just saw this website -- http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/ run the flash intro and see the code snippet in Hindi. Coding structure in Hindi gave a big laugh on my face. I was unable to control myself. I have not downloaded the software But one natural question arise in mind,, *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. Sorry, but isn't that rather an elitist attitude? You might not have the need, or indeed the ability, to code in Hindi. How about the people who speak only Hindi? Even now, in the so-called globalised and shining India, the majority of primary/econdary school students study in vernacular institutions. That is what I am saying... Knowing English and coding using English keyworks are different. I was able to code in 1st year of BE when I was not knowing english well. (even now also :P) Today the number of indian who touch the keyboard in some sense have knowledge of basic English, and that much english well sufficient for coding. I wrote in my past mail -- If something needed for indian , then it is the content and tutorial Better to Go for making Hinglish Contents rather then Hindi Software or Hindi Software Language Port One Hindi-wala can contribute in Hindi software, and one Telgu wala can contribute in Telgu software.. English gives us common platfrom. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) [...] You assume that your own experience is common everywhere in India. Sorry to burst your bubble, but by the best of estimates, only some 6% of the country speaks English. From your parochial viewpoint, I guess that it is fine, and the other 94% should never need to code software. Or, like Marie Antoinette, maybe we should grandiosely proclaim, Let them learn English. Regards, Gora Coding is not difficult . Anyone can write code whithout knowing much English, ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
Hi, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:19 PM, amar akshat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arey ee to humaara messagwa hai ..!!hum hi hain ballu bhaiyaa..!! -- V.P , AGE Certified Ethical Hacker, hmm, what is that? I mean, what is ethical hacking? Never heard that before. Dept. Of Computer Engineering, Sikkim Manipal Institute Of Tech. Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not underestimating the efforts but Have you ever attended any policy making meeting ?? I have and I am sick of their ideologistic approaches and statements... I am worring that they will include this in syllabus some day. I intentionally asking , why we indian, try to reinvent/copy the wheel. PS: Is anybody making effort for deriving newton's law in hindi. Coding is a universal language which has english words. Even if this is included in syllabus, will that disable our ability to think logically or code?! I not talking about ideology, politics etc. For me it is important that a language (which happens to be the second most spoken language) advances. Make its presence felt. Think differently. You never know when you will strike gold. As far as Hindawi is concerned, I don't think such an effort has been done anywhere in the world. This surely is a great start. If this can be done, may be Panini's Ashtadhyayi is not that far. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Interesting tidbit
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wish this had come before to add cheer to SFD. Anyways a little bird tells me that in next few days one of the top three softwares biggies in India is moving to whole sale use of OpenOffice. I am sure this would have positive impact on useless holdouts who always derided OSS as being second rate without even touching with barge pole. I confirm this news, one of them is Infosys AFAIK -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Pradeepto Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:19 PM, amar akshat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arey ee to humaara messagwa hai ..!!hum hi hain ballu bhaiyaa..!! -- V.P , AGE Certified Ethical Hacker, hmm, what is that? I mean, what is ethical hacking? Never heard that before. ;-) Ballu bhai?? !! ;-) btw, /me looking for all those people who talk about the mailing list guidelines and etiquettes? -Sudhanwa Please get it from http://aksharyogini.sudhanwa.com ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~~ www.sudhanwa.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Even if this is included in syllabus, will that disable our ability to think logically or code?! I saying, It will be very difficult to shift from Hindawi to English platform, Why we are putting a one more barrier to Hindi student ?? Canot you do same thing in Hinglish books like Kanitkar, ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Interesting tidbit
2008/9/23 Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wish this had come before to add cheer to SFD. Anyways a little bird tells me that in next few days one of the top three softwares biggies in India is moving to whole sale use of OpenOffice. I am sure this would have positive impact on useless holdouts who always derided OSS as being second rate without even touching with barge pole. I confirm this news, one of them is Infosys AFAIK Then that will make it two of top three. Cost cutting is the new mantra and now they are waking up...join the party. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. In case you are already doing this . great, spread the message. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Let us not undermine somebody's effort. It takes a lot to think out of the box. I'm pretty sure if the Chaudharys did this for European languages they would have got a lot more than they have it now. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Gora has said correctly. English is the language of a few, he has already given figures. I, being from literature side, have seen the the concerns of Enlish speaking people are quite different from those of Indian languages. Its unfortunate that we have to settle with English as we have almost killed Sanskrit. But the Hindi we use today is not the actual form. The way Hebrew came to life again we should rather work on Sanskrit. Which has strong roots in our glorious past and a lot of valuavle text is available in Sanskrit. Even NASA scientists say that Sanskrit is the best language for computers as well as AI. There is at least one language, Sanskrit, which for the duration of almost 1000 years was a living spoken language with a considerable literature of its own. Besides works of literary value, there was a long philosophical and grammatical tradition that has continued to exist with undiminished vigor until the present century. Among the accomplishments of the grammarians can be reckoned a method for paraphrasing Sanskrit in a manner that is identical not only in essence but in form with current work in Artificial Intelligence. This article demonstrates that a natural language can serve as an artificial language also, and that much work in AI has been reinventing a wheel millenia old. The comparison of the analyses shows that the Sanskrit sentence when rendered into triples matches the analysis arrived at through the application of computer processing. That is surprising, because the form of the Sanskrit sentence is radically different from that of the English. For comparison, the Sanskrit sentence is given here: Maitrah: sauhardyat Devadattaya odanam ghate agnina pacati. http://www.gosai.com/science/sanskrit-nasa.html Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Hi, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:20 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: coding. I wrote in my past mail -- If something needed for indian , then it is the content and tutorial Better to Go for making Hinglish Contents rather then Hindi Software or Hindi Software Language Port Hmm? Hindi software? do you mean, software that has been localised to Hindi or some other language? If so, what is the problem with that? Localisation is a good thing, last time I checked. One Hindi-wala can contribute in Hindi software, and one Telgu wala can contribute in Telgu software.. English gives us common platfrom. But what about the guy in the village deep in -say - West Bengal - who wants to use a kiosk which tells him the current rate of whole sale rice or such. He probably doesn't know English but knows to read Bengali. So he has to learn English so that he gets opportunity to use a service. He obviously has no time to learn English now. He wants to work on his farm instead so that he make a living. Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:41 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you are missing the point,, Sanskirt is a good language for processing the data and can be used for AI and it is a object oriented language But here we are talking about, hindawi, where we have hindi keywords only, ___ My point was why Hindi, lets escalate to Sanskrit. Is that possible? Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry for this post, but I do not want to hurt and hindi-wali feelings inside your soft heart. Just saw this website -- http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/ run the flash intro and see the code snippet in Hindi. Coding structure in Hindi gave a big laugh on my face. I was unable to control myself. I have not downloaded the software But one natural question arise in mind,, *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. Narendra you are completely wrong in judging both the ability and effectiveness of hindi coding and translation work. Yes , we can code and yes it`s hell a lot of money . From my college days i have been very much interested in Language technologies and the plans and the initial research which we have done in past shows well enough that not even putting language technologies in Indian languages is not even feasible, But IMO is the only way today to become next microsoft. Some pointers that i would like to give you to start ! 1. What is the annual turnover language translation and content creation Industry in India ? 2. What is the percentage of people in India with 2nd or 3rd language as English ? (Would like to point that you should go and check authenticity of news of villages working on PC`s efficiently, You would really amazed to know , How these NGO`s make money ;) ) 3. How many young people are there in India with Maths background till there 12th ? (Which is the base according to me for learning any prog language) I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. Yeah it will be *tuff* for you because u can write and read in English which is easier for you to follow in programming language thus. Writing English, speaking English and typing C++ code (which has some English keywords) is totally different. Even Kanitkar has some books in Hinglish. hindi bhashi can read them also. Exactly, Put a C++ code in front of a English literary student and it will be gibberish for him, Same way putting code in Hindi will not make much difficulty in coding, (I have tried on my own long time back in 2004 and didn`t found it at all difficult) As a programmer I know, changing platform and language is not easy. It takes time . But If I have to shift from English keywords to Hindi keywords it will be really tuff and impossible task. A Hindawi-programmer will also feel same problem while shifting to actual language. As a programmer if you can`t change platform and language easily for studying new language for 10-15 days , Then my friend you really need to go fast and get your basic correct :) Even this project is getting FOSS awards also. ? In my view it is not a useful effort and will not make any sense. It may be used as a proof of concept which tell that you can make equivalent Hindi or lets say Telugu keywords for any computer language like C++ or XML. They are just using gcc backend. Really ?, The last time we discussed this with some google engineers in a ILUGD meet , They were excited to see how chaudhary is actually doing machine translation in backend. my single question is when will be become free from cage of ideology? Lolz, this is not ideology, This is a gap of demand, Hmm, Google for chinese keyboards and you will know what kind of platform and language interface our chinese friends use and what`s the total industry turnover per year. Let me very specific to the question Do we really need localization at software and software languages, taking into consideration of Indian progress and total number of common english users. Localization of some software may make sense in some sense but how come it make sense for software language Whenever you want to make sense of something and want to ask whether this is something feasible for general masses or not, go and take a walk of your colony and try selling stuff in your mind to every person you see. NEVER ever put yourself in customer shoes. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
Yeah, please end this thread, No more mails on this thread please -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:41 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point was why Hindi, lets escalate to Sanskrit. Is that possible? Not possible for Sanskrit and Hindi, I will be very happy if it possible. Better to go with world to process. remember we have not invented computer and not computer language. How much effort will needed to translated all documentation and all softwares. Its a impossible task in my view. We can better progress with English. Every common men of India want to send his child in English medium, ask him first !!! ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Ok Gaurav you start coding with hindi keywords. and let me know when you release code. I will love to read. Anyways when I will make a software in provide use unicode to get same functionality. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
corrected Anyways when I will make a software , I will use unicode to get same functionality for Hindi/Bangla users. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:09 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Gaurav you start coding with hindi keywords. and let me know when you release code. I will love to read. Anyways when I will make a software in provide use unicode to get same functionality. Don`t top-post please And you completely miss the point, unicode provides a user with a hindi interface to work with, Hindawi provides a interface to a programmer to work with hindi. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:07 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:41 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point was why Hindi, lets escalate to Sanskrit. Is that possible? Not possible for Sanskrit and Hindi, I will be very happy if it possible. Better to go with world to process. remember we have not invented computer and not computer language. How much effort will needed to translated all documentation and all softwares. Its a impossible task in my view. We can better progress with English. Every common men of India want to send his child in English medium, ask him first !!! What`s the percentage of this common man out of India population ? Or How many percentage people live in urban areas with any access to english medium school out of india population ? -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:09 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Gaurav you start coding with hindi keywords. and let me know when you release code. I will love to read. Anyways when I will make a software in provide use unicode to get same functionality. Don`t top-post please And you completely miss the point, unicode provides a user with a hindi interface to work with, Hindawi provides a interface to a programmer to work with hindi. Ya, I am not missing the point. I am not against of software localization. I was saying , I do not require Hindawi to code a hindi software. I will do same with unicode. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Every common men of India* want to *send his child in English medium, ask him first !!! ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Better to go with world to process. remember we have not invented computer and not computer language. How much effort will needed to translated all documentation and all softwares. Its a impossible task in my view. We can better progress with English. Every common men of India want to send his child in English medium, ask him first !!! That's a pity. If this was the criteria for development, we would have had around 3-4 developed societies in the world. Not only do we kill our good things, we blindly follow what ever is 'English' and we follow it badly. This conversation is headed wrong way, let's stop it. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:17 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:09 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Gaurav you start coding with hindi keywords. and let me know when you release code. I will love to read. Anyways when I will make a software in provide use unicode to get same functionality. Don`t top-post please And you completely miss the point, unicode provides a user with a hindi interface to work with, Hindawi provides a interface to a programmer to work with hindi. Ya, I am not missing the point. I am not against of software localization. I was saying , I do not require Hindawi to code a hindi software. I will do same with unicode. Hindawi is not to make *Hindi* software it is to provide hindi speaking *to be* developers a platform for writing program in Hindi -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
I think you are missing the point,, Sanskirt is a good language for processing the data and can be used for AI and it is a object oriented language But here we are talking about, hindawi, where we have hindi keywords only, ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Automatically setting display.. A roadblock
I used to have this in my .cshrc
set DISP = `who am i | sed -e s/(// -e s/)// | awk '{printf %s,$6}'`
setenv DISPLAY {$DISP}:0.0
This works as long as I am on X server 0
So my local machine is alpha and I login to beta, I would have a
DISPLAY set to alpha:0
The problem is what if my local machine X was started with startx --
:1 and not startx
Then also it would set it to alpha:0, though the correct usage would be alpha:1
Is there a way of automatically doing that?
regards
Tanveer
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Re: [ilugd] Automatically setting display.. A roadblock
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Tanveer Singh writes:
I used to have this in my .cshrc
set DISP = `who am i | sed -e s/(// -e s/)// | awk '{printf %s,$6}'`
setenv DISPLAY {$DISP}:0.0
This works as long as I am on X server 0
So my local machine is alpha and I login to beta, I would have a
DISPLAY set to alpha:0
I think this will be insecure, unless you're using XAUTH and other form
of ACLs provided by X, and X11 Forwarding via OpenSSH is the recommended
way to do this in my opinion, where you don't need such ugly hacks :D
. For more information, RTFM ssh(1).
The problem is what if my local machine X was started with startx --
:1 and not startx
Then also it would set it to alpha:0, though the correct usage would be
alpha:1
Is there a way of automatically doing that?
And what if you're logged-in at :1 and want to work at :0, hmm...? There
is nothing like correct here, probably you've to specify some kind of
logic, on why you want to work on :1, when you can work on :0.
The directory '/tmp/.X11-unix' contains the sockets to all the X servers
running at any instant on a host. So maybe you would like to hack a
shell script to enumerate between those sockets and figure out yourself,
which $DISPLAY you want to connect to :) .
Ashish
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Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:11:29 +0530 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: corrected Anyways when I will make a software , I will use unicode to get same functionality for Hindi/Bangla users. Um, Hindawi uses Unicode input, and is available for Hindi, Bangla, and Gujrati. http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/faq.php In fact Abhishek is Bengali, and the software worked in Bangla before it did in Hindi. Hate to interrupt a good rant, but you might do the project the courtesy of reading up about it before criticising it. I will admit that I initially had doubts about this project, but am now of the opinion that it is as at least as valid an attempt as any of the localisation work that many of us are doing. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Every common men of India want to send his child in English medium, ask him first !!! That's slave mentality. If we see a cowboy we look up, where as if we see a local farmer clad in dhoti kurta we look down. While both are farmers. 1000 years of slavery has done some genetic mutation to us. Unfortunately we are discussing in English. Even if I use English for various other reasons, and I don't say others can't. Valuing our own system and language is not wrong. It rather earns respect. EOD Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Automatically setting display.. A roadblock
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think this will be insecure, unless you're using XAUTH and other form of ACLs provided by X, and X11 Forwarding via OpenSSH is the recommended way to do this in my opinion, where you don't need such ugly hacks :D . For more information, RTFM ssh(1). ssh? I am not using ssh. The box I am logging onto is via rsh. For ssh its simple, no DISPLAY nonsense, just do ssh -X and it works And what if you're logged-in at :1 and want to work at :0, hmm...? Nope, I don't want to do that. All I want is this Suppose I do a startx -- :1 on alpha My X server starts I open xterm and do a rsh -l username beta When I login on beta, my display should be automatically set to alpha:1 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every common men of India want to send his child in English medium, ask him first !!! That's slave mentality. If we see a cowboy we look up, where as if we see a local farmer clad in dhoti kurta we look down. While both are farmers. 1000 years of slavery has done some genetic mutation to us. Unfortunately we are discussing in English. Even if I use English for various other reasons, and I don't say others can't. Valuing our own system and language is not wrong. It rather earns respect. Won't using hindi betraying mothertongue to a tamilian. We should code in tamil and not hindi. Coding in Hindi is betraying mothertongue, slave mentality ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
while(! is_there_any good_result() ){
keep_the debate_up(keep_impossible_task,fight_with_language_issue);
If (language==English){
coutWe are Indian , we hate Englsih and someday we will code in
Hindi;
}
never_return(0);
}
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Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Won't using hindi betraying mothertongue to a tamilian. We should code in tamil and not hindi. Coding in Hindi is betraying mothertongue, slave mentality If we can do regional development that would be the best and perfect situation. Let English be common /universal language and there should always be a bridge. I am in favour of regional development. SB ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Automatically setting display.. A roadblock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tanveer Singh writes: [snip] ssh? I am not using ssh. The box I am logging onto is via rsh. For ssh its simple, no DISPLAY nonsense, just do ssh -X and it works And what if you're logged-in at :1 and want to work at :0, hmm...? Nope, I don't want to do that. All I want is this Suppose I do a startx -- :1 on alpha My X server starts I open xterm and do a rsh -l username beta When I login on beta, my display should be automatically set to alpha:1 I've never used rsh(1), and from a glance on its manpage, I don't think it supports exporting environment variables, so the only thing you can do is to probably invoke a script (a wrapper script around your shell which also exports the desired $DISPLAY to the shell) on your login to the server. Ashish - -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- % dig +short cname cdac.in @::1 ms.gov.in -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjYy3EACgkQHy+EEHYuXnSeJQCgtIIr5v9Si7NJEdpnbJdk71zl RqsAn0ZQup7uiykBAbBApHc078FiecTT =5Dq0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
Sorry for this last one ..!! but i mean to explain the meaning f ethical hacking ..!! if the house doesnt mnd It goes as long story ..for those who consider hackers only the evil programmers of computer world.! But for those wid diff opinion let me tell u ..!! they r ppl striving for better security options in a ethical way ...! Thanks .. Amar Akshat END OF THREAD On 9/23/08, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, please end this thread, No more mails on this thread please -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- V.P , AGE Certified Ethical Hacker, Dept. Of Computer Engineering, Sikkim Manipal Institute Of Tech. Where You See a Feature I See a Flaw.. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
I believe Tanveer's point is valid here--- and while Swapnil I appreciate your pride in our motherland, if you were to do programming you will see the gaps in the point you are presenting. Furthermore Swapnil-- if you were a programmer--- then you would see where Tanveer and Narendra are coming from. In certain contexts your argument may be valid (I myself pointed out abt the need to break away from slave mentality some days back)--- but in this context your logic/argument about slave mindset is not valid. Also, I think what Narendra was originally trying to say is: Promoting code in local language solutions can gloss over the fact that logic is universal-- and can lead to balkanization of programming languages-- because of ideologies and political agendas. Is this what you were trying to say Narendra ? Just wondering... Regards, NS On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Tanveer Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:24 PM, narendra sisodiya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
while(! is_there_any good_result() ){
keep_the debate_up(keep_impossible_task,fight_with_language_issue);
If (language==English){
coutWe are Indian , we hate Englsih and someday we will code in
Hindi;
}
never_return(0);
}
There kind of discussions are endless and open ended. Its like discussing
what's at the edge of the universe. You may never reach anywhere, but the
journey is worth taking. Life is not about destination (death); life is
about journey (life).
Swapnil
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Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Forgive me if m foolish on this part .. but i think ..coding in hindi can be established as a fact if we design a code converter to any primary hll ..such as C. So every keyword in C would then be replaced by it equivalent in hindi ..n the we go on .. eg would be main : shuruat printf: dikhayen int : ank double : duguna etc.. it can be passed on from a block ...n then its C again ..! Amar Akshat On 9/23/08, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Won't using hindi betraying mothertongue to a tamilian. We should code in tamil and not hindi. Coding in Hindi is betraying mothertongue, slave mentality If we can do regional development that would be the best and perfect situation. Let English be common /universal language and there should always be a bridge. I am in favour of regional development. SB ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- V.P , AGE Certified Ethical Hacker, Dept. Of Computer Engineering, Sikkim Manipal Institute Of Tech. Where You See a Feature I See a Flaw.. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:27 PM, amar akshat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for this last one ..!! but i mean to explain the meaning f ethical hacking ..!! if the house doesnt mnd It goes as long story ..for those who consider hackers only the evil programmers of computer world.! But for those wid diff opinion let me tell u ..!! they r ppl striving for better security options in a ethical way ...! Thanks .. Amar Akshat RMS made clear Hacking is different from Cracking ;-) Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
See you guys are missing some essence behind Hindawi . Hindawi may born of ideology, But to be any project to be successful it need to have real value in the market. There is huge potential with indian language technologies , putting the *village* talent will bring out more cheaper programming talent and can bring such revolution that we haven`t thought of . -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe Tanveer's point is valid here--- and while Swapnil I appreciate your pride in our motherland, if you were to do programming you will see the gaps in the point you are presenting. Furthermore Swapnil-- if you were a programmer--- then you would see where Tanveer and Narendra are coming from. In certain contexts your argument may be valid (I myself pointed out abt the need to break away from slave mentality some days back)--- but in this context your logic/argument about slave mindset is not valid. Also, I think what Narendra was originally trying to say is: Promoting code in local language solutions can gloss over the fact that logic is universal-- and can lead to balkanization of programming languages-- because of ideologies and political agendas. Is this what you were trying to say Narendra ? EXACTLY i am saying,, promoting/writing the code in local language (like with hindi or telgu) is bad. This will increase our gap more. a gap in terms of progress and in terms of collaboration. There is nothing harm in learning basic englsih for coding rather then typing *likho(namaskar dunia);* Just wondering... Regards, NS On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Tanveer Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ ││ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org│ ││ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:27 PM, amar akshat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for this last one ..!! but i mean to explain the meaning f ethical hacking ..!! if the house doesnt mnd It goes as long story ..for those who consider hackers only the evil programmers of computer world.! But for those wid diff opinion let me tell u ..!! they r ppl striving for better security options in a ethical way ...! Thanks .. Amar Akshat We need list - moderation at some stage, Please -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe Tanveer's point is valid here--- and while Swapnil I appreciate your pride in our motherland, if you were to do programming you will see the gaps in the point you are presenting. Furthermore Swapnil-- if you were a programmer--- then you would see where Tanveer and Narendra are coming from. In certain contexts your argument may be valid (I myself pointed out abt the need to break away from slave mentality some days back)--- but in this context your logic/argument about slave mindset is not valid. Also, I think what Narendra was originally trying to say is: Promoting code in local language solutions can gloss over the fact that logic is universal-- and can lead to balkanization of programming languages-- because of ideologies and political agendas. Is this what you were trying to say Narendra ? EXACTLY i am saying,, promoting/writing the code in local language (like with hindi or telgu) is bad. This will increase our gap more. a gap in terms of progress and in terms of collaboration. There is nothing harm in learning basic englsih for coding rather then typing *likho(namaskar dunia);* Why it will harness progress ? , I don`t get the point in any way. Would you mind explaining and with some facts please -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: See you guys are missing some essence behind Hindawi . Hindawi may born of ideology, But to be any project to be successful it need to have real value in the market. There is huge potential with indian language technologies , putting the *village* talent will bring out more cheaper programming talent and can bring such revolution that we haven`t thought of . hahahahahhaha lol Anyhow he has to read English coding books .Are you planning to have hindi programming text books?? If yes then you are producing a big gap for those cheaper villege programmer -- (your term) to learn global programming treads,, For God sake , ask a developer , how many framework we are develpong world wide,, I imagine 20 framework per month on aaverage... How the hell is going to translate all of them then their proper documentation is not availble to English itself -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ ││ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org│ ││ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: See you guys are missing some essence behind Hindawi . Hindawi may born of ideology, But to be any project to be successful it need to have real value in the market. There is huge potential with indian language technologies , putting the *village* talent will bring out more cheaper programming talent and can bring such revolution that we haven`t thought of . hahahahahhaha lol Anyhow he has to read English coding books .Are you planning to have hindi programming text books?? If yes then you are producing a big gap for those cheaper villege programmer -- (your term) to learn global programming treads,, For God sake , ask a developer , how many framework we are develpong world wide,, I imagine 20 framework per month on aaverage... How the hell is going to translate all of them then their proper documentation is not availble to English itself What is a framework ?, Set of scripts to make coding faster. Ask any experience developer and they tend to stick on their own made framework which they develop in their developing career. Did you tried googling or even researching the economics involved ? And when i am talking of *village* talent , I am not talking one or two , But millions of programmer and i can bet any publication industry will love to put books out of this. Try getting a bigger picture -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See you guys are missing some essence behind Hindawi . Hindawi may born of ideology, But to be any project to be successful it need to have real value in the market. There is huge potential with indian language technologies , putting the *village* talent will bring out more cheaper programming talent and can bring such revolution that we haven`t thought of . hahahahahhaha lol Anyhow he has to read English coding books .Are you planning to have hindi programming text books?? If yes then you are producing a big gap for those cheaper villege programmer -- (your term) to learn global programming treads,, For God sake , ask a developer , how many framework we are develpong world wide,, I imagine 20 framework per month on aaverage... How the hell is going to translate all of them then their proper documentation is not availble to English itself What is a framework ?, Set of scripts to make coding faster. Ask any experience developer and they tend to stick on their own made framework which they develop in their developing career. Did you tried googling or even researching the economics involved ? And when i am talking of *village* talent , I am not talking one or two , But millions of programmer and i can bet any publication industry will love to put books out of this. Try getting a bigger picture If you able to find out a way to produce million such programmer from villages , then tell me know. In that case , It will be easier to code with English keywords.. If you have any idea to make it possible -- Pleaes come forward -- India is waiting for such Leaders. mine case is simple -- in my view , it is not possible then why to put energy over it. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ ││ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org│ ││ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See you guys are missing some essence behind Hindawi . Hindawi may born of ideology, But to be any project to be successful it need to have real value in the market. There is huge potential with indian language technologies , putting the *village* talent will bring out more cheaper programming talent and can bring such revolution that we haven`t thought of . hahahahahhaha lol Anyhow he has to read English coding books .Are you planning to have hindi programming text books?? If yes then you are producing a big gap for those cheaper villege programmer -- (your term) to learn global programming treads,, For God sake , ask a developer , how many framework we are develpong world wide,, I imagine 20 framework per month on aaverage... How the hell is going to translate all of them then their proper documentation is not availble to English itself What is a framework ?, Set of scripts to make coding faster. Ask any experience developer and they tend to stick on their own made framework which they develop in their developing career. Did you tried googling or even researching the economics involved ? And when i am talking of *village* talent , I am not talking one or two , But millions of programmer and i can bet any publication industry will love to put books out of this. Try getting a bigger picture If you able to find out a way to produce million such programmer from villages , then tell me know. In that case , It will be easier to code with English keywords.. If you have any idea to make it possible -- Pleaes come forward -- India is waiting for such Leaders. mine case is simple -- in my view , it is not possible then why to put energy over it. I have already been a part of UnitedVillages www.unitedvillages.com and very sure this is possible. This is happening and will continue .. register for Govt ICT magazine -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Interesting tidbit
On Tuesday 23 Sep 2008, Sudev Barar wrote: 2008/9/23 Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip ... I confirm this news, one of them is Infosys AFAIK Then that will make it two of top three. Cost cutting is the new mantra and now they are waking up...join the party. Encouraging that they are adopting OO for internal use given that these set of companies endorsed OOXML just a few months ago. The sad part they will use the software for their own savings but not promote it (just like they have been using Linux servers internally) -- Arun Khan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Wow, this thread I have been really entertaining to sit back and watch. But this is growing out to be something which serves no purpose. Here are my few thoughts, though wishing this thread will close soon. The idea of Coding in Native Languages is not new, a lot of people have spoken and may be few even tried one in nook and corners of the world. I even remember a similar topic running in one of the Indian GNU/Linux Mailing List a few years ago. On one side, the idea is so welcomed as the requirement of English knowledge is sometimes felt as a barrier for development as a majority of our population are not that much literate in English. Under such consideration, being able to write code, developer softwares with their own native language is surely a boon. I don't understand, if such a thing is possible, why shouldn't it be welcomed and supported as this can be effectively used to create more desi softwares, solving local problems and requirements, by people who are at the core of the problem or the primary people exposed to it. Scratching ones own itch is better than scratching other's itch. If such a system is possible and being developed, what might be of concern is how compatible is it with other systems. We, as one amongst the FOSS community, ought to think about developing softwares which can be applied in a wide scope (except in case of specialized softwares targeting a specific group of people). This means, we need to have a facility to code in FOO programming language in BAR native language, but being able to compile this code or transform this code into FOOBAR native language. To put it simply, if A writes a Python code in Hindi, there should be a cross-compiler or such thing which B can use to convert the Python code into Tamil or Malayalam so that people in those languages can improve the code, which A can take back and compile it into Hindu. Here, the concerned Programming Language remains the same Python and hence the programmatic idioms and practices remains the same.Thus, even when people work in their own languages, the code is fully compatible between languages, while the main Programming Language being followed is the same. I still consider this to be a dream, which is totally not impossible but would be surprised if this happens in my life time. I might still stick to writing EN code, but at least people might write better software if they can do so in their own native language. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Interesting tidbit
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Arun Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 23 Sep 2008, Sudev Barar wrote: 2008/9/23 Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip ... I confirm this news, one of them is Infosys AFAIK Then that will make it two of top three. Cost cutting is the new mantra and now they are waking up...join the party. Encouraging that they are adopting OO for internal use given that these set of companies endorsed OOXML just a few months ago. The sad part they will use the software for their own savings but not promote it (just like they have been using Linux servers internally) They don`t need to promote it because they are not dependent on it`s markeing, i.e it`s not a part of thier any solution. but i hope to get some code action from some companies -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Parthan SR [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Wow, this thread I have been really entertaining to sit back and watch. But this is growing out to be something which serves no purpose. Here are my few thoughts, though wishing this thread will close soon. The idea of Coding in Native Languages is not new, a lot of people have spoken and may be few even tried one in nook and corners of the world. I even remember a similar topic running in one of the Indian GNU/Linux Mailing List a few years ago. On one side, the idea is so welcomed as the requirement of English knowledge is sometimes felt as a barrier for development as a majority of our population are not that much literate in English. Under such consideration, being able to write code, developer softwares with their own native language is surely a boon. I don't understand, if such a thing is possible, why shouldn't it be welcomed and supported as this can be effectively used to create more desi softwares, solving local problems and requirements, by people who are at the core of the problem or the primary people exposed to it. Scratching ones own itch is better than scratching other's itch. If such a system is possible and being developed, what might be of concern is how compatible is it with other systems. We, as one amongst the FOSS community, ought to think about developing softwares which can be applied in a wide scope (except in case of specialized softwares targeting a specific group of people). This means, we need to have a facility to code in FOO programming language in BAR native language, but being able to compile this code or transform this code into FOOBAR native language. To put it simply, if A writes a Python code in Hindi, there should be a cross-compiler or such thing which B can use to convert the Python code into Tamil or Malayalam so that people in those languages can improve the code, which A can take back and compile it into Hindi. lol, Its not possible, why you forget about documentation ?? will documentation be in English why you forget about variable names?? If I code in hindi, with hindi vaibles, such as mera_ank that might not make any meaning after translation in Telgu. -- Try such experiment and tell LFY to publish --- Here, the concerned Programming Language remains the same Python and hence the programmatic idioms and practices remains the same.Thus, even when people work in their own languages, the code is fully compatible between languages, while the main Programming Language being followed is the same. I still consider this to be a dream, which is totally not impossible but would be surprised if this happens in my life time. Nope,,, It is impossible to revert time... I might still stick to writing EN code, but at least people might write better software if they can do so in their own native language. When will you guys will agree that a computer language is having its own syntax. saying pyton in hindi is same as saying Newton's law in Hindi like in C++ , if we need to define variable then it will be *int i ;* and in Hindawi it will *purnank aai ;* How does it matter, by a *technical point of view * you are just rebuilding the keywords to make life complex. writing a code in computer language need some keywords, with logic, native language is not useful for code writing. IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. I will again say, you are diverting new generation to stick/code with local language. -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org │ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Each software is made to scratch a particular itch. Whats your itch may not be another person's. Don't infringe on another person's freedom to scratch his itch in a different way. End of topic. Regards Gajendra ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Parthan SR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this thread I have been really entertaining to sit back and watch. But this is growing out to be something which serves no purpose. Here are my few thoughts, though wishing this thread will close soon. The idea of Coding in Native Languages is not new, a lot of people have spoken and may be few even tried one in nook and corners of the world. I even remember a similar topic running in one of the Indian GNU/Linux Mailing List a few years ago. Most of the languges are very close cousin of english so never came across some diff langage code, Would love to see some pointer. If such a system is possible and being developed, what might be of concern is how compatible is it with other systems. We, as one amongst the FOSS community, ought to think about developing softwares which can be applied in a wide scope (except in case of specialized softwares targeting a specific group of people). This means, we need to have a facility to code in FOO programming language in BAR native language, but being able to compile this code or transform this code into FOOBAR native language. To put it simply, if A writes a Python code in Hindi, there should be a cross-compiler or such thing which B can use to convert the Python code into Tamil or Malayalam so that people in those languages can improve the code, which A can take back and compile it into Hindu. Here, the concerned Programming Language remains the same Python and hence the programmatic idioms and practices remains the same.Thus, even when people work in their own languages, the code is fully compatible between languages, while the main Programming Language being followed is the same. Nice thoughts, It`s indeed very much possible , Hindawi AFAIk is a wrapper over current compiler . (Hope Abhisek can join in and clarify) , So a universal wrapper which can convert between languages doesn`t seems impossible. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Interesting tidbit
On Tuesday 23 Sep 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Arun Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sad part they will use the software for their own savings but not promote it (just like they have been using Linux servers internally) They don`t need to promote it because they are not dependent on it`s markeing, i.e it`s not a part of thier any solution. These guys have the clout to make it part of their solution. That is my point. -- Arun Khan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 Parthan SR [EMAIL PROTECTED] If such a system is possible and being developed, what might be of concern is how compatible is it with other systems. We, as one amongst the FOSS community, ought to think about developing softwares which can be applied in a wide scope (except in case of specialized softwares targeting a specific group of people). This means, we need to have a facility to code in FOO programming language in BAR native language, but being able to compile this code or transform this code into FOOBAR native language. To put it simply, if A writes a Python code in Hindi, there should be a cross-compiler or such thing which B can use to convert the Python code into Tamil or Malayalam so that people in those languages can improve the code, which A can take back and compile it into Hindu. Here, the concerned Programming Language remains the same Python and hence the programmatic idioms and practices remains the same.Thus, even when people work in their own languages, the code is fully compatible between languages, while the main Programming Language being followed is the same. Very good point and very possible. I hope Abhishek is reading this. (ccing him) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Hi, 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: lol, Its not possible, why you forget about documentation ?? will documentation be in English Why? It can be in any language, how does that matter? why you forget about variable names?? If I code in hindi, with hindi vaibles, such as mera_ank that might not make any meaning after translation in Telgu. Maybe, thats what Parthan and Gaurav were hinting at. A higher level universal wrapper may help/be needed. Can't you see that as a mathematical problem and needs a solution or probably already has a solution? I am no expert but Natural Language Processing comes to my mind, please correct me if I am wrong. writing a code in computer language need some keywords, with logic, native language is not useful for code writing. Err? You do realise that the Native Language you use to program is US_en. And probably most programming languages do. So what is wrong with using Hindi/Bangla/German/Chinese instead? IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. And isn't logic independent of language. IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. I will again say, you are diverting new generation to stick/code with local language. Its like saying, Guido diverted a whole generation to code in Python while Matz did the same but in Ruby. Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
lol, Its not possible, why you forget about documentation ?? will documentation be in English There are books available for say hindi speaking people to learn say japanese. You don't have to learn English first to learn Japanese. You just don't see the books around 'cause you are present in a market where it probably wouldn't sell much. I still consider this to be a dream, which is totally not impossible but would be surprised if this happens in my life time. Nope,,, It is impossible to revert time... In our lifetime, may be. How about somebody in the future develops a time machine, comes back and teaches me how to make a time machine? I would like this to go on permanent record (as permanent as this archive can be) that I want to learn how to make a time machine if somebody reads this in the future -- I also promise I will do no evil! :D I might still stick to writing EN code, but at least people might write better software if they can do so in their own native language. When will you guys will agree that a computer language is having its own syntax. saying pyton in hindi is same as saying Newton's law in Hindi And because Newton's law was translated in Hindi, we now have a wider people with elementary education. Or do you mean to imply that people who know how things work (without knowing English) do not understand the principles/cannot apply them/or cannot compete for a job with you? like in C++ , if we need to define variable then it will be *int i ;* and in Hindawi it will *purnank aai ;* How does it matter, by a *technical point of view * you are just rebuilding the keywords to make life complex. You are renaming the keywords, yes, but to make life simple for those who learn it. Nobody is asking you to learn it. Narendra, you are not the target audience. I think you are missing this point. Your question (whatever that was, I've lost track now) is still valid, I guess, but you should also realize that teaching English first to do coding is not sensible. As mentioned before, this might just be working as a wrapper. That means, that the code is already being converted to english (forget variable names for now, they are trivial in understanding logic) making it accessible it to a wider community. Think of it this way. There are more people who can learn in India to program. They do so in their native language. Wrappers are available to make it available elsewhere. writing a code in computer language need some keywords, with logic, native language is not useful for code writing. On the contrary, for code _WRITING_, native language is the best way to WRITE. Logic is language independent. I will again say, you are diverting new generation to stick/code with local language. I don't think the new generation (around you and me) is being asked to learn programming in local languages. This is meant for people who speak certain languages. If you are talking about adoption of such tools at school level, I think we needn't worry much 'cause I think the fight is still on to remove MS Office from CS course in schools? Sharad ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Free Software Day Celebrations
Hey Guys, Saw all the celebration pics...I just regret missing it. For, I was not in Delhi and my right shoulder got dislocated...lol nd i'm writing this with great difficulty. Was curious about 1 thing, i didnt see much of college going people. Being a college student myself, i was expecting a bit more of college going crowd. The reason being that i do not know the age/profession of most of the members here. I may be wrong here. and no offence to all the elder guys..i think without your support, this linux Delhi chapter would not be happening at all. ;) Secondly, I was looking at the Barcamp website which Narendra mentioned. India has quite a lot of eveents happening at different places. It has a Delhi chapter also and its being held in the 1st week of october. But i did not understand about the event. I mean what all would be happening there...talks/install fest etc. and on which topics. Is it the same as any other FOSS event?? Regards -- anything weird is worth a try... Chirag Anand 4th Year, B.Tech Computer Science Department Jaypee University of Information Technology, Solan India Blog :http://techfreaks4u.com/blog ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
narendra sisodiya wrote: lol, Its not possible, why you forget about documentation ?? will documentation be in English Indeed, localizing document is not as hard as localizing a programming language itself. And in FOSS, documents are also community contributed and hence people might try to code in Hindi, experiment and write documentation/tutorial/howtos for the same in Hindi. Nope,,, It is impossible to revert time... Hmm? saying pyton in hindi is same as saying Newton's law in Hindi Of course, an if condition makes sense because you know the word if means something a sorta condition. If we can imply the same in Hindi, then why won't it make sense? How does it matter, by a *technical point of view * you are just rebuilding the keywords to make life complex. Whose life? If you feel complex then nobody is compelling you to use it. It is for people to whom it makes more sense than doing something in a language they learn using their native language. writing a code in computer language need some keywords, with logic, native language is not useful for code writing. What language does computer language use. If your PoV is that they do not use English, then you are learning a programming language in some alien meaningless language. When you can do so, why you thing people wont be able to make use of something in their own native language which they can very much understand without external intervention? If you accept they are in English, then when something can be represented in English why not some other language not be used? IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. I will again say, you are diverting new generation to stick/code with local language. We are indeed programmers and we have understood that programming is merely putting logic into action using a tool called programming language. What's at the bottom most core of all programming language is math, or more precisely logic. When you are good in your logical abilities, you become a good programmer. If a programmer understands this fundamental truth, then he wont run away when he is put into a situation that he has to work with a new programming language that he doesn't know till now. As a closing comment, you can be skeptical or even caustic about Coding in Hindi and we respect your freedom to do. But this doesn't give you any freedom to laugh at some one when he/she makes a genuine attempt to make it reality. If you can help, please do, but at least do not laugh at people who are trying to help. Criticism is welcomed, if it is constructive. Pinch of salt and playing delivs advocate is helpful most times, but that doesn't mean you can undermine something which a whole bunch of people think would be beneficial if exists. end-of-my-thoughts. Thank you. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] FOSS/Hindi/Aliens/Ballu/Code/iLugd
Hi, I was not aware of the fact that my 'small' email(reply) will ignite a fire around the mailing-list...where we talk about 'FOSS'. I have looked into every response and would like to add 'something'. I don't know how this mail gonna be relevant to list/topic/FOSS etcetera. Lets talk about Hindi, first: I have completed my study up to 10th standard in 'Hindi only' and i had not seen a computer before/till 10th. After completion of my B.Tech in Computers, I didn't find any reason to code in 'Hindi'. May I be wrong? Well, the scenario says something else. I put my Linux machine at my home in a small 'village...where people know only Hindi'. Most of them had never seen computer before(like me). But when i told them in 'Hindi' how to operate, they were able to do small things like gaming, painting, music, etcetera. Some of them, even, didn't know to write their names in Hindi/English, but know very well how to put 'password' into machine. That shows how they people are compatible with 'technology'. I believe in the fact that a 'meduim' is always required to flow 'anything' (refer Einstein) . Here, the 'medium' is 'language' (either Hindi or English) and the 'matter' is 'technology'. So, I must say we should take these two things in two different ways. However I have no hard feeling towards 'Localization', in fact, I have been working on Urdu Localization(from JMI/Sarai). Now lets observe the facts: Case 1. When both medium and technology are in 'English'. (people are local) Work-done = work (to understand the medium) + work ( to understand the technology) Throughput = most/??? Time = lesser Case 2. When medium is 'local' and technology is in 'English'. (people are local) Work-done = work ( to understand the technology) Throughput = most/lesser Time = least Case 3. When both are 'local' Work-done = work (to convert the technology into 'local' medium) + work ( to understand the technology) Throughput = ???/most Time = most Note : Case '3' will behave like case '1' after some 'effort'. Here, No one can say 'this or that' is always towards in right direction. Thus, I think I can conclude that 'we' should think about the overall technological development to face the future problems/bugs. Thanks Regards, Devesh. P.S. : It will help us to cope with Aliens in future. ;) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Hi, My thoughts below: --- On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Parthan SR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | We are indeed programmers and we have understood that programming is | merely putting logic into action using a tool called programming | language. \-- IMO, most developers comprehend things faster when they get an explanation in their native language, because, it helps them to learn things in a language that is known to them, and which they are comfortable with. This also boosts their confidence levels and brings them to a comfort zone with which they come forward to discuss things in a group discussion, for example, and are more eager to contribute and work along these lines, rather, than being put off on the wrong assumption that they need to speak grammatically correct English to put their words across. But, code written in one language, need to be translated to an intermediate form, that people from other languages can understand and re-use, else, the spirit of FOSS is lost. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS/Hindi/Aliens/Ballu/Code/iLugd
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:44 PM, devesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was not aware of the fact that my 'small' email(reply) will ignite a fire around the mailing-list...where we talk about 'FOSS'. I have looked into every response and would like to add 'something'. I don't know how this mail gonna be relevant to list/topic/FOSS etcetera. Lets talk about Hindi, first: I have completed my study up to 10th standard in 'Hindi only' and i had not seen a computer before/till 10th. After completion of my B.Tech in Computers, I didn't find any reason to code in 'Hindi'. May I be wrong? Well, the scenario says something else. I put my Linux machine at my home in a small 'village...where people know only Hindi'. Most of them had never seen computer before(like me). But when i told them in 'Hindi' how to operate, they were able to do small things like gaming, painting, music, etcetera. Yes My dear, I am totally word to word agree to your mail. I have focused on these points in my last mail, * writing software with hindi/bangla keywords in not a useful task and will make gap between us. * making software with hindi interrface may be useful to some papulation but still they can work with english interface software, provide we have given good teaching to them. * but Making content (in hindi or Hinglish) which tell how to use computer as tool will be best for all such Indian, Our major foucs should be over the 3rd point. Think computer as tool. Think again on our direction of effort. We have limited effort and time. Some of them, even, didn't know to write their names in Hindi/English, but know very well how to put 'password' into machine. That shows how they people are compatible with 'technology'. I believe in the fact that a 'meduim' is always required to flow 'anything' (refer Einstein) . Here, the 'medium' is 'language' (either Hindi or English) and the 'matter' is 'technology'. Even my nephew can openrate computer at some level, and he do not know english, And I saw, one desktop manager in hindi,. For working with hidni Deskhop, I need to take a hindi to english dictionary . Those Hindi words were very difficult for me and nobody use in common language .. what will you say now, having such localized software is useful?? My nephew work mostly on compyter by the help of indentifying icons.. How a text matter in the case we are highly addictive to GUI. So, I must say we should take these two things in two different ways. However I have no hard feeling towards 'Localization', in fact, I have been working on Urdu Localization(from JMI/Sarai). Now lets observe the facts: Case 1. When both medium and technology are in 'English'. (people are local) Work-done = work (to understand the medium) + work ( to understand the technology) Throughput = most/??? Time = lesser Case 2. When medium is 'local' and technology is in 'English'. (people are local) Work-done = work ( to understand the technology) Throughput = most/lesser Time = least I will prefer to go with case 2 / 1 but not case 3 Case 3. When both are 'local' Work-done = work (to convert the technology into 'local' medium) + work ( to understand the technology) Throughput = ???/most Time = most Note : Case '3' will behave like case '1' after some 'effort'. Here, No one can say 'this or that' is always towards in right direction. Thus, I think I can conclude that 'we' should think about the overall technological development to face the future problems/bugs. Thanks Regards, Devesh. -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org │ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Software Day Celebrations
Secondly, I was looking at the Barcamp website which Narendra mentioned. India has quite a lot of eveents happening at different places. It has a Delhi chapter also and its being held in the 1st week of october. But i did not understand about the event. I mean what all would be happening there...talks/install fest etc. and on which topics. Is it the same as any other FOSS event?? Chirag, A barcamp is not related to FOSS. It is about blogging/new media/social networks etc. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS/Hindi/Aliens/Ballu/Code/iLugd
Hi, 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * writing software with hindi/bangla keywords in not a useful task and will make gap between us. What is this gap you are talking about? * making software with hindi interrface may be useful to some papulation but still they can work with english interface software, provide we have given good teaching to them. Err? Why? I have met so many Germans, who use only German UI. Infact, my very good friend who is on this list even, uses a German UI since he learnt some German some months back. In case you were not aware, they even have slightly modified keyboard for their umlaut. I have seen Koreans using KDE translated in Korean. I have seen Karunkar using Hindi UI, Runa Bangla UI, Kartik using Gujarati UI. Ravi blogs only in Hindi afaics. Sri Ramadoss just finished translating complete works for RMS in to Tamil. SMC is flighting to make sure every bit of computing is done in Malayalam. Oh and guess what - they comprise of people ranging from a student to a farmer. I kid you not. KDE 4.1 translation for Malayalam was done by a farmer along with many others. You really think, he will tell his family, villagers, fellow farmers to use computers in English? Btw, now afaik, they are now translating GNOME into Malayalam to make it to the impending release. * but Making content (in hindi or Hinglish) which tell how to use computer as tool will be best for all such Indian, Err? What is basis of this statement? I am quite sure there are many who can't read/write Hindi. Probably you mean, content in local languages, then I am all for it anyway. And I saw, one desktop manager in hindi,. For working with hidni Deskhop, I need to take a hindi to english dictionary . Those Hindi words were very difficult for me and nobody use in common language .. what will you say now, having such localized software is useful?? But that is your problem. Not the person who knows the native language well. As I said, some one somewhere deep in one corner of India, appreciates the localised software. And I gave ample examples, look around you carefully, you might find more people doing the same. My nephew work mostly on compyter by the help of indentifying icons.. How a text matter in the case we are highly addictive to GUI. Who is we here? Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS/Hindi/Aliens/Ballu/Code/iLugd
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Pradeepto Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * writing software with hindi/bangla keywords in not a useful task and will make gap between us. What is this gap you are talking about? * making software with hindi interrface may be useful to some papulation but still they can work with english interface software, provide we have given good teaching to them. Err? Why? I have met so many Germans, who use only German UI. Infact, my very good friend who is on this list even, uses a German UI since he learnt some German some months back. In case you were not aware, they even have slightly modified keyboard for their umlaut. I have seen Koreans using KDE translated in Korean. I have seen Karunkar using Hindi UI, Runa Bangla UI, Kartik using Gujarati UI. Ravi blogs only in Hindi afaics. Sri Ramadoss just finished translating complete works for RMS in to Tamil. SMC is flighting to make sure every bit of computing is done in Malayalam. Oh and guess what - they comprise of people ranging from a student to a farmer. I kid you not. KDE 4.1 translation for Malayalam was done by a farmer along with many others. You really think, he will tell his family, villagers, fellow farmers to use computers in English? Btw, now afaik, they are now translating GNOME into Malayalam to make it to the impending release. * but Making content (in hindi or Hinglish) which tell how to use computer as tool will be best for all such Indian, Err? What is basis of this statement? I am quite sure there are many who can't read/write Hindi. Probably you mean, content in local languages, then I am all for it anyway. Yes, I was focusing that , we should have content creation and tutorials making in native local language for the English GUI software (like OpenOffice , firefox) at first priority. Language is not a barrier for them, barrier is no body is their for teaching them And I saw, one desktop manager in hindi,. For working with hidni Deskhop, I need to take a hindi to english dictionary . Those Hindi words were very difficult for me and nobody use in common language .. what will you say now, having such localized software is useful?? But that is your problem. Not the person who knows the native language well. As I said, some one somewhere deep in one corner of India, appreciates the localised software. And I gave ample examples, look around you carefully, you might find more people doing the same. I not 100 % opposing localization, It is targetted to large audience. But it is not that much important task for which we have to make a openoffice clone in every language and make a docuentation in each local language, I told we have limited effort and time. we* = anyone who promote foss culture My nephew work mostly on compyter by the help of indentifying icons.. How a text matter in the case we are highly addictive to GUI. Who is we here? Cheers! Pradeepto I am quiting from the talk..Better we can end this talk. Somehow you are unable to understand what I wanted to say !! -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org │ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS/Hindi/Aliens/Ballu/Code/iLugd
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, I was focusing that , we should have content creation and tutorials making in native local language for the English GUI software (like OpenOffice , firefox) at first priority. Language is not a barrier for them, barrier is no body is their for teaching them Can you understand a chinese software if we tell you once where are the menus in a video tutorial ? No Get out of your brain and try thinking like a guy for whom A , B , C, D are strange characters like for you a chinese character And I saw, one desktop manager in hindi,. For working with hidni Deskhop, I need to take a hindi to english dictionary . Those Hindi words were very difficult for me and nobody use in common language .. what will you say now, having such localized software is useful?? But that is your problem. Not the person who knows the native language well. As I said, some one somewhere deep in one corner of India, appreciates the localised software. And I gave ample examples, look around you carefully, you might find more people doing the same. Exactly, if you were not able to work on a hindi platform that`s your shortcoming not the software`s I not 100 % opposing localization, It is targetted to large audience. But it is not that much important task for which we have to make a openoffice clone in every language and make a docuentation in each local language, I told we have limited effort and time. we* = anyone who promote foss culture Wow, Do you know that with localization we are trying to reach 72% of Indian Population ? And Do you have any idea how much money govt put per year in Localization ? -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS/Hindi/Aliens/Ballu/Code/iLugd
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:44 PM, devesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets talk about Hindi, first: I have completed my study up to 10th standard in 'Hindi only' and i had not seen a computer before/till 10th. After completion of my B.Tech in Computers, I didn't find any reason to code in 'Hindi'. May I be wrong? Because you can write in english very well and that`s shown by your email *YOU ARE NOT TARGET AUDIENCE OF HINDAWI* So, I must say we should take these two things in two different ways. However I have no hard feeling towards 'Localization', in fact, I have been working on Urdu Localization(from JMI/Sarai). Now lets observe the facts: Case 1. When both medium and technology are in 'English'. (people are local) Work-done = work (to understand the medium) + work ( to understand the technology) Throughput = most/??? Time = lesser Case 2. When medium is 'local' and technology is in 'English'. (people are local) Work-done = work ( to understand the technology) Throughput = most/lesser Time = least Case 3. When both are 'local' Work-done = work (to convert the technology into 'local' medium) + work ( to understand the technology) Throughput = ???/most Time = most Note : Case '3' will behave like case '1' after some 'effort'. Hmm, Can i have a pointer somewhere for the authenticity of this case study ? -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] G1, The Android Phone Launched
Hi! Finally, bringing all apprehensions and expectations to an end Google driven Android-powerd phone has arrived, courtesy T-Mobile and HTC. There has been a lot of doubts over whether Android based phone will ever get out of Google womb or not, and it has taken birth. But there was a lot 'closed' in Android. The good news is, the team leader of Android project has written in its blog: But there's more to the Android story. Not only does it allow all applications open access to the phone's functionality; the platform itself will also be open. The Open Handset Alliance has announced its intention to open source the entire Android platform by the end of the year. See his blog here. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ -- Swapnil Bhartiya http://ybfree.blogspot.com/ Mobile: 09910956518 === I use Free Software, what do you use? === ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Pradeepto Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why you forget about documentation ?? will documentation be in English Why? It can be in any language, how does that matter? why you forget about variable names?? If I code in hindi, with hindi vaibles, such as mera_ank that might not make any meaning after translation in Telgu. Maybe, thats what Parthan and Gaurav were hinting at. A higher level universal wrapper may help/be needed. Can't you see that as a mathematical problem and needs a solution or probably already has a solution? I am no expert but Natural Language Processing comes to my mind, please correct me if I am wrong. I think programming languages are too far away from natural languages and generally have little to do with the English language. The question of coding in specific native languages makes sense only in the context of literate programming. Otherwise programming languages have their own syntax and semantics. writing a code in computer language need some keywords, with logic, native language is not useful for code writing. Err? You do realise that the Native Language you use to program is US_en. And probably most programming languages do. So what is wrong with using Hindi/Bangla/German/Chinese instead? Different cultures have their own idioms, logic and 'general forms of interpretation'. This should mean extension of particular programming languages for those modes of thinking ... or just new programming languages. The syntactic aspect is not so important here. IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. And isn't logic independent of language. IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. As I said above that is not the case. It also depends on the number of meta levels that are used to see the logic. Programmers from different cultures will have their own ways of specifying things, representation and coding. The number of cultures that a programming language can accommodate hardly needs to bear upon its syntax. For literate programming languages, there is no room for debate. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
I think programming languages are too far away from natural languages
and generally have little to do with the English language. The
question of coding in specific native languages makes sense only in
the context of literate programming. Otherwise programming languages
have their own syntax and semantics.
I am not a developer, just a writer. But I feel just like English and
Hindi, any programming language is just another language. The primary
goal of any language is communication, and it evolves with time. So,
instead of localization of programming language (what difference does
it make to use some local replacement of {, , $ etc?). Localization
matters when it comes to UI. A farmer who wants to use a MID to know
about price cares if he can see names in his local language, a guy
sitting in small village who only knows Hindi is either way not going
to write a programme. So, I believe, localization is OK in terms of
content, but not in terms of programming language, yes if we can come
out with a new language then its all together different ball game, but
then that would become another programming language for the
programming world, just like Python and Perl, and not a *local*
language.
I hope I have not said anything beyond my understanding. If I did,
then as I said earlier -- I am a writer and not a programmer :-)
Swapnil
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[ilugd] Please don't feed the trolls
JNU and ILUGD are pleased to jointly announce the following post-graduate diploma course targeted specifically at mailing list users: Course: Please do not feed the trolls Contents: - Recognition of trolls in your neighbourhood - How to tame a troll and make him into a pet - When to feed a troll and when not to feed a troll - Illnesses of trolls, including not getting fodder to troll on Qualifications for attending: - Subscription to at least one mailing list - Sincere desire to reduce the amount of noise on the list Please send your resume and qualifications along with Rs 2500 in course fees to ``The Registrar, Troll Course, c/o /dev/null''. Looking forward to seeing you there. [For those who didn't get the pointers, this mail is meant to be a joke.] Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Please don't feed the trolls
ha ha; nice one man this one's really food for thought (for a few folks atleast!!! ) -N.S ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think programming languages are too far away from natural languages
and generally have little to do with the English language. The
question of coding in specific native languages makes sense only in
the context of literate programming. Otherwise programming languages
have their own syntax and semantics.
I am not a developer, just a writer.
But I feel just like English and
Hindi, any programming language is just another language. The primary
goal of any language is communication, and it evolves with time. So,
instead of localization of programming language (what difference does
it make to use some local replacement of {, , $ etc?). Localization
matters when it comes to UI. A farmer who wants to use a MID to know
about price cares if he can see names in his local language, a guy
sitting in small village who only knows Hindi is either way not going
to write a programme. So, I believe, localization is OK in terms of
content,
In term of content and in term of their turorial,
but not in terms of programming language, yes if we can come
out with a new language then its all together different ball game, but
then that would become another programming language for the
programming world, just like Python and Perl, and not a *local*
language.
Yes, You are getting the point. BigBang of programming has occured many year
before,, We cannot revert or translated whole Internet and Technology to all
50+ local languages of India, So the only Practical and Fast solution is to
go with currect software language and with English.
[ we Indian will try to develop next technology in Hindi or better in
Sanskrit, so we can force rest of the world to follow us ]
I hope I have not said anything beyond my understanding. If I did,
then as I said earlier -- I am a writer and not a programmer :-)
Swapnil
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Re: [ilugd] Please don't feed the trolls
On 9/23/08, Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ha ha; nice one man this one's really food for thought (for a few folks atleast!!! ) -N.S Too bad, you did not get his message and fed the trolls, just as I did now ;-) Anyway did you hear about the launch of Android today? Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Issues with Monitor Resolution
Hi, Want help from you on a issue that i'm facing with my monitor resolution,i have a dual boot windows XP and RHEL5. In Windows the monitor provide the option to set the resolution at 1024x786 but the same is not allowed here in linux. i googled a lot ,defined settings in in xorg.conf [Attached] but no resolution,some times on pressing Alt+Ctrl+[Backspace] the resolution used to get fixed,but it have just been 2-3 times. Waiting for something good from you all. Monitor :15 CRT Samsung Samtron 56v Thanks Lucky # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section ServerLayout Identifier single head configuration Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbModel pc105 Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver vesa EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Videocard0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection EndSection ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Issues with Monitor Resolution
Try settng horizontal and vertical frequencies also,, use 60Hz refresh rate,, it will sovlve you probem, Always remember two command * gnome-display-properties * system-config-display Try changing refresh rate to 60Hz,, and press Ctrl+Alt+BackSace then increase resolution to desired one and then press Ctrl+Alt+BackSacepress try these ,, it works,, on yumraj based system, What card do you have?? you are using Vesa driver,,, its a very generic driver,, try installing driver for your card and change the line Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver vesa EndSection to Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver ilug-d-driver EndSection Monitor :15 CRT Samsung Samtron 56v Thanks Lucky # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section ServerLayout Identifier single head configuration Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbModel pc105 Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver vesa EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Videocard0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection EndSection ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ │ │ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org │ │ │ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Yes, You are getting the point. BigBang of programming has occured many year before,, We cannot revert or translated whole Internet and Technology to all 50+ local languages of India, So the only Practical and Fast solution is to go with currect software language and with English. [ we Indian will try to develop next technology in Hindi or better in Sanskrit, so we can force rest of the world to follow us ] Narendra, I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should stop teaching maths, physics, chemistry etc to anyone in non-english medium schools because anyways most of the content available for these subjects is not available in their local language.. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Narendra, I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should stop teaching maths, physics, chemistry etc to anyone in non-english medium schools because anyways most of the content available for these subjects is not available in their local language.. EXACTLY -- 100% upto the point and very practical thought. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
