Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> Adam wrote: > Respectfully, > Adam Phillip Churvis Maybe it's just me, but that didn't sound too respectful. But ... maybe you're right. Maybe there's no problem and there's no trend towards greater weapons bans. What we agree on is that responsible adults should be able to own and use guns.

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-19 Thread Adam Churvis
> I get your position: there's no problem and therefore no solution is needed. Nope, not much of a problem, really. Compare the gun-related numbers to others, like heart disease, drunk driving, obesity, etc. Those are *much* bigger drains on our society as a whole and ourselves individually, m

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-19 Thread Loathe
Larry, I like you. You are my friend. I can't talk about this rationally with you so I won't. -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:55 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control >I honestly thi

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-19 Thread Loathe
EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:53 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > Adam wrote: > An expert in gun control legislation? You got that right: I'm no expert. But I'd say that I have a hell of a lot more experience with all sides of th

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-19 Thread Larry Lyons
>I honestly think it goes beyond simply law or tactics. > >What do we think is an individual right in this country? > >The supreme court needs to get off its horse and try a gun case. They >refuse and refuse and aren't fulfilling the duties of the highest judicial >practice in the country. They h

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> Adam wrote: > An expert in gun control legislation? You got that right: I'm no expert. > But I'd say that I have a hell of a lot more experience with all sides of > this than you do, my friend. What do you bring to the table? I get your position: there's no problem and therefore no solution

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
I would love to own ANYTHING from HK. Pistol, rifle or sub gun. -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:47 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > The Galil SNR is a sniper rifle, as is the Gal

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
t: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control That's the incident I'm thinking of, he killed his wife or something? -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:17 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Con

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
> The Galil SNR is a sniper rifle, as is the Galatz. I hadn't looked at Galil configurations since the mid-eighties, and I was going by the caliber, which the 5.56mm isn't a sniping round by any stretch of the imagination. The SNR might *look* like a sniper rifle, but the ballistics of the car

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control Tim, But you were Army, training for Iraq, yes? Correct me if I'm wrong, but regular Air Force doesn't have nearly the same qualifying course, right? You know more about this than I do. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certi

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
That's the incident I'm thinking of, he killed his wife or something? -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:17 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > Correct me if I'm wrong Adam

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
n Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training in C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at ProductivityEnhancement.com - Original Message - From: Loathe To: CF-Community Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:43 PM Subject: RE: VA Massacre &

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
> > Adam wrote: > > I wan't offering one; I was making a statement, giving an opinion. > We already can't buy, say, 50 cal machine guns so we've already got > gun control. My God... it's like you know absolutely *nothing* about anything at all, my friend. Not only is it perfectly legal to own

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
> Correct me if I'm wrong Adam, but hasn't a Class 3 weapon only been used in > a crime once since the 30's when the stamps became mandatory? I believe you're correct. Seems that I heard a rumor about this around twenty-plus years ago, and what I heard was he used an M-16. Is this the incident

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
strict than the state rules for most things. -Original Message- From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:41 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control They might not be managed as public property, but they are owned by the state right? --

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > You can buy .50 machine guns under class three laws. > Exeent ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/pr

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
In Kentucky you only have to be 18 to purchase a handgun, you can be younger for other weapons. http://www.stategunlaws.org/viewstate.php?st=KY -Original Message- From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:16 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
The Galil SNR is a sniper rifle, as is the Galatz. -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:41 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > I want a Galil sniper rifle. It is a sexy beast that would be

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
They might not be managed as public property, but they are owned by the state right? -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:27 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control They aren't really public prope

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
riginal Message- From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:51 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control I don't understand how anti-carry laws concerning schools, which are lets remember public prop

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
You can buy .50 machine guns under class three laws. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:36 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > Adam wrote: > I wan't offering one; I was making a state

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
how to describe them, or how they are used so they screw stuff like that up all the time, which only leads to more fear. -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:02 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control Th

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:27 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > I'd be the first one to try to disarm/subdue/kill him, because I've > had seven years of martial arts and self defense training. I have no > prob

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Gruss Gott
> Adam wrote: > I wan't offering one; I was making a statement, giving an opinion. We already can't buy, say, 50 cal machine guns so we've already got gun control. Those that want gun bans are eventually going drown out your "experience" unless we find a workable compromise between "gun control"

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
esday, April 18, 2007 11:04 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control And how would that have helped you against a gunman 20 feet away? Scott Stewart wrote: > We can speculate all day about what if's. Without being there to assess the > situation I can't give a de

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
21, and we issue them pistols. -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:46 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > ...I'm certain students on campus with guns isn't the answer. > Maybe if

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
It may not deter him, but it sure as hell could have put him in a hole, or holes in him as the case may be. -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:45 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control If by repe

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
Correct me if I'm wrong Adam, but hasn't a Class 3 weapon only been used in a crime once since the 30's when the stamps became mandatory? -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:41 AM To: CF-Community Subject:

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control >Teachers should be able to carry. > >We let pilots now. You've got to be kidding. I went to Virginia Tech, I would not trust many of the professors being within a mile of a handgun. Especially not my former di

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
TED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:25 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control Criminals should know that if they point a gun at someone, there'll be 20 guns points back at them. One comment I would like to make concerning this concept. How many times in a given pe

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
> What the hell is the current gun control legislation other than poorly > enacted and enforced laws? Illegal. -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:16 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & G

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
being different now? -Original Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:08 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control i dont think so nick. he didnt give ANYONE a fair trial and took the law into his own hands. fuck him On

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
o: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control Yeah because we need more access to violently respond to people who cut us off on the freeway, look at us wrong walking down the Mall, or after a night of drinking. Your right. I like the idea. Population control via armed citizens. > I

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
I don't understand how anti-carry laws concerning schools, which are lets remember public property, are constitutional. -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:30 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Con

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
> The problem leaders have with statements like yours is that they offer > no solution. I wan't offering one; I was making a statement, giving an opinion. I wasn't trying to solve a problem. People are going to die from gun violence, that's a fact, and it's never going to change, ever. > If

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Gruss Gott
> Adam wrote: > The problem that experienced gun enthusiasts have with statements like yours The problem leaders have with statements like yours is that they offer no solution. If you want to lead, then use your "experience" to deliver an effective solution. If you're unwilling or unable to do t

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Dana Tierney
It already has. An offduty police officer shot and killed a sniper in a Salt Lake City shopping mall a couple of months ago. Locally, a man was shot and killed at the Walmart on Zuni last year by a citizen with a concealed carry permit who happened to be present at the time. Since the man who wa

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
>The dataline NBC report last night, and a couple of news stories I read >yesterday all said he had a bullet proof vest on. Do you have a link to that? ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIA’s for y

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
ning in C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at ProductivityEnhancement.com ----- Original Message - From: Scott Stewart To: CF-Community Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:30 PM Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control > 'Cause we don't have to dr

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
> And had that engineering student taken any gun use training? I don't > mean safety training. Was he in legal possesion of the firearm, or > was it one he "borrowed?" Enforcing the laws, including public > drunkeness laws a the solution. A deterrent would be to arm everyone. > Yeah sure,

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
The dataline NBC report last night, and a couple of news stories I read yesterday all said he had a bullet proof vest on. > -Original Message- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:43 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: VA

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
>The Bullet Proof vest showed he recognized the threat of return fire > what bullet proof vest? I looked through everything the Washington Post and the Roanoke Times has on the shooting and no mention of the shoot wearing a bullet proof vest. Sound more like a wish fulfillment rumour to me. The

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
Ct. Springfield, Va. 22152 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:45 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > 'Cause we don't have to draw aim and fire,

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
The Bullet Proof vest showed he recognized the threat of return fire > -Original Message- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > So, for me, that says that armed students couldn't stopped much of his > rampage if only for the threat of return fire. >

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Gruss Gott
> Ken wrote: > And how would that have helped you against a gunman 20 feet away? > Here's a question: why did the guy off himself when he did? Out of bullets? Heard the police? My guess is that he heard the police and, being the coward he was, shot himself before he had to tangle with the law.

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
> > I want a Galil sniper rifle. It is a sexy beast that would be nice > ti fire > > on a long rifle range. I also miss my Colt .45. It can't be > resored, so > > I am having it melted down. I might buy a new one, more likely I'll > get a Glock now. > I remember a Janes article on a .50 c

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
And had that engineering student taken any gun use training? I don't mean safety training. Was he in legal possesion of the firearm, or was it one he "borrowed?" Enforcing the laws, including public drunkeness laws a the solution. A deterrent would be to arm everyone. > When we were living

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
> 'Cause we don't have to draw aim and fire, and we don't telegraph our > intentions. > I don't wear my black belt everywhere I go. Why do you assume that someone drawing from a concealed carry is automatically telegraphing his moves, whereas you automatically are not? They are both smooth m

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
ion Developer SSTWebworks 7241 Jillspring Ct. Springfield, Va. 22152 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:08 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control Why do you guys *alwa

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
ncement.com - Original Message - From: Nick McClure To: CF-Community Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control But essentially you would be, unless you waited for him to come to you. If somebody is just aiming and shooting, your reac

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
> Yeah that works, drunken college kids with guns. You're gonna work security > in that situation aren't ya, Russ. When we were living in the Sturbridge Square apartments in Blacksburg, our neighbour had his bedroom window shot out by a drunk engineering student. If there were a lot more guns

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
Scott Stewart To: CF-Community Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control 1) I'm trained in Taekwondo (WTF, full contact not ITF or ATA), Muay Thai and Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, all full contact arts. I'm 42 and I still train. 2) Do you

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
-Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:40 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > Does training also teach the discipline to know when is the proper time to > draw your weapon and when not to? Yes-- Jesu

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread William Bowen
I think we'd all benefit from a general holstering of guns in this thread. Getting knee deep, all the pissing going on in this match. :-D -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
no reason. > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:32 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control > > I have no problem with well trained, reasonable, sane people carrying > firearm

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
So what about his other hand with the other gun? Just saying ;) > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:47 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control > > 1) I'm trained i

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > > > In the > > case of unknown nut jobs where you don't know the extent of what is > going > > on, walking blind into a halway to investigate gun file might just > get you > > killed > >

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
oper SSTWebworks 7241 Jillspring Ct. Springfield, Va. 22152 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:27 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > I'd b

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Settle down Opie. It's all fun and games until someone gets their sack shot off. If walking out into a hail of gunfire is the worse thing you do I think most of use would still be ok with you procreating. > If I walk blindly into a hallway to investigate gun fire, then I hope that I > would at

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
> Does training also teach the discipline to know when is the proper time to > draw your weapon and when not to? Yes-- Jesus Christ, have you *ever* been to a firearms self defense training course? Have you ever even read the table of contents of a curriculum? > I have no problem with well tra

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:33 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control The experts who had no interaction with the kid, and are basing this on what people are telling them after he killed a bunch of people. If he did t

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
> In the > case of unknown nut jobs where you don't know the extent of what is going > on, walking blind into a halway to investigate gun file might just get you > killed If I walk blindly into a hallway to investigate gun fire, then I hope that I would at least have my testicles shot off so that

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
> What the hell is the current gun control legislation other than poorly > enacted and enforced laws? Making universities gun free zones were > what made this tragedy such a tragedy. What would have happened if a > single professor or student who had been killed was able to draw down > on thi

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 7241 Jillspring Ct. Springfield, Va. 22152 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:23 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun C

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
> I'd be the first one to try to disarm/subdue/kill him, because I've > had seven years of martial arts and self defense training. I have no > problem attempting to disarm someone who's carrying a concealed handgun, > simply because the in the time that it would take the carrier to remove > and

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:14 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > > > Yes, the qualifier there is that it is your 12 year-old. > Do you mean that he is qualified because he is *my* 12 year-old that I

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
t: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:36 AM >To: CF-Community >Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control > >They took those steps, they all said there was nothing they could do. He >didn't make direct threats, he was writing

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
> Yes, the qualifier there is that it is your 12 year-old. Do you mean that he is qualified because he is *my* 12 year-old that I have trained? > I personally don't think conceal and carry can stop a nut-job on a rampage. Wanna bet? What do you think a well-trained licensed person carrying an a

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
Remember in 1970 the National Guard was not trained. they may have gone to basic training and advanced training, but the unit did minimal training. My cousin who was in the same unit as I was, just 25 years earlier, said he saw his rifle once a year when he "qualified." Everyone was pencil-wh

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
s 7241 Jillspring Ct. Springfield, Va. 22152 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:04 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control And how would that have helped you

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
> E.g., Ban the sale of all handguns and ammunition for them in their > current form. Create a new class of legal handguns and ammunition, > "12 mm", that would have 3 shot clips, biometric trigger controls, > etc. Something that would limit the killing power of the weapon in > the case of VT. A

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And how would that have helped you against a gunman 20 feet away? Scott Stewart wrote: > We can speculate all day about what if's. Without being there to assess the > situation I can't give a definitive answer. > > But based on past experience, I've have knives pulled on me, one guy left in > an

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:50 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control Then he would have just driven to Kentucky, or to a gun show, or anywhere else. What if they guy had two guns drawn and had already killed 5 people before you realized what was go

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
I can live with these laws. I also want mandatory training and concealed carry certification for all handgun purchasers. I don't care if they use it, but they have it. > If by repealed you mean fixed I agree. Virginia needs mandatory > waiting periods, safety courses, trigger lock requirement

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
> Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > > > ...I'm certain students on campus with guns isn't the answer. > > Maybe if the professors were armed, it would be different. > > I guarantee you that my 12 year-old is a safer and more accurate self- > defense

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
block the bullets? Then what, would have been able to skillfully disarm the individual, or would you have just made for a better target? > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:45 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject:

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
> ...I'm certain students on campus with guns isn't the answer. > Maybe if the professors were armed, it would be different. I guarantee you that my 12 year-old is a safer and more accurate self-defense shot with an automatic pistol than *any* professor on that campus. Why do you assume that ag

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:22 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control OK, and what is tieing the hands of the State Police? The stupid laws that were enacted by the state legislative bodies. Those need to be repealed. >practically walk into a 7-11 and bu

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
> The only way to keep a nut job like this is to control access in and > out of the campus, like a military reservation. > That was simply not possible for a place like Virginia Tech. Not including the aggie fields etc., the campus extends throughout the north western part of Blacksburg. To gi

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
> I want a Galil sniper rifle. It is a sexy beast that would be nice ti fire > on a long rifle range. I also miss my Colt .45. It can't be resored, so > I am having it melted down. I might buy a new one, more likely I'll get a > Glock now. Russell, the Galil isn't a sniper rifle; it's a der

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was watching the US vs. Lennon recently and was appalled by a quote from G. Gordon Liddy. In reference to the Kent State shooting in the spring of 1970. Paraphrasing he said something along the lines of The National Guard were 19 year old kids in a volatile situation. What did you expect. W

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
The experts who had no interaction with the kid, and are basing this on what people are telling them after he killed a bunch of people. If he did these things why didn't they show up on a background check? If he broke a law shouldn't they have done something then? A Dark imagination isn't enough,

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
t; >http://www.sstwebworks.com > >-Original Message- >From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:53 AM >To: CF-Community >Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control > >What the hell is the current gun control legislation

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
>Teachers should be able to carry. > >We let pilots now. You've got to be kidding. I went to Virginia Tech, I would not trust many of the professors being within a mile of a handgun. Especially not my former dissertation adviser. Moreover if the students and faculty had been armed, the slaugh

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Ian Skinner
Criminals should know that if they point a gun at someone, there'll be 20 guns points back at them. One comment I would like to make concerning this concept. How many times in a given persons life are they likely to face an armed criminal. Contrast this with how many times in a persons life where

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread G Money
On 4/18/07, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > He should've been tossed out of the school > > -- > Scott Stewart > ColdFusion Developer > > SSTWebworks > 7241 Jillspring Ct. > Springfield, Va. 22152 > (703) 220-2835 > > http://www.sstwebworks.com > You know what that would have changed

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
I'm scared of Lightening too, nothing wrong that. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I don't know what was going through her mind, my INTERNAL reaction was > wtf? But we talked about it and she seems to be scared to death of > lightening. I don'

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
s.com -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:04 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control So you've diagnosed him from two days of sensationalist media coverage? Wow, not bad. That is basically the same the

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If someone is bent on death and destruction if they do not provide a warning ( I am going to ) you cannot stop them in an even moderately free society. He could have just as easily driven his car into a crowd, a parade, carnival etc.. or poisoned the Salad Bar at the local eatery. You mig

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
field, Va. 22152 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com -Original Message- From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:53 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control What the hell is the current gun control legislation other than poorly enacted a

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
Last I check you became a vested citizen of this nation at 18 years old. -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:34 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control I'm in favor of conceal and carry, but I do

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
I'm talking about Scott what he is suggesting, he claimed he should have been evaluated and committed. > -Original Message- > From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:08 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Cont

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
SSTWebworks 7241 Jillspring Ct. Springfield, Va. 22152 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com -Original Message- From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:23 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control What new law would

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Tony
OTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:56 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control > > > > Oh, I dunno uhh... depression, bi-polar disorder, > > schitsophrenia(sp?). > > He wasn't some little goth kid wandering

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
ou got the trial. > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:56 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control > > Oh, I dunno uhh... depression, bi-polar disorder, > schitsophrenia(

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yeah because we need more access to violently respond to people who cut us off on the freeway, look at us wrong walking down the Mall, or after a night of drinking. Your right. I like the idea. Population control via armed citizens. > I don't agree. If 30 students pulled guns and fired at the

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
What the hell is the current gun control legislation other than poorly enacted and enforced laws? Making universities gun free zones were what made this tragedy such a tragedy. What would have happened if a single professor or student who had been killed was able to draw down on this guy? He

Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread G Money
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:40 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control > > > > All the doctors on campus had to do was recommend him for treatment, > > when he > > refused they could've had him committed. > > > &g

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
IL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:40 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control > > All the doctors on campus had to do was recommend him for treatment, > when he > refused they could've had him committed. > > -- > S

RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:40 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control > > All the doctors on campus had to do was recommend him for treatment, > when he > refused they could've had him committed. > > -- > Scott Stewart > ColdFusion

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