RE: CS>Check that generator
Thank you Ivan and James... An enjoyable read! Jason From: "I Anderson" Reply-To: "*Silver-List* (E-mail)" To: Subject: RE: CS>Check that generator Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:21:04 +1300 There is an article detailing CS lunar experiments somewhere on Borderlands magazine site. Ivan. > -Original Message- > From: Jason / AVRA [mailto:colloidalsilverd...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2001 5:57 p.m. > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Check that generator > > > *grins* > > For those interested, I have recently added a "blocked rough > draft" of the > Esoteric History of Silver online... It is by no means > complete, but it is > an entertaining start... > > http://silverdata.20m.com/history.html > > I would certainly be interested in investigations of lunar > influences on CS > production. Eventually, I will expand the "history" section > to include more > concrete examples of silver as used in alchemy, and also > silver lore in > modern mythology, real color theory, and expound upon > theories as to how the > "ancients" chose the "seven sacred metals" - as soon as my > theory work is > complete. > > Jason > > - Original Message - > From: "M. G. Devour" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Check that generator > > > > > Solar Events!!! MoonPhase!!! Boy, I am mightily impressed! > > > > I haven't followed the link Igor posted, but I do remember > someone on > > this list seriously studying lunar tidal effects on CS > generation a few > > years back and coming up with an apparent correlation. > > > > If I recall rightly, it seemed that in a uncontrolled LVDC > setup using > > distilled water the process went a bit faster or got started quicker > > depending on the time relative to moonrise or moonset. They reported > > the color of the product was different when otherwise the > same protocol > > was followed. > > > > Given the moon can drag the earth's waters up and down to > the tune of > > 6-10 feet, I guess it's possible there's *some* kind of effect in a > > glass of water on my dining room table! > > > > As I've often said, there are a lot more things I'll consider > > *possible* nowadays than before I met all of you! > > > > I'm not saying believe anything somebody tells you, but don't be > > shocked when some of it turns out to have some reality behind it. > > > > A bit of archive mining might turn up the messages I'm > thinking of... > > > > Be well, > > > > Mike D. > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > > [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: CS>Re: Thoughts and comments
Thank you very much Frank for bringing this to my attention. I shall hit the books again, and adjust my thinking. - Original Message - From: "Frank Key" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:32 AM Subject: Re: CS>Re: Thoughts and comments > A.V.R.A. wrote: > > > According to Peter Lindemann ( whom I personally view as a good source of > > information for more than just CS ), adding salt as a primer results in > > particles sized from .05 to .14 microns, as determined from electon > > microscope photography. Particles this size, according to Peter, are too > > large to form a colloidal suspension. > > Peter Lindemann's information has numerous scientific flaws. > > > particles sized from .05 to .14 microns > > That would be 50 to 140 nanometer sized particles, which are not too large to > form a colloidal suspension. Colloidal suspension can be formed by particles > up to 1000 nm. > > > >Properly made > > Ag(e) should contain particles approximately 0.01 to 0.001 microns in > > diameter (1 micron=one millionth of a meter, or 4/100,000 inch). At this > > tiny size, each particle is a cluster of perhaps 5-20 Silver atoms, with a > > positive electric charge." > > A 1 nanometer diameter particle (0.001 microns) consists of 31 atoms, not 5. A > 10 nm particle (0.010 micron) particle consists of 30978 atoms, not 20. > > See the table at: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Tables/Agradvolarea.PDF > > Silver particles have a NEGATIVE charge, not POSITIVE charge. Ions have a > positive charge. See the paper "Ions, Atoms and Charged Particles" at: > > http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/IonsAtoms&ChargedParticles.PDF > > frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re:distilled water
Ahh, thank you Coyote, I had misread your initial comment. - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" > The warning is to not use H2O2 and CS as a seeding solution. It's OK to > add them together [it will actually break up large particles that have > formed...turn a colored CS clear] but not to use it as a "starter". > Ken > > At 06:28 PM 10/5/01 -0600, you wrote: > >Coyote: > > > >I've never seen large flakes of silver in a CS solution where very small > >amounts of H2O2 have been added. I particularly like to use a H2O2 / CS > >solution to treat ear conditions. > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Ode Coyote" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:30 PM > >Subject: Re: CS>Re:distilled water > > > > > >> > >> > >> "Seeding" Add a bit of a previous batch of CS to the new batch to > >> increase initial conductivity of the water to get things going faster > >> without contaminating the batch with... > >> Warning: Do not use H2O2 or CS that has any H2O2 in it. [Makes very > >> pretty but huge metal flakes] > >> > >> > >> Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Thoughts and comments
According to Peter Lindemann ( whom I personally view as a good source of information for more than just CS ), adding salt as a primer results in particles sized from .05 to .14 microns, as determined from electon microscope photography. Particles this size, according to Peter, are too large to form a colloidal suspension. "Also, silver salts are often not as effective as colloidal Silver or Silver proteins. For example, Simonetti and colleagues tested extremely dilute solutions of electro-colloidal Silver [Ag(e)] and Silver nitrate [Ag N03] against culture of two bacteria (E. coli and P. aeruginosa), a yeast (C. albicans) and a mould (A. niger). The levels of Silver ion tested were incredibly low: 108 PPB (0.108mcg/ml) and 10.8PPB (0.0108 mcg/ml). Simonetti et al concluded "Our experiments showed that the contact antimicrobial activity of Ag(e) was superior to that of AgNO3 against gram-positive and negative bacteria, C. albicans, and a filamentous mycete. Our contact tests confirmed the excellent antibacterial spectrum and the high potency of electrically generated silver demonstrated previously Anodic silver ions are very effective agents at low concentrations without any detrimental effect upon normal mammalian cells, and the [low] concentrations needed to inhibit the bacteria in invitro experiments have been confirmed clinical data." (23)" 23) N. Simonetti et al (1992) "Electrochemical Ag+ for Preservative Use" Appl Environ Microbiol 58, 3834-36. The above taken from International Anti-Aging systems... The opinion stated is that silver salts are corrosive, and act as astringents and irritants. In their opinion, mild silver protein is better than silver salts. A further quote: "Electrically prepared colloidal silver [Ag(e)] is currently available from many sources, in potencies ranging from 3-5 PPM up to 500 PPM. Equally (or more) important than the silver level is the particle size and degree of dispersion. In a liquid colloid, the Silver does not actually dissolve in the liquid; rather, it exists as a suspension of microscopic particles floating around in the liquid medium. Properly made Ag(e) should contain particles approximately 0.01 to 0.001 microns in diameter (1 micron=one millionth of a meter, or 4/100,000 inch). At this tiny size, each particle is a cluster of perhaps 5-20 Silver atoms, with a positive electric charge." Also taken from International Anti-Aging Systems. Correct me if I'm wrong ( and I could be ) but most people started using salt in CS preparations because of an article written and widely publicized by Mark Metcalf. That article is still widely publicized, even though Mark later admitted that it was true that avoiding creating silver salts in the generator process was more desireable over the quick fix of adding salt, which only added the benefit of decreasing the amount of time of brew. >From AHP ( brand ): "Although there have been a number of different techniques developed in an attempt to achieve a true silver colloid, the best and most effective method is the electrical process since it is the only method which preserves the necessary homogeneity, minuteness of granules, purity and stability to create a true colloid. [Examples of other methods which have been employed are mechanical grind, ultrasonic and chemical-Ed.]. A true colloid of silver is composed of particles of ultrafine, 99.999% silver, electrically charged and held in suspension in a solution of deionized water. According to the Colloid Research Foundation, the highest quality colloidal silver consists of the maximum number of particles of the minimum possible size with the ultimate solution having a huge number of particles of one atom, each carrying an electrical charge." "Researcher Leonard Hirschberg A.M., M.D. (Johns Hopkins) says: 'From a therapeutical point of view I need only deal with the electric colloid metals ... Only these present the necessary homogeneity, purity and stability.'" According to Dr. Ronald J Gibbs, the ideal colloidal silver contains particles ranging from .01 microns to .001. In his book, Dr. Gibbs clearly demonstrates a relationship between particle size and effectiveness against bacteria, demonstrating this via in-vitro experiments. Dr. Gibbs considers safe ranges of colloidal silver to up to 12ppm. Interesting to note that Gibbs says that a 1 to 9 ratio must be used ( in-vitro) for true efficacy against bacteria ( bacteria:colloidal silver in measured in drops ). He studied time periods up to 11.5 hours. Of course, in the body, the process works differently, very differently. After spending a few minutes researching the matter, in the spirit of open-mindedness, I can't imagine why one would want to create larger particles, nor why one would want to purposefully create compounds, when it is relatively easy to avoid both. It seems like a case of reinventing the wheel square. As to why solutions made with salts still work, there could be any number
Re: CS>A Revealing Look into the Mind of a Modern Day Physician
Ahh... Thanks for clarifying that. - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 4:36 PM Subject: Re: CS>A Revealing Look into the Mind of a Modern Day Physician In a message dated 10/6/2001 6:03:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, colloidalsilverd...@hotmail.com writes: Subj:Re: CS>A Revealing Look into the Mind of a Modern Day Physician Date:10/6/2001 6:03:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time From:colloidalsilverd...@hotmail.com (A.V.R.A.) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com The only problem is, Roger, that reading QuackWatch is like reading the Enquirer... Ohhh, I want to know! *laughs* I just took the information given "as is". It seemed to be honest and without spin. Can one ever know what's *really* going on inside someone elses head? Who knows? Incidentally, the post was not from Barrett who, I believe is a retired psychiatrist. Roger
Re: CS>A Revealing Look into the Mind of a Modern Day Physician
The only problem is, Roger, that reading QuackWatch is like reading the Enquirer... Ohhh, I want to know! *laughs* The reason Barret is trying to clean up his act a bit, I bet, is the extreme legal pressure that is being applied. Even this article below is a lie: "Until you've worked for awhile as a Doc..." If that quote is by Barrett, his readers should know that he has never been a practicing physician of any type, and his degree is not even in medicine. That said, the article was interesting... Because it came from the Annals of Internal Medicine! - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 9:27 AM Subject: CS>A Revealing Look into the Mind of a Modern Day Physician List: Thanks to Quackwatch I got a rare look at what a modern day physician deals with day to day, and a peak at (in this case) her relative financial reward. Perhaps it will be short lived, but, at the moment, Quackwatch has much less diatribe and much more useful info. Roger "Physicians can be as gullible as anyone else. It takes time and energy to think critically about a subject and physicians are just as eager to find a magic solution as any other human. Until you've worked for a while as a doc, I don't think you can understand who emotionally draining it is to be unable to solve difficult health problems. There is a nice editorial in this week's Annals of Internal Medicine that compares published criticism of the Lancet homeopathy meta-analysis to the more muted criticisms of drug company sponsored RCTs. I am not sure what to do when patients ask for referrals to alt providers. I work in a multi-specialty group and one of my partners has recently completed an accupuncture course. There are two physicians in the group who will recommend questionable diets, Great Smoky Mtns Lab tests, and make questionable diagnoses. On two occasions I have sent "worried well" patients who were verbally abusive to me about "Western medicine" to these physicians. I don't know what else to do. I do refer patients who ask for chiropractor referrals to PT, but that's easy because insurance will always cover the PT and that is an excellent sales point! I innocently sent one patient to our rehab doc for his tendonitis, but he freaked out and left when the guy offered him accupuncture (I didn't know this MD was now performing it). Now I am reluctant to send patients to the rehab specialist. I personally recommend a number of "complementary" therapies: exercise, soluble fiber drinks (e.g. Metamucil), exercise, calcium supplements, exercise, physical therapy (in our area all PTs seem to perform craniosacral therapy), exercise, folate/B12/B6, exercise, enteric coated peppermint oil, and exercise. Just for the record: (although it's not strictly health fraud) I make as much per hour as I made 8 years ago as an engineer. I make a higher total amount than I did 8 years ago, but work more hours. I would easily make 33% more and work fewer hours at today's wages as a programmer. My husband who is not a physician makes 25% more than I do. If anybody wants a really good programmer with a decade of Unix experience and an M.D. degree, let me know."
Re: CS>General comments, questions
Terry, great questions... > Questions like: > 1. Does particle size matter below a certain size? (1/4" chunks are too big, yes!) This is one of, if not the major, >consideration. If coffee-colored, LVDC CS is just as effective (in killing pathogens) as crystal-clear, HVAC CS, then >variations in voltage and current are only relevant to the speed of CS-brewing. Terry, to a greater or lesser extent, yes, I believe particle size does matter. There is plenty of scientific data to suggest it ( I don't have anything handy at the moment, but I'll start looking ), although the data is not specific to silver itself. Bioavailability is the greatest issue. There is little doubt that any "decent" colloidal silver will be effective to a certain degree - WHERE it reaches. Now, how the body deals with CS, I think is still very much in question. It has been measured how small a "particle" must be for sublingual adsorption, for instance. Ionic substances ( as long as they remain ionic ) are more bioavailable than non-ionic substances, so I think the question is far more important when considering particle silver. When I find some references, I will forward them. For instance, according to a recent material datasheet I was reviewing, over-exposure to silver particles in the lungs can cause lung damage and pulmonary edema. Therefore, it is a wise consideration to apply caution. > 2. Apart from known silver compounds (silver-nitrate, > and silver compounded to any already toxic metal like > mercury, lead, cadmium, etc.) is the fear of making > silver compounds from any other minerals found in > water simply a superstition? (Minerals we think > nothing of drinking such as what is found in spring or > well water.) A superstition is something that is > feared without any logical reason, or even in the face > of logic. I have repeatedly seen newbies admonished > with great authority to NOT use salt, that this is > dangerous. Or, no other water but DW or Deionized > (maybe RO) should ever be considered. Yet I have seen > no data to substantiate these ideas. The reason for the caution here is one of common sense. Isolate any variables as much as possible, so one knows what they ARE making. I know of quite a few silver compounds that are easy to "accidently" make. I'm certain there are many possible complex compounds one can create which haven't been studied at all concerning health effects. AgBr AgI AgCl AgOh AgNO3 Now, these are very simple chemical combinations that are easy to predict. If one wants to make these, it is far less expensive to buy them directly in bulk - if you find a wholesale supplier or manufacturer, it can even be cheaper than making colloidal silver. Silver Bromide is not toxic, unless one considers Bromide as an undesireable substance in the body in excess which I do ). Silver Iodide is certainly a beneficial substance, but I wouldn't want to drink it as a part of diet. Silver Nitrate is the big kicker, and I think it is worth taking pains to try to avoid its production. When one spikes their water with salts, one creates an abundance of Silver Chloride. Why would one want to do this on purpose? The primary object here is to create a substance which contains pure silver, in a form that can be used in the body, and a form which is effective for treating conditions of health. Again, if one is wanting compounds, it can be cheaper to just buy the compounds rather than making them via the electrolysis process. The common sense is to create the desired product using the desired method. The electrolysis process was designed ( in our case ) to try and create pure silver. On the other hand, I would not hesitate to even use tap water if I did not have distilled water available. I personally would never use such a substance long term, simply because the long term effects are unknown. I believe I can prove that silver is toxic, even electro-colloidal silver, if used in a certain manner ( which isn't drinking it ). I can consistantly reproduce negative symptoms when using a nebulizer, and treatments are done excessively over a 72 hour period. It is one of the things I am studying. The symptoms are very short term, and subside rapidly, I believe BECAUSE silver is not being used in a form that remains in the body for long reference Roger Altman's excellent toxicity study ). The toxicity is very similiar to garlic. Skin oils are changed, the nervous system is definitely affected, and a rash can be induced. These manifestations are not negative in themselves, I have come across similiar reactions with other substances. The fact remains that a toxic reaction is provoked. These reactions are not of a concern to me, since they can be harnessed, used as a diagnostic tool, and can indicate when a maximum dose has been achieved. But I, for one, would feel incredibly uncomfortable if I was pumping the lungs full of excess silver compounds, of the unknown variety. PURITY is a principle that
Re: CS>List Management Redux... Please Read
You did what? Forgot? :0) That's ok, and I agree with you 100% there Coyote. I very carefully manage search engine placement, and I watch the incoming visitors closely ( not personal information of course )... For instance, most visitors average close to five minutes on the site at a time. I am well pleased that only a small percentage of people go to the products page... I don't want that page as an entrance page, though I have a hard time keeping that page low on the search engine index, but I work at it. I do sampling analysis from the major search engines... Based on statistics, I get about 6-10% of all search engine traffic for the top 3 major keyword associations on CS. I target complex search strings, rather than simple ones. I can claim another 40% easily, but the site is only about 1/3 complete - I don't have references sited yet, and four major sections need to be added. One of my teachers once taught me that the real secret to business is choosing your customers wisely ( of course, we have no "customers" per se ). It takes excellent customers to build an excellent business. I put the site together in a real hurry, relatively speaking. Tomorrow starts the day when I correct language problems that have been brought to my attention. I have a misplaced decimal as well. There's been a recent surge in interest in the H2O2 CS concentration conversion tables, which is baffling to me, personally. That means I have to do a better job explaining how to use them! I primarily put them there so I could actually access them if I wasn't at home, and as an afterthought thought a fe w people might be interested in minute and precise concentration mixtures. - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: Re: CS>List Management Redux... Please Read > > Guess what? > > I forgot about your website! It was working on being great last time I > looked...even disregarding the portion that...you know. > > I decided a while back that I don't really want to sell a LOT of CS > generators. > I don't want to work 'that' hard. Gee, getting good reviews is almost a > threat to my way of life! > Anyone who finds me belongs here... glad to see em, no need to search. If > no one comes, I get to wander. > Win win > Ken [ a failure at my lifes ambition...hobo] > > At 05:39 PM 10/3/01 -0600, you wrote: > >Coyote: > > > >I've been building a standard for the Colloidal Silver Database Website for > >quite some time. While it has certainly been an enjoyable project ( and > >this will result in a vendor awards page on our website ), very few actually > >qualify for consideration. > > > >You have to be VERY careful when undertaking a list-sponsored project - > >there are many aspects to consider. > > > >Some of the guidelines I've developed... > > > >Authenticity of information displayed on website from the public's > >viewpoint. In our view, even if an incredible "fact" is true, if 80% of > >visitors to a website leave with a bad impression, than this hurts colloidal > >silver as a whole. Presentation and authenticity is a must. Perception > >rules the world, not truth, and the gateway to truth must address > >perspectivity. > > > >Vendor Bashing - If any vendor says their product is the best, without > >substantial documentation, reasoning, and CLASS, they are not considered. > >Life is governed by dynamics, and these dynamics must be considered if > >benefit to the people is truly the motive. > > > >Component Quality and design consideration - Regardless of the simplicity of > >the device ( or the complexity ), rather than choosing one process over > >another ( this takes the choice out of the public's hands ), consideration > >is given to design and quality. Anything below 18 gauge silver is not > >considered, because a vendor, being a "professional", should be able to > >achieve a higher standard, and pass this on to customers. Preferred are > >rods, because there is a signficant quality difference, and it certainly > >increases the happiness of the end user. Balancing this with cost vs. sale > >price is considered as well. If someone is charging a fortune for colloidal > >silver ( relatively speaking ) they better be supporting a full lab. > > > >Consideration of Legal Pursuits - Although I admire the mavericks that > >recklessly charge forth against the current regimes, because of their > >well-founded passion, this is not necessarily in the public's best interest. > >If a vendor breaks the law, he'd better fully explain his/her actions, and > >fully outline what the law supposedly requires of him/her. That way, 80% of > >the visitors don't end up carrying a resentment when they get an education. > >If a site still carries the "pre-1938" clause on their site, not only do I > >question their commitment to their products, but also their commitment to > >responsible honesty. > > > >Singleness of Purpose - Many vendors sell so many products they
Re: CS>pre-1938 - what is it?
Jeannie: Many sites still advertise that the FDA does not excercise any juristiction over colloidal silver because it was an accepted medicinal substance before the FDA was formed. Some even go so far as to state it is FDA approved. While it is true that at one time colloidal silver did fall in this category, it no longer does. The FDA has the power to issue a "ruling" at any point. It, of course, has done so! - Original Message - From: deat...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:03 AM Subject: CS>pre-1938 - what is it? In a message dated 10/3/01 7:41:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: If a site still carries the "pre-1938" clause on their site, not only do I question their commitment to their products, but also their commitment to responsible honesty. What is the pre-1938 clause? Jeannine
Re: CS>Re:distilled water
Coyote: I've never seen large flakes of silver in a CS solution where very small amounts of H2O2 have been added. I particularly like to use a H2O2 / CS solution to treat ear conditions. - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:30 PM Subject: Re: CS>Re:distilled water > > > "Seeding" Add a bit of a previous batch of CS to the new batch to > increase initial conductivity of the water to get things going faster > without contaminating the batch with... > Warning: Do not use H2O2 or CS that has any H2O2 in it. [Makes very > pretty but huge metal flakes] > > > Ken > > At 11:17 AM 10/3/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Ken ~ > > > >Your tap water sounds like my well water. Too much iron and minerals. What > >is CS seeding? > > > >Thanks bunches, > > > >Julie & Critters > > > >> I've tried tap water but mine has so much iron and minerals in it that I > >> got grey stuff dropping out. > >> Distilled with CS seeding works best. > >> ken > > > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > >
Re: CS>FAQs Followup. CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
Roger: If you lack volunteers, and need something filled, let me know as well... - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:51 PM Subject: Re: CS>FAQs Followup. CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Count me in for an [advanced???] laymans understanding and plain answers...and no agruements. ken At 03:53 PM 10/3/01 EDT, you wrote: List: Over the next few days I'm going to organize the FAQ suggestions I've received into various groups that fall within certain specialty areas. In the meantime, I would like to get a list together of volunteers who would be willing to make an attempt to draft answers to those FAQs that fall under their area of expertise. To eliminate the possibility of anyone becoming offended, NO PROPOSED FAQ answer will be published to the list. Instead, all proposed answers should be sent back to me for editing. After that, I will post ANONYMOUSLY each FAQ answer for final review by the entire List, and incorporate additional suggestions that make sense. Keep in mind that brevity will be an important factor. So some useful information cannot always be included. In order to get the best answers, I'm going to need help from two groups of people. The first group of volunteers will write the first draft of answers. Let me know what are your areas of expertise. Ideally, the second group would have the broadest knowledge of CS, and would help me finalize and edit each answer after getting additional suggestions from the entire list. So please identify which group you are volunteering for. BTW, I see no problem in being in both groups as long as you are editing FAQs that you DID NOT help write. OK, I'm open to receive volunteers. The more people we have helping the better the final product, and the faster we can get it out to the newbies. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>List Management Redux... Please Read
I do have some extra bandwidth available in the event that a FAQ needs
hosting... In fact, I could set it up so that the url would be something like
this:
http://silverlistfaq.u4l.com
this would redirect the link to the faq, which would presumably actually be:
http://silverdata.20m.com/silverfaq.html
I could also add URL cloaking, so that visitors ( who are not technically savy
) would only ever see the silverlistfaq.u4l.com ( and not the
silverdata.20m.com ).
I pay for my webhosting, which includes a very nice set of tracking statistics
that are available as well. Of course, the FAQ would be formatted in html
only, so that any type of OS/computer/system could view it without difficulty.
Currently, my site utilizes Flash 5 and dhtml ( the problems I've been working
out are one reason it's been awhile since we've done an update ). I have
plenty of space, and could even dedicate 50 megs to such a project.
I could also format the document in both .txt and .doc, and have these files
available to download for printing or use offline.
The server I use is high speed, so there would be no inconvenient lag as well.
- Original Message -
From: Ode Coyote
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: CS>List Management Redux... Please Read
I'd be glad to host it on my website and have it on anyone elses website too,
of course. But probably better, one of the free website available, placed there
and updated by a non vendor so that a vendor could link to it if they wanted.
It's not hard.
The page must be non edited if hosted on a vendor website...like, no added
comments etc.
A vendor could defend his product on his own website, at the risk of
appearing 'pissy', especially if it is done by cutting another down...no way to
control that.
There was a website at www.colloidal-silver.com that promised to do an
evaluation every month...but never evaluated anything but Robey even though
several vendors sent samples to be evaluated [I for one with no results
what-so-ever]... and the site had a manufacturers resource listing but it was
completely co-opted by Robey..turned worthless for comparative value.
Alas, It could have been good and had a high search engine rating too.
[probably because of all the other sites that linked to it]
Tricky Deception
Gotta find someone who's honest.
Ken
At 01:15 PM 10/3/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Ken.
>
>You said: "...It might be helpful to have a vendors page where each product
>is
>evaluated by an uninvolved expert [or panel of] and includes users comments
>which could be solicited from listers...not vendors..."
>
>That sounds like a great idea!! I'm not sure how feasible it is or how
>willing the list owners would be to put their necks out like that, but it
>would be a genuine help to those looking for dependable information on CS or
>generators. I know I would have searched it many times by now.
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>Mike, What are the chances of this happening?
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>Bulloved Bulldogs
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Re: CS>Fwd: [healthfraud] Computer Viruses
Yes Roger, it is true and has been for some time. As far as I know, every single web-based virus and e-mail based viruses that use active X controls and loopholes in the windows explorer program, can be fixed by downloading the patch directly from microsoft. When one stumbles upon these kind of viruses, they still infect the computer, but they are unable to execute the commands that make a virus a virus... including replication. Many of the viruses will mask themselves with confusion. If you accidently click on a link, a "million" windows will open up, and you may not even see the "downloading" message on the screen. These sites often include multiple exploit attempts, many of which require user input to perform. Watch those little boxes that pop with "Yes" and "No" action prompts. I've STILL seen the virus out there, where if you click "yes" to download and auto-install software, the virus will wait until activity on your computer subsides, and then attempt to dial out of the country on your modem. There are lots of tricks out there, most of them can be satisfactorily handled by simply paying attention. - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Rosa Altman Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: CS>Fwd: [healthfraud] Computer Viruses List: Anyone know if this is true? Roger In a message dated 10/3/2001 3:59:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike...@aol.com writes: Subj:[healthfraud] Computer Viruses Date:10/3/2001 3:59:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time From:mike...@aol.com To:truelot...@hotmail.com, jaly...@myexcel.com, healthfr...@lists.quackwatch.com Hello List, My company has been plagued by computer viruses for four weeks now. Some computer pros came in today to fix it. They said you can now get a virus by simply browsing the Internet. Mcihael
Re: CS>List Management Redux... Please Read
Coyote: I've been building a standard for the Colloidal Silver Database Website for quite some time. While it has certainly been an enjoyable project ( and this will result in a vendor awards page on our website ), very few actually qualify for consideration. You have to be VERY careful when undertaking a list-sponsored project - there are many aspects to consider. Some of the guidelines I've developed... Authenticity of information displayed on website from the public's viewpoint. In our view, even if an incredible "fact" is true, if 80% of visitors to a website leave with a bad impression, than this hurts colloidal silver as a whole. Presentation and authenticity is a must. Perception rules the world, not truth, and the gateway to truth must address perspectivity. Vendor Bashing - If any vendor says their product is the best, without substantial documentation, reasoning, and CLASS, they are not considered. Life is governed by dynamics, and these dynamics must be considered if benefit to the people is truly the motive. Component Quality and design consideration - Regardless of the simplicity of the device ( or the complexity ), rather than choosing one process over another ( this takes the choice out of the public's hands ), consideration is given to design and quality. Anything below 18 gauge silver is not considered, because a vendor, being a "professional", should be able to achieve a higher standard, and pass this on to customers. Preferred are rods, because there is a signficant quality difference, and it certainly increases the happiness of the end user. Balancing this with cost vs. sale price is considered as well. If someone is charging a fortune for colloidal silver ( relatively speaking ) they better be supporting a full lab. Consideration of Legal Pursuits - Although I admire the mavericks that recklessly charge forth against the current regimes, because of their well-founded passion, this is not necessarily in the public's best interest. If a vendor breaks the law, he'd better fully explain his/her actions, and fully outline what the law supposedly requires of him/her. That way, 80% of the visitors don't end up carrying a resentment when they get an education. If a site still carries the "pre-1938" clause on their site, not only do I question their commitment to their products, but also their commitment to responsible honesty. Singleness of Purpose - Many vendors sell so many products they can't possibly keep informed. While I don't view this as bad, it is the pursuit of excellence that that pushes things beyond current limits. It is our intention to support these types of people. If multiple products are carried, an extensive section outlining their colloidal silver views is required. Answering Correspondence - Even in light of the current world structure, we still believe in personalized customer service, especially in matters of health. Turning over such an endevour to a commitee is a very poor idea. Commitee = Politics. No committee is necessary if a clear, concise, and posted set of principles is used to gauge qualifications. The audience will make any discrepencies cleaer, if given enough information. An auditor can soley be responsible for addressing suggestions and complaints. If one has problems with subjective requirements, then one can set up a blind democracy of parties whom have NO interest in colloidal silver, and a full-vote can be taken to determine grey areas. Strategies for Integrity ( as I call them ) is a wonderful area of thought. There is incredible room for growth in such managements. - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: Re: CS>List Management Redux... Please Read > It is a sore temptation to toot ones own horn especially when someone asks > what the best commercially available generator is and a sales op appears to > a vendor. > It would be very helpful if various people who use various commercial > products chime in quickly with their experiences. That way both the pro > and cons can come out instead of who is the most pro and everyone else a con. > Many people who have bought generators have done extensive research > surfing websites, but those websites are usually very biased, so people > wind up here to try and weed out some of the sales BS. > It might be helpful to have a vendors page where each product is > evaluated by an uninvolved expert [or panel of] and includes users comments > which could be solicited from listers...not vendors. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mik
CS>Colloidal Silver & List
Things are beginning to feel good Mike et al... Adversity can do that - polarize change, and hopefully toward the primary purpose! For the new people on the list, and the ones that have always been there: I've been studying colloidal silver for roughly three years now. When I started, I had a small amount of information which I had no choice but to accept as solid and definative, having only limited sources of information and a limited time in which to act. The colloidal silver list, upon discovery, took all of my absolutes and turned them into doubts. This turned out to be a great thing due to the fact that I chose to accept a fundamental truth ( which had more than adequately been demonstrated personally ) and weather through the doubts that had been raised in my own mind. The fundamental truth was the undisputable fact that colloidal silver had health-impacting benefits. The doubts had to do with processes of creation, safety, dosage levels, the efficacy against specific afflictions, and the way colloidal silver works in the body. This is the place I found where I could watch, learn, and trust that those involved had a purity of purpose, and that purpose was shared, despite, because of, or irregardless of financial, moral, political, or spiritual motives and preferences. All similiarities past this point? There were none universal to all. And that is the exact gift that this list presents to those who choose to view. I have seen two other colloidal silver lists, and they do not compare, not in the least, to this list. I subscribe to well over 20 lists, and most, frankly, are near worthless. Why? Because most of the information shared on the others are readily found in other places, and the listers simply pass this information back and forth, and perhaps boast a few experts, who seldom have the time to fully expound upon their formulations. Often, the "passed on" information is not fully adsorbed by the persons passing it on, and errors often result - time consuming errors. Personal testimonials can be found, and yet, one can find testimonials to almost anything - and in abundance! - anywhere on the net, and at personal convenience. Many people seek effectiveness, but few have learned the value of seeking understanding. Many people seek answers, but fewer have been taught the value of seeking different questions. Many people seek to challenge, but few really pursue the truth over the thrill of the power of contention, or the power of being right. That's what makes this list so different. 1) It contains extraordinary diversity that is often so involved in the positive ( even if the "positive" comes out with an unpolished expression once in awhile ) that it forgets that many in normal walks of life would not associate with each other, having met in the real world. 2) It possesses a pool of talent that is willing to spend YEARS dedicated to a SINGLE subject, and openly share their experiences, sometimes as if it were their personal journal. 3) A flexibility that can only be found under wise management, a tolerant membership, and an environment that dares to accept challenges. Nearly every single one of us agrees that if one starts from the very basics, one is light years ahead of the general population. If you are new, hold on to that one concept. There is no risk, and there is everything to gain. Nearly every one of us agrees that there are significant questions that have not been answered satisfactorily. That, indeed, is a measure of the lists honesty. This list has not degraded into a social club, nor has it succumbed to cultish behavior. Having said that there are questions which remain unanswered, I'd like to qualify that safety of use is not one of them, provided your colloidal silver is made in lower concentrations OR via the electrolysis method. That's not to say that other types of colloidal silver ARE harmful, only that there are questions that remain unanswered. This means that you have time to explore for yourself the many facets of colloidal silver as a beginn er. Now for some experience: I found colloidal silver with less than twenty dollars to my name, and a loved one dying in the hospital, with everyone powerless to stop it. I spent countless hours day in and day out researching any possible treatment that I could somehow apply to a hospital setting where I had no real power. I wrote research institutions getting no return response. Then I found colloidal silver. I located the only supplier in the area that carries higher grade silver, and proceeded to make the simple nine-volt battery generator with two silver 18 gauge wires in 8 ounces of distilled water. I created and drank about 1 liter myself to see if I would keel over. When I didn't, I made 16 ounces, and snuck it into the hospital in an blue glass Arizona Ice Tea bottle. My situation was a blessing in disguise. My loved one had not eaten in over twenty days ( probably closer to thirty ). I
Re: CS>On How to Go About Determining the Solubility of Silver Ion in a LVDC ...
Well throw me in Roger! I've done equilibrium equations before, but it's been a long time and it's only been in school. *puts thinking cap on* Let's advance Science! - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: Re: CS>On How to Go About Determining the Solubility of Silver Ion in a LVDC ... In a message dated 9/30/2001 4:15:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ac...@brookings.net writes: Subj:Re: CS>On How to Go About Determining the Solubility of Silver Ion in a LVDC ... Date:9/30/2001 4:15:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time From:ac...@brookings.net (Arnold Beland) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com count me in Arnold: Good. We have two people so far. Roger
Re: CS>On How to Go About Determining the Solubility of Silver Ion in a LVDC ...
Roger: When I want an answer to something I've been working on, I am always interested in input from any source... But if it is available I seek out the most qualified opinion I can. The issue of mathematics, I'd be glad to look over. But that is really meaningless, that the math is correct. The question is, is the chemistry in the math correct? I don't see that as an easy simple answer! - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:55 AM Subject: Re: CS>On How to Go About Determining the Solubility of Silver Ion in a LVDC ... In a message dated 9/30/2001 11:05:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, colloidalsilverd...@hotmail.com writes: Subj:Re: CS>On How to Go About Determining the Solubility of Silver Ion in a LVDC Brew Date:9/30/2001 11:05:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time From:colloidalsilverd...@hotmail.com (A.V.R.A.) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Hey Roger I have not commented on your chemistry equation because frankly it has been ages since I've done so - my own competency would hardly indicate anything. I think the effort put forth is extraordinary and I was waiting to see if anyone would challenge it. I do, however, have an associate that I know on staff at Purdue University, who is an extremely capable chemist. With your permission, I'd like to forward your data and conclusions on. Sometimes it takes ages to hear back from him, and sometimes he does not have the time to delve deeply into a topic, but I figure it may be worth the effort. What say you? Of course I have absolutely no problem with you doing that. But my frustration goes much deeper than not having the opportunity to have my calculations reviewed by those you believe to be competent to do it. What bugs me is that no one on this list seems to be willing to apply himself/herself to looking at some reasonably simple mathematics that I believe resolve a problem that has been debated on this list for the last several months. Are we all so used to endless discussions and argument that we have no patience to trust in our innate thinking powers through science and its language, mathematics? Roger
Re: CS>On How to Go About Determining the Solubility of Silver Ion in a LVDC Brew
Hey Roger I have not commented on your chemistry equation because frankly it has been ages since I've done so - my own competency would hardly indicate anything. I think the effort put forth is extraordinary and I was waiting to see if anyone would challenge it. I do, however, have an associate that I know on staff at Purdue University, who is an extremely capable chemist. With your permission, I'd like to forward your data and conclusions on. Sometimes it takes ages to hear back from him, and sometimes he does not have the time to delve deeply into a topic, but I figure it may be worth the effort. What say you? - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 7:00 AM Subject: CS>On How to Go About Determining the Solubility of Silver Ion in a LVDC Brew In a message dated 9/30/2001 5:48:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, coy...@alltel.net writes: Subj:Re: CS>Ions vs Particles Date:9/30/2001 5:48:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time From:coy...@alltel.net (Ode Coyote) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Thanks Frank I think I get a clearer mental picture of what's happening now...in pure water with a low energy electrolytic process. And dissolved oxygen/ozone, some nitrates, CO2 and such are always present to some small degree to account for being able to go over the limit a bit. Ken Ken: You said, "And dissolved oxygen/ozone, some nitrates, CO2 and such are always present to some small degree to account for being able to go over the limit a bit." My calculations clearly indicate that this conclusion is false. Professor Maass arrived at an incorrect conclusion because he initiated his calculations at an incorrect starting point. The CORRECT starting point is to ASSUME that a typical LVDC product is in equilibrium with air, and the pH of the CS product is representative of this TOTAL equilibrium (This is how I INITIATED my earlier calculations). THEN you set up your RELEVANT equations and solve them. I would love to conduct a tutorial about how to determine the solubility of ionic silver in a typical LVDC product. At the moment I feel totally frustrated that not one person on this list knows what the hell I'm talking about. Any thoughts about how I should proceed would be greatly appreciated. Roger
Re: CS>List feedback
H Bill said: >We could send thousands of our customers to this list each week as we get over 1000 hits daily and have an opt in list of >eager readers of 4000 and growing. Luckily, the list is not here to serve as a support for anyone's business interests. We don't treat people as if they need to be led by the hand, guided gently out of the realm of the confusing into the peaceful bliss of ignorance. You should realize, as well, that your opt in list is borderline illegal if it is associated with your website which sells products, or your brand name products. Forwarned is forearmed. >It is dificult enough to bring these curious neophites to a basic understanding of this wonderful natural antibiotic through the >fog of FDA, FTC and AMA hired bashers and blue schills without the further confusion of a psyco ward of pseudo scientific >types who love to read their own typing about nonsense. Some makeup new terms in every new paragraph, much to their >own delight, I'm sure, but to the confusion and consternation of the new initiates. I'm sorry you have such a hard time. It has never been difficult for me to convince anyone of the benefits, and a clear understanding ( although a limited understanding ) of how colloidal silver is beneficial, nor has it been difficult to demonstrate with even the most rudimentary CS setup. Throw the neophyte into a subject, and act as a guide. I don't view such people as initiates, because that implies that there is a complete body of knowledge ( to the letter ) that is has ben passed on in entirety ( thus the person is initiated, and no longer suseciptible to false ideas, and has a complete command over the material at hand ). Some people make up words, other people misuse them, such is the way of life. People have managed to survive in the world without a mind-policeman so far. >We get at least a dozen new testimonials each week which would edify and encourage many listers, especially the new ones >instead of the endless strings of stories about taking quarts of inferior cs daily mixed with DMSO, Gatorade, Tealeaves, >H2O2 and a host of other things to chase a common cold for days. I'm sorry you don't see the benefits of hydrogen peroxide for use with colloidal silver, DMSO or even Gatorade. The testimonials that you've shared with the list ( I'm sure all would agree ) are valueable additions. I'm glad your customers have a positive experience with your product. You should be proud. >There are dozens if not over a hundred people who have overcome hepatitis c and even AIDS with quality cs. I don't want >them coming to this list getting all confused. Most of these newbies never heard of CS a few minutes before coming to our >web site. They just know it works and want more. Amatuer tinkerers are not able(financially) to drive thousands of visitors >to their website or to this list as it takes big bucks. For us purveyors who have CS as not only a hoby but a livelyhood to be >bashed by the moderator and certain listers seems to be a conterproductive tactic in view of the stated list goals. On my sites, I generate thousands upon thousands of hits, and I do it with almost no capital. I could increase that number ten-fold, viritually overnight, by offering to sell SOMEthing ( even T-shirts ). People are generally more inclined to buy than to reach to understand. The idea of purchasing generates its own energy in our modern world. This is a well studied phenominon. As far as colloidal silver goes, I talk with many customers that are purchasers of vendor products on this list, as well as doctors, chemists, electricians, engineers, and the general public. One usually finds our website when they seek balance, and a broader understanding of the controversies at hand ( which they seldom ever get from any one particular vendor ). I treat each one as if they are an intelligent person capable of handling conflicting ideas, not as if they were sheep that needed to be lead in a direction of thinking. Many of them are far more qualified in their respective fields than I, and such exchanges are usually conducted to mutual satisfaction. Although very recently I got torn to shreds by a chemist ( I thanked him ) based on some terminology use, experience to date has shown that conflicting ideas, ceaseless questioning, and a relentless search for truth is a good thing. Sadly, I must say, many customers ask about statements made by vendors, and I am obligated to point them in the direction of known facts ( which, by the way, are seldom created by me personally ). Usually, however, this only results in a greater understanding, or at least a different perspective. People leave with more than they came with. >In my opinion, listers should confine their questions and answers to the subject of colloidal silver and very closely related >subjects. They should be quickly removed from the forum after being once warned of violations. There have to be >judgements made also whe
Re: CS>Treating the Whole Body. Maybe They Mean Hole Body. Makes
...Not only that, but it is literally impossible to treat a part without influencing the whole. It is worthy to consider that colloidal silver rarely treats a cause.In many cases, the causes for ailments lie in an overtaxed immune system. Colloidal silver works excellent in these cases, because when effective, it supports the immune system. In ideal situations, the immune system recovers quickly, and the problem is irradicated. In other cases, like the gentleman with the dandruff problem, colloidal silver can eliminate the manifestation of symptoms, and do it ( it is my strong presumption ) without suppressing the symptoms ( if one is dropping the count of bacteria/viri/funi one is not supressing a natural body function to achieve results ). Antibiotics can be wonderful. It is, however, erroneous to presume they treat the whole body. An unavoidable effect can hardly be viewed as a "treatment". Something which treats the whole body has a positive effect on the whole body, such as a sea salt bath. It has been proven that treating the mind and the emotional body also greatly assists the healing process. I remember reading the true story of an Australian who spent months begging one of his professors to begin I.V. adminstration of colloidal silver. The professor at first refused to take this type of responsibility. The individual was HIV positive with "full blown" AIDS. As his condition deteriorated, the Professor reportedly finally gave in. The treatment, evidently, was highly successful ( the CS used was from an Australian lab, ionic silver ). My point here is not about the treatment of HIV via a high quality silver product. The point is that first, the patient's mind had to be treated, in this case, by himself. Only the mind doubts. A state of doubt seldom leads to perseverance. Certainty, even if misplaced, always leads to very unique places. We used to train in what we called Certainty without Expectation. Certainty, in this light, is ONLY a method of travel for the mind. The professor's heart needed a dose of treatment. The question? Can a convinced mind stand up to watching, slowly, a dear person die in agony? In this case, no. - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:23 AM Subject: Re: CS>Treating the Whole Body. Maybe They Mean Hole Body. Makes > > Another way to say "Treat the whole person" is to "not treat just the > symptoms..." with the definition of symptom being broadened past the > narrow description minimally required for a diagnosis. > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Biological, chemical and nuclear warfare
One thing to keep in mind is that I don't usually a powder, unless I'm testing a manufacturer's processed bentonite. I use the raw stuff directly from a subterranean vein, which is almost in rock form. When using the powder, it's best to start with hot water added to a large glass container ( this simply makes mixing a bit easier ). Then, add the equivalent of 1 tablespoon of bentonite power per 8 ounces of water, as a minimum amount. Mix thoroughly. After time, with such little bentonite in the water, the bentonite may settle toward the bottom of the container. It is a simple matter to remix the sol in a time of need ( by simply aggitating the container ). However, if one continues to add more bentonite, tablespoon by tablespoon, there will come a point when the solutions becomes uniform - a point where settling will not occur, and yet the product is still aqueous. This is ideal, and the exact point where the crystalline properties of clay begin to be harnessed. Each clay is a bit different, some requiring more and some requiring less water to achieve this state. However, if one has never used bentonite internally, it is best to use bentonite diluted until the body adjusts to its use. Of course, the highest quality water is always desireable. Still, there is no reason not to use tap water, or even colloidal silver. Speaking of which, I'm still puzzled as to exactly how healing clays and colloidal silver work together, but there is no longer any doubt in my mind that they work together well. For instance, cold sores, I have found, are eliminated more than 50% more rapidly than with healing clay alone, or colloidal silver alone ( both solutions work days faster than the best OC drug on today's market ). In fact, if treated within the first six hours or so of noticeable manifestation, they can be arrested within the first few hours of treatment, and be eliminated by the next day ( a key note is not to allow the bentonite/silver magma dry, for this can cause needless tissue irritation, with no added benefit ). The base substance of bentonite clay ( which in reality comes nowhere near the actual natural substance ) is Al2 SiO5. Upon hydration, bentonite becomes negatively charged. Theoretically, it is my supposition that ionic silver would be sorpted to the wide surface areas of the clay, and exchanged later when the clay comes in contact with other organic matter ( as this organic matter is also sorpted ). However, this is only a theory, and chemists who specialize in layer charge characteristics, and other specialties specific to crystalline/clay substances are rather hard to come by! > The "clay water" you refer to is just ordinary distilled or perhaps > spring water with a handful of bentonite powder thrown into it and > allowed to settle? You drink the the liquid alone or do you shake it up > to be sure you get the clay itself? > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Biological, chemical and nuclear warfare
Greetings, all... I am by no means an expert in chemical or biological warfare. The thought alone simply defies description, although I have no doubt that humanity is capable of developing a substance that would successfully thwart all efforts for recovery. However, dealing with the present concerns, it is unlikely that such a wicked substance - if one type could be described more wicked than another - would be deployed. Ideally, this suggests that victims of such misfortune may have a chance to recover. I was hesistant to write this email for several reasons. First and foremost, I have no direct data to support my ideas. In fact, few do, since it is technically against international law to test such weapons ( and therefore any efficacy of a treatment ) on humans. This is a good thing, no doubt. Secondly, a strong background is undoubtedly required to use these ideas with confidence and responsibility. To attempt to find a justification for my ideas, I did a bit of research, trying to find any correlating data. Surprisingly, I found two references that lend credence to my ideas. In the of Molecular Toxicology 12: 11-15, Zhai, H., D.J. Bubbras, et al. report that quaternium-18 bentonite gel acts as a protectant, and significantly decreased levels of sodium Lauryl Sulfate in skin tissues. This was taken from Strategies to Protect the Health of Deployed U.S. Forces: Force Protection and Decontamination (2000) by the Commission on Engineering and Technical Systems. Presumably, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate mimicks some of the key properties of biological and/or chemical agents. Ironically, I also learned that bentonite can be used as a carrier for spores in biological warfare, which clearly demonstrates the two distinct and opposite characteristics of the same substance. Also, taken from the Dennis J. Reimer Training and Doctrine Digital Library ( United States Army ): Bentonite is listed as a primary counter-measure for livestock in the event of a nuclear disaster. The suggested dose listed for a cow was 300 grams. Water purification via silver ( and other ) filtration devices is a great idea. Ingesting colloidal silver in larger quantities when a direct risk is present is also undoubtedly a great idea. That this protection alone is insufficient, especially in the face of chemical or nuclear warfare, is clear. Seconds count. Let me describe: About four weeks ago, stumbling around one morning, I poured my morning coffee into a coffee cup that contained ( estimated ) 50 ml of bleach. I sat down at my computer to check email, and took a few very generous swallows. I just about threw myself out of my chair gagging. Instantly I jumped up and ran to the cubbard where I keep an ample supply of clay water. I drank almost a liter. By the time I returned to my chair, the sense of needing to vomit had passed. Three minutes later, all queasiness had left, and I never gave it a second thought - I just returned to my business at hand. While the amount of bleach I had consumed was hardly life threatening, I knew that the bentonite would protect my stomach and safely evacuate the bleach with no further action needed. In the event of over-exposure to toxic substances where an individual is unable to take immediate action, several serious concerns must be addressed when using bentonite. The strength of the individual is of paramount concern. Bentonite used externally with extremely weakened individuals can theoretically be lethal, especially considering the extent of treatment that is required ( and as soon as possible ). The body can enter a state of shock, and the functions of the body can be arrested rather than stimulated. The Gerson Institute ( among others ) successfully employs a very safe and effective protocol using external clay to stimulate the body's natural elimination facilities, in treatment of such severe conditions as pancreatic cancer. A cheese-cloth dressing is used, and a very thin strip of clay is added to the dressing, and this is applied to the liver as a poultice with the hydrated clay side up and left on for no more than four hours. This is a highly conservative approach, no doubt developed for people who are too weak to even walk. Another suggestion is to employ sea salt and clay in hot baths - hot to tolerance. Although a standard recommendation of one cup of sea salt and one cup of bentonite per bath is often recommended, this is not nearly enough bentonite to use in a crisis situation. More like 40 to 50 cups of bentonite - an inconvenient proposition in the light of modern plumbing, yet a good thing to keep in mind. The body is submerged in this bath for as long as a person can tolerate it. The longest I've come in contact with is a treatment that lasted three days, although it was only one leg being treated, and a plastic garbage container was used ( nothing else was readily available ). An individual who has been exposed to radiation or chemicals still maint
Re: CS>Mesosilver
Will be looking forward to the bacteriological comparison, Stephen... Thank you. - Original Message - From: "Stephen Quinto" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: CS>Mesosilver > Dear Listmembers, > > After several references in past postings by the manufacturer of the subject > product concerning its quality and effectiveness, and now two most > recent quotes [below] the past day or so, the truth of the matter begs to be > shown, since his comments are not only self-serving but, more important, > misleading. > > In proffering a protocol, he states:- > "A high particle surface area colloid (Mesosilver) is used for maximum > effectiveness." > and, in clarifying:- > "the single most important aspect of inhalation therapy is the use of a > silver colloid having a high particle surface area." > > Having paraded this product to this list and to the public as having 1.4nm > particles, and its singular "effectiveness" therefore -- by virtue of its > smallest particle size and consequent greater surface area -- the facts > really needed to be shown. Our report can be seen on our website under > "NEWS". It is titled: "A Look At MESOSILVER'. > > The presumption offered by this manufacturer was that the "smaller" the > particles the greater its bactericidal effectiveness. This assumption -- > made without any documented evidence -- can only be described as spurious > science! > > Go to www.natural-immunogenics.com for the pictorial truth and comment. > You'll find the NEWS link on the home page, up on the left. > > It is such spurious claims that have created an overwhelming scepticism > amongst the scientific community with respect to colloidal silver. And > worse, have empowered the regulators with the kind of pseudo-science by > which they have tainted the efforts of objective researchers. > > This most important material, one which may yet save countless lives, has > languished in the closets of scientific inquiry precisely because of the > preponderance of marginally effective products paraded as absolutely the > best thing since sliced bread! It's time truth comes to light. In > everything we do > > Stephen > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Athletes foot
Hi Nina et al: - Original Message - From: "Nina Silver" Very true, Nina, and well said... > > Hi Folks. > My companion used to use Biotone for massage until I pointed out that it > contains Oleth 3. According to Judi Vance, author of BEAUTY TO DIE FOR, this > ingredient is a glycol. Glycols are used to emulsify ingredients in > cosmetics and body care creams and lotions. Unfortunately, as a group > glycols are not optimal to use, since they can be carcinogenic and/or toxic > in other ways and cause adverse reactions. However, the amount of DEAs and similiar substances that the average person exposes to their body on a daily basis is hudreds of times more than the diluted cream after it is made. Not shampooing the hair one day that one normally would makes up for the "increased" exposure by far. Not to discount your points, because they are extremely valid. That's why I referred to the biotone as a lesser of evils. That's also one reason why I don't sell a cream. I would use jojoba oil, which is my favorite massage oil of choice, but it frankly doesn't work. It works great for massage and as a standard carrier, but performs extremely poorly where dermal infections are concerned. I cannot stress the fact enough that one does not want any substance sitting on top of the skin unless one has a specific reason for it. What you do to see how things really work, is you strip-clean the skin of it's natural balancing oils, and then you see what these products really do. The best creams in the world, that I have found, come in very, very small containers where a half-ounce is a six month supply. I worked with an Australian Botanist a few years ago who developed the most extraordinary cream ( coined Omnicron ). Although he did receive USP approval, our US government told him to never put it on the common market, that he would be permitted to sell it underground only. This after a fight about disclosure of how the cream was made. The prime principle of this particular cream was developed after the botonist spent six months in the mojave desert studying a very rare cactus which thrived in environments where there was NO rainfall. The cream used NO hydrating additives. Instead, it pulled pure water in minute quanties from the surrounding air. It is possible that the government was interested in the cream for defense projects. During the period where he was being harrassed, we had to grant him safe solace on a private peice of property where the arms of these particular thugs could not reach ( it should be noted, however, that this botonist had little to no diplomatic disposition, although in the end I really don't think that should matter ). I don't think I will ever be able to re-develop that exact cream, but I strive to apply the principles I've learned through the experience. It should be stated, however, that all my own personal work is geared toward allowing a person to freely operate in the world without great fear of every substance one touches. If the body is restored to optimal functionality, then one has little fear of more common environmental exposures. If one's body is not in optimal condition, no amount of careful practices beyond the absolute extreme will prevent the body from adsorbing these substances which consequently will do harm. If one has to think about their healthcare every moment of the day, then one is only a slave ( this, speaking, for the average person and not those on special programs to combat specific disease ). Today's world is what it is. Perhaps the world of the future will be a more favorable place, it is something worth working towards. The greatest successes I've had is where a problem is identified, dealt with, eliminated, and the person can get back to LIFE, without another thought about the condition, but perhaps with a bit more consciousness awareness of how nature and the world works. But fear, in any form, is the great killer of spirit. > > Biotone happens to be one of the better brands of skin creams available. > Massage practitioners like it because it absorbs so well into the skin. > Oleth 3 is the eighth out of ten ingredients that comprise Biotone. One of > the chief ingredients is listed as "Canadian canola oil," and is probably > genetically engineered--although due to the several phases that rapeseed (or > Canola, short for "Canadian oil") has gone through, it is hard to say for a > fact that the specific oil in Biotone is genetically engineered. I have a hard time believing that any ingredients in Biotone cream are genetically engineered, but stranger things have happened and I'm going to try to do some research on the subject. > Peace to you all. > Nina Silver > > > -- -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscr
Re: CS>Athletes foot
Tel: Are you referring to bentonite powder? Indeed, I have found an extraordinary amount of success using healing clays with psorasis. In fact, on a list dedicated to the condition, I volunteered at one point to completely fund a private study, contrasting the effectiveness of a standard 325 mesh industrial grade bentonite with a healing grade clay. I was certain that both would yield favorable results if used correctly, yet was highly interested in trying to determine the true quality difference, and modifying the treatment in cases where no clear effect was experienced. Par for the course? Only two people were interested in participating. Sometimes the paradox of life is truely amazing. On a constant basis, we turn down requests from individuals willing to pay top dollar for a high quality clay. And on the other hand, I can't give it away to a targeted group of people for a study! ( incidently, it was later determined that such a study should be done on a local basis ). Eventually we'll get some of this stuff done. - Original Message - From: "Tel Tofflemire" To: ; "Dean T. Miller" Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:11 AM Subject: Re: CS>Athletes foot > I bought 40 lbs of pure Biotone power in So. Dakota @ the corner of hiways > 281 and 34 at a well drilling co. for $8.00 a 40 # bag. It was 99 % pure > and a beautiful very light grey in color. I have mixed CS to wet it and make a > paste and use it on my wifes skin problems (psorasis) I have used it twice > only at 2 weeks apart. Her patch is 60% smaller than it was before the > Biotone/CS treatment mud pack. Seems to work. well. > Tel Tofflemire > Phoenix, AZ > > "Dean T. Miller" wrote: > > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:49:22 -0600, "A.V.R.A." > > wrote: > > > > >I use biotone cream as a cream base, and dilute it about 100% - 300% > > > sometimes more and sometimes less, depending on skin condition ) with > > >colloidal silver ( I run long batches for external use to increase the > > >amount of actual silver particle content ). I add various pure essential > > >oils to the blend depending on the use. > > > > I've looked for Biotone cream around here (central Iowa) and can't > > seem to find any. > > > > Do you have any suggestions about where I might get some? > > > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Athletes foot
Thank you all for your interest in the cream. Sadly, I do not nor cannot sell any products at this time. It REALLY is not difficult to produce. Biotone cream can usually be purchased from a massage resale store ( make sure to get the cream and not the oil ). When acquiring essential oils, make sure that they are pure, and if at all possible not extracted using alcohol. Terry, I'm sorry to hear about the sensitivity to the biotone cream, it is rare. Keep in mind ( for yourself ) that there is a big difference between using biotone cream straight and biotone cream as a base. The developed end product is extremely watery - moreso than the average soup. An ounce of the final product can last a month, even if used daily for the hands and face. A "drop" is placed on the finger and massaged into the skin - this process is repeated for a uniform "coat". For the feet, it is lightly coated on. My choice for the biotone cream is currently a default choice. It's the lesser of the "evils" that I've tested. I needed to develop a cream that did not promote the spread of bacteria 20 minutes after application as it began to break down, one that did not clog pores nor overly irritate the skin ( the essential oils are a very light irritant when used properly, but the effect subsides about three minutes after application as the essential oils are adsorbed and is part of the desired effect ), and one did not just sit on top of the skin and attract dirt ( which in turn irritates the skin which in turn creates a favorable environment for bacteria ). The finest formula I've been able to develop I cannot currently create due to cost of raw materials. The prime emulsifying and binding agent is chitosan, the secondary ingredient is real crushed pearls - possibly with some natural moss used for thickness. It, of course, is imperative that the end formula be created without the use of heat, which rules out all of the "common" agents, even if they WERE desireable agents. Even the really fine oils such as olive oil, jajoba, almond and grapeseed, all tend to have less than desireable effects after being on the skin for an extended period of time ( when dealing with incredibly sensitive skin ). Biotone cream does have a fragrance from the essential oils and plant extracts that are used. Futhermore, my original design ideas had to fullfill the prerequisite of the substance being able to be applied under makeup. The people I worked with at the time were serious public performers who constantly dealt with skin problems due to the high amount of makeup that the profession requires be applied. Although I did not succeed to my satisfaction at that time, later work with extremely severe adult onset acne placed me in a catch 22 position. With intensive healing clay treatments, I could pull much of the infection out of the skin in a relatively short period of time. However, a byproduct of using too much clay to the face ( over and over again during the day ), is the dehydration of the skin, which in turn creates the ideal environment for the bacteria to reinfect the tissues. The treatment of both boils and cysts is not rapid, and skin infections of these types tend to be cyclic. Because of this problem, the best I could achieve was extreme reduction in pain and a gradual cessation of the condition, with the infection losing hold a bit more after each cycle ( all these in situations where it was not possible to do two to three clay packs daily because of circumstances ). - Original Message - From: ejohns9...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:26 AM Subject: Re: CS>Athletes foot In a message dated 09/14/2001 5:22:48 AM Central Daylight Time, j.bra...@castsoftware.com writes: Do you sell this cream? I would be very interested in buying some, if you do. Joseph Brabet. ___ So would I !! Edith
Re: CS>Athletes foot
Terry et al: A possible explanation for the occurence of athletes foot under these circumstances can be derived from a principle of natural medicine. A phenomenon often called the "exteriorization" of symptoms/illness is quite often a byproduct of truly natural therapy, which seeks not to suppress a condition but to release it. One thing that is often affected is the acid/basic balance of the body when one undergoes any type of internal cleansing. Many people believe that fungal conditions thrive when the body becomes overly acidic. In my own experience, I've seen lesions, rashes, immense swelling and severe ( albeit temporary ) flulike symptoms, depending on the initial conditions being addressed. Thankfully, these exteriorizations usually depart, never to return, upon successful treatment of the initial problem ( when they were never present to begin with ). For atheletes foot and other skin conditions of fungal origin, and for skin that for one reason or another becomes dry but not oily, I developed the following formula ingredients: I use biotone cream as a cream base, and dilute it about 100% - 300% sometimes more and sometimes less, depending on skin condition ) with colloidal silver ( I run long batches for external use to increase the amount of actual silver particle content ). I add various pure essential oils to the blend depending on the use. For athletes foot, I certainly include eucalyptus, and I use myrrh and frankincense in all blends. Tee trea essential oil is a fantastic addition, although both tee trea oil and eucalyptus oil can really only be used in extreme moderation for any part of the body BUT the feet. The idea is to create a cream that is extremely dilute and that doesn't sit on top of the skin. In order for a blend to be successful in my book, one applies the cream, waits about three minutes, and washes the hands in hot water. No cream should be sitting on the skin, and yet the soft fragrance of the essential oils should still be evident. Unfortunately, the cream works so well on severe athletes foot - providing extremely rapid relief - that I haven't been able to get anyone to keep applying it long enough to see if it would eradicate the condition completely. I don't believe per se that athletes foot can be CURED via external means alone, since I believe it is symptomatic of conditions in the body which must be remedied. - Original Message - From: "brooks bradley" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: Re: CS>Athletes foot > Dear Terry, > While I have no useful address for your interesting > post.relative to your liver cleansing experience; I do have a comment > that may prove of value for athlete's foot protocols. Some years ago, > during some ad hoc evaluations of Tea Tree oil and skin-surface fungal > infections in generalwe discovered a useful adjunctive. Both the speed > and efficacy of Tea Tree oil were greatly enhanced through the application > of 50% DMSO applied over the Tea Tree oil, directly on the skin > surface.and left unbandaged (unless conditions demand a bandage > interface). > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley > - Original Message - > From: "Terry Chamberlin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:13 PM > Subject: CS>Athletes foot > > > Moving back to the subject of CS, I have been for the > last month performing an extended liver/gallbladder > cleanse. Strangely, as the cleansing proceeds, several > less-than-pleasant symptoms have popped up, among them > very bad athletes foot (or what feels and acts so). I > washed my feet and bathed them 2xday in CS, plus wore > socks that had been soaked in CS, with minimal > benefit. I'll admit, I was surprised. I expected CS to > erase the problem quickly. > > I finally applied some Tea Tree oil lotion, and the > problem was gone in one day. Interesting. > > > ___ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>To A.V.R.A. on bentonite
Dear Stephen: That is an excellent concern, one which I don't believe has been dealt with to my COMPLETE satisfaction, but one which none-the-less can be dealt with successfully despite concerns. I believe it was UCLA that performed studies on how bentonite taken internally affected the "good" bacteria count as well as the "bad" bacteria count that resides in the intenstines, and this is the only scientific model I'm aware of that even addresses sorption rates in the body at a scientific level. However, the conclusions derived from the study provide some clues as to how bentonite works in the digestive system. First and foremost, let's address the surface area of hydrated clay particles and consider the amount of clay that is ingested to achieve good results. The average gram of clay has a surface area of 400 to 800 square meters. While it is true that bentonite is incredibly dense, and the surface area of the particles is extraordinary, even 1000 grams of bentonite would not be able to sorpt even a fraction of the nutrients in one meal. Furthermore, bentonite acts against postively charged substances first and foremost. The clay will act first against radiation, then against toxic substances in the body, primarily those substances that carry a postive charge. Furthermore, once clay reaches it's limit of adsorption ,the effect is reversed, ie. the clay begins to eminate substances. In fact, I believe that there is always an exchange going on between clay and the body. Second, clay, once it is no longer in a magma state, reacts differently. It's "mass" sorption rate declines significantly, and it appears to act more as a catalyst in the body. Therefore, a clay fluid reacts very differently even upon initial consumption then a clay gel or magma. On a less scientific note, Weston Price drew the conclusion that clay increases the body's ability to adsorb nutrients. He drew this conclusion from studying cultures that used clay as a daily part of their diet. Whether in fact this is due to the cleansing and purifiying affect of clays, or a whole combination of related actions in the body, is unknown. What is certain is that beyond the digestive tract, clay does not leech valueable vitamins and minerals from the body. Of further note, Raymond Dextreit, after 50 years of clinical research in natural medicine, has found no indication that clay negatively affects the nutritional system, although it CAN interfere with drugs being taken internally. However, one can never be too careful in matters of health. In the case where an individual has severe dietary deficiencies, the way to minimize any possible consequence is to begin taking clay internally at night, before bed, when the body begins its cleansing cycle. In the average person, even clay used several times daily will not "get past" the liver for months, so any concern of an effect outside the digestive tract is actually moot. Start with a protocol of one tablespoon of clay powder in an eight ounce glass of water. With this amount of clay, even if clay were to attempt to eliminate all of the vital nutrients in the diet, it would only suceed in removing an unmeasurable amount. And yet, almost paradoxially, acting as a catalyst, even this small amount of clay will have a noticeable detoxifying effect within 72 hours. I hope these comments help! - Original Message - From: "Stephen Hessler" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: CS>To A.V.R.A. on bentonite > Hello, If I remember right you posted to me a while back on using bentonite > for some years. Have you noticed anything that would point to the bentonite > taking what nutrients (as well as the bad stuff) that your system has > therein? I have been questioned for this by someone who has some fear and > trepidation because their system has a very poor nutrient absorption factor. > TIA h...@mcmo.net > > Stephen K. Hessler, N.M.D. > HC 1 Box 175 > Centerville, MO 63633 > 573-924-2254 (usually home after 8 pm) > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>PEACE Please
I'm sorry, Marshall, I really respect you - but take this trash off this list. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You command others to think, and you have not thought this through yourself. You really ought to get out of this country, I'm ashamed to call you a fellow American. If I had my way, we'd deport people who spouted such garbage. I've been a conspiracy student for many, many years - and I don't get my information from reading websites, I get it from personally investigating. I can't stand the Bush administration, but to accuse them of being involved in the orchestration of this event - based on the information you've collected - is highly neglegent. I won't begin to describe the holes in your "architectural" "experts" arguements, because it isn't worth my time. I just don't want every casual reader thinking that the listers here are that stupid. The only thing you are selling is division, and I urge thinking and conscious beings not to buy it. PS: Terrorists profit off of terror - that is the value they seek, and the value that they always receive. - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: Re: CS>PEACE Please > That had me confused too. But I read a discussion by some architect engineers > that was talking about how the building was built so that the outside walls > were self supporting. It was a new design at that time. > > It appears that the collapse was exactly what would be expected by explosives > http://cryptome.org/wtc-collapse.htm . > > Note this quote: > > "A controlled demolition by explosives would have produced the same effect as > the actual collapse. The imploding of floors which pulls in the exterior walls > as they wall is a technique used by demolition experts to demolish buildings in > close proximity to others. " > > I am going to try to get some better looks when they replay the collapse. I > think the center might have collapsed from the bottom, and the loss of support > at the top once the center support was gone caused the outer shell to collapse > from the top down. > > Marshall > > Bill Missett wrote: > > > As much as I love a good conspiracy theory, video of the towers collapsing > > clearly shows both towers imploding from the top down, not from the bottom. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Duncan Crow > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:44 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>PEACE Please > > > > > | "There are those in the galactic councils from many worlds who are > > > | responsible for deciding whether Earthlings are ready for galactic > > > | citizenship..." > > > | > > > | What the @#*&!? Ground control to Major Tom! > > > | > > > | kuku > > > > > > "Take the blue pill and wake up believing whatever you want to believe" > > > > > > "Take the red pill and I'll show you just how deep the rabbit hole goes" > > > > > > The message to not be affected, whipped into a killing frenzy, by the > > media > > > spin on this tragic event is valid. Just try to keep an open mind. > > > > > > ciao > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/01 > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >
Re: CS contraindications?
Listers... The only cited reference that really appears interesting is the 7th in the list: 7. Levine SA, Smith JA: Argyria confused with heart disease. N Eng I Med 226:682-684,1942, p. 682. Although my guess would be that this reference is a citation for extremely high doses of silver nitrate, it would be interesting to examine the findings. As far as I've been able to determine, ALL the nasal medications that were "prescribed" were either silver proteins or silver nitrates. I don't see any obvious reference that would even remotely apply to "our" colloidal silver on this list. The very fact that both sides of the "story" are not examined equally discounts the entire Rosemary story in my view. I personally have absolutely no respect for Rosemary's position, nor Rosemary as a person. Being single-minded is one thing. Being single-minded in the the spotlight of the public, intentionally misleading people, is irresponsible and can be categorized as nothing more than pop journalism. Rosemary has even stated that proof that colloidal silver doesn't work lies in the fact that she, decades later, was diagnosed with breast cancer. The depth of ignorance knows no end! - Original Message - From: "Terry Chamberlin" > Technical Listers, > Here are citations of possible CS contraindications. > Who knows how to investigate them? > > http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose4.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Where to find 50 ppm......
Forgive me if I am being presumptious Frank, but exactly how many people are making pure particle silver solutions? I'm aware of two people. I've always been incredibly interested in particle silver research. However, I've seen no reports of efficacy, and the science I've seen ( that I've been able to understand, not being a specialist in chemistry ) has been sloppy. For example, the "scientific experiment" where ionic silver is added to saliva and silver chloride is produces disproving protein adsorption of ionic silver is borderline negligance. I think you are being extremely unfair in stating that those using ionic silver ignore the silver chloride issue. The archives prove differently. I will remind you yet again that ionic silver products HAVE received FDA approval, and there are a few companies spending an incredible amount of money learning how to deliver ionic silver successfully into the body. These same companies could far spend less money learning how to deliver particle silver into the body, yet the predominant viewpoint among silver professionals is that ionic silver is ideal if there is a guarantee that the ionic silver will reach the site of an infection. I think that by taking the stance in the manner that you do, you not only misrepresent the scientific ideals you apparently hold so highly, but also do science itself an injustice. Personally, I use a high particle concentration for external applications because silver is silver, and higher concentrations externally have proven to me ) to be more effective with no added risk. However, I'm working on a simple method that will allow ionic silver to remain ionic for extended periods of time. In cases where this method is feasible, I will then opt for a "more" ionic silver solution. The majority of the work I've seen is a futile attempt to prove that ionic silver does not work, and that particle silver is theoretically the better alternative. I've seen very little on the practical application of a pure particle silver solution in the human body and what it can or cannot do. The only thing that has stopped me from doing some clinical research on the real efficacy of ionic silver is the fact that I don't have the equipment to control ionic silver production to standards, nor do I have the funds to purchase the colloidal silver at this time for use in such an endevour. I would ask you to realize that your words have the potential to bring harm to those people new to silver. Having an extraordinary amount of respect for scientific professionals, had I met you and heard your words about ionic silver, my wife very well could be dead as the result. Fortunately, I "met" Lindeman instead. Scientific ethics were developed to preserve the value of science itself. While it is true that every person must accept personal responsibility for their choices, is it really your intention to bring possible harm to others based on what is clearly some vendetta? I have never seen a post where you describe how your colloidal silver has actually worked against any condition. Yet you criticize those who report and are working to achieve a greater understanding through practical application. I think your theoretical base for the efficacy of particle silver is excellent, and I always have. Why not simply take your particle silver solution, put it to WORK, and let the results speak for themselves? Why not focus on the IS of your own work? - Original Message - From: "Frank Key" To: "*Silver-List*" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:11 AM Subject: Re: CS>Where to find 50 ppm.. > Ivan wrote: > > > > I think most of us have reached the conclusion that colloidal > > > silver is more effective than ionic silver for killing pathogens. > > > > I think not Marshall. Surely most think that ionic silver is more effective > > in killing pathogens, or at least don't know which is more effective. > > > > Just who is the us you refer to... the same 'many' that Frank referred to a > > while ago? > > > > Ivan. > > It would seem that those producing silver solutions (all ionic silver) are the ones most inclined to: > > 1. claim ionic silver is more effective in killing pathogens. > 2. claim silver solutions are really colloids > 3. ignore that chloride combines with silver ions to form silver chloride. > > Maybe what is needed is a list devoted to silver solutions and producers thereof. > > frank key > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS not working on a leg infection
Greetings Stephen... Excellent suggestion using bentonite in the treatment. I've been researching healing clays for many years, and I have a few questions to pose: What is the purpose of the charcoal in the treatment, and do you know the origin of using charcoal? When using cayenne pepper ( something I have not done with healing clays ) do you notice an increase in tissue irritation? That's an extremely wise combination that you've put together there. I'd like to remind others who are experimenting with healing clays to be extremely cautious with additives when using bentonite and other haling clayes. When in doubt, it is wisest not to do it! I'd certainly be interested in discussing healing clays further ( perhaps off-list since it's off-topic ) Stephen... - Original Message - From: "Stephen Hessler" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:28 AM Subject: Re: CS not working on a leg infection > Hi List...I have discovered and used a combination of elements for > drawing out infections. One cancer on the nose. One prospective amputee to > which they had removed about 1/3 of the bottom of her foot and when I saw it > there was nothing but exposed bone, flesh, cartilage and it was reinfecting > with staph. She had no feeling in her feet for years and poor circulation. > Used 3 cups bentonite, 1 cup charcoal (best with 30% ash), 1 cup > diatomaceous earth, 1/4 cup 130,000mhu cayenne pepper and 4 quarts of silver > colloid to make this into a paste. In one week it had drawn out the > infection and now in about 2 months the wound is almost totally closed and a > good measure of feeling has returned to the area affected. Am now trying to > get them to apply the paste to the rest of the foot to see if it will draw > circulation and sensitivity back into the rest of the foot. Hope this > helps. h...@mcmo.net > Stephen K. Hessler, N.M.D. > HC 1 Box 175 > Centerville, MO 63633 > 573-924-2254 (usually home after 8 pm) > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS not working on a leg infection
Steve: Treating a non-healing wound in a diabetic patient is not easy. Spraying colloidal silver on it is not usually going to do the trick. Remember, the primary issue we are dealing with is lack of oxygen to the wound site. The colloidal silver might be reducing the bacterial count on the surface temporarily. Once the silver is "deactivated", the infection simply continues. There are a number of ways to approach such an infection. Most of them take a good deal of work to implement. One idea is to drink a large amount of colloidal silver several times daily. I say idea because the effectiveness of this method is in question. If enough silver can be delivered via the blood to the site, this will have an impact on the infection. More importantly, it will help reduce the chance that the infection enters the bloodstream. Brooks also recently posted a method to simulate a hyperbaric treatment by pressurizing a bag sealed over the appendage in question. This treatment forces oxygen into the tissues. To use silver externally to assist in the infection two things must be accomplished. 1) The silver must reach the "seat" of the infection and 2) the silver must maintain contact with the tissues long enough to continue to reduce the bacterial count. The wound type is important here. Is it an open gaping wound? What is the diamater of the exposed tissue? How deep is the wound? Spraying the colloidal silver on the wound, or even soaking a dressing and applying it to the wound would be largely ineffective if the wound is deep. While it is encouraging that your friend's MD recognizes the benefit of silver as an infection fighting agent, Silvadine ( Silver Sulfadiazine ) is primarily used to prevent infections on exposed tissue, such as a severe burn or a skin graft donor site. The cream is also unlikely to reach the root of a deep infection. If the infection has become septic, - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: CS not working on a leg infection > Hello List, > > A friend with diabetes has a serious leg infection. I gave him 5 PPM CS, in a spray bottle, that has some MSM in it. I gave it to him two weeks ago. I am told he is regularly spraying it on his wound, but it is not healing. Any suggestions? > > He has been referred to an infectious disease specialist but his appointment isn't until July. A lot of bad things could happen in that time. > > Oh, a new primary doctor prescribed "Silver Sulfadiazine" creme. Know anything about it? > > Thanks, > > Steve Radcliff > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Silver Cream
They are both great products, but they sit on top of the skin, and then accumulate dirt which then creates a prime environment for bacterial growth. Great products for normal skin types... But not the epitome I've been trying to reach. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: Re: CS>Silver Cream > What about coconut oil or butter? > > ~Hanan > > In a message dated 6/13/01 6:28:52 AM, colloidalsilverd...@hotmail.com writes: > > << Yes, we've used Aloe Vera with nice results but ultimately we want to use > aloe vera as an added ingredient choice and not as a base. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: G. T. > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:04 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Silver Cream > > > > A.V.R.A.- Very interesting info on the creams here- thanks...Have you tried > adding CS to aloevera gel? Innovative has one on the shelves (too > expensive) but it looked like a good idea. > > > > > Original Message Follows > > >> > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Silver Cream
Yes, we've used Aloe Vera with nice results but ultimately we want to use aloe vera as an added ingridient choice and not as a base. - Original Message - From: G. T. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: Re: CS>Silver Cream A.V.R.A.- Very interesting info on the creams here- thanks...Have you tried adding CS to aloevera gel? Innovative has one on the shelves (too expensive) but it looked like a good idea. Original Message Follows
Re: CS>Silver Cream
I should do a PH test I think I will next time I shop ( need strips ). Under normal circumstances, it is not appararent that colloidal silver is an irritant. That however, in my personal experience, is inconclusive. As long as the skin is in relatively healthy condition, the irritation is not apparent and most likely completely inconsequential. However, find someone with incredibly sensitive skin ( who cannot normally place such things as creams on, say, their face without adverse consequences ) and the signs become apparent. Infection growth becomes rapid within two hours of colloidal silver application, because the benefits of the silver are long gone and the irritation of the tissues is conducive to bacterial infection. How purely particle silver responds I do not know, except by the reports from the company that manufactures Silvadine. "Large" amounts of silver on the body in cream form over long periods of time is contra-indicated. Of course, their silver is in a compound form, and is ( if I remember from the container ) measured in grams. If one REALLY wants to see the effect of colloidal silver on sensitive skin, then one can severely dehydrate the face and then apply it. Many creams made with silver have the same effect ( partially due to the nature of the ingredients in the creams ). Although I am certainly not a chemist, I did work for quite awhile for a major US cosmetics company ( same company that manufactures Redkin products ) whereby I learned more than I ever wanted too about the real effect of skin/body cosmetics. My philosophy is that if you really want to see how a "product" works, you must test it at the extremes. A good cream, for instance, will work fine on the most sensitive skin. However, there really is NOT a good cream on the common market. Why? Because a good cream is against the law ( perhaps a slight overstatement ). In order to market a good cream, one must comply with standards, and the standards force companies to use ingredients that are not beneficial or spend a whole lot of money proving their methods work, which is certainly not justified given the level of public awareness and increased ingredient cost. The key is to 1) not drug the skin 2) not preserve the skin 3) not drench the skin. If the PH balance of the silver I'm using is "off", it's now a price I'm willing to pay for the benefit. Whatever the cause, the Biotone cream base has solved the problem. I've used things such as Aloe Vera, exotic ( and expensive ) base oils, honey, and much more, with results that were usually good but nowhere near the prime quality I've been trying to achieve. Perhaps it was a error to say that silver itself is a skin irritant. Perhaps it is more accurate to say that the process of using colloidal silver on the skin can be a skin irritant. - Original Message - From: Frank Key To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: Re: CS>Silver Cream > A.V.R.A. wrote: > > > Colloidal silver used alone is a skin irritant, although a very, > > very mild one. > > What is the pH of the colloidal silver you find is an irritant? > > We have never seen any evidence that cs is a skin irritant, quite the contrary. > > > frank key > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
CS>Silver Cream
I've been playing around with creating various silver-rich creams for about two years now. While I have found some combinations that work fairly well, I have been dissatisfied with any end result I've been able to achieve - until now. The primary problem with skin care creams is how they are adsorbed, what part of them is and is NOT adsorbed, and the actual ingredients that do get adsorbed. Most non-medical creams are only antibacterial for a very short time after application. Many marketed skin care creams actually dry the skin out, although as long as you apply the cream it appears as if the skin is well cared for. Another problem is the method of creation. Some nice creams can be made, but the process requires applying a great deal of heat to combined ingredients, something I've been trying to avoid ( so I can use high quality essential oils in the formulas ). I have designed one cream that is exceptional. However, the cost of the ingredients is astronomical. Designing a creme without mineral oil or unnatural binders is quite an interesting experience! My goal in working with colloidal silver and cream was simply to find a "healthy" cream that can be used for external applications without causing skin irritation and without clogging pores. Colloidal silver used alone is a skin irritant, although a very, very mild one. Recently, my wife came up with a great suggestion: Why not try using Biotone cream as a base? This turned out to be a fantastic suggestion. While I am as of yet uncertain how well the silver works in the cream, the cream works fantastic. Diluting the cream by adding about 50% colloidal silver ( high PPM ) by volume, one achieves a very light cream that has an incredible adsorbtion without skin irritation or buildup on the surface of the skin - ideal for facial use. Diluting it more or less simply gives the cream a different texture for different applications. One can add secondary ingredients such as very small amounts of high grade essential oils. It appears the Biotone cream does a great job in preserving their effects. Biotone cream can be purchased at any massage supply store ( most any )... There are Biotone oils and a Biotone cream available ( so be sure if your interesting in experimenting one gets the cream ). -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>What Exactly will 10 PPM Silver Nitrate Do to You?
I agree with you whole heartedly... Silver Nitrate, evidence would suggest, is handled differently by the body than other forms of silver ( judging by the reports collected by the EPA ). - Original Message - From: Frank Key To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:19 AM Subject: Re: CS>What Exactly will 10 PPM Silver Nitrate Do to You? > Roger wrote: > > > > Frank: Perhaps you could provide us with the obvious answer, assuming the CS > > brew were around 10 PPM. Surely you're not claiming that 10 PPM silver, as > > silver nitrate, is going to cause Argyria? As far as NO3 concentration is > > concerned, you'll probably get more than 10X the nitrate in a single strip of > > bacon than you'll get chugalugging a quart of a 15 PPM silver nitrate brew. > > Roger > > I doubt that 15 ppm of silver nitrate would causes Argyria, but personally, I would avoid ingesting nitrate compounds whenever possible. > > frank key > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS Questions
Greetings, Bill! You've found about the best resource available for information on colloidal silver. However, Mike is certainly correct about "peer reviewable" studies. There are very few ( that I've found ) out there. However, a little diligent research will certainly show that many companies are heavily researching silver. Browsing the website www.silverinstitute.org is a great starting place for this information, or you can gain an overview of a few particularly interesting articles @ http://silverdata.20m.com/commercial2.html Perhaps this might be a great direction to begin the approach of your writing? The question is: Why are RX companies spending millions of dollars developing hospital use ionic silver equipment if ionic silver is not effective? Why are these same companies NOT planning on marketing a colloidal silver for public use? The answers are of course very simple, and can be summed up with the post 80's corporate philosophy. It is not enough to make a profit; shareholders want to see high profit margins. The FDA is even approving colloidal silver generators that go into the body. Companies are researching patentable silver protein combinations. If you explore this angel in your opening ( of course I'm certainly not trying to tell you how to write!!! ), you can document the effectiveness of silver use from "non-questionable" sources. If you can hit on this angle, then tie it in with the theory of colloidal silver efficacy, you then may be substantiated enough to hit where it "hurts" - human interest. - Original Message - From: Bill Missett To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 6:12 AM Subject: Re: CS Questions > Dear Mike: > > Thank you for putting things in perspective. > > I can see from the "chat" (hope that wasn't offensive to the chatees) that > the forum members are not casual experimenters. > > I may opt to tap their individual expertise for story purposes, but right > now I have more angles than I can possibly cover in one article. I am > contemplating, if this all comes together the way I feel it will, to expand > this into a book as well. > > Regards, > > Bill Missett > > - Original Message - > From: M. G. Devour > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: CS Questions > > > > Greetings Mr. Missett, > > > > I won't address your specific questions, as there are others here with > > better information close at hand, but I will offer you a bit of > > overview... > > > > We havepeople here who have made some relatively well controlled > > studies of CS. Some are vendors who have their own products, while > > others are committed private experimentalists. > > > > Theirs is some of the better work you'll find on CS, but most does not > > rise to the level of refereed journal studies. Such efforts are usually > > limited to what a clever person can afford to do with modest funds. Of > > the few that can spend more, thankfully some are willing to freely > > share their results with us. > > > > One thing will quickly emerge as you listen: There is no firm consensus > > on many of the details of how CS works in the body, the best way to > > make it, what is the active component of a typical preparation, etc... > > > > What *does* emerge is that a lot of ordinary folks who are not selling > > anything, will tell you how they treated themselves with CS and the > > positive results they have achieved. > > > > CS is not a cure-all, but it is effective in a lot of situations. A > > little finnesse is required to make it well, but even the crudest > > system will produce a useable product. It costs very little to make, > > while there is even good commercially packaged CS available for well > > under a dollar an ounce -- if you know where to shop. > > > > We agree that false claims, greed, fraud, and ignorant hucksterism, by > > some vendors, and virulent "debunking" put out by the opponents of CS > > have both served to hurt its reputation. We've managed to identify > > most of the nonsense and can help folks get past it to the solid > > information that *is* available. > > > > We know, as you do, that CS is one of the alternative health options > > that works. I hope you'll get some good, solid pointers from our > > resident experts, and that you'll *also* take heed of some of the > > first-hand testimonials that our members can offer. > > > > I wish you luck in your endeavor. > > > > Be well, > > > > Mike Devour > > silver-list owner > > > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eski
Re: CS>Saliva Experiment Results
Ivan, ( You probably have a much larger audience than you realize ) You bring up a great point about the amount of colloidal silver ingested through protein binding. However, I think even these small amounts ingested via this method can prove significant over long term use, and therefore believe that the idea is still worthy of consideration. I don't believe, when speaking "in vitro", that large amounts of colloidal silver are needed IF the colloidal silver is reaching the desired location in the body. If an "infection" in the body is being managed by the immune system but not eliminated ( as is the case with many infections, else one would not live very long ) then a one percent increase in the elimination of the infection can very well "turn the tide". Of course, this IS simplified. I believe there is a VERY significant difference in how colloidal silver works in a test tube, when placed ON the body, and when used IN the body. I am convinced that SOMETHING must be occuring that we haven't isolated yet. Even if colloidal silver is adsorbed through the upper intestinal tract, Frank et al is correct in questioning how colloidal silver retains its effectiveness once hitting the blood stream ( of course their is the ammonia hypothesis, which I really need to explore further to achieve a full understanding ). I know that if the stomach is not producing stomach acids, that the effectiveness of colloidal silver ingested is greatly improved ( as in the case when someone has not ingested foods for a long period of time ). However, this does not alone explain an increase in efficacy. Where else can colloidal silver "bind" with these protein chains? I know that on this list, side effect reports are scarce ( it is the nature of this list ). However, in the short time my website has been up, I've received a few correspondences ( and eventually anticipate more ) that are quite interesting. Of course, I strongly encourage people to speak up about any interesting effects. In particular, one individual started using a few SPRAYS per day in the mouth, and shortly thereafter discovered that using any brand of blond hair dye turned her hair orange. Upon stopping use for about a month, the hair dye's effect returned to the expected norm. This was from less than a teaspoon of colloidal silver use per day. Of course, there are valid questions about the type of colloidal silver, ect. If we start with the assumption that the information reported was accurate, then it is clear that a very strong metabolic effect was induced through the colloidal silver use ( obviously, the colloidal silver itself did not cause this condition ). I certainly haven't been able to reproduce such an effect. Wouldn't it be relatively easy to create these protein chains which preserve the ionic silver? - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:22 AM Subject: RE: CS>Saliva Experiment Results > Stuart, Frank, Bob, > > I do not think that the idea that there can be a protective effect by the > binding of proteins to silver ions is valid. There may be some sublingual > absorption of silver, given that the silver binds to transport proteins, but > the amount of saliva is small, and the concentration of proteins whilst > large in variants is small in concentration...less than 1% of plasma. > Therefore most of the silver will progress to the stomach, and we have been > here before! > > It is obvious to my mind, that silver ions are absorbed in the upper > intestine (by methods including those mentioned by Stuart) and follow the > same route as other ions such as copper and calcium. When they cross the > basal membrane of the intestinal lumen and emerge in the plasma most will be > attached to proteins such as albumin and metallothionine, and are available > to interact with molecules which are attractive enough to relieve the > proteins of its cargo (so to speak). This might include groups found on the > cells walls of pathogens. Otherwise the are transported throughout the body > and ultimately excreted. > > The fact that silver ions complex with chloride is neither here nor there in > my opinion, and while finding the exact method of absorption is a > stimulating pursuit ;-) the outcome will not be changed by it. > > By the way, Stuart, I looked at the information given at the link you > supplied (http://www.health2us.com/transport.htm), and found a paragraph > written by me on another list is quoted word for word (twice! with no > reference), and I thought no one was listening. > > Regards > Ivan. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2001 10:52 > > To: Silver List > > Subject: CS>Saliva Experiment Results > > > > > > While not a rigorous scientific experiment, this simple experiment was > > devised to test the theory that saliva contains proteins that will > > prevent the silver ions in colloidal silver from combining wit
Re: CS>ionic vs particulate CS
This suggested experiment is not scientific, and would be largely a waste of time. Of course not ALL the ionic silver is going to be protected by the proteins in the saliva. Of course one is going to get silver chloride. I certainly hope not all of one's scientific work is done in this manner. - Original Message - From: Frank Key To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:44 PM Subject: Re: CS>ionic vs particulate CS > Bob wrote: > > > As pointed out our saliva contains over 200 different protiens that will > > capture the silver ions if given a chance. > > > > Therefore it would be prudent to work up a reasonable amount of salivia > > before placing a tablespoon or more of CS in the mouth. As has been > > mentioned many posts ago the the CS should be swished around in the > > mouth for 30 to 60 seconds before swallowing it. This time frame would > > allow the formation of the metalloprotiens that Stuart mentioned. > > > > By so doing one could expect the CS to enter the blood stream through > > the liningsof the mouth as well as the stomach. > > If this is true, then by taking a mouthfull of cs and mixing it with saliva > and then placing the mixture into a beaker instead of swallowing it, one could > add a drop of hydrochloric acid (or salt) to see if the silver chloride > precipitates out as a white cloud. According to the theory being proposed > above, the silver ions will be protected by being encapsulated by proteins, > and thus not combine with the chloride. > > I propose that many list readers try this small experiment and report the > results to the list. > > If silver chloride forms, that would mean that the existence of protein in > salivia does not keep the silver ions from interacting with chloride. > > I will report the results of such an experiment conducted here. > > > frank key > > > frank key > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Athlete's Feet
Craig: Bentonite is not known for its ability to eliminate fungal conditions. However, that said, many secondary problems associated with irritated atheletes foot often occur. These, bentonite handles well, and handles quickly. Coincidently, a recent "non-standard" treatment was done on an individual, diabetic, with several small infections that had been progressing for several weeks. Finally, the individual was in enough pain to where it interfered with the ability to sleep. An overnight treatment was done. All pain was removed within five minutes of application. Two superficial infections were completely eliminated. One deep infection was pulled to the surface ( the infection was under the skin ). Healing of the tissues in question has improved drastically ( as apposed to worsening ). The infection that lay beneath the surface of the skin is now visible as a surface fungal infection. It is being watched as a learning process without further intervention. Pain resumed about midway through the next day, primarily due to the dry skin that often accompanies severe athletes foot. One can make a light ointment or cream out of colloidal silver ( or at least, take one's favorite good cream, and add CS ). The infection sites on the surface of the skin remain infection free. The small infection that is visible in the photos ( see below ) was actually deep enough to call for direct formation of granular tissue ( it is hard to tell the depth of the injury in the photos ). Because of the nature of the tissues themselves, any solution will take some time of continual repeated treatment. The photos ( and commentary )of this treatment can be seen at: http://www20.brinkster.com/eytonsearth/forum One must either login to the forum as guest, guest, or sign up for a user name. The photos are in the "photos" section. The bentonite was prepared with a combination of natural hotsprings water which was partially dried then re-hydrated with colloidal silver. A small amount of Eucalyptus ( pure ) essential oil was added as well. - Original Message - From: Craig Spaulding To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: CS>Athlete's Feet > I have 2 sons who both have something like athlete's feet that is quite > severe. The skin is coming off in layers and it is painful. One has had it > for quite a while. After reading the list for the last couple of months, I > was thinking of mixing some CS with Bentonite and having them put it on > each evening. I suppose taking CS internally might also help. > > Is there anything else that might help? i had also thought of having them > put peroxide on before the clay pack. Also had thought of putting on some > MSM externally after the clay came off and possibly internally. > > Thanks, > > Craig > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>About the kak worm problem...
Greetings all... I went ahead and downloaded the patch itself, as well as two small dos based programs that "repair the damage" - two programs, because there are currently two versions of the worm. To download all three files, simply click here: http://silverdata.20m.com/kak/ This will open a directory, where you can choose 1) to download all three files in zip format ( kakpatch&repair.zip) 2) to download only the patch (Outlook_Express_Q240308i.exe) 3) either of the fix files ( or both ). To use the Outlook express patch, simply download the file and double click on it. To use the fix files, download and double click on the file, then select "remove" from the popup dialog box that appears. It will tell you that either the "damage" was repaired or your computer was not found to be currently infected. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: CS>About the kak worm problem... > Hi all, > > Please don't despair. I'm actively working on adding a filter to the > list software which should "break" the kakworm and similar embedded > script based e-pathogens. > > Since I can see no legitimate reason for anyone to be sending an > embedded script of any kind, I'm just going to try to strip them out of > the messages altogether. I figure everything between and > can just *go*. > > Inevitably, I expect that any tampering I do to the HTML code of the > messages may break something for some people who are trying to read > them, so I ask you all to bear with me during the debugging process. > > Anyone with unix, procmail, sed, or smartlist experience is welcome to > step forward and lend a hand > > The ideal would be to strip *all* HTML out of the messages and just > post the text, but that seems to be a rather large software project, > requiring all sorts of detailed understanding of the present state of > web standards *and* the proprietary violations^H^H^H extensions of > those standards by certain companies whose initials are MS... > > In the meantime, if anyone can re-post instructions for filling the > gaping security holes in Outlook Express that would be a *great* help. > > Be well, > > Mike Devour > silver-list owner > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>interesting followup on elderly client
The secondary infection, to my knowledge, usually only developes if the cream is used constantly for more than one month. - Original Message - From: G. T. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: Re: CS>interesting followup on elderly client Thanks for responding- no, the doctor only gave oral instructions to apply it to the wound. I hope she doesn't get the secondary infection you described below. Original Message Follows From: "A.V.R.A" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: Re: CS>interesting followup on elderly client Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:21:20 -0600 Thank you for the update... The silver creme is most likely Silver Sulfadiazine. I hope this doctor included some instructions. Silvadine is not indicated for prolonged use, and can cause a secondary fungal infection ( which ideally is only a minor infection that will clear up after use has stopped ). Silvadine is excellent stuff ( a silver compound in a cream base ), usually only prescribed for things like severe burns, skin graft donor sites, ect. Doctors normally don't use it as a sole infection fighting agent. It would be interesting to see how well it does ( not likely as good as ionic silver ). - Original Message - From: G. T. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 2:44 AM Subject: CS>interesting followup on elderly client Update on elderly client (infected wounds on leg) : Saw her tonight and she had been to her doctor's office today, but her usual doctor was out, and a young doctor was in her place who gave her a sample of "silver creme". It was white and in a small plastic tub with a handwritten "silver creme" label on it- no product name, no distributor, no doctor's name, nuthin'.Just "silver creme"...she told my client that it had silver in it. Looks like certain members of the medical community are coming around. I bought her some c.s. anyway, but she's afraid to take it internally, and I decided against a holy crusade for now...looks like her new young doctor is taking care of thatHappy ending. Yay! -- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>interesting followup on elderly client
Thank you for the update... The silver creme is most likely Silver Sulfadiazine. I hope this doctor included some instructions. Silvadine is not indicated for prolonged use, and can cause a secondary fungal infection ( which ideally is only a minor infection that will clear up after use has stopped ). Silvadine is excellent stuff ( a silver compound in a cream base ), usually only prescribed for things like severe burns, skin graft donor sites, ect. Doctors normally don't use it as a sole infection fighting agent. It would be interesting to see how well it does ( not likely as good as ionic silver ). - Original Message - From: G. T. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 2:44 AM Subject: CS>interesting followup on elderly client Update on elderly client (infected wounds on leg) : Saw her tonight and she had been to her doctor's office today, but her usual doctor was out, and a young doctor was in her place who gave her a sample of "silver creme". It was white and in a small plastic tub with a handwritten "silver creme" label on it- no product name, no distributor, no doctor's name, nuthin'.Just "silver creme"...she told my client that it had silver in it. Looks like certain members of the medical community are coming around. I bought her some c.s. anyway, but she's afraid to take it internally, and I decided against a holy crusade for now...looks like her new young doctor is taking care of thatHappy ending. Yay!
Re: CS>Flesh eating bacteria
Thank you for reporting your own personal experience, Stephen. I am most glad your son recovered! PS: You have the Kak virus - Original Message - From: Stephen K. Hessler, NMD To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: Re: CS>Flesh eating bacteria Hello, AVRA and silver list...Had a son which got his legs broken/crushed clear to the bone in a very dirty wound. While in the hosp. I took him silver colloid which looked like grape juice at the rate of two quarts a day during a pseudomonas infection and other ramifications. He said that he would drink the colloid and the wound which was left open for debridement would soon begin running and soaked the bed evidently washing the leg from the inside out. They wouldn't let us dress the wound. Got rid of the infection and with Divine intervention/help he is out of the hosp and still has both legs. h...@mcmo.net
Re: CS>Flesh eating bacteria
H2O2 might work well on such wounds except for one problem... When you are dealing with such a condition, the infection runs through the tissues. The H2O2, and even colloidal silver might do well on the surface, but will not touch the deeper infection. It's the deeper infection that will kill you. Theoretically, if you are able to surgically remove all of the infectious tissues so that one can apply colloidal silver and/or H2O2 to the remaining tissue, it might be effective. I have some personal experience with flesh eating bacteria. It is not a pretty condition. By the grace of Divine Intervention and probably a set of very unique circumstances, the infection was handled successfully. The individual is the only one ever recorded to have survived ( so far ) a flesh eating bacterial infection in the deep abdominal region ( this the surgeon and lawyers told us ). To top it off, the infection was a hospital-only strain. One's best bet is to FLOOD the body with colloidal silver used internally. In the above case, the one lucky circumstance was the fact that the individual had not taken any substances in the stomach for about thirty days - therefore, the stomach had stopped producing acid. I can only attribute recovery to the colloidal silver taken internally, because the medical staff had long since stopped IV antibiotics due to the fact that they had no effect. I believe the colloidal silver was far more effective than would normally be due to the stomach's lack of acid. One cannot amputate the abdomen - the choice was either recover or die. Infections such as these become septic very rapidly. One will notice that the standard choice these days to treat such infections is simply to briefly try to see if the infection can be controlled, and if not, rapidly amputate the area if possible. If you or a loved one finds oneself in a position of developing a flesh eating bacterial condition and in the hospital, you need to be pre-educated and assertive. Not every hospital doctor will know the best protocols to follow right off the bat. If the infection is in an area of the body that is not amputatable, you need to strongly suggest that blood transfusions be prepared ( in some cases, as in rare blood types, this can take a bit of time ). You might strongly consider Trovan as the first antibiotic choice, followed closely by the "Gorilla Three" ( instead of vice versa - hopefully, Trovan has been on the market long enough for most hospital MD's to have experience with it ). One might get lucky, and get a fast response from the Trovan ( hospital derived infections are developing a strong resistance to the "Gorilla Three" antibiotic protocol ). You need to get alot of colloidal silver into the body, and I'd strongly suggest you not tell the medical staff you are doing so. One probably would not be able to convince the medical staff to put the individual on oxygen, but if one is able to do so, this can be beneficial. Usually, they wait until the oxygen count in the blood drops - which is often too late. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: Re: CS>Flesh eating bacteria I read somewhere that H2O2 is extremely effective against this bacteria. CS is probably as well, but H2O2 is instantous in stopping it from a report I read some time back. Unfortunately hospitals will not use it, but instead fill you with expensive drugs which have limited or no effectiveness. H2O2 is too cheap to be an acceptable protocol. :< Marshall itssu...@aol.com wrote: This is the 4th or 5th case of flesh eating bacteria in this area in a short time. Would CS, the hyperbaric system described by Brooks, or anything else we have talked about, have worked for this guy? He is the dad of a friend. suzy http://www.dmregister.com/news/stories/c4788996/14655842.html Flesh-eating disease attacks Urbandale man A sudden attack of "flesh-eating disease" leads to amputation. By KATE KOMPAS Register Staff Writer 05/11/2001Joseph Rogers of Urbandale got out of bed about 6 a.m. on April 21 and couldn't feel his toes.Doctors removed his leg before noon.Rogers, 76, fell victim to necrotizing fasciitis, commonly known as the "flesh-eating disease."The disease is caused by a variation of the bacteria that causes strep throat and is as rare as it is deadly. The bacteria typically enter the body through a wound and immediately begin to devour muscle and fat. It can progress at a speed of three centimeters an hour, doctors say.The Centers for Disease Control reports there are fewer than 2,000 people infected in the United States each year. About 100 of them will die. Experts say the chance of contracting necrotizing fasciitis from another person is near nonexistent."I've got a dis
Re: CS>elderly client
That's about the most simple and effecient Rosemary rebuttal I've seen, Marshall! Rosemary is a victim of her own ignorance and anger. In my opinion, neither is excusable. However, she certainly has a right to her opinion. There are no cases of Argyria that I have found that can be attributed to colloidal silver as it is made today. Silver Nitrate, indeed, is the most likely cause of Rosemary's predicament. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:58 PM Subject: Re: CS>elderly client > Basically because Rosemary was not taking CS but was taking a silver > compound, probably silver nitrate. CS does not cause argyria, silver > nitrate does. > > It makes about as much sense a someone claiming that the air or carbon > are poisonous because cyanide is carbon and nitrogen. > > Marshall > > D&WMcPhail wrote: > > > Hello - I'm Wendy and am new to this list. We have been using CS for > > a few years now and it has changed our lives. What I would like to > > know or ask here is about the Website on Rosemary Jacobs - the woman > > who claims to have argryria from colloidal silver. Just with common > > sense, in thinking it through - it doesn't make sense to me - with so > > many who have used colloidal silver in the last 100 years - and I'm > > sure the particles were not THAT small back then ??? Why do we not > > hear of a lot of other cases besides Rosemary's??? And of course, > > whenever you speak of colloidal silver on a elist - or whatever - > > there is ALWAYS the conscientious objector (to CS) using Rosemary > > Jacobs' picture and story there (!). would appreciate any further > > info. Nice to meet you allwendy > > > > -Original Message- > > From: itssu...@aol.com > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Date: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:50 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>elderly client > > Brooks, THANK YOU for posting this. It is fascinating, and > > yet so simple. > > Will be following every word on this, to understand just how > > it is done. We > > have several cases of the flesh eating bacteria in our area, > > and it never > > hurts to be prepared. In addition to CS, this might make a > > difference. suzy > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Gage, > > >Almost without exception, cases of this type (most > > > especially in > > > the elderly) involve some form of veinous stasis or > > > similar > > > circulatory insufficiency. We conducted some rather > > > extensive evaluations > > > of lower extremity circulation > > > experimentations/evaluations during > > > 1999-2000...almost exclusively on geriatric group > > > volunteers. In the > > > most serious challenges, multiple protocols were > > > requiredespecially > > > hyperbaric-type environmental modifications. One, very > > > simple, technique > > > involved the utilization of clear plastic "garbage > > > bags". The entire > > > lower legup to the kneewas encased in the bag and > > > suitable taping > > > or pressure was applied to the top edges to maintain a > > > very low---or > > > NO---pressure loss. Using a small plastic tube, 02 was > > > used to inflate the > > > bag to its full capacity (high pressures WERE NOT > > > required for acceptable > > > results). We found that 20 to 30 minute applications, > > > executed > > > approximately every 4 hours during the day period were (in > > > a majority of > > > cases) sufficient to MAKE THE DIFFERENCE between complete > > > > > > remission.and "control". > > >This modality proved to be very economical, > > > simple, and is > > > certainly within the reach of even the most "financially > > > stressed" > > > experimenter. > > >For a more complete explanation of the > > > "exactly" how we > > > conducted these evaluations..contact me "off-list". > > >I must go now. > > > Sincerely, Brooks > > > Bradley. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>(OT) Hacked - credit info stolen
Having AOL internet service is just a disaster waiting to happen... - Original Message - From: itssu...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:44 PM Subject: Re: CS>(OT) Hacked - credit info stolen Had a young friend here earlier today, whose financial account information is making it around the internet. Charges were made to her checking account from a company in the UK (looks like a porno place or cheap dating service type of deal - matchclick.com). The charges appeared yesterday. She has been offline for the past several weeks, due to moving and a computer problem. The only place this information was used was at AOL, for account service. We talked to the local PD, and discovered that they are getting lots of cases. Might not hurt to check your checking account or credit cards for unauthorized charges or withdrawals. suzy
Re: CS>unsubscribe
It's the kak virus... - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: CS>unsubscribe > I have received 5 messages from momseverson. > All of them the same, no text > What is this? > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>elderly client
Dear Brooks et al: Your findings are excellent! Thank you for sharing this simple protocol... Two years ago I got in a severe fight ( not really a fight fight ) with a talented and highly respected surgeon over just this issue. He kept screaming back at me ( I was trying to help save a life - the individual was critically hospitalized with just such an infection and dying, I was trying to get the individual into a hyperbaric chamber ) "There just isn't enough evidence to warrant it!" over and over again. At the time I thought he was being very stubborn and closed-minded - every single alternative had been attempted with dismal failure. However, in retrospect, I realized that he didn't want to spell the truth out: That critical care hyperbaric chamber treatments are expensive and often not covered by insurance - he had felt as powerless as I. It is excellent to know that minor modifications in such environmental conditions can make a difference! Dear Gage, Almost without exception, cases of this type (most especially in the elderly) involve some form of veinous stasis or similar circulatory insufficiency. We conducted some rather extensive evaluations of lower extremity circulation experimentations/evaluations during 1999-2000...almost exclusively on geriatric group volunteers. In the most serious challenges, multiple protocols were requiredespecially hyperbaric-type environmental modifications. One, very simple, technique involved the utilization of clear plastic "garbage bags". The entire lower legup to the kneewas encased in the bag and suitable taping or pressure was applied to the top edges to maintain a very low---or NO---pressure loss. Using a small plastic tube, 02 was used to inflate the bag to its full capacity (high pressures WERE NOT required for acceptable results). We found that 20 to 30 minute applications, executed approximately every 4 hours during the day period were (in a majority of cases) sufficient to MAKE THE DIFFERENCE between complete remission.and "control". This modality proved to be very economical, simple, and is certainly within the reach of even the most "financially stressed" experimenter. For a more complete explanation of the "exactly" how we conducted these evaluations..contact me "off-list". I must go now. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Gage Tarrant wrote: Hello, I have a question about commercial CS & need some advice on strength for a client of mine. She is 79 years old and has infected leg wounds on her very fragile skin that are just simply not clearing up. Her doctors are doing all kinds of things, including prescribing antibiotics ( which, of course, wipe her out) , and I know that CS would clear this up rather quickly. She has had these 3" open wounds for a month now, so I'm going to butt in and get her some CS. My question is about strength: I've seen and used some CS by "Innovative' that is dark brown and claims to be 500 ppm. I bought a small bottle to try it out and it did indeed clear up the insect bites I applied it to on myself overnight. Is this a good strength, or is higher ppm unnecessary and a myth? I hear about you guys doing wonders with 5 ppm and I'd just like to hear some history of higher ppm use. Thanks. Gage
Re: CS>elderly client
Gage: About the highest ( estimated ) strength CS I've used is 50ppm. I don't think sludge is necessary. Wounds that refuse to heal are "a different kind of animal". I'm not certain if this is an open wound, or how deep it is, but the key here is to take a soaked dressing, apply it to the entire wound, and keep it saturated with CS. Especially if it is a deep wound, don't let this dressing dry! Alternately, a rather thin cylinderal container that will completely cover the wound with about 1/6" diameter "left over" can be filled, to the absolute rim ( this is important ), and applied with light pressure. The idea here, of course, is to be sure the container itself is not touching any damaged tissue. It must be filled virtually to the point of overflowing, with no air at all in the container once it is applied. What one is after here is increased forced adsorption of the CS. ( hmm 3 inches in diameter? might not be feasible ) For external use, I've always been of the mind that a higher PPM solution might be more effective. However, somewhere one must reach a balance - one doesn't want such a strong solution that one is left without ions. If these wounds are a byproduct of a diabetic condition, or low oxygen content in the bloodstream, than patience will certainly be called for. It is also wise to start using the colloidal silver internally as well. The type, depth of the wound, and the state of the diseased tissue, are variables that help determine how long a single application should be sustained. I'm operating almost off of the assumption here that these wounds are open. A dressing will need to be changed relatively often if the wound drains. One wants to avoid having the dressing adhere to tissues. This can be avoided by prompt dressing changes, and keeping the dressing itself moist. The idea here, at any rate, is that simply spraying colloidal silver every once in awhile is not likely to do the trick. - Original Message - From: Gage Tarrant To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:44 AM Subject: CS>elderly client Hello, I have a question about commercial CS & need some advice on strength for a client of mine. She is 79 years old and has infected leg wounds on her very fragile skin that are just simply not clearing up. Her doctors are doing all kinds of things, including prescribing antibiotics ( which, of course, wipe her out) , and I know that CS would clear this up rather quickly. She has had these 3" open wounds for a month now, so I'm going to butt in and get her some CS. My question is about strength: I've seen and used some CS by "Innovative' that is dark brown and claims to be 500 ppm. I bought a small bottle to try it out and it did indeed clear up the insect bites I applied it to on myself overnight. Is this a good strength, or is higher ppm unnecessary and a myth? I hear about you guys doing wonders with 5 ppm and I'd just like to hear some history of higher ppm use. Thanks. Gage
CS>Kak Patch
Greetings all! After so many recent "outbreaks" of the kak worm virus, I went to Microsoft's website and found the Patch, which "patches" outlook express... http://www.microsoft.com/technet/ie/tools/scrpteye.asp If one receives the kak in email, it will still show up as a virus. However, the virus will not be able to actually execute.
Re: CS>Biologic Transport of Silver Ions!
Tell you what Stuart, you just made my entire week. Probably the entire month! I have long dismissed the idea that at least some silver ions were not reaching parts of the body, although my intellectual side has constantly nagged for a more concrete theory as to how this might occur. Now, I have many new ideas to explore! Thanks! - Original Message - From: gaia research To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:35 PM Subject: CS>Biologic Transport of Silver Ions! Dear List members I have been a bit out of it lately, so please excuse me if this is already water undr the bridge. The following relates to Frank Keys claim that ionic silver does not survive to enter the body due to chloride compounding. I do not recall the metalloprotein counter-arguement being raised. If not, any comments, especially from Frank, and if its already been dealt with, please advise as to when. The summary and URL follow: "In order to move mineral ions about your body, for delivery to the area where needed, your body uses proteins to envelope the ions and render them inactive, until they are delivered to the cell or area needing them. Numerous essential biological functions require metal ions, and most of these metal ion functions involve metalloproteins. One-third of all proteins are "metalloproteins", chemical combinations of protein atoms (carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, sulfur) with ions of metals such as iron, calcium, copper, zinc, etc. If this were not the case, few minerals would remain useable by your body, including essentials like calcium, iron, etc. as they would join other free ions and in many cases make insoluable salts (no bio-availability). Your saliva has over 200 different proteins and thus they can capture metallic ions before they get near the stomach acid! Also, silver ions are so small they can be absorbed sublingually, thru your skin, to directly enter the blood stream, with the help of proteins." http://www.health2us.com/transport.htm Regards Stuart
Re: CS>Fw: Dr. Jon's Colloidal Silver
Oh I'd love to film an actual movie... Swartzenager and Stallone... "da silva - ya dwink it, o you soak the eyelid afta one of those hod right hooks, ya know?" response "grr.. I dooon't theeenk so. You se it by soaakeeen it in da gun powda. It keels de vmpeers." The idea of actual video footage has reached numerous snags. Primarily, webhosts don't much care for these large files. When THEY don't mind, they want the whole site hosted through them, which I don't want to do. However, when I have enough data and information available, I will probably put together a CD package, at cost +$10.00/hr for packaging labor time ( which breaks down to about 15 minutes of labor per CD package ). I can get 1.5 hours out of a standard pc in high quality video plus include about 30 megs of data. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:23 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: Dr. Jon's Colloidal Silver > On Wed, 9 May 2001 09:34:33 -0600, "A.V.R.A" > wrote: > > >As far as step by step instructions to make a current limited device, I plan > >on beginning filming in mid-june. > > Oh my God, There's gonna be a movie? > I hope it's Swartzenager! I love his one-liners > Chuck > > Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>bentonite (OT)
Check the datasheet your supplier should have, Craig... If it's pure bentonite without additives, it CAN be used. Keep in mind, however, that it is neither purified or certified for internal use. I can only speak with certainly regarding American Colloid's bentonite, having spent quite some time on the phone with them. Many people use such clays internally and report good results. - Original Message - From: Craig Spaulding To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:51 AM Subject: Re: CS>bentonite (OT) I am a potter and bentonite is a common ingrediate used in making clay bodies for pottery. It is fairly easy to get in 1 lb, 10 lb, 25 lb , 50 lb etc bags. Would the quality of it be such that it could be used internally? Craig
Re: CS>Fw: Dr. Jon's Colloidal Silver
Greetings, Beverle ( thanks for your thoughts! ): Dr. Jon has no such excuse. Over the last few years, I have emailed him personally on several occasions. First, when he was claiming there was no benefit in colloidal silver use. THEN, when he discovered this mysterious magical process. I pointed him in excellent directions. I respect Dr. Jon for actually doing the research, and drawing true conclusions. That, in my opinion, is the mark of a good researcher - despite pre-conceived ideas, demonstration of fact through experimentation resulted in a change of perception. However, I still consider Dr. Jon's editorials to be poor journalism. Does Dr. Jon pause and wonder on the ramifications of his actions? Evidently not. Apparently, he enjoys writing these up and down swing editorials. In fact, it's the oldest method in the world for pop journalism. If Dr. Jon really wanted to do his audience justice, he'd take the time to fully research an item - by listening carefully to those with years or decades of experience - before writing his articles. Personally, I didn't have much to say at all about colloidal silver during 1.5 years of experience off-list, until I felt that my grasp on the subject matter warranted it. And I recieved this "grasp" by listening carefully to those whom so graciously have been willing to take the time to share it! Caring takes time - isn't that one of its hallmarks? For the newcomers, one never has to be intimidated about asking questions! As far as step by step instructions to make a current limited device, I plan on beginning filming in mid-june. The format will be similiar to the basic generator tutorial that can be found here ( the 9 volt battery method ): http://silverdata.20m.com/basicgenerator.html - Original Message - From: Beverle Sweitzer To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:42 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: Dr. Jon's Colloidal Silver and Blind Pigs 5-8-01 > I, as a total novice, need to step in here. I was thrilled when I got the > email yesterday about Dr. Jon's "discovery". I haven't had time to read the > archives - and who knows where to look for what you don't know? Additional > information is also appreciated. This is a very "deep" list and many are > put off by the technical information. Not having a background leaves one > with no place to begin. I realize that I am kind of rambling, but it made > me feel even more stupid because I had been so excited with the step by step > instructions. One time an old gardener said to me that he had forgotten > more than I would ever learn. I thought he was being arrogant but I now > know what he meant. Many of you know so very much that you have forgotten > what it was like to be ignorant. It doesn't matter to me whether Jon > invented or discovered it. I like the idea of being able to build a unit > that will make more than 6 oz. at a time. You can all be very proud of your > extensive knowledge, but please remember that there are many out here that > do not possess it and may never be able to catch up. > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>bentonite (OT)
eat deal of experience or at least extensive knowledge of the deposit itself. - Original Message - From: itssu...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 12:06 AM Subject: Re: CS>bentonite (OT) Tracy, this does sound intriguing! We have a lot of various clays in our are, and I am also wondering about the texture, and in knowing which clay might be comparable. suzy A.V.R.A. Can you tell us please how to make out own bnetonite? Which source do you recommend. I am sorry if this might sound odd, but I sent you mail to a friend who uses bentonite, as she has become intrigued since reading your post. She asked me to ask you how to make your own B? Does this make sense? Thanks Tracy
Re: CS>bentonite (OT)
Tracy et al:
I think I've pushed the tolerance levels to the extreme here for off topic
posting... I will certainly answer your questions through private email.
- Original Message -
From: Nick Grant
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: CS>bentonite (OT)
A.V.R.A.
Can you tell us please how to make out own bnetonite? Which source do you
recommend. I am sorry if this might sound odd, but I sent you mail to a friend
who uses bentonite, as she has become intrigued since reading your post. She
asked me to ask you how to make your own B? Does this make sense?
Thanks
Tracy
- Original Message -
From: A.V.R.A
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2001 08:07
Subject: Re: CS>bentonite (OT)
Via sorption, the clay holds the substances to it's own surface, and
carries it out of the body - that is why it is often effective at curtailing a
herx effect. The body's immune system/elimination system does not then have to
deal with the substance, and bentonite is inert unless it's acting on organs.
When it does act on organs, the action is a detoxification.
Dr. Christopher at one time, in order to answer questions about the
possibility of aluminum contamination from bentonite, ingested fairly large
amounts of bentonite over a period of time, and then had blood work/hair
analysis done. Not only was there no aluminum, but ZERO other heavy metals as
well.
Of course, under certain circumstances the clays action is reversed. If a
clay becomes over-contaminated with substances, it "eminates them" ( for lack
of a better word ). This effect can be harnessed in natural medicine as well.
The caution is that one does not want to be exposed to a bentonite that has
been heavily contaminated with undesireable substances.
- Original Message -
From: itssu...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: CS>bentonite (OT)
If the bentonite absorbs whatever it pulls from the body, would there be
any
problems with its disposal? suzy
Tracy:
I'm certainly glad you've experienced good results with your candida
protocol!
To keep bentonite pricing in perspective, the reseller cost of bulk USP
bentonite from a full production quarry is about $200.00 for 50 lb.
bag. In
powder form, this would make hundreds of gallons of the similiar
substances
that Sonne, Yerba, and others market. The speciality companies,
however,
usually feel ( at least in their own minds! ) that their clays are
particularly suitable for internal detoxification. Some of them
certainly
have valid points to consider - however, I should mention that we've
received good results from American Colloids 35 mesh industrial
bentonite as
well, which sells from between $15.00 - 25.00 per 50 lb bag.
The type of bentonite one decides to use is largely a personal
decision.
USP processed clay is almost a compromise between a natural clay,
completely
unprocessed ( by far the most potent ) and FDA grade clay ( used in
things
like Pepto Bismol ).
I personally like V. E. Irons brand USP grade clay - I've followed
their
pioneering work in the supplement industry for quite some time, and
have a
great respect them.
To give you an idea of the potency of the substance we're talking about
here, I'd like to relate a very true story on how healing clays, when
used
properly, can be ONE thing a wise individual does not want to do
without:
Back in the mid-eighties, a young gentleman, motor cycle racing
enthusiast,
had a fairly severe accident in a race. He was rushed to the hospital
with
a leg partially torn to shreds. In short order he developed an
infection
which turned gangrene, and as time passed, the infection began to
spread and
worsen.
One night, the doctor in charge of the case made the decision that the
leg
needed to be removed, and scheduled surgery for the next morning.
Meanwhile, the gentleman's father finally arrived from out of town.
The
father, that same evening ( upon seeing the condition of the leg and
hearing
of the doctor's decision ), picked his son up and stole him away from
the
hospital ( didn't even check him out! ). They drove about 1/2 way
across
the country to the west coast, where a particular noteworthy bentonite
deposit which the father was familiar with was located.
He took his son to some "oldtimers" who had long been familiar with
clay
healing. They proc
Re: CS>bentonite (OT)
Greetings Jules: For interesting information on the natural treatement of fibroids, please reference the following URL: http://www.natmedpro.com/nmp/Uterfibr.htm You'll notice that the authors suggest a hair analysis/lab work for heavy metal toxicity. SYMPTOMS of fibroids could very well respond favorably to external clay treatments. Although, sadly, I have no personal experience to draw from, there is certainly nothing to lose from trying. You would most likely know within 48 to 72 hours. I've seen internal cancers eliminated in short order, as well as cysts and skin cancers that hardly respond at all. A clay magma is pre-prepared, usually by mixing about four parts water with one part bentonite. Store the clay in glass container if possible ( we use 20 gallon glass containers ). The ideal mixture should bounce when one taps the container ( by holding the container in one and hand, and tapping it with the other or at least placing one hand on the other side of the container and tapping it ). It can take 72 hours for the mixture to "set" to get this effect. Take a clean, non-reactive dressing ( or t-shirt, folded sheet, etc. ) that is large enough to cover the area to be treated plus about an inch on each side. Treatment areas when dealing with internal organ healing, etc. are quite often about eight square inches. One can first add the clay to the body, but it is often easier to eyeball the treatment area, and place 3/4" inches of clay uniformly on the dressing itself ( careful not to over-compact the clay upon application ). Then apply the dressing with the clay on it over the treatment area. The idea is that the dressing covers the clay entirely with a little bit of slack left over. The clay MUST be covered. Be forewarned of POSSIBLE reactions, which may or may not manifest about twelve minutes into treatment: A spiking pain, often described "lightening like" that either shoots into the chest or through the feet. This is nothing to be concerned about ( it can be very surprising to the unaware individual who experiences it ) and indeed is every indication that fantastic results will be experienced. Severe chills throughout the body: This is an indication that the clay pack should be removed immediately. Wait 24 to 48 hours and continue. Increase in pain localized to the region being treated: If this occurs, one is BEST advised to continue with treatments, daily, until this stops occuring, usually within 72 hours. What is most likely occuring is that cancerous tissues are expanding - a needed step in such treatments. In these cases, any cancerous tissue that actually responds in this manner certainly not all forms by any means ) will be completely eliminated. The first treatment should last 30 minutes, unless the feeling described is one of greatly increased comfort and reduction of pain, in which case one can go a full hour. Drink plenty of fluids. The clay should quickly warm, and if one is sensitive enough, one should feel a significant increase in heat above the dressing ( by running one's hand over the body, then the dressing ). The second day, provided that no unpleasant effects have been observed, the pack should be left on for one hour. The third day, if, again, the response is either uneventful or favorable, the pack can remain on for one hour or overnight, depending on convenience ( there is really nothing convenient per se about such things! ). At this point, one can re-evaluate the experience. The clay itself when used in this manner is only a catalyst that induces a response in the body. A good idea is to watch for two things: 1) pause a few minutes after removing the clay pack and observe the skin: Is it whitish or redish, or normal skin color? - one must give just enough time for the effects of the pressure of the pack to normalize. A redish color tone indicates a strong exothermic reaction. Most likely, the individual will have felt the effects of the pack. If the skin is whitish, this is an indication of severe immune system supression. Diligence is called for, as well as warmed clay packs. If one carefully removes the pack ( it should come off in one peice ) examine the clay itself for perfectly concentric circles that penetrate the clay. I call these ( for lack of a better idea ) venting holes, and they provide a strong indication that a favorable action is occuring, reducing inflammation. I've seen some dime sized. Also, observe the skin for for red, highly defined indents in the skin that stay on the skin for up to an hour. If one sees these indents, it is highly adviseable to repeat the treatment whether one is convinced that anything is really happening or not. It is wonderous to see fantastic results quickly using clay, although this is NOT always the reality. 72 hours will give the explorer a very good idea whether any benefit is being experienced ( accept in the case of severe spinal and trauma induced chronic muscular injuries - some
Re: CS>bentonite (OT)
Via sorption, the clay holds the substances to it's own surface, and carries it out of the body - that is why it is often effective at curtailing a herx effect. The body's immune system/elimination system does not then have to deal with the substance, and bentonite is inert unless it's acting on organs. When it does act on organs, the action is a detoxification. Dr. Christopher at one time, in order to answer questions about the possibility of aluminum contamination from bentonite, ingested fairly large amounts of bentonite over a period of time, and then had blood work/hair analysis done. Not only was there no aluminum, but ZERO other heavy metals as well. Of course, under certain circumstances the clays action is reversed. If a clay becomes over-contaminated with substances, it "eminates them" ( for lack of a better word ). This effect can be harnessed in natural medicine as well. The caution is that one does not want to be exposed to a bentonite that has been heavily contaminated with undesireable substances. - Original Message - From: itssu...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: Re: CS>bentonite (OT) If the bentonite absorbs whatever it pulls from the body, would there be any problems with its disposal? suzy Tracy: I'm certainly glad you've experienced good results with your candida protocol! To keep bentonite pricing in perspective, the reseller cost of bulk USP bentonite from a full production quarry is about $200.00 for 50 lb. bag. In powder form, this would make hundreds of gallons of the similiar substances that Sonne, Yerba, and others market. The speciality companies, however, usually feel ( at least in their own minds! ) that their clays are particularly suitable for internal detoxification. Some of them certainly have valid points to consider - however, I should mention that we've received good results from American Colloids 35 mesh industrial bentonite as well, which sells from between $15.00 - 25.00 per 50 lb bag. The type of bentonite one decides to use is largely a personal decision. USP processed clay is almost a compromise between a natural clay, completely unprocessed ( by far the most potent ) and FDA grade clay ( used in things like Pepto Bismol ). I personally like V. E. Irons brand USP grade clay - I've followed their pioneering work in the supplement industry for quite some time, and have a great respect them. To give you an idea of the potency of the substance we're talking about here, I'd like to relate a very true story on how healing clays, when used properly, can be ONE thing a wise individual does not want to do without: Back in the mid-eighties, a young gentleman, motor cycle racing enthusiast, had a fairly severe accident in a race. He was rushed to the hospital with a leg partially torn to shreds. In short order he developed an infection which turned gangrene, and as time passed, the infection began to spread and worsen. One night, the doctor in charge of the case made the decision that the leg needed to be removed, and scheduled surgery for the next morning. Meanwhile, the gentleman's father finally arrived from out of town. The father, that same evening ( upon seeing the condition of the leg and hearing of the doctor's decision ), picked his son up and stole him away from the hospital ( didn't even check him out! ). They drove about 1/2 way across the country to the west coast, where a particular noteworthy bentonite deposit which the father was familiar with was located. He took his son to some "oldtimers" who had long been familiar with clay healing. They procured a large drum, and filled it with a hydrated bentonite "magma". Upon seeing that these crazy people actually were going to put his LEG in this this drum of mud, the son strongly resisted, and it took six men to force the poor chap's leg into the drum. The resistance didn't last long - bentonite often has a tendency to remove pain in short order. They left the leg in the clay for four days. When they removed his leg from the solution, not only was the infection completely gone, but tissue healing had already advanced at a very rapid rate. Within two weeks, this lucky chap was back on the race course, leg healed. His initial infection was most likely a hospital derived antibiotic resistant infection ( such occurences are becoming more and more common as time passes ). This is not an exception to the rule. Morey ( the gentleman whom oversaw this small miracle ) and the others involved had the complete confidence in this treatment because they'd seen the same thing happen over and over again for twenty plus years. For those
Re: CS>bentonite (OT)
radicating > candida. Go to www.wholeapproach. and check it out. It is called liquid > bentonite, but I am presuming you mix it with water. along with Psyllium > hulls and seeds, acidophillus, and Caprol liquid. These four things are the > killer of candida. The bentonite absorbs toxins, so you don't seem to get > the die off with using it alongside the others. The Caprol kills the > candida, the Psyllium pushes the caprol into the intestinal walls, and the > benonite absorbs the rubbish. The acidophillus replaces the good bacteria. > > I am checking out what A>V>R>A> said about the bentonite, as everyone seems > to have had good results, not dependant upon the state of their livers. > They just don't get die-off t he same by using the bentonite. This seems to > happen almost immediately with taking it. Very interesting piece of info > though A.V.R.A. > > NEEDS is a health food outlet in New York that sells the Great Plains > bentonite for $14 US for 32oz. > > Is this reasonably priced? Also, is it a good source, good quality? I am > ordering both the bentonite and Caprol through a friend who has become well > using this method. Suzy - if you have candida, do something about it now. > Every year you have it is one month of treatment. I have to do this for > well over a year. My diet is very strict, but the results are amazing. I > feel so well now, it's great. > > Back to CS, my mum has been using it topically for psoriasis on her face, > and its gone. We have all been keep really good health with regular use. > Can the people who have been taking it regularly for years please encourage > me as I still feel wary about using it continually, even though the results > are great. TELL ME YOU ARE STILL WALKING AROUND HEALTHY AS EVER! > > Good health to everyone > > Tracy > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Does Ozonation of Water Produce Hydrogen Peroxide
Interesting article, Stuart thanks! - Original Message - From: gaia research To: Silver-List Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:37 AM Subject: CS>Does Ozonation of Water Produce Hydrogen Peroxide Dear Marshall, Frank, Ivan and list members Here is a contrary post, or possibly even better, a "middle way" explaining both points of view: http://www.ozonet.com/Ozone_applications.html Hydrogen Peroxide VS. Ozone Hydrogen Peroxide is basically water with an additional molecule of oxygen. When it is solubilized in water it combines with H2O to equate to H2O + H2O2. Eventually the H2O2 looses its extra oxygen mole. Its reaction forms H2O + O. This oxygen radical (unstable) will then either combine with another free oxygen molecule to form O2 or H2O + O2 which is highly stable however the water will only maintain so much oxygen until it naturally liberates itself. As compared with Ozone or O3 your are initiating O2 PLUS another oxygen Molecule. Ozone is several more times more soluble in water than oxygen. The initial reaction is H2O2 + O (H2O3) then it converts to H2O2 plus O. Since the charge of the third molecule includes more energy it has the capability of combining with H2O to form H2O2. At that time the reaction is very similar to that of Hydrogen Peroxide. Basically, due to the increase of solubility of ozone and the extra molecule of oxygen the eventual breakdown to H2O is slower, thus the oxidation power (energy) last longer in the water. You test this by adding H2O2 to water and measuring the H2O2 and then later test again, you will find that the peroxide will last only a short while. However, if you were to supply ozone to the water containing H2O2, you will measure H2O2 significantly longer if not indefinitely. H2O + O3 = H2O2 + O = O + H2O = H2O2 + H2O2 (OZONE) H2O + H2O2 = H2O2 + O = H2O + O2 ST: By extention, I would expect the disputed phenomenon to be explained by the above described phenomenon, with the length of the process and nature of the equipment determining whether sufficient H2O2 will be formed early enough in the process to influence a later stage of the process, so that in effect "you 'might' (were to) supply ozone to the water containing H2O2, you 'could' (will) measure H2O2 significantly longer if not indefinitely" as concluded in the above quite reasonable explanation. Let's consider this possibility with an open mind in an effort to establish the facts, rather than partially informed opinions, and as a positive means of "conflict resolution". Regards Stuart
Re: CS>Normal / bentonite
I of course will let those interested know when I find a superior source for a superior price ( it's only a matter of time... ). - Original Message - From: Gage Tarrant To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 11:42 PM Subject: Re: CS>Normal / bentonite > Thanks for responding, glad you have such a nice source. For now, the Yerba > Prima seems "right" for me, whatever that elusive thing is... > - Original Message - > From: "A.V.R.A" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Normal / bentonite > > > > I wish I could sell the stuff we use currently... Sadly, the quarry is > only > > large enough for about a lifetime supply for the very few who know of its > > location. We mine it ourselves from a extremely pure subterranean vein. > > Since I'm "so far from home" currently, we usually resupply about once a > > year, which requires about a 700 mile drive. Well worth it though. > > > > I would say that four teaspoons of hydrated bentonite would be about the > > equivalent of one teaspoon of powder ( the average bentonite swells to > four > > times its volume, the average gram of bentonite actually covers a surface > > area of over 400 square meters ). > > > > Interesting... on looking up Yerba Primara's website, they also market > > Psyllum tusks - a great addition to liquid bentonite for anyone who has > any > > constipation problems through bentonite use ( a normal digestive system, > > however, does not respond in this manner to clay ). They also state that > > the surface area of their particular clay covers 900 square yards per > > tablespoon. That's a pretty dense clay - one tablespoon may be enough, > > depending on your purpose for using the clay. To correct digestive > > problems, it really should be used during or just after meals, once the > body > > has acclimated itself to usage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Gage Tarrant > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 7:54 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Normal / bentonite > > > > > > > Yes, AVRA, you're right- they recommend 1 TBSP. a day- which is what > I've > > > been doing. Are you saying that I should be taking 4 TBSP.a day? What > > > brand do you take and where can I get it? The Yerba Prima is 8.95 a > > bottle. > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "A.V.R.A" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 6:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: CS>Normal / bentonite > > > > > > > > > > Yerba Prima markets a USP grade bentonite, which is certainly, in my > > > > opinion, a better choice than the FDA grade alternatives. $10.95 is a > > bit > > > > steep in price for 1 pint - I can at times go through a pint for > various > > > > applications easily in a day, but this is typical in alt med > marketing. > > > > > > > > If I remember correctly, Great Plains clay is a Wyoming Clay, similiar > > to > > > > American Colloid's brand. > > > > > > > > They recommend a dose of one tablespoonful per day, which is a bit low > > > the > > > > actual recommended dose is one tablespoonful of powder to a glass of > > > > water ), but still useful I'm certain. > > > > > > > > I know it's probably hard to imagine, at 10.95 a bottle, using > bentonite > > > > three to four times daily as a part of one's lifestyle ( with cyclic > > > breaks > > > > of course ) - I certainly wouldn't be able to afford it. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: Gage Tarrant > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 6:16 PM > > > > Subject: Re: CS>Normal / bentonite > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi AVRA- this is very interesting- the bentonite I began using about > a > > > > month > > > > > ago (and need to resume using, obviously, since the effects are most > > > > > beneficial after about a month) is "Great Plains" by Yerba Prima. > > Have > > > > you > > > > > used this brand? It's milky white and very mild in taste, almost > > > > tasteless. > > > > > Thanks. I've already gotten a couple of thumbs up from others, but > > I'd > > > > > love
Re: CS>Normal / bentonite
I wish I could sell the stuff we use currently... Sadly, the quarry is only large enough for about a lifetime supply for the very few who know of its location. We mine it ourselves from a extremely pure subterranean vein. Since I'm "so far from home" currently, we usually resupply about once a year, which requires about a 700 mile drive. Well worth it though. I would say that four teaspoons of hydrated bentonite would be about the equivalent of one teaspoon of powder ( the average bentonite swells to four times its volume, the average gram of bentonite actually covers a surface area of over 400 square meters ). Interesting... on looking up Yerba Primara's website, they also market Psyllum tusks - a great addition to liquid bentonite for anyone who has any constipation problems through bentonite use ( a normal digestive system, however, does not respond in this manner to clay ). They also state that the surface area of their particular clay covers 900 square yards per tablespoon. That's a pretty dense clay - one tablespoon may be enough, depending on your purpose for using the clay. To correct digestive problems, it really should be used during or just after meals, once the body has acclimated itself to usage. - Original Message - From: Gage Tarrant To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: Re: CS>Normal / bentonite > Yes, AVRA, you're right- they recommend 1 TBSP. a day- which is what I've > been doing. Are you saying that I should be taking 4 TBSP.a day? What > brand do you take and where can I get it? The Yerba Prima is 8.95 a bottle. > - Original Message - > From: "A.V.R.A" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Normal / bentonite > > > > Yerba Prima markets a USP grade bentonite, which is certainly, in my > > opinion, a better choice than the FDA grade alternatives. $10.95 is a bit > > steep in price for 1 pint - I can at times go through a pint for various > > applications easily in a day, but this is typical in alt med marketing. > > > > If I remember correctly, Great Plains clay is a Wyoming Clay, similiar to > > American Colloid's brand. > > > > They recommend a dose of one tablespoonful per day, which is a bit low > the > > actual recommended dose is one tablespoonful of powder to a glass of > > water ), but still useful I'm certain. > > > > I know it's probably hard to imagine, at 10.95 a bottle, using bentonite > > three to four times daily as a part of one's lifestyle ( with cyclic > breaks > > of course ) - I certainly wouldn't be able to afford it. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Gage Tarrant > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 6:16 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Normal / bentonite > > > > > > > Hi AVRA- this is very interesting- the bentonite I began using about a > > month > > > ago (and need to resume using, obviously, since the effects are most > > > beneficial after about a month) is "Great Plains" by Yerba Prima. Have > > you > > > used this brand? It's milky white and very mild in taste, almost > > tasteless. > > > Thanks. I've already gotten a couple of thumbs up from others, but I'd > > > love to hear your opinion too. > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "A.V.R.A" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 4:13 PM > > > Subject: Re: CS>Normal / bentonite > > > > > > > > > > Normally speaking, the liver does not initially process bentonite - it > > > > rejects it. That is probably why none of the formalized studies have > > > picked > > > > up on this ( of course, scientific studies are quite rare to begin > with > > on > > > > this subject ). > > > > > > > > The liver, apparently, must first be restored to optimum health. My > > > > understanding of the dynamics come from Raymond Dextreit's Earth Cures > > > > handbook. > > > > > > > > A semi-healthy liver ( void of disease such as sclerosis, hepatitis, > > > ect. ) > > > > takes at least 30 days of internal use, WITH home-brewed herbal teas > to > > > > assist liver/kidney functions. Until that point is reached, the > > bentonite > > > > acts on the liver but is not processed BY the liver. > > > > > > > > However, this changes. > > > > > > > > Although I certainly cannot provide a scientific explanation, this can > > be > > > > practically
Re: CS>Normal / bentonite
Yerba Prima markets a USP grade bentonite, which is certainly, in my opinion, a better choice than the FDA grade alternatives. $10.95 is a bit steep in price for 1 pint - I can at times go through a pint for various applications easily in a day, but this is typical in alt med marketing. If I remember correctly, Great Plains clay is a Wyoming Clay, similiar to American Colloid's brand. They recommend a dose of one tablespoonful per day, which is a bit low ( the actual recommended dose is one tablespoonful of powder to a glass of water ), but still useful I'm certain. I know it's probably hard to imagine, at 10.95 a bottle, using bentonite three to four times daily as a part of one's lifestyle ( with cyclic breaks of course ) - I certainly wouldn't be able to afford it. - Original Message - From: Gage Tarrant To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: Re: CS>Normal / bentonite > Hi AVRA- this is very interesting- the bentonite I began using about a month > ago (and need to resume using, obviously, since the effects are most > beneficial after about a month) is "Great Plains" by Yerba Prima. Have you > used this brand? It's milky white and very mild in taste, almost tasteless. > Thanks. I've already gotten a couple of thumbs up from others, but I'd > love to hear your opinion too. > - Original Message - > From: "A.V.R.A" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Normal / bentonite > > > > Normally speaking, the liver does not initially process bentonite - it > > rejects it. That is probably why none of the formalized studies have > picked > > up on this ( of course, scientific studies are quite rare to begin with on > > this subject ). > > > > The liver, apparently, must first be restored to optimum health. My > > understanding of the dynamics come from Raymond Dextreit's Earth Cures > > handbook. > > > > A semi-healthy liver ( void of disease such as sclerosis, hepatitis, > ect. ) > > takes at least 30 days of internal use, WITH home-brewed herbal teas to > > assist liver/kidney functions. Until that point is reached, the bentonite > > acts on the liver but is not processed BY the liver. > > > > However, this changes. > > > > Although I certainly cannot provide a scientific explanation, this can be > > practically demostrated with enough patience. Once the liver DOES start > > processing bentonite, in short order a fairly drastic change occurs in the > > blood itself. I have not had lab work done - however, the effect is quite > > visible, because the blood becomes so enriched that it changes several > > shades of color... In fact, if you were to accidently cut yourself in > front > > of a group of people ( which is how I discovered this neat phenominon ) > the > > response would be uniform gasps. > > > > It took me personally about six months of excessive detoxification to > reach > > this level. > > > > Often times, external treatments of a good healing clay are necessary if a > > liver is in bad shape. It may not, at first, make any sense, but the > > results are very easily demonstratable. > > > > The PH balance is indeed affected. This goes beyond the stomach and > > digestive system as well. This can be demonstrated through long term use > of > > bentonite internally on a daily basis. Unlike colloidal silver, most > > healing clays have very little effect on fungi itself. However, prolonged > > use, even without diet changes, slowly starts to eliminate fungal > > infections. My only explanation for this is a gradual restoration of the > > acid/basic system of the body. > > > > I think some of the latest formalized research was done by UCLA, and their > > studies were very poorly done. Perhaps this is due to the fact that they > > really didn't understand the nature of the substance. > > > > Keep in mind that bentonite operates to detoxify the body via sorption. > So, > > we're not really talking about a binding agent per se. It also works when > > used on the outside of the body. > > > > I'll never forget one experience I had with a skin graft donor site. > There > > were I would say about 30 staples left that were embedded in new granular > > tissue, and I felt it was a bit barbaric to use pliers to pull them out. > > Instead, we simply used a clay pack to remove the staples. Most came out > > within about 72 hours. The last stubborn few which were completely > imbedded > > under the skin took about six days. None of them needed to be removed > with >
Re: CS>Normal / bentonite
Normally speaking, the liver does not initially process bentonite - it rejects it. That is probably why none of the formalized studies have picked up on this ( of course, scientific studies are quite rare to begin with on this subject ). The liver, apparently, must first be restored to optimum health. My understanding of the dynamics come from Raymond Dextreit's Earth Cures handbook. A semi-healthy liver ( void of disease such as sclerosis, hepatitis, ect. ) takes at least 30 days of internal use, WITH home-brewed herbal teas to assist liver/kidney functions. Until that point is reached, the bentonite acts on the liver but is not processed BY the liver. However, this changes. Although I certainly cannot provide a scientific explanation, this can be practically demostrated with enough patience. Once the liver DOES start processing bentonite, in short order a fairly drastic change occurs in the blood itself. I have not had lab work done - however, the effect is quite visible, because the blood becomes so enriched that it changes several shades of color... In fact, if you were to accidently cut yourself in front of a group of people ( which is how I discovered this neat phenominon ) the response would be uniform gasps. It took me personally about six months of excessive detoxification to reach this level. Often times, external treatments of a good healing clay are necessary if a liver is in bad shape. It may not, at first, make any sense, but the results are very easily demonstratable. The PH balance is indeed affected. This goes beyond the stomach and digestive system as well. This can be demonstrated through long term use of bentonite internally on a daily basis. Unlike colloidal silver, most healing clays have very little effect on fungi itself. However, prolonged use, even without diet changes, slowly starts to eliminate fungal infections. My only explanation for this is a gradual restoration of the acid/basic system of the body. I think some of the latest formalized research was done by UCLA, and their studies were very poorly done. Perhaps this is due to the fact that they really didn't understand the nature of the substance. Keep in mind that bentonite operates to detoxify the body via sorption. So, we're not really talking about a binding agent per se. It also works when used on the outside of the body. I'll never forget one experience I had with a skin graft donor site. There were I would say about 30 staples left that were embedded in new granular tissue, and I felt it was a bit barbaric to use pliers to pull them out. Instead, we simply used a clay pack to remove the staples. Most came out within about 72 hours. The last stubborn few which were completely imbedded under the skin took about six days. None of them needed to be removed with pliers. The experiment was done without without the clay ever touching the body. A thin dressing was applied uniformly to the site, the clay was applied to this dressing, then covered with a second dressing. Bentonite is proving very EXCELLENT in the treatment of radiation poisoning. I wish I had more solid data on this, since radiation comes in many forms, but I've lost contact with the group that was shipping healing clay by the 1000's of gallons to Prussia ( if I remember correctly ), for assistance to those who had radiation poisoning from a contaminated water supply resulting from the Cheranobyl disaster. Needless to say one certainly does NOT want to use bentonite while undergoing chemotherapy or other such treatments. One day I certainly plan to do more formalized research - when I have the resources available. On a last note, while bentonite IS an aluminum silicate, it is NOT simply aluminum silicate. As far as I know, the FDA approved purified bentonites may not respond the same as a natural bentonite. I personally have only tried the FDA grade bentonite once - couldn't stand it. - Original Message - From: Duncan Crow To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: Re: CS>Normal / bentonite > Hello A.V.R.A.; > > How does the liver process the clays? Given that the clays are aluminum > silicate and as such, unavailable to the digestive tract, their action will > be as a stabilizer and possibly a binder to toxins, right? > > How does bentonite fix oxygen into the bloodstream? I wasn't aware that > clay could change body pH or infuence oxygen directly. Let's look at this > important possibilty in more detail. > > > < of bentonite/healing clays, which will also eliminate in rapid order any > herximer effect the body experiences with intense therapies. I personally > have ingested up to six grams daily of pure vitamin C powder with no > unpleasant side effects by waiting about 45 minutes and ingesting a liter or > so of clay water ( not recommended if one has not gently adjusted to > internal use of clay
Re: CS>Normal
Very interesting description Suzy! It's the temperature that you are running that gives me pause. Do you think, in the past, that your immune system has been a) normal or b) supressed? Sometimes when the body receives a needed boost, the immune system itself will activate, and begin to eliminate conditions that had pre-existed without a strong immune response. However, from the available information it is certainly hard to tell for sure! If it were me, I'd let the regime continue for between 3 - 8 days. A 102 temperature, while unpleasant, is not really a concern in itself. If the diahrrea is severe, and has continued for more than 72 hours, the body is in risk of dehydration. I'd cut all of my doses by half ( accept the vitamin C, which should really be decreased at a slightly slower rate, tapering down over a few days to 50% ). If I had to lay money on the table, I would say it's probably the vitamin C that is causing the cramping/diarrea. It is my understanding that long term use of 1+ grams of vitamin C depends on the tolerance of the individual, and the body's need. Always watch your body for a signs of a BRIEF skin rash, usually very localized, to let you know when substances have reached a maximum tolerance level. Also keep in mind that when making extreme changes to diet, especially when ingesting pure substances ( such as vitamin C and MSM ) that the body is going to go through changes - not all of which are going to be totally predictable in every case - and it's often helpful and wise to assist the body in key organ functions. Very gentle herbal teas, home-brewed, are often a great way to do this. In particular, dandelion root tea is an excellent addition for liver support. Vitamin C in pure form and in large amounts can be very rough on the digestive system. I know no better way to overcome the unpleasant side effects than the use of bentonite/healing clays, which will also eliminate in rapid order any herximer effect the body experiences with intense therapies. I personally have ingested up to six grams daily of pure vitamin C powder with no unpleasant side effects by waiting about 45 minutes and ingesting a liter or so of clay water ( not recommended if one has not gently adjusted to internal use of clays ). The clays added to the diet also help to avoid the possible pitfall of an inbalance of free radicals in the body. Once the liver begins to process the clays ( this can take a minimum of four weeks of usage, with a maximum dependant directly upon the condition of the liver ), bentonite fixes free oxygen in the blood stream. At any rate, these are my thoughts - I certainly hope you are able to determine a working solution! - Original Message - From: itssu...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 6:40 PM Subject: Re: CS>Normal About a month and a half ago, hubby and I started taking MSM, 1000 mg daily. We also take one multiple vitamin, 1000 vitamin C, glucosamine tablet, and CS (about 44 oz am and 4 oz PM). Last week we increased the MSM dose to 1000 mg in the AM and an additional 1000 dose in the PM. Hubby has more energy than he knows what to do with, and is basically quite healthy. I have been sicker than a dog, and have been running a temp of about 101-1-2, sweats, cramps and diahreah, extreme fatigue, and sleepy. Could this be a result of the combination, or increased dosage, or a die off effect? Or does it sound like something completely unrelated? Did not take the extra msm last night, but did the normal CS. Been drinking a plenty of water, and eating normally. Thanks. suzy
Re: CS>high blood pressure
Very interesting description, Martin... I cannot fathom colloidal silver itself being the direct cause of the hypertension/blood pressure. Assuming for the moment that your observations between colloidal silver and your blood pressure are accurate, there must be something else going on. Questions: How much colloidal silver were you using, and how many times daily? Do you know the quality of the colloidal silver you are using? Are you taking any prescription drugs? Is there the possibility of any strong stimulants built up in your body tissues ( not caffeine, ect - stronger )? Are you having an skin reactions? Temporary high blood pressure/hypertension is SOMETIMES a byproduct of natural medicine treatments. However, on the same note, it is never anything to play around with! Operating under the assumption that the colloidal silver's action in the body is producing this effect, my initial thought is to first stablize the blood pressure/hypertension. Then, once these conditions are normal, intake a very small amount of colloidal silver, and monitor your blood pressure. Ideally, you should easily be able to find a dosage level that does not produce symptoms. Unless what is actually occuring is an allergic reaction ( which doesn't seem to be the case ), your body should adjust and normalize through time. With care, you should be able to slowly, over a period of months, increase the amount of colloidal silver. Consume plenty of liquids. Personally, I would not continue taking the colloidal silver at levels where high blood pressure is sustained, without coming to an exact understanding of what is occuring. Err on the side of caution, be gentle with yourself, and hopefully you can find a way to continue to reap the benefits of CS usage without any risk of compromising your health - Original Message - From: martin watson To: colloidal silver Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:20 AM Subject: CS>high blood pressure > i am a long term sufferer of chronic fatigue syndrome. > i recently tried cs and had a rapid increase in energy levels. > however, i then found my blood pressure/hypertension occurred, which is > subsiding on stopping cs. > please can anyone offer any advice/explanation? > > martin watson > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>CS Facts Club
It is sad to see the owner of such a list be so mistaken... I don't remember anyone saying, ever, that there aren't any patented processes... The fact remains that silver cannot be patented. Anyone can patent a process to make colloidal silver, and call it standardized. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:50 PM Subject: CS>CS Facts Club In my search today trying to find out why I have received almost 0 emails from any of the groups I am listed with, I came across this site... http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/colloidalsilverfacts At first I thought, cool, maybe I'll find some documented facts about cs. But, this is what the list owner has to say about cs. Just thought some of you may be interested. ~Hanan (Still puzzled by the lack of activity on my lists) sfropeem64 One researcher out of BYU is conducting animal studies to determine if silver colloids do anything in the body. Already The University of the Pacific has conducted studies that show that a specific silver colloid solution seems to be effective on sinus infections. Another study out of BYU found just ONE commercially available product to be standardized and effective on killing some types of bacteria in petri dishes. That product was the only one that has a patent on it's manufacture and is standardized. This is interesting because one of the things that was repeated to me by the colloidal silver true believers over and over was that there can be no patents on silver colloids. Again it was obvious that many people making and using their own colloidal silver that are on colloidal silver lists are ignorant and lazy and misinforming people; I was able to find research on it, patents, and scientific evidence that one type of standardized, patented colloidal silver solution seems to work on specific problems. Why nobody else could be bothered to get off their lazy asses and make a few phone calls and write a few emails and letters I do not know. Why they consistently denied that there were patents on making silver colloid and that any current scientific research existed showing it worked is another bizarre mystery of the colloidal silver cultists. They seemed to all be too busy congratulating themselves on how smart and innovative they were, when in reality they have been giving out loads of bad "information" and creating a silly little cult. They have found their "miracle" (a word frequently used) in silver colloid, but their "miracle" could have just as easily been found in potato peels by naive and ignorant people. American Silver makes a "ASAP Colloidal Silver Solution" that is the only product I am aware of that is standardized, has a patented process, and has been proven by researchers to do anything at all. You can try making colloidal silver on your own with distilled water, silver electrodes, and nine volt batteries; or you can by a proven standardized solution that is patented. I've tried several different products as well as made my own and have yet to find that colloidal silver does anything for me, my pets, or plants. Still I am hoping we'll know more as the BYU animal studies and other research continues. I think the issue is one of standardization and method of application as well as knowing and proving what colloidal silver works and does not work on. This can and will eventually be worked out in the lab and in studies that are happening now. People claim colloidal silver kills 650 different types of bacteria and pathogens; yet they also claim it does not kill off the natural beneficial flora that live in the gut and are needed to be there for optimal health. Well, newsflash, you can't have it both ways. You can't claim that colloidal silver selectively kills only the "bad" bacteria and leaves the beneficial bacteria alone. Antibiotics don't do this, and colloidal silver does not do it in the lab in petri dishes. So there's an obvious inconsistency in the claims made by the people that insist that colloidal silver is a "cure" for everything from asthma to athlete's foot to body odor to plaque, and claims that it is "a natural antibiotic" that somehow only kills off the "bad" bacteria. So the truth about colloidal silver is going to be gradual and probably obscured and maligned to a great extent by these foolish and idiotic miracle seekers that are lying about aspects of colloidal silver and are interested not in any kind of truth, but in something to cling to as a "miracle". It's all pretty sickening and dreadful. I am grateful that there are honest researchers who are working hard to give us honest answers, and that they are ready and willing to talk to people, if people would just bother to contact them. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. T
Re: CS>OT:VIRUS PLAGUE UPDATE
Marshall: Norton sometimes has a problem integrating with email applications during it's installation ( especially non-pop 3 accounts ). Rest assured, if you have the auto-monitor enabled, and your virus definitions are up to date, WOULD you open the attachment, Norton antivirus would then go off, since it monitors memory. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: Re: CS>OT:VIRUS PLAGUE UPDATE > I wonder what I am doing wrong. I have Norton and zone alarm both on, and > probably get a virus or worm in the mail several times a week. I never open > them, so no problem, but as of yet I have never had anything pop up and warn > me. My son who runs the same combo, pops up on any mail which contains a > worm, but we have checked and all our settings are the same. > > Marshall > > "d.linen" wrote: > > > Brooks, > > > > I, too, downloaded the AVG6 file and was quite pleased that it found > > nothing on my machine. I don't use Outlook Express and don't open > > attachments these days. I also have Zone Alarm which catches offenders > > and usually doesn't even allow them to be downloaded. A few do slip > > through but I don't open them since it usually tells me that it's a > > suspicious attachment. > > > > Diane > > > > BROOKS BRADLEY wrote: > > > > > > My sincerest thanks to all who sent > > > suggestions ( both on and off-list) addressing my virus > > > affliction.most especially to Jason and Ivan. Your suggestins were > > > immensely helpful. The AVG6 free download is absolutely SPLENDID for > > > addressing/curing this type of problem. It is a rather large (4+ meg) > > > file, but took about 2 minutes to locate, isolate and impound the > > > bad/trans virus. I am IMPRESSED. However, remember, feeble-minded > > > geriatrics are, as a general rule, quite easily impressed. :>) > > > None of the conventional anti-virus systems > > > (McAfee/Norton) I presently employ seem to display the email protection > > > capabilities---or the currencyof this new program (at least for me). > > > . > > > At present, I am issuing an ALL CLEAR on the > > > virus front..with a codicil- I am perfectly capable of fouling > > > up a World's Fair.single-handedly-stay on guard. > > > Sincerely, > > > Brooks Bradley. > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>VIRUS
Wow! That's interesting - I tested it out with the one I got from Joanne's email, and the email's would not send. Perhaps, then, the method cannot actually be trusted! thanks for your post! - Original Message - From: Beverle Sweitzer To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: Re: CS>VIRUS > What one does, is in the preferences for outlook express, one adds a > signature file that doesn't exist. Every time one sends a new email > message, a dialog box will appear warning you that it could not find the > signature file. These email viruses aren't programmed for that eventuality. > When it tries to send outbound mail with the attachment, the virus crashes > due to that extra step, and the email is never sent. > > > > AVRA - sure wish I could say that worked, but my email program has been > doing that ever since Norton snagged a potential virus about a month ago (I > forgot to update after that) and those "zillions" of emails still sent > themselves from my computer without the signature file. > > Bev > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>test.txt file
With one's desktop visible, right click on empty desktop space, and choose New ( on the popup menu ), then choose text document. An icon will appear on the desktop. One can either rename it, or just leave it named as is - New Text Document.txt. Then, simply browse and select this file from outlook express options/signature. Once one has closed the options, don't forget to delete the "new" .txt file. If one does not delete it, the "error" dialog box won't display when a new email message is initiated, and therefore any email virus will still be able to send outbound messages. - Original Message - From: Harold MacDonald To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: CS>test.txt file I sure feel dumb today[old age,I guess],but,how do I create a txt file on my desk-top?You'll have to take my hand and lead me gently,OK? thanx a whole bunch,Harold
Re: CS>VIRUS
Simply create a txt file on your desktop, such as test.txt. Then, select Tools ( at the top of the Outlook express ), then options, then signatures. At the bottom, one shall see a radio button titled File. choose this, and then browse to find your test.txt file. Select ok. Once one is out of the options, delete the test.txt file. Now every time one sends a message through email, this annoying box will pop up, stating that the signature file could not be found, and thus the feature is disabled. While it is certainly annoying, it will prevent email viruses from sending outbound mail through outlook express. - Original Message - From: Kehoe To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:17 AM Subject: Re: CS>VIRUS > Would you explain in detail how to do this. I am still in computers for > dummies. You can send it to me privately if you prefer. ke...@ticon.net > > > Thanks, > > CK > - Original Message - > From: "A.V.R.A" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: CS>VIRUS > > > | By the way, I thought I would mention, for Outlook Explorer users, there > is > | a way to crash these email viruses so that in the event one gets one and > is > | unaware of it, the virus will not be able to send outbound mail. > | > | What one does, is in the preferences for outlook express, one adds a > | signature file that doesn't exist. Every time one sends a new email > | message, a dialog box will appear warning you that it could not find the > | signature file. These email viruses aren't programmed for that > eventuality. > | When it tries to send outbound mail with the attachment, the virus crashes > | due to that extra step, and the email is never sent. > | > | > | > | - Original Message - > | From: A.V.R.A > | To: > | Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 7:47 AM > | Subject: Re: CS>VIRUS > | > | > | > Looks like we all will have to start spraying our computers with > colloidal > | > silver... > | > > | > As some of you might have noticed through watching the news, last week > | and > | > perhaps still? ), a huge cloud from Mongolia ( of all places! ) reached > | the > | > Western United States, spanning all the way to ( you guessed it ) right > | here > | > in Albuquerque. > | > > | > Heavy winds and ongoing construction has really effected the air > quality, > | > and we've been particularly faithful in using colloidal silver in the > | lungs. > | > I am certainly not sure what is capable of travelling in such a dust > | cloud, > | > but I'm certain if nothing else, at least spores survived the long trip. > | > > | > In fact, between the dust cloud, the construction, the high winds, and > the > | > spring pollen in the air, my allergies kicked in for the first time in > | about > | > 7 years. To further complicate things, our home has zero insulation. > | > > | > I find it amazing the colloidal silver soothes the mucus membranes so > | well! > | > Twenty minutes with the humidifier, and the relief is astounding. For > | those > | > with various lung conditions, it is certainly worth looking into. I've > | > found that one must be diligent in application, using the > | > nebulizer/humidifer sometimes as much as every five to ten minutes for > an > | > hour. > | > > | > Is there anyone on the list familiar with coning? Has anyone tried > | > delivering colloidal silver into the body through coning? I know this > | > method is supposed to be excellent for use with ozone. In fact, the > next > | > thing on our purchase list is an ozone sauna. > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > - Original Message - > | > From: > | > To: > | > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:09 PM > | > Subject: Re: CS>VIRUS > | > > | > > | > > This was just posted on the beck rife list...same problem there. > | > Directions > | > > how to fix. > | > > ~Hanan > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > I was targeted by a worm sent via an attachment from someone on a > | > > > | > > yahoo list I am on. The thing was very sneaky in that it quoted bits > | > > > | > > from one of my posts to the list, as thought this gal were replying > | > > > | > > to me privately. > | > > > | > > > | > > After that I couldn't access the list homepage, but luckily I had > | > > > | > > some digests to read -- and lo and behold, there were several posts > | > > > | > > about this
Re: CS>VIRUS
Here is a direct download link for the shareware program Dll Demon: http://www.progency.com/download/dlldem10.zip - Original Message - From: Gage Tarrant To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: Re: CS>VIRUS > BTW, I ran a scan on my computer and I did not download Brooks' attachment > virus. I take that to mean that the PC-Cillin I installed after the 1st > scare effectively blocked it, or, that it's hiding, but I see no evidence of > that yet. I looked for the Dll demon on Tucows but couldn't find it, then > ran a search for Dll demon and was shown so many different dll products that > I didn't know which one you were referring to. Do you have any direct > links, or perhaps a more specific program title? Thanks for all of your > info- it has been VERY helpful. > - Original Message - > From: "A.V.R.A" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 7:01 AM > Subject: Re: CS>VIRUS > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>VIRUS
By the way, I thought I would mention, for Outlook Explorer users, there is a way to crash these email viruses so that in the event one gets one and is unaware of it, the virus will not be able to send outbound mail. What one does, is in the preferences for outlook express, one adds a signature file that doesn't exist. Every time one sends a new email message, a dialog box will appear warning you that it could not find the signature file. These email viruses aren't programmed for that eventuality. When it tries to send outbound mail with the attachment, the virus crashes due to that extra step, and the email is never sent. - Original Message ----- From: A.V.R.A To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: Re: CS>VIRUS > Looks like we all will have to start spraying our computers with colloidal > silver... > > As some of you might have noticed through watching the news, last week and > perhaps still? ), a huge cloud from Mongolia ( of all places! ) reached the > Western United States, spanning all the way to ( you guessed it ) right here > in Albuquerque. > > Heavy winds and ongoing construction has really effected the air quality, > and we've been particularly faithful in using colloidal silver in the lungs. > I am certainly not sure what is capable of travelling in such a dust cloud, > but I'm certain if nothing else, at least spores survived the long trip. > > In fact, between the dust cloud, the construction, the high winds, and the > spring pollen in the air, my allergies kicked in for the first time in about > 7 years. To further complicate things, our home has zero insulation. > > I find it amazing the colloidal silver soothes the mucus membranes so well! > Twenty minutes with the humidifier, and the relief is astounding. For those > with various lung conditions, it is certainly worth looking into. I've > found that one must be diligent in application, using the > nebulizer/humidifer sometimes as much as every five to ten minutes for an > hour. > > Is there anyone on the list familiar with coning? Has anyone tried > delivering colloidal silver into the body through coning? I know this > method is supposed to be excellent for use with ozone. In fact, the next > thing on our purchase list is an ozone sauna. > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: CS>VIRUS > > > > This was just posted on the beck rife list...same problem there. > Directions > > how to fix. > > ~Hanan > > > > > > > > > > I was targeted by a worm sent via an attachment from someone on a > > > > yahoo list I am on. The thing was very sneaky in that it quoted bits > > > > from one of my posts to the list, as thought this gal were replying > > > > to me privately. > > > > > > After that I couldn't access the list homepage, but luckily I had > > > > some digests to read -- and lo and behold, there were several posts > > > > about this very thing. And even more luckily, one of the members of > > > > the list is an expert in computer security, who posted a description > > > > and fix. I don't think I sent the worm to any of you because I > > > > didn't re-boot between the time I downloaded the file and the time I > > > > did the fix, but I post it in case any of you were hit elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > Win32.Badtrans.13312 > > > > Badtrans is a worm spreading via e-mail. The worm replies to all > > > > unread messages and attaches itself using one of the following 16 > > > > names: > > > > > > fun.pif > > > > Humor.TXT.pif > > > > docs.scr > > > > s3msong.MP3.pif > > > > Sorry_about_yesterday.DOC.pif > > > > Me_nude.AVI.pif > > > > Card.pif > > > > SETUP.pif > > > > searchURL.scr > > > > YOU_are_FAT!.TXT.pif > > > > hamster.ZIP.scr > > > > news_doc.scr > > > > New_Napster_Site.DOC.scr > > > > README.TXT.pif > > > > images.pif > > > > Pics.ZIP.scr > > > > > > When a user opens the attachment, the worm copies itself to the > > > > Windows directory as: > > > > > > inetd.exe > > > > > > and modifies the file win.ini by including the line executing that > > > > program. > > > > > > Additionally, the Badtrans worm, drops a backdoor trojan > > > > (Win32.Badtrans.21882 Trojan). The worm creates and executes a 218
Re: CS>VIRUS
Looks like we all will have to start spraying our computers with colloidal silver... As some of you might have noticed through watching the news, last week ( and perhaps still? ), a huge cloud from Mongolia ( of all places! ) reached the Western United States, spanning all the way to ( you guessed it ) right here in Albuquerque. Heavy winds and ongoing construction has really effected the air quality, and we've been particularly faithful in using colloidal silver in the lungs. I am certainly not sure what is capable of travelling in such a dust cloud, but I'm certain if nothing else, at least spores survived the long trip. In fact, between the dust cloud, the construction, the high winds, and the spring pollen in the air, my allergies kicked in for the first time in about 7 years. To further complicate things, our home has zero insulation. I find it amazing the colloidal silver soothes the mucus membranes so well! Twenty minutes with the humidifier, and the relief is astounding. For those with various lung conditions, it is certainly worth looking into. I've found that one must be diligent in application, using the nebulizer/humidifer sometimes as much as every five to ten minutes for an hour. Is there anyone on the list familiar with coning? Has anyone tried delivering colloidal silver into the body through coning? I know this method is supposed to be excellent for use with ozone. In fact, the next thing on our purchase list is an ozone sauna. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: CS>VIRUS > This was just posted on the beck rife list...same problem there. Directions > how to fix. > ~Hanan > > > > > I was targeted by a worm sent via an attachment from someone on a > > yahoo list I am on. The thing was very sneaky in that it quoted bits > > from one of my posts to the list, as thought this gal were replying > > to me privately. > > > After that I couldn't access the list homepage, but luckily I had > > some digests to read -- and lo and behold, there were several posts > > about this very thing. And even more luckily, one of the members of > > the list is an expert in computer security, who posted a description > > and fix. I don't think I sent the worm to any of you because I > > didn't re-boot between the time I downloaded the file and the time I > > did the fix, but I post it in case any of you were hit elsewhere. > > > > > < > > Win32.Badtrans.13312 > > Badtrans is a worm spreading via e-mail. The worm replies to all > > unread messages and attaches itself using one of the following 16 > > names: > > > fun.pif > > Humor.TXT.pif > > docs.scr > > s3msong.MP3.pif > > Sorry_about_yesterday.DOC.pif > > Me_nude.AVI.pif > > Card.pif > > SETUP.pif > > searchURL.scr > > YOU_are_FAT!.TXT.pif > > hamster.ZIP.scr > > news_doc.scr > > New_Napster_Site.DOC.scr > > README.TXT.pif > > images.pif > > Pics.ZIP.scr > > > When a user opens the attachment, the worm copies itself to the > > Windows directory as: > > > inetd.exe > > > and modifies the file win.ini by including the line executing that > > program. > > > Additionally, the Badtrans worm, drops a backdoor trojan > > (Win32.Badtrans.21882 Trojan). The worm creates and executes a 21882- > > byte file in the Windows System directory: > > > kern32.exe > > > and modifies the registry in order to run it on the next reboot: > > > HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce\kernel32=kern32 > > .exe > > > The Trojan, which is in fact a backdoor server also uses its own > > library: > > hksdll.dll (a 5632-byte file created in the same directory). > > > To fix: > > > First: > > > search your hard drive for the files named INETD.EXE, KERN32.EXE and > > CP_23421.NLS. Delete them. > > > Then: > > > Run SYSEDIT by clicking START-RUN. On RUN Window type SYSEDIT then > > click OK. > > In SYSTEM CONFIGURATION EDITOR select the window C:\WINDOWS\WIN.INI > > then delete the entry "C:\WINDOWS\INETD.EXE" under RUN key. > > > All done.>> > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Attachment
One must simply terminate the active process before one can alter the .exe file... As mentioned previously, the shareware program dll demon will allow one complete command over processes ( programs ) running in active memory! - Original Message - From: BROOKS BRADLEY To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 10:48 PM Subject: Re: CS>Attachment > NO. I did not. I have just detected the > virus I contacted when I first opened Joanne''s > corrupted email. NEVER open an attachment from me--I DO NOT send them. > Thanks for the heads-up.it is the first > confirmation that the virus is sending altered messages. > I have located the virus file, but am having difficulty in > deleting it...or changing its name to render it harmless. I will get some > professional help tomorrow. > Sincerely, Brooks. > Kehoe wrote: > > > Brooks, > > > > Did you send a test message with an attachment?? I did not open it. > > > > CK > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>VIRUS
Not from the list Mike... This virus is a very clever new virus - the damage it could do was only recently theoretical. The file extension is masked by a class ID, making it appear that it is a text file, image file, movie file, or other safe media. However, the file is actually a DOS executable. It auto-replies to any messages that are received. Some of these viruses ( like this one ) aren't picked up by the major virus scanning software yet. If one gets infected, and one is baffled at the inability to find the virus, one needs to do several things: 1) download the shareware program called Dll Demon 1.0 from any shareware site, such as Tucows. Demon Dll will allow you to see and kill any single process that is running on your computer, including those programs which one cannot see by using ctrl+alt+del. Since this is a memory resident virus, there will be ONE .exe running in DOS mode which is monitoring email, and perhaps infecting other files in real time. One needs to identify which file it is... by careful examination of all processes running. When one identifies the exact .exe of the virus, one needs to send it to Norton Antivirus ( or McAfee, ect. ). Sadly, this virus is a bit buggy, and did not infect my machine, although I was able to examine some of the code from three seperate emails I received. The name of the "virus" file that is infected in the attachment is variable, it changes... It probably self-extracts an executable that always has the same name, but maybe not. Once one sends it to Norton, one can then kill the process using dll demon. One highlights the .exe file, presses Options and then Processes, then chooses Terminate. This forces the program to stop running INSTANTLY, unloading it from memory. Make sure to make note of the .exe. If one doesn't know how to send a virus to a virus company, then one can do a file search for the exact file name with the windows search feature. Upon locating the file, change the file name, ONLY changing the extention, ie the .exe to something like .vir. This will prevent the registry from being able to find the virus and loading it into memory when you reboot your machine it will also prevent the autoexec.bat file from finding it as well ). You can then, if you wish, send that file to me at this email address. The three files I received that were a part of the virus were corrupt, so I cannot do this. However, the battle is not yet won. The virus could be multi-staged and morphogenic. Chances are, this one action will inactive the virus. However, one then needs to search all of one's startup files for any reference to the original file name, ie the registry, the autoexec.bat files, ect. Eliminate any line commands that one finds with this file name in it. It appears to use the E switch to execute, so one will probably find filename.ext /e in any windows files that load the virus. Then, one reboots one's machine. Use dll demon to look at all active processes once again. Careful analysis of each process will show whether it is a program you want to be running or not! Often times, even if you don't have a virus, you will be surprised at the files running on your machine that you didn't know about. Don't panic! Go to altavista.com or Google.com. In the search box, type the exact file name in quotes ie "injection.exe" ( a common valid file that runs in norton applications). Your search will more than likely give you a clue to what the file is, and whether or not it should be running on your machine. This is an exercise everyone SHOULD do to become familiar with the programs loaded and running on one's machine. No memory resident virus can escape dll demon. If it is running on your machine, you will be able to see it! Gone will be the fear of trusting antivirus companies exclusively for virus protection. Of course, not ALL viruses run as memory resident. Some load, do their deeds, then unload themselves to stay in hiding. However, you've now become familiar with everything that should be loading on your machine, and one can then notice any anomolies in one's startup files, one's autoexec.bat, windows.ini, control.ini, ect... If you use outlook express, or other software that saves a copy of your outgoing messages, you can check to see if you're infected. Look for messages sent by you that you didn't send. The files, as I've examined them, are not large enough to contain their own email server, so they must be using an existing email package to send the message replies out. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 4:32 AM Subject: Re: CS>VIRUS > I've gotten a couple of messages sent to me directly, not through the > list, that seem to have been silver-list messages that were quoted in > their entirety, with a clever little line added at the end, something > like: > > > look at the attachment... > > ... giving the impression the person whose machine the message was from
CS>Conversions H2O2 and CS
Greetings, all: For those interested, the second form program I've written has been modified to optionally calculate the amount of silver in milligrams of a colloidal silver solution, and display the amount of Hydrogen Peroxide in mg ( when a H2O2 solution is used ). For instance, currently, on this form one can choose 3 drops of a 35% H2O2 solution added to eight ounces of water, select that the CS solution is about 10ppm, and the answer will display: The exact concentration of the hydrogen peroxide in the end solution .0288% ) The amount of silver in the end solution ( 2.366 mg ). The amount of hydrogen peroxide in the end solution ( .068 grams ). I will be adding the H2O2 parts per million, as soon as my function functions properly. http://silverdata.20m.com/conversionform2.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bentonite
Aztec Secret CAN be used internally. Many people do so. However, please keep in mind that their clay is not USP or FDA rated. I've been to the quarry where they mine their clay, and the quality is fair. Aztec simply purchases bulk clay directly from the quarry for under 10.00 per 50lb bag, and re-packages it with their own label. It is an industrial grade clay. I mine my own bentonite about 180 miles from the location where Aztec gets their clay. The only benefit one is achieving over a USP or high grade natural clay is the price. Compared to an FDA rated bentonite, though, I think I'd even prefer Aztec clay. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: Re: CS>Bentonite > It is Aztec Secret...Indian Healing Clay from Aztec Secret Health & Beauty, > Pahrump, Nevada. > > ~Hanan > > > In a message dated 4/21/01 12:27:06 PM, colloidalsilverd...@hotmail.com > writes: > > << What is the brand name of the clay? > > > > - Original Message - > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 9:51 AM > > Subject: CS>Bentonite > > > > > I have forgotten who it was that had expertise concerning the use of > > > bentonite.., Is it Jason? > > > > > > I have a question... > > > I have been reading about the benefits of internal use of bentonite. > > > I have some clay that I bought for a facial mask and it says 100% pure > > > bentonite from Death Valley, CA. > > > Would this be ok to use internally? > > > > > > ~Hanan > > > >> > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Bentonite
What is the brand name of the clay? - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 9:51 AM Subject: CS>Bentonite > I have forgotten who it was that had expertise concerning the use of > bentonite.., Is it Jason? > > I have a question... > I have been reading about the benefits of internal use of bentonite. > I have some clay that I bought for a facial mask and it says 100% pure > bentonite from Death Valley, CA. > Would this be ok to use internally? > > ~Hanan > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
CS>More chemistry conversion questions...
Greetings, all: I'm trying to improve the functionality of some form programs I'm creating. 1 ppm = 1 mg / 1 L of water, right? So a 5ppm solution would be 5mg of silver for every liter of water. And, if a 5% concentration = 5g/100ml, then a 5 parts per million colloidal silver solution would actually be a .0005% solution, right? Conversely, a 3% H2O2 solution would then be 3 grams / 100ml, or 3000mg / .10L. Which would then be equivalent to 30,000 parts per million. If so, then I can simplify and automate the process by developing a simple algebra equation/function. The material that I'm drawing from is located @ http://www.civil.mtu.edu/~reh/courses/ce251/251_notes_dir/node2.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Caution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy
-into an unknown pathogenic environment involving the > lungscould be VERY serious. I am not attempting to be alarmist in this > instance; just pointing out what should be obvious to all > deliberate/cautious researchers. The odds against a serious adverse > occurrence are, probably, higher than its likelihood..but even long odds > are not too desireable when the breathing system is involved. > If one insists on experimenting with such a > protocol, it would appear prudent to start at or below .5% H202 . It > would, also, be adviseable to mix a sample of the volunteer's sputum with a > generous amount of your protocol solution and observe for reaction.prior > to inducing inhalation procedures. > Sincerely, > Brooks Bradley. > "M. G. Devour" wrote: > > > A.V.R.A. wrote: > > > It is interesting to note, however, that such a small amount of H2O2 > > > 0.0025% ) can have such an action on the body. > > > > > > Comments and/or suggestions/thoughts are certainly welcome! > > > > I'm not suggesting that the H2O2 is *not* responsible for the extreme > > reaction your test subject had, but a useful control would be to give > > him/her another treatment with *no* H2O2 in it, just the water or CS or > > whatever. > > > > I wonder if just introducing the extra fluid into the lungs could have > > caused the reaction. The trouble will be managing the subject's > > expectations. Do you tell them what you're doing or not? > > > > Very interesting report! > > > > Mike D. > > > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Caution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy
I'd love to give that a try, the biggest problem is finding smokers willing to take such a risk... I'm sure my one experimentee would be willing to try a diluted solution. Perhaps next month I will at least attempt what you suggest with one person. It certainly would be worthwhile to obtain better data than simply one person. Stuart: Thanks for CS/H2O2 information! > Very interesting experiment. Any chance of diluting it down even further > (1:10) and repeating it on several more smokers with and without the CS > present? Roger > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Caution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy
Yes, the subject had full knowledge. I could never do a blind study, nor could I personally do a study on animals. If I have something I believe works, there's no way I could not give it to the other 50% of the willing test group. Anyone I work work with is always given full knowledge of the possible consequences, even if I don't believe that they are real ( in the case of possible adverse reactions ). The reason the individual wanted to try the H2O2 CS combination was because of good results previously achieved with colloidal silver alone. The operative idea was to try to get some good skin results through the use of H2O2 used interally, that has been reported through IV use. Healthier skin eventually translates into a more effective immune system. It's true that something else could be occuring... But it is evident that some type of stimulant was being released into the bloodstream. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour To: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 6:43 AM Subject: Re: CS>Caution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy > A.V.R.A. wrote: > > It is interesting to note, however, that such a small amount of H2O2 > > 0.0025% ) can have such an action on the body. > > > > Comments and/or suggestions/thoughts are certainly welcome! > > I'm not suggesting that the H2O2 is *not* responsible for the extreme > reaction your test subject had, but a useful control would be to give > him/her another treatment with *no* H2O2 in it, just the water or CS or > whatever. > > I wonder if just introducing the extra fluid into the lungs could have > caused the reaction. The trouble will be managing the subject's > expectations. Do you tell them what you're doing or not? > > Very interesting report! > > Mike D. > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>[Fwd: Watch for]
Sorry, Bob! The "it takes guts to say Jesus" hoax has been around for a long time... http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jesus-hoax.html - Original Message - From: Robert L. Berger To: Silver-list Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: CS>[Fwd: Watch for] > Hi Ya'all, > > WATCHOUT for this. > > "Ole Bob" > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Caution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy
Aye, I agree... No adverse reaction was experienced in non-smoking lungs. I'm under the understanding that in order for H2O2 to benefit emphysema, it must be injected. The H2O2 has to hit the lungs from "the other side". I'm nowhere near ready to undertake THAT study, but reportedly there are doctors who will treat emphysema via intravenous H2O2. - Original Message - From: Dick Tanguay To: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: Re: CS>Caution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy > I use a colloidal silver generator that I set on #3 to make approximately > 3.2 to 4.2 PPM. I use 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide and I use anywhere > from 6 to 12 drops a day orally with about 8 ozs. distilled water for > emphysema. I can't seem to find a happy medium and I don't keep any record > since I do pretty much the same thing right along. Could use some > suggestions. > I experimented and made 3% h2o2 from the 35%. Of the 3%, I added 1 tsp. to > 8 ounces of colloidal silver and am using it with the air brush and oxygen > tank and inhaling it. So far, I cannot tell any difference whether its > helping or not...It is not causing me any distress. I do not smoke or drink > alcohol and I am having no fun at all...its horrible. (grin :-) Anyway, > I was thinking since I don't smoke is the reason I did not get the reaction > you reported. > > Dick > > Go to www.nite.org and become enlighten about INCOME TAXES. > - Original Message - > From: "A.V.R.A" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:01 AM > Subject: CS>Caution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy > > > > Greetings, all: > > > > The combination of hydrogen peroxide and colloidal silver is fascinating. > > According to a few ambigious sources I've run across, hydrogen peroxide > > stabilizes ionic silver, and it certainly appears that Ivan's earlier > > comments are right on... It certainly appears that hydrogen peroxide > > ionizes small silver particles. About a week ago, I took about a 10ppm > > colloidal silver solution as my based, and created a 3% H2O2 solution. > Two > > weeks later, the solution is still very active ( if I leave the container > > sealed for a few days and then open it, built up pressure is released > along > > with a vaporous white cloud ). > > > > It's taken quite awhile to build up the courage to start experimenting > with > > H2O2 in the lungs. However, after finding several references ( equally > > ambigious ) about the safety of such a practice, I decided to personally > > investigate. > > > > I approached the subject with due caution. > > > > To create my base 3% H2O2 colloidal silver solution, I added about 40.6 > CCs > > (ml) to ~ 14.6 ounces of colloidal silver ( both together exactly filled a > > 16 ounce amber glass container ). For this type of conversion, I used a > > javascript program I wrote @ > > http://silverdata.20m.com/conversion%20form.html > > > > Then, I added 3 drops of this 3% solution to 8 ounces of distilled water > to > > achieve a 0.0025% H2O2 solution. I used a second program I wrote for the > > calcuation @ http://silverdata.20m.com/conversionform2.html > > > > I figured such a dilution would be a safe starting to point to start to > > examine any effects of this combination. > > > > I've initially discovered some interesting things that are worth a moments > > thought for anyone who might be considering experimentation. > > > > With healthy relatively healthy lungs, I have not been able to discover > any > > negative effects ( with my very limited experience to date ). The H2O2 > > certainly stimulates the cleaning of lung tissues; of that there is no > > doubt! In the .0025% dilution, there is no direct irritation to the lungs > > that manifests any symptoms such as burning sensations, ect... Quite a > > pleasant experience, in fact. > > > > However, with lungs that are NOT so healthy, the story changes. It seems > > that it is very wise to pause and consider what the lungs have been > subject > > to before approaching H2O2 inhalation therapy. > > > > After having determined that the H2O2 CS solution appeared to be safe, the > > treatment via ultrasonic humidifier was attempted with a smoker. The > effect > > was a dangerous and mixed blessing. > > > > Only three breaths of the mist was used. Initial report of "feeling > > strange" occured within 30 seconds. At one minute, the individual's heart > > rate began to increase. It continued to climb over the next two minutes &
Re: CS>Caution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy
I won't say completely clean, but the individidual was lightly coughing up mucus ( individual does not have a chronic cough ) and reported that it was a bit easier to breath. In the future, I probably will, but I'm very leary. I'll probably try diluting the solution even further, probably an additional 70% or so. Although the effect described didn't occur when used with non-smoking lungs, how does one determine what might be accumulated in the lungs? - Original Message - From: itssu...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: Re: CS>Caution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy Thanks for posting this. Fascinating and interesting. Will you be doing further testing? Also, how did you know the smokers lungs were "clean?" Because of the reaction? Have always been leary of H202 in vaporizers, etc., Thanks. suzy Greetings, all: The combination of hydrogen peroxide and colloidal silver is fascinating. According to a few ambigious sources I've run across, hydrogen peroxide stabilizes ionic silver, and it certainly appears that Ivan's earlier comments are right on... It certainly appears that hydrogen peroxide ionizes small silver particles. About a week ago, I took about a 10ppm colloidal silver solution as my based, and created a 3% H2O2 solution. Two weeks later, the solution is still very active ( if I leave the container sealed for a few days and then open it, built up pressure is released along with a vaporous white cloud ). It's taken quite awhile to build up the courage to start experimenting with H2O2 in the lungs. However, after finding several references ( equally ambigious ) about the safety of such a practice, I decided to personally investigate. I approached the subject with due caution. To create my base 3% H2O2 colloidal silver solution, I added about 40.6 CCs (ml) to ~ 14.6 ounces of colloidal silver ( both together exactly filled a 16 ounce amber glass container ). For this type of conversion, I used a javascript program I wrote @ http://silverdata.20m.com/conversion%20form.html Then, I added 3 drops of this 3% solution to 8 ounces of distilled water to achieve a 0.0025% H2O2 solution. I used a second program I wrote for the calcuation @ http://silverdata.20m.com/conversionform2.html I figured such a dilution would be a safe starting to point to start to examine any effects of this combination. I've initially discovered some interesting things that are worth a moments thought for anyone who might be considering experimentation. With healthy relatively healthy lungs, I have not been able to discover any negative effects ( with my very limited experience to date ). The H2O2 certainly stimulates the cleaning of lung tissues; of that there is no doubt! In the .0025% dilution, there is no direct irritation to the lungs that manifests any symptoms such as burning sensations, ect... Quite a pleasant experience, in fact. However, with lungs that are NOT so healthy, the story changes. It seems that it is very wise to pause and consider what the lungs have been subject to before approaching H2O2 inhalation therapy. After having determined that the H2O2 CS solution appeared to be safe, the treatment via ultrasonic humidifier was attempted with a smoker. The effect was a dangerous and mixed blessing. Only three breaths of the mist was used. Initial report of "feeling strange" occured within 30 seconds. At one minute, the individual's heart rate began to increase. It continued to climb over the next two minutes to the point where the individual's hands started shaking uncontrollably, vision began to blur, and the initial tingling-numbness began to set in. Luckily, at about 4.5 minutes the heart rate stabilized and then slowly dropped down to normal. The individual was left feeling perfectly fine, with clearer lungs. It took me awhile to determine exactly what happened. The action of the hydrogen peroxide apparently, while clearing the lungs, released large amounts of accumulated nicotine directly into the blood stream, resulting in a nicotine overdose, which can easily be deadly. It is a safe assumption that a similiar effect could occur with anything that has accumulated in the lungs, including perhaps perscription inhalation drugs and other toxic substances. I'm certainly very grateful today that it is my practice to err on the side of caution! In the future, with the help of my enthusiastic experimentee, I might try to find a dilute enough combination that acts as a cleansing agent without poisoning the body. Theoretically, one could slowly clean out the lungs, and increase the amount o
CS>Caution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy
Greetings, all: The combination of hydrogen peroxide and colloidal silver is fascinating. According to a few ambigious sources I've run across, hydrogen peroxide stabilizes ionic silver, and it certainly appears that Ivan's earlier comments are right on... It certainly appears that hydrogen peroxide ionizes small silver particles. About a week ago, I took about a 10ppm colloidal silver solution as my based, and created a 3% H2O2 solution. Two weeks later, the solution is still very active ( if I leave the container sealed for a few days and then open it, built up pressure is released along with a vaporous white cloud ). It's taken quite awhile to build up the courage to start experimenting with H2O2 in the lungs. However, after finding several references ( equally ambigious ) about the safety of such a practice, I decided to personally investigate. I approached the subject with due caution. To create my base 3% H2O2 colloidal silver solution, I added about 40.6 CCs (ml) to ~ 14.6 ounces of colloidal silver ( both together exactly filled a 16 ounce amber glass container ). For this type of conversion, I used a javascript program I wrote @ http://silverdata.20m.com/conversion%20form.html Then, I added 3 drops of this 3% solution to 8 ounces of distilled water to achieve a 0.0025% H2O2 solution. I used a second program I wrote for the calcuation @ http://silverdata.20m.com/conversionform2.html I figured such a dilution would be a safe starting to point to start to examine any effects of this combination. I've initially discovered some interesting things that are worth a moments thought for anyone who might be considering experimentation. With healthy relatively healthy lungs, I have not been able to discover any negative effects ( with my very limited experience to date ). The H2O2 certainly stimulates the cleaning of lung tissues; of that there is no doubt! In the .0025% dilution, there is no direct irritation to the lungs that manifests any symptoms such as burning sensations, ect... Quite a pleasant experience, in fact. However, with lungs that are NOT so healthy, the story changes. It seems that it is very wise to pause and consider what the lungs have been subject to before approaching H2O2 inhalation therapy. After having determined that the H2O2 CS solution appeared to be safe, the treatment via ultrasonic humidifier was attempted with a smoker. The effect was a dangerous and mixed blessing. Only three breaths of the mist was used. Initial report of "feeling strange" occured within 30 seconds. At one minute, the individual's heart rate began to increase. It continued to climb over the next two minutes to the point where the individual's hands started shaking uncontrollably, vision began to blur, and the initial tingling-numbness began to set in. Luckily, at about 4.5 minutes the heart rate stabilized and then slowly dropped down to normal. The individual was left feeling perfectly fine, with clearer lungs. It took me awhile to determine exactly what happened. The action of the hydrogen peroxide apparently, while clearing the lungs, released large amounts of accumulated nicotine directly into the blood stream, resulting in a nicotine overdose, which can easily be deadly. It is a safe assumption that a similiar effect could occur with anything that has accumulated in the lungs, including perhaps perscription inhalation drugs and other toxic substances. I'm certainly very grateful today that it is my practice to err on the side of caution! In the future, with the help of my enthusiastic experimentee, I might try to find a dilute enough combination that acts as a cleansing agent without poisoning the body. Theoretically, one could slowly clean out the lungs, and increase the amount of H2O2 used ( not in the case of a smoker though! ) thereby eliminating the risk of introducing "large" amounts of toxic substances directly into the bloodstream. It is interesting to note, however, that such a small amount of H2O2 0.0025% ) can have such an action on the body. Comments and/or suggestions/thoughts are certainly welcome! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>New solution conversion form for CS and H2O2
Greetings all! For anyone interested in such things, a new acid conversion form is available for use http://silverdata.20m.com/conversionform2.html This form ( one of three ) allows one to enter the amount of H2O2 and the amount of Colloidal Silver or Distilled water, allows one to select the units of measurement ( ounces, drops, CCs ( ml ) or cups ) for each solution, and then calculates the resulting concentration, ie one can enter 3 drops of 35% H2O2, 5 ounces of CS, whereby the form will calculate the resulting solution strength ( .046% ). The form makes it very simple to accurately gauge various dilution strengths. The first form is still available at http://silverdata.20m.com/conversion%20form.html This form allows one to enter the amount of the final solution quantity in ounces, the ending strength and the starting strength of the H2O2, then calculates how much H2O2 and distilled water/CS to use. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>H2O2 CS w/nebulizer?
Anyone have any solid information available for using H2O2 & CS with a nebulizer/ultrasonic humidifier? Dosage levels, possible adverse reactions, ect? In advance, thanks! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Aspartame: Is there Reliable Research that Supports the Conclusions Below?
No doubt. There's a lot of truth in the article, despite a Phd BS opinion. Aspartame is a great example of short term "comfort" for long term trouble. My mother started to use the stuff because she was concerned about a bit of added weight. Her and all her "friends" started to. They all started the same weekly excercise program. About six months into it, weight gain, in the form of fat, had increased. Finally, I was able to convince my mother, about a year into use, to stop it. Much better to use sugar, and just put an extra emphasis on cleaning the body. In three months, she was able to drop all the "extra" weight. Her friends, on the same excercise regime, continue to either maintain or gain. They all work 12 hour shifts, four to six days a week, on their feet all day, and they all work out three times weekly. I'm constantly amazed how chemists seem know so little about the body. I'm constantly amazed how people turn to "authority figures" for their answers instead of better questions ). As far as I'm concerned, use of aspartame falls into the "pill popping" cure category - in fact, into the pill popping that doesn't work category. - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: RE: CS>Aspartame: Is there Reliable Research that Supports the Conclusions Below? It is a great ant poison; just sprinkle a bit about. I think Betty Martini's information is based on sound research; search for "missionpossible" or similar. JOH -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Aspartame: Is there Reliable Research that Supports the Conclusions Below? I showed this article [privately] to a close Chemistry PHD friend a couple of years ago who runs a new drug research department for a major pharmaceutical company [name and company withheld but I can pick up the phone and call him or e-mail him any time] I don't remember much of the specific the gobbledegook but he was very familiar with aspartame and what it did in the body. He didn't seem too alarmed and pointed out several untruths, half truths, distortions and misconceptions in the article. A couple of items gave him some pause to think. All in all, most of the article seems to be hogwash with a possible kernel of truth. Personally, I don't like the stuff because it tastes like s**t. Ken At 08:06 AM 4/10/01 EDT, you wrote: >List: This article should be read in its entirety. Roger > >Subject: Aspartame > > >> > > > > >WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the MULTIPLE >SCLEROSIS FOUNDATION & FDA IS SUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTO. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Article written by Betty Martini >> > > > > > >I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on >ASPARTAME: Marketed as 'NutraSweet,' 'Equal,' and >'Spoonful.' >> > > > > > >In the keynote address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic >of multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus, and they did not understand what >toxin was causing this to be rampant across the United States. >> > > > > > >I explained I was there to lecture on exactly that subject. When the >temperature of Aspartame exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME >coverts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes >metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire >ants.) The methanol toxicity mimics multiple sclerosis; thus, people were >being diagnosed with having multiple sclerosis in error. The multiple >sclerosis is not a death sentence, where methanol toxicity is. >> > > > > > >In the case of systemic lupus, we are finding it has become almost as rampant >as multiple sclerosis, especially in Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. Also, >with methanol toxicity, the victims usually drink three to four 12 oz. cans >of them per day, some even more. In the cases of systemic lupus, which is >triggered by ASPARTAME, the victim usually does not know that the aspartame >is the culprit. > >The victim continues its use aggravating the lupus to such a degree, that >sometimes it becomes life threatening. When we get people off the aspartame, >those with systemic lupus usually become asymptotic. Unfortunately, we cannot >reverse this disease. On the other hand, in the case of those diagnosed with >Multiple Sclerosis, (when in reality, the disease is methanol toxicity), most >of the symptoms disappear. We have seen cases where their vision has returned >and even their hearing has returned. This also applies to cases of tinnitus. > >During a lecture I said "If you are using ASPARTAME [NutraSweet, >Equal,Spoonful, etc.] and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, >shooting pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches, >tinnitus, joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred >vision, or memory loss, you probably have ASPARTAME DISEASE!"
Re: CS>submerged arc CS Report #1
Fantastic Ole' Bob! I wonder - is there any chance of us getting to see a TEM on this? I'd really be interested to see how the particles "size out". I remain heartily unconvinced that such a turbid solution contains the "smallest" particles, but I'm certainly willing to be proven wrong. Perhaps now we may get an opportunity to start to see the efficacy of ionic vs. particle silver? I'm certainly not qualified to make any real educated guesses on the process. However, ultimately, it's the end results that are going to count! - Original Message - From: Robert L. Berger To: Silver-list Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: CS>submerged arc CS Report #1 > Hi Ya'all, > > This is the forst of a series of reports detailing my adventure with > submerged arc CS. > > It is a "strange animal." > > I have made two runs and a third is in progress now. > > Ihave made a floating electrode assembly similiar to Bill Fernald's, but > question is that is necessary for silver as things havppen very fast, > and there is no evaporation of water. With gold that is another story > which will not be looked at for awhile. > > The first batch was one gallon with equal sized electrodes using 12 kv > but it didin't work to well. Arc sustain problems. It looked like > regular HVAC ARC CS but had a bright red T.E. with no sparklies. > > Batch #2 used one #14 and 0ne #18 silver with 6 liters of 0.22 uS/cc DW. > In 40 minutes I had a CS with a turpidity and color as Frank show on his > web site. The Spect reading was 5.17 ppm ionic with a conductance of > 10.0 uS/cc. After 24 hours the conductance was 7.7 uS/cc and the ionic > ppm was 2.42. > > To test for particle content I placed 50 cc of CS in a test tube and add > 5 cc of 35% H2O2. After several hours this was tested with the spec and > found an adjusted ppm for dilution with H2O2 to be 12.7 ppm. > > I quess this says that sub-arc CS is 16% ionic and 84% particle. > > I find it most interesting that both the ppm and conductance dropped > overnight. > > Comments. Please, > > "Ole Bob" > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
CS>Calculated H2O2 concentrations for use in distilled water or colloidal silver
Greetings all... Having triple checked the math, and being reasonably certain of the formula employed, I have added a conversion form that automatically calculates H2O2 dilutions for use in distilled water,colloidal silver, ect. Of course, this function would work for any two solution combinations for strength calculations. Feel free to check out the form directly: http://silverdata.20m.com/conversion%20form.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Chemistry/Algebra Equation
Thanks for the response Frank, but I need to check the validity of the actual algebra formula - I'm writing a simple form-based converter that would allow one to simply punch in the container size and desired strength - Original Message - From: Frank Key To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:36 AM Subject: Re: CS>Chemistry/Algebra Equation > > > Would someone mind checking my equation? > > > > Taking a one ounce 35% H2O2 solution and diluting down to a 3% solution is > > taking 11 ounces of water and adding roughly one ounce of 35% H2O2... This > > is ROUGHLY a 11:1 ratio, right? > > > > To make 100 ml of 3%, use 8.57 ml of 35% and the rest DI water. > > frank key > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
CS>Chemistry/Algebra Equation
Greetings all! Would someone mind checking my equation? Taking a one ounce 35% H2O2 solution and diluting down to a 3% solution is taking 11 ounces of water and adding roughly one ounce of 35% H2O2... This is ROUGHLY a 11:1 ratio, right? The formula I'm using to try to be a bit more accurate for concentrations is: For a ~ four ounce container: Amount of distilled water = y Amount of 35% H2O2 = 4- y Final Solution = 4 ounces Equation: % solution 1 X ( amount ) + % solution 2 X (amount) = % ending solution X ending amount .35(4-y) + 0y = 4 X .03 1.4 - .35y = .12 -.35y = -1.28 y = 3.65 ounces ( amount of distilled water ) amount of H2O2 = .343 ounces Right? Thanks... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>dateline
You would not believe the real advances in anti-aging drugs. I doubt that the people whom I'm referring to actually attend these conferences, but I have an associate who is one of ten thousand people in the world on a specific protocol. It's taken 40 years off. If you were to see a picture of him at age 35 and one at age 75, you would think that the 35 year old was the older man. Whoever he is actually going through, those guys don't NEED to promote, their waiting list is extraordinary. It's all illegal in the US, so he has to fly to, I believe, South America, where the European doctors operate out of. The protocol is VERY expensive ( not necessarily the drugs themselves, but the conjunctant lifestyle that MUST be developed as a part of the protocol ). It's highly unlikely that these people will offer their services to the mass market. When I first met this associate, I was 25 years old and in relatively good shape, but this 70 year old individual could outperform me in every physical activity with the exception, MAYBE, of long distance running. He's gotten younger and more fit since then. quote from Alphaville: "Let's dance in style, let's dance for awhile Heaven can wait we're only watching the sky Hoping for the best but expecting the worst Are you gonna drop the Bomb or not? "Let us die young or let us live forever We don't have the power but we never say never Sitting in a sandpit life is a short trip The Music's for the sad men. "Can you imagine when this race is won? Turn our golden faces into the sun Praising our leaders We're getting in tune The music's played by the madmen. "Forever young, I want to be Forever Young Do you really want to live forever? Forever, and ever Young." "Some are like water Some are like the heat Some are a melody And some are the beat Sooner or later, they all will be gone Why don't they stay young? It's so hard to get old without a cause I don't want to perish like a fading horse Youth's like diamonds in the sun And diamond's are forever. So many adventures couldn't happen today So many songs we forgot to play So many dreams swinging out of the blue We'll let them come true..." - Original Message - From: annho...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:57 AM Subject: CS>dateline I don't know if any of you caught Dateline the other evening. They did a "hidden camera" piece on the Anti Aging Conferences (LasVegas and elsewhere). They only revealed a few anti aging modalities which I thought for sure CS would be one. The TV crew spoke with everyone with the hidden camera then came back with a very evident camera in tow, looking to interview these same people and discuss there wonderful products. As soon as the vendors saw the camera, most would not comment. Not the fellow with the Rife machine though, he kept right on touting the benefits of his equipment. I had not heard of the Anti Aging Conferences, I guess you have to get on a mailing list. Still wondering if someone might have had a CS booth there, as there were so many alternative modalities. Terri L.
Re: CS>Proof of homeopathy?
Greetings all... That's an excellent point about frequencies. Here is where the realm of mysticism and the realm of science briefly brush shoulders, though it often ( and quite sadly ) repels them both. Here is one extremely important reason why it might prove unwise to throw away ionic silver for particle silver, even though a high quality batch of particle silver might prove more useful MEDICALLY under some, if not many, circumstances ( great work on your website Frank! ). Let's consider: A properly asked question answers itself. Most modalities that attempt to address phenominon about frequency control, healing, and other phenominon are working from the WRONG perspective. >From a scientific viewpoint, one must be clear on the point that time and space are not constants but variable conditions. The proof if this, which has stemmed primarily from Einstein's theories of relativity, has been established as fact through experimentation though it is not understood at all. The most recent experiments in the European super-colloider have demonstrated an "impossible" connection between substances that have no detectable physical bonds. The two facts which can be readily stated from this experimentation is that 1) No detectable bond exists yet 2) There is a demonstratable relationship that does exist. An in depth study of extreme mysticism reveals a very interesting observation: In the beginning of the universe, the first principle to emerge is Energy ( I say IS, because time is a variable condition, a field, and not a line ), "followed" by Space, followed by Time. Therefore, Time is a function of Space which is a function of energy. Energy is the only truly quantifiable principle in this ternary ( Which is why, upon manifestation of space, space becomes infinite, and which is why upon the manifestation of Time, time becomes infinite, it's also why linear based mathmatics is only "correct" in two dimensional thinking ( which can express, but not encompass, a three dimensional model ) ). Rather than get DEEPLY off topic, I'd briefly like to make the point of two STATES of energy that are important to the discussion: 1) projection, whereby lower forms of energy appear to move from point a to point b, like electrons traveling through a wire, or photons travelling through fiber optic lines and 2) emination, whereby energy manifests in a field ( the only example that is readily available through a scientific standpoint is gravity or magnetism ). Now, when a TRUE healer ( there are several different forms ) heals by the "laying on of hands", the researchers are wrong about what is happening. Although it might APPEAR that energy is going from the healer to the "patient", what is actually occuring is that a field is being established and extended, and the patient's body begins to eminate in resonance with this field. The difference, while at first it might appear to be inconsequential, is quite significant. To look at a different example, with practioners of Qi Gong and other related physical practices, kenetic energy is generated and transferred. A highly, highly trained practioner of advanced Haikido and Qi Gong can actually render someone unconscious using these methods in healing practices. To make a long story short, when one uses frequencies to treat conditions, what one is actually doing is creating a standing wave. It's not the frequencies that are significant ( although they, in this case, are the catalyst ), but the standing wave itself. Since the basic nature of the universe itself is ONE system, it IN REALITY is harder to create the forms of energy we use on a daily basis than to create standing waveforms IN the SPACE/time field THROUGH subtle manipulation of energy. To demonstrate to ONESELF how a similiar principle works, take a large bowl of processed sea salt, put a non-reactive THIN glove on one hand, and submerge it completely into the dry sea salt. See how long you can keep your hand there, and be observant to the physical feelings one experiences. Now, there is no chemical reaction occuring. If one properly preserves the sea salt, ten thousand people can experience the same thing, and the sea salt remains ( more or less ) unchanged from a scientific standpoint. Take the glove off of the hand and repeat the same thing for an increased effect. Now, where all of this just might apply to colloidal silver: the higher the energy potential of a substance, the more one theoretically can pre-pattern standing wave forms. This CANNOT be easily scientifically studied. If you fire morphine into the blood stream, it's going to always have a measurable effect, because the action is physical and chemical. Not the case with such substances, because most people have no idea the variables that must be accounted for, yet alone have the ability to quantify them. We just don't have the technology at this time ( the closest we can come is to measure the by-products of such things ) HOWEVER,
Re: CS>Tyndall yet clear
I'd be interested in viewing such a photo... Using a salt or saline solution primer also produces a milky white substance... - Original Message - From: Frank Key To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: Re: CS>Tyndall yet clear > Roger wrote: > > > > Frank: How do you explain the milky appearance for very small particles, or > > very large ones, for that matter, if, as Marshall says, light from the > > visible part of the spectrum of not adsorbed in either case? Roger > > For very small particles, the absorbed light is way below UV and the complement is also way below UV, so no coloration is apparent. Since a high concentration of particles will absorb light to some extent across the entire visible spectrum without causing coloration, the solution then appears as a white milky solution. > > If anyone is really interested I will take a photo of such a solution and post it on my web site. I routinely make 5 to 10 ppm all particles in the 10-30 nm range. These all appear white and milky. > > > frank key > www.silver-colloids.com > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
