I'm saying that if a minority can easily get into a top university,
This is not true.
and can easily get a top position at a top firm
And neither is this.
And that has been what I have proven to you repeatedly with the research and
statistics which I posted.
And , to throw this back to you
'Gel's position is that America is a boiling pot of racism and nothing has
changed from it's beginning'
Wrong! This is not and has never been my opinion!
You obviously have not been reading anything I've posted, or instead forming
your own opinions on it rather than what my meaning
actually is.
It probably is the end of your save game.You could try copying it to a memory
card, then deleting it from the harddisk.
I think the really important thing is whether this was just a glitch, or
whether it's indicative of an impending harddisk failure.I
don't know what sort of diagnostics tools
in at least academics the system may be stacked against women -
not on purpose, but because it was
designed around men and their needs.
So you can say that maybe in academics the system is stacked against women, but
you can't admit that it's stacked against non
whites...whether on purpose or
Larry posted the results of the study that sent out resumes where the ones with
non white sounding names but identical resumes were
refused the interview.
You're just unwilling to face the truth.
You put forward the completely disingenuous front that non white people in
America have the same
Pure BS and propaganda.
I'm talking about the average white person that does not have to face the
discrimination and the racism in America succeeding, as
opposed to the black person that has to work 4 times as hard to get to the same
damned place!That isn't right, and it isn't fair,
and your
It's an insipid argument, it isn't logic.
By the same argument if there is one white man that gets a job inspite of
Affirmative Action, then the program is not a problem.
-Gel
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From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
what numbers? You posted a list. Your logic
Reformat and reinstall.
-Gel
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Here is the wierd thing. When I browse my hard drive, the saved games show up
just fine. I assume if they were corrupt it would say
so. Here is something else odd. I don't get a chance to actually load my game.
I
Well!!
Google apparently has plans to bring out their Own Web Browser!
They recently registered gbrowser.com
Can their own OS be far behind??
The new browser is expected to be based on the highly successful FireFox.
-Gel
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Splenda is cool.
But it still doesn't taste as good as Sugar :)
And it doesn't contain this phynillinanine thing.
-Gel
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From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Didn;'t crystal light switch to sucralose a few years back (splenda)?
How could you even attempt to interpret this by Absolute numbers when you're
dealing with different population figures?
And I'm assuming you mean poor whites in America, since as we all know Whites
are a minority when taken as a race worldwide.
It's like saying if you have 100 Red mice that
Yeah it's sweet..but..there's this odd aftertaste that I just wasn't able to
get accustomed to.
-Gel
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From: Tony Weeg
its all we use now, and its sweet enough :)
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Now you're simply being obtuse.
Poverty is a factor of race in America.
But whatever makes you feel better. Racism is not a problem in America, and
minorities are not discriminated against in the American
workplace and school admission system by Whites.*Shrug*
If thinking so and raising
The only true statement is the last, and ironicaly this is the only statement
which affects the points which I and others have put
forward with regards the levels of poverty in white and non white populations.
The others are disingenuous.
-Gel
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From: Jerry Johnson
Now that's an understatement.
But these figures and the study, which I also alluded to in a previous post,
helps prove my point.
Race and racial discrimination is preventing minorities from getting top jobs.
And it is the same with school admissions. The
problem exists, it has not magically
...
???
No I am not dealing with absolute numbers.
If you say that the sample is 105 mice..and 50% of blue mice are employed..that
means that 2.5 blue mice are employed.(did you
really think about this before posting?).And if 10% of red mice are employed,
then 10 Red mice are employed. But in
What's the point you are trying to make here?
That the top 5 percent richest people in America are white?
That the top 5 percent White people make more money than the top 5 percent
black people in 2001?
That the top 5 percent white people have always made more money across the
board than the
Rofl!
'There are plenty'...I've already shown that over 90% of the CEOs are White,
and you are saying 'there are plenty'?
And we aren't talking about 'everywhere', we are talking specifically about
Racism and how it affects minorities in America, and
Affirmative Action as a means to address
Precisely why I disagree with those that say that Prejudice and Racism is not a
problem in America and is not negatively affecting
non whites in America, and that Affirmative Action should be removed.
Things are getting better, but they are no where near the levels where a
program such as AA
Yes, a few people's responses have indeed shown that they can't stomach the
truth even when clearly and simply presented to them.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: G
Who's the you here?
Actuallynever mind. I dont think I can stomach another Angel post about
personal antecdotes and
I wasn't sure what Dana had derived from her figures when she posted, because
she just posted links.
But there you go,the income disparity is right infront of you.
Now you are bringing nebulous notions of how many people applied etc. to try to
explain an INCOME DISPARITY!
Ridiculous in the
Security experts are tracking a new malware variant, targeting the MySQL
open-source database, which has likely infected thousands
of Windows systems.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=74e=9u=/cmp/20050128/tc_cmp/59100205
-Gel
I'm not going to go through the trouble to show you what % of the white
population is a CEO as opposed to what % of the black
population is a CEO.
Dana posted links clearly showing the disparity in income which has existed
since 1966.
Argue that, I'm sure you'll find a way.
Probably Mars
Looks great!
I just personally find the text on the menus and in the blue area just a point
size or two too small to read comfortably (I'm not
20/20), but that's just me :)
Is Shreveport around this area?
-Gel
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From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have
Oh and why not have the colored mouse overs for the input boxes as well the way
it is for the Search button..that looks cool :)
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So why is the temperature on the planet increasing then? Why the changes in
weather pattern.
Let's say for one moment that it isn't becase of Global Warming effected by
mankind's activities...the trend is STILL a problem.
What is to be done about it?
-Gel
-Original Message-
From:
I also agree that things have gotten better, and it is in large part due to AA.
You argue that AA needs to be removed. Which is
nonsensical in light of that.
I find it intriguing that you point to just 9,000 blacks enrolling in law
school in the United States as a 'good' thing. I guess
'good '
Its not funny that they usually have money Tony.
What happened in the Caribbean Islands?
Yes..Whites invaded the islands and took them over to rape and pillage their
resources.
So is it any wonder that after Slavery these white families retained ownership
of the land and their plantations and
I..don't understand..what statistic are you looking at??
And I have already provided evidence and research to back my points.
You've just chosen to ignore it and instead put forward anecdotes.
-Gel
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't think I have
Are you serious?
You hold Personal Accounts as proof of something?
What if I get 10 people to register on this list that have accounts of being
discriminated against in the work place, of not being
admitted to University where AA was removed at a state level because they were
a minority?
?
Excuse me?
I'm holding myself down?
Look boy ketch yuh falling self eh!
I don't live in America, and in Trinidad society circles I'm certainly not
'held down' by anything or anyone.
Nice rant btw. Pity it doesn't address the key issues of the debate,
your anectdotal offerings not
Situation #1,
Someone that joined Walmart as an entry level clerk was passed over 4 times for
promotion in the technology services area whilst his
White counterparts who didn't know half as much as him were consistently
promoted ahead of him. One of them eventually became his
manager. There
For years many African Americans and Minorites have been discriminated against
in your country and prevented from participating in
the most desirable jobs and universities simply because of their race! Even
when this was declared unconstitutional the practice
still persisted! (Beuchamp and
I do not think that Racism is right.
Affirmative Action was not meant to lead to enforced quotas, it was the racial
motivations of Whites that forced Quotas since they
abused the Affirmative action standards and intentionally manipulated
admissions and job application processes to exclude
Great.
So put forward a solution that would fight the 'root' of it.
And until that solution starts to work, we have Affirmative action.
When the upper power echelons of business and education have a more homogenous
makeup perhaps we would not need Affirmative Action.
However any removal of the
I agree the system is stacked against minorities from the beginning.
And this was what AA sought to address, to try to afford them the same
oppurtunities despite the fact that they are discriminated
against, and the deck is 'stacked' against them so to speak.
Your goal for education in schools
Those weren't true stories. I was making the point that anecdotal evidence is
an oxymoron.
I disagree that things have gotten better to the point where Minorities in
America are not significantly affected by racism in terms
of their earning potential and education potential.
I disagree that
Your specious argument about whitey not offering anything doesn't help your
case either. It was indeed because 'whitey' didn't offer
anything that blacks and other minorites had such a long and difficult struggle
in the US to get basic Civil and Human rights, and
the struggle continues today.
They live mostly on the Western tip of the island, with a small population of
about 50,000 - 70,000 'Trini' Whites (I forget what
percentage of the population they are...less than 10% I believe and we just
have about 1.2 million people on the island).
They stick together in little cliques most
I haven't said your ideas are unattainable.
Though it seems the majority of Americans aren't intersted in attaining your
lofty goals, or following the principles set forth for
America by its Founding Fathers.
And what I am saying is that in the meantime UNTIL those goals are achieved or
at
You still haven't explained the fact that TODAY, right now these statistics
hold true.
White men make up only 48% of the college educated workforce, yet they
make up 96% of America's CEO positions,86% of Law Firm partnerships and 85%
of tenured college positions.
-Gel
-Original
ROFLMAO!!!
Classic Post! Classic Post!
^_^
-Gel
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From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold
/me writes this day down in the Cf-Community diary as the day Jochem publicly
announces that he was a victim of an errant loop. That
he is not the perfect programmer she has come to
What Blog software are you using?
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Michael T. Tangorre
I am going nutty here...
I am working on my layout for my site/blog (www.cfcoder.com /
www.cfcoder.com/layout_test.cfm) compliments of the Aura template. I got sick
of sifting through 5 CSS files so I
Small price to pay after years of slavery, segregation and racial prejudice.
It's because from polls and statistics that they have found white HR managers,
and executives would NOT hire a Non White individual
if they had a choice between them and a White person for the job regardless of
merit,
So more white men are CEOs because of racism in the past.
So would Affirmative Action have helped turn this around?
Then we move to women, to saying that Women actually don't want to be CEOs.
Let's talk about Non Whites here.
Non - Whites don't want to be CEOs, or Law Firm partners either?
America? Based on your own interactions with
your peer group?
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:48:00 -0400, Angel Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and i bet $1000 that an african american owned firm would behave the same
fucking way
You're delusional if you think that Racism isn't still a problem in the United
States.
According to National US Census data in 2000, 89.5% of CEOs were White.
75.1% of Human Resource Managers were White, but only 72.8% of the entire
working population of 137,668,735 in the US was White...
And
I'm not assuming anything.You said that there should be no government mandate
against human nature with regards to Racism.
Perhaps there is some impairment to your understanding of what that statement
truly means.
You are saying that if the nature of Caucasian America is to be racist and to
The point of my post, and the weight of the evidence I put forward, is that
Racism in America's workplace and School Admissions
program is a significant problem for Non White advancement.
The Why the percentages are so low is quite clearly because of racial prejudice
in the marketplace. Given
What does that statement, or situation, have to do with anything I spoke about
with regards
discrimination in the workplace, or in school admission?
It's totally a red herring.
-Gel
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here here! Especially that last
No Tony.
Ignoring your argument which is meant to have emotional appeal:
Drive, determination,qualification in short MERIT, may guarantee a White person
a job in corporate America, or admission into a top
University, but the FACT is that it did NOT guarantee a Non White the same
position or
I'm sorry. But I don't agree that Non Whites who have been segregated,
marginalised and discriminated against in the workplace or
for school admissions are stupid.
Feel free to have a different opinion.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Michael T. Tangorre
Even Tango will toast to that
Interesting.
However irrelevant.
The stats do not mention Whites and African Americans. It mentions Whites and
NON Whites.
This includes those Hispanics, Asians and Indians who, according to your claim,
do not have a problem with reading and being
educated and promote education and
And in the absence of a cogent reply, you resort to being facetious.
The attempt to appear to be part of a group with the same ideology in the
notion that this some how lends more credence to such
posturing
also has no effect or bearing on the points I have put forward.
-Gel
-Original
Yes...she does cover both requirements for a Minority in the white house
amazingly adequately doesn't she?
There is actually no one else to have fulfilled that role in the White House so
completely.
How many other members of your Congress are Non White?
How many Supreme court Judges are
No. I do not agree with that inapplicable analogy.
I agree that Racism exists in present day Corporate America, and in School
Admissions and that the studies have shown that when AA
is removed, minorities suffer terribly and are discriminated against as in the
so called 'old' days.
I agree
I think to have a blue bird you are either about to head into serious trouble,
or you're doing something really freaky.
I prefer tan birds.Although white doves are ok. Actually..don't mind black
birds either.
Come to think about it Asian Kiskidees are fine too...or how about a latin
lark.
to jump on my back...
Now change the bird to blue before I get pissed!
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What does that statement, or situation, have to do with anything I
spoke about with regards discrimination in the workplace, or in school
admission?
It's totally a red herring
I disagree.
They weren't penalised by a horrible education system.
They were penalised by the racist social stratification of American society.
How do you intend to get 'real' education to minorities with the education
system stacked against them?
What are you going to use to effect that goal
Oh really, What proof do you have that Whites are being negatively impacted by
Affirmative Action in appreciable numbers?
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Nick McClure
And like was said before, those stats are irrelevant.
MUMFORD! :)
-Gel
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From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:48 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: That character from Sesame Street
cf_disclaimer
Okay, so, we have a kid, and we're reliving our childhoods. So sue me.
Forgive me if I'm ignorant here, but why was Affirmative Action in the United
States started in the first place?
-Gel
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Oh.
I thought it was that due to being black they weren't being admitted.
President Lyndon Johnson said in 1965, You do not take a person who, for
years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring
him up to the starting line of a race and then say you are free to compete with
all the
Correct.
Jamie Foxx's character was the lead character.
But then...as the discussion on the list shows.
We all know why he was placed as the 'Supporting Actor'.
0_0
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden
So, Jamie Foxx got an Oscar nom for Best Supporting Actor for Collateral.
X-Block is another one you could try?
www.spywareguide.com has a link to it I believe.
-Gel
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From: Raymond Camden
My wife's machine got infected by some -very- bad spyware. I've used ad-aware,
spybot, and the MS spyware removal, and my system is
still not clean. I
Mm hmm.
Ever the optimist aren't we.
*humph*
-Gel
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From: Larry C. Lyons
because he was not as big of a Star as Tom Cruise perhaps?
larry
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Chief Cell Systems Architect says Sony has learnt from it's mistakes with the
PS2 and that the consortium which created Cell has
ensured that the chip is easy to program for.
http://news.com.com/PlayStation+3+chip+goes+easy+on+developers/2100-1043_3-5476933.html
SAN FRANCISCO--The Cell
http://eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=54200580
And here is even more detail on the programming that will be required on the
Cell platform, talking about APUlets and processing
elements...
Umm...0_0..it just *sounds* complex to program for. One article mentioned,
quite humorously I
You need to put the heater inside your jacket then.
-Gel
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From: Paul Ihrig
my heater under my desk is not doing it for me...
-paul
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I think it looks very nice and...purply...
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold
Awww. For a non-profit I think the site is very nice.
Why do you think it is awful?
Again, remember it's a non-profit.
Cheers,
Erika
Excellent Review :)
I would try it, but I don't like Platformers.
I can't handle the jumping around on crates or ledges and falling to your doom
if you mis-time something :)
-Gel
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From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also, as has become tradition in Sony's
Well, I'm sure you have all heard about the Cell processor that is to power the
PS3 console.
It seems though that Sony could have much larger plans for this processor, and
that it will actually make it's way into computers,
perhaps even become it's own computing platform.
The processor is
Is anyone else getting problems to connect to MSN Messenger?
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Message:
Theres a message on the MSN Messenger website server status that they've been
having problems it seems.
I had to run regsrv32 softpub.dll to get it to connect.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis
Working fine here in Boston (Comcast).
Jim Davis
That was my understanding too, and it was totally incorrect actually.
Just on its own, the processor is ungodly fast, in part because if it's multi
core architecture.
I expect to hear much more about this paradigm shift in computing soon.
The Cell Processor
This is a 9 core processor, one of
Oh gods.
-Gel
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HAHAHAH SOOO CRAZ. How is eevryone?
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I think that you are blessed in that it was all before your time.
*giggles quietly*
^_^
-Gel
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From: G
refresh my memory...???
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Wtf is that!
-Gel
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From: Tony Weeg
EASY
rocky, wouldnt appreciate that...
http://www.revolutionwebdesign.com/rockyOnCouch.jpg
thats my son!
tw
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Nvidia 6600 GT right now - Under 200US. Nothing else delivers similar
performance for the price right now.
ATI 800XL in the near future. - Under 300US.
-Gel
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From: Won Lee
My friend wants me to ask the gamers on the list this question..
I need to buy a graphics
Isaac is getting a sex change.
Dana and Sam are getting married.
Larry's wife is having a real kid and he's hoping it has just two legs.
Tony and Michael are renewing their vows next week.
Mikey is under scrutiny from the FBI because he was found with two laser
pointers and a foil cap yelling
Oh Please.
Without Sammy you guys would be bored.
^_^
Kill File? Heaven forbid :)
I'd miss half the fun.
I guess Sam will be celebrating the whole Inauguration thing today.
-Gel
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From: Larry C. Lyons
No he's not worth it. He doesn't fit into the net loon
No.
Way.
They apparently have far too many health problems.
Little cutey pie diswasters!
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons
You might want to consider ferrets then. People simply are not allergic to them
(OK some are but its so rare). The are almost the
ideal pet when it
Geeez!!
How could you have the best processors on the market, and still loose!!
It seems the message is produce mediocre stuff and shove marketing down the
public's throat!
-Gel
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Perhaps it is not a Tsunami, but if you recall there was widespread devastation
in Greneda from Hurricane Ivan, and the small Caribbean country seems to so far
have been unable to recover :(
--
Hurricane Ivan has long passed but recent deaths in Grenada are being attributed
to traumatic
Because it is:
Wolverine Inspector writes The Music Industry uses a product called [0]HSS
(Hit Song Science) made by Spain's Polyphonic HMI.
According to The Guardian while no one's talking about it, it seems that the
whole record industry is already [1]using AI to choose
hits. From unsigned
(0_0)
Snibbitz wibbitz.
-Gel
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I Need you!
It's my turn!
Go check your IM's :P
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the Fact that the central
reasoning for going to war in Iraq was false.
-Gel
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From: Sam
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:14:19 -0400, Angel Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Iraq had the weapons according to the UN. Saddam agreed to destroy them to end
the war but then reneged
WhoooaaaGoogle is really trying to diversify. And so far their products
have been quite good.
This is a new one that sorts the Photos on your computer, allowing you to do
basic image editing to each one, and quickly email them
to people.
http://www.picasa.com/
It is meant to work hand in
That is false.
According to George Bush the central reason for going to war was that he had
stockpiles of WMD and was therefore a clear and present
danger to the United States and to the world. You can misremember as much as
you want, but htat was what your president said and
what he put
Stop fighting it and just get the sex change.
Reallygo for it dude...err..dudette...
-Gel
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The full name on the address label read Susan Isaac Dealey.
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I enjoyed the movie thoroughly :-)
I thought it had a nice twist in the end that I didn't see coming.
I thought the acting was good, the story was refreshing and the settings and
camera work was just right for the story's elements and
characters.
Comments below for the spoilers
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Ok, maybe someone can explain this to me.
I do a search for SADDAM on the HOF Google search.
And it just returns two documents.
Am I doing something wrong?
Do I need some sort of qualifiers or prefixes before to get more relevant
results?
-Gel
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From: Michael T. Tangorre
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well...let's think about this.
Is a Nuclear Iran a good thing?
No more a bad thing than the US trying to muscle the world around. Think about
What is RLS?
I like to shake me feet from side to side to get to sleep. But once I'm
asleep..they stop moving (of course ^_^).
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg
hmmm... mine is diff. i sleep like a motherf***er, for hours on end :)
thats a good thing. what happens to me, is
Quite simply, my point is this:
FACT: George Bush's central reason for going to war in Iraq was that Iraq had
large stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction which
were a clear and present danger to the United States, and indeed to the world.
FACT: Countries around the world, UN Weapons
Microsoft bought over Giant Antispyware from giantcompany.com
Giant AntiSpyware was rated the best AntiSpyware package in independent reviews
before it was purchased from Microsoft.
It beat Adware, and SpyBot.
All Microsoft seems to have done to the package is add some name branding.
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/mars_object_050113.html
WOWSIES!
0_0
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That's all sooo cuuute :)
Congrats Hatton!
I'll drink one for you tonight!
-Gel
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From: C. Hatton Humphrey
Well, sorry I had to disappear for the last two days but I've been a little
busy. My son was born on Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at
8:59am.
He weighs 9 pounds 2
Uhhh..from what I recall, that was a major point of your arguments.
That Saddam DID have WMD. And they were either moved, or they would be found in
time.
Now your own President whom you support and voted for has admitted that his
intelligence was wrong and that Iraq did not have WMD
pre-war.
Have you checked out Magic Online?
-Gel
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From: James Smith
While we are on this subject, are there any Leeds/Yorkshire people here
familiar with Magic? I am really wanting to get into
playing it but am finding it hard to find people to play with.
--
Jay
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