Pre-taped concerts(re:Shania spam and gossip)
Get this ya'll. A freind of mine who is setting up a tour for me in Canada this summer just got thru working production at the big rodeo in Houston, where many country acts played, including Shania. He said that most the show was taped (including vocals). How do artists plan to get away with this. Remember what happened to ELO. They sure end up looking like fools if the DAT fails. Oh well... Nancy flat is better than fraud What happened to ELO? Never heard that one. Apparantly what happens (aside from lip-syncing which is a completely different story or IS that what you are referring to) is that the person(s) running the sound board in the back can turn up the background singers, boost an instruments feed to drown out or help even out a voice singing off-key or can insert another singer or a pre-recorded taped selection. This is expensive and pretty precision work. The recording of the show can then be taken back to the studio for further mixing and/or correction. Some while ago there was some gossip going around which spoke of a piece of equipment which would instantaneously alter any off-pitch singing. Never saw it, so don't know but wouldn't doubt that given what they can do in the studio today, it's probably not too far off. Yes, given a million dollars in equipment to work with, we're all perfect...which actually I find quite sad. Tera BTW - there was a pretty good discussion about lip-syncing on a dejanews ng about one year ago. Concensus of opinion by the majority at that time was that lip-syncing to their own voice was okay...lots of people took into account stage fright and weather affecting vocals and the like, but they drew the line at singers lip-syncing to a tape of a completely different singer altogether. So, I guess in answer to your question, how do they get away with it is that many people don't think lip-syncing and electronic correction is a big deal. Go figure. T -
Re: Info on Black Beauty/Senor Smoke
I am looking for some background on the Michigan group, Black Beauty (new LP, "Senor Smoke"). Dont know about the band, but Senor Smoke is Auerelio Lopez, a hard throwing relief pitcher for the Detroit Tigers back in the 80s glory days. Yes, was also an applied moniker for Jose Mesa when a closer for the Cleveland Indians. Anyway, the group Black Beauty is supposedly a twang/rock group from Michigan, maybe it IS the Detroit area and advance buzz is that they're pretty good. I just can't find anything out about them at this time, though. Tera
Re: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
Jeff Wall wrote: If George had been driving a 73 Suburban, he might of not gotten hurt as bad. When I'm out there behind the wheel of my full size '89 4 wheel drive Ford Bronco, or the wife lets me drive her '65 Plymouth Deathmobile, I feel proud to be an American. Especially when I hit one of those little Geo Metro's at about 110mph. Us Americans didn't climb to the top of the world's food chain to eat tofu, be sensitive, or drive tiny ass foriegn clown cars. Nope, V-8's, Guns and dead animal flesh made us what we are today. Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 3421 Daisy Crescent - Va Beach, Va - 23456 Right on Jeff. Out her in Utah we call those lumbering big ass SUV's, particularly American made ones, Morman Assualt Vehicles (MAV's). Iceman
Re: PLAYLIST - Monday Breakfast Jam: A Morning Drivetime Show 3/1/99 ...
Yup, Otis is still hanging around as one of the resident dead heads and itinerant programmers. See him a couple of time ayear or so. He's also involved playing music with to different bands at this time. I like the Scott Kirby release a lot but I've got humg up on the Flying Boat one. Will probably switch to a different cut next monday for my regular show Iceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Doug, Thank you so much for playing Scott Kirby's "Last Flying Boat". I will let his fans know and hopefully you will get some new listeners. Is Otis (blond haired drummer, Jimmy Buffett fan) still at the station? It's been a few years since I talked to him. Meg Patrick Down East Down West Management, Inc. 1-888-876-3339
Re: Pre-taped concerts(re:Shania spam and gossip)
At 12:00 AM -0500 on 3/10/99, vgs399 wrote: Some while ago there was some gossip going around which spoke of a piece of equipment which would instantaneously alter any off-pitch singing. There's Mac software that does this -- a friend in an a cappella group uses it for voice training. I'm sure the stuff that professionals use is much, much better, but this is pretty good at helping her find those notes when she practices. Bob
RE: Shania Spam / and gossip
Joonyah: Two observations: first, I noticed a picture of Dale Watson grinnin' it up with a fan in this week's Country Music Weekly, which I looked at whilst waiting in the checkout line at the grocery Didn't realize Dale was on the radar of that august publication g. As it happens, I've bought the last two issues of Country Weekly, and if it were just a little bit cheaper or a little bit better I'd probably subscribe g. Last weeks had stories on Kathy Mattea, Kenny Chesney, Parton/Ronstadt/Harris (am I the only person who's noticed that Trio II is at #4 on Billboard's country album chart with virtually no country airplay?), Marty Stuart, the CRS, Alan Jackson, the Nammies, George Strait (lots of comments on the new album from Tony Brown) and more, reviews of Charlie Daniels, Kelly Willis and Chief Jim Billie, and an upcoming releases list that includes Rosie Flores and Tom Russell as well as more mainstream artists. The issue Junior browsed has a good feature on Bob Wills with lots of great pictures and an appreciation by Merle Haggard, a "They Say" star-quotes column that includes lines from Junior Brown and Ralph Stanley, and reviews of Kenny Chesney, Monte Warden and Rosie Flores. The Fan Page has the aforementioned Dale Watson snap, plus a nice piece on the closing down of Jim Jesse's fan club (due to its president's retirement). Dale, Skaggs, the Riders, Bobby Bare, Merle Haggard, the Nashville Bluegrass Band, Bill Anderson, the Lynn Morris Band and more are included in the tour dates. Like I said, a little less money or a little better writing and I'm there... Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Re: Paul Simon on Joe DiMaggio NYT
Barry Mazor posted: Paul Simon, who knew some things about what silence sounded like, had this to say in the NY Times this morning; what's interetsing about it to me is the indication that the very smart DiMaggio understood some of this--that there was BOTH yearning and some ironic comment in the Joltin Joe reference of that song. Quote from newspaper this morning: "Mickey Mantle once asked musician Paul Simon a burning question, at least for him. Why in "Mrs. Robinson", Simon's lament to lost heroes, did a nation turn its lonely eyes to Joe DiMaggio? Why not to him? The author David Halberstam recounted the exchange. He quoted Simon answering, politely, "It was syllables, Mickey. The syllables were all wrong." " The Cleveland Plain Dealer, Bud Shaw "Aura Of Grandeur Went Beyond The Lines" -dated 3/9/99 Yep, isn't it ironic? Paul Simon should take a seat now. Joe DiMaggio started out making $8500 in '36. By the time he quit baseball he made $100,000. In1950, he was benched for not "hitting". He sprained his ankle, had surgery to remove a bone spur from his right heel and had other leg and ankle injuries along the way . Yet, he played his heart out each and every game time and maintained an above .500 slugging percentage and an above .350 percentage with runners on base. He was a good man, a kind man who knew the rules and the oddities in life and always strove to be honest and charitable. When told that he would be throwing out the first ball in Yankee Stadium this year, Joe just smiled - that faint smile Joe always gave when in his soul he knew truth from lies. The world needs to remember his example. This man was and IS a sports hero. T- March 9, 1999 The Silent Superstar By PAUL SIMON My opinions regarding the baseball legend Joe DiMaggio would be of no particular interest to the general public were it not for the fact that 30 years ago I wrote the song "Mrs. Robinson," whose lyric "Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you" alluded to and in turn probably enhanced DiMaggio's stature in the American iconographic landscape. A few years after "Mrs. Robinson" rose to No. 1 on the pop charts, I found myself dining at an Italian restaurant where DiMaggio was seated with a party of friends. I'd heard a rumor that he was upset with the song and had considered a lawsuit, so it was with some trepidation that I walked over and introduced myself as its composer. I needn't have worried: he was perfectly cordial and invited me to sit down, whereupon we immediately fell into conversation about the only subject we had in common. "What I don't understand," he said, "is why you ask where I've gone. I just did a Mr. Coffee commercial, I'm a spokesman for the Bowery Savings Bank and I haven't gone anywhere." I said that I didn't mean the lines literally, that I thought of him as an American hero and that genuine heroes were in short supply. He accepted the explanation and thanked me. We shook hands and said good night. Now, in the shadow of his passing, I find myself wondering about that explanation. Yes, he was a cultural icon, a hero if you will, but not of my generation. He belonged to my father's youth: he was a World War II guy whose career began in the days of Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig and ended with the arrival of the youthful Mickey Mantle (who was, in truth, my favorite ballplayer). In the 50's and 60's, it was fashionable to refer to baseball as a metaphor for America, and DiMaggio represented the values of that America: excellence and fulfillment of duty (he often played in pain), combined with a grace that implied a purity of spirit, an off-the-field dignity and a jealously guarded private life. It was said that he still grieved for his former wife, Marilyn Monroe, and sent fresh flowers to her grave every week. Yet as a man who married one of America's most famous and famously neurotic women, he never spoke of her in public or in print. He understood the power of silence. He was the antithesis of the iconoclastic, mind-expanding, authority-defying 60's, which is why I think he suspected a hidden meaning in my lyrics. The fact that the lines were sincere and that they've been embraced over the years as a yearning for heroes and heroism speaks to the subconscious desires of the culture. We need heroes, and we search for candidates to be anointed. Why do we do this even as we know the attribution of heroic characteristics is almost always a distortion? Deconstructed and scrutinized, the hero turns out to be as petty and ego-driven as you and I. We know, but still we anoint. We deify, though we know the deification often kills, as in the cases of Elvis Presley, Princess Diana and John Lennon. Even when the recipient's life is spared, the fame and idolatry poison and injure. There is no doubt in my mind that DiMaggio suffered for being DiMaggio. We inflict this damage without malice because
Re: Paul Simon on Joe DiMaggio NYT
He was a good man, a kind man who knew the rules and the oddities in life and always strove to be honest and charitable. When told that he would be throwing out the first ball in Yankee Stadium this year, Joe just smiled - that faint smile Joe always gave when in his soul he knew truth from lies. The world needs to remember his example. This man was and IS a sports hero. where have you gone joe dimaggio.here's hoping to an even better place.
Re: ELO
If I remember right, in the "olden days" when bands actually performed "for real," ELO was doing a bunch of dates all tapes. The gear screwed up and they got busted, made fools of themselves and it was the talk of the day. They faded away... ah, but now that we are so open minded, and even have karaoke, they are doing a "come back tour"
Re: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
Jeff Wall wrote: If George had been driving a 73 Suburban, he might of not gotten hurt as bad. When I'm out there behind the wheel of my full size '89 4 wheel drive Ford Bronco, or the wife lets me drive her '65 Plymouth Deathmobile, I feel proud to be an American. Especially when I hit one of those little Geo Metro's at about 110mph. Us Americans didn't climb to the top of the world's food chain to eat tofu, be sensitive, or drive tiny ass foriegn clown cars. Nope, V-8's, Guns and dead animal flesh made us what we are today. Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 3421 Daisy Crescent - Va Beach, Va - 23456 Jeff- you are the greatest unpublished (book-wise) American humorist today. You never cease to cause me severe belly laughs. Thanks for letting me contribute to RR and do take care over in the Gulf. As I drive a Bronco also, I must say you totally cracked me up with this post(as usual). I will miss you. Good luck and God speed in your travels and special blessings to your gorgeous wife and kids. Write a book, Jeff Tera
Re:Lindley benfit SXSW (was: Shania Spam )
..., who else will be playing at that Saturday night Donald Lindley benefit at the Texas Union Ballroom. You mentioned Jimmy Dale and Kimmie. I do believe I'll be there. Thanks, --junior And is there more than one event, or has the night and venue cxhanged? Mistuh Corder noted the copy below the other day-- for SUNDAY night, opposite the Escovedo event--but besides being worthwhile (helping the family), it would more than arguably the best show going Saturday night, if that's when it is now I also would want to know what you have to do to sign up, if you still can... (I'd otherwise been thinking about some Saturday night "running around town" combo like Alvin Youngblood Hart to Damon Bramlett to Kelly Willis, to the tail end of Robbie Fulks maybe and the Bottle Rockets/Meat Puppets finishBut considering there's that breakfast deal you scoped out Junior, and the afternoon with the No Depression/Miles of Weisses party it's already set to be one long great day..the Texas Union Ballroom, even with possible seats, turned out to be a good way to end it last year! So if it's Saturday, does the line-up below still apply--plus the Church of Kimmie revival...and what do you have to do, Joe or somebody? Barry M. Jerald had said: There is a benefit for Donald Lindley's family Sunday night, March 21 at Stubbs with Lucinda, Joe Ely, Terry Allen, Rosie Flores, Will and Charlie Sexton and more. You will have to pay for this event, no badges or wristbands get you in.
Sebadoh in NYC
Anyone headed to the Sebadoh show in NYC on Thursday night at the Bowery Ballroom?? If you want to meet up mail me offlist. Also, anyone know when Bowery Ballroom shows **really** start??? The ticket says 9pm, but I don't believe it. Steve Kirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Clip == G. Jones - Album Hold/40 yrs of White Lightning/Tour
Hi folks, FYI - The Tennessean has daily Jones updates and related stories at the following URL: http://www.tennessean.com Here's one from yesterday which mentioned George's 40th anniversary of "White Lightning" entering the chartsproof positive that time sure does fly. *Jones' album on hold while he recovers * By Jay Orr / Tennessean Staff Writer March 9, 1999 George Jones and his wife, Nancy, were supposed to host a dinner at his home tomorrow night for 30 country radio deejays. Instead, Jones will be at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, where he continues to recover from injuries suffered Saturday when his Lexus sport utility vehicle crashed into a concrete bridge abutment on Highway 96 near Franklin. That Jones is eager to play his new recordings for country radio decision- makers is significant. Although the 67-year-old Country Music Hall of Fame member continues to have a strong fan base, which allows him to tour regularly, country radio stations have all but stopped playing his new singles. "I don't think many radio people have been invited to George's house during the last few years. This is how confident we are about the quality of his new stuff," says Evelyn Shriver, president of Asylum Records, the label that will issue the next Jones album. Work on the new album will stop until Jones can participate again in the decision-making process, Shriver says. "I don't want to do anything until George can discuss it with me, and that probably won't be for a while. I want this to be George's album. I want every moment of it to be what he wants," the label chief says. Jones' booking agent, Reggie Mac of Associated Talent, is rescheduling "22 or 24 dates" that Jones would have played through the middle of June, including an April 30 concert at the Ryman Auditorium with Allison Moorer. "Other than the Ryman (which would have gone on sale this Saturday), all the dates were sold out," Mac said yesterday. "Everybody's been very understanding, and we don't anticipate losing any of the dates," Mac said. "In a situation like this, ticket-holders usually hold on to their tickets. If they've got good seats, they want to keep their good seats." Jones normally works around 80 dates a year, said Mac, who has booked the "Possum" for 11 years. Only about 10 to 15 dates remained open for 1999. Jones would have begun his regular touring schedule this Friday at a 2,500-seat hall in Jim Thorpe, Pa. Through June, the man once dubbed "No Show" Jones was scheduled to appear in 11 different states, working three to four weekends at a time, alternating with 10-day layoffs. Rescheduling the spring dates probably will mean Jones will not do his normal West Coast run in the fall, Mac says, making that swing next spring instead. Jones' first No. 1 country single, White Lightning, entered the country singles chart 40 years ago today, on March 9, 1959. The song stayed at No. 1 for five weeks. Shriver had hoped to link the June release of the new album to the 40th anniversary. "I don't think we'll be far off schedule," she says. "That's the truth of the matter."
Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick
Stevie explained; And it remains unavailable legitmately. And yes, Dan, our venerable British Board of Film Classification has a pretty tight grip on video over here. I' m expecting things to loosen up a little now that James Ferman (an expat Yank!) has gone. I hear that The Exorcist is finally getting a certificate. That's one that Ferman thought was likely to have a disturbing effect on teenage girls, and consequently was refused a certificate. He also has a bee in his bonnet about drug abuse, and took his shears to scenes in Pulp Fiction and Trainspotting (on vid) as a consequence. Good god; you guys should take his Yankee ass and boil it in the Tower dungeon. When I saw over there I actually took a tour of the London Dungeon, whatwith all of the reenactments of boilings, draw-and-quarterings, stretchings, etc etc. It''ll plant all kinds of ideas in your head depending on how many enemies you have in this world g. Anyway, things aren't all that much better over here with all the closings of independent video outlets and the effective banning of "Lolita" and "Last Temptation of Christ" through sudden mysterious fire code-violations and "Hollywood distribution fears", etc.. There's a lot of scared and small- minded folk in this world. But I'm serious-you guys oughta just fry that so-called American assmunch. You have my permission. dan bentele
RE: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
I'm not for a total ban on SUV's. I kinda like the old models, but I'm not crazy about having 20 of em to one car on every road hiway biway expressway I'm on. As more and more people buy them, the driving skills go way down. People who have no idea how to drive these behemouths, jump behind the wheel, turn on all 20 headlights, charge up like a rhino right on your ass and then swerve and crash in the snow cos they think "hey, they drive these Expeditions up mountians in the commercials: that snow bank is nuthin!" After the last huge snowstorm, I heard truckers laughing about SUV's who sped by them on the interstate, only to end up upside down in the ditch later. News reports had Chicago littered with stuck SUV's, as their owners learned that they don't know how to drive em in bad weather, and that most of the new models can't hack rough driving conditions. This led to the auto industry insisting their vehicals were safe and rugged. An industry known for its honesty. Course, the newer SUV's are built for luxury, not for actual four wheeling, so that people can cart around their grocery bags surrounded by plush leather, 10 speaker 14 cd changer, etc and are far from able to handle rough terrain, especially when driven by a certified moron of a soccor mom with a car phone in one hand and a mascara pen in the other, while a cup of Starbucks Cappacino Lite w Goat Milk Steam balances on her leg as she dashes impatiently to Target, running down your ass cos you dare to drive somewhere around the speed limit. Meanwhile, stats are showing that these monsters are killing people more and more, not the drivers of the SUV's, of course, who are safely cushioned behind all that good old American Steel, but yes, people like those of us who think life on the road is complete with a Ford Escort Wagon. And with more SUV's being sold by owners, they are bought used by younger drivers, more prone to vehicular stupidity, thus increasing accidents and spreading mayhem ads they traverse the rough terrain between the malls and suburbs. Now Ford is coming out with a 19 foot long monster called the "Excursion." Coming to a parking lot near you, where they -duh- won't fit into a standard parking place. But as long as it's good American Steel I also hate those new big pickups, which are now considered luxury transportation. Why have a pick up if you're gonna keep the bed sealed with a cover? Which most everyone of these Ram pickups have. Why buy it if you ain't gonna use it? This current rage is doomed, of course, as soon as gas prices start edging back up. Then all your fine American Steel (made in another country, most likely) will be rusting in used car lots, as people realize it's impossible to keep up the payments (course, they're all leased, another fraud encouraged by the auto industry so we have to keep buying new cars: say no to leasing and keep your car awhile: that's the true American way!) and buy the gas. The simple fact that most people drive SUV's in conditions that far from warrant their use (you don't need 4 wheel drive in central Ohio), they drive them just cos the Jone's next door have one, shows that one thing you can say about our country is that we don't learn a damn thing, we just keep trucking on, oblivious to anything but the here and now and what's mine and get the hell out of my way. -Original Message- From: Geff King [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 5:31 PM To: passenger side Subject: RE: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Matt Benz wrote: Oh shutup! I drive a Ford. SUV's are for..! (sound of Hummer going by) I think Jeff Wall is yanking a few virtual chains... Also, if you have to outlaw SUV's then you have to outlaw Ford vans, too. Know who owned a Ford van? Red Sovine. Course you knew that... -- Geff King * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www2.ari.net/gking/ "Don't let me catch you laughin' when the jukebox cries" - Kinky Friedman, "Sold American"
Country Music Weekly (was: Shania Spam)
How ironic that comments on Country Music Weekly should replace a thread titled "Shania Spam" g Anyhow, Jon summarized the surprisingly catholic contents of this perennial of the checkout lines and said: Like I said, a little less money or a little better writing and I'm there... This is true! I also remember the photo of Junior Brown with the zinger: "I don't like to call it "alt-country" cause that sounds like you're *against* something. I'd rather call it "free-range" country." When I don't read it in the checkout line, I read it at my parents', since my retired academic of a father has a subscription. Does this mean it's better than academic journals?? g. -jnyah
Re:Lindley benefits at SXSW? (was: Shania Spam )
Barry, I first learned about the Saturday night Lindley benefit (Texas Union Ballroom) from Joe's post yesterday, so I figure he can give us more info when he logs back on... Joe??? g... Judging from his comment there, I assumed there are 2 Lindley benefits: Saturday night at the Union Ballroom, Sunday afternoon at Stubbs And why not? And yup, my feeling is that a Sat night show of this sort would definitely make it the thing I would want most to see that night. So Joe, fill us in!!! ---junior
RE: Country Music Weekly (was: Shania Spam)
When I don't read it in the checkout line, I read it at my parents', since my retired academic of a father has a subscription. Does this mean it's better than academic journals?? g. I assume that's a rhetorical question, since "yes" is a given. FWIW, Country Music monthly generally has better writing and more thorough coverage than CMW, and it's cheaper, too, which is why I subscribe to it. Of course, you don't get the latest news as quickly that way, but things move slowly around here anyhow. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
RE: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
You go, Matt! The art of the Jeremiad is not dead!!! g. Those Mormon Assault Vehicles do suck. All they are is symbols of ADY syndrome (Advanced Decadent Yuppiedom, of course) --junior
Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, things aren't all that much better over here with all the closings of independent video outlets and the effective banning of "Lolita" and "Last Temptation of Christ" through sudden mysterious fire code-violations and "Hollywood distribution fears", etc.. There's a lot of scared and small- minded folk in this world. Am I right in thinking that blockbuster have the monopoly over there, and that they release their own edited versions of controversial videos? Is there a Christian as chairman of the board? Or is all this vicious rumour? Just wondering. Respond off-list, Dan, anyone, if you want to kill off this particular off-topic topic. Stevie
RE: Country Music Weekly (was: Shania Spam)
Jon: FWIW, Country Music monthly generally has better writing and more thorough coverage than CMW, and it's cheaper, too, which is why I subscribe to it. Of course, you don't get the latest news as quickly that way, but things move slowly around here anyhow. Yeah, but kinda like that weekly tabloidesque fix And if I subscribed, what would I read in the checkout line?? Grocery store visits would lose one of their few redeeming elements. CMW, for ex., is where I've kept up with cool news like Billie Jean Horton getting mugged, etc. I mean, who else reports Billie Jean news? Who else even *dreams* that their readership would know who Billie Jean is (was?). Gotta love 'em. --junior
RE: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
Now I'm lookin up Jeremiad.. -Original Message- From: Ph. Barnard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 3:36 AM To: passenger side Subject: RE: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm You go, Matt! The art of the Jeremiad is not dead!!! g. Those Mormon Assault Vehicles do suck. All they are is symbols of ADY syndrome (Advanced Decadent Yuppiedom, of course) --junior
Re: Country Music Weekly (was: Shania Spam)
Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 10-Mar-99 Country Music Weekly (was: .. by "Ph. Barnard"@eagle.cc.u This is true! I also remember the photo of Junior Brown with the zinger: "I don't like to call it "alt-country" cause that sounds like you're *against* something. I'd rather call it "free-range" country." Cool. My show promo reads: "Fear Whiskey: Free-range radio for open minds." Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 10-Mar-99 Country Music Weekly (was: .. by "Ph. Barnard"@eagle.cc.u When I don't read it in the checkout line, I read it at my parents', since my retired academic of a father has a subscription. Does this mean it's better than academic journals?? g. If I get articles in it, can I add 'em to my c.v.? Carl Z.
Re: Country Music Weekly (was: Shania Spam)
Ph. Barnard wrote: Junior Brown with the zinger: "I don't like to call it "alt-country" cause that sounds like you're *against* something. I'd rather call it "free-range" country." There we go. That's it!.
Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick
Blockbuster isn't a monopoly but they have a large share of the video market. Other chains such as West Coast and Tower seem to be viable, and there are plenty of independent video stores in business, knock wood. When Wayne Huizenga (also the man who gutted the Florida Marlins and fired Don Shula) ran Blockbuster, they did edit videos, and if I remember correctly, they didn't distributed Last Temptation of Christ at all. Since he sold to Paramount/Viacom, I don't know if that still happens; I haven't been inside a Blockbuster for years. Carl Z. Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 10-Mar-99 Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick by Stevie Simkin@interalpha Am I right in thinking that blockbuster have the monopoly over there, and that they release their own edited versions of controversial videos? Is there a Christian as chairman of the board? Or is all this vicious rumour? Just wondering. Respond off-list, Dan, anyone, if you want to kill off this particul ar off-topic topic.
RE: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
Matt: Now I'm lookin up Jeremiad.. Heh... g. Jeremiad's were a particular form of sermon in 16th-17th century Calvinist culture, consisting of long and elaborate complaints and inveighings against the fallen-ness of current times. So-named from the book of Jeremiah, wherein the prophet expresses outrage at current sinfulness and a sense of futility about calling upon the people to get rid of their damn SUVs!!! (Sadducean Utility Vehicles??). Cultural historians talk about a tradition of the Jeremiad that extends through later American culture: eloquent railing and hollering against the decadence of the day, etc... --junior
Radio/media for tour/record promotion?
My band is setting up a very short tour up the Mississippi corridor from Austin to launch the record that we'll be finishing any day now. We'd like to have (gasp!) people at the shows, even though we don't get out of Austin too much, so we're trying to find media outlets that we can barrage with hookers and blow. I'm thinking radio appearances, reviews of the record, in-stores, mentions in "recommended" lists, etc. The band is the Barkers; we played at Twangfest II and have a song on the Edges/P2 comp CD. We're more pop than alt-country but there's a significant amount of country in there. It looks like we are going to go to the following cities, in more or less this order: Memphis, St. Louis, Chicago, Columbia MO, Kansas City, Lawrence/Topeka/Manhattan? somewhere in Kansas. I'm trying to find out what the weekly entertainment rags and left-end FM stations might be pliable; what record stores might be willing to do in-stores for a band with self-released product; what DJs might set up studio appearances in a likely time slot. Any info for me? Thanks, Bill Gribble The Barkers
Re: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
Jeff Wall wrote: Although I regularly consume the dead flesh of little critters, I prefer to hunt the little bastards at my local grocery store. snip The fact that Jeff Wall and I can coexist is a fine example of what makes P2 is a beautiful thing. Now if he'd just stop hogging the sheets, we'd get along a lot better. Dave, who eats tofu, has shot a gun once in his life, is way left politically, and drives a tiny foreign clown car most of the time *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
Re: instrumentally speaking
Carl Abraham Zimring wrote: One last post on rock/alt.country instrumentals and then I'll shut up. The body of work by several Chicago and Louisville-based rock musicians spawned by punk and post-punk bands such as Squirrel Bait, Bastro and Bitch Magnet includes a lot of acoustic instrumental work. This is a pretty big tent definition of alt.country, but Jim O'Rourke/David Grubbs/Gastr del Sol do a lot with John Fahey's American acoustic guitar stylings. It's at least alt.Americana if not alt.country. The Pullman record we brought up last summer (featuring members of Tortoise and Come) also fits into this style. Everytime I'd hear some of this stuff on the radio (college radio, that is), it would bore the pants of me. It all sounded like when my guitar player and I would get baked on hash, turn our vibrato and reverb up to 9, and play an E chord for an hour. Am I listening to the wrong stuff or am I just right in thinking a lot of this stuff is uninspired noodling suckage? I dig experimental/ambient stuff when it's done well, I'm just not convinced that O'Rourke and Grubbs are the cat's pajamas that everyone makes them out to be. Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
RE: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
I (heart) Matt Benz. rebecca -Original Message- From: Matt Benz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I'm not for a total ban on SUV's. I kinda like the old models, but I'm not crazy about having 20 of em to one car on every road hiway biway expressway I'm on
FW: A Pop Quiz
-Original Message- From: Matt Benz Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 8:57 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [twangfest] for all you retros: a guilty pop quiz! I made this up for the Twangfest side list. I guess I made it too hard, so I'm bouncing it to P2 as well. I hope to do quizzes every now and again, prizes of dubious nature to be awarded at TF. Don't worry if you think there's too many 80's tunes here. Future quizzes will draw heavily from different eras and genres. Have fun! And Oh yeh- please post back to me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) instead of list. Answers monday... All pop hits. Name the song and band. 5 points a question. "Tongue tied or short of breath, don't even try. Try a little harder." -1982 "Your love is like a shadow on me all of the time; I don't know what to do and I'm always in the dark." -1982 "Pretty eyes, pirate smile, you'll marry a music man." -1971 "That rich guy you've been seein' must have put you down..." -1966 "I never cared too much for games, and this one's drivin' me insane; you're not half as free to wander as you claim." -1975 "Johnny and Eddie and me and Jimmy and Jack are gonna do a little number on the teacher when she turns her back." -1983 "I can't lie, I can't tell you that I'm something I'm not, no matter how I try. I'll never be able to give you something that I just haven't got." -1977 So I'm on a ride and I want to get off, but they won't slow down the roundabout. I sold the Renoir and the TV set, don't wanna be around when this gets out." -1983 "...and with her head upon his shoulder his young and lovely financee. From where I stood I saw she was cryin and through her tears I heard her say..." -1973 "Guilty feet have got no rhythm." -1984 "I see on us the shore beneath the bright sunshine, We walked along St Thomas beach a million times. Hand in hand. Two barefoot lovers kissin in the sand." -1976 "Once in every life, someone comes along, and you came to me, it was" -1977 "On a morning from a Bogart movie in a country where they turned back time. You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre contemplating a crime." -1976 "Look around, be a part, feel for the winter but don't have a cold heart." -1978 "Sun goes down on a silky day; quarter moon walkin thru the Milky Way. Oh you and me baby, we could think of something to do. It's the" -1977 "And I would've walked head on into the deep end of the river, clinging to your stocks and bonds, paying your H.P. demands forever. They're comin in the morning with a truck to take me home." -1975 "Friday night and the lights are low..." -1977 "Did you ever read about a frog who dreamed of bein' a king...and then became one..." -1971 "Woman you want me, give me a sign and catch my breathing even closer behind." -1983 "Don't get too tiredfor love. Don't let it end. Don't say goodnight to love. It may never be the same again. Don't..." -1979 "I see you, you see me. Watch you blowing the lines when you're making a scene." -1981 "Money talks. But it don't sing and dance and it don't walk. As long as I can have you hear with me, I'd much rather be." -1978 "When I was young, I never needed anyone. And makin' love was just for fun." 1975 "Just a small town girl on a saturday night looking for the fight of her life." 1983 "There was a man, a lonely man who lost his love thru his indifference. A heart that cared that went unshared until it died within his silence. And ** the only game in town." 1975 "You really should accept this time he's gone for good. He'll never come back now even though he said he would. So darling, dry your eyes, so many other guys would give the world, I'm sure to wear the shoes he wore. Oh come on now..." 1969 "What's your price for flight." 1984 "Boy! Now in the street there is violence. And lot's of work to be done." 1982 "I've always been the kind of man who doesn't believe in strings; long term obligations are just unnecessary things. But girl you've got me thinking while I'm drinking one more beer If I'm headed for a heartache then why the hell am I still here?" 1979 "From deep inside the tears that I forced to cry. From deep inside the pain that I choose to hide. Just Walk away" 1966 "Huh huh huh huuuh huh. So true...how funny it seems...always in time, but never in line for dreams." 1983 "He's got this dream about buying some land, he's gonna give up the booze and the one night stands and then you'll settle down with some quiet little town and forget about everything." 1978 "Said farewell to my last hotel it never was much kind of abode. Glascow town never brought me down when I was headed out on the road." 1974 "Well, your friends with their fancy persausion, don't admit that it's part of a scheme. But I can't help my suspicion, cause I ain't as dumb as I seem..." 1975 "It ain't right with love to
RE: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
Why have a pick up if you're gonna keep the bed sealed with a cover? 1. So when you go to the dump, you can stuff the back of it with your trash and not have to worry about it blowing out. 2. Gas mileage is better because it makes it more aerodynamic than the open bed. 3. When you need to move something or carry a lot of stuff, you don't have to worry about it getting rained on or snowed on. 4. People steal stuff out of the open bed. A locking cover, although obviously not a complete theft deterrent, does slow down some people. I've had the same pickup with an open bed, a tonneau cover and now with a full fiberglass cap and I wouldn't trade the full fiberglass cap for anything. -paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: instrumentally speaking
Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 10-Mar-99 Re: instrumentally speaking by "Dave Purcell"@one.net Am I listening to the wrong stuff or am I just right in thinking a lot of this stuff is uninspired noodling suckage? I'd say the former, as much that could be called noodling (Phish, bores me to tears and I love Gastr, O'Rourke's _Bad Timing_ LP and so forth. If you don't like John Fahey (a pretty concise player to my ears), this stuff may not be for you. Carl Z.
Re: instrumentally speaking
Haven't been following this thread, but for altcountry instrumentalisms, has anyone mentioned the "Travis County Pickin'" album? All twang, no noodling Still the best recent instrumental album I know of, an album that gets regular time in my changer two (or three?) years after it came out. --junior
RE: SUV's suck
Greeting from Memphis, the car-jack car-stealin rape capitol of America SUV's suck. I can fit my PA, 2 guitars, small amp, and even a 3 piece drum kit in my 62 Mercury (and the dingle balls, hula girl, black power air freshener, and dice look pretty fabulous driving down the road too). Yes, I carry a cell phone in case I get stuck in the ghetto. But if I do in my car, I know enough about it to maybe get it going again (unless I am stupid enpough to run out of gas got mugged once when I let that happen). But atleast in my car, no one in the ghetto want to mess with me as much as if I was in a brand new $500 a month SUV. Hell, they could figure out how to crank my car! And with my neon under plate floaters, they sure as hell will be easily spotted when I get the cops on thier ass.
RE: Joe Henry - Fuse (over the wall post)
Chad wrote: I was going to go see him, but now I don't know if I should waste my time. So would anyone be willing to enlighten me, or tell me why I'm listening the wrong way, etc.? If Joe Henry's recent appearance on Sessions At West 54th is any indication, he is well worth seeing live in his most recent incarnation (I saw him open for UT years ago). I'm more a fan of his "Kindness of the World" period and was slow to come around to "Trampoline" as well. But in particular I recall the versions of "Ohio Air Show Crash" and "Like She Was A Hammer" (one of the best songs on "Fuse") really swung on the show. The grooves he uses sound a bit more musical and less mechanical live. Plus he's an interesting guy to watch perform. I really like "...Hammer" and "Skin Teeth" from the new one and the rest of it is growing on me. Give it another shot and don't miss the show. Peace, Slonedog
Re: The Barkers
Bill, send me your CD and I will see what I can do, or you to recommend you to in Memphis. You should also try to do Oxford, MS Nancy Apple 3992 Hawkins Mill Road Memphis, TN 38128
RE: Joe Henry - Fuse (over the wall post)
"Fuse" is a great song - listen to the lyrics, particularly the image of "her fingers on your lips are like a penny for a fuse". And "Great Lake" is stellar as well, with that first stanza situation of the guy who's got the crush on the girl who's resting her hands on his shoulders while part of a group in a restaurant, and eyes closed, thinking she's talking to him, only to open his eyes and disappointedly discover she's happy to see someone else. 'course this was my first JH, which I picked up thanks to pre-babble on P2, so I guess I'm the reverse - liking _Fuse_, then _Trampoline_ (which I bought), then the countrified discs. Chris Chad wrote: I was going to go see him, but now I don't know if I should waste my time. So would anyone be willing to enlighten me, or tell me why I'm listening the wrong way, etc.? I'm more a fan of his "Kindness of the World" period and was slow to come around to "Trampoline" as well. But in particular I recall the versions of "Ohio Air Show Crash" and "Like She Was A Hammer" (one of the best songs on "Fuse") really swung on the show. The grooves he uses sound a bit more musical and less mechanical live. Plus he's an interesting guy to watch perform. I really like "...Hammer" and "Skin Teeth" from the new one and the rest of it is growing on me. Give it another shot and don't miss the show. Peace, Slonedog
RE: BIRCHMERE 03/18 (was Re: DC Black Cat)
Count me in as another P2er who'll be heading to the Birchmere for the Steve Del show on the 18th. For those of you who may be coming to town for the show, you may be interested to know that the V-Roys are playing the next night at IOTA, a cool small club in Arlington, Virginia. Looks like an E-Squared week shaping up. See ya, Slonedog
Re: Shania Spam / and gossip
BARNARD wrote: Joe: Asinine as it may be (and I hate it with great passion), that has been going on for many years now with touring acts. Screwing up would be nearly impossible now with backup systems in place. You'd be suprised and horrified to learn how many arena acts are doing this. Are a majority of arena acts, say, doing this? Just wondering. I don't know how many, I just know that the practice is probably more common than we suspect simply because it has been around for so many years, unless it became passé because it wasn't really an improvement. I do know that things like loops and triggered stuff are in common use. Second, Joe, please let us know, when you can, who else will be playing at that Saturday night Donald Lindley benefit at the Texas Union Ballroom. You mentioned Jimmy Dale and Kimmie. I do believe I'll be there. As of now, the only acts I am aware of are Jimmie Dale, Kimmie, and Hal Ketchum. However, I think there are more and I will know that this week when we rehearse. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Re: Shania Spam / and gossip
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/9/99 9:47:00 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You'd be suprised and horrified to learn how many arena acts are doing this. AHA!!! Now we know why Kimmie always sounds so good at the Cactus Cafe. G Slim exactly. In fact, our whole three-piece act is a giant loop that I have burned onto a CD hidden in my amp. None of us play a note and all of Kimmie's vocals are lipsynched. this takes away any chance of a nasty little error intruding into the perfection, and saves her voice for talking on the phone. Actually, if I could get Dave Pomeroy to do all of my bass parts and put them into a loop it would be a great improvement to the act. I shall act upon that at once. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Clockwork Orange (was Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick)
Regarding "A Clockwork Orange", Iain Noble wrote: If I'm baffled by anything it's Tom's description of the film as 'decadent' and 'appalling'. I think he's confusing depiction with approval. and You might disapprove of what something shows or says but that doesn't mean it's bad art. I've tried before to articulate my disgust with this film, and I usually end up pointing to another Chicago critic: A Clockwork Orange Capsule by Dave Kehr From the Chicago Reader A very bad film--snide, barely competent, and overdrawn--that enjoys a perennial popularity, perhaps because its confused moral position appeals to the secret Nietzscheans within us. It's a movie that Leopold and Loeb would have loved, endorsing brutality in the name of nonconformism. At best, Stanley Kubrick's 1971 film suggests an Animal House with bogus intellectual trappings. But the trappings--the rationalizations and spurious arguments--are what make it genuinely irresponsible, genuinely abhorrent. With Malcolm McDowell, Patrick Magee, and Michael Bates. A number of friends have told me to see "Silence of the Lambs", and I've avoided it for the same reasons that I dislike "Clockwork Orange". I don't think you can make a good movie (or good art) about serial killers who eat people or about amoral rapists. http://onfilm.chireader.com/MovieCaps/C/CL/02005_CLOCKWORK_ORANGE.html -- Tom Mohr at the office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and when the office server is down: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Lindley benfit SXSW (was: Shania Spam )
Barry Mazor wrote: Jerald had said: There is a benefit for Donald Lindley's family Sunday night, March 21 at Stubbs with Lucinda, Joe Ely, Terry Allen, Rosie Flores, Will and Charlie Sexton and more. You will have to pay for this event, no badges or wristbands get you in. I'll hold Gilmore down until I get the correct info from him. He can be pretty damn vague. We rehearse with him tomorrow. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Re: SUV's suck
Good for you, and I'm glad you love your 62 Merc. I happen to love my SUV, fit all my gear into it, I'm a damn good driver, and I hate Starbuck's. This is much like the music debate, either you like it or you don't...but please don't try and stamp a # on my forehead and call me just another asshole because I drive an SUV. This is great. Here we are, an incredibly open minded community when it comes to music, but quick to plug SUV drivers as a certain type. My wife owns an Pathfinder, and I am thrilled. Unlike her last little dinky car, I like the idea that she's got a hunk o metal around her surrounding her. Makes me feel more at ease that she's gonna come home to me unscathed every single day. I like that feeling when it comes to the most important thing I have going in my life. That's worth the price and the stigma right there. Of course, the reason *to* bag on SUVs is because their emission standards are lower than cars. In LA, this means the quality of air, which actually has been improving in recent years, is on the way toward greater brownness again. To me, that's enough of a reason to never buy one again. I don't like contributing to the further deterioration of the air I breathe. Anyhoo, OBTwang, the new Alejandro is quite nice, if a bit brief. Nine songs, half of them covers, the other half equally as engaging originals. It's mostly acoustic rock with strings, not unlike most of the live album. Off to work. I got me a day job for awhile. Gone (temporarily) are the days of sweats, slippers and cats. Neal Weiss
RE: BIRCHMERE 03/18 (was Re: DC Black Cat)
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:53:51 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Count me in as another P2er who'll be heading to the Birchmere for the Steve Del show on the 18th. For those of you who may be coming to town for the show, you may be interested to know that the V-Roys are playing the next night at IOTA, a cool small club in Arlington, Virginia. Looks like an E-Squared week shaping up. I wish I could make that one. IOTA is indeed a great little club and has provided a much needed shot in the arm to the DC-NOVA roots scene. In a little over a year, I've managed to catch Freakwater (I know, I know...), Buckner, Whiskeytown, Dem Gourds, and Cheri Knight (twice!). Due to distance and week nights, I've missed even more great shows. The owner now knows me and my friends as "those guys from Charlottesville." I wish we had a place like IOTA here, since, for numerous reasons, C'ville often gets skipped over by many of the rock-oriented roots acts on their East Coast swings. Thanks to everyone for responding to my Black Cat inquiry and for explaining the nature of the mysterious "fluff" list. William Cocke Senior Writer HSC Development University of Virginia (804) 924-8432
Re: Biller and Wakefield and Les Negresses Vertes
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Dina Gunderson wrote: Don wrote: On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cuts such as "Martian Guts," on which Wakefield trades rapid-fire licks with Telecaster man Dave Biller (no slouch himself) and Robert Williams' "Steel Crazy," which sports a guest vocal by Big Sandy No to be overly pedantic or anything, but Robert Williams *is* Big Sandy.--don Now, don't make it look as though Evan is that dumb--it came from E-Pulse. Jeez, that's *twice* I've done that. Sorry, Evan. Feel free to clip some dubious statement from an article of your choice and attribute it to me.g--don
Re: unsubscribe
I know it took me quite a while to get the hang of hangin' on. I'm the guy who after 6 weeks or so added up a couple of weeks and did a breakdown of who was sending how much and about what. Hard to believe I did that but it helped me through my first couple of months of hardcore P2 use/lurking. The Twangfest/fluff list helps but to the uninitiated I simply say... stoke yur technology and ride the Great Twang-huna! jb Jeff Weiss wrote: At 09:02 AM 3/9/99 -0500, you wrote: Call me a sadist -- shudup Curry -- but I get a little thrill out of these. Just imagine the panic that must set in when someone subs because they heard about this list and in a day they get slammed with 200 messages, some of which might actually be on topic. this list, my friends, is not for the faint of heart. Now, back to your arguing. jeff
RE: SUV's suck
I can fit my PA, 2 guitars, small amp, and even a 3 piece drum kit in my 62 Mercury (and the dingle balls, hula girl, black power air freshener, and dice look pretty fabulous driving down the road too). OK, I can accept someone who is driving a Ford Escort station wagon to say that SUVs are gas guzzling machines. I'm a little more confused by somone owning a 62 Mercury trashing SUVs. If it's because you hate the people that often drive them (and I won't say 'always'), that's fine. Hopefully you don't mind when those same people make rash judgements about you as a slacker musician driving an old car. (My point there isn't that you are a slacker musician- my point is, stereotypes aren't always true). Sure, there are assholes who drive SUVs and there are a lot of people who think they can handle like a car. There are also assholes who drive every type of car imagineable. If you hate SUVs because they are gas guzzling machines, my guess is, the emissions on a 62 Mercury are probably not going through a catalytic converter so it's doing more than it's fair share of polluting. Plus, I doubt it's getting the 35 MPG that the Escort is. And then we have people living in split level suburban homes bashing SUVs. Would those be suburban homes that either a) destroyed farmlands b) wetlands or c) some animal habitat or just contributed to the fact that we all need cars in the first place to drive from our suburban sprawl to our jobs?. How did George Jones' driving mistake turn into this conversation? Jee-sus! -paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
Jeff Wall; what Tera said. You are an unmitigated genius. Publish! dan bentele; guilty sometime meat-eater, alleged sensitive-guy, and driver of a foreign-made clown car == "Us Americans didn't climb to the top of the world's food chain to eat tofu, be sensitive, or drive tiny ass foreign clown cars." (Jeff Wall, 1999)
Re: The London Stage
Stuart, hallucinating about London, typed; Holy moly, the next thing I see is a guy playing an accordian singing like a castrato about nastly little children, accommpanied by a skid roperish guy with a wheel around trap set, and a guy in a waxed moustache playing string base. Kind of twangy in a cabaret sort of way. And in one song, one of the puppet masters pops out of a window plucking on a banjo. Catch it when it gets here. That was One Riot One Ranger, Stuart. (rimshot!), danranger
Enough, please (was RE: SUV's suck
Please be considerate when using P2. The great majority of folks do not subscribe to P2 to discuss SUVs. No doubt there are plenty of folks with strong opinions about them, pro and con, but please try to find a more appropriate place to vent them. The traffic on P2 can be awfully overwhelming, even when we stay more-or-less on-topic.--don
SXSW in stores
Here are some more free daytime events for you to work in to your busy schedules. Could one of the Weiss bros email the times for the bands for the MoM party, specifically when is Cisco going to play. Don't want to miss that. All subject to change, check ads in the Chronicle for latest info. Waterloo Records Thursday 2pm: Michael Dejong (Munich) 3pm: Shaver,Jon Dee Graham, Stephen Bruton, Bocephus King (New West) 4pm: Krosfyah (Cross Roads) 5pm: Joe Henry (Mammoth) Friday 2pm: Tin Hat Trio (Angel) 3pm: Varnaline (ADA) 4pm: Macha (Caroline) 5pm: Monte Warden (Asylum) Saturday 2pm: Ben Lee (Grand Royale) 3pm: Meg Hentges (Robbins) 4pm: Queens of the Stone Age (Loose Groove) 5pm: Cesar Rosas (Ryko) Tower Thursday 12pm: Ekova 1pm: Johnny Society 2pm: Michael D. Young 3pm: Michelle Gunn 4pm: Nina Hynes Friday 12pm: Elkabong 1pm: Mojo Nixon 2pm: Anna Egge 3pm: Josh Rouse 5pm: Reckless Kelly Saturday 1pm: Dust Revival 2pm: Trish Murphy 3pm: George Devore 4pm: Haggis 5pm: Jimmy Eat World
Tim Carroll at SXSW?
Another query: does anyone have any info about when and where Tim Carroll may be surfacing at SXSW? For example, with Lonesome Bob?? I haven't seen his name anywhere officially but assume he'll be playing someplace or other... --junior
Re:Lindley benfit SXSW (was: Shania Spam )
There are two benefits as I understand it. I am still catching up with email so someone may have already answered this. Jerald At 03:50 AM 3/10/99 -0500, you wrote: ..., who else will be playing at that Saturday night Donald Lindley benefit at the Texas Union Ballroom. You mentioned Jimmy Dale and Kimmie. I do believe I'll be there. Thanks, --junior And is there more than one event, or has the night and venue cxhanged? Mistuh Corder noted the copy below the other day-- for SUNDAY night Jerald had said: There is a benefit for Donald Lindley's family Sunday night, March 21 at Stubbs with Lucinda, Joe Ely, Terry Allen, Rosie Flores, Will and Charlie Sexton and more. You will have to pay for this event, no badges or wristbands get you in.
np: Gatemouth Brown - Blackjack (Sugar Hill)
np: Gatemouth Brown - Blackjack (Sugar Hill) (reissue from the '77 Real Records LP) Can't believe it's been 22 years. Represents several firsts for me from 1977: First time I'd ever heard of Gatemouth Brown. Just thought it looked cool at the record store. Liked his name, and his clothes in the cover shot. First cassette format I'd ever bought. (sounded *so* much better than 8-track on my brand new Sound Design player) First black man I'd ever heard play blues fiddle. (wait a minuteI *still* haven't heard another black man play fiddle blues like GMB; I'm guessing they're out there somewhere, I just haven't heard them) Listening now, I'm reminded how Gate plays the words to "Blackjack" on his guitar, and the notes are as understandable as the words are. (kinda like Albert Collins' playing the words "shut upbitch" on Too Many Dirty Dishes) Twangy, jazzy, bluesy fun. I love itagain. Joe X. Horn Third Coast Music Network
Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick
lance davis wrote: Clockwork as appalling? Um, I think that was the point. (I also think it is cunningly funny, and generally not recognized as such, but that's a longer story). One of Kubrick's consistent themes was the pretensions, hypocrisies, and fragilities of those in power, and how these people create, quite often, miserable effects for those underneath them. In Paths of Glory it's the hypocrisies of the French and British armies. In Dr. Strangelove, it's the buffoons in the War Room. In Lolita, it's the manipulative and lecherous Humbert Humbert. In Clockwork, it's the notion that the State can "fix" those who are "broken." True enough (don't remember Brits in PoG) and I agree. I'd add though that Tom's shown pretty good taste on a bunch of things here and is one of those folks whose posts I pay particular attention to. (Even if sometimes they're cool Chicago shows I'll never see) I can cut him some slack on this matter of taste. b.s. n.p. Beck ONE FOOT IN THE GRAVE
Re: unsubscribe
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Jeff Weiss wrote: Call me a sadist -- shudup Curry -- but I get a little thrill out of these. I'm not saying anything.but I am about to go out and buy some leather restraints! g NP: My new NEC MobilePro 750C Handhel doohicky! JC
Re: unsubscribe
OopsI mistook P2 for the twangfest fluff list there for a second. Sorry about that ya'll. Let's seemusic, music, must discuss music. Lenora's Ghost in lovely downtown Independence, Oregon is proud to announce the appearance of the Damnations TX, Thursday , 3/11 at 9:00 PM. I absolutely LOVE their _Half Mad Moon_ release and I'm damn well looking forward to their performance. Signing off and will try not to mix my meat 7 fluff. Jerry
Re: Reading between the lines
This is much like the music debate, either you like it or you don't...but please don't try and stamp a # on my forehead and call me just another asshole because I drive an SUV. quick to plug SUV drivers as a certain type. The great majority of folks do not subscribe to P2 to discuss SUVs. How did George Jones' driving mistake turn into this conversation? Jee-sus! Derek, Paul, whoever, darlin, ya'll — calm down. I don't think I ever once mentioned that people who drive SUV's were assholes. Where the hell did you get that? I enjoyed other comments from those on the list who mentioned older cars and just got a little nastalgic. Hey ya'll, I did not say SUV drivers suck, I just personally don't dig the vehicle. So what? I don't like green food either, so what? Infact, I think green food sucks so what? Talking about a car is one thing, but I certainly don't want any of you to suggest that I would rag on your character because of what you drive, music you listen to (unless you like *insert worst band on earth you can think of*g), what color you are, what you wear, bla bla bla. Hell, I don't even know you. Ya'll express your opinions about everything under the sun, sometimes ya'll just talk about music. Sometimes music moves to baseball. Sometimes serious subjects like a legend who has a car wreck moves to cell phones or to SUV's. More power to you if you are the proud owner of an SUV. Great. Get one of those 19 foot jobbies. For me, I would rather have an old boat gas guzzlin Cadillac. I'll settle for my Merc. Big deal. So what? Read whatever you feel you must into that, I just like old cars! Often times on this list, people tend to read too much in-between the lines. Now I am sure there is some music or musician that can be discussed, ragged upon, picked apart, analyzed, second guessed, trashed or maybe even phrased. My sincere deepest apologies to all of you for ever having made any comments about SUV's, among other things on this list. Love, Nancy P.S. rash judgments about you as a slacker musician driving an old car. (My point there isn't that you are a slacker musician - my point is, stereotypes aren't always true) That's a good one. Just like Nicholas Cage said about his gooney jacket he wore in Wild At Heart, I do PERSONALLY think that some things we select for ourselves do reflect our individuality. Again, SO WHAT The term slacker musician seems odd though, since all the musicians I know work harder than anyone. No point in touching that one tho..
Re: Joe Henry - Fuse (over the wall post)
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:36:32 -0500 (EST) Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm not on P2 anymore, but I wanted to toss this rant out to you carnivores. I've been listening and listening to Joe Henry's new one. I don't get it. Yo Babooski -- Keep trying. Be patient. This ain't no Emmylou record, ya know. It took me a week of playing "Trampoline" at home during lunch for it to click with me. Joe Henry is one of the most difficult artists to "get" on the first listen I've ever come across. It always takes days, even weeks, before his songs work for me. So far, I've played it three times and I'll rank "Like She Was a Hammer" and "Great Lake" up there with his best work. He's managed to transcend twang (in a good sense, of course!) in a more pleasing way, to these ears anyway, than, say, Jeff Tweedy. William Cocke Senior Writer HSC Development University of Virginia (804) 924-8432
SUV my first and last
Ok Don, sorry but have to say this. I got hit by a SUV, 4 broken ribs and a busted kidney. I was in though a Chevy Blazer, which got hit broadsided, and that Blazer saved my life. Took one hell of a hit. Guess what I'm buying next.. Blazer. I'm just a little scared when I see a SUV coming at me anywhere, but it the driver that's the problem, not the SUV. Twang content-I too am going to the Birchemere to see Del and the boys. Stick
Re: blues fiddle, (was np: Gatemouth Brown - Blackjack)
First black man I'd ever heard play blues fiddle. (wait a minute I *still* haven't heard another black man play fiddle blues like GMB; I'm guessing they're out there somewhere, I just haven't heard them) I haven't heard of too many blues fiddlers that are still playing at all these days. Howard Armstrong, whose praises Steve Gardner frequently sings on this list, recorded a new CD two or three years back. I haven't heard it, but I'll bet it features some of his blues playing alongside the more pop and raggy-oriented material. He plays a couple of blues numbers on the "Louie Bluie" soundtrack album. He also recorded two albums with his string band, Martin, Bogan, and Armstrong, for Flying Fish in the 1970s, both of which were released on one CD. Good stuff. Before that, they recorded an album for Rounder in 1972 or so. I saw about 50 copies of this one at a charity record sale in Skokie, IL last fall. One of Armstrong's buddies in M, B, A, Carl Martin, was recorded in his later years, playing fiddle along with Sam Chatmon and Walter Vinson on guitars, as the New Mississippi Sheiks. I believe this also was a Flying Fish release. I haven't heard or seen this in years, and cannot remember any other details. Carl Martin, along with blues mandolinist Johnny Young, and guitarists John Lee Granderson and John Wrencher recorded an album for Testament (ca. 1966?) as the Chicago String Band. Raw, urban string band blues. This record, with two extra tracks has been reissued on CD. Check the Hightone catalogue for details. I mentioned the New Mississippi Sheiks above. Well, the *real* Mississippi Sheiks were one of the hottest string bands to ever record. Featuring at various times, Lonnie or Bo Chatman on fiddle, Walter Vincent, Sam Chatman, or Bo Carter (Chatman) on guitars, much of their material has found it's way onto CD. Probably the best place to start is the Yazoo release, "Stop and Listen," though I think their entire output is available on a series of CDs on the Austrian Document label. The song, "Sitting On Top of the World," was originally recorded by the Sheiks. Jim Nelson
RE: Reading between the lines
Nancy wrote: Derek, Paul, whoever, darlin, ya'll - calm down. I don't think I ever once mentioned that people who drive SUV's were assholes. First, I should have put one of those big G thingys in there, but ... I didn't mean to infer that you were calling anyone an asshole. It was meant more as a general sarcastic statement to all those who so far have had nothing but ill things to say about SUV's (and punching shots at the type of people who own them). This wasn't a reply to you as much as it wast to the thread. Seeing that Mr. Purcell was the only one to come forward as owning an SUV, I felt the need to join him. Your post just happened to be the one coming out when I got the urge. I don't want to piss List Daddy Yates off anymore with this topic. Derek
St. Louis area show
Seeing Jim Nelson's post reminded me... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * An Evening of "Old-Timey", Bluegrass and Classic Country: The IL-MO Boys and The Rockhouse Ramblers Sat. March 13 The Focal Point 8158 Big Bend Admission: $7 music starts 8:30 PM For more info call 961-6881
RE: SUV my first and last
Sorry Don, I feel the need to clarify my previous post also. Stick (and others) have said that it's not the SUVs, its the drivers. Well yes, any car becomes a dangerous weapon when in the hands of a drunk or bad driver. However, it IS the SUVs to some degree. These automobiles are so much larger and heavier than the typical car on the road that said typical car stands very little chance in a collision with one. This has been well documented in the media. I personally know someone who suffered serious injury when her car (Volkswagen golf) was hit by one of these cars. She was in intensive care and the driver of the suv walked away without a scratch. It's scary. If you get hit by one (accidentally or otherwise) you have a good chance of being seriously injured, if not killed. rebecca -Original Message- From: Stick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Ok Don, sorry but have to say this. I got hit by a SUV, 4 broken ribs and a busted kidney. I was in though a Chevy Blazer, which got hit broadsided, and that Blazer saved my life. Took one hell of a hit. Guess what I'm buying next.. Blazer. I'm just a little scared when I see a SUV coming at me anywhere, but it the driver that's the problem, not the SUV. Twang content-I too am going to the Birchemere to see Del and the boys. Stick
RE: Reading between the lines
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Derek Sampson wrote: I don't want to piss List Daddy Yates off anymore with this topic. So why do all you goofballs keep talkin' about it?! Jeesuz, move on please. If anyone still feels impelled to apologize to someone about this trivial nonsense, just email them privately. thanks, don (who has a nasty chest cold and will graphically describe the taste, texture and color of his phlegm to the next person who posts about SUVs)
Re: Fw: HOOPS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since my return to P2, I keep seeing reference to a "fluff list". Is this for real? Beware Joe, you don't deserve it. You're too good for it. You won't respect yourself in the morningg beware the fluff! dan
Re: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
and are far from able to handle rough terrain, especially when driven by a certified moron of a soccor mom with a car phone in one hand and a mascara pen in the other, Just to be fair Matt, most of the SUV idiots I encounter are certified moron soccer dads g. I'll admit to liking 'em, and I have been dang tempted to get one. As someone who actually has to work at least a few weekends year on our farm, I would have at least some amount of cover in doing so, as you can't get around our farm very well (or even to it) w/out serious 4-wheel drive. But it has gotten just out of hand; here in St; Louis recently, I was driving right through *the* ritziest part of town right 7:30am, a a part of town where you cannot live unless you're hauling down serious serious bucks (Warson Rd for those interested, where I hear the Loui and Wendland estates are (;-)), and it was amazing to see all these solo-driven, starch-shirt SUV's being driven by all the docs and lawyers and execs who were heading either 5 miles to downtown Clayton or 15 or so to downtown St. Louis, all on generally pretty smooth pavement g. Like Neal said, the one great unjustifiable is the admissions standards, which are way below those required for cars. If they'd just fix those that would take a lot of the heat off. But like I said, I'm not on a high horse, I'm the only guy in my whole family who doesn't drive one, and my dad's the only one who even can justify it future moron soccer dad dan
Covers: responding to some comments (was fulks and covers)
I want to make a few more comments on a couple of points raised by Carl and Barry about my covers piece. I started this a week or so ago, and just now kind of finished it off. Hope it's not too stale by now. This'll probably be my last words on the subject (but I'm always psyched to hear what other folks think). I think we've covered some of this ground in other posts, but I don't have the energy to weed that stuff out of here. Sorry. This is long, but hopefully it'll be interesting if you take the time with it (I guess this is starting to be a theme--I'm sorry I didn't have time to make it shorter). first Carl: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "I also have some thread-sparking questions (what was the first known instance of the half-ironic cover - is he right in naming the 'Mats's Kiss cover as Patient Zero - and also how to relate this web of analysis to the various levels of irony in alt-country covers of both rock and country so-called cheeze). " Jake: Well, I'm not sure if the Kiss Cover is "Patient Zero" or not. I suspect not. It's a question I've asked myself. But in the end, I'm not sure it really matters. Instead, I prefer to jump off from some ideas I first saw in Fredric Jameson's "Postmodernism or the Logic of Late Capitalism" In the intro, he says the following. Indulge me, it's a little long and dense: "In periodizing a phenonomenon of this kind [here he's talking about the phenonomenon of Postmodernism and Late Capitalism], we have to complicate the model with all kinds of supplementary epicycles. It is necessary to distinguish between the gradual setting in place of the various (often unrelated) preconditions for the new structure and the "moment" (not exactly chronological) when they all jell and combine into a functional system. This moment is itself less a matter of chronology than it is of a well-nigh Freudian Nachstraglichkeit, or retroactivity: people become aware of the dynamics of some new system, in which they are themselves seized, only later on and gradually. Nor is that dawning collective consciousness of a new system (deduced itself intermittently in a fragmentary way from various unrelated crisis symptoms such as factory closings or higher interest rates) exactly the same as the coming into being of fresh cultural forms of expression (Raymond Williams" "structures of feeling" do finally strike one as a very odd way to have to characterize postmodernism culturally). That the pre-conditions for a new "structure of feeling" also preexist their moment of combination and crystallization into a relatively hegemonic style everyone acknowledges; but that pre-history is not in synch with the economic one. Thus Mandel suggests that the basic new technological prerequisites of the new "long wave" of capitalism's third stage (here called "late capitalism") were available by the end of Wolrd War II, which also had the effect of reorganzing international relations, decolonizing the colonies and laying the groundwork for the emergence of a new economic world system. Culturally, however, the precondition is to be found (apart the wide variety of aberrant modernist "experiments" which are then restructured in the form of predecessors) in the enormous social and psychological transformations of the 1960s, which swept so much tradition away on the level of metalites. Thus the economic prepartion of postmodernism began in the 1950s, after wartime shortages of consumer goods and spare parts had been made up and new products and new technologies (not least those of the media) could be pioneered. On the other hand, the psychic habitus of the new age demands the absolute break, strengthened by a generational rapture, achieved more properly in the 1960s (it being understood that economic development does not then pause for that, but very much continues along its own level and according to its own logic). If you prefer a now somewhat antiquated language, the distiction is very much the one Althusser used to harp on between a Hegelian "essential cross section of the present" (or coup d'essence), where a culture critique wants to find a single principle of the "postmodern" inherent in the most varied and ramified features of social life, and the Althusserian "structure in dominance" in which the various levels entertain a semiautonomy over and against each other, run at different rates of speed, develop unevenly, and yet conspire to produce a totality." Then in Chapter one Jameson says the following: "One of the concerns aroused by periodizing hypotheses is that these tend to obliterate difference and to project the idea of the historical period as massive homogeneity (bounded on either side by inexplicable chronological metamorphoses and punctuation marks). This is, however, precisely why it seems to me essential to grasp postmodernism not as a style but rather a cultural dominant: a conception which allows for the presence and coexistence of a range of very different,
THE NUGE IS BACK
For Jenni: g Well, that was a short retirement. After announcing his intention to do just that late last year, gonzo guitarist and former radio personality Ted Nugent has decided to trash his AARP card in favor of a full workload that will give him a greater presence on the road and in record racks than he's had in quite some time. Already this year, Nugent is immersed in recording a solo album and a third album with Damn Yankees, both of which are expected to be released before the end of 1999. Nugent is also headlining the Rock Never Stops tour of amphitheaters this summer, which features Night Ranger, Quiet Riot, and Slaughter. Meanwhile, his glory days will be recounted with the late spring release of remastered and expanded editions of his first three solo albums Ted Nugen, Free-For-All, and Cat Scratch Fever along with an Amboy Dukes collection titled Loaded for Bear. A similarly improved version of his best-of set, Great Gonzos, is expected out during the fall. "I hate retirement," Nugent says with a laugh. "I really was planning on retiring; I had a couple of commitments I had to fulfill, like the Metallica New Year's Eve thing [at the Pontiac Silverdome near Detroit], and I did have another record with Damn Yankees. So now I'm doing anti-retirement stuff, I guess."
Re: Covers: responding to some comments (was fulks and covers)
Jake-- Your quoting of critical theorists is frightening me. I'm only a caveman. But, just out of curiosity, while I wouldn't argue the irony at work on the Mat's take of "Black Diamond," hadn't they already done this? I'm speaking of their appropriations of both "Oh Darling" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" for "Mr. Whirly" on Hootenanny. Now, I realize that the Fabs don't have the kitsch quotient of KISS, but couldn't that also be seen as ironic? Not that this invalidates anything you said previously (which I barely understood anyway), but that "Whirly" pre-dates "BD" has to mean something. Right? Lance . . . PS--Does Ben still have Alcohol Funnycar together?
Re: Fw: HOOPS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since my return to P2, I keep seeing reference to a "fluff list". Is this for real? Beware Joe, you don't deserve it. You're too good for it. You won't respect yourself in the morningg beware the fluff! dan this sounds like what my mother tried to tell me about sex. I think I need this. As for music content, it appears that the gig Saturday March 20 will be Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Hal Ketchum, and Kimmie Rhodes at the Texas Union Ballroom on the UT campus. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Lindley benefit / was HOOPS
Joe sez: As for music content, it appears that the gig Saturday March 20 will be Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Hal Ketchum, and Kimmie Rhodes at the Texas Union Ballroom on the UT campus. What time will the show be starting? --junior
Kelly Willis song comments
If anyone's interested - I got these off the Ryko press promo for Kelly's
new album. I find behind-the-scenes info extremely interesting.
Several things -
"Got A Feelin' For Ya" is a retitling of the song
"Real Deep Feeling" (as she calls it in the notes).
And an album of Paul Kelly covers? Bring it on!
Any mistypings are likely mine.
Chris
--
Take Me Down (KW/Gary Louris)
One of several songs I've written with him. This song was inspired by a very
bad boyfriend.
What I Deserve (KW/Gary Louris)
I started this song in a hotel room when I was extremely lonely. Chuck's phase
shifted guitar is my favorite part of this recording.
Heaven Bound (Damon Bramblett)
Damon Bramblett has a very unique style and you should hear him sometime. I
think I know what this song's about but he's not telling.
Talk Like That (KW)
I did a press conference in Mexico with Ricky Skaggs once and the way he
spoke sounded like family to me. Being an army brat, I've never felt like I
had a place to call home but I came to realize I was from a time and people,
more than a place.
Not Forgotten You (Bruce Robison)
Wrapped (Bruce Robison)
Bruce has a gift for melody, but not only that his lyrics are natural. I'm
drawn into his songs emotionally and not just because I hope they're about
me.
Cradle of Love (Paul Kelly)
This is the second Paul Kelly song I've recorded. Maybe I'll do an entire
album someday! I started working this song with the band before it even
occured to me that there might be something sexy going on here.
Got A Feelin' For Ya ("Real Deep Feeling" - (Dan Penn/Chuck Prophet))
I had so much fun recording with Chuck Prophet. He played this song for
me and all I wanted to do was sing just like him. So I got him to sing
it with me. Everyone had fun making this record!
Time Has Told Me (Nick Drake)
This may be the most beautiful love song I've ever heard. And it's a
contender for my favorite recording on the album.
Fading Fast (KW/John Leventhal)
This song was on a promotional EP of demos I made at AM Records. I was
afraid it would never get heard so I recorded it again.
Happy With That(KW/Gary Louris)
Amy Farris is a show stealer. She may have stolen this recording too.
They're Blind (Paul Westerberg)
Westerberg lyrics of course appealed to the "under-appreciated artist" in
me! If someone can help you romanticize your plight in life, more power
to them. I thought it would be great to do a country version of thsi song.
We didn't really do that, but it's countrier than his version.
Not Long for This World (KW/John Leventhal)
You can usually tell when your life is about to change dramatically, but
you ignore it, thinking it might go away. This is about that moment of
acknowledgement.
Re: blues fiddle, (was np: Gatemouth Brown - Blackjack)
At 01:28 PM 3/10/99 -0600, you wrote: First black man I'd ever heard play blues fiddle. (wait a minute I *still* haven't heard another black man play fiddle blues like GMB; I'm guessing they're out there somewhere, I just haven't heard them) Papa John Creech. Of course he played for a while with all the dopers out in Californicate, The Jefferson Airplane to be exact, but if you ever had the opportunity to catch him without all them long-hairs, he played blues, funk, and jazz. Then there's also Vassar Clements. He might not be black on the outside, but with all the blues and soul in his playing, Vassar must be black on the inside. I love dat sumbitch. Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 3421 Daisy Crescent - Va Beach, Va - 23456
(Fwd) controlling information
This House bill concerning internet access concerns us all on P2, lord knows It's a good moment to use email to write your Representatives and inveigh against this bill. More dangerous than SUVs and definitely a detriment to all things P2!! Power to the twang people, --junior --- Forwarded Message Follows --- This greedy attempt to make money unrelated to the cost of doing business will have the additional effect of stemming the free-flow of information. The university will feel the need to restrict internet access because of the added costs and those of us who occasionally dial in from home will either hesitate or pay. Student access will also be restricted and we shouldn't be surprised if the additional costs are reflected in fee increases or access charges. Please read and respond as you see fit. Jane Date rec'd: Monday, March 08, 1999 6:11 PM To all E-mailers The House has a bill set up for a vote ASAP on whether to charge long distance charges for Internet access even if you dial-up locally. This is something that affects each of us. Please read and forward: Congress will be voting in less than two weeks. CNN stated that the Government would, in two weeks time, decide to allow or not allow a charge to your phone bill equal to a Long Distance call EACH time you access the Internet. The address is http://www.house.gov/writerep/ If you choose, visit the address above and fill out the necessary form! If EACH one of us, forwards this message on to others in a hurry, we may be able to prevent this injustice from happening! And don't forget your congress-persons! PLEASE PASS THIS ON!!! There is power in numbers, folks!
Re: (Fwd) controlling information
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Ph. Barnard wrote: This House bill concerning internet access concerns us all on P2, lord knows It's a good moment to use email to write your Representatives and inveigh against this bill. More dangerous than SUVs and definitely a detriment to all things P2!! Well maybe, if it were only true. It's a hoax spam that's been passed around the internet for years.--don
Re: (Fwd) controlling information
Junior wrote: This House bill concerning internet access concerns us all on P2, lord knows It's a good moment to use email to write your Representatives and inveigh against this bill. More dangerous than SUVs and definitely a detriment to all things P2!! Hoax. See: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html#internetcharge Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
Re: instrumentally speaking
At 10:24 AM 3/10/99 +, you wrote: Haven't been following this thread, but for altcountry instrumentalisms, has anyone mentioned the "Travis County Pickin'" album? All twang, no noodling Still the best recent instrumental album I know of, an album that gets regular time in my changer two (or three?) years after it came out. hmm, gonna have to check that one out. My favorite is Appilaichan Swing with them Swangin Kentucky Colonels. aka Roland and Clarence White. Hot damn it's good. Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 3421 Daisy Crescent - Va Beach, Va - 23456
Re: Kelly Willis song comments
Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 10-Mar-99 Kelly Willis song comments by Hill, Christopher J@PSS. And an album of Paul Kelly covers? Bring it on! Amen. I think if she covered (You Can Put Your) Shoes Under My Bed, she'd score a very large hit. Carl Z.
Re: Covers/Rufus
Jake, as expected, has delivered yet another lengthy and worthwhile set of points here. Especially useful was the reference to the Althusser etc. idea about the different layers of culture/socioeconomy/demographics responding at different rates to different forces but coalescing (at least in retrospect) to form particular cultural styles. Think of the map Jake was drawing as a seismographic (tectonic-plates) survey and I think that makes sense of why Barry's issue about individual boomer differences and the like doesn't obviate the point. Generational bonds are one of the layers that scrape beneath our feet. (NB: I'd clarify that my question about the timing of the first punk-style ironic covers wasn't meant to be a criticism of Jake's use of the Mats, just a music-trivia sideline.) I also found the periodic questions about one-mass-culture vs. splintered-niche culture interesting, esp. re: speed and pervasiveness of media. My sense is that demographic pressure is helping push the parts of mass culture closer together again (unity in diversity as rock hip-hop fanciers start to hop borders via hybrid New Top 40 pop hits a la Puff Daddy). But each of the new mass phenomena is now famous for much less than 15 minutes, helping reinforce a cultural amnesia-anomie that's very far from the icon-saturation of the seventies. (And nervous making, imho.) My sense of the post-ironic moment all this is helping create was reinforced last night at an astoundingly packed and high-emotion concert by Rufus Wainwright. His archly sentimental songs were being treated as anthems by a crowd he suspected of being too young even to know who River Phoenix (subject of his song "Death of the Matinee Idol") was. Also significant, for instance, that this Gap-ad-doin', slacker-fop incarnatin' singer closed with a cover of a little folk song rather than of, say, a piano-retooled disco hit. Though of course his own background informs such choices (having folk-makin' folks). Watch those layers slide. Here's my review, appearing in tomorrow's Globe Mail in Toronto. (This is also part of my continuing consciousness-raising campaign on behalf of Martha Wainwright's upcoming album...) -- POP REVIEW Rufus Wainwright Trinity-St Paul's Centre, Toronto by Carl Wilson The Globe Mail Diva this, diva that. While pop pundits _ who resist catchphrases less hardily than medieval peasants did the bubonic plague _ affix the label to every Celine, Alanis and Shania who comes along, the only Canadian who earns it is a gay ex-Montrealer in his mid-20s. Rufus Wainwright, after all, croons about sex, death, Venetian columns and the love rituals of arcane gods, in his unique octave-skipping "popera" style. And if the fever of the standing-room-only crowd at Trinity St. Paul's in Toronto Tuesday night was any indication, he's tapping the latent romanticism of a generation that would normally scoff at the whole idea of latent romanticism. After a warmly received opening set by British singer Imogen Heap, whose piano ballads aligned comfortably with the Rufus vibe, a female chorus immediately began chanting "Rfuss!" in an oh-so-20-year-old singsong cadence. In fact, the starstruck Rufies (for want of a better word) defined the evening _ even as brash a performer as Wainwright seemed surprised to see how quickly a Gap-ad cameo, an alternative-album Juno (last weekend for his eponymous Dreamworks debut) and a year's worth of media fawning can make you a cult idol. The cheekbones and sideburns don't hurt either, of course. Wainwright, in his flower-embroidered short black jacket and blue crushed-velvet pants, embraced sex-symbol status with cheerful, if self-conscious, arrogance. After full-band treatments of bouncy album numbers Danny Boy and Matinee Idol, he introduced the tougher Damned Ladies from behind his piano: "This song is about opera and divas" _ screams from the fans. Pause. "Some of you girls better grow up to be opera singers, okay? ... For daddy?" The irony of being greeted as a sophisticated Backstreet Boys didn't escape Wainwright, perhaps the most unabashed gay man ever to grace a U.S. major label (and, with his blend of Sondheim, Schubert and Harry Nilsson, a songwriter who takes camp seriously indeed). Later, taking up his guitar, he coyly addressed the crowd: "Now, I'm sure you little girls all brought your gay friends along _ are you going to pimp them to me? Come on, line 'em up," he chuckled. "Oh, I keep forgetting we're in a
Re: instrumentally speaking
Jeff: hmm, gonna have to check that one out. My favorite is Appilaichan Swing with them Swangin Kentucky Colonels. aka Roland and Clarence White. Hot damn it's good. Yeah, Appalachian Swing is a classic that also gets regular time in my changer despite being over 30 years old! g. I always have at least one instrumental album in my changer at home: whether a twang thing like Appalachian Swing, Joe Maphis' "Flying Fingers", West Bryant, or Travis Country Pickin' (which is on Hightone, btw, or the HMG imprint of Hightone), or a surf-twang thing like Duane Eddy, The Shadows, or Calif surf albums Good stuff. --junior
RE: Reading between the lines
So why do all you goofballs keep talkin' about it?! Jeesuz, move on please. If anyone still feels impelled to apologize to someone about this trivial nonsense, just email them privately. thanks, don (who has a nasty chest cold and will graphically describe the taste, texture and color of his phlegm to the next person who posts about SUVs) Is it green or yellow? chunky or fluid? kind of salty? hey, I'd rather talk about phlegm than Uncle Tupelo, Folk, Freakwater, Race, Class, or Baseball anyday. ObTC Has anyone ever written a good phlegm song? Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 3421 Daisy Crescent - Va Beach, Va - 23456
Re: (Fwd) controlling information
A hoax... Well sheee-it, color me hoaxed. Damn, --junior
Re: Kelly Willis song comments
Thanks for this, Chris
Chuck Prophet is just such a effing STAR. It's a crime that this man is not as big
as, I dunno, Tom Petty...
Stevie
What I Deserve (KW/Gary Louris)
I started this song in a hotel room when I was extremely lonely. Chuck's phase
shifted guitar is my favorite part of this recording.
Got A Feelin' For Ya ("Real Deep Feeling" - (Dan Penn/Chuck Prophet))
I had so much fun recording with Chuck Prophet. He played this song for
me and all I wanted to do was sing just like him. So I got him to sing
it with me. Everyone had fun making this record!
Re: Reading between the lines
ObTC Has anyone ever written a good phlegm song? Jeff Wall Does "TB Blues" count? Or, how about the "TB is Whipping Me?" And let us not forget any number of pot-smokin' songs. Of course, for some reason, none of them are coming to mind right now. What was the question again? Lance . . .
Re: Reading between the lines
Jeff Wall wrote: ObTC Has anyone ever written a good phlegm song? CDNow says: Song search results for "phlegm": Select an artist to view their discography or try a new search. Artist Album Song Title Babe The Blue Ox Color Me Babe Phlegm Puddin Mr. Bungle Disco Volante Phlegmatics And Jewel has a cute song which I think is called "Catch a Cold With Me". Hoping that the company's secret police are not screening my mail today, TWM -- Tom Mohr at the office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NYC P2 folks--Star City
I know this is extremely last minute, but I just came back to the list yesterday and it occured to me just now to send this out. Some of you may have heard of us, some not, but my band, Star City, has a gig tonight @ the Rodeo Bar, located on the corner of 27th St 3rd Ave. Show starts @ 10:00pm A little history: We've been around now for about 31/2 years, played with some of your faves (Waco Bros, Old 97s, Richard Buckner, Courtesy Move, Hangdogs, Ghostrockets, plus a few more, most recently the Silos on Valentines Day). We've just finished a record that we hope to get out soon and I think, based on what you all talk about on the list, you would like what we do. I hope anyway. If you can, come on down tonight. If not, hopefully some other time. Thanks, Jason
Kansas City show (was St. Louis area show)
A very special concert announcement: TOM RUSSELL with ANDREW HARDIN Thursday, April 29 KANSAS CITY, MO Valentine Neighborhood Concerts 3607 Pennsivania Ave. Tickets: $15.00 Ticket Info: (913) 631-6866 Meet and Greet after show extremely limited seating at this beautiful smoke-free venue advance tickets available on-line or by mail http://villagerecords.com/cgi-bin/villager/scan/mp=0/sf=artist/se=russell,tom/sf=title/se=kansas You may have to unwrap that URL to get it to work, Bill Lavery
Re: Kelly Willis song comments
Hill, Christopher J wrote: If anyone's interested - I got these off the Ryko press promo for Kelly's new album. I find behind-the-scenes info extremely interesting. Heaven Bound (Damon Bramblett) Damon Bramblett has a very unique style and you should hear him sometime. I think I know what this song's about but he's not telling. Ive been wondering about this song myself. Anyone got any insights? I like it alot. Who is Damon Bramblett?
Re: (Fwd) controlling information
Don Yates wrote: On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Ph. Barnard wrote: This House bill concerning internet access concerns us all on P2, lord knows It's a good moment to use email to write your Representatives and inveigh against this bill. More dangerous than SUVs and definitely a detriment to all things P2!! Well maybe, if it were only true. It's a hoax spam that's been passed around the internet for years.--don But that doesn't mean someone ain't thinkin about it. They did it with radio, they did it with cable. Eternal vigilance liberty.
Re: Kelly Willis song comments
Stuart asks: Who is Damon Bramblett? He's an Austin based singer/songwriter. Good friends with Kelly and Bruce. He's supposedly got a record in the can that was supposed to come out on Watermelon (ha!). I've seen him play a couple of times and he's pretty entertaining. Jim, smilin'
Re: Reading between the lines
Jeff Wall wrote: Has anyone ever written a good phlegm song? How about "It's Not For Me To Say" (three times fast ...) Twang content: Robert Allen, co-author of above also penned "I Saw A Country Boy" [as well as keepers like "Whip Out Your Ukelele" and "Three D Sweetie." His collaborator, Al Stillman, wrote "Battle of the Little Big Horn," "Ciribiribin," and "Juke Box Saturday Night."] Well, you asked . . . Tom Smith
Re: Reading between the lines
How about Kinky Friedman's Old Ben Lucas "had a lot of mucus coming right out of his nose he picked and picked til it made you sick but back again it grows" Jamie Tom Smith wrote: Jeff Wall wrote: Has anyone ever written a good phlegm song? How about "It's Not For Me To Say" (three times fast ...) Twang content: Robert Allen, co-author of above also penned "I Saw A Country Boy" [as well as keepers like "Whip Out Your Ukelele" and "Three D Sweetie." His collaborator, Al Stillman, wrote "Battle of the Little Big Horn," "Ciribiribin," and "Juke Box Saturday Night."] Well, you asked . . . Tom Smith
Re: THE NUGE IS BACK
YES! It's time for me to go find a Gibson Byrdland to "yank me, crank me, but don't wake up to thank me." Mitch Matthews Gravel Train/Sunken Road np: Me doing "Great White Buffalo" on 4-string banjo
Re: Kelly Willis song comments
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:23:24 -0800 stuart said: Hill, Christopher J wrote: If anyone's interested - I got these off the Ryko press promo for Kelly's new album. I find behind-the-scenes info extremely interesting. Heaven Bound (Damon Bramblett) Damon Bramblett has a very unique style and you should hear him sometime. I think I know what this song's about but he's not telling. Ive been wondering about this song myself. Anyone got any insights? I like it alot. Who is Damon Bramblett? I've been trying to figure this song out too. Is the singer sympathetic to the protagonist of the song? Is it a putdown of an old flame? Come on, this list hasn't had a good debate about the meaning of a song since the infamous "Radar Gun" wars. Evan Cooper p.s. I saw Damon Bramblett last year at SXSW and thought he was right up there with sliced bread. Reminded me a lot of Johnny Cash. Same rumbling voice and a very compelling stage presence to boot.
Re: Kelly Willis song comments
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:23:24 -0800 stuart said: Hill, Christopher J wrote: If anyone's interested - I got these off the Ryko press promo for Kelly's new album. I find behind-the-scenes info extremely interesting. Heaven Bound (Damon Bramblett) Damon Bramblett has a very unique style and you should hear him sometime. I think I know what this song's about but he's not telling. Ive been wondering about this song myself. Anyone got any insights? I like it alot. Who is Damon Bramblett? I've been trying to figure this song out too. Is the singer sympathetic to the protagonist of the song? Is it a putdown of an old flame? Come on, this list hasn't had a good debate about the meaning of a song since the infamous "Radar Gun" wars. Evan Cooper p.s. I saw Damon Bramblett last year at SXSW and thought he was right up there with sliced bread. Reminded me a lot of Johnny Cash. Same rumbling voice and a very compelling stage presence to boot. Well at first it reminded me of kind of a Band/Dylan/late Beatles kind of vibe about leaving the scene. Now I think its a kind of epitaph about someone who fatally overdosed. Maybe both
Re: Clockwork Orange (was Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick)
In a message dated 3/10/99 11:02:32 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At best, Stanley Kubrick's 1971 film suggests an Animal House with bogus intellectual trappings. But the trappings--the rationalizations and spurious arguments--are what make it genuinely irresponsible, genuinely abhorrent. There seems to be a bit of faulty logic here, comparing Clockwork to a film made 8 or so years later. Wouldn't Animal House have had to precede Clockwork in order for this analogy to be valid? I think that the point of this film has been completely lost on the moralists who can't see past the actions onscreen to the deeper meaning. The theme was an anti-Behavior Modification statement, and Kubrick chose to express that theme in the most graphic way he could think of. If you feel it was too much, well, art is purely subjective, isn't it? If you were apalled, then he got his point across. Clockwork Orange is a masterpiece, and will always be one of the most important films ever made. Slim
Re: Lindley benefit / was HOOPS
"Ph. Barnard" wrote: Joe sez: As for music content, it appears that the gig Saturday March 20 will be Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Hal Ketchum, and Kimmie Rhodes at the Texas Union Ballroom on the UT campus. What time will the show be starting? --junior I'll post that when I find it out. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Clip: Allman Brothers at the Beacon Theater, NYC
Southern Rock Enshrined, but Still Raucous Allman Brothers at the Beacon Theater ANN POWERS 03/09/99 When a rock band signs up to do 18 concerts in one place in one month, it had better be able to show off more than one personality. The Allman Brothers, repeating last year's residency at the Beacon Theater in Manhattan, manage that trick with ease. Here are a few things the Allmans are in 1999. The Allman Brothers are legends. The group remained elegantly absorbed in its playing throughout Friday's long performance. The guitarist Dickey Betts, in a cowboy hat and multiple tattoos, rogueishly embodied Southern rock. The heft of middle age made Gregg Allman seem more soulful as he played Hammond organ and sang his rough blues. Behind these icons, mementos spanning the band's career flashed on a big screen: concert posters, album covers, portraits of the group's deceased members, Duane Allman and Berry Oakley. These Rock-and-Roll Hall of Fame inductees had brought along their own museum. The Allman Brothers are also a cult band. Friday's show included rarely performed chestnuts like "Revival" and the group's version of "Stormy Monday." Fans screamed in delight at these treats as the most devoted scribbled down set lists. Many were college-age followers of the recent generation of jam bands, pleased to see the new Allman Brothers bassist, Oteil Burbridge, who also plays with the popular Aquarium Rescue Unit. The group attracts these young acolytes because they emphasize improvisation. Songs stretched elastically as members took protracted solos. A new tune by Mr. Betts, "J. J.'s Alley," shifted from a be-bop-inspired beginning to Santana-style rock to Texas blues. The drummers Jai Johanny Johanson and Butch Trucks got their chance to jam on the instrumental "Les Brers in A Minor," which had Mr. Trucks pounding two bass drums in double time. But the Allman Brothers are a well-oiled machine, too. The Southern boogie the group invented, which mixes blues with jazz and soul, relies on a fast, danceable beat. The way most songs circled back to almost irritatingly catchy riffs got a bit tedious in Friday's third hour, but the band's stamina barely flagged. Some would say the Allman Brothers are the soul of classic rock: music men unswayed by trends who have perfected a fusion of the genre's main ingredients. Traditionalist innovators and liberal good old boys, they are multifarious and contradictory. So is classic rock. In that way, the band is true to form. The Allman Brothers are to play at the Beacon through March 27.
