Holed up in this freezing weather forced me to entertain myself again
(I had sworn off) with this group. What do I find? - the ongoing
attitude by some that AP is fine the way it is, 'just enjoy it and have
fun'.
I'll bet that the people (you know who you are) with that attitude know
very
probably aren't new to ap, just a shit stirrer. maybe a
failed business owner licking wounds and trying to create misery
(unhappy people are good at that).
cheers buddy!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
Holed up in this freezing weather forced me
? That's
deluded, not you, the idea. All you do is berate this town and the
people who enjoy and love it.
You my friend are a master of projection.
Once again I'll try, what's your name and where do YOU live?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
Its very
Best Wishes to all.
:-)
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
So its not just me that notices things are amiss... Like I said
before... doing some reasearch in various media sources gives a
different picture from the all is well view of some AP locals.
I'm surprised
...the building just south of the bandstand building?
I looked at the webcam picture and it seems that the Esperanza sign is
gone but the building is just whitewashed. Is anything in there yet?
I agree with some previous comments that its a waste of space and
pretty silly to not renovate
I was really surprised to hear the power went out. I was glued to the
radio and tv all night. No effect up here, although I was almost hoping
so I could see what a real night sky looks like. I've been to the
observaory off of 287 and its pretty cool.
BTW - there are light pollution rules in
Good that someone actually goes to those meetings to report back.
Thats where all the 'funny business' happens in most towns.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@...
wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
...
From what Ive read
So its not just me that notices things are amiss... Like I said
before... doing some reasearch in various media sources gives a
different picture from the all is well view of some AP locals.
I'm surprised that the talk about the money/deficit/budget went
nowhere. Well not really... guess
Thanks for the invite but I cant make it, maybe some other time.
Probably good I dont come anyway, Id probably be 'lynched' for having
questions and making observations - LOL
You all have a good time.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The fireworks start at
Now that is funny !!!
BTW I just looked at it and your guy Bradley got cut out of the
picture. And those flood lights create bright spots that are really
distracting and out of place.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@
wrote:
--- In
Got that right, Ive watched it being built. Created a real
controversy up here. I think the Bandstand building could be restored
but it would be really expensive now that it was screwed up. Would
have made sense to do it right the first time.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer
Wow - you really dont get it do you? Materials is part of design.
Likeing or not liking a building is different from recognizing that a
particular building is unique in design and worth keeping original.
How many people would buy a house and then stucco one third orange,
brick third yellow and
Thats a lot of bunk - major projects like your redevelopment are done
all over the place - they dont advertise great success and then dont
diliver.
They dont take 7 years to get minimally along either - or lie to the
very people they are working for along with the customers they need
to
As much as some of you dislike hearing from me
Regardless, Asbury Park has my heart felt wishes to get its act
together and be outstanding.
Happy Thanksgiving !
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Yes I have, Whats your point ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
Now thats a shame its one of the only authentic music venues left.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint
WoW.. pawprint is a gem a human be-in.
Unlike some of the nastys in this group.
Perhaps is takes 'outsiders' like him and me to
see things
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Long before James A. Bradley was even born, Cobblers were crafting
shoes and
And why must everything be designed in 'suburban-stucco-modern'
architechture ?
I'm still picturing that bandstand building, how badly it was
butchered architecturally.
And how easy it would have been to preserve it as the really unique
piece of AP that it is. It would still be occupied by
Many communities adopt lighting design standards because they
recognize its the right thing to do.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, but why should Ocean Grove have to deal with AP's excessive
lighting?
And why should the city be paying huge
and then said it would all be done by Labor Day.
Its November NOW...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
Over 400 postings - Most of it BS (religion, poitics, arguing)
I looked forward
How about what they claimed would be delivered for starters?
All the boardwalk buildings completed and business in them.
A beach club with a swimming pool
The casino being repaired
Convention center restored
I agee that the Casino is the key thing. A shame they tore it down
and are now
Why cant they turn one of those parking lots into a rink?
Ive seen temporary rinks go up with no problem.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
Wow. Super cool.
Wouldn't it be a great treat if we
I have to agree with that - I just went through another 50 or so
posts with no meat on them.
What is it with the members of this group - love to divert things
away from the issues you all face - and they are serious from what I
can tell.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL
Now thats a shame its one of the only authentic music venues left.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/stone_pony_closing_for_repair
s.\
html
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/stone_pony_closing_for_repai
, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
I'm not mocking it. I'm pointing out that if AP wants to attract
repeat visitors who spend $$$ it would be better not to
misrepresent
what to expect.
As to evidence, just do some research as I said.
The NY Times, The Coaster, The Asbury
Up here in North Jersey they take this stuff very seriously - some
towns have laws controlling lighting.
The NJ Astronomical Association is very active.
http://www.njaa.org/light.html
From what I remember of my AP visit there are some really intrusive
lights around. Should be an easy fix.
Over 400 postings - Most of it BS (religion, poitics, arguing)
What surprises me is that the budget discussion hasnt taken off. What
happened - thats propably the biggest issue. Directly related is the
parking fiasco, the unfinished beachfront fiasco, the no condos fiasco,
the no deadlines
OK - Thanks for the backup - I know thats what was advertised and
thats what I expected.
Why did everyone - including you - tell me I was wrong? I think
everyone here just likes to argue instead of addressing real issues.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What post are you talking about?
Middle of the day?
A message number or some other reference would help.
I have never been in a political discussion.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Newb,
Right in the middle today I put up a topic that was 100%
political stuff.
What does that tell you?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
But there is a group for that from what I understand.
Why is that crap still posted here when people have asked for it
to stop. Even the
moderator who seems
in motion.
We also live in a town that has drugs and gangs, so much for your
fantasyland. We came here to hopefully be a part of something that
improves. Why don't you do the same or go spread your cheer in
another town.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap
I don't know enough about what your asking to even comment.
But it sounds like it would fit into the budget talk that Gabbi wanted
to have.
From what I have gathered AP is in deep sh*t financially.
Someone posted about the role of the chamber of commerce and the
downtown.
Seems to me that
OOps sorry I just responded, I think its an economic issue.
If it goes back to politics I'm OUT.
I do see the pattern of wanting to stir the pot just for the h**ll of it.
The archives are an interesting read.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't worry about it,
Wasn't it you that wanted to talk about the budget?
Am I mistaken?
Like I said, this seems like an economics issue.
AP is broke$$$ from what I hear. Shouldn't they cut
all these expenses and encourage the business community
to take up the cause?
That takes the town being selective of certain
I never really knew what the term Straw-Man meant.
This is great and very informative :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Carefully presenting and refuting a weakened form of an opponent's argument is
not
always itself a fallacy. It can refocus the scope of an argument or be a
legitimate
Holy Smokes Batman.
There it is... the Straw-Man...
Right after I find the definition..
How about that for timing ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Told everyone Mario won't address the issue.
He's against Columbus Day, but for Kwanzaa, but
Someone else posted the characterization of...
---Argument-For-Arguments-Sake---
And needing to be right .. I'm seeing it now...
maybe the reason for your handle 'Justifiedright'
Man I'm getting a real enlightening through the archives.
There are/were some very well informed intellegent people
people on the board go redevelopment is not
supposed to be finished at the moment.
Are you like werner, projecting your own failure to finish projects
onto others? We'll never know, because you need to be anonymous.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote:
Wasn't
I'm not mocking it. I'm pointing out that if AP wants to attract
repeat visitors who spend $$$ it would be better not to misrepresent
what to expect.
As to evidence, just do some research as I said.
The NY Times, The Coaster, The Asbury Park Press, The Star ledger...
This boards archives,
to judge a whole community by what is typed on a
board by the same 15 people.
Dan S.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
Thank God Its Over
What a huge huge bad impression the posts on this board have made.
I cant believe the crap
it.
Talking about the national election was certainly important to AP, as
important as when we talk of national financial trends.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
Thank God Its Over
What a huge huge bad impression the posts
Thank God Its Over
What a huge huge bad impression the posts on this board have made.
I cant believe the crap that came from some of you. Completely changed
my impression of the caliber of people in AP. No wonder AP has been
sooo messed up for sooo long.
OK, so I'm a outsider, My opinion
What a rediculous comparison, maybe you dont realize that the
redevelopment of the waterfront is an act created by your own
government. Its acres of land and millions of dollars in the balance
for the public - that would be YOU. You should be a bit pissed off
about how its all been handled.
You are really hitting a nail there... whats wrong with AP that
blinds people to the obvious? Something in the water they serve?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Okay, but Jack's original post to which I was responding was
complaining about (along with
I'll chime in on the downtown... It seems to also be a work-in-
progress... BUT it is working and does look and feel like a downtown.
From what I know it was not kicked off as a redevelopment it was
started by a few ballsy guys with money that saw the opportunity.
Private enterprise at work,
That short blurb is a gem - right on the money... anyone who ever
studied marketing will see the validaty of it.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jandlinap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with you... my concern is not about me... my responsibility
is to get you to come in the
You really have no clue what Im talking about... romantic childhood
memories
I have no memories of AP - what I do have is the media telling me
that AP is coming back - telling me that as far back as 2001 or so.
AP was on national television, in the Press, Springsteen had concerts
there
You really want to make where people are from in relation to their
opinions/observations an issue dont you ? Why ?? Cant see that its not
relevant ?
I thought that topic was put to rest on this group in the past - locals
vs nonlocals.
As to my name - I'm New ... LOL
Thought the issue on
about our differing observations.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
You really have no clue what Im talking about... romantic
childhood
memories
I have no memories of AP
Someone let me know that on the AP gay list no one talks about
redeveopment, the city, planning, the budget or anything else that
requires critical thought.
Home repairs, things for sale, fun things to do... I'm told are the
hot topics.
Perhaps requiring everyone to ID themselves leads to
, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
You really want to make where people are from in relation to
their
opinions/observations an issue dont you ? Why ?? Cant see that
its not
relevant ?
Not relevant? Are you capable of ANY self reflection? There are lots
of towns that you could be from
ALERT !
AP is part of Monmouth County, part of New Jersey, Part of the USA,
part of the World.
I dont need to live there to see whats going on.
Very myopic opinion you have.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
What explains our observations is
OK - lets explore that...
You are living there, part of the community and view things from that
perspective, day to day, seeing small incrimental changes in the
positive direction, busy managing you life, work etc. Partaking in
the events.
Your postings indicated you are content to have fun
by the
administration
in Asbury Park.
The strides that have been taken were written off as impossible for
many years by the business community and the political community.
By any objective account the redevelopment is a great success.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap
Type Asbury Park Redevelopment into search engine.
Go to News
Start at year 2000
Read
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
Im not measuring the present against any memories, but against
Again, another rational observation from a local.
(I keep pointing that out fot gabbi who seems to think I should have
no say becaose of not being there)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good point. I've never really thought about it that way as I'm
Earlier in the year, road trip time.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When is the last time you were here?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
What are you a psycologist?
constant need to criticize others
and that the bandstand
building should have been restored as it was designed and built.
You call that ...constant need to critcize others...
Time for you to look at yourself.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New
Well someone 'gets it' ...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gab, Your missing a very significant aspect of Asbury Park.
Many people have never been here yet follow the news and care about
the City.
Its reasonable to have expectations based upon the news
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
As for AP not being finished...I am simply in no position to judge
anyones timeline. i don't know many people who are. and i have too
much fun here to care. about timelines. I am a fan of slow growth
whether it is
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
As for AP not being finished...I am simply in no position to judge
anyones timeline. i don't know many people who are. and i have too
much fun here to care. about timelines. I am a fan of slow growth
whether it is
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't get where you are coming from. Do you live here? Own
property
here? you haven't been here is several months? if you haven't been
here is several months, whats your gripe and what do you care? you
sound like
Lots of expectations ??? AP has been advertizeing ITSELF for years.
Perhaps it should have been - 'Come on down, we're no where near
finished, messed up a perfectly beautiful beachfront with cargo
containers and stucco. Thanks for visiting, Condos will not be finished
in your lifetime.
I
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
doesn't your post sorta prove that you aren't ignoring the trolls?
I learned this great trick when i was nannying for three monsters.
Distraction. The mom taught me. Start a more interesting AP related
post when the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
doesn't your post sorta prove that you aren't ignoring the trolls
I learned this great trick when i was nannying for three monsters.
Distraction. The mom taught me. Start a more interesting AP related
post when the
Came to read up on AP...what do I find...the group has imploded.
I thought the moderator issued a warning about flooding the place
with political and non-AP rants...he even dropped me a note after my
last WTF to explain it wasn't normal (thanks).
50 mesages in row under (Re: Interesting AP
Been lurking for a while and can only think - WTF ???
A politics discussion gets the group on moderated status (didn't your
moms ever tell you not to discuss politics or religion? - too volatile
in a group setting)
Then someone wants to talk about city economics and ends up getting
cursed at and
I laid back for a while to see where the talk would go to.
Why is it that any mention of making things better is usually flagged
as a complaint? I always though that being critical of things tends
to make them better.
No wonder Asbury is in such a mess, noone wants to take advice or
admit
This is what I dont get. Why does everyone (almost everyone) measure
things by 'its better then it was' when there are obvious problems
with whats being done?
Seems that anything is accepted and saying that its bad or could be
better gets you flagged as not going along with the project. I
From what I have seen in other places the common thread is that they
are developers, not good neighbors. The best developments are when
the local community keeps a tight leash (control) on whats being done.
There have been many comments here about accountability and process.
Its quite a long
of that building is
now obscured by a shipping container.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
That was my impression too, they are awful. This was brought up
here
before they were even put in. Seems really cheap and tasteless.
They
block the views down the street
I really hope not, they really degrade the whole area. Isnt there
enough space in the real buildings to run businesses? Shouldn't the
developer fix up and but shops in the one they occupy, its the worst
one down there.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
its
That's exactly what I was getting at when mentioning the views and
color choices, not to mention the building styles. Is just seems so
conformist, anyplace and thrown together.
Did anyone notice that large blank orange wall across from the Empress?
A few windows would really help that out.
It would have been great for my weekend visit if there were lockers
someplace. Like in the bus and train stations of nyc.
Great idea as a start if showers and changing rooms are not in the
plans right now.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In
That was my impression too, they are awful. This was brought up here
before they were even put in. Seems really cheap and tasteless. They
block the views down the street too.
Madam Marie is really squeezed in now so I cant get a good classic
picture anymore.
--- In
Thats a great observation. I wrote before about this building but the
replies indicated that people like the way it came out.
Thats what I dont understand, people defending the stucco job and
three color paint job. This is a real Do-Wop icon. I've never seen
anything like it and can just
The look and style is like a mall. Everything is the same, stucco and
some color badly used. Cartoon Architecture.
I think time will not improve that, a lot of money has been spent.
Looks like thats what your getting. The style and construction methods
could be found just about anywhere.
The
I remember that there was a sign right when you walk into the
conventon center, one of those a-frame things that sit on the ground.
My experience was not good related to bathrooms, I went in one of
those portable toilets on the boardwalk before finding the other one.
Very tacky and low class
. Funny that you dont think the boardwalk looks 'cheap',
perhaps you dont know what a place like the bandstand building is
supposed to look like?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
I'll
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@
wrote:
the principals of the Plan are regularly violated.
Don't you mean supplanted? ;)
===
I listened to the audio that was posted on line and its very
enlightening, a great service, thanks.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Colors have nothing to do with quality! Not sure why you're
bringing that up into the case you're trying to make! :-) The
stucco used could have been done the cheap with, foam board covered
in a skim coat. That is
phases and certain buildings from the 50s/60s are recognized as
worth saving. Its a record of the life of the town and in a larger
picture a record of civilization.
You think everything should be plowed down or remodeled just because
it can be ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap
I'll second that, it looked to me what Ive heard about in the media
did not get done. I thought Asbury was rebuilt over the last years.
Looks like a long wasy to go.
You are so right about guality, Ive been to many places and the best
show attention to detail and good presentation. I hate to
@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
I read a lot about striving for great architechture in that
local
paper - the TriCities. Didn't anyone care about it?
There is only so much space on the boards
They are not modern, they are cheap. Thats the new trend in todays
architecture sometimes refered to as placeless design or cartoon
architecture.
Basics like massing, details and color are mismatched or out of
scale. Certainly you have seen the trend in suburban malls and
housing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
Why is construction on the boardwalk not finished, I understood
that
Memorial Day was the drop dead date ?
As Forrest said, it happens
for great architechture in that local
paper - the TriCities. Didn't anyone care about it?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
at least not in my book. Especially when considering the cool
old
Just got permission to post, Hi
Ive been reading stuff here for a long time getting excited about AP.
Visited this past weekend and had a great time. But left with a few
questions.
Why is construction on the boardwalk not finished, I understood that
Memorial Day was the drop dead date ?
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