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RE: speech friendly email client

2022-10-29 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Butch,

You may have to switch, but please know that Becky does support the relatively 
new OAUTH2 or whatever it is that Gmail requires.  You might have to upgrade to 
the latest version of Becky to get it, though.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 5:28 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: BK 
Subject: speech friendly email client

Hello, I have been using Becky as my email client. But because of security 
upgrades with my ISP, which is Comcast, I am probably going to have to switch 
to a newer email program. Can someone recommend a speech friendly email client 
for windows 10? Thanks for any help.

Butch

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RE: JAWS and Eloquence

2021-03-02 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Larry,

There might be an answer for this because there are a number of different 
settings within JAWS that affects punctuation.  I would second the suggestion 
that somebody else made that you contact Vispero Technical Support and raise 
your question there.  Ironically, they have made some changes to the interface 
to Eloquence in the most recent versions of JAWS involving the volume.  

This won't get you there completely, but when I turn punctuation off, I find 
that there are still no pauses, but the voice inflection seems to indicate the 
end of a sentence.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 6:36 AM
To: Loy Green via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: JAWS and Eloquence

This may indeed not be an issue for every Eloquence user, to each his 
own. However, although I wasn't even aware that NVDA came with 
Eloquence, if I use Code Factory's version of Eloquence, the pauses are 
the same as WE. The only issue I have with CF is that it goes a step 
above and a step below my preferred reading speed, but I have ways of 
getting around that. I can use Goldwave's text to speech to create .mp3 
files for listening to long stretches for books and such.


What can I say?, if most people actually prefer to have their speech 
delivery this way, then more power to them, but for me, it takes a heck 
of a lot of getting used too.


On 3/2/2021 5:06 AM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
> This has not really bothered me. I turned on WE and did notice the
> difference. I also tried NVDA with Eloquence and it is like JAWS with no
> pauses. Maybe it was WE that changed Eloquence to have the pauses?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Larry Higgins via Talk" 
> To: "WindowEyes List" 
> Cc: "Larry Higgins" 
> Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 11:15 AM
> Subject: JAWS and Eloquence
>
>
> Listers,
>
> I know that this is a list devoted to our beloved Window-Eyes, and
> die-hards like you and me, so excuse having to bring up the fish.
>
> As it is, I am an occasional user of said screen reader, but for me
> there has been a major turnoff since the very first time I
> attempted to befriend the thing . It goes as follows. And I
> really hope that some of you have dealt with this issue successfully.
>
> It would seem that the folks who write the codes for JAWS have chosen to
> muck with their version of the Eloquence synthesizer, and by doing so,
> have messed up the pacing of it's delivery.
>
> The problem as I have experienced it is the matter of how Eloquence
> manages sentences. Instead of an appropriate pausing between sentences,
> JAWS Eloquence takes no pause at all for periods, but continues in a
> kind of blue streak affect that doesn't give one even enough
> time to digest the sentence as its own entity, you might say.
>
> I definitely prefer WE's pacing when it comes to sentences in
> particular. I'm not talking about a pregnant pause between sentences
> like you would get if you set it up to make such pauses, but a more
> natural pause in the manner of the Window-Eyes presentation.
>
>
> I hope this is all making sense, but it seems to me that some of you
> Eloquence users might know just what I am talking about, and also how to
> solve the problem. But who knows, maybe JAWS has simply created through
> their own version of Eloquence this issue,
> and that their is no solution at all other than a slight rewrite of
> their code which I'm sure I would have to move heaven and earth to
> convince them to do.
>
> Speaking of code, when I use my Code Factory Eloquence, the sentence
> pacing is correct, but they have their speed settings such that it goes
> a step either above or below my preferred reading level.
> I don't consider myself to be a total slow-poke when it comes to
> reading, though I like to set my reading speed at 41 when using
> Window-Eyes, a leisurely pace for me, but I am not quite sure of the
> exact speed that WE would indicate if they had been using Code Factory
> as their default version of Eloquence.
>
> Anyway, if some kind user would please tell me if indeed there is or is
> not a solution for this, and for me anyway, major issue, I would really
> appreciate hearing from you.
>
> Unfortunately, I'm going to have to get serious about learning JAWS, as
> my yearly subscription started in September of last year, but WE is
> still working reasonably for the apps I most often use, though less and
> less so it seems with each new update. But, I'm going to have to decide
> if it is worth paying that annual subscription fee to maintain it, or
> start focusing on NVDA or Narrator as my screen reader of choice.
>
> A big thanks in advance for any advice you all might have on this issue,
>
>
> Larry
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

2021-02-20 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

I would also suggest calling Microsoft's Disability Answer Desk at 800-936-5900 
And ask how best to upgrade.  There have been some special upgrade prices for 
people using screen readers.  Although some have expired, there is always a 
chance that some could still be in effect.

You also have to consider your hardware.  I had a parallel port card that would 
not work under Windows 10 and even kept it from loading.  I think the upgrade 
is worth it, and mostly it will go smoothly, but set aside a day or even a 
weekend to do it.  If it only takes a couple of hours, then you have time to 
party.  Sometimes screen readers have to be re-installed.  If you are using 
Window-Eyes, be sure you have a copy you can install from a CD or a disk image. 
 You will be able to run Windows Narrator for most of the upgrade.  Also make 
sure you have software that you use a lot in a form that it can be 
re-installed.  The upgrade process does move a lot of software, but it isn't 
perfect.  Some hardware, Scanners and Printers particularly, will not have 
drivers under Windows 10, but this is pretty rare.

I am not trying to talk you out of this because I think it is worth upgrading.  
However, your upgrade will go better if you are prepared for any difficulties 
ahead of time.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:09 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Richard Petty 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

I'm afraid I don't have a good answer. Windows 10 came with a new computer.
I had used Windows 7 for so long on the previous computer, I just decided to
do everything all at once--to get a new computer with Windows 10 and Load
Microsoft Office. I expect you will find copies of Windows 10 on Amazon. It
is a good place to check the price, although I always recommend buying
software very carefully on Amazon. Reading the reviews shows many have bad
experiences.

You could call Microsoft Sales at 877-696-7786 and surely they will give you
a price over the phone.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brendan via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Brendan 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Richard,

I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten,
can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.
Take Care
Brendan


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it

RE: Microsoft Teams

2020-12-12 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Debra,



I was a Window-Eyes user for many, many years and am therefore still on this 
list.  I am not using Window-Eyes now, so I can't say how accessible Teams is 
with Window-/Eyes, although I would be surprised if it was not at least 
somewhat useable.  If there is a newer technology being used that Window-Eyes 
doesn't capture, you can probably do all right with NVDA.  However, here is 
some information I stored from somewhere else about Teams that you might find 
useful.



1.To mute yourself, use Ctrl + Shift + M.

2.To send or read instant messages, go to the Chat Tab using Ctrl + 
2.

3.Additional Teams Resources




 *   Accessibility support for Microsoft 
Teams
 *   Quick Start Guide: Moving from Skype for Business to Microsoft Teams 
for people using a screen 
reader
 *   Using Microsoft Teams with a Screen Reader: Frequently Asked 
Questions
 *   Use a screen reader to explore and navigate Microsoft 
Teams
 *   Keyboard shortcuts for Microsoft 
Teams
 *   Basic tasks when using a screen reader with Microsoft 
Teams
 *   Use a screen reader to join a meeting in Microsoft 
Teams

Teams has a lot of options and it is also somewhat complicated software.  There 
is a learning curve to using it.  However, there are a lot of keyboard 
shortcuts, and they may overcome whatever limitations that Window-Eyes may have 
with Teams.  I hope this is of some help.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Debra Hill via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:12 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Debra Hill 
Subject: Microsoft Teams



Hi,



My work group is to start having meeting using Microsoft Teams.  In reading

on it, it seems it is not accessible with WE.  Does anyone on the list know

of a web site which offers tutorials or knows more about Teams?





Thanks for any suggestions!  Have a blessed day!





Deborah





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RE: Have No View

2020-04-05 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Pat,

I know it is frustrating, but since this is happening to you and you are right 
there, there are things you already know that we don't know so it isn't easy to 
know what to tell you.  Can we assume, for example, that your computer is 
booting up and that speech is starting?  Did the monitor work all right at some 
point in Windows 10?  I assume it must have worked for the person who helped 
you be certain that the upgrade completed.  Is this a desktop computer so that 
there is only one display connected, that being your monitor?  Is there some 
kind of light on the monitor indicating for certain that it is receiving power 
and is turned on?  Of course, checking the cable as has already been suggested 
makes good sense.  If all of these assumptions are true, then it is probably 
worth rebooting a few times with the monitor on to make sure it is correctly 
detected.  Possibly some part of the upgrade didn't complete regarding the 
detection of your monitor.  Is there any chance that you have a s
 eparate video output for a projector and that your monitor is connected to 
that output?  I am running Windows 10 and I have an LCD monitor that I 
routinely leave off but turn on when needed and that is working for me, so 
there isn't anything about Windows 10 that would prevent that from happening 
unless it is related to your specific setup.  I am sorry if this seems vague or 
unresponsive, but we could be assuming things that are not the case in our 
answers.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of krinke1968--- via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 9:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: krinke1...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Have No View

Thank you, everyone!

I must not have explained myself very well.  In the past when the monitor 
was turned on, a sighted person would see what was on the screen.  Now that 
does not happen.  Now can anyone help?
p

-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 4:29 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Have No View

   u can go into setting themes, personalization, related
settings, and there is an option to placeicons like this computer,
recycle, control panel, user folder and more there. for your apps you
need to create them if they don't automatically put one on the desktop when
you install the app.
- Original Message - 
From: "net bat2 via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "net bat2" 
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Have No View


> more info please.
> if no other programs have been installed there would only be one icon, the 
> recycle bin.
> windows 10 puts most programs in the start menu in the apps list. 
> including window eyes. if you want desktop icons you have to create them 
> manually.
> i think in the sys tray there is the option to hide  or unhide the desktop 
> icons.
> i think w e will still work with the desktop hidden.
> if you can get to windows update i would check there to see if maybe there 
> is a video driver update that need to be installed.
> it could be several things.
> if you move the mouse if you have one does the screen wake up? if so the 
> screen saver may be activating
> it could be going into sleep mode. but in this mode it usually turns 
> speech off.
> these settings would be in the control panel in power settings.
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: krinke1968--- via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:46 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: krinke1...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Have No View
>
> A neighbor installed Windows 10 on my machine.  However, my husband sees
> nothing when the monitor is on.  Does anyo0ne kn ow how to fix this??  The
> neighbor won'[t respond to me.  I have WE 9.5.4.
>
> Thank you, and
> Happy Easter
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RE: email

2019-11-09 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Tony,

I know of others using Windows Mail with some success with other screen 
readers.  Have you tried it with NVDA or Narrator to see if you have the same 
issues that you are having with Window-Eyes?  One of the issues that will be 
faced for certain at some point is that other screen readers are doing a lot on 
an on-going basis to keep up with changes to programs like Outlook, and even 
Window-Eyes is still using a lot of the work done in the past.  It is possible 
that some aspects of Windows Mail could work better with the right Window-Eyes 
"app" but it isn't that easy to make that happen now.  

The Becky email program is not free but is only something like $35 and there is 
no charge for upgrades.  You have to change a few settings and the interface is 
a little different but I believe it is still working with Window-Eyes.  That 
might be worth a look and they have a trial period.  You can check out

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm#download

but remember you have to disable the "Line Pointer" in the "edit" tab of 
"general Setup and also the "Four Way Cursor" option in the Message tab of the 
same dialog.  This simply means unchecking the associated check boxes.  That 
program is still being updated but their updates seem to be very carefully done.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft regularly 
improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the best 
opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.

joseph hudson

Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows 
support 

FaceTime, iMessage, and email

jhud7...@twc.com

Telephone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency cell

254-813-2461

Twitter
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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, 
> it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony
> 
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RE: Help needed: Deleting multiple files

2019-10-10 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Morene,

Whether this works for email will depend upon the email program you use and 
perhaps even the version.  I just tried it on Outlook that I get with Office 
365 and it did work as described.  The best thing to suggest is that you give 
it a try on messages you were going to delete anyway.  Of course, if you delete 
a message you wanted to keep, you should be able to move it from your trash or 
"deleted" folder back into your in-box.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 12:40 PM
To: cur...@calweb.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Norene Trappa 
Subject: Re: Help needed: Deleting multiple files

Thanks.  Will this also work on emails as well if they have accumulated, 
which they do?  Big problem for me.  SMILE!

Norene

-Original Message- 
From: Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 11:51 AM
To: David via Talk
Cc: Curtis Delzer
Subject: Re: Help needed: Deleting multiple files

you probably have lots of answers by now, though since this is what I
do, I'll outline it for you.

Find the first file you wish to delete, hold down the control key, go to
the next file you wish to delete, press space bar, go to the next file
you wish to delete, tap the space bar, (remember during all this the
control key is held down), and so forth until you have hit space bar on
all the files you wish to remove.

Now, after letting up on control, hit delete.

If you wish to truly delete all those files and don't wish them in
recycle bin, hit control delete.

You should get a prompt which is a wee bit different than "moving to
recycle bin." :)

Hope this helps, though late. Was on a cruise and still catching up on mail.

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

*still use window-eyes and glad I do *
cur...@calweb.com

On 9/28/2019 6:29 AM, David via Talk wrote:
> Running Win7.
>
>
> Listers,
>
> I have tried figuring this out, but seem to be blank-minded today.
> Anyone has some experience, please let me know.
>
>
> I have a folder, holding numerous files. I open it in Windows Explorer,
> and arrow my way down through the list of files.
>
>
> It occurs, that I need to delete several of the files. Fine, if they had
> been right next to each other, I would have used the Shift-Arrow
> combinations - selecting the files to be deleted, and then press Del-key.
>
>
> Thing is, the files are spread out  all over the list. I need to delete
> say file number 1, 4 and 6. So exactly
>
> how
>
> do I go about that one. I searched the net, and it said to use the
> CTRL-key, along with the mouse. If I hold the CTRL along with the Slash
> or Star on the numeric keypad, simulating the Left or Right clicks on
> the mouse, I only hear
>
> "Slash"
>
> and
>
> "Star"
>
> spoken, and nothing else happens.
>
>
> It further claimed you alternatively should use CTRL-Space, and it would
> select the file currently focused. Thing is, I tried that one too, and
> it still does not work. So what is the clue?
>
>
> How does one select multiple files, in Windows Explorer, with the use of
> WinEyes.
>
>
> To make it more complicated for you, I did try yet another approach. I
> used the Insert-Del combination on the numeric keypad. It gave me the
> chance to
>
>   MARK
>
> but when I did choose to let it do so, on each of the files in question,
> and then pressed Del to delete - Only the currently focused file will be
> deleted. In other words, none of the other files I thought I had marked,
> did actually receive any marking.
>
>
> Hope all of this makes any sense. By The Way, is this kind of operation
> more accessible in either of the other Screen Readers, NVDA or Jaws. If
> so, what's the procedure, please?
>
>
> Thanks all,
>
>
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RE: changes in drop box

2019-10-04 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

John,

I also have version 82.4.155 that Rod mentions.  I set up my own desktop 
shortcut to go to the Dropbox folder, so that could make a difference, but 
using that shortcut works fine.  My understanding is that they did update their 
software and possibly their website and it does cause us some problems.  There 
is said to be a way to restore some of the old behavior as I understand it, but 
I don't know what it is.  I don't blame you for feeling frustrated, but to make 
sure we are all on the same page, try navigating to your DropBox folder using 
Windows Explorer rather than using any shortcuts and see if that works all 
right.  It doesn't seem likely that their software would change how your 
Windows Explorer interface works, although it might affect the "View".  If that 
doesn't work, tell us what menu items you get when you go to the nonfunctioning 
dropbox window.  In particular, if there is a "View" menu, select that and down 
arrow to see if there is a "Details" item, press ENTER on that, a
 nd see if that helps.  It seems most likely that you are still going through 
the software when you are looking at your DropBox files.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: RE: changes in drop box

Hi John,

That of courseis an option as well but I wondered if others whos drop box
has been updated are encountering the same problem?

I just checked with jws and the problem appears to be very similar except
not much works there.

Live long and prosper, John

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RE: Reading cells and fields in xl

2019-08-11 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Also, I am not certain of pressing SPACE and then F2.  Be sure to read any 
dialogs that pop up before pressing the next key.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

I think if you go to file then options you will eventually come to
trust center where you can fix this problem globally.  
On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 04:11:59 -0400,
Mike via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, this doesn't appear to work on my machine.  After
> pressing f6 followed by space f2 I get the same message about
> protected mode.  Many thanks though for taking the time to reply.
> 
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> 
> Mike.
> 
> On 11/08/2019 00:42, Moe Adl via Talk wrote:
> > Press F6 to take it out of protection mode. Then you can use Space F2.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Aug 10, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Mike via Talk  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Everyone
> >> 
> >>   I occasionally receive xl spread sheets that I need to be able to read 
> >> character and numbers individually.The files are protected and so I can't 
> >> use f2.  Is there any way, using Window-eyes that I can cursor across 
> >> names and numbers?
> >> 
> >>   With thanks in advance
> >> 
> >>Mike.
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RE: Off-Topic: Braille Translation Software

2019-07-20 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

David,

For many years, I loosely guided work that was done on NFBTRANS, a free braille 
translator.  Randy Formenti did the real heavy lifting.  However, that software 
could not easily be modified for UEB.  Also, the American Printing House has 
developed a free translator called Braille Blaster that does a pretty good job 
and handles much more than NFBTRANS did.  Plus, it relies on the LIBLOUIS open 
source translation library so there is multi-language capability and 
corrections are made.  BrailleBlaster works somewhat similarly to Duxbury 
although it isn't as mature a product.  Rather than being a batch process, you 
bring text into it, add formatting styles to the degree you want to do that, 
and then emboss directly from there similar to Duxbury.  It has multiple 
windows so you can even jump over and see what the formatted braille will look 
like as long as you are familiar with which characters are equivalent to 
certain dot patterns.  

Also, BrailleBlaster includes an open source document converter called PanDoc 
which allows other document types including those created by Microsoft Word to 
be brought into BrailleBlaster with some formatting included.  It seems to 
convert Microsoft Word styles better than specific codes, but one can learn to 
create a document in Word that will come out with some desired formatting if 
one is more comfortable with that.

If you can recover your Duxbury key, I would urge you to do that since you've 
already put some money into that.  However, in the meantime or if you can't, 
check out BrailleBlaster at

http://www.brailleblaster.org

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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To: WE English Mailinglist 
Cc: David 
Subject: Off-Topic: Braille Translation Software

Don't know if any of you listers own a Braille Embosser. Just wondered 
if someone happen to know of any OK translation software.


I did use Duxbury in the past, but have lost my license key. And from 
what I can make out of it, that package is not exactly cheap.


Basically, I need just a piece of software, that will format a plain 
text, into something printable in Braille. Of course, it will be best if 
it manages Grade-Two, as well.


If any of you would have some brand name, or some kind of experience to 
share, please let me know. Contact me off-list, that we don't clutter 
the traffic here.


If nothing else, I would have to write my own little piece of software, 
to handle the few printing jobs I need. Does there exist any booklets, 
that define the printing rules of American Grade-Two (contracted) 
Braille? Anything up-to-date available on the net?


Thanks for any feedback.


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RE: In a real jam

2019-06-05 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Larry,

When you brought up the context menu, are you sure that you had a zip file 
selected?  For example, if you delete a file, sometimes no file is selected 
even if the current file is a zip file.  The MS person would probably have seen 
that, though.

Also, did you have an old 7-zip install file that you used or did you download 
the latest?  Be sure to get the latest file.  Sorry if this has already been 
covered.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 1:34 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: In a real jam

     Well Listers,


I really managed to get myself into one this time. I sure hope someone 
can help me out of this mess.


Just last week, it became necessary to replace my Dell PC with another
one, so this time I went with an HP. I'm pretty sure that makes no
real difference in terms of my present issue.

On my Dell, I had 7Zip running in my context menu for extracting, and or
zipping files, and became quite comfortable with it. So, thought I'd
try putting it on my new system. I downloaded the 64bit
edition of the program, and it showed up in my context menu as it
should, but out of all the options available, it had no option for
extracting files.


I should say, I at least can find no such option.


Now, this could make it totally impossible to extract either Bookshare,

or NLS Talking Books on my system.

I called the MS Answer Desk this morning, and asked the guy assigned to
help me if he couldn't possibly restore the default program used by
Windows, but he did something I was kind of surprised at. He replaced
the extraction option with Win zip, and I can find no option for
extracting files with Win zip either.

To make matters worse, he installed an evaluation copy, which I will
have to pay for, provided I end up getting it to cooperate.

I sure hope I don't have to do anything drastic, like refreshing
Windows, but at least this time, I do have cloud storage backup.

This really shouldn't have been this complicated. Sure wish I'd left
well enough alone.

If anybody has any ideas, or real assistance to provide in getting out
of this one, it sure would be gratefully appreciated.

Maybe a bit of phone assistance might be in order. If someone wants to
volunteer, please kindly answer me off list.


Got any ideas Rod ?


Sincerely,


Larry


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RE: WE and IE 11

2018-06-27 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Hi,

If you are on a button that you can't activate and you don't want to close
and restart Internet Explorer, there are a few things to be sure to try
first.  If the button is in the tab order. SHIFT TAB and then TAB back to
it.  It is sometimes worth pressing ALT-TAB to move away from Internet
Explorer and then ALT-TAB to get back to it.  Turning Browse Mode off and on
can sometimes unstick things.  If you can tab to the button in question with
Browse Mode off, that can work as well.  Of course, restarting Window-Eyes
might be an answer as well.  Finally, routing the mouse pointer to the
button and pressing the left click key, usually NUMPAD SLASH, might work.
If one of these suggestions works, it might be a shortcut around the problem
for now.

Now that I have had to move to JAWS and have experimented with other screen
readers, I have found that it is very possible that problems you encounter
are not strictly caused by Window-Eyes.  In all fairness, some problems can
be caused by how a web browser and a screen reader interact.  Still, I have
become increasingly frustrated with Internet Explorer and other screen
readers as well.  Unfortunately, there is no perfect combination.  I have
tried to use Google Chrome more, and sometimes it is very much better than
Internet Explorer, but I have some sites where Internet Explorer still works
the best.  Some of what you are experiencing might well be happening even if
Window-Eyes was still being developed, but given where things stand, being
familiar with other browsers and other screen readers even if not JAWS is
something that is worth your time, unfortunately.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson



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[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 10:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy Green 
Subject: WE and IE 11

I am still using Window Eyes and Windows 10. I have noticed that on some
sites I can't activate a button. Sometimes I can shut down We and then the
button will activate. This also can happen when ZoomText is running. I can't
determine if this is a We and ZT problem or just an IE problem. Maybe I need
to change to FF or chrome. Has other noticed this?
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RE: update problem

2018-05-18 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Anthony,

When a message like that comes up, you can open the Action Center on the
System Tray and you will find that message there.  If you press ENTER on the
message, you will be brought to a Window that shows information about
updates including the one that is not completing.  There will be an error
code associated with that message but it isn't that easy to find or read,
and I don't know the best way to tell you how to find it with Window-eyes
since I don't have Window-Eyes on the computer that is giving me this
problem.  If you get the error code, searching for it with Google might give
you information.  I have to tell you, though, that doing all of this has not
helped me resolve the problem I am having.  I am going to just wait a while
to see if Microsoft eventually figures out why the updates are failing on
certain computers.  It is most likely that there is some incompatibility on
my computer and possibly on yours that they will have to address.  Sorry I
can't be more helpful.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 9:15 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: anthony borg <anthonyborg...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: update problem

Hi steve
My problem is that evrytime I try to do the updates as usual by pressing the
restart from the desktop. After the restart the updates remain there. 
I even tried to do it manually but it didn't work either. 
When I finish the restart, about a minute or 2 I get a notification saying
that the updates couldn't be finished. 
I hope you would be able to understand my explanation. 
Thanks in advance 
Anthony

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Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>
Subject: RE: update problem

Anthony,

I know of others who have had some problems.  What problem did you encounter
and how did you resolve it? Your experience might help someone else.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 6:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: anthony borg <anthonyborg...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: update problem

Hi folks
Just to let you know that I have managed to resolve the update problem. 
Regards
Anthony 

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Sent: 27 April 2018 14:44
To: anthony borg via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>
Subject: update problem

Hi Anthony,
I don't use Outlook. But I just looked at the keyboard shortcuts page for
Outlook because I thought perhaps Control+Shift+B was in the Window-Eyes
scripts.
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/keyboard-shortcuts-for-outlook-3cde
b221-7ae5-4c1d-8c1d-9e63216c1efd
But Control+Shift+B is the native Outlook shortcut for the address book.
I then loaded NVDA because I still use Window-Eyes. I pressed NVDA+1 for key
describer mode. And Control+Shift+B is not a NVDA key combination. 
So you should be able to just press it without pressing the bypass
combination first.
Hth,
Tom

On 4/27/2018 8:24 AM, anthony borg via Talk wrote:
> Hi tom
> With window-eyes in outlook I used to use the insert key + b, and then 
> ctrl
> + shift + b, to go to the address book.
> But now unfortunately I don't know what I should use instead.
> I hope you will understand what I mean.
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> Regards
> Anthony
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
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> On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: 26 April 2018 21:08
> To: anthony borg via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: wexplanation
> 
> Hi Anthony,
> Yes. NVDA+F2 can be used anywhere because it's an NVDA key, just like 
> the Window-Eyes bypass key.
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 4/26/2018 2:03 PM, anthony borg via Talk wrote:
>> HI TOM
>> Mmany thanks for the info.
>> Is that can be used in outlook as well please?
>> Thanks in advance
>> Anthony
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+anthonyborg001=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
>> Sent: 26 April 2018 16:51
>> To: anthony borg via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>&g

RE: update problem

2018-05-11 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Anthony,

I know of others who have had some problems.  What problem did you encounter
and how did you resolve it? Your experience might help someone else.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Behalf Of anthony borg via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 6:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: anthony borg 
Subject: RE: update problem

Hi folks
Just to let you know that I have managed to resolve the update problem. 
Regards
Anthony 

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Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: 27 April 2018 14:44
To: anthony borg via Talk 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: update problem

Hi Anthony,
I don't use Outlook. But I just looked at the keyboard shortcuts page for
Outlook because I thought perhaps Control+Shift+B was in the Window-Eyes
scripts.
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/keyboard-shortcuts-for-outlook-3cde
b221-7ae5-4c1d-8c1d-9e63216c1efd
But Control+Shift+B is the native Outlook shortcut for the address book.
I then loaded NVDA because I still use Window-Eyes. I pressed NVDA+1 for key
describer mode. And Control+Shift+B is not a NVDA key combination. 
So you should be able to just press it without pressing the bypass
combination first.
Hth,
Tom


On 4/27/2018 8:24 AM, anthony borg via Talk wrote:
> Hi tom
> With window-eyes in outlook I used to use the insert key + b, and then 
> ctrl
> + shift + b, to go to the address book.
> But now unfortunately I don't know what I should use instead.
> I hope you will understand what I mean.
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> Regards
> Anthony
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+anthonyborg001=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: 26 April 2018 21:08
> To: anthony borg via Talk 
> Cc: Tom Kingston 
> Subject: Re: wexplanation
> 
> Hi Anthony,
> Yes. NVDA+F2 can be used anywhere because it's an NVDA key, just like 
> the Window-Eyes bypass key.
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 4/26/2018 2:03 PM, anthony borg via Talk wrote:
>> HI TOM
>> Mmany thanks for the info.
>> Is that can be used in outlook as well please?
>> Thanks in advance
>> Anthony
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+anthonyborg001=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
>> Sent: 26 April 2018 16:51
>> To: anthony borg via Talk 
>> Cc: Tom Kingston 
>> Subject: Re: wexplanation
>>
>> In NVDA it's NVDA key plus F2.
>> Hth,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 4/26/2018 8:24 AM, anthony borg via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi folks
>>> I'm using windows 10, and NVDA as a screen reader.
>>> Since I switched to NVDA when I tried to use the capslock key as an 
>>> insert key + b, for bypass. I noticed that it isn't working any more.
>>> So can someone explain to me if the bypass procedure applys for NVDA 
>>> as well?
>>> If not, is there another way how to do it with NVDA please?
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Anthony
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RE: Becky email problem

2018-04-03 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Mike,

Be sure you have made the changes that are recommended for screen readers.
Go to Tools, General Setup, and on the Message View tab, be sure to uncheck
the "Operate four-way button with cursor keys."  Go to the "Editor" tab and
uncheck the "Use Line Pointer."  While there, uncheck the show touch
keyboard option, although I don't know if that causes a problem.  

If you have done all of this already, try to maximize your screen and see if
that helps.

Best regards,

Steve

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Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 10:26 AM
To: Jaws Discussion Group 
Cc: Mike Rogers 
Subject: Becky email problem

When I try to read a reply that I'm writing, only part of the message shows
up being read by the screenreader.  It appears to be a problem in Becky, as
this happens with Jaws and Window Eyes.  Any suggestions?



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RE: top bottom index

2018-03-22 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

JAWS as a setting for "Top And Bottom Edge" in General settings.  I think
this will do what you want.  You can move through the choices with the SPACE
bar between announcing the edge, alerting with sound, or off.  If you open
quick settings with the JAWS key and the letter V, you can get there the
quickest by tabbing to the tree of options and then pressing the letter t.
I fount it on the fourth press or so.  Remember that if an application has
its own set of settings, changing this setting may only affect the running
application.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 6:12 PM
To: BK via Talk 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Re: top bottom index

Sorry, butch. I've barely skimmed the surface of JAWS.
Good luck,
Tom

On 3/22/2018 12:57 PM, BK via Talk wrote:
> Found it, thank you Tom. Now, do you or anyone on the list know if Jaws
> has an equivalent, speak top bottom, setting?
> 
> Butch
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RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

2018-02-21 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Obviously, there will probably come a time when Window-Eyes won't work.
However, it is really hard to draw conclusions from beta or insider builds
since persons in those programs won't know if problems that might exists
won't be solved before the final release.  Window-Eyes users should either
be somewhat familiar with Narrator or NVDA so that we are not without
alternatives if Window-Eyes should stop working.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:20 AM
To: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

Anyone on the list who is a part of the windows insider program?  They can 
tell us if window eyes will still work?

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:23 AM
To: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

We've already been told this about previous updates while in the beta
phase and WE is still working fine. So who knows. We'll just have to
wait and see.

On 2/21/2018 9:10 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
> Can anyone confirm if window eyes will still work with windows 10 1803?
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Re: Version 9.5.4

2018-02-20 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Patricia,

Besides pressing ALT and then using RIGHT ARROW to get to HELP, you should
be able to press ALT-H and then DOWN ARROW until you hear about, and then
press ENTER to open it.  
q
Once you get to the "About" dialog, you should be able to TAB through the
dialog and one of the read-only edit boxes should contain your serial
number.  Is it the "About" menu that is causing the problem or is getting
there the problem.  
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Patricia Krinke via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Patricia Krinke 
Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4

That does not do it!  What am I doing wrong?


Trish

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4

its not in the menu list. press the alt key to open the pull down menus. 
help
is there
in there you will find the help manualls, about, and check for updates, 
which
won't find any. grin

-Original Message- 
From: Patricia Krinke via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:32 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Patricia Krinke
Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4

Thank all of you for trying to help me; however, I cannot find HELP.
Control backslash does not open to what it used to.  Below is what control
backslash opens to:

Screen
Keyboard
Mouse
Hot Keys
Cursor Keys
General
Braille
Verbosity
Dictionary
User Windows
Association
Devices
Profile

Another suggestion?

Thank you,


Trish

-Original Message- 
From: Charles Adkins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Charles Adkins
Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4



Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 19, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Loy Green via Talk
>  wrote:
>
> Open the WE  control panel with control backslash and go to about under
> the help menu.
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Patricia Krinke via Talk
>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>  Cc: Patricia Krinke
>  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 3:15 PM
>  Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4
>
>
>  How does one get to the serial number nowadays?  I have forgotten how,
> and
>  maybe it doesn't matter anymore.
>
>
>  Trish
>
>  -Original Message- 
>  From: Loy Green via Talk
>  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:01 PM
>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>  Cc: Loy Green
>  Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4
>
>  Contact VFO. They were giving out links to download, but not sure if they
>  are still doing so.
>- Original Message - 
>From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
>To: Rod Hutton
>Cc: Donald L. Roberts
>Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:33 PM
>Subject: Version 9.5.4
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I need to reinstall Window-eyes 9.5.4 but cannot locate my CD.  I do of
>  course have my serial number but want to know if there is somewhere from
>  where I can download the CD.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Don Roberts
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RE: outlook 2016 question

2018-02-13 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Richard,

If I am understanding your problem, your in-box is empty but you expect
there should be more in it.  Is that correct?  I did not see the message you
responded to originally so don't knowif I have that right.

If you are having the problem with Focused In-Box that I had, tabbing when
you are in the in-box should get you to a button that says "Other In-box."
You will have to press TAB multiple times to get to it.  The ALT key will
not get you there.  Pressing that button should get you to all of your email
for this time only.

If you want to get rid of this option, you need to use the ALT key to bring
up the ribbon, and navigate to the "View" tab.  On my computer, pressing
ALT, waiting for the ribbon to come up, and then pressing the RIGHT ARROW
until you get to the View tab works.  Then press TAB until you get to the
Focused In-box button.  It will say it is checked if this is the problem.
Pressing SPACE or ENTER will clear the checkbox.  

It is possible I am not understanding your problem since I missed the
original note, but this happened to me a while back and this was the
solution.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75) [mailto:rkur...@schools.nyc.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:44 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: outlook 2016 question

I can't find anything that says other inbox. Where do you hit altv to find
this? When I do it while in the inbox that doesn't come up at all.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 9:33 AM
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Subject: RE: outlook 2016 question

Richard,

I missed part of this thread, but if you are not receiving email that you
believe you should be receiving, the Focused In-box "feature" was probably
turned on by an Outlook 2016 update.  If you tab around the message list
screen, you should find a button that says "Other In-box."  If you press
that you should get to the normal in-box.  If this is the case and you want
to turn that feature off, go to the "View" tab on the ribbon and uncheck the
"Focused In-box" option.  It may be identified as a "button" but it will say
it is checked when it is on.  When the Focus In-box feature is on, your
in-box will contain the email Microsoft believes you want to read first.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: outlook 2016 question

When I hit altvab what should be selected? I have nothing selected I have
show in groups unchecked which is what I want and I also have sort messages
in ascending order which is what I want. I didn't receive any messages at
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RE: outlook 2016 question

2018-02-13 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Richard,

I missed part of this thread, but if you are not receiving email that you
believe you should be receiving, the Focused In-box "feature" was probably
turned on by an Outlook 2016 update.  If you tab around the message list
screen, you should find a button that says "Other In-box."  If you press
that you should get to the normal in-box.  If this is the case and you want
to turn that feature off, go to the "View" tab on the ribbon and uncheck the
"Focused In-box" option.  It may be identified as a "button" but it will say
it is checked when it is on.  When the Focus In-box feature is on, your
in-box will contain the email Microsoft believes you want to read first.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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When I hit altvab what should be selected? I have nothing selected I have
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RE: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

2018-02-05 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Tom,

That is great, I'm glad it all worked.

Best regards,

Steve

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Subject: Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

Thanks, Steve.
I got an 8. So the home button worked and I just restored from my iCloud 
backup. So I'm all set.
Regards,
Tom


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> Tom,
> 
> My daughter bought an iPhone 10, and she says that pressing the power
button
> three times on that unit should bring up VoiceOver.  While there is no
HOME
> button, there is a physical location on the screen that serves as a HOME
> button that will give some feedback when your finger is on it.  On other
> devices, one presses the HOME button three times.
> 
> This process is configurable in settings, though.  One can change what
three
> presses of the HOME button or the POWER button on an iPhone 10 can do.  I
> suppose it is possible that this could be configured differently by
> different carriers.  Also, it is not easy to press the power button three
> times in rapid succession through some of the cases.  If you can't get it
to
> work with the case on, try it with the case removed so that you have more
> direct access to the physical power button.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
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> Cc: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?
> 
> Thanks Michael. Good to know.
> 
> 
> On 2/4/2018 9:51 PM, michael fridey via Talk wrote:
>> Just press the home button 5 times very fast and wait for voice over to
>> start talking.
>>
>> cheers Michael.
>>
>>
>> On 5/02/2018 1:35 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> I've got a new iPhone coming tomorrow and assume Siri won't work out
>>> of the box and the triple button press isn't on by default. Any way to
>>> get it talking or do I have to wait for eyes?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom
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RE: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

2018-02-05 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Tom,

My daughter bought an iPhone 10, and she says that pressing the power button
three times on that unit should bring up VoiceOver.  While there is no HOME
button, there is a physical location on the screen that serves as a HOME
button that will give some feedback when your finger is on it.  On other
devices, one presses the HOME button three times.  

This process is configurable in settings, though.  One can change what three
presses of the HOME button or the POWER button on an iPhone 10 can do.  I
suppose it is possible that this could be configured differently by
different carriers.  Also, it is not easy to press the power button three
times in rapid succession through some of the cases.  If you can't get it to
work with the case on, try it with the case removed so that you have more
direct access to the physical power button.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

Thanks Michael. Good to know.

On 2/4/2018 9:51 PM, michael fridey via Talk wrote:
> Just press the home button 5 times very fast and wait for voice over to 
> start talking.
> 
> cheers Michael.
> 
> 
> On 5/02/2018 1:35 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> I've got a new iPhone coming tomorrow and assume Siri won't work out 
>> of the box and the triple button press isn't on by default. Any way to 
>> get it talking or do I have to wait for eyes?
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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RE: GMail with Outlook 2010

2018-02-05 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Rod,

I don't know the specific problem you are having, but here are two possible
stumbling blocks.  You may need to set the security for your account to
allow the use of legacy applications.  I believe it is in the security part
of settings, and I don't remember the specific description.  You will be
warned against this, but I have not had issues with doing this.  Google
tends to warn you against doing anything other than using Google's tools.

Second, If you have Google set up to sending you notifications of activity,
check the email account they go to with another program or on the web
interface to be sure your new connection is not triggering such a warning.
It is possible you will need to follow a link where you can specify that a
given access was known to you.  It is possible that your setup is fine but
that the test message that Outlook is sending is being rejected so Outlook
thinks the setup failed.  If you don't get email warnings, go to the web
site and check for notifications.  I can't be much more specific because I
have had to do it rarely, but you will find it given what I have seen of
your abilities over the years.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 9:54 AM
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Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: GMail with Outlook 2010

Hi everyone,

Is there a trick to configuring a Gmail account in Outlook 2010?
Here are the settings I've found on the google site, and they don't seem to
work for me:

Note: To avoid locking yourself out of your account, make sure you don't
exceed 2500 MB per day for IMAP downloads and 500 MB per day for IMAP
uploads. If you're setting up a single IMAP account on multiple computers,
try taking a break between each setup.
Set up IMAP
Step 1: Check that IMAP is turned on
On your computer, open
Gmail
.
In the top right, click Settings
Settings
.
Click Settings.
Click the Forwarding and POP/IMAP tab.
In the "IMAP Access" section, select Enable IMAP.
Click Save Changes.
Step 2: Change SMTP & other settings in your email client
Use the table below to update your client with the correct information. For
help updating your settings, search your email client's Help Center for
instructions on setting up IMAP.
Incoming Mail (IMAP) Server
imap.gmail.com
Requires SSL: Yes
Port: 993
Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server
smtp.gmail.com
Requires SSL: Yes
Requires TLS: Yes (if available)
Requires Authentication: Yes
Port for SSL: 465
Port for TLS/STARTTLS: 587
Full Name or Display Name
Your name
Account Name, User name, or Email address
Your full email address
Password.


Thanks,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windowss
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RE: WE and Office 2016

2018-01-24 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Carol,

I wonder if this is part of the old Microsoft bug that affected envelope
addressing for years.  That was fixed in Word 2016, though.  Would you give
exact steps to get where you are getting?  I'd like to figure out if this is
a Microsoft bug.

As a work-around, you might be able to type the address in a document and
then select it.  Microsoft might populate the "to" field with the selected
address, although you might not be able to determine that until you print
the label if this is left over from the old bug.  This was the case with the
envelope addressing dialog.  You probably would not need to copy and paste,
it happens automatically if this works similarly.  Don't get me wrong, you
shouldn't have to do it this way, it should work and we need to figure out
why it isn't working, whether it is Window-Eyes or a Microsoft bug.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 9:10 AM
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Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: WE and Office 2016

Hello,

I need to print a label.  I can go to the settings and choose my wanted 
label.  I can choose which label prints and where it is on the page.  
The problem is that I can not get WE to read the information in the to 
label box.  It simply does not speak and the box does not show up with 
the mouse keys.  The mouse keys report everything else I need except for 
the address.  Are there settings I need to change in Window-Eyes for 
Word 2016?  Thanks.

Carol

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RE: hotkey for word 2007

2018-01-22 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

I can't verify it, but I thought that in the older versions of office that
the CONTROL LEFT ARROW and CONTROL RIGHT ARROW may have moved through the
groups.  At least it is worth a try.

Best regards,

Steve

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Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:18 AM
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Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: hotkey for word 2007

Hi Alison,

Yes, I've confirmed that what you say is true in Word in Office 365, but not
in Word 2010.
That was a convenient feature they added.

Thanks,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


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Of CJ MAY via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 5:02 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: hotkey for word 2007

I am using MS Word 365 (is it?) and control tab does move through the groups
in a ribbon for me. So, firt press tab and then try control plus tab.

Alison


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Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 22 January 2018 00:20
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: hotkey for word 2007

Hi Butch,

I always thought it was Ctrl-tab to move among the groups within a tab.
I have 2010 here, I tried it, but it doesn't do exactly that.
What it does do is move between the current item and the help search field
and back again.
Perhaps it does what you want in 2007.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 2:35 PM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: hotkey for word 2007

Hello, In word 2007, I know that tab and shift tab will move from item to
item within a group on the ribbon, but I forgot the hotkey that will move
you from group to group, instead of having to tab through all the items in
one group to reach another group. If anyone knows the hotkey to move group
to group, please let me know. Thanks.

Butch

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RE: BECKY!: forwarding emails

2018-01-19 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Martha,

I have not had the problem you are encountering and I have forwarded some
pretty long emails with lots of parts.  I have run into limits using some
other email programs, though, so it is still possible that you are
encountering that with Becky.  You might want to be sure you are at the
latest version of Becky in case that corrects the issue you are
encountering.

Still, on rare occasions, I have had trouble with Becky, particularly when
running JAWS but also occasionally with Window-Eyes, where things just do
not work right.  When this happens, I have closed Becky completely and
started it again and the problem usually goes away.  

I think this is grasping at straws on my part, but you could also make sure
that the default template for forwarding mail is in tact, and you could even
try making a minor change to it in case that causes everything to work as
expected.  However, I don't know anything about the template that would
affect the size of an email being forwarded.  One possibility, though, is
that something is happening when Becky tries to add a character to the
beginning of a line that already has a number of prefix characters added.
You can find the template for replying and forwarding in Becky's general
setup on the Tools menu and on the citation tab.  By default, I think
standard templates are used for replying and for forwarding.  I have a
template for replying set up but no special template for forwarding.  I'm
not completely sure if that means my "reply" template is used or an internal
default template.  My reply template looks like this:


On %d
%f wrote:

%M
%0

I did this to force the line with the date to be separated from the line
that said from whom the message was from.  I forced a blank line between the
"FROM" line and the Message.  The %M represents the body of the message and
the %0 represents the default signature.  There is reference to a list of
other prefix citations, and I don't know what they mean.  I wonder if a
character in the message you are forwarding is triggering some unexpected
behavior.  Experimenting some with settings on the Citation tab might be
worth the effort.
  
Here's yet another grasp at a straw.  If you are using Window-Eyes, be
certain that the lines you are finding that are blank truly are blank.
Sometimes using the RIGHT ARROW will reveal text on lines that were reported
as "Blank" when one DOWN ARROWS through a document with Window-Eyes.  This
is not specific to Becky, though.  When I have seen this, it is usually when
a line begins with a TAB character in certain cases.  Also, check your
filtering settings in Window-Eyes in case that is introducing some unwanted
behavior.  From your description, the problem sounds like it is within
Becky, but if you are seeing a lot of blank lines instead of text between
headers then there could be a Window-Eyes issue that is preventing the text
from being spoken even though it is actually present.

Good luck!

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 5:45 PM
To: via Talk 
Cc: Martha 
Subject: BECKY!: forwarding emails

Hi.

I am using BECKY! version 2.0 on a Windows PC.

I have been forwarding emails and most of the time the text in the body
is forwarded successfully.
Some of the emails that I am forwarding are contain a string of emails. 
These emails show only the headers and signatures of the emails in the
string or thread. The body of the emails is blank.

Is there a setting that I need to change?  I'm wondering if this is due
to the size of the email.

thanks.

Martha



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RE: Version Question

2018-01-03 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Pat,

Although you would probably know if the upgrade worked, it is worth noting that 
the version number shown probably won't clearly say "version 10".  In my case, 
it says "Version 1703."  However, the dialog box that I get does refer to 
Windows 10 in the text portion.  If you did try to install it before, you might 
be able to start the install again without a charge since some of the 
components are probably already downloaded.  One of the most common reasons for 
an upgrade not to work is that Windows detected software that needs to be 
uninstalled first.  This often includes old versions of screen readers like 
JAWS and Window-eyes.  Whether you could restart the upgrade without a charge 
probably depends upon how far you got when you tried it last time.  You might 
be able to get the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk to help you sort this out at

800-936-5900 

Or go to their website at

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk

where you can launch a chat session.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Patricia Krinke via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 2:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Patricia Krinke 
Subject: Re: Version Question

Thank you, Rod.

Apparently, getting the free copy of Windows 10 didn't work ... sometime in 
the future maybe I will get Windows 10.


Patricia
-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 1:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Version Question

Hi Patricia,

Here's a line of text which is a command.
Winver | more
If you select the whole line of text, copy it to the clipboard, you can 
paste it into the Run dialog box.
You open the Run dialog box by holding down the Windows key and pressing the 
letter R.
Once you paste the command into the Run dialog box, you would press Enter to 
execute the command.
Then, you would read the whole Window using Ctrl-Shift-W.
Once you have heard the version information, press Enter to activate the Ok 
button to close the dialog.

Best,

Rod

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Of Patricia Krinke via Talk
Sent: January 3, 2018 2:30 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Patricia Krinke 
Subject: Version Question

Good afternoon,

How can I tell which version of Windows I have?

I did have Windows 7 but did try to install Windows 10.  However, nothing 
seems to have changed and I didn’t notice anything when I tried to install 
Windows 10.

Thank you,


Trish
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RE: Now for a new challenge?

2017-12-13 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Carol,

If you arrowed to the file, it may already have been selected.  I wonder if
Narrator may be incorrectly reporting the selection.  What happens if you
arrow to the file you want, do not press PSACE, do the CONTROL-C and paste?
I don't know if one can assume anything if Narrator remains silent when you
press CONTROL-C.

Best regards,

Steve

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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:36 AM
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Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: Now for a new challenge?

Honest, I wouldn't joke about this one, grin.  I tried to copy and paste 
a file to my new computer from an external drive.  I selected the by 
pressing spacebar.  Narrator said selected.  I did ctrl-c and Narrator 
said nothing.  OK, I thought maybe I didn't do it correctly.  So, I 
deselected the file and did the same thing. Thinking it may just not 
speak, I pasted it to the new drive. Nothing happened.  I looked for the 
edit commands and did not find them.  So, where do they hide?

Carol

On 12/13/2017 9:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Carol,
>
> Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V all work, as do the normal selection methods,
the only problem being Narrator's abysmal lack of verbosity.
>
> Best,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
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Of Carol and Roger via Talk
> Sent: December 13, 2017 7:26 AM
> To: talk >> Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Carol and Roger 
> Subject: Now for a new challenge?
>
> OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I tried
to copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using Narrator.  I
tried using control-c to copy the file, but it would not copy.  Also, I
could not find it on the ribbon. Where does one find editing commands?
Thanks.
>
> Carol
>
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RE: google chrome

2017-12-13 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

This web browsing business is very frustrating.  On Monday, I needed to get
a password reminder from Delta Airlines and was routed to the password reset
page.  With Internet explorer 11, I found a heading for password reset, but
no edit boxes to perform the reset.  Being a somewhat reasonable human
being, I muttered some phrases I won't repeat and got all ready to launch a
campaign against Delta to make their site more accessible.  While my
frustrations may have been somewhat correctly placed, I used Google Chrome
to go to the same site.  What do you know, the edit boxes to enter and
re-enter my new password were as plain as day.  

Last week, I had to start entering time for work on a new time sheet system.
The first thing I had to do was to reset my temporary password.  I could
find no place to do that with Internet Explorer.  Again, trying Google
Chrome resulted in additional text and links showing on the same web page
that allowed me to do both.  Okay, so maybe I should switch always to Google
Chrome, right?  Possibly that makes sense, but it turns out that I can't
actually enter my time with Google Chrome.  The edit boxes inside the table
of dates does not seem to activate with JAWS or NVDA.  On the other hand,
those edit boxes act completely normal with Internet Explorer.  Go figure.

As many of you know, there is work going on to change the approach to
accessibility inside FireFox making current new versions not accessible.
>From what I have read, the ideas that are being explored have some promise,
but I am willing to bet that it will represent another interpretation of web
pages that, while possibly giving us better access, will add another
variable.  Of course, we already see differences between the Windows
platform and IOS, so this isn't anything new, but I find myself wondering
how such basic differences can occur in the experiences I've outlined above.
Also, what do we do inemployment situations when an employer may not allow
the installation of additional web browsers as mine doesn't?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:42 AM
To: David Moore via Talk 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Re: google chrome

Here's something that drove me crazy for a long time until I figured it 
out, no thanks to Google.
Pressing Control-Enter on a link or using the context menu to open a 
link in a new tab opens it in the background. This seems totally 
illogical to me. But I finally figured out that if I pressed 
Control-Shift-Enter on a link it will open the new tab in the foreground.
Hth,
Tom

On 12/12/2017 7:41 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:
> Hey Bob and all!
> I will paste my text tutorial on the Google Chrome browser right below
this message. You can read it here right in the email.
> I take you through everything, and all of the settings.
> Here is the tutorial right below!
> Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
> By David Moore
> This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
> I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial,
because they all work the same in Chrome.
> Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
> I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
> There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
> 
> Section One:
> Launching Chrome:
> One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and
type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say
Chrome.
> However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a
shortcut icon on your desktop.
> So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to
open Chrome.
> The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the
Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
> The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise
the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will
get undesirable results.
> 
> Section Two:
> Bringing up a web site.
> Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
> and type the following:
> www.freedomscientific.com
> The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
> All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo
box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
> 
> Section Three:
> The Virticle Chrome menu:
> I will press Alt+F.
> The Chrome menu is open.
> This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down
arrow through.
> I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
> New Tab, CTRL+T.
> You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
> New Window, CTRL+N
> You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming
here.
> New incognito Window.
> History sub menu.
> I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!

RE: One more question about KNFB Reader

2017-11-29 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Larry and others,

Please understand that I have some exposure to the KNFB reader but don't
sell it and am not an expert.  I have not used it under Windows 10 yet.
According to someone else who responded on the KNFB Reader list, they have
used it with a scanner.  Two things to keep in mind though, are that it may
not optimize a scanner to the same degree it does a camera, and it may not
retain formatting to the degree that Open Book, Kurzweil 1000, FineReader or
OmniPage do, but it is less expensive.  Its strength is working through a
camera, and also to start reading the text quickly.  It is designed to start
reading text before an entire page has been completely processed by the OCR
engine.  Your best bet would be to get on the Reader-User's list and ask
questions there before you make a purchase.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 9:55 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: One more question about KNFB Reader

Hello Listers,


I am just wondering if the KNFB Reader can be used as a substitute for 
the Openbook program with Windows 10, which I am not in a hurry to 
reinstall, and then upgrade.


The clearest way I guess I can ask the question is if one can use a 
flatbed scanner with the software in the same way one can with Openbook, 
or is it designed only to work with a camera.


Surely, the KNFB Reader would be a bit less expensive than OpenBook, right?



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FW: [Reader-users] KNFB Reader on Windows Without a Camera

2017-11-29 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Robert,

Here is finally an answer to your question.  This person appears to be doing
what you want to do.  Thank you for your patience.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Reader-Users [mailto:reader-users-boun...@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Matt From Florida via Reader-Users
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 12:14 PM
To: 'Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list'

Cc: Matt From Florida 
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] KNFB Reader on Windows Without a Camera

Hi, I use KNFB reader on my windows 10 PC without a scanner or camera all
the time. You just have to have a way to import the file into your computer
so you can open it up in KNFB reader.
It works very well. Not perfect but very well.
So yes you can use KNFB reader on your windows PC without a scanner or
camera.
You will have to import files by email or some kind of cloud storage like
drop box or some other way to get the file on to your computer and then you
can open it in KNFB reader.


Matt
matt.from.flor...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: Reader-Users [mailto:reader-users-boun...@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Larry Lumpkin via Reader-Users
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 9:23 AM
To: 'Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list'
Cc: llump...@austin.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] KNFB Reader on Windows Without a Camera

You can use knfb with a scanner. I have it on my windows machine but don't
use it much because I don't think it's very good.


-Original Message-
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Steve Jacobson via Reader-Users
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:27 PM
To: reader-us...@nfbnet.org
Cc: Steve Jacobson 
Subject: [Reader-users] KNFB Reader on Windows Without a Camera

I had a question on another list whether KNFB Reader would run on a Windows
computer without a camera attached.  The person raising the question is
thinking about using it on scanned PDF's.  They may not have JAWS so may not
have the capability build in there.  I know that the KNFB Reader will do
that, but I don't know if it might throw an error if it doesn't find a
camera when starting up.  I don't own it on Windows so can't experiment.  

Thanks.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson



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KNFB Reader List Information

2017-11-29 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Bob,

You can get information about the readers list at

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/reader-users_nfbnet.org

There is an area on that page to subscribe.  

Let me know if you have questions about subscribing.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Bob Hicks [mailto:b...@seeinghandassociation.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:21 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

What is the link for joining the KNFB Reader list?  tia

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks

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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+bob=seeinghandassociation@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:20 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>
Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

Robert,

KNFB reader would do that if it doesn't check for a camera when it starts.  
There is a KNFB Readers' list, I'll see if anybody knows on that list.

Best regards,

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Robert Ringwald <r...@ringwald.com>
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

Thanks David. Very interesting.

My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is decipher 
scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will the KNFB reader read 
those internally with no camera or any other device needed?

I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.


-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are electronically 
stored information.


Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed, they need 
to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.


All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any 
blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.


To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the "eye" 
of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be the other "eye" 
of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any other electronic inside 
your computer's physical box - well, let's name it the brain. Even so, the hard 
disk or SSD, which we will compare to your "deep memory".


As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and 
perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the brain 
with information, which your brain now can process.


Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or physically 
visible information into the computer. Whatever has already been fed into the 
computer, like an electronically stored document, will be non-interesting for 
the camera, scanner or any further feeding equipment. All processing of what 
you have in your brain, will be done by the brain directly. All information 
already stored on your computer, will be processed directly by the computer, 
and loaded software.


I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it might be 
helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension of why the answer 
is the way it stands.


To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you how any 
OCR software works.

First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically leave 
you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic document, or 
if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like a camera or a 
scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter whichever way you feed 
it with information.


Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its memory. 
All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also known as 
pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with an internal 
dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous collection of stencils. If 
the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels) in the received information 
matches any stencil in the dictionary, it will know what character this will 
represent. It now will "type" this character into a virtual document, thereby 
imitating you pressing a key on the keyboard.


Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will present you 
with the virtually typed document.


For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a 
one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be very 
close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to

RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

2017-11-28 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Robert,

KNFB reader would do that if it doesn't check for a camera when it starts.  
There is a KNFB Readers' list, I'll see if anybody knows on that list.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Robert Ringwald 
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

Thanks David. Very interesting.

My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is decipher 
scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will the KNFB reader 
read those internally with no camera or any other device needed?

I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.


-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are
electronically stored information.


Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed,
they need to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.


All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any
blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.


To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the
"eye" of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be
the other "eye" of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any
other electronic inside your computer's physical box - well, let's name
it the brain. Even so, the hard disk or SSD, which we will compare to
your "deep memory".


As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and
perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the
brain with information, which your brain now can process.


Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or
physically visible information into the computer. Whatever has already
been fed into the computer, like an electronically stored document, will
be non-interesting for the camera, scanner or any further feeding
equipment. All processing of what you have in your brain, will be done
by the brain directly. All information already stored on your computer,
will be processed directly by the computer, and loaded software.


I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it
might be helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension
of why the answer is the way it stands.


To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you
how any OCR software works.

First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically
leave you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic
document, or if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like
a camera or a scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter
whichever way you feed it with information.


Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its
memory. All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also
known as pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with
an internal dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous
collection of stencils. If the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels)
in the received information matches any stencil in the dictionary, it
will know what character this will represent. It now will "type" this
character into a virtual document, thereby imitating you pressing a key
on the keyboard.


Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will
present you with the virtually typed document.


For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a
one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be
very close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize anything
to be the letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.


Modern OCR software has become far mor "inteligent", whatever we want to
talk about inteligence when comes to silly electronic units like a
computer. The inteligence is that the OCR no longer will depend on close
to exact matches. To a very high degree, it might "look" at the
properties of a scanned character, and base its recognition on the
results thereof. For instance, it would conclude that a set of pixels
that resemble two parallel vertical lines, slightly spaced from each
other, with a horizontal line running just about mid-way up between the
verticals - all in all will be interpreted as the capitalized letter H.

Likewise, a vertical bar, with a tiny line pointing diagonally out from
the upper left end, will likely be told to be the number 1.


As you might understand, such propetary comparison will be more
forgiving, than if you were to compare exact matches. You no longer need
to define how high the character can be, or what the width should be.
The OCR

RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

2017-11-28 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Evelyn,

You are, of course, correct, and while I did not own one I did beta test
one.  That device even had a separate camera even though they were strapped
together so they could function like a single device.   Thank you for the
reminder.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:27 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

Hi, Steve,

Just one little correction: The KNFBREADER Mobile started life on 
a PDA (personal digital assistant).  I know because I owned it.  
I also still have the smartphone version, which was the second 
generation of it.  I also have it on the Braille Note Touch-for 
free.

Regards,

Evelyn



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RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

2017-11-28 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Robert,

Maybe you already know this, but the strength of the KNFB reader is to take a 
picture of a document and turn it into text.  It was originally designed to be 
used on smart phones offering an extremely portable reading solution.  It is 
now available in Windows, but the idea was to be able to use the cameras that 
are built into many laptops and tablets to allow reading of text.  Although I 
have not used it this way, it can apparently perform Optical Character 
Recognition on PDF documents and other internal files which does not involve 
using a camera.  However, I do not know if the KNFB Reader checks for a camera 
or not.  It seems to me that back near the beginning of this thread, you asked 
about whether it can read PDF's.  Before you buy it to read PDF's that don't 
contain text, check out the option in JAWS to do that now.  If you are on JAWS 
18 or JAWS 2018, it is possible that you already have something that will do 
what you need.  

Also, I don't have experience using it with an external camera as some of 
mentioned here, but the experience has been that there is a resolution limit 
that will really help OCR.  I have heard a number somewhat lower than Josh gave 
of 8MB, but his number is probably fine.  The point is that it is not the case 
that the higher the resolution the better the results.  A point is reached 
where there is more information provided than is useful.  

I hope this answers the question you were really trying to get at.  Sometimes 
we go all around the answer and never hit it directly.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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Cc: Robert Ringwald 
Subject: Question About KNFB and camera.

I do not have a smart phone. In order to use the KNFB program to just read 
PDF's on the computer, do I need a camera? Or can it be done internally 
within the computer?

Windows 10.




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RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

2017-11-22 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Robert,

The KNFB reader uses a camera in a phone or other divice to take a picture of a 
document.  Then, it performs optical character recognition (OCR) and reads the 
content.  Its strongest point is that it performs the OCR in such a way that it 
can start reading very quickly.  As Josh says, it can be made to process files 
as well.  It takes some practice to know how far away from a document to hold 
the camera and to aim, but there are tools to help with that.  There are other 
OCR apps that are cheaper, but all in all, I've been happy with the KNFB 
Reader.  It does take practice, though.

My experience has been regardless of how good an app is, different apps 
sometimes provide the best results so one needs multiple tools at their 
disposal.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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On Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 6:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Robert Ringwald 
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

But what does it do?

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From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I have knfb reader on my android phone and it works great.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 16:03
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

And it's a fabulous OCR which is how it started. I have it on my iPhone
and can read just about anything imaginable. Think beyond a document
reader. I've read food boxes, cans, button labels and serial numbers on
gadgets, etc. It also works pretty good when you have to read your
computer screen or any other kind of display.
There's also a free one from Microsoft called seeing AI. It's useful but
doesn't compare to KNFB when it comes right down to it.
Regards,
Tom

On 11/22/2017 2:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
> Yes you can read pdfs with it. It works on iPhone and android and on 
> windows10 devices.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 13:12
> To: Talk
> Cc: Robert Ringwald
> Subject: What is a KNFB Reader?
>
> I see it is on sale.
>
> Can you read PDFs with it?
>
>
>
>
>
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> Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
> 916/ 806-9551
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RE: A little tech tip on Windows and screen readers.

2017-11-08 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Tom,

This makes good sense to me, and to be clear, you know much more about this
than I do.  Thanks for sharing this information.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:33 AM
To: Steve Jacobson via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>
Subject: Re: A little tech tip on Windows and screen readers.

Steve,

I agree that the complicated route isn't the one to take.

And I agree that programs would only check the flag on launch. But in 
the way I'm looking at this that's fine. If the flag gets set to false 
after shutting down a second screen reader and the first one is working 
fine I won't have to relaunch programs. And if I run the program to 
reset the flag after closing the second screen reader it will be true 
for any programs I launch thereafter. So the trick would be to run the 
program as soon as we shut down the second screen reader, which is what 
I would do because otherwise I'll forget.
And after resetting the flag I can broadcast a system message that the 
flag was changed. So all those wild little party animal programs will be 
notified.

Regards,
Tom



On 11/8/2017 10:37 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> Given my tendency to believe that the more complex something is, the more
> likely it will cause problems, I think it might be useful to be able to
> simply reset the screen reader flag upon demand as you suggest.  While I
> don't see any flaws in your logic, I would caution that there could be
> applications that only check the screen reader flag when they start.  In
> other words, resetting the flag to true might not solve all problems.  One
> would assume that the operating system would know the flag was reset, and
> that might resolve most of the problems that would arise, though.  I have
no
> knowledge of how that flag is checked so this is all speculation which is
> also dangerous.
> 
> Thanks for this information.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 8:52 AM
> To: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: A little tech tip on Windows and screen readers.
> 
> Olusegun,
> 
> John is right. The program I wrote was just to confirm the problem. But
> I read your message a while ago and have been pondering it while
> luxuriating in Peet's coffee. That's my latest low-tech discovery.
> Highly recommended. (smile)
> 
> WARNING! If you don't want to geek freak out close this message now!
> Three ... two ... one ... lift off!
> 
> Solving the screen reader flag problem programmatically is possible, but
> not very practical. A program that would take care of it automatically
> would need to be loaded at startup, wait a little while, and check to
> see if the flag is true. Then it would know your screen reader is
> running. (No assumptions is the golden rule in programming.) If so it
> would then have to begin a process loop. Here's what that loop would
> have to do.
> 1. Enumerate all the running processes to see if a screen reader is
> loaded. I might be able to query for Window-Eyes, NVDA, and JAWS
> individually.
> 2. Get the screen reader flag status and see if it's false.
> 3. If both conditions are true then reset the flag to true.
> 4. Put the program to sleep for whatever time is determined to be
> reasonable for how often the check is performed so it doesn't bog down
> the system but doesn't wait too long before resetting the flag.
> 5. Iterate the loop and repeat the above steps. This is done
> automatically but it is a process nonetheless.
> 
> Checking the flag is a simple function, but building a construct with
> all running processes isn't exactly a small task. It's more or less a
> slimmed down shell of the Windows task manager without a UI. So I gave
> this idea a thumbs down.
> 
> Then a more practical approach came to mind. It would be a program you
> could run to see if the screen reader flag is true and prompt you to
> enable it if not. Yeah ... but, I thought, this really gets back to the
> original solution of remembering to reload your screen reader because
> you'd have to remember to run the program. But wait! I thought. It would
> be beneficial because reloading our screen readers while some programs
> are running requires us to close and reload the program due to the
> preparations our screen reader does for that program when it l

RE: A little tech tip on Windows and screen readers.

2017-11-08 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Tom,

Given my tendency to believe that the more complex something is, the more
likely it will cause problems, I think it might be useful to be able to
simply reset the screen reader flag upon demand as you suggest.  While I
don't see any flaws in your logic, I would caution that there could be
applications that only check the screen reader flag when they start.  In
other words, resetting the flag to true might not solve all problems.  One
would assume that the operating system would know the flag was reset, and
that might resolve most of the problems that would arise, though.  I have no
knowledge of how that flag is checked so this is all speculation which is
also dangerous.  

Thanks for this information.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 8:52 AM
To: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Re: A little tech tip on Windows and screen readers.

Olusegun,

John is right. The program I wrote was just to confirm the problem. But 
I read your message a while ago and have been pondering it while 
luxuriating in Peet's coffee. That's my latest low-tech discovery. 
Highly recommended. (smile)

WARNING! If you don't want to geek freak out close this message now!
Three ... two ... one ... lift off!

Solving the screen reader flag problem programmatically is possible, but 
not very practical. A program that would take care of it automatically 
would need to be loaded at startup, wait a little while, and check to 
see if the flag is true. Then it would know your screen reader is 
running. (No assumptions is the golden rule in programming.) If so it 
would then have to begin a process loop. Here's what that loop would 
have to do.
1. Enumerate all the running processes to see if a screen reader is 
loaded. I might be able to query for Window-Eyes, NVDA, and JAWS 
individually.
2. Get the screen reader flag status and see if it's false.
3. If both conditions are true then reset the flag to true.
4. Put the program to sleep for whatever time is determined to be 
reasonable for how often the check is performed so it doesn't bog down 
the system but doesn't wait too long before resetting the flag.
5. Iterate the loop and repeat the above steps. This is done 
automatically but it is a process nonetheless.

Checking the flag is a simple function, but building a construct with 
all running processes isn't exactly a small task. It's more or less a 
slimmed down shell of the Windows task manager without a UI. So I gave 
this idea a thumbs down.

Then a more practical approach came to mind. It would be a program you 
could run to see if the screen reader flag is true and prompt you to 
enable it if not. Yeah ... but, I thought, this really gets back to the 
original solution of remembering to reload your screen reader because 
you'd have to remember to run the program. But wait! I thought. It would 
be beneficial because reloading our screen readers while some programs 
are running requires us to close and reload the program due to the 
preparations our screen reader does for that program when it loads. For 
example, when I'm in my programming developer writing a program I cannot 
reload NVDA. It cannot see the caret when I do so. It has to find it 
when the program launches. And I've had to close and reload other 
programs after reloading my screen reader because some things stop 
working. Again, screen readers sometimes have to see the program launch 
in order to work properly with them. Seeing the window come into focus 
isn't always enough.

So, provided that our screen reader has recovered to a fully functional 
state after having to load another screen reader to get there this would 
eliminate the need to reload it to reset the screen reader flag.

Let me know if anyone sees any flaws in my logic.

Regards,
Tom

On 11/7/2017 10:19 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
> Tom, I like the geeky nature of your post.  I thought you had mentioned
that
> you wrote a program to solve the problem.  Is the program up for sale?  If
> yes, how can I get it to snuggle up in my hands and at what cost?
> 
> Thanks for sharing and for making me a bit more geekier than I deserve!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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RE: A little tech tip on Windows and screen readers.

2017-11-08 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Tom,

This is really interesting and it seems odd this has not surfaced before
from screen reader developers.  I have often run NVDA when Window-Eyes went
quiet and then closed NVDA when everything seemed to resolved itself as you
described.  Sometimes I would note unusual behavior and assumed it was due
to system instability.  Of course, the system could have been unstable, but
I wonder now to what degree it might have been the screen reader flag being
set to false.  

In addition, I am very curious about Narrator not using this flag.  It would
seem Microsoft is either feeling that they have other methods to get the
information they need or they want to see how it reacts to software with the
flag not set.  Thanks for sharing this information.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
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Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 1:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: A little tech tip on Windows and screen readers.

For years Windows has had a screen reader flag that our screen readers 
set to true when we load them and false when we close them. Most 
programs don't pay any attention to this, but there are programs that 
do. And Windows itself actually does a little work to feed our screen 
readers some information that would otherwise be inaccessible when this 
flag is true.

While writing a program I needed to look up the Windows 
SystemParametersInfo function for something unrelated. It is a doorway 
to numerous system parameters. In doing so I was reminded that it's also 
where a pile of accessibility parameters are accessed as well, e.g. 
screen reader, high contrast, keyboard access preference, no animations, 
visual effects, etc. All of these have get and set functions.

A common scenario probably most of us have experienced is that our 
screen reader goes silent. So we fire up another one to see what's going 
on. For example, Window-Eyes will stop talking occasionally with IE 
error messages. But for some reason, usually, as soon as I fire up NVDA, 
or close the error message window with NVDA, Window-Eyes comes back to 
life. The point is that I end up with two screen readers running 
simultaneously.

I always assumed this would mess with the screen reader flag status. And 
stumbling upon this offered me a golden opportunity to get away from my 
real work. So I wrote a little program to check the screen reader and 
keyboard preference flags. the latter is to indicate to developers that 
you want keyboard access rather than a mouse driven interface. I doubt 
anyone uses or pays any attention to this because if they did a purely 
mouse driven graphical interface would be replaced by a keyboard driven 
interface with standard controls. At least that would be the best case 
scenario. Our screen readers don't set it to true anyway because the 
screen reader flag is saying the same thing. It's another case of the 
elements existing and not being used. Case in point, W3C web standards. 
But I digress.

The driving force was that I've known about this for years and suspected 
that loading another screen reader atop an existing one and then 
unloading either would leave the screen reader flag false. My program 
confirmed my suspicion. I may have mentioned this before because I was 
told about this years ago. But I wanted a concrete answer. And I was 
curious as to whether it had been improved. Although I have been 
operating on my assumption ever since hearing about it initially.

I ran my program with Window-Eyes running and then after unloading it. I 
then did the same with NVDA. I haven't installed JAWS on my new system 
yet, but I assume it will do the same. When one is loaded the screen 
reader flag is true and when it's not it's false. And if I load either 
while the other is running and then unload one of them I still have a 
screen reader running but the screen reader flag is false.

The reason I wanted to know this for sure is that I thought if common 
sense had prevailed there would have been a simple screen reader 
counter. That way the true count could stack up and screen reader would 
not be false until the counter was zero, which is always false in 
programming logic. Evidently common sense didn't prevail on this one.

So now you know. I recommend reloading your screen reader if you have to 
load and then unload another to get out of a jam.

And here's the bonus prize! Narrator does not set the flag true. So you 
don't have to worry about it if you load Narrator atop another screen 
reader. Why this is is beyond comprehension. But Microsoft states it 
clearly on their developers network and my program confirmed it. I 
suppose they incorporated a seperate internal flag for Narrator. Who knows.

Regards,
Tom

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RE: Jaws and Edge

2017-11-07 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

It is also my understanding that one's success with Edge will depend some
upon the version of Windows 10 that one has installed.  Microsoft has been
making changes to Edge as well as have screen readers. 

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Luciano Ortelli via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 11:45 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Luciano Ortelli 
Subject: WG: Jaws and Edge

Tony, I apologize. I must correct something: please replace standard with
default browser. I have Edge as default browser for working in Edge and
using Edge to read PDF documents. But I also have Internet Explorer in the
task bar. Of course, after quitting Edge you can go to IE as before. When
having IE as default browser and entering Edge, you cannot work in Edge with
Jaws.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,

Lucian

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lortelli=bluewin...@lists.window-eyes.com] Im
Auftrag von Luciano Ortelli via Talk
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. November 2017 17:26
An: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Luciano Ortelli 
Betreff: AW: Jaws and Edge

Tony, you must have Edge as standard browser for using Jaws with Edge.

Lucian

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Von: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lortelli=bluewin...@lists.window-eyes.com] Im
Auftrag von Kevin Huber via Talk
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. November 2017 17:18
An: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Kevin Huber 
Betreff: Re: Jaws and Edge

Hi:

Speaking of Edge, what about NVDA and Edge?  I have NVDA at the office, and
I tried briefly to run Edge and a similar thing happened as Tony described.

Kevin Huber

On 10/20/17, Tony C via Talk  wrote:
> Hello, When I open edgeee jaws reads nothing. How do I find and 
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RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

2017-10-11 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

If we are going to be fair about this discussion, VFO can't just throw the
Window-Eyes code into JAWS.  I also think it is reasonable to keep in mind
the fact that they really wanted ZoomText so probably didn't give a lot of
thought about Window-Eyes.  It's likely nobody cried at VFO over the idea of
Window-Eyes being discontinued, and I think Freedom Scientific's lawsuits
were unjustified and clearly a means to crush competition.  However, a case
can easily be made that NVDA did quite a lot to cut into business that would
have gone to Window-Eyes as well.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing
NVDA, it wasn't their intent, but a good free screen reader cut into
perspective Window-Eyes customers more than JAWS customers because
Window-Eyes had worked hard to work with customers on a budget.  The Office
offer, the Lease to Own approach, and the slightly lower price was aimed at
individuals rather than agencies.  As nice as those programs were, it was
easier for many of those people to go to NVDA which has become a respectable
screen reader.

It is really hard these days to make a claim that any screen reader is the
best.  It depends so much upon on how one uses it.  I have moved to JAWS
because there are programs that I use at work for which JAWS works well, as
did Window-Eyes, but where NVDA did not work well.  There are still things
about Window-Eyes that I like better, but I am getting used to the different
way JAWS handles certain things.  Certainly, many people will find that NVDA
does everything they need.  I find JAWS more responsive in some instances,
but that isn't going to be important to everybody.  In short, certainly I
will continue to miss some of the things that Window-Eyes did, but one can
manage to make the change if one has to.  What I hope to never forget are
the people who were behind Window-Eyes, the developers and the customer
support people.  I will always believe that if finances and market pressures
would have been different than what they were and if Window-Eyes had gotten
a few breaks along the way, Window-Eyes would have emerged as the superior
screen reader.

We are in a changing environment.  JAWS is going to have to change some if
NVDA continues to gain strength and if Microsoft continues to make
improvements to Narrator.  It costs somebody a good deal of money to keep
screen readers stable and up-to-date, whether it is SMA's donations, or
corporate funding in the case of Microsoft.  Those who say NVDA is free are
not being honest with themselves.  It means someone else is paying for their
ability to have a free screen reader, even if there is some voluntary
efforts involved.  We should be thankful this is the case but we need to
also be aware of it.  I used Window-Eyes on the job for almost twenty years,
and some have used JAWS longer.  To work efficiently in an employment
setting, one needs a very stable program, and changes cut into ones
productivity.  I am some concerned about what will be happening over the
next five or ten years, because I don't think we have finished with changes
to access technology.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Dennis Long 
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

I think reserving
 Judgment until after the jaws 2018 cycle is complete and jaws2019 is out.
You don't know what they have planned for the year.  They may have had the
first features planned for a while possible before the got window Eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Adkins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:41 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Charles Adkins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

let me make one thing clear, I am not bitter. I am not sure about what merge
is being talked about, Window-eyes was dropped, not merged with Jaws. My
point was Vfo had the chance to retain the best of Window-eyes and jaws in
both technology and people and produce one hell of a screen reader unlike
anything the world has ever seen and they chose not to do that, they just
trashed their "compeditor" completely like they never existed. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 5:05 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk
 wrote:
> 
> Hi Josh,
> 
> As for Office support in NVDA, as I am subscribed to Office 365, and 
> will
be for the  foreseeable future, I will be using NVDA to navigate it should
Window-Eyes no longer suffice.
> I've been keeping my ear to the ground, though, and I know that Office
support for NVDA is a high priority.
> We'll keep everyone posted.
> As I've said, I will not be using the offering of the enemy of GW Micro.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
>

RE: reading rows and columns on a web page

2017-10-11 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Butch,

Just as it was with Window-Eyes, it depends if the data you are trying to
read is actually presented in a table.  If it is, JAWS should go into table
mode automatically, and ALT CONTROL Arrows should let you move around the
table in rows and columns.  JAWS has another fairly new feature called Smart
Navigation.  You can turn this on with JAWS KEY and x.  It causes JAWS to
read certain web elements with the arrow keys in one chunk.  When this
feature is on, rows and columns in a table will automatically read with the
arrow keys as will some other elements like links.  You can turn this
feature on and off in the verbosity menu as well.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson
 
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:39 AM
To: gw micro 
Cc: BK 
Subject: reading rows and columns on a web page

Hello, when a row of text on a web page is separated and positioned
downward, line after line, instead of straight across. is there a way to
read it as a single line straight across? Do I need to enter table mode?
If so, please tell me the Jaws hotkey, as I am still learning Jaws. All help
is appreciated.

Butch

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RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

2017-10-03 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Tom,

Let me add my voice to John's.  I've also used Chrome some and found it to
work all right.  I have not gotten comfortable with using the equivalent of
"Favorites," but suspect that is my lack of experience.  I had one case on a
slow computer where a website was not useable due to very, very slow
response with Internet Explorer, and when I switched to Chrome that same
website worked fine.  I think it is definitely worth a look if you have not
done so yet.  The interface is very different, though, so don't let that put
you off.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Cc: john schwery 
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Tom, Chrome works ok.

At 11:50 PM 10/2/2017, you wrote:
>Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So 
>I'm curious as to whether I should even bother.
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
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RE: low cost jaws it does exist

2017-09-15 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Josh,

I understood him to be talking about the person who was criticizing you, and
I don't think he was referring to you.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Josh Kennedy 
Subject: Re: low cost jaws it does exist

Don't you think that statement of get a life is contradicting itself? 
How can I get a life when I already have a life? And I already have a 
life because I am alive. And you know I am alive because I am sitting 
here typing this message. If I did not get or have a life already, then 
I could not be sitting here and typing this message to you, now could I? 
Because I would not be alive in the first place.


On 9/15/2017 12:48 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> Get a life and hope for the bonus of compassion and empathy for 
> others. You'll be much happier.
>
> On 9/14/2017 6:33 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
>> ...get a job and stop bothering people for hand outs.
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 9:35 AM, "Josh Kennedy via Talk" 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hello
>>>
>>>
>>> I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message. 
>>> Anyway
>>> he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for people who
>>> need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and for some
>>> reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would make 
>>> a note
>>> to at least get information about it posted up there. So here is 
>>> what he
>>> said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and through 
>>> this jaws
>>> affordability program for $125 you get jaws home version with 0 
>>> smas. But
>>> if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with two smas. When I am done
>>> with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take advantage of this for sure! 
>>> I also
>>> suggested to hal about a program to activate jaws on a monthly 
>>> basis, $225
>>> comes down to $12 per month. He said he would make a note of that 
>>> also. So
>>> yes folks low cost jaws does exist. get more info by calling:
>>>
>>> 1-800-444-4443 extension 1101
>>>
>>>
>>> This news is very exciting! in a year or so my son will probably be 
>>> doing
>>> more advances stuff with microsoft office and Jaws will probably be 
>>> needed
>>> because it works good with that office suite. I am glad that low 
>>> cost jaws
>>> really exists.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>>
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RE: window-eyes open source?

2017-09-11 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Josh,

This is more complicated than you are considering.  I do not believe that
JSAY is a VFO product for example.  Remember, too, that VFO technically owns
this list now, and the list is intended to help those who are trying to use
Window-Eyes as long as they can.  They would be completely within their
rights to discontinue this list given the latest topics.  In my situation,
JAWS and Window-Eyes work in some cases with my employer's software where
NVDA does not.  NVDA is a good program, but I needed to move to JAWS to do
my job now, regardless of whether NVDA will work some day with the same
software.  In some cases, NVDA is ahead of JAWS and Window-Eyes, but this is
partly due to the fact that NVDA has been able to concentrate on new
features.  Both Window-Eyes and JAWS have had to keep twenty years or more
of old code running to make certain they continued to work correctly for
those of us who were dependent on them to do our jobs.  

I do not know who is moderating this list now.  It certainly is not me, but
I want to see this list continue to support those using Window-Eyes.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 9:41 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Josh Kennedy 
Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?

let me correct myself here. the j-say product costs around $400 or $300. 
that is for jaws. dictation bridge for all screen readers costs, and 
will cost, $0.



On 9/11/2017 8:27 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> No you don't dictation bridge is being developed for jaws it won't cost
> $400.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:42 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Josh Kennedy
> Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?
>
> NVDA works with dragon naturally speaking, and windows speech recognition,
> and it does it for free, with an addon called dictation bridge. with jaws
> you have to pay an extra $400 or so for that functionality.
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2017 11:51 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>> The problem is that FS has too much of a monopoly in the paid market.
>> Monopolies are illegal.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 8:51 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Dennis Long
>> Subject: RE: window-eyes open source?
>>
>> It is far from being as good as jaws!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:55 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Loy
>> Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?
>>
>> NVDA is not far from being as good as JAWS and  I can see it happening
>> that people will download the free program instead of paying hundreds
>> of dollars for a very similar program.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Josh Kennedy
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 4:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?
>>
>>
>> Why couldn't it happen?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/2017 3:47 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>> > I don't see that happening.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
>> > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:08 PM
>> > To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> > Cc: Josh Kennedy
>> > Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?
>> >
>> > I wonder what VFO would do if NVDA starting eating into their
>> business profits? If free open source NVDA would become way more
>> popular than jaws and would still be open source?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/10/2017 2:54 AM, David wrote:
>> >> Matter of fact, this question was raised a couple of days after
the
>> >> anouncement of the discontinued development of WinEyes. I will get
>> >> back to what Doug said back then. First of all, let's take a
>> quick look at facts.
>> >>
>> >> Had it been as easy as WinEyes would have been a stand-alone
> software,
>> >> with all its coding done 'in-house', things would have been
>> pretty easy.
>> >> And had it been that Doug and Dan had been the only ones to
develop
>> >> the software, they could have decided whatever they wanted.
>> >>
>> >> Things are not that easy!
>> >> First of all, what doug pointed out, was that to get the better
>> >> functionality of WinEyes, they had to reach certain agreements
with
> -
>> >> for instance

RE: Is there a Find feature in JAWS?

2017-09-02 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Thanks for the clarification.  This is, unfortunately, not a simple subject.
I did not know that CONTROL-F brings up the JAWS dialog in Internet
Explorer.  INSERT-CONTROL-F seems to also bring it up for me.  Internet
Explorer also has a find command that is initiated by CONTROL-F, but the
JAWS Find overlays it.  That is good since the JAWS Find in this case will
search the entire virtual buffer which is probably what one wants.

However, in Word, I find that CONTROL-F brings up the Word search dialog,
but that is probably the best one to use in word.  INSERT-CONTROL-F still
brings up the JAWS Find command for me.  There are some differences between
the two dialogs so it is good to know which is being used.  

I don't mean to seem to be splitting hairs, it is worth knowing which
command is being used.  In addition, I want to know if I am wrong.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Luciano Ortelli [mailto:lorte...@bluewin.ch] 
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 11:35 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: AW: Is there a Find feature in JAWS?

Hi Steve and list,

The Jaws command for FIND is Control+f in Internet Explorer and Word and
Jaws key+Control+f in Adobe Reader.

hth.

Luciano

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lortelli=bluewin...@lists.window-eyes.com] Im
Auftrag von Steve Jacobson via Talk
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. September 2017 17:35
An: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>
Betreff: RE: Is there a Find feature in JAWS?

Isn't the JAWS "Find" command JAWSKEY plus CTRL plus F?  Control-F is often
the key to bring up a find dialog in specific software, but this is
different.  

If one goes to the JAWS screen with JAWSKEY plus j, then to the Utilities
Menu, there is a "Search for Command" utility that can be very useful.  I
have found this utility to be frustrating sometimes, though, because the
terminology is different in JAWS than in Window-Eyes, so one has to
experiment sometimes.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 8:39 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo <ochikodin...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is there a Find feature in JAWS?

controle f same in JAWS same as NVDA same thing. hit control f find what you
want

On 9/2/17, Loy via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Is there a find feature in JAWS like in Window Eyes? If so how can I 
> find it?
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RE: Is there a Find feature in JAWS?

2017-09-02 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Isn't the JAWS "Find" command JAWSKEY plus CTRL plus F?  Control-F is often
the key to bring up a find dialog in specific software, but this is
different.  

If one goes to the JAWS screen with JAWSKEY plus j, then to the Utilities
Menu, there is a "Search for Command" utility that can be very useful.  I
have found this utility to be frustrating sometimes, though, because the
terminology is different in JAWS than in Window-Eyes, so one has to
experiment sometimes.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: Re: Is there a Find feature in JAWS?

controle f same in JAWS same as NVDA same thing. hit control f find
what you want

On 9/2/17, Loy via Talk  wrote:
> Is there a find feature in JAWS like in Window Eyes? If so how can I find
> it?
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RE: PDF question

2017-08-26 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Robin,

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but I do not think CONTROL
PGDN works if you have specified that the entire document be loaded into the
Virtual Cursor buffer.  Mostly, I find it easiest to have an entire document
loaded at once even if it takes a while, but I change the option to only
load a page at a time if I am going to need to pay attention to the page
structure.  I have also found this to be true if I need to print a certain
page as well.  This option is in the dialog that comes up when you open a
document.  As mentioned elsewhere, it is also in the reading options dialogs
as well.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 12:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Van Lant, Robin 
Subject: RE: PDF question

If I press just page up and down, I can tell that the speech is moving
forward or backward by small leaps.  Control and Page Up and Down are not
make the speech jump ahead, just the picture on the screen.  I'm in a 22
page document and trying to jump ahead mid-way through. Ugh. I really
thought that keystroke you referenced below used to work, but it's not
working now.  



 

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: PDF question

Hi Robin,

Ctrl-PgDn and Ctrl-PgUp will advanced to the next and previous pages,
respectively.

Best,

Rod

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Sent: August 24, 2017 6:34 PM
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Cc: Van Lant, Robin 
Subject: PDF question

Please remind me, because I'm driving myself crazy with reading a multi-page
document in Adobe.   I have Adobe set for single page display.  If I am
reading a page and want to move to the next page, I can hit alt right arrow
or the page down and I can tell it's visually changing on the screen, but
Window Eyes 9.4 is not advancing where speech focus is located.  What is the
trick?




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RE: contacting Doug.

2017-08-22 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

It is possible I am misinterpreting this note, but I really think that both 
Doug and Dan thought that the merger with AI Squared would give Window-Eyes a 
fresh burst of resources to get over the hump on changes that were very much 
needed.  Once they sold the company, even though they remained active 
employees, they would not have had a say regarding the purchase of AI Squared 
by VFO.  I remember at the time GW Micro was purchased by AI Squared, that Doug 
wrote in some context or other about the number of engineers and developers AI 
Squared had compared to GW Micro, and I think there was some real optimism 
there.  The idea of the Fusion product with Window-Eyes may have provided  the 
new market and exposure that Window-Eyes really needed.  I really don't think 
there were two mor decent people in this industry.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson
 
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long 
via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:00 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Dennis Long 
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

When GW sold out to AI squared that was effectively the end of WE.  Remember 
everyone has their price Dan and Doug got there price.  


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb 
via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

Watch fs make zt bloated and terrible with yearly updates. Oh, ai2, y'all 
shouldn't have gotten with the shark.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 21, 2017 11:22 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" 
wrote:

> And Zoomtext will be getting yearly updates, and so on like JAWS does.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:50 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Russ Kiehne
> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>
> You are correct, the article was posted for historical purposes.
> It's interesting to see how many screen readers we had back then.  
> Jaws wonthe the battle and now is king of the hill.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Debby Franson via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Debby Franson
> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>
> Hi Loy!
>
> No, I agree that the article would not be fair today, but I think this 
> article was posted for historical purposes, not anything about the 
> current day.
>
> Debby
>
> At 10:25 AM 8/19/2017, Loy via Talk wrote
> >This would not be a air comparison now, Window Eyes progressed much faster
> >than JAWS since 1996.   - Original Message -   From: Russ Kiehne
> >via Talk   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List   Cc: Russ Kiehne   Sent:
> >Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:42 AM   Subject: Re: contacting Doug.   Check
> >this out from times past!   Date:Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:26 EDT   From:
> >Jamal Mazrui <7.1...@compuserve.com>   Subject: CSUN "Dueling
> Windows"
> >Sensory Access Foundation has published a "Dueling Windows"   report in
> the
> >Spring 1996 issue of Access Review.  It   summarizes a competition among
> >Windows screen readers that was   held at the 1996 CSUN conference in
> >March.  I am prefacing the   article with some tabulations I did with its
> >data.   Since the article does not quantify the performance of each
> >screen reader according to its criteria, I did such an analysis   for the
> >interest of readers.  I assigned a value of 2 for   accomplishing a task,
> 1
> >for accomplishing it with difficulty, and   0 for failing it.  If anyone
> >observes an error in my arithmetic,   please let me know.   Artic's
> >WinVision   accomplished: 7   accomplished with difficulty: 2   failed: 6
> >total points: 16   average: 1.06   Berkeley's OutSpoken for Windows
> >accomplished: 9   accomplished with difficulty: 5   failed: 1   total
> >points: 23   average: 1.53   GW Micro's Window-Eyes   accomplished: 5
> >accomplished with difficulty: 1   failed: 9   total points: 11   average:
> >.73   Henter-Joyce's JAWS for Windows   accomplished: 13   accomplished
> >with difficulty: 1   failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   IBM's
> >Screen Reader/2   accomplished: 13   accomplished with difficulty: 1
> >failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   Syntha-Voice's Window Bridge
> >accomplished: 5   accomplished with difficulty: 4   failed: 6   total
> >points: 14   average: .93   TeleSensory's Screen Power for Windows
> >accomplished: 5   accomplished with difficulty: 7   failed: 3   total
> >points: 17   average: 1.13   Based solely on this analysis, JAWS for
> >Windows and Screen   Reader/2 were tied for top.  They were followed

RE: Word "Position on Page" Keystroke in Jaws?

2017-08-01 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Try ALT NUMPAD DELETE.

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Behalf Of Ed Culpepper via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 3:42 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Word "Position on Page" Keystroke in Jaws?

Fellow Migrants -
WE 9.5.4 had a marvelously useful keystroke for reporting the cursor
position on a page in Word 2007. When I press CTRL-NumpadPlus I would hear
something like "1.00 inches from left, 1.00 inches from top, page 1," if my
cursor is located at the beginning of the top line in a document with
standard margins. With this keystroke I could determine exactly where I was
in a document as it would appear when printed. I used this keystroke often
to create documents of desired page lengths.

I have not discovered a Jaws keystroke that reports similar page position
information. I am making progress acclimating to the Jaws 18 environment,
but this missing element sends me back to WE whenever I am working on
documents that will be printed. The keystroke is also very useful for
proof-reading for correct indentations and other desired alignments of text
on a page.

If you know a Jaws keystroke that will report this information I will
appreciate your sharing.

Many thanks - Ed Culpepper
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Window-Eyes Sounds

2017-07-27 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

It may depend upon the version of Windows, but Window-Eyes sounds are in the
Sound Schemes in Control Panel.  It is easy to miss them.  If you arrow down
through the list of Windows sounds, you will find other software sounds as
well.  

In Windows 10, it is possible to set the volume of the sounds for particular
software packages including, I believe, muting them.  It is worth looking
for Window-Eyes sounds when Window-Eyes is running to see if that could be
the problem.  Unfortunately, it is hard to give exact steps as there are
some variations depending upon which version of Windows is being used.  I
type volume into the cortana edit box and get "Adjust System Volume as a
result.  Right now, I am running JAWS and I see JAWS sounds there.  Yes,
some of us have to switch to JAWS because Window-Eyes and JAWS works with
some of my employer's software that does not work with NVDA or Narrator.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:26 AM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: been a great ride

I have no idea why you're having that issue.  I would think somewhere in
sounds.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:20 AM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: been a great ride

Ever since I downloaded jaws, suddenly my window eyes sounds are not working
when I am using window eyes; which is most of the time.  The rest of the
windows sounds seem to work, but the sounds that window eyes uses are
suddenly non-existent.  I tried to find out where they were, and can't.  Can
anybody tell me how to get them back?  That and the messages that go with
them?  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: been a great ride

I have been a member of this list for many many years and have received lots
of help over those years.  Sadly I have moved away from Window Eyes and am
now using NVDA as well as the free transfer to Jaws.  Thanks to Doug for
getting us WE users that free Jaws as I would have never paid for Jaws.
Having made the switch I know that WE has been the best screen reader for me
and it is a dam shame that Doug and crew couldn't have done a better job of
promoting their product so they could have beaten Jaws.  Thanks to all that
have put up with me.  I am now unsubscribing from the list and hope to see
many of you on the NVDA and Jaws lists.
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RE: major outlook problem

2017-07-19 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Darrell,

This very thing happened to me last week while I was accessing my email at
the NFB Convention in Orlando.  I was suddenly unable to get into a certain
account on OUTLOOK.COM but I could get into other accounts.  A quick repair
and deleting and adding the account did not help.  When I got home, adding
the account went fine.  I do not know if a change in networks resolved the
issue or if Microsoft updated Outlook 2016 introducing a bug and then
corrected it.  You should be sure to reboot and wait a while after rebooting
before you try outlook.  Also, if that doesn't work, perhaps a quick repair
is worth trying.  My problem did resolve itself without doing a complete
repair.  

Given my experience, I would hesitate to do much more without giving the
problem some time to resolve itself.  Also, if this started happening when
you were on a different network, wait until you can return to your original
network.  I have had problems like this before with Outlook that seem to
clear themselves up, and although I am glad that is the case, it is
extremely frustrating.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:09 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: ot: major outlook problem

Hello,
I have been having this problem with outlook for a while now.
When I go to set up mail accounts, the first progress window comes up
telling me that the program is connecting and trying to get the information
from the server.
Then not long afterword's, a window that just simply says, "Microsoft
outlook Credentials, (not Responding) comes up. I just reinstalled windows
10, cleanly, and that was the reason why I did a clean install.
Any ideas on how to fix it?
Thanks,
Darrell

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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

2017-05-26 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Rod,

Did you use the procedure to update JAWS or did you just run the latest
installation file?  I tend to run the latest installation file because I can
download it once and run it on multiple computers without the need to have
each computer download the update.  When I do that, I loose the hot key
every time.  I am not certain if this happens when I follow the update
prompt or not.  Running the latest installation file seems to have some
ability to look at what was installed because I don't have to authorize the
version again, but I loose the hot key.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:45 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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RE: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

2017-05-23 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the window has 
been maximized.  You might see if that helps in this case.

Best regards,

Steve

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status 
line except for the file explorer.  I am used to having a status line in 
Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read 
and in some cases, how many have been deleted.  I have tried using both 
the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack.  It 
says absolutely nothing.  Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, 
it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it 
is in, grin.  Thanks for any suggestions.

Carol

On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the numpad 3.
>
>
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> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM
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> Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>
>
>
> From: Tom Fairhurst
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
> To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>
> Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in MS Word 
> or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t give enough 
> information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, using MS Word is 
> almost impossible.
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RE: Narrater key strokes

2017-05-12 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Matthew,

The keystroke changed with Windows Creator and you may not have Creator on
your laptop yet.  The keystroke was Windows Key and ENTER, and now it is
CONTROL Windows Key plus ENTER.  You may have to try both unless they can
tell you which version of Windows has been installed.

Best regards,

Steve

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To: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk 
Subject: Re: Narrater key strokes

By the way, am getting a new laptop with Windows 10.  What's the key 
combination to start up Narrator?  Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao

On 5/12/2017 7:08 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
> Narrator has evolved quite a lot, including a responsive synthesizer, 
> in the last few years. Its keystrokes use the CapsLock as the 
> "Narrator key". I think that capslock-F1 brings up the list of over 
> 100 keystrokes that Narrator has.
> It's a very different program than the rest of the screen readers. I 
> think it would be most useful for diagnostics, and not for real-world 
> use. Narrator even supports braille displays now, through a modified 
> version of the BrlTTY program that is also used in Linux and 
> BrailleBack for Android.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Don Smith via Talk
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:45 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Narrater key strokes
>
> Morning all
>
>
>
> Other then the starting and stopping of narrater in windows 10
> creater, are there many key strokes or commands that have changed?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Don
>
>
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RE: MS Excel 2010

2017-05-07 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Tom and Lloyd,

I have had Excel sometimes go dead and found that bringing up the ribbon and
then dismissing it with ESCAPE sometimes causes cells to read again.  If
Window-Eyes is not reading a document from the outset, then check to see if
it happens to be in a Dropbox folder.  If it is, go to Dropbox preferences
and change the "Show Badges" option to Never.  For some reason, that option
interferes with certain screen readers regarding Excel and Microsoft Word.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 8:25 PM
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Subject: Re: MS Excel 2010

I just tested Excel 2010 with W-E 9.5.4. I happened to open a spreadsheet 
whose cells were protected. Pressing F2 told me that I could not edit unless

I enabled editing. When I did this, I could no longer even read the 
spreadsheet, as well s not edit a cell. So I closed Excel and then reloaded 
the same file, now unprotected. Reading and editing then worked as they 
should, in my brief test.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
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Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 9:01 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: MS Excel 2010

I am using WE 9.5.5 with Windows 7 64-bit pro. When I press F2 to edit a 
cell, nothing reads any more. This occurs whether the window i8s maximized 
or not. I tried refreshing the accessibility library of Window-Eyes which 
worked for one time. But the vehavior quickly returned. Any help would be 
appreciated.
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RE: braille displays and we

2017-04-08 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Joshua,

I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I assume
there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct?  You said you can't
use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with other screen readers?  If
so, what does it do when you have a cursor that moves when you are editing a
word?  In other words, how well does it show that a cursor moved but no
characters changed?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: braille displays and we

also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not 
work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 
emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other 
braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the 
braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine 
signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust 
resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype 
once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick it 
up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no pins 
fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor does not 
care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind of braille 
you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music or nemeth math 
braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and stylus, you can write 
any braille code you wish, even make up your own or write grade3 
shorthand if you want.


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RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion

2017-04-06 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

y learning it at first.
It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact.
However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone
6SE.
However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the
built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you 
back.

With respect,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM
To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

Yes, but you get along with touch screens.  some of us don't.  Glad it works
for you.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote:

> I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second
> generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini.  I
> ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do
> with a victor reader stream and a lot more.  It has better sound, more
> volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader
> stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket.
>
> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne
> Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
>
> Why do you think I have one of those?
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne
> wrote:
>
>>  That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream!
>>
>>  -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
>>  Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM
>>  To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
>>
>>  Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the
>> like,  touch screens and so forth, which I'm not.  Just doesn't make
>> sense to  me.  The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand
>> is that it  isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone.
>> But, it is the  same old attitude I have seen among the blind for
>> years.  Everybody  should use what I use and my way is the only way.
>> I have an I pod touch
>>  5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day.
>>  73
>>  Butch
>>  WA0VJR
>>  Node 3148
>>  Wallace, ks.
>>
>>
>>  On Tue,
>>  4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
>>
>> >   Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to
>> >   learn.
>> >   reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn
>> > it on
>> >   turn on voice over and have fun.
>> >
>> >   -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
>> >   Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM
>> >   To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> >   Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
>> >
>> >   Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad
>> > and a
>> >   Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile
>> > versions
>> >   of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't?  I have been considering
>> >   purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it
>> >   is
>> >   really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS.  I have been using
>> >   NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on
>> > some web
>> >   pages.
>> >
>> >   On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>> > >Tony,
>> > >
>> > >   I share some of your frustrations.  I had to use JAWS more
>> > > during the
>> > >   past
>> > >   year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all
>> > > of  what
>> > >   I
>> > >feel are bugs in JAWS.  It always seemed to me that many JAWS
>> > > users
>> > >felt
>> > >that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs.  On my job, both JAWS and
>> > >Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while
>> > > NVDA did
>> > >not
>> > >work with it.  While I like my iPhone, I have found myself
>> > >frustrated
>> > >there with bugs as well.  The pace of change in technology,
>> > >particularly
>> > >web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our
>> > > access on  all
>> > >platforms in my opinion.  I know of people who have switched
>> >

RE: interesting problem with Notepad

2017-03-09 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

My observations are subjective at best, but I think that Microsoft Office
products somehow affect focusing and sometimes even how the cursor works in
other applications.  If you have the problem in NotePad again, it would be
interesting to know if it clears up without closing and opening the file if
you close all Microsoft programs.  Be sure that there isn't a Microsoft
OneDrive loggin prompt open.

Since I have been compelled to use JAWS more, I have noticed that when it
gets confused, it has a "Lost Focus" message which seems to happen most
frequently when Microsoft Office products are running, particularly Outlook.
I mention that here because I think screen readers may be encountering some
similar issues but handling them differently.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 12:28 PM
To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: interesting problem with Notepad

I don't recall ever seeing this in Notepad. But I do agree. If I have
several programs open, and particularly if I'm jumping back and forth
between them a lot, usually because they're all related to a project, things
can get dicey, especially if I've been pounding away at it all day long.
So I generally don't leave everything I might use open.
Regards,
Tom

Dropped from my iDrone

> On Mar 8, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk
 wrote:
> 
> I have had similar problems with notepad and other programs.
> I don't think that it is a problem with the settings, but a problem where
Window-eyes is not always changing to the correct setfile for the program
which has focus.
> This often happens to me when I have several programs opened, and I
alt-tab back and forth.
> As you say, closing the program and re-opening it often fixes the problem.
> 
> Jeff Weiss
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 2:40 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: interesting problem with Notepad
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a text file in Notepad which has phone numbers, etc. Normally, it
> reads just fine.  Right now, I can arrow through a letter or word at a
> time and they are spoken.  The problem comes when trying to read by
> line.  The screen is maximized.  I can route the mouse to the cursor and
> can read the line with the mouse.  I can read by line if I select the
> text.  I can press control-numpad 5 and can read the line.  This is very
> annoying as I want to arrow down to get particular information from the
> file. I have checked all of the settings I can think of to try, cursor
> keys, voice keys, general settings, etc.  All seem to be in order.  This
> is a file I use just about every day.  I have noticed it do this
> occasionally, but it always comes back if I close and reopen the file.
> Does anyone have any other ideas I can try? Thank you.
> 
> Carol
> 
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RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

2017-01-19 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Steve,

It would be interesting to sit down with you and understand better what your
approach is, I would guess that there is a good deal I could learn from you.
However, I still feel you are missing the point of what I wrote.  

To clarify, I would maintain that if Microsoft changed to some new menu
structure tomorrow and you and a sighted co-worker sat down tomorrow to do
some task and the items needed for that task was on the screen that it is
likely they would do it faster until you became more familiar with the new
structure and developed an approach.  I have not ever argued that you might
not develop methods of doing it more quickly, but you have to go through the
development process.  Many of us do this and we compete well.  When I
originally wrote on this, I was responding some to posts that indicated that
we tend to not like change and that we have to realize the world is
changing.  I'm paraphrasing.  My contention was that when things change, we
tend to have to take the time to develop and/or learn alternative means to
work efficiently.  In some cases, the methods we choose will be more
efficient than the visual interface that is generally used.  I also
recognize that some sighted people develop their own more efficient
approaches as well.  Therefore, change poses more of a problem for those of
us who need to develop a more efficient way of operating because we are at
somewhat of a disadvantage until we have alternative procedures in place.
Our alternative approaches, once in place, may very well be more efficient,
but in some cases, our alternative approaches need better support.

.  You may have a way around this, but I have found that using keystrokes in
Excel, for example, has gotten more frustrating.  I find that if I type a
three key sequence quickly to get to a known item on the ribbon, sometimes
keystrokes are lost.  Therefore, I have to throttle back sometimes.  I
probably still get there faster, though, than by moving a mouse.  Let me be
clear, I am not saying it can't be done and that we can't get good at it,
only that I think we have more of a challengs at the outset which makes us
not embrace change when it happens.  You may still disagree with me, but I
have never argued that we could never be more efficient than someone using a
mouse, as long as some of the methods we use are implemented well.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt [mailto:st...@comproom.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:38 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Hi Steve,

I would disagree.  I can often find things in word quicker than sighted
people using that box.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 15 January 2017 20:29
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Steve,

This is a useful tip, and I was not trying to assume anything.  My point,
though, was that we adopt strategies to be efficient that may depend upon a
number of less obvious features of programs.  Even your solution is not as
quick as visually finding something on the ribbon, moving the mouse pointer
to it and clicking.  However, adding a feature that is used often to the
custom toolbar is probably quicker than using a mouse, but this still
involves some setup.  We work to find ways of being efficient and by
networking and such we succeed pretty well.  I was not saying it couldn't be
done.  However, when software is updated, our methods of being efficient are
often broken and need to be recreated, even if the software is technically
accessible.  I think this makes some of our resistance to change
understandable, and I also think we have to think some about interface
issues in the long run because change will become more and more a part of
the evolution of technology.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Hi Steve,

You're assuming though that everyone has to go the long way round to access
ribbons and options within them.

In Office for example, you don't need to access the ribbon when you can't
find something.  Just bring it up, then tab to the Tell Me What To Do edit
box, and type in what you want.  It is usually found, however deeply it is
buried.  The problem is training.  Trainers don't teach these additional
methods of getting there quickly.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 13 January 2017 16:53
To: 'Window-Ey

RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

2017-01-15 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Steve,

This is a useful tip, and I was not trying to assume anything.  My point,
though, was that we adopt strategies to be efficient that may depend upon a
number of less obvious features of programs.  Even your solution is not as
quick as visually finding something on the ribbon, moving the mouse pointer
to it and clicking.  However, adding a feature that is used often to the
custom toolbar is probably quicker than using a mouse, but this still
involves some setup.  We work to find ways of being efficient and by
networking and such we succeed pretty well.  I was not saying it couldn't be
done.  However, when software is updated, our methods of being efficient are
often broken and need to be recreated, even if the software is technically
accessible.  I think this makes some of our resistance to change
understandable, and I also think we have to think some about interface
issues in the long run because change will become more and more a part of
the evolution of technology.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:48 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Hi Steve,

You're assuming though that everyone has to go the long way round to access
ribbons and options within them.

In Office for example, you don't need to access the ribbon when you can't
find something.  Just bring it up, then tab to the Tell Me What To Do edit
box, and type in what you want.  It is usually found, however deeply it is
buried.  The problem is training.  Trainers don't teach these additional
methods of getting there quickly.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
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Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Peter and all,

While I mostly agree with you, especially given that we have fairly good
accessibility built into products that are much more complicated than those
of fifteen or twenty years ago, I think we are often affected more by change
than are sighted people.  There needs to be some thought as to how this can
be handled.  While this can affect the ability of a new blind user to learn
software, its greatest impact is on those who have used software for a long
time and have become efficient in its use.

For example, let's look at the Microsoft Ribbon.  This was a major change to
the way that options are displayed in Microsoft products.  However, even
though it can be frustrating for sighted users. It is usually possible to
locate options by visually inspecting the ribbon and then moving the mouse
directly to that item without serious delay.  The act of moving the mouse to
a given location and then clicking on it is a standard action that is not
dependent on anything that is unique to the ribbon or Microsoft Office.  The
complaints I hear from sighted users are more along the line of how much
space the ribbon takes, and there are even some workarounds for that.  I
don't read a lot of complaints about the ribbon any more in the general
press although I suppose there are complaints out there yet.

So why was the change to the ribbon difficult for us?  The ribbon has pretty
much always been accessible in a technical sense.  In my opinion, it is
because our greatest efficiency is achieved by our memory and our ability to
repeat a sequence of actions reliably.  When confronted with the ribbon
rather than a typical menu system, our method of finding an item is to use
the navigation that is built into Office to examine the ribbon sequentially.
If that navigation is sluggish, it will slow our ability even beyond what we
are already experiencing because of needing to look sequentially.
Therefore, even when accessibility is implemented, we depend upon more
levels of the software, operating system and specific software, to get the
information we need.  In addition, we are needing to access information
sequentially rather than being able to take the shortest path to the desired
item as can be done visually with the mouse.

We do get around all this in time by learning keyboard shortcuts and
accellerator keys.  As a rule, though, keyboard shortcuts and accellerators
are assigned to some degree by their locations in menus and ribbons.  In
menus, there were generally two keystrokes involved, the first to get to the
pulldown and the second to choose the specific item.  The order of the items
in a menu affect the keystrokes assigned.  Typing a letter will get one to
the first item starting with that letter.  If there is another item starting
with the same letter, the next letter of the item not already assigned is
used.  In the end, we generally figure out how to do this efficiently, and
we get these keystrokes reinforced

RE: Called JAWS the other day

2017-01-14 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Dave,

Often VFO runs extreme discounts around the consumer conventions in July.  I
received my home edition of JAWS 16 for $75 in 2015, and the same thing was
offered last summer.  I was able to upgrade it for $250 to the professional
version that could run on a corporate computer.  If you are interested, I
would watch for promotions around the conventions next summer and perhaps
even around CSUN.  There is no guarantee, of course, and you are right to be
concerned about the price.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 4:45 PM
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: Called JAWS the other day

Had too much time on my hands the other day, so decided to Call the
folks over at JAWS to see what their current pricing would be for a new
copy of JAWS 18.  

I was told $1100

then I asked if I would receive a discount if I owned Window eyes.  Theguy
told me, No, the price for a new copy of JAWS 18 would be $1100.  

For you Sun is always Shining Optimists, perhaps this will change in the
future.   And for those of you who see the Window Eyes Sky Falling, best
start saving up your spare change.  $1100 firm.  

Grumpy Dave


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RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

2017-01-13 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Peter and all,

While I mostly agree with you, especially given that we have fairly good
accessibility built into products that are much more complicated than those
of fifteen or twenty years ago, I think we are often affected more by change
than are sighted people.  There needs to be some thought as to how this can
be handled.  While this can affect the ability of a new blind user to learn
software, its greatest impact is on those who have used software for a long
time and have become efficient in its use.

For example, let's look at the Microsoft Ribbon.  This was a major change to
the way that options are displayed in Microsoft products.  However, even
though it can be frustrating for sighted users. It is usually possible to
locate options by visually inspecting the ribbon and then moving the mouse
directly to that item without serious delay.  The act of moving the mouse to
a given location and then clicking on it is a standard action that is not
dependent on anything that is unique to the ribbon or Microsoft Office.  The
complaints I hear from sighted users are more along the line of how much
space the ribbon takes, and there are even some workarounds for that.  I
don't read a lot of complaints about the ribbon any more in the general
press although I suppose there are complaints out there yet.

So why was the change to the ribbon difficult for us?  The ribbon has pretty
much always been accessible in a technical sense.  In my opinion, it is
because our greatest efficiency is achieved by our memory and our ability to
repeat a sequence of actions reliably.  When confronted with the ribbon
rather than a typical menu system, our method of finding an item is to use
the navigation that is built into Office to examine the ribbon sequentially.
If that navigation is sluggish, it will slow our ability even beyond what we
are already experiencing because of needing to look sequentially.
Therefore, even when accessibility is implemented, we depend upon more
levels of the software, operating system and specific software, to get the
information we need.  In addition, we are needing to access information
sequentially rather than being able to take the shortest path to the desired
item as can be done visually with the mouse.

We do get around all this in time by learning keyboard shortcuts and
accellerator keys.  As a rule, though, keyboard shortcuts and accellerators
are assigned to some degree by their locations in menus and ribbons.  In
menus, there were generally two keystrokes involved, the first to get to the
pulldown and the second to choose the specific item.  The order of the items
in a menu affect the keystrokes assigned.  Typing a letter will get one to
the first item starting with that letter.  If there is another item starting
with the same letter, the next letter of the item not already assigned is
used.  In the end, we generally figure out how to do this efficiently, and
we get these keystrokes reinforced by the menu system itself.

So what about the ribbon.  Pretty much all of the above approaches are
implemented in the ribbon.  In addition, there are keys to jump through the
groups as well.  However, many, if not most, of the accellerator key
sequences have changed there.  Rather than needing to look for a command or
function for an extra second or two, we can spend a great deal of time
working through the ribbon sequentially or trying keystrokes we think might
work.  The effect of the change on us is far greater than it is on people
using these same products with vision even though accessibility exists
technically.

I've used the ribbon as an example because it is probably one of the more
extreme examples and it is one we have often faced.  However, this
difference in how we access software is very true in other areas.  For
example, because of how accellerator keys are assigned, changing the order
that items appear in a pulldown menu can change which keys access them.  A
change in the order may hardly be noticed by someone clicking with a mouse
but needing to use different keystrokes to get there can have a much greater
impact on us.  It requires that we relearn a pattern while it requires only
a minor adjustment for the person using a mouse.  Moving an item out of a
menu into a toolbar might make it more quickly identifiable visually while
it might make it harder for us to find in some cases, especially if the item
is moved to a deeper level in a menu because it is now on a toolbar.  There
are other examples as well but I've already gone on too long.

The point is that although I agree with Peter that we are probably better
off then we think regarding accessibility, there are things about efficient
interfaces that are not really well understood.  This is getting worse as
software becomes more complex and developers struggle to make their
applications easier to use visually.  While there are basics that we can
insist be implemented, it is really not easy to make all of the above clear
to a

RE: a windows 7 network issue

2016-12-29 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Rod,

Could you explain more what you think happened?  I thought he might be
disconnected because I have never had to click on Home Group to get to it
from Windows Explorer, I have always been able to arrow to it just over "My
Computer," and understanding this better may save me time later. 

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:22 PM
To: Lee Hodgson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: a windows 7 network issue

Hi Lee,

You are still connected to your Home Group, as are the other computers.
The problem is a display issue within the Network window.
With Network open, route your mouse pointer to the top left of the Network
window, and then use the mouse line down command to come down one line at a
time until you find Home Group.
When you find it, use the mouse left-click button to click it, and then
you'll see the computers in the Home Group lined up under each other.
Note that this is a tree view, and so the Network screen is attempting to
arrange the various devices within the different networks which you are
connected to hierarchically.

Hth,

Rod

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Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 2:23 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: a windows 7 network issue 

Can anyone help.

I made the mistake of opening network on my 7 machine when one of the 
others on the home group was rebooting.

Now, my network on the 7 machine is only showing the netwokr group, 
not the computers on the home group in the network window.
I have tried rebooting, refreshing and to no avail.  I need this 
network to be working properly as I move files around the pc's when 
editing and so on.

Can anyone help and tell me how to get the computers in the home 
hgroup to re appear in the network window please.
I am confident it was something that happened due to me iopening 
network at the wrong time. it must have caused an effect.

Please help. smiles.
thanks
]

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RE: a windows 7 network issue

2016-12-29 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

First, make sure other machines on the network are still showing that they
are part of the home group.  If they are, I would try reconnecting to your
home group.  It sounds as though you may have gotten disconnected.  If you
type the word "home" in the start menu, you should see a result for Home
Group and for fixing problems with Home Group.  Open Home group and try
"Leaving Home group" and then Joining Home group.  You will need your Home
Group password.  

This may sound ridiculous, but be sure your computer that suddenly lost the
home group is connecting to the same network.  I had a problem once where
one of my computers could not find my home group, and it turned out it had
connected to another wireless network I had forgotten was still active.
Most of the dumb suggestions I have are a result of things that have
happened to me.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Behalf Of George Brechman via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 2:03 PM
To: 'Lee Hodgson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: a windows 7 network issue

Lee,
Try a system restore.
George

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Behalf Of Lee Hodgson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 2:23 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: a windows 7 network issue

Can anyone help.

I made the mistake of opening network on my 7 machine when one of the 
others on the home group was rebooting.

Now, my network on the 7 machine is only showing the netwokr group, 
not the computers on the home group in the network window.
I have tried rebooting, refreshing and to no avail.  I need this 
network to be working properly as I move files around the pc's when 
editing and so on.

Can anyone help and tell me how to get the computers in the home 
hgroup to re appear in the network window please.
I am confident it was something that happened due to me iopening 
network at the wrong time. it must have caused an effect.

Please help. smiles.
thanks
]

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RE: converting files from a CD to mp3 using the Windows Media PlayerwithWindows 7

2016-12-26 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Pam,

I know what you mean and you won't get an argument fro me regarding Windows
Media Player sometimes changing or even being hard to figure out sometimes.
Unfortunately, over the years, I've made other choices only to find that
they changed and even became unuseable sometimes.  My point only was that
WMP, if you figure it out, can go right from CD to MP3 and it is already
right there.  For example, some years ago, and I don't remember which
software it was now, but all of a sudden it stopped being able to get CD
information because of the CD database changing.  It is nice that there are
options.

Happy Holidays,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Pamela Dominguez [mailto:geo...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 11:22 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: converting files from a CD to mp3 using the Windows Media
PlayerwithWindows 7

The problem with windows media player is that every time it updates, things 
get changed around and it doesn't behave the same way it did before.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 11:50 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: converting files from a CD to mp3 using the Windows Media 
PlayerwithWindows 7

I have also had pretty good luck with Windows Media Player, although I would
agree with Dave that it isn't always obvious what one should be doing with
that software.  I wanted to mention, though, that if one is going to rip a
number of CD's, there is a check box that will cause CD's to be ripped
automatically and converted into the format that is chosen.  Also, if you
are focused on the Now Playing window, and you can get there with CONTROL 3,
there is a "Rip" button there as well.

Of course, this is not meant to imply that there is anything wrong with
bringing files into Gold Wave or other editor, I have just found Windows
Media Player to work well once I figured out what to do.

Happy Holidays,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 12:10 AM
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Subject: RE: converting files from a CD to mp3 using the Windows Media
Player withWindows 7

This should not be difficult at all using WMP. Before ripping the cd onto
your hard drive, while in Media Player, press Alt-T for tools, O for
options. Shift tab to the tab controls and right arrow to the rip tab
control. Now tab to the format combo box and select MP three. Tab to OK and
press Enter.
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Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: converting files from a CD to mp3 using the Windows Media Player
withWindows 7

I've been trying to convert a CD to mp3 format using Windows media
player that comes with Windows 7.  I'm finding it a good bit more difficult
than it was with XP.  Does anyone have any ideas?
Kim Lingo
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RE: converting files from a CD to mp3 using the Windows Media Player withWindows 7

2016-12-26 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

I have also had pretty good luck with Windows Media Player, although I would
agree with Dave that it isn't always obvious what one should be doing with
that software.  I wanted to mention, though, that if one is going to rip a
number of CD's, there is a check box that will cause CD's to be ripped
automatically and converted into the format that is chosen.  Also, if you
are focused on the Now Playing window, and you can get there with CONTROL 3,
there is a "Rip" button there as well.  

Of course, this is not meant to imply that there is anything wrong with
bringing files into Gold Wave or other editor, I have just found Windows
Media Player to work well once I figured out what to do.

Happy Holidays,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 12:10 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: converting files from a CD to mp3 using the Windows Media
Player withWindows 7

This should not be difficult at all using WMP. Before ripping the cd onto
your hard drive, while in Media Player, press Alt-T for tools, O for
options. Shift tab to the tab controls and right arrow to the rip tab
control. Now tab to the format combo box and select MP three. Tab to OK and
press Enter.
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: converting files from a CD to mp3 using the Windows Media Player
withWindows 7

I've been trying to convert a CD to mp3 format using Windows media
player that comes with Windows 7.  I'm finding it a good bit more difficult
than it was with XP.  Does anyone have any ideas?
Kim Lingo
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RE: default browser

2016-12-15 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

I thought I had read something that says that there is also supposed to be a
way with Anniversary Edition to cause Cortana results to be displayed by
Internet Explorer instead of Microsoft Edge, but that it is separate from
the default browser setting.  As I recall, it was a change to the registry
before the Anniversary Edition but could be done through an interface now.
Does anybody have any information about this?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 9:47 AM
To: Linette Sukup ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: default browser

Linette,

Just open the Cortana search box with the Windows key and start typing 
Default. You'll get Default programs. Press enter and tab down through 
the buttons for mail, music, etc. until you find whatever browser is the 
default.
You can also enter Choose a default browser and that will put you in the 
same window right on the browser button.

Hth,
Tom

On 12/15/2016 9:36 AM, Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:
>
>
> Windows 10, latest WE I thought that I had set Firefox as my default
> browser, but Win 10 keeps wanting me to use Edge and Internet Explorer.
>
> How do I change this, or is it best to call the accessibility number?
> Thank you.
>
> Peace.
> LineLinette
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RE: Question, What is JART?

2016-12-08 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Robert,

Given what you are asking in your note below, it might even be worth taking
a second look at WordPad.  It seems to handle the functions you are asking
about, although it does use a ribbon rather than the old menu structure.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 12:47 AM
To: Talk 
Subject: Re: Question, What is JART?

With Jart, can you center a line or paragraph,underline, tab, bold?

-Bob

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Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 8:27 PM
To: Robert Ringwald ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Question, What is JART?

Jarte is a wonderful little writing program. It is designed for people
who want something to write with and don't want/need all the bells and
whistles contained in Office and programs like it. I don't exactly
remember when I downloaded it, but I find it very accessible.

Peace.
Linette

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RE: Finding all Duplicates II

2016-12-06 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

There is a remove duplicates option on the Data tab in Excel.  It should
work to just paste all numbers into Excel if there is one number per line
and then sort the column and then remove duplicates.  I think this would be
worth a try before writing a program.  Also, the sort in excel is generally
easy to use, so I would consider sorting there even if one does not want to
remove duplicates automatically.  

If a word document is needed, one could just select the entire column with
CONTROL-SPACE and copy it back into word.  Doing this may create a table in
word, so one might want to use the "Paste" option on the HOME tab on the
ribbon and choose text only.  Another approach to avoid creating a table is
to copy the column into NotePad and then copying the NotePad data into word.
You don't have to even save the NotePad document, just use it as a holding
area.  Of course, there are other ways of doing this as well, this is just
one approach.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 10:15 AM
To: 'Dave' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Finding all Duplicates II

Simple really:
Depending on the object holding the list you could write a little program to
read the list one line at a time, one number at a time.
Then look in a new list to see if the number is already there.If so skip
adding it again.
If not add it to the new list.
The technicals depends on what object holds the current list and what tools
you have available to you to do this.
There are even simpler methods if you have the tools but I have no clue what
you have nor what you are familiar with. 
Rick USA

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:29 AM
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: Finding all Duplicates II

Good Morning,

Thanks for the several suggestions.  

Here's a bit more on what I am doing:

The Company's Voice Mail has been acting up for a couple of months now. 
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.  And lately, it hasn't.  

So when customers call in, if all Customer Service people are busy, the
caller should go to voice mail.  Well, they don't.  they just go away.  

The phone system does record all numbers calling in, so there is a list
of phone numbers.   But we have no way of knowing the name of the
customer calling, just their number.  And some people call every day, or
multiple times per day.  So in the record there are going to be duplicates.



--
And the crazy thing is that there is no way that anyone knows, as how to get
this list of numbers out of the Phone Systems records.  

Now, I am sure there is a file some where on the systems storage, but those
who know something about the phone system have no idea where that file would
be, or what it would be called.  

So, the Boss has someone reading me these phone numbers out of the phone
system.  I then have been typing them out in a Document, as in a long list.


Just by hearing the numbers, I can tell when I hear a duplicate number, but
this is not fool proof.  

So I have these phone numbers, in a Word File.  Hundreds of phone numbers,
and I am to remove the duplicates, because the Boss intends for Customer
Service to call all of these numbers back.  

The Company already looks like idiots since customers are not getting called
back, and then to have the poor souls in Customer Service call a customer
twice, three times or more, isn't going to look great either.  

So, I and another have been tasked with getting all of these numbers into a
file, to be given to customer service, and with no duplicates.  

  Welcome to the Real World when it comes to problem solving.  

Butch's Sorting in DOS sounds like a possible solution.  I can save my
document as a Text file.  I'll give this a try.

Since I have hundreds of numbers to weed through, I was trying to use the
power of the computer to strip out the duplicates, rather than having me and
this other person go through them one at a time and hoping to remove all
duplicates.  

So thought I would ask the list here, since we have some smart folks here.  

Grumpy Dave


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RE: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows Reliably

2016-11-05 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

David,

Yes, I've already been in contact with AI Squared but you were the first
person I've read who has gone through the PC reset process which is why I
was interested in your comments.  Thanks.  I am a long-time Window-Eyes user
and have always appreciated their support.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: David Goldfield [mailto:david.goldfi...@outlook.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:40 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows Reliably

Steve,

Yes, even keeping personal files will remove your apps. You should still 
be left with items such as documents and downloads but I'd still 
recommending a full backup before doing the reset, if that's what you 
plan to do. Have you contacted AI Squared for any additional 
suggestions? If you're using the commercial version of Window-eyes you'd 
get free support and so it wouldn't hurt to contact them directly first. 
I'm using the free edition for users of Office and, for me, doing the 
reset on a Saturday was something I didn't mind doing.



On 11/5/2016 1:33 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> David,
>   
> I have tried the repair without success and have it on good authority that
a
> reset is necessary.  I did not realize that leaving personal files would
> still remove apps, though, so I appreciate that explanation.  Using
Narrator
> is not a problem here so I have to just decide if it is worth taking the
> plunge.  Thanks for the input.
> Best regards,
> Steve Jacobson
> -Original Message-
>   From: Talk [
> mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com
> ] On Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
>   Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:58 AM
>   To: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>   Subject: Re: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows
> Reliably
>   
>   
>   Steve,
>   
>   
>   First, Loy's suggestion below is worth an attempt, as I'd hate to see
>   anybody going through a reset if doing so can be avoided. In my case,
>   running the diagnostics Loy describes did not solve the problem for me
>   but, if it does for you, it's a very quick fix.
>   
>   
>   With my computer, it was upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and I
>   eventually upgraded it to the anniversary update. The reset option has
>   the option of keeping personal files, which I chose, but even this
>   option will erase any programs that you have installed. Therefore, while
>   a reset will likely solve the problem you're having you will have to
>   reinstall and, in most cases, reconfigure all of your software. In my
>   case, the issue I was having with Window-eyes was one of three issues,
>   all of which were likely unrelated. The other problems I was having is
>   that my backup would fail at around 4 percent and I'd get an error every
>   time I would launch System Protection. I found these problems to be
>   extremely inconvenient. I did call the Microsoft answer desk but all of
>   the attempts the rep tried to implement did not fix my issues. He was
>   willing to escalate the problem to a higher tier but I concluded that
>   performing a reset and reinstalling my software would actually take less
>   time than having another rep trying more solutions and so a reset is
>   what I chose. Again, it's something I'd prefer to see you avoid if at
>   all possible. If you do decide to go ahead with it, be prepared to use
>   Narrator for part of it. 
>   
>   
>   As to what may have caused all of the problems I was having in the first
>   place, I'm not sure. However, while I can't prove it I'm thinking it may
>   have been when I ran the Kaspersky removal tool to remove an old version
>   but, again, I can't prove it.
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   On 11/5/2016 12:42 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>   > Have you tried to repair the windows 10 display driver from the apps
> menu, diagnostics in Window Eye control panel?
>   >- Original Message -
>   >From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
>   >To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>   >Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 12:34 PM
>   >Subject: RE: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows
> Reliably
>   >
>   >
>   >David,
>   >
>   >I am experiencing some similar behavior.  Was your computer one
that
> was
>   >upgeraded from Windows 7 to 10 and then to the Anniversary Edition?
I
> am
>   >looking at trying the PC Reset but have been holding back thinking
I
> might
>   >need to reinstall all my personal files, but maybe it is worth a
try
> as you
>   >

Re: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows Reliably

2016-11-05 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

David,  

I have tried the repair without success and have it on good authority that a
reset is necessary.  I did not realize that leaving personal files would
still remove apps, though, so I appreciate that explanation.  Using Narrator
is not a problem here so I have to just decide if it is worth taking the
plunge.  Thanks for the input.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
-Original Message-
 From: Talk [ 
mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com 
] On Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:58 AM
 To: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 Subject: Re: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows
Reliably

 Steve,

 First, Loy's suggestion below is worth an attempt, as I'd hate to see
 anybody going through a reset if doing so can be avoided. In my case,
 running the diagnostics Loy describes did not solve the problem for me
 but, if it does for you, it's a very quick fix.

 With my computer, it was upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and I
 eventually upgraded it to the anniversary update. The reset option has
 the option of keeping personal files, which I chose, but even this
 option will erase any programs that you have installed. Therefore, while
 a reset will likely solve the problem you're having you will have to
 reinstall and, in most cases, reconfigure all of your software. In my
 case, the issue I was having with Window-eyes was one of three issues,
 all of which were likely unrelated. The other problems I was having is
 that my backup would fail at around 4 percent and I'd get an error every
 time I would launch System Protection. I found these problems to be
 extremely inconvenient. I did call the Microsoft answer desk but all of
 the attempts the rep tried to implement did not fix my issues. He was
 willing to escalate the problem to a higher tier but I concluded that
 performing a reset and reinstalling my software would actually take less
 time than having another rep trying more solutions and so a reset is
 what I chose. Again, it's something I'd prefer to see you avoid if at
 all possible. If you do decide to go ahead with it, be prepared to use
 Narrator for part of it. 

 As to what may have caused all of the problems I was having in the first
 place, I'm not sure. However, while I can't prove it I'm thinking it may
 have been when I ran the Kaspersky removal tool to remove an old version
 but, again, I can't prove it.

 On 11/5/2016 12:42 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
 > Have you tried to repair the windows 10 display driver from the apps
menu, diagnostics in Window Eye control panel?
 >- Original Message -
 >    From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
 >To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 >Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 12:34 PM
 >Subject: RE: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows
Reliably
 >
 >
 >David,
 >
 >I am experiencing some similar behavior.  Was your computer one that
was
 >upgeraded from Windows 7 to 10 and then to the Anniversary Edition?  I
am
 >looking at trying the PC Reset but have been holding back thinking I
might
 >need to reinstall all my personal files, but maybe it is worth a try
as you
 >describe.
 >
 >Best regards,
 >
 >Steve Jacobson
 >
 >
 >-Original Message-
 >From: Talk
 >[ 
mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com 
] On
 >Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
 >Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 7:23 PM
 >To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 >Subject: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows
Reliably
 >
 >A couple of weeks ago, I posted to this list about an odd problem I
was
 >having where Window-eyes would not read certain windows properly. As
an
 >example, if I entered the run dialog, Window-eyes would just read the
 >currently selected desktop icon when I tried to enter text, even
though
 >the dialog was open. Chris suggested that my antivirus program may
have
 >quarantined certain components of Window-eyes and this suggestion
 >sounded reasonable and I was willing to pursue it. However, I was also
 >experiencing several other issues, totally unrelated to accessibility
 >and I decided to perform a reset. I did the reset, choosing to keep
 >personal files and my problems, including the odd accessibility quirks
 >with Window-eyes, were gone. I just wanted to post this update.
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RE: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows Reliably

2016-11-05 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

David,

I am experiencing some similar behavior.  Was your computer one that was
upgeraded from Windows 7 to 10 and then to the Anniversary Edition?  I am
looking at trying the PC Reset but have been holding back thinking I might
need to reinstall all my personal files, but maybe it is worth a try as you
describe.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 7:23 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows Reliably

A couple of weeks ago, I posted to this list about an odd problem I was 
having where Window-eyes would not read certain windows properly. As an 
example, if I entered the run dialog, Window-eyes would just read the 
currently selected desktop icon when I tried to enter text, even though 
the dialog was open. Chris suggested that my antivirus program may have 
quarantined certain components of Window-eyes and this suggestion 
sounded reasonable and I was willing to pursue it. However, I was also 
experiencing several other issues, totally unrelated to accessibility 
and I decided to perform a reset. I did the reset, choosing to keep 
personal files and my problems, including the odd accessibility quirks 
with Window-eyes, were gone. I just wanted to post this update.

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RE: WE 9.5 Stopped reading Becky Email

2016-09-24 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Joseph,

If you just installed Becky for the first time, there are some settings in
Becky that you need to change for it to work correctly.  There is a
Knowledge Base article that describes the settings.  One of the changes is
necessary to use the arrow keys to read messages.  I assume that this is not
Dave's problem though, although it probably is worth to checking to be sure
that settings within becky didn't change.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:51 PM
To: 'Dave' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: WE 9.5 Stopped reading Becky Email

Hi:

Although I have never used Becky before, just for the heck of it, I
installed and set up the program.

I do notice some issues with Becky, WE 9.5.3 and the Win 10 update, but,
they don't seem identical to your own issues.

Although I could pull up the list of messages, I also had trouble reading
the entire message.

I would press Enter on a message and the  first page would read, then,
silence.  Nothing I did could get much of a response. I could read with the
mouse keys, though.

Anyway, something doesn't seem right here.

Sorry I couldn't be more help.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 11:25 PM
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: WE 9.5 Stopped reading Becky Email

Hello,

I too recieved the Windows 10 update, and after it was finished, I have
noticed several things different, and that no longer work as they once did.

the main issues so far is that my Becky Email program works as it should. 
I can grab emails sent to me, and I can write and send them.  The problem is
that WE 9.5 will not read the Body of the Text.

When opening an Email, I hear, "Veticle Edit" and then nothing.  Moving the
Arrows keys read nothing.  Moving the Mouse reads nothing. 
Attempting to read the entire screen reads nothing but the Menus and the
Titles of the Emails, but will not read the body of text.

I asked someone sighted and the text of the body is on screen, but WE
9.5 will not read it. 

Does anyone have a suggestion as what I can do to fix this?

I am using NVDA to read and write my Emails in Becky until I can figure out
or be shown a Fix.


Another thing, which has nothing to do with WE 9.5, is when I open my
Downlod Folder and I press F10, and arrow down to Send To-  

I press the Right Arrow, which opens Send To, and then I arrow down, looking
for the Flash drive that is plugged into one of the Systems USB ports.
There are no drives listed.  

In fact, this Send To list is much shorter than before the Windows 10
Update.  


At this point, I do not know if this New Shorter list is the New
Imporovments that come with the new Windows 10, or if I have had a slight
Update malfunction.  

Anyone else have this problem?

Grumpy Dave



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Dave 

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RE: major dropbox problem

2016-09-03 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

On my version, the applications key now works from the system tray.  Give
that a try, or use SHIFT F10 if your computer doesn't have an Applications
key.


Best regards,

Steve Jacobson
 
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Jed Barton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 3:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: major dropbox problem

Hey guys,
OK, i can no longer access dropbox menu to make changes.  When i go to 
the dropbox thingy in my task tray, i do a single left mouse click, 
nothing, i do a single right mouse click, nothing.
Any ideas?
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RE: bell

2016-08-28 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

In the old days, many characters in the lower ranges performed functions
rather than bweing displayed.  For example, there was a control character
that caused a bell to ring on old teletype machines.  I believe it was
CONTROL-G.  This character was used in computers to sometimes sound a beep.
I believe this character is used to define the boundary between cells in
tables particularly in Microsoft products.  You will here "Bell"
particularly if you are using the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to move through
tables, but you may sometimes hear this at other times depending upon other
settings.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 8:48 AM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: bell

I have observed this behavior, also, and it has nothing to do with E-mail. 
It has to do with tables. I haven't noticed it yet with the newest build of 
Window-Eyes, but Ihave observed it previously, especially with MS Word 2010 
tables.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 5:40 AM
To: Rod Hutton ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: bell

Hi Alison,

Forgive me, I meant you could add the sender, not the recipient, to your
junk sender's list.  It's a little early in the morning for me, I think.
Smile

Good luck,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:38 AM
To: 'CJ  MAY' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: bell

Hi Alison,

Well, if you don't recognize the sender, and the subject is confusing, and
the body is meaningless, you could simply add the recipient to your junk
sender's list.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:20 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: bell

Forgive me if this message has already been sent.

I receive certain messages, usually in table lay-out, where Window-eyes is
constantly saying "bell"; what is the significance of this and how can I
stop it please?



Alison



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RE: Trouble Using Office/Word 2013

2016-08-17 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Matthew,

Sometimes in Word and Excel 2013 one has to press the ALT key to bring up
the ribbon and then again to dismiss the ribbon.  There are times when you
have to maximize the window before the ribbon can be brought up as well.
This is very annoying but the above usually seems to resolve the problem.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: Trouble Using Office/Word 2013

Hi, Folks.  I'm having some problems using Microsft Word 2013. When I 
started typing a document, I noticed that when cursoring back to text I 
wanted to edit, WE didn't speak any characters as I either cursored or 
back-spaced over them.  What's the problem, and how can I fix it?  
Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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RE: Working with Excel 2016

2016-08-16 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Chris,

This is helpful but won't work if she needs to make a correction.  Is there
a problem with F2 in Excel 2016?  I'm not there yet but will probably have
to be there before long.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Hi,
If you are just checking spelling, just hit shift-control-d twice.
This will spell out the contents of the cell.

Chris

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Subject: Working with Excel 2016

Hi all,
When I'm in a particular cell that I want to check, I cannot read what's in
that cell when pressing
the f2 keystroke.  I thought this was the "edit" keystroke.  What setting am
I missing?  I need to
check the spelling of names for accuracy.  Thank you for help here. 

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RE: problem using Windows Live Mail

2016-08-11 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Kim,

When you hear that the contact has been matched, press enter to cause the 
matching information to be filled in.  When I tried this, a semicolon was 
appended automatically so I could just press space and start typing the next 
contact.  By typing a semicolon without pressing enter, you caused the partial 
addresses you had typed to be stored instead of the complete matched 
information.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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Cc: Bill Zimmermann 
Subject: problem using Windows Live Mail

I am having a problem using Windows Live Mail which I just had installed on my 
new(er) computer.  I’m now using Windows 7 which came with it, and Window-Eyes 
9.5.1.

The person who helped me set this up helped me import all my contacts into the 
address book.

I’ve tried sending a message with multiple names.  When I type in one or 
sometimes two letters, I hear the appropriate email address pronounced by 
Window-eyes.  I was advised to place a semicolon after each name, and to 
separate them by a return.  I did that.  When I hit the send key combination 
(alt-s) I’m told that no matches were found for these names, even though they 
are recognized when I type them.

Does anyone have any ideas why this isn’t working?
Kim Lingo
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RE: adobe audition and window-eyes

2016-07-29 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

As far as I know, it is still on App Central.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Jed Barton [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 11:36 AM
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Subject: Re: adobe audition and window-eyes

so there's an app for it?  Any idea where to find it?

On 7/29/2016 10:14 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> Jed,
>
> I am not certain then why you would spend the time and money on Audition
or
> Sound Forge rather than trying Audasity or Gold Wave.  There may even be a
> few other options out there that would let you edit sound as you describe.
> I think Total Recorder has some of those option and perhaps even MP3Cut,
> although you may not be able to use their free versions.  Their paid
> versions are pretty inexpensive, though.
>
> Still, if you try Adobe Audition, I would be interested to hear about your
> experience.  I believe you will need the app, though.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jed Barton [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 9:00 AM
> To: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: adobe audition and window-eyes
>
> Hey Steve,
> My biggest accessibility things that i need. for instance, how to
> highlight an audio selection that i wanna delete or whatever.  For
> instance, if you wanna highlight some particular aurio, you put an in
> and out marker with the left and right bracket and hit delete.  If i can
> do things like that i'll be extremely happy.  I have an older version of
> adobe.
> As far as your daily use, what i am doing is stuff like taking audio and
> putting it under a music bed.  If i can do stuff like that i'll be
> thrilled.
>
> Cheers,
> Jed
>
> On 7/29/2016 9:48 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>> Jed,
>>
>> I used Audition a long time back but have occasionally checked on the
> demos
>> since.  I think you will find that the keyboard support is quite good and
>> that you can assign keys to commands that may not already be assigned.
> The
>> display of data has been more problematic since Audition changed how data
>> was displayed, but there is an app that helps with that.
>>
>> If you are just starting out with sound editing, I would strongly urge
you
>> to take the time to try a number of them before committing to one.  This
> is
>> not a small job by any means.  Adobe Audition, Sound Forge, Gold Wave,
and
>> Audasity are four that come to mind that are accessible to varying
degrees
>> and have different strengths and weaknesses.  Also, their prices are very
>> different.  What may ultimately drive your decision is not which is most
>> accessible, but rather, if one of those programs does something you need
>> that is not done as well by the others.  I believe that all of them have
>> problems with accessibility and certain plug-ins, so be prepared not to
>> reject a program because you encounter a specific problem.  If you try
>> Audition with the app, I, for one, would be very interested to hear what
> you
>> discover.  I find these sound editors to be very complicated, though, and
>> one needs to take the time to learn them well before making judgements.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Jed Barton via Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 10:15 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: adobe audition and window-eyes
>>
>> Hey guys.
>>
>> Anyone on here used the audio editing program adobe audition?  Curious
>> to what it has for keyboard support if any.  I've heard it is usable.
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RE: adobe audition and window-eyes

2016-07-29 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Jed,

I am not certain then why you would spend the time and money on Audition or
Sound Forge rather than trying Audasity or Gold Wave.  There may even be a
few other options out there that would let you edit sound as you describe.
I think Total Recorder has some of those option and perhaps even MP3Cut,
although you may not be able to use their free versions.  Their paid
versions are pretty inexpensive, though.  

Still, if you try Adobe Audition, I would be interested to hear about your
experience.  I believe you will need the app, though.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 9:00 AM
To: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: adobe audition and window-eyes

Hey Steve,
My biggest accessibility things that i need. for instance, how to 
highlight an audio selection that i wanna delete or whatever.  For 
instance, if you wanna highlight some particular aurio, you put an in 
and out marker with the left and right bracket and hit delete.  If i can 
do things like that i'll be extremely happy.  I have an older version of 
adobe.
As far as your daily use, what i am doing is stuff like taking audio and 
putting it under a music bed.  If i can do stuff like that i'll be 
thrilled.

Cheers,
Jed

On 7/29/2016 9:48 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> Jed,
>
> I used Audition a long time back but have occasionally checked on the
demos
> since.  I think you will find that the keyboard support is quite good and
> that you can assign keys to commands that may not already be assigned.
The
> display of data has been more problematic since Audition changed how data
> was displayed, but there is an app that helps with that.
>
> If you are just starting out with sound editing, I would strongly urge you
> to take the time to try a number of them before committing to one.  This
is
> not a small job by any means.  Adobe Audition, Sound Forge, Gold Wave, and
> Audasity are four that come to mind that are accessible to varying degrees
> and have different strengths and weaknesses.  Also, their prices are very
> different.  What may ultimately drive your decision is not which is most
> accessible, but rather, if one of those programs does something you need
> that is not done as well by the others.  I believe that all of them have
> problems with accessibility and certain plug-ins, so be prepared not to
> reject a program because you encounter a specific problem.  If you try
> Audition with the app, I, for one, would be very interested to hear what
you
> discover.  I find these sound editors to be very complicated, though, and
> one needs to take the time to learn them well before making judgements.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Jed Barton via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 10:15 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: adobe audition and window-eyes
>
> Hey guys.
>
> Anyone on here used the audio editing program adobe audition?  Curious
> to what it has for keyboard support if any.  I've heard it is usable.
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Outlook 2013 and Web Browser Region Messages

2016-07-26 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

On a Microsoft Exchange server, I have started seeing the text (Web Browser
Region) before some messages I have read on the message list.  This appears
to be coming from Outlook 2013 because I hear it when using either
Window-Eyes or JAWS.  The problem is that when a message has this flag or
whatever it is, the text in the message is sometimes not readable, and
pressing the Attachments button yields "No Attachments" even though  I can
then save an attachment from the "File" menu.  Does anyone know what this is
and whether it is related to a setting?  
 
Best regards,
 
Steve Jacobson
 
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RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site

2016-07-03 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

I have had this happen on the magazine combo in Windows 7 and IE 11.
Therefore, I don't think this is a Windows 8 or 10 problem.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:58 AM
To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site

There is a focus issue with windows. It's been so since at least Windows 8.

-Original Message-
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 11:08 PM
To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; fender...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site

Just for the record, I also did exactly what Lou recommended, although I've
been doing these very steps ever since Windows 95, and they have, without
exception, always worked. However for some reason, these steps don't always
accomplish the desired results. Apparently, judging by a number of posts
about this issue since yesterday afternoon,  this has been the experience of
other veteran users of Window-Eyes as well, so I don't think it fair to
assume that we are all just dunces that just can't follow instructions.

Man, I can't believe I'm being this snarky, but I really don't know of any
other way to react to the assumption that this has to be the fault of the
user. This feature is simply not apparently one of the more stable features
of Window-Eyes. It may work just fine on the same page tonight, then on this
very night I can go to another page on a different site entirely which
contains the same style of combo box, and the feature may not work at all.

I really don't wish to blame WE for this issue, if indeed the blame would be
more properly placed upon Windows 10, but please don't assume that just
because I do the correct thing automatically means that I will get the
desired results, maybe I will, or maybe I wont.

I think I've stated the case just about as clearly as it can be stated by me
this evening at least.

As I've said before, these combo boxes aren't inaccessible, I can press the
desired letter and then tab to the go button and get where I wish to go, but
I am not likely to be able to simply press enter and get right to that go
button, or pass go and get the listing I am looking for.

Hope this semi rant helps in your understanding of my situation. It really
isn't a show stopper, just an annoyance.

Have a happy 4th,

Larry

On 7/2/2016 9:07 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:
> Hi Lou,
> Thanks for taking the time to test this on your PC. I am glad to hear 
> that the author combo box on BARD is working well for you and others 
> when using the correct techniques. The steps you listed in your 
> message follow best practices for interacting with combo boxes. And, I 
> wanted to clarify that these keyboard techniques are not tied directly 
> to Window-Eyes. This keyboard support (i.e. Alt-Down to open, Up/Down 
> or first letter navigation to change selection, Enter to close) is 
> built right into the combo box control and web browser whether you are 
> using a screen reader or not. Holding down Alt while Down Arrowing is 
> not the correct technique for navigating through the options in a 
> combo box and is not a Window-Eyes feature.
> Best,
> Marc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
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> Behalf Of via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:07 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site
>
> Hey, Larry.
>
> I don't remember ever having an issue on the BARD web site. I just 
> went there and logged in and did this.
>
> Pressed the letter C to jump to the author's last name combo box.
> Pressed enter to exit browse mode.
> Pressed and released Alt-down arrow to expand the combo box.
> Note: At this point, Window-Eyes announced that the control had 
> expanded and called the control a list view.
> Arrowed down--in this case--to the letter M.
> Note: Window-Eyes spoke each letter as it was highlighted.
> Pressed Enter to close the combo box-come-list view.
> Note: Window-Eyes voiced that the control was closed. I forget exactly 
> what WE said.
> Tabbed to the go button and pressed spacebar.
>
> In your previous posts, it sounded like you are holding the alt key 
> down while arrowing. It's been a while since I've read the WE manual. 
> Is this a new Window-Eyes feature? I forgot to check whether that key 
> combination works; fireworks and a neighbor trying to get his toddler 
> son to sleep kept me up kinda late. .
>
> Lou N.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:07 PM
> To: Marc Solomon; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Tony C
> Subject: Re: Combo boxes on

RE: Annoying Window Technical Service Calls from India or where ever

2016-06-27 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Dave,

When you played along with them, you probably got upgraded to their "Call
more often" list.  If you just start hanging up on them, they will probably
downgrade you to a "Call now and then" list and eventually they will stop.
I think it is unlikely that they are calling because they get notified when
you start your system, it is probably just coincidence, but it can't hurt to
do a full virus and malware scan if you feel strongly that they are somehow
being notified.  They are going to try to call when they think they are most
likely going to get a human being answering.

In general, I don't play along with any scammers or spammers, even when it
is tempting.  At the very least, you may indicate to them that you are worth
contacting again, and you could give information to them without meaning to.


Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 3:23 PM
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: OT: Annoying Window Technical Service Calls from India or where
ever

Hello,

On my last system, a Win 7 system, it seemed when ever I started up my
computer, shortly after, I would receive a call from a person telling me
they were from the Windows Technical Service, or something like that. 
So far,every call, which are probably two or three dozen by now, have all
been
from people with thick accents from some far away place.  

I knew these guys were up to no good, but I would like to get rid of
them calling me.

Thought when I change systems, I would sease getting these calls.  Not
so.  

I have Software to rid my system of viruses and Malware, but still these
folks keep calling.  

Anyone here find a solution to stop these people from calling?

I have started to play along to see what they will do.  Even I need
entertainment.  

But, I am getting bored and they amazingly seem to really get upset when
they find out I've been playing them along.totally halairious at
times, but now I really just need to stop the calls.  

Anyone have good advice?

Grumpy Dave


-- 
Dave 

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RE: becky email

2016-06-27 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Butch,

I have not had the specific thing happen that you mentioned, but in general,
I get better results if I press ENTER on a message rather than tabbing into
it.  Also, making sure that the window is maximized can make a difference.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of bk via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:28 PM
To: gw 
Subject: becky email

Hello, until a couple days ago, I would tab from the message list to a
message in Becky, and wineyes would read it. Now when I tab to the
message window, wineyes says, vertical, vertical, edit box. I can't even
arrow up and down through the message. All I get is blank blank. I know
there is text there because I turn on NVDA and it reads it. Has anyone
experienced this, or have an answer to this puzzle? Any help is
appreciated.

Butch

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RE: action by DOJ

2016-06-16 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Darrell and others,

In a situation like this, we often look at the possibilities as either being
the status quo or as a change we don't particularly like.  It is easy for us
to assume that if there were no merger that everything would continue on
with all of us remaining happy.  What is easy to forget is that we can't
really know what would happen if there were no merger.  

Certainly I am somewhat nervous about this merger.  However, I don't have
enough information to say for certain whether stopping the merger would be
good.  I don't know the financial situation of AI Squared, but I would tend
to believe that if their financial situation was a strong one, the merger
probably would not have happened.  In other words, we really don't know for
sure that no merger would necessarily have meant that everything would have
continued as we have come to like it.  One probably should be careful about
trying to stop a merger unless one knows for certain that the current
financial position is a very good one.  The alternative to a merger may not
necessarily be what we would like it to be.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:21 AM
To: Mike Pietruk ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: action by DOJ

How do you all know what type of merger this is? Do you all work on the
inside, and can say with insurances, that this is to consolidate rather than
to eliminate?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 16, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Mike Pietruk via Talk
 wrote:
> 
> Kim 
> 
> Great from hearing from someone who has a legal background on this.
> And, taking this a step further, let's say the DOJ actually filed an 
> action to stop the merger.
> That would cost VFO major dollars to defend which they likely don't have.
> So, the deal falls through and (probably) AISquared goes under so who is 
> better off then?
> This isn't a merger out of strength; this is a consolidation necistated by

> attempted survival in an ever changing landscape and in an economy which 
> isn't exactly flourishing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have a great need for Christ; I have a great Christ for my need.
> Charles Spurgeon
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> I would be very surprised if the Department of Justice does anything at
all.
>> First, this just happened.  there is no actual showing of harm to the
consumer
>> yet.  Second, there _are_ other screen readers out there.  I'm thinking
of
>> Narrator, and something I've read about on this list called System
Access.
>> there may very well be more I don't know about.
>> 
>> Also, this represents possible but not yet proven injury to a very small
group
>> of consumers in the over-all scheme of things.  It's not exactly a
headline
>> grabber.  Then there's budgetary considerations.  My area of legal
expertise
>> before I retired was not anti-trust or consumer litigation.  This was
covered
>> a bit thirty years ago when I was in law school.  But you don't have to
be a
>> lawyer to figure this kind of thing out.  We'll just have to wait and see
what
>> happens.  I realize the federal trade commission, or the DOJ, can't do
>> anything about this if they don't know; so I'm not telling anyone not to
file
>> a complaint.  I'd just be very surprised if anything happened.  Remember,
>> there is something even more powerful than a verdict, an injunction, or a
>> writ.  That's the wallet.
>> Kim Lingo 
>> 
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RE: F8 and BECKY!

2016-06-07 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Thanks, I must have turned that off a long time ago.  I like consistency so
will leave that option turned off, but it is good to be reminded that it is
there.  It now makes sense why Martha sometimes could use F8 and sometimes
not.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Marten Post Uiterweer [mailto:marte...@xs4all.nl] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:18 AM
To: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: F8 and BECKY!

Steve,

you can read html messages in browse mode if you like it.
Go to tools, general setup and the message view tabcontrol.
Shift tab here to:
html view
In your case it is set to:
convert to plain text
I have set it the same, but you can also set it to:
view with IE component

When opening a html mail, you can use the browse mode and when opening a
text based mail, it will not use browse mode.

Regards, Marten



On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 09:53:00 -0500 Steve Jacobson via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Martha,
> 
> I don't know of any cases where Browse Mode works in Becky.  That's one of
> the reasons I like it for email, although there are some advantages to
> Browse Mode sometimes.  One can just treat the text of an email just as
one
> selects text in most applications.  Am I not understanding the issue?
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:20 AM
> To: Martha Reaney <mrea...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: F8 and BECKY!
> 
> I use the clipboard.  Go to the line where you want to start copying and
hit
> the home key for beginning of line.  Then use the shift key and down arrow
> until you reach the line where you want to stop.  Then hit c control plus
c
> to copy.  It works for me.  It's a bit of a pain, but is the only way I
can
> copy emails in Becky.  Hope this helps.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> www.harmonicaworkshops.com
> www.woodeneyemusic.com
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 08:53:03 -0500
> Martha Reaney via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi.
> > 
> > Using WE 9.4, Win 10 and latest BECKY!.
> > 
> > I have some emails where I am able to use F8 to block and copy text from
> the body of an email in my INCOX.
> > On other INBOX emails, f8 does not work.  On those emails I have tried
to
> toggle browse mode using control shift a, but hear "browse mode not
> available".
> > 
> > Anybody got a work-around?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
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RE: Question about upgrading to windows 10

2016-06-07 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

I don't know if this happens on the first reboot or not, but I started Narrator 
too soon.  It came up talking but there weren't  any other windows that one 
could ALT-TAB to except for Narrator and also the window that lets you press 
any key to see what it does.  I closed Narrator and let the upgrade go on its 
way and no dammage seemed to be done.  It seems to me that it would have been 
simple for Microsoft to include a sound when the upgrade was complete, though.  
Since one can bring up Narrator, the sound drivers are obviously functioning.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Steve Clower via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Question about upgrading to windows 10

It is usually after the second reboot, but yes that is correct. Windows-Enter 
will enable/disable Narrator, and you can use CPS+Left and CAPS+Right to review 
the contents of each screen.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:16 AM
To: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Question about upgrading to windows 10

After listening to these webinars, is my understanding correct, I can use 
Narrator after the first reboot to complete the upgrade?

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 7:26 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Question about upgrading to windows 10

Oops. It would be a little more helpful if I included the link I referenced.

http://www.gwmicro.com/Training/Tutorials/

Tom


On 6/6/2016 10:22 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> Russ,
>
> There are two webinars on the GW site on upgrading a system to Windows
> 10. Just go to the following page and then to the headings at level 3
> for "Upgrading a PC with Window-Eyes to Windows 10 - Part 1" and
> "Upgrading a PC with Window-Eyes to Windows 10 - Part 2"
>
> Hth,
> Tom
>
>
> On 6/6/2016 9:23 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
>> That is the info I was looking for.  I take it you used Narrator when
>> you did the upgrade?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 12:18 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: Question about upgrading to windows 10
>>
>> I am not sure why my experience is different, but I have two computers
>> that did not have passwords.  When I upgraded both to Windows 10, it is
>> true that they did not go directly to the desktop, however I was able to
>> just press a sign-in button and did not have to set up a password.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Liel Ben Simon  ?? ? via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 9:02 AM
>> To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: Re: Question about upgrading to windows 10
>>
>> Yes, there is no simpal way to do this without to use registry. Very
>> complicate.
>>
>> Sent from  my iphone
>>
>> ‫ב-5 ביוני 2016, בשעה 16:52, ‏‏Russ Kiehne ‏<russ94...@gmail.com> כתב/ה:‬
>>
>>> You are kidding?  You mean there is no way to use windows 10
>>> without editing the registry to bypass the use of a password?
>>>
>>> From: Liel Ben Simon ליאל בן סימון
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 7:30 AM
>>> To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Question about upgrading to windows 10
>>>
>>> No! You have to set password in order to use in windows 10. It's
>>> possible to cancel it, but it' require to use in registry to change it.
>>>
>>> Sent from  my iphone
>>>
>>> ‫ב-4 ביוני 2016, בשעה 16:12, ‏‏Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> ‏<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> כתב/ה:‬
>>>
>>>> I have windows 7 setup when I bootup the computer I go directly to
>>>> the desktop without a password.  Will this setting remain when I
>>>> upgrade to windows 10?
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RE: F8 and BECKY!

2016-06-07 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Martha,

I don't know of any cases where Browse Mode works in Becky.  That's one of
the reasons I like it for email, although there are some advantages to
Browse Mode sometimes.  One can just treat the text of an email just as one
selects text in most applications.  Am I not understanding the issue?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:20 AM
To: Martha Reaney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: F8 and BECKY!

I use the clipboard.  Go to the line where you want to start copying and hit
the home key for beginning of line.  Then use the shift key and down arrow
until you reach the line where you want to stop.  Then hit c control plus c
to copy.  It works for me.  It's a bit of a pain, but is the only way I can
copy emails in Becky.  Hope this helps.

Mike

www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 08:53:03 -0500
Martha Reaney via Talk  wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> Using WE 9.4, Win 10 and latest BECKY!.
> 
> I have some emails where I am able to use F8 to block and copy text from
the body of an email in my INCOX.
> On other INBOX emails, f8 does not work.  On those emails I have tried to
toggle browse mode using control shift a, but hear "browse mode not
available".
> 
> Anybody got a work-around?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Martha
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RE: Question about upgrading to windows 10

2016-06-05 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

I am not sure why my experience is different, but I have two computers that did 
not have passwords.  When I upgraded both to Windows 10, it is true that they 
did not go directly to the desktop, however I was able to just press a sign-in 
button and did not have to set up a password.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Liel Ben Simon  ?? ? via Talk
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 9:02 AM
To: Russ Kiehne 
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Question about upgrading to windows 10

Yes, there is no simpal way to do this without to use registry. Very complicate.

Sent from  my iphone

‫ב-5 ביוני 2016, בשעה 16:52, ‏‏Russ Kiehne ‏ כתב/ה:‬

> You are kidding?  You mean there is no way to use windows 10 without 
> editing the registry to bypass the use of a password?
>  
> From: Liel Ben Simon ליאל בן סימון
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 7:30 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Question about upgrading to windows 10
>  
> No! You have to set password in order to use in windows 10. It's possible to 
> cancel it, but it' require to use in registry to change it.
> 
> Sent from  my iphone
> 
> ‫ב-4 ביוני 2016, בשעה 16:12, ‏‏Russ Kiehne via Talk 
> ‏ כתב/ה:‬
> 
>> I have windows 7 setup when I bootup the computer I go directly to the 
>> desktop without a password.  Will this setting remain when I upgrade to 
>> windows 10?
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RE: sound forge

2016-05-31 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Tom,

Well, I'll trade you oops's.  The effect I used to perform expansion was the 
graphic pulldown in the Dynamics item, not the Wave Hammer, so you were right.  
It actually has a noise gate preset as well.  One can think of a noise gate as 
very sharp expansion, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility that a noise 
gate could be adjusted if the parameters were exposed to the user.  Anyway, in 
the Graphic Dynamic dialog, you can control compression so you can exercise 
some control over the graph.  However, you cannot specify a compression ratio 
less than 1, which would cause expansion.  Anyway, thanks for the tips.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:33 PM
To: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: sound forge

Oops. Sorry, Steve. The noise gate is not an expander. I must have been 
dreaming. I'll have to ponder and look around when I have more time.

Tom


On 5/31/2016 5:07 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> Tom,
>
> I was not aware one could nudge the markers, but it makes sense as one is 
> just extending the selection area.  Perhaps I need to explore how one can 
> adjust the Noise Gate as well, but I didn't think I could get to where I 
> wanted to go with that.  Thanks for the info.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:01 PM
> To: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: sound forge
>
> Steve,
>
> Yes, the Dynamics use graphs while the Noise gate is a simple expander.
>
> The I and O in and out points are just markers. You can do the same
> thing with markers you insert with M. For example, press M for the in
> point and again for the out point. Now Control-Shift-Left to select from
> the out to the in point. Space bar to preview. If either isn't quite
> right then move to it with Control-Left/Right and nudge it in either
> direction with Shift-Left/Right. Alternatively you can check the markers
> right after inserting them with Control-Shift-K which plays up to the
> marker. And after making your selection and previewing it you can also
> preview a cut without making it. Just hit Control-K. Or if all else
> fails toss this message into a pot of boiling water and voila! you've
> got spaghetti for dinner.
>
> Hth,
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/31/2016 4:26 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>> Tom,
>>
>> I did manage a two to one expansion using a graph, but perhaps I am wrong 
>> about which feature I used.  I'll look when I get home.  I was trying to 
>> achieve a two to one expansion to approximate decoding a DBX encoded 
>> recording.  I had to add equalization as well, of course.
>>
>> Regarding the marking of audio, Let me be sure I understand.  If I want to 
>> delete an area, I could mark the beginninning and end, and then select it 
>> with CONTROL-SHIFT ARROWS and then DELETE?  The nice thing about using "I" 
>> and "o" is that you can nudge each end if you don't get it just right.  One 
>> could, of course, go into the markers list and adjust the time, but the 
>> equivalent feature in Gold Wave works fine.  This is an example of why I 
>> have some trouble answering the question of accessibility.  Depending upon 
>> what one wants to do, I am not so sure Sound Forge is the best choice for 
>> starting out.  However, I agree with you and others that one can't say it is 
>> not accessible.  Since I've been using it a long time, it has not gotten 
>> enough worse to make it worth switching to something else.  Since something 
>> as basic as selecting text with "I" and "o" would likely have been corrected 
>> if it were a bug, I suspect there is some reason that they do not work 
>> reliably for me hav
 i
>  ng
>>   to do with some other feature, but using markers as you describe is a good 
>> workaround that I'll try.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:36 PM
>> To: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: Re: sound forge
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I gave up on using I and O for in and out points a long time ago. I
>> don't know if it's still the case but when I set an in and out points
>> the fir

RE: sound forge

2016-05-31 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Tom,

I was not aware one could nudge the markers, but it makes sense as one is just 
extending the selection area.  Perhaps I need to explore how one can adjust the 
Noise Gate as well, but I didn't think I could get to where I wanted to go with 
that.  Thanks for the info.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:01 PM
To: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: sound forge

Steve,

Yes, the Dynamics use graphs while the Noise gate is a simple expander.

The I and O in and out points are just markers. You can do the same 
thing with markers you insert with M. For example, press M for the in 
point and again for the out point. Now Control-Shift-Left to select from 
the out to the in point. Space bar to preview. If either isn't quite 
right then move to it with Control-Left/Right and nudge it in either 
direction with Shift-Left/Right. Alternatively you can check the markers 
right after inserting them with Control-Shift-K which plays up to the 
marker. And after making your selection and previewing it you can also 
preview a cut without making it. Just hit Control-K. Or if all else 
fails toss this message into a pot of boiling water and voila! you've 
got spaghetti for dinner.

Hth,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 4:26 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> Tom,
>
> I did manage a two to one expansion using a graph, but perhaps I am wrong 
> about which feature I used.  I'll look when I get home.  I was trying to 
> achieve a two to one expansion to approximate decoding a DBX encoded 
> recording.  I had to add equalization as well, of course.
>
> Regarding the marking of audio, Let me be sure I understand.  If I want to 
> delete an area, I could mark the beginninning and end, and then select it 
> with CONTROL-SHIFT ARROWS and then DELETE?  The nice thing about using "I" 
> and "o" is that you can nudge each end if you don't get it just right.  One 
> could, of course, go into the markers list and adjust the time, but the 
> equivalent feature in Gold Wave works fine.  This is an example of why I have 
> some trouble answering the question of accessibility.  Depending upon what 
> one wants to do, I am not so sure Sound Forge is the best choice for starting 
> out.  However, I agree with you and others that one can't say it is not 
> accessible.  Since I've been using it a long time, it has not gotten enough 
> worse to make it worth switching to something else.  Since something as basic 
> as selecting text with "I" and "o" would likely have been corrected if it 
> were a bug, I suspect there is some reason that they do not work reliably for 
> me havi
 ng
>   to do with some other feature, but using markers as you describe is a good 
> workaround that I'll try.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:36 PM
> To: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: sound forge
>
> Steve,
>
> I gave up on using I and O for in and out points a long time ago. I
> don't know if it's still the case but when I set an in and out points
> the first time it worked fine. The problem was when I went to set a new
> in point that was beyond the existing out point. That was too
> complicated a request. Dear Mr. Spock said it was highly illogical. So I
> started using markers. Just hit M. Control-Left/Right move from marker
> to marker. And when you want to clear them all just Alt-E Edit, R
> Regions, L clear all.
>
> Hth,
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/31/2016 11:05 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>> Tom,
>>
>> Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
>> equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
>> still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
>> selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
>> happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
>> selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
>> selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
>> Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
>> feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
>> the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
>> through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>

RE: sound forge

2016-05-31 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Tom,

I did manage a two to one expansion using a graph, but perhaps I am wrong about 
which feature I used.  I'll look when I get home.  I was trying to achieve a 
two to one expansion to approximate decoding a DBX encoded recording.  I had to 
add equalization as well, of course.  

Regarding the marking of audio, Let me be sure I understand.  If I want to 
delete an area, I could mark the beginninning and end, and then select it with 
CONTROL-SHIFT ARROWS and then DELETE?  The nice thing about using "I" and "o" 
is that you can nudge each end if you don't get it just right.  One could, of 
course, go into the markers list and adjust the time, but the equivalent 
feature in Gold Wave works fine.  This is an example of why I have some trouble 
answering the question of accessibility.  Depending upon what one wants to do, 
I am not so sure Sound Forge is the best choice for starting out.  However, I 
agree with you and others that one can't say it is not accessible.  Since I've 
been using it a long time, it has not gotten enough worse to make it worth 
switching to something else.  Since something as basic as selecting text with 
"I" and "o" would likely have been corrected if it were a bug, I suspect there 
is some reason that they do not work reliably for me having
  to do with some other feature, but using markers as you describe is a good 
workaround that I'll try.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:36 PM
To: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: sound forge

Steve,

I gave up on using I and O for in and out points a long time ago. I 
don't know if it's still the case but when I set an in and out points 
the first time it worked fine. The problem was when I went to set a new 
in point that was beyond the existing out point. That was too 
complicated a request. Dear Mr. Spock said it was highly illogical. So I 
started using markers. Just hit M. Control-Left/Right move from marker 
to marker. And when you want to clear them all just Alt-E Edit, R 
Regions, L clear all.

Hth,
Tom

On 5/31/2016 11:05 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
> equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
> still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
> selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
> happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
> selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
> selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
> Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
> feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
> the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
> through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
> Any thoughts?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:13 AM
> To: Curtis Delzer <curtis1...@verizon.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: sound forge
>
> I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people
> say the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10,
> and now 11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking
> about. The only thing that is truly not accessible are all the new
> Izotope plug-ins because they're all big pretty pictures. Although they
> have good presets and at least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And
> I'm pretty sure they could be scripted. The only problem is it would
> require a lot of sighted help to get the layout of the images in order
> to write scalable algorithms to work with different resolutions.
>
> I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal
> mistake of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no
> return disaster. I should have known better. I've never gotten back to
> it because I know all the interfaces inside out and backwards. So it's
> made me a whiz with the mouse.
>
> If anyone has a million bucks to donate to the cause I'll make it sing
> for you. (grin)
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/31/2016 3:35 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
>> Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
>> can be used.
>>
>

RE: sound forge

2016-05-31 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Tom,

Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
Any thoughts?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:13 AM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: sound forge

I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people 
say the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10, 
and now 11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking 
about. The only thing that is truly not accessible are all the new 
Izotope plug-ins because they're all big pretty pictures. Although they 
have good presets and at least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And 
I'm pretty sure they could be scripted. The only problem is it would 
require a lot of sighted help to get the layout of the images in order 
to write scalable algorithms to work with different resolutions.

I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal 
mistake of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no 
return disaster. I should have known better. I've never gotten back to 
it because I know all the interfaces inside out and backwards. So it's 
made me a whiz with the mouse.

If anyone has a million bucks to donate to the cause I'll make it sing 
for you. (grin)

Regards,
Tom

On 5/31/2016 3:35 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
> can be used.
>
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RE: sound forge

2016-05-31 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Reg,

I am interested in understanding the equalizer business better.  Which
version of Sound Forge are you using?  I have noticed the equalizer issue
with versions 10 and 11, although, as I have said, I am able to click  the
10-band option and then it works as before.  I did not need to do this at
all with older versions, though.  Now that I think about it, though,
possibly it remembers what I used last as I have just assumed I needed to
click 10-band each time.  I'll have to check that.

Also, some Sound Forge effects like the Wave Hammer seem only to be
adjustable with the graphical Envelop approach.  One can control compression
with a parameter, but I have not found a way to create an expansion effect
except by using one of the presets.  I am not aware of any of the other
programs that allows one to control expansion with parameters, either,
though.  In the old days, I felt I could manage pretty much everything with
Cool Edit which became Adobe Audition, and even through Audition 1.5, I
managed pretty well.  They changed their display method with version 2.0,
though, and much of the display no longer read correctly.  However, over
time since then, they have exposed more data with MSAA or UIA, and I know
there was a Window-Eyes app that that helped quite a bit.  When I have tried
their demos, though, I found gaps that I did not take the time to pursue,
but it would be interesting to know if anyone has much experience with the
latest versions of that product with Window-Eyes.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 7:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: sound forge

Steve and all

Interestingly, my experience is somewhat different, in that the Equaliser
reads exactly like all the other dialogues in Soundforge Pro, and that
continues to be true with Windows7 and W-
E 9.4.  I haven't yet tried Windows10.

So, as usual with Windows, personal experience may vary.
-- 

Reg
<regw...@btinternet.com>

On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:38:22 -0500
Steve Jacobson via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I agree with Lloyd Rassmussen's assessment.  However, it is really hard to
> answer your question accurately without knowing more about why you are
> choosing Sound Forge.  I use Sound Forge because I bought it a long time
ago
> and got pretty used to some of the areas that are not that easy to use.  I
> like its noise reduction tool and feel I can get the results I want more
> easily than I have managed with other programs.  If you are just starting
> out, though, I'm not sure you would not find less frustration with Gold
Wave
> or perhaps Audacity.  I understand there is pretty good editing with Total
> Recorder as well.  
> 
> If you get the full version of Sound Forge rather than the studio version,
> you have to use the mouse pointer to choose the version of the equalizer
you
> want to use once you have opened the dialog.  Once you do that, choosing a
> multi-band option instead of an envelope format, it works as Lloyd
> describes.  You can also get values for some of Sound Forge's controls by
> turning Speak All on, but you get a lot of extra chatter.  I am sure there
> are likely other areas I find challenging that someone has found a way
> around, though.  Still, since I am as used to Sound Forge as I am, I have
> not found it worth switching to anything else.  Like many programs, it is
> not possible to flatly say it is accessible or it is not, it depends upon
> what features you use and also what your comfort level is using the mouse
> keys.  There is a lot of keyboard control, though, and a lot you can do if
> you take the time to learn how it works.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of William Vandervest via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 4:01 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: sound forge
> 
> can someone please tell me how accessible sound forge is and if there are
> any compatibility issues with w e?
> thanks 
> 
> 
> 
> timelor...@comcast.net
> 
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RE: sound forge

2016-05-30 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

I agree with Lloyd Rassmussen's assessment.  However, it is really hard to
answer your question accurately without knowing more about why you are
choosing Sound Forge.  I use Sound Forge because I bought it a long time ago
and got pretty used to some of the areas that are not that easy to use.  I
like its noise reduction tool and feel I can get the results I want more
easily than I have managed with other programs.  If you are just starting
out, though, I'm not sure you would not find less frustration with Gold Wave
or perhaps Audacity.  I understand there is pretty good editing with Total
Recorder as well.  

If you get the full version of Sound Forge rather than the studio version,
you have to use the mouse pointer to choose the version of the equalizer you
want to use once you have opened the dialog.  Once you do that, choosing a
multi-band option instead of an envelope format, it works as Lloyd
describes.  You can also get values for some of Sound Forge's controls by
turning Speak All on, but you get a lot of extra chatter.  I am sure there
are likely other areas I find challenging that someone has found a way
around, though.  Still, since I am as used to Sound Forge as I am, I have
not found it worth switching to anything else.  Like many programs, it is
not possible to flatly say it is accessible or it is not, it depends upon
what features you use and also what your comfort level is using the mouse
keys.  There is a lot of keyboard control, though, and a lot you can do if
you take the time to learn how it works.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of William Vandervest via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 4:01 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: sound forge

can someone please tell me how accessible sound forge is and if there are
any compatibility issues with w e?
thanks 



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RE: excelle 2016

2016-05-26 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Jed,

Be sure you are actually in a spreadsheet.  Opening Excel 2013 and 2016 can
put you in a window where you have to choose what you want to do, start a
blank spreadsheet, open an existing one, etc.  I think this is what Chris
was getting at when he asked how you are opening it.

If you know you are in a spreadsheet, make sure SCROLL LOCK is off.  

Finally, are you accessing the spreadsheet from inside a Dropbox folder?  If
so, make sure the Dropbox Preferences has "Show Badges" set to "Never."

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: excelle 2016

Hey guys,
Anyone have any idea why excelle 2016 is reading absolutely nothing?  I 
am using we 9.4 on a win 10 machine, and excelle 2016.  When i press up 
down, left or right arrow, it's reading nothing on a file.  Better yet, 
to make excelle shut down, i have to go to the processes to kill it.
Any ideas?
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RE: Kurzweil voices

2016-05-16 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

R.J.

I assumed she was asking if you could use the Kurzweil voices if you already
owned Kurzweil 1000.  You are right, it would not be worth buying Kurzweil
for the voices, but if you already have it, it is interesting to try the
voices.  I personally like the quality of "James" for reading, but I don't
like that voice at all for screen reader work.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: Re: Kurzweil voices

I've not heard this and even if you could, they'd be expencive. RJ

On 5/16/2016 1:15 PM, Smith, Veronica via Talk wrote:
> I believe we saw an email here that said we are able to use the voices
from Kurzweil with Window Eyes.  I've been looking for the mail message but
cannot find it.  Can you share someinfo on that?
>
> Veronica
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RE: Kurzweil voices

2016-05-16 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Veronica,

I see the voices that came with Kurzweil under SAPI in Window-Eyes.  There
are almost fifty variations on Eloquence, but I see James, Paul and Kate as
well as Microsoft Anna.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: Kurzweil voices

I believe we saw an email here that said we are able to use the voices from
Kurzweil with Window Eyes.  I've been looking for the mail message but
cannot find it.  Can you share someinfo on that?

Veronica
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RE: WE9.4 becomes corrupt and control alt w does not work

2016-04-21 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk

Manny,

I may have seen this behavior and it most often happens when I am using
Excel.  When I press ALT-CONTROL-W, I hear the Window-Eyes startup sound but
I get no speech.  This is possibly not exactly what you have found, though,
since ALT-CONTROL-W is doing something in my case.  What I have found is
that I have to restart Wincow-Eyes three or four times but the problem then
is resolved.  Unlike other situations, Excel is often still running and does
not require a restart.  It is possible Excel is producing a Crash Dump, but
I don't know for sure.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: WE9.4 becomes corrupt and control alt w does not work


 Hi,
I was reading an excel file, and I open the windows 7 calculator.
I added a dozen numbers and when I came back to the excel file, WE9.4 
would not read.  I control alt w and nothing happened.  I ran my batch 
file to kill WE9.4 and started WE9.4 and it did read the file, but 
control alt w was still not functioning which, for me, means WE9.4  is 
still corrupt.
Does anyone know what is going on?
If I am starting WE9.4, why is it still corrupt?
I find that when WE9.4 is not behaving properly, and a restart is not 
responding to control alt w, I reboot the computer because that's the 
only fix.
Is this an isolated incident, or you getting other users complaining 
about this problem?
Lastly, is their a fix?
Many thanks,
Manny

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WE9.4 Dell xps420 Windows 7 home premium, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 
quad core 2.4mhz Nvidia geforce gtx 750 t with 1 gb memory drivers and 
software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver Booster, MS Office 
2010 security: Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win 
Patrol, Roboform, Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
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