Re: [newbie-it] Installazione rpm
Alle 01:13, sabato 7 giugno 2003, kua79 ha scritto: E' da un pò che voglio fare questa stupida domanda... Quando io installo un programma, in questo caso da rpm, dove cavolo me lo installa ?!?! Come faccio poi a trovare il file per mandare in esecuione sto benedetto progr ?? Grazie ciao Davide Ciao, puoi utilizzare semplicemente kpackage. Utilizzando kde, in konqueror, basta che fai un click sul pacchetto (anche se lo hai già installato) e si apre kpackage, a questo punto nella finestra a destra, in alto, troverai delle etichette tra cui lista file, facendoci unclick sopra ti mostra la lista di tutti i file compresi i percorsi. Ciao Sandro -- Dr. Sandro Porrazzini - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GNU/Linux 2.4.21 on Pentium III - 733 Mhz Linux User # 203143 Linux Machine # 175781
Re: [newbie-it] Palm Pilot
Alle 17:30, giovedì 5 giugno 2003, Luigi Beltramini ha scritto: io uso jpilot che mi sembra molto più efficiente. Non ho fatto nulla di l'ho installato anch'io e funziona pero' non visualizza gli appunti presi a mano con kpilot nelle impostazioni in generale, prova a scegliere la voce USB-devfs. quella voce non c'e'; l'ho inserita a mano ma non va Una volta, usando la versione mandrake 9.0, ho provato a cambiare l'impostazione in lilo.conf (/etc/lilo.conf) append= quiet devfs=mount hdb=ide-scsi in append= quiet devfs=nomount hdb=ide-scsi (interessa solo l'opzione devfs=nomount) e il palm ha smesso di funzionare con kpilot, allora ho rimesso la prima impostazione e al riavvio è ripartito. Comunque so che si discute ancora su devfs, magari altri in lista possono darci qualche spiegazione in più al riguardo! Grazie ragazzi. Mauro
[newbie-it] All'avvio
Come faccio a togliere i servizi che mi carica all'avvio? Ad es mi carica qlcosa per il mouse e la tastiera USB e li volgio togliete perchè non mi servono a nulla! Non ho ne il mouse ne la keyb... usb! grazie ciao ciao Davide
Re: [newbie-it] All'avvio
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle 10:36, sabato 7 giugno 2003, kua79 ha scritto: Come faccio a togliere i servizi che mi carica all'avvio? Ad es mi carica qlcosa per il mouse e la tastiera USB e li volgio togliete perchè non mi servono a nulla! Non ho ne il mouse ne la keyb... usb! grazie ciao ciao Davide hai 2 metodi: uno di mandrake e uno manuale. Quello (automatico) di Mandrake: Mandrake Control Center -- Sistema - ---DrakXServices. Da lì avvii e stoppi i vari servizi; per non farlo partire al boot spunti la casellina di avvio al boot. Quello manuale: vai nella directory /etc/rc.d, entri nella directory del tuo runlevel (se hai l'avvio grafico è il 5 se no è il 3), quindi (esempio con X all'avvio) rc5.d e sostituisci la S(per start) iniziale del tuo servizio da eliminare in K(kill) (attento che il file è un link simbolico). Questo dovrebbe bastare. In alternativa rimuovi la voce riguardante il servizio, ma penso sia più prudente solo disattivarlo dal tuo runlevel. Spero di averti aiutato - -- Ragazza, se ti piacessero le cose morbide, ti farei impazzire! -- Da it.hobby.umorismo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+4anGTvJtVxCNwP4RAizqAKCUstIbLGPluIa5Ex27KHaIXfiGvACeM1th gI01qQeD2XsfsWC02sj+mKo= =Ky5n -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[newbie-it] Wine non funziona
Ciao a tutti. Ho installato l'ultima versione di wine in formato rpm da sourgeforce. L'installazione va a buon fine ma quando digito wine mi riporta questo errore: wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.dll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Cosa posso fare? Ciao e grazie! Tiziano.
[newbie-it] mutt: Ssssyyyyyyyddddd!!!!!!
Help! Help! Help! Help! Help! Help! Help! Help! Help! Help! Help! Help! Help! E' da due notti che cerco disperatamente alcune soluzioni; sono allo stremo delle forze e piu' in la' non riesco ad andare. I problemi sono questi: - c'e' un modo per vedere correttamente le parole accentate, che mutt mi converte in numeri di tre cifre? - come faccio il reply to all? - quando scrivo un messaggio, alla fine (arrivarci e' dura, comunque... non ho ancora la mano per vi) mi chiede se spedirlo o posporlo: se lo spedisco da' errore, se lo pospongo resta in una cartella a parte. Ma come si mandano i messaggi nella cartella outbox? - ammesso di riuscire a mandare i messaggi in outbox, come li spedisco davvero? E dopo, vanno loro in sent-mail? Tenete conto che io preparo i messaggi off-line, e poi spedisco tutto; spesso poco prima che vengano inviati li riprendo e li modifico, e non so proprio come gestire questa cosa. - per i filtri ho un certo numero di file .procmailrc che dovrei lanciare una volta al mese, per gli archivi. Ora non vorrei dover aprire tutti i .procmailrc ad uno ad uno ogni volta per correggere il numero e il nome del mese; tali file, inoltre, sono lanciati da uno script. E' possibile fare in modo che lo script chieda all'utente il numero del mese, e poi sistemi da solo i dati ai vari .procmailrc (in pratica che passi la variabile)? -- Burp! Arwan
Re: [newbie-it] le sorprese di kmail - ravanando con procmail
* Arwan ha scritto: Problemino: ho letto il man per fare il filtro su una cartella con la data corrente, ma non ho trovato esempi per filtrare tutte le mail arrivate prima di una certa data, credo che gli esempi del man diano per scontato il filtro giornaliero... e io ho roba vecchia da sistemare. Pensavo di agire cosi': :0: * ^Received:.*May 2003 $MAILDIR/0305 pero' nelle mail ci sono piu' righe che iniziano con Received... non e' che questo manda in pallone tutto? A parte il fatto che c'e' il campo date, che ho visto solo adesso... Personalmente non ho ancora usato l'header 'Date:' come chiave per un filtro. So che questo header è la data di partenza del messaggio che il sistema locale del mittente inserisce nel messaggio appunto in uscita. Una volta comunque che hai smistato per anno/mese vedi la seguente regola per un archiviatore automatico. Se in un file .procmailrc inserisci le variabili: DATE=`date +%y-%m` ARCHIVEDIR=$MAILDIR/archivio #archivio è una directory che devi creare Una regola come questa per esempio :0: * ^TO_*linux-mandrake.com $ARCHIVEDIR/newbie-mdk.$DATE Ha l'effetto di archiviare automaticamente, mese per mese, tutta la posta proveniente da newbie-it, tieni conto che questo sistema di archiviazione non considera l'headers Data, ma la tua ora locale di inserimento nell'archivio. Per questo non è utilizzabile per gli scopi della tua richiesta. Intanto potresti già farlo funzionare nel tuo sistema fetchmail-procmail-Mutt in maniera che procmail possa utilizzare questa regola nel monmento che riceve le consegne da fetchmail e i messaggi verranno inseriti in una mailbox datata che viene creata automaticamente e la posta di ogni mese avrà la sua rispettiva mailbox. Attualmente non ho fatto prove di smistamento per data ma non ho fretta. Quello che invece mi sta impegnando è la operatività del sistema in generale, per esempio ora sto configurando gli hook di mutt. Inoltre se tu avvii il tuo sistema con init 3 perchè preferisci la modalità testo, hai mai pensato poi come fare per vedere gli allegati grafici della posta il più velocemente possibile da Mutt ? Sto cercando di configurare .mailcap per far funzionare bene con init 3 l'avvio di questi allegati grafici. Con init 5 è facile, nella modalità testo invece sono riuscito cliccando sugli allegati grafici dei messaggi elencati da mutt ad avviare il programma per esempio che legge, ma non viene caricato l'allegato e sto cercandone i motivi. Sto ricercando anche i motivi per cui nei miei headers X-Mailer a volte viene scritta e a volte no, forse è la conseguenza di un hook configurato male, anche se non sono convinto. PS: Perchè hai inserito il replay to in kmail con il tuo indirizzo di posta è ridondante ti consiglierei di disatattivarlo. Ciao, Giuseppe. -- GNU/Linux Powered Red Hat 9 (Shrike) Kernel 2.4.20
Re: [newbie-it] le sorprese di kmail - ravanando con procmail
Alle Saturday 07 June 2003 16:21, a proposito di Re: [newbie-it] le sorprese di kmail - ravanando con procmail (e chissa' a cosa pensava veramente), Giuseppe Ferruzzi ha scritto: A parte il fatto che c'e' il campo date, che ho visto solo adesso... Personalmente non ho ancora usato l'header 'Date:' come chiave per un filtro. Funzia, funzia. A Son di testate l'ho fatto andare... mi crescevano le cartelle a dismisura e il sistema non si fermava piu' perche' avevo messo il loop la mailbox da processare con quella di destinazione :-) Se in un file .procmailrc inserisci le variabili: DATE=`date +%y-%m` Si', lo so, ma mi trovo bene a fare questo lavoro dopo che il mese e' passato, e non subito... potrei introdurre un qualche calcolo, ma poi il nome del mese (vedi may) come lo cambio in automatico? Ha l'effetto di archiviare automaticamente, mese per mese, tutta la posta proveniente da newbie-it, tieni conto che questo sistema di archiviazione non considera l'headers Data, ma la tua ora locale di inserimento Infatti, ed io invece voglio filtrare sulla data della mail... ma come ho detto funzia: :0: * ^Date:.*May 2003 $MAILDIR/0305 Intanto potresti già farlo funzionare nel tuo sistema fetchmail-procmail-Mutt in maniera che procmail possa utilizzare questa regola nel monmento che riceve le consegne da fetchmail e i messaggi verranno inseriti in una mailbox datata che viene creata automaticamente e la posta di ogni mese avrà la sua rispettiva mailbox. Come ti dicevo, mi va meglio fare tutto a fine mese, altrimenti rischio di perdermi tra i file. Quello che invece mi sta impegnando è la operatività del sistema in generale, per esempio ora sto configurando gli hook di mutt. Oh.oh... mi sono impallata anch'io. Ah, un'latra importante cosa: come si tolgono i beep che annunaciano l'arrivo delle mail? Quando ne scarichi un centinaio al mattino alle 6 non e' gran che piacevole... Ho rovistato su .muttrc, c'era un campo col beep, ma mi toglie il suono solo dal primo server da cui scarico, e gli altri pop nisba... Inoltre se tu avvii il tuo sistema con init 3 perchè preferisci la modalità testo, hai mai pensato poi come fare per vedere gli allegati grafici della posta il più velocemente possibile da Mutt ? Yes, lo salvo e non li guardo. Statisticamente ho un allegato grafico alla settimana, puo' anche aspettare. So che ci sono dei programmini, ma non ricordo quali. Per ora ho problemi piu' grossi. Sto cercando di configurare .mailcap per far funzionare bene con init 3 l'avvio di questi allegati grafici. Tieniti pronto per le spieazioni... Sto ricercando anche i motivi per cui nei miei headers X-Mailer a volte viene scritta e a volte no, forse è la conseguenza di un hook configurato male, anche se non sono convinto. Io sono in cerca di capire come funziona l'editor per i messaggi... per caso ne hai uno di semplice che funzioni da init3? PS: Perchè hai inserito il replay to in kmail con il tuo indirizzo di posta è ridondante ti consiglierei di disatattivarlo. uh? A dire il vero sto postando con kmail come la settimana scorsa... sendmail ancora non mi funziona... -- Arwan Strategia perdente, amoreggiare con la persona con cui si e' in rapporto d'amicizia. Avevo sempre cercato di tenermi lontano da situazioni del genere, era assurdo pensare che mi ci infilassi proprio allora. Asciuti, La notte dei Pitagorici
[newbie-it] sendmail vaniliacacao
Alle Thursday 29 May 2003 19:17, a proposito di Re: [newbie-it] fetch+proc+mutt+MTA [era:All'attenzione..] (e chissa' a cosa pensava veramente), syd ha scritto: Parliamo quindi della tecnica del _taroccamento_ del file vanilla che viene fornito dalla stessa versione di sendmail che installiamo; generalmente si chiama sendmailcf.example o qualcosa del genere.. una letturina al readme vi spieghera' come rinominarlo e dove infilarlo. Macchecavolo di vanillia! E' tutto il pomeriggio che lo cerco, ma nel mio HD di esempi su sendmail non c'e' traccia. L'ho rovistato come un calzino; e il readme spiega come generarlo... cose che non ho nessuna intenzione di fare. Sul dove infilarlo lo so io... :-) Syd, Giuseppe... FATE QUALCOSA!!! Uh... btw... io ho impostato (come da manualetto di Antonecchia) i send-hook, ma col cavolo che funzionano! (oppure sono sempre io che non capisco?) -- burp! Arwan
Re: [newbie-it] dmesg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle 09:41, venerdì 6 giugno 2003, in merito a Re: [newbie-it] dmesg, Eraser Head ha scritto: la risposta era This bug seems to be fixed with kernel 2.4.21-0.15mdk and the the bugfixes of April 10th of ML 9.1 and also in the latest cooker version ma evidentemente Uhm... Il fatto che il mio kernel sia il 2.4.21-0.13mdk potrebbe quindi essere il problema? Se sì, cosa dovrei fare? Scaricarmi il nuovo kernel e ricompilarlo? potrebbe essere un motivo... quanto a ricompilarlo, non credo serva, se mandrake rilascia i propri kernel con un modello simile a quello di RH, dovrebbe bastare l'installazione del RPM per avere il nuovo, unica accortezza (RH sovrascrive) non riavviare subito ma salvare il vecchio kernel, i vecchi moduli e rimetterli a posto dopo l'aggiornamento, e aggiungere a lilo il nuovo kernel, lasciando comunque il vecchio, considera che parlo comunque di (vecchie) RH, e l'aggiornamento di mdk potrebbe essere completamente diverso, quanto a ricompilare un 2.4.20 liscio, credo sia la soluzione migliore, a meno di non avere necessità del supporto dei dispositivi introdotti nel 21.mdk sarà comunque necessario qualche aggiornamento dopo la ricompilazione, ma solo di programmi marginali. Credo sia un'esperienza da fare, considera che non è così difficoltosa come sembra, e riciclando il config-2.4.21-0.13mdk come .config tutto si risolve in pochi comandi... Ho notato che l'errore me lo dà appena dopo aver scritto: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target5/lun0: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 Esiste un modo per sapere a che dispositivo corrisponde questo /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target5/lun0? #cdrecord -scanbus e vedi cosa hai attaccato alla catena 0 id 5 Chiara - -- bye miKe Slackware 8.1 GNU/Linux 2.4.20 @ hp Xe3 R.U.#219755 -- S.R.U.#705 -- R.M.#110932 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+4kuPF/9fksDJ4y0RAkENAJsFwNQwBmIzJBMi5K0Nc0Clm0VYiQCfXeuz a6FO4ixn+d0GET2ryWBmUTw= =bdQR -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie-it] Wine non funziona
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle 13:18, sabato 7 giugno 2003, in merito a [newbie-it] Wine non funziona, mandraker ha scritto: Ciao a tutti. Ho installato l'ultima versione di wine in formato rpm da sourgeforce. L'installazione va a buon fine ma quando digito wine mi riporta questo errore: wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.dll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory locate libntdll.dll.so se non lo trovi, ti manca qualche pacchetto che potrebbe fornirlo, è molto improbabile perchè solo wine dovrebbe avere librerie con quel nome... (potrebbe essere un link a un eventuale libntdll.so o libntdll.dll ma mi suona ancora strano..) dando per assodato che hai provato a lanciare ldconfig dopo l'installazione hai scaricato un rpm per mandrake? Cosa posso fare? Ciao e grazie! Tiziano. - -- bye miKe Slackware 8.1 GNU/Linux 2.4.20 @ hp Xe3 R.U.#219755 -- S.R.U.#705 -- R.M.#110932 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+4kyHF/9fksDJ4y0RAmlJAJ4psFzcEakACYsq1wiOFx1Cz7IQKwCbBwfk 88YoCaXhL3nVGum7GGDtvQg= =6TIL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[newbie-it] messaggi di fortune in coda alle mail con kmail
Come si fa? (io non l'ho capito ma vedo che molti di voi ci sono riusciti..)
Re: [newbie-it] mutt: Ssssyyyyyyyddddd!!!!!!
Arwan ha scritto: - c'e' un modo per vedere correttamente le parole accentate, che mutt mi converte in numeri di tre cifre? Questo è un problema che ho verificato anch'io, non ho ancora capito perchè ad un certo punto le lettere accentate non vengono più lette come tali, io la prendo con l'azione di formail, perchè ogni volta che si utilizza sembra modificare le lettere accentate. C'è sicuramente ancora qualcosa che mi sfugge. Sentiamo il parere di syd. - come faccio il reply to all? Con g - quando scrivo un messaggio, alla fine (arrivarci e' dura, comunque... non ho ancora la mano per vi) mi chiede se spedirlo o posporlo: se lo spedisco da' errore, se lo pospongo resta in una cartella a parte. Ma come si mandano i messaggi nella cartella outbox? Ma sei on line quando spedisci il messaggio ;) ? Lo sai poi del discorso che per l'invio della posta Mutt usa l'MTA locale. Che errore ti da ? Mutt comunque con y non ti avvia anche la connessione a meno che non lo configuri a fare anche questo. Per mandare i messaggi nella cartella outbox devi aggiungere in .muttrc: set record=+outbox ammesso che hai la posta nella directory standard ~/Mail Altrimenti al posto di + metti la path precisa. - ammesso di riuscire a mandare i messaggi in outbox, come li spedisco Apri la outbox con mutt, poi il messaggio e pigi r dopodichè fai le operazioni necessarie (le modifiche che vuoi) poi spedisci con y. Per quelli posposti invece pigi m, ti appare allora tutta la lista messaggi che hai precedentemente preparato e li invii uno per uno con y. E dopo, vanno loro in sent-mail? Tenete conto che io preparo i messaggi off-line, e poi spedisco tutto; spesso poco prima che vengano inviati li riprendo e li modifico, e non so proprio come gestire questa cosa. Mutt ti permette tutte queste operazioni, sembra che l'help non lo hai letto mai (si avvia con ?) ovviamente devi sempre salvarli in postponed prima di iniziare a scrivere il successivo messaggio, poi li richiami tutti con m e li invii uno per uno con y e andranno a finire automaticamente in outbox. Se non hai configurato postponed questa è la riga in .muttrc set postponed=+outbox e vale sempre quanto detto dell'altro comando. - per i filtri ho un certo numero di file .procmailrc che dovrei lanciare una volta al mese, per gli archivi. Ora non vorrei dover aprire tutti i .procmailrc ad uno ad uno ogni mese; tali file, inoltre, sono lanciati da uno script. E' possibile fare in modo che lo script chieda all'utente il numero del mese, e poi sistemi da solo i dati ai vari .procmailrc (in pratica che passi la variabile)? Questa risposta ce l'hai già nel precedente mio messaggio. Ciao, Giuseppe. -- GNU/Linux Powered Red Hat 9 (Shrike) Kernel 2.4.20
Re: [newbie-it] mutt: Ssssyyyyyyyddddd!!!!!!
* Giuseppe Ferruzzi ha scritto: set postponed=+outbox Arwan sostituisci quanto sopra con: set postponed=+postbox perchè non mi sono accorto che ho dato la stessa box anche a set record. Come vedi Murphy ha colpito ancora. Ciao, Giuseppe. -- GNU/Linux Powered Red Hat 9 (Shrike) Kernel 2.4.20
Re: [newbie-it] sendmail vaniliacacao
* Arwan ha scritto: ...nel mio HD di esempi su sendmail non c'e' traccia... il readme spiega come generarlo... cose che non ho nessuna intenzione di fare. Non c'è bisogno di configurare niente per far funzioanare sendmail in locale. La configurazione serviva solo per il problema del contenuto dell' header from se ti ricordi, sendmail lo sostituiva con il nome del tuo dominio locale ossia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Questo però è un problema che si verifica con le mailing_list che effettuano il controllo del mittente con i dati di registrazione (come newbie_it) per questo è importante che nel header from della tua posta uscente sia presente il tuo indirizzo e-mail d'iscrizione ma, se tu invii la posta agli amici non serve nessuna modifica a sendmail, e poi a questo c'è un rimedio facile nell'utilizzo di sSMTP al posto di sendmail per l'invio della posta. Quindi provvedi subito a scaricartelo dalla rete, lo dovresti trovare facilmente con google, prenditi l'ultima versione disponibile. Quindi come vedi non devi rigenerare niente. Comunque sendmail purtroppo ti serve come Delivery ed è necessario sempre anche se usi procmail. Potresti ovviare sostituendo postfix al posto di sendmail. Ma non credo che cambi qualcosa per quanto ti riguarda. Quello che non capisco è il perchè syd che ha la tua stessa slack ha tutte le informazioni che tu nella tua installazione non hai ? Che razza di slack è la tua ? O che tipo di installazione hai effettuato che non c'è mai niente di quello che ti si chiede ? Uh... btw... io ho impostato (come da manualetto di Antonecchia) i send-hook, ma col cavolo che funzionano! (oppure sono sempre io che non capisco?) Lo vedi come sei fatta lascia stare gli hook... Hai tante cose da sistemare ancora, solo a dopo le rifiniture, anche io all'inizio un hook non mi funzionava, poi mi sono accorto e dopo parecchio che avevo dimenticato un trattino '-' nel comando, tutti gli altri erano giusti meno che quello e poi era pure l'ultimo nella lista degli hook in .muttrc. Questa è la legge di Murphy e si vede che anche tu sei molto soggetta, questa legge non guarda in faccia a nessuno ;) Ciao, Giuseppe. -- GNU/Linux Powered Red Hat 9 (Shrike) Kernel 2.4.20
Re: [newbie] turning on Kernel modules
On Saturday 07 June 2003 05:08 am, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: Thanks would seem I don't have V4L on my system and I can't find a Xfreee86 driver for a Radeon 8500DV with TV tuner support. Ahh well there goes KwinTV then. The v4l module is an XFree module that should be loaded by the XF86Config-4 file. Here is the applicable section from mine: Section Module Load dbe # Double-Buffering Extension Load v4l Load extmod Load type1 Load freetype Load dri # needed for VooDoo3 driving second head Load glx # 3D layer for GeForce3 EndSection Check the contents of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and see if it is trying to load v4l, if not, add it. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Scanner problem on mdk 9.1
On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 2:18 pm, Marco Verheul wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 10:16, Anne Wilson wrote: Sounds like a conflict to me. I think you have installed two drivers - one from the Agfa disk and one from the Mandrake install. If it were me, I would try getting rid of the stuff from the Agfa disk, then go back to Hardware List and run the config tool again. See if XSane runs it then. Anne _ _ OK, i put a comment sign in snapscan.conf where the firmware is indicated. Next I rebooted because hardware detection went very very slow. After reboot I configured my scanner again and fired up Xsane. Now I got the error: Failed to open device:snapscan:/dev/usb/scanner0': Invalid argument. Still no cigar. Marco Well, at least it's easy to reverse g It still sounds like a conflict to me, but I have no more suggestions. Sorry Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Scanner problem on mdk 9.1
On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 H:16 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 1:06 pm, Marco Verheul wrote: Hi, I couldn't use my flatbed scanner on mdk 9.0 and I still can't on 9.1. The scanner is a AGFA SnapScan e50, which is listed by SANE as supported. Here is what I did sofar: From the AGFA CD i copied the firmware to a directory in my home. As root I opened file /etc/sane.d/snapscan.conf and changed line: #-- General -- # Change to the fully qualified filename of your firmware file, if # firmware upload is needed by the scanner firmware /home/marco/drivers/Snape50.bin I left file /etc/sane.d/dll.conf untouched Then I opened Mandrake Control Center - HardDrake where my scanner is listed in the hardware list as SnapScan e50 on port /dev/usb/scanner0 Run config tool - it does not find ant configured scanner, so I do: - Add a scanner manually - Choose my scanner from the list - Choose /dev/usb/scanner0 as Device - Press OK I get a dialog Congratulations! Your AGFA Gevaert NV SnapScan e50 has been configured. You may now scan documents using Xsane ... Quit Scannerdrake. Now, for my curiousity, I go to Scannerdrake directly and not via tha hardwarelist. It doesn't find any configured scanners(?!) Well, I startup Xsane anyway and I get a welcom screen where I can choose the following available devices: -AGFA SNAPSCAN flatbedscanner [snapscan:/dev/usb/scanner0] -AGFA SNAPSCAN flatbedscanner [net:localhost:snapscan:/dev/usb/scanner0] I pick the first one and press OK. Now the welcom screen freezes and disappears after 4 minutes. (Second pick has same result) Result: still no configured scanner I'm lost here, any suggestions anybody? Thanks. Marco Sounds like a conflict to me. I think you have installed two drivers - one from the Agfa disk and one from the Mandrake install. If it were me, I would try getting rid of the stuff from the Agfa disk, then go back to Hardware List and run the config tool again. See if XSane runs it then. Anne Referring to http://snapscan.sourceforge.net/, you may or may not need the edit /etc/sane.d/snapscan.conf in respect of the firmware, but if you do you have edited it correctly. Next do cat /proc/bus/usb/devices and you should get something like this :- T: Bus=02 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 3 B: Alloc= 17/900 us ( 2%), #Int= 1, #Iso= 0 D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor= ProdID= Rev= 0.00 S: Product=USB OHCI Root Hub S: SerialNumber=d8934000 C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr= 0mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 2 Ivl=255ms T: Bus=02 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 2 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 1.00 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=06bd ProdID=2097 Rev= 1.00 S: Manufacturer=AGFA S: Product=SNAPSCAN C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr=100mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=usbscanner E: Ad=81(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 8 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 8 Ivl=16ms T: Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 3 B: Alloc= 0/900 us ( 0%), #Int= 0, #Iso= 0 D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor= ProdID= Rev= 0.00 make sure the lines P - I above are similar to yours, if they are not http://snapscan.sourceforge.net/ tells you what you need to do. http://www.poogle.co.uk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla problem
On 06 Jun 2003 22:05:17 -0400 Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 04:28, RichardA wrote: On 05 Jun 2003 18:29:37 -0400 Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 18:21, Femme wrote: lol i didn't notice till a few mins ago that it was loading Phoenix. Now called Firebird. Oops. Still... I can't get it to open links in new tabs...yet Phoenix is setup that way...or supposed to be. Ideas? :)-- Femme Don't you just add %s to the command? Richard The other thing I've noticed is that if i have a Firebird/Phoenix window open already, it uses that program to open a URL. If not, it uses mozilla...isn't there somewhere in Evo I can specify which program to open?! i'm in KDE btw...-- Femme *** *Using Evolution on * *Mandrake 9.1 Loving it!* *Suck it M$hit! OWNED! * *** I don't know why it would do that, only that Evo being a Gnome app, you want the Gnome Control Centre - but you knew that already. Richard -- Registered Linux user 246658 at http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla problem
On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 11:49 am, RichardA wrote: On 06 Jun 2003 22:05:17 -0400 Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 04:28, RichardA wrote: On 05 Jun 2003 18:29:37 -0400 I don't know why it would do that, only that Evo being a Gnome app, you want the Gnome Control Centre - but you knew that already. Richard As a matter of interest - how do you access the Gnome Control Center if you are in kde? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Recording Audio from Cassettes
On Saturday 07 June 2003 03:35 am, Richard Urwin wrote: On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 4:50 am, Dennis Myers wrote: As the subject implies, I am recording my old cassette tapes to make CDs. Some of them are nearing 22 years old and I don't want to lose them. I am using gramofile since I can't quite get audacity to record to harddrive. Now the question is, what's the best way to do this, do the record as a .wav and then burn as mp3s or record as mp3s and burn CDs as mp3s? I don't find any helpful guidelines as to what gives the best sound quality in the end. recording and burning as .WAV gives you: loss-less recording CDs you can play on any CD player recording as .MP3 gives you: smaller files, so fewer CDs required recording with good quality should be able to match the tape quality. you can only play the CDs on the computer or MP3-aware players. recording as .WAV and burning as .MP3 gives you the worst of both, but you may have more control over the MP3 quality. I would record as .WAV and then burn as an audio CD, one disc per tape, or per tape side. And is there a faster way to do the process than just play the tape and record? no Also be sure you mute system sounds, or they might appear on the recording. Thanks for the advice. This is a new adventure and I am finding that not only are some of my tapes wearing out but old stereo equipment is getting a bit old and cranky too. So this transfer may be just in time. It is going to take a couple of weeks of off and on work. Your advice is appreciated. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Samba PDC with Win2000 clients/Any help welcomed!!!
On Saturday 07 June 2003 12:22 am, Dimitris Ioannou wrote: A big Hello to the list... I'm facing this problem for about 1 week now. Trying to join the domain I created with Samba as a PDC for my 3 Win2000 clients. No joy. I've read much of the excellent documentation from Samba.org and other sites but, to tell the truth, I'm a bit confused..Having problem to correctly put the accounts needed in my Linbox so the Winclients can join the Samba domain...that's the one part. How to correctly set Samba to be a wins server to answer to netbios queries that's the second part... I have been trying to work on this too and have had my own trouble. I think some of the troiuble I was having is because clients on the domain need two accounts on the Samba server, a machine account and a user account. Did you come across that issue in any of the docs you have read. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] lm-sensors
On Friday 06 June 2003 09:37 pm, Femme wrote: Fair enough. I'll just cross my fingers then. Thanks for the in-depth info. get a temperature gun, aim Shoot @ the cpu. done deal. :D That'll work. :-) Don't know if anyone else mentioned this in this thread (if Tom B. did, I apologise), but on my Soyo Dragon MB, I have to let lmsensors use the ISA bus as well as the smbus. If I don't, I don't get all the temps/fans/voltages. -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Wheeeeee - cable modem madness! :-)
On Friday 06 June 2003 10:31 pm, Femme wrote: heh glad to see you got it going luv. :) I think its like the color-blind person who finally gets to see the rainbow! Did a full 299 meg update from Mandrake in no time flat. Never been able to do that before Life is good! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Startup progs
Derek Jennings wrote: On Friday 30 May 2003 9:03 am, Kalle Saarinen wrote: hello, I need to start my MySQL at boot time. I'm using runlevel 3 so I think that I have to create link from /etc/rc3.d to /init.d/mysql to start the daemon right? How do I create the link? Thanks -Kalle The simple way is run drakxservices and tick the box for 'start at boot' for mysql It will make links for run level 3 and 5 for you. Drakxservices works in GUI or command line modes. How does Drakxservices decide what services are available? If I download or write something that I want to have running in the background, is there a way I can tell Drazxservices that it exists? Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xine Tutorials
LeaAnne Kolp wrote: Hi all, I've been away for awhile but I wanted to tell ya that the Linux Tutorials are back up on my site if you need help with playing DVDs in Xine or help setting up PINE. More will be added, but those are all I have at the moment. Anyway, here's the link: http://www12.brinkster.com/cowgirlk/tdesk.asp Keep up the good work - How can I play DVDs in Linux? is top-of-the-FAQs (I waded through dozens of HOTOs some years ago, then gave up and bought a standalone DVD player). I didn't know people with double-barrelled first names (Leeanne, MaryJo, Billy-Bob etc.) could write tech stuff ;-) The salsa recipe looks good too, but what is cilantro? Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Window Maker
Hello list I live in Greece so when i installed Mandrake 9.1 i chose Greek as language. When i run Gnome and KDE i saw that it had Menus and all in Greek. When i started Window Maker 0.8 (i think) it had the menu with symbols. Do you know what must i do? Do you suggest to me to install Mandrake 9.1 again with English? Thanks Kostas Dimitriou http://gasdim.topcities.com (it is only in Greek) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M9.1 D4X resume problem
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Friday June 6 2003 09:50 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I have Mandrake's own prefered D4X downloader version 2.4.0 which I downloaded vis the M9.1 add new software programme. It installed fine and comes up to use in the normal way. Trouble is I cannot get the programme to reume a download that has been broken and reconnected to the net via kppp. Why ? In previous versions I either had a terminal come up with D4X or I put one up and typed nt -r enter to make it resume a failed download. It does not seem to work now in M9.1 Am I doing something wrong?, has something changed ? , or is this a bug ? John The server your d/l'g from has to support resume. Even with some servers that do, I've had to r-click on the file and choose resume. IMO, d4x use to be better. It's gotten too much user feedback, bells and whistles requests. IOW's over developed. Same damn thing is happen'n with pan. A developer's axiom, fixin a bug, or addin features, risk creatin more bugs ;( Too true I dare say, but in this instance the download address does support resume. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla problem
As a matter of interest - how do you access the Gnome Control Center if you are in kde? I went into menudrake, and set it to gnome, and found it to be: /usr/bin/gnome-control-center You get almost the same thing in Nautilus: go -- start here but it's a slower interface. eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] lm-sensors
On Saturday June 7 2003 08:21 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Don't know if anyone else mentioned this in this thread (if Tom B. did, I apologise), but on my Soyo Dragon MB, I have to let lmsensors use the ISA bus as well as the smbus. If I don't, I don't get all the temps/fans/voltages. Nothin to apologize for Ron ;) I passed over that issue by advising to just accept the default answers during 'sensors-detect'. I still think that's a good idea, at least to start with. I have a Soyo k7vta pro, and the default answer is ISA (Industry Standard Architecture). Another friend of mine has an Abit, and has to choose SMB (System Management Bus) over the default ISA. Yours is the first mention of havin to use both I've heard. It would seem to me you'd havt'a be usin one or the other? 'Bout the only sensors-detect oddity I get is both lm75 and lm80 modules are proposed. Either one works for my board. I've come to favor lm75. IIRC (which I probly don't ;), if I put 'em both in, only one gets loaded anyhow. rc.local has, modules.conf has, modprobe i2c-viapro alias char-major-89 i2c-dev modprobe i2c-isa # I2C chip drivers modprobe lm75 modprobe eeprom modprobe via686a -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla problem
On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 4:31 pm, eric huff wrote: As a matter of interest - how do you access the Gnome Control Center if you are in kde? I went into menudrake, and set it to gnome, and found it to be: /usr/bin/gnome-control-center You get almost the same thing in Nautilus: go -- start here but it's a slower interface. eric Thanks, Eric Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xine Tutorials
On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 2:14 am, LeaAnne Kolp wrote: Hi all, I've been away for awhile but I wanted to tell ya that the Linux Tutorials are back up on my site if you need help with playing DVDs in Xine or help setting up PINE. More will be added, but those are all I have at the moment. Anyway, here's the link: http://www12.brinkster.com/cowgirlk/tdesk.asp Hi, LeaAnne. How about adding that link to the community twiki newbie page? In case you haven't been there it's at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewbieFriendly In order to edit you first have to register as a user, then you can simply open the page for edit, put in your url with a few words of description, you will be given a preview, from which you can return to edit if you are not satisfied, then save. That's all there is to it. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Recording Audio from Cassettes
recording and burning as .WAV gives you: loss-less recording CDs you can play on any CD player I would record as .WAV and then burn as an audio CD, one disc per tape, or per tape side. Also be sure you mute system sounds, or they might appear on the recording. Reading in another email there was a reference to a recording engineer who was very impressed with the quality of the Ogg audio format. Here's the URL: http://desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5847717353.html I'll be looking into Ogg myself based on his experience and recommendation. The Other Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KMail and Importing Outlook Express 5 address lists
06/07/03 Hello All, Anyway to import Outlook Express 5 addresses into KMail? I exported the Outlook Express 5 address book as AddrBook.wab Can I now Import it into KMail? TIA The Other Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KMail and Importing Outlook Express 5 address lists
Export it as a csv text file (or someting like that). It was one of the text choices in outlook express (maybe version 6). Then, in kmail you can import it, and configure some stuff as you do. If you are like me, you'll do it a few times before you get all the outlook export choices set properly. On Sat June 7 2003 09:24 am, The Other wrote: 06/07/03 Hello All, Anyway to import Outlook Express 5 addresses into KMail? I exported the Outlook Express 5 address book as AddrBook.wab Can I now Import it into KMail? TIA The Other Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Recording Audio from Cassettes
On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 5:06 pm, The Other wrote: recording and burning as .WAV gives you: loss-less recording CDs you can play on any CD player I would record as .WAV and then burn as an audio CD, one disc per tape, or per tape side. Also be sure you mute system sounds, or they might appear on the recording. Reading in another email there was a reference to a recording engineer who was very impressed with the quality of the Ogg audio format. Here's the URL: http://desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5847717353.html I'll be looking into Ogg myself based on his experience and recommendation. The snag to ogg is that no hardware players exist for it yet. We are promised one sometime this year. I can't remember which manufacturer it was, but I have a printout of an article somewhere, in which it said that the manufacturer had teamed up with ahead.de, the Nero people, for software support. Try googling on that if you're interested. I fancied an mp3 player, but I'm waiting until the ogg player comes out. Anne The Other Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Ownership thing
Hi It must be a simple thing but still How can I make so that users can change the ownership of files that are resided in their own home directory and that are not owned by them Currently an user who issues 'chown' command to the file that is not owned by him only gets that operation is not permitted Kristjan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Suggestions for Money Managing program, must import Microsoft Money files
06/07/03 Hello All, I would like to migrate my Microsoft Money 95 files to Linux. I've already exported the files from Money 95 into the Quicken for Windows file format, .qif Suggestions on a comparable Linux program to Import those files? TIA The Other Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KMail and Importing Outlook Express 5 address lists
On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 5:24 pm, The Other wrote: 06/07/03 Hello All, Anyway to import Outlook Express 5 addresses into KMail? I exported the Outlook Express 5 address book as AddrBook.wab Can I now Import it into KMail? TIA The Other The version shipped with 9.1? The first option on Import is 'Import folders from Outlook Express 5. This will deal with your mail. KMail uses KAddressbook, which imports vcard or list. Eric suggested .csv, which should import under list. HTH Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Apache security
I read the Seven Deadly Sins of Linux security, and one item concerns me: On Toxen's don'ts list: Don't use PHP, even though it's convenient. Don't run DNS, auth (ident) or Apache as root. But, do use suEXEC, a tool first introduced in Apache 1.2, that increases security by allowing users to develop and run private CGI or SSI programs. I will look into suEXEC, but I see that on my server, httpd2 is run by apache, except for *one* httpd2 process that is run as root. Is that necessary, and if not, can I kill it? Also, why would PHP be a security risk? because it is executed on the server and not on the client's browser...? -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 13:24:09 up 4 days, 11:27, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.10, 0.09 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Suggestions for Money Managing program, must importMicrosoft Money files
On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:07:35 -0500 The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 06/07/03 Hello All, I would like to migrate my Microsoft Money 95 files to Linux. I've already exported the files from Money 95 into the Quicken for Windows file format, .qif Suggestions on a comparable Linux program to Import those files? TIA The Other Gnucash or Moneydance(not free) They will both import Quicken format files. (Maybe MSMoney too I am not sure) It depends on your needs, but I found both of them not quite good enough for my needs and use Quicken under Crossover Office. Derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ownership thing
On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:12:42 +0300 Kristjan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi It must be a simple thing but still How can I make so that users can change the ownership of files that are resided in their own home directory and that are not owned by them Currently an user who issues 'chown' command to the file that is not owned by him only gets that operation is not permitted Kristjan You cannot. If someone does not have write permission to a file, then regardless of where that file is they cannot change it. The question is really How come your users have files in their 'home' they do not own? Normally the user will have write access to anything in their home. derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ownership thing
On Saturday 07 June 2003 01:12 pm, Kristjan wrote: Hi It must be a simple thing but still How can I make so that users can change the ownership of files that are resided in their own home directory and that are not owned by them Currently an user who issues 'chown' command to the file that is not owned by him only gets that operation is not permitted You're right, interesting. I know that a user cannot create a file in a user directory other than their own unless you have some group thing set up. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/greg] $ touch testfile touch: cannot touch `testfile': Permission denied I also know that a user can manipulate a file in their own home directory even without ownership. In other words, if a file owned by root exists in my home, I can delete it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ ls -l testfile -rw-r--r--1 root root0 Jun 7 13:42 testfile [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ rm testfile rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `testfile'? y [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ ls testfile ls: testfile: No such file or directory Anybody know the answer to this? -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xine Tutorials
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 15:29, Robin Turner wrote: LeaAnne Kolp wrote: Hi all, I've been away for awhile but I wanted to tell ya that the Linux Tutorials are back up on my site if you need help with playing DVDs in Xine or help setting up PINE. More will be added, but those are all I have at the moment. Anyway, here's the link: http://www12.brinkster.com/cowgirlk/tdesk.asp Keep up the good work - How can I play DVDs in Linux? is top-of-the-FAQs (I waded through dozens of HOTOs some years ago, then gave up and bought a standalone DVD player). I didn't know people with double-barrelled first names (Leeanne, MaryJo, Billy-Bob etc.) could write tech stuff ;-) The salsa recipe looks good too, but what is cilantro? Sir Robin Coriander (leaf not seed) Paul M. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ownership thing
I also know that a user can manipulate a file in their own home directory even without ownership. In other words, if a file owned by root exists in my home, I can delete it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ ls -l testfile -rw-r--r--1 root root0 Jun 7 13:42 testfile [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ rm testfile rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `testfile'? y [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ ls testfile ls: testfile: No such file or directory Anybody know the answer to this? I believe that is because the dir is writable and executable. A workaround to chowning a file might be to copy it and delete the original... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ownership thing
On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 6:45 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 07 June 2003 01:12 pm, Kristjan wrote: Hi It must be a simple thing but still How can I make so that users can change the ownership of files that are resided in their own home directory and that are not owned by them Currently an user who issues 'chown' command to the file that is not owned by him only gets that operation is not permitted You're right, interesting. I know that a user cannot create a file in a user directory other than their own unless you have some group thing set up. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/greg] $ touch testfile touch: cannot touch `testfile': Permission denied I also know that a user can manipulate a file in their own home directory even without ownership. In other words, if a file owned by root exists in my home, I can delete it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ ls -l testfile -rw-r--r--1 root root0 Jun 7 13:42 testfile [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ rm testfile rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `testfile'? y [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ ls testfile ls: testfile: No such file or directory Anybody know the answer to this? Generally, you only need write access to the directory for any changes that are stored in the directory tables. So you can rename and delete files that you cannot write to. There was a workaround that you could do in 1980s Unices in that /etc was owned by Engineer, so if you lost the root password you could just mv the entire passwd file and create a new one. (Oops!) Since the owner and group are stored in the same tables I would expect that changing them would be possible. From playing around here it would seem that you cannot chgrp to or from a group that you are not in. By extension it would seem that chown works the same way. Strangely enough the documentation for chown makes no mention of this behavior. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Suspicious email supposedly from Newbie.
On Friday 06 June 2003 17:03, Anne Wilson wrote: Ooops - is he saying that he has been reading for two years? Did he get the virus and think it came from us? Anne Probably, he thinks Linux has no documentation... so it mst be true! and besides, who knows how many viruses does Lunix have?! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ownership thing
* Kristjan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030607 12:29]: How can I make so that users can change the ownership of files that are resided in their own home directory and that are not owned by them Currently an user who issues 'chown' command to the file that is not owned by him only gets that operation is not permitted Several others have responded already, but I'll give a try here ... hopefully it will become clearer. Ownership and permissions on a directory determine what can be done in that directory. If you have read permission, you can see the names of files. If you have write permission, you can create files or subdirectories in that directory, move files in or out, and delete files or subdirectories. If you have execute permission, you can traverse or descend down through the directory to see directories below it; if not you are blocked from subdirectories. Ownership and permissions on a file relate to the file itself, with no consideration for the directory. If you have read permission, you can read the file. If you have write permission, you can change it. If you have execute permission, you can execute it as a script or program. Only root can change the ownership of a file or directory. The owner of a file or directory can change its group ONLY if the owner is a member of the group being changed to. Applying these principles, as others have suggested, the non-root owner cannot change who owns the file. But if the file is not read-only, she can make a copy of it. The copy will then be owned by her. If she has write privileges in the directory, she can then delete the old file. When you start thinking the Unix way is actually fairly consistent (which it is) then you're One Of Us ;-) -- Jan Wilson, SysAdmin _/*]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corozal Junior College | |:' corozal.com corozal.bz Corozal Town, Belize | /' chetumal.com linux.bz Reg. Linux user #151611 |_/ Network, PHP, Perl, HTML Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Suspicious email supposedly from Newbie.
On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 7:39 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: On Friday 06 June 2003 17:03, Anne Wilson wrote: Ooops - is he saying that he has been reading for two years? Did he get the virus and think it came from us? Anne Probably, he thinks Linux has no documentation... so it mst be true! and besides, who knows how many viruses does Lunix have?! Well, it's your fault anyway g Well, you and Derek. Yours were the two names in the email g So it must be! Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Recording Audio from Cassettes
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 09:06, The Other wrote: recording and burning as .WAV gives you: loss-less recording CDs you can play on any CD player I would record as .WAV and then burn as an audio CD, one disc per tape, or per tape side. Also be sure you mute system sounds, or they might appear on the recording. Reading in another email there was a reference to a recording engineer who was very impressed with the quality of the Ogg audio format. Here's the URL: http://desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5847717353.html I'll be looking into Ogg myself based on his experience and recommendation. The Other __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Now if I could just get a small personal player that can handle Ogg Vorbis then I would be in Hog Heaven -- Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mini ITX form factor
-- Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone installed Mandrake on a mini ITX form factor board? I'm thinking the 800 Mhz with a 30 GB slim disk would fit in the radio slot on my Jeep real nice.(and I would be able to play any format wav Mp3 Ogg Vorbis etc. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla problem
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 22:46, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 11:49 am, RichardA wrote: On 06 Jun 2003 22:05:17 -0400 Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 04:28, RichardA wrote: On 05 Jun 2003 18:29:37 -0400 I don't know why it would do that, only that Evo being a Gnome app, you want the Gnome Control Centre - but you knew that already. Richard As a matter of interest - how do you access the Gnome Control Center if you are in kde? Anne Run: gnome-control-center -- Sun Jun 8 05:50:00 EST 2003 05:50:00 up 15:41, 4 users, load average: 0.77, 0.31, 0.20 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * IBM uses what I like to call the 'hole-in-the-ground technique' to destroy the competition. IBM digs a big HOLE in the ground and covers it with leaves. It then puts a big POT OF GOLD nearby. Then it gives the call, 'Hey, look at all this gold, get over here fast.' As soon as the competitor approaches the pot, he falls into the pit - John C. Dvorak Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Suspicious email supposedly from Newbie.
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 04:39, Damian Gatabria wrote: On Friday 06 June 2003 17:03, Anne Wilson wrote: Ooops - is he saying that he has been reading for two years? Did he get the virus and think it came from us? Anne Probably, he thinks Linux has no documentation... so it mst be true! and besides, who knows how many viruses does Lunix have?! 13. IN theory. -- Sun Jun 8 06:20:00 EST 2003 06:20:00 up 16:11, 3 users, load average: 0.07, 0.13, 0.17 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * 'Vetinari isn't mad.' 'Depends how you look at it. No one can be as sane as he is without being mad.' (Feet of Clay) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Scanner problem on mdk 9.1
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 12:07, Poogle wrote: Referring to http://snapscan.sourceforge.net/, you may or may not need the edit /etc/sane.d/snapscan.conf in respect of the firmware, but if you do you have edited it correctly. Next do cat /proc/bus/usb/devices and you should get something like this :- T: Bus=02 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 3 B: Alloc= 17/900 us ( 2%), #Int= 1, #Iso= 0 D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor= ProdID= Rev= 0.00 S: Product=USB OHCI Root Hub S: SerialNumber=d8934000 C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr= 0mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 2 Ivl=255ms T: Bus=02 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 2 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 1.00 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=06bd ProdID=2097 Rev= 1.00 S: Manufacturer=AGFA S: Product=SNAPSCAN C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr=100mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=usbscanner E: Ad=81(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 8 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 8 Ivl=16ms T: Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 3 B: Alloc= 0/900 us ( 0%), #Int= 0, #Iso= 0 D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor= ProdID= Rev= 0.00 make sure the lines P - I above are similar to yours, if they are not http://snapscan.sourceforge.net/ tells you what you need to do. http://www.poogle.co.uk When I do cat /proc/bus/usb/devices I get exactly that, except for the ProdID that is different from yours e26. My ProdID 0x208f is similar to that shown on http://snapscan.sourceforge.net/ so that part seems to be in order. Marco Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Suspicious email supposedly from Newbie.
On Saturday 07 June 2003 02:39 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: On Friday 06 June 2003 17:03, Anne Wilson wrote: Ooops - is he saying that he has been reading for two years? Did he get the virus and think it came from us? Anne Probably, he thinks Linux has no documentation... so it mst be true! and besides, who knows how many viruses does Lunix have?! Damian: Welcome back! So, how did you like Japan? -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ownership thing
You can use the Sticky Bit Read this article: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/admin-primer/ch-acctsgrps.html Steven --Extract-- setuid used only for applications, this permission indicates that the application runs as the owner of the file and not as the user executing the application. It is indicated by the character s in place of the x in the owner category. If the owner of the file does not have execution permissions, the S is capitalized. --set it with: chmod 4xxx dir/file-- setgid used primarily for applications, this permission indicates that the application runs as the group owning the file and not as the group executing the application. If applied to a directory, all files a user creates within the directory are owned by the group who owns the directory, rather than by the user's private group (see the chapter titled Users and Groups in Official Red Hat Linux Reference Guide for more about user private groups). It is indicated by the character s in place of the x in the group category. If the group owner of the file or directory does not have execution permissions, the S is capitalized. --set it with: chmod 2xxx dir/file-- sticky bit used primarily on directories, this bit dictates that a file created in the directory can be removed only by the user who created the file. it is indicated by the character t in place of the x in the everyone category. in Red Hat Linux the sticky bit is set by default on the /tmp/ directory for exactly this reason. --set it with: chmod 1xxx dir/file-- - On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 19:12, Kristjan wrote: Hi It must be a simple thing but still How can I make so that users can change the ownership of files that are resided in their own home directory and that are not owned by them Currently an user who issues 'chown' command to the file that is not owned by him only gets that operation is not permitted Kristjan __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] *Fast* file contents search tool?
Somebody scribbled about Re: Re[2]: [newbie] *Fast* file contents search tool? But do these searches use the slocate database, or are they just brute force, ' look at every file' type searches? Well, slocate is there to find file names really fast. Seems that the OP is rather interested in finding in files certain key words. slocate is a database of file *names*, not their contents. And if you're looking for a particular file name (foo.txt) that's the tool, otherwise it's back to using find ... | xargs grep to search for specific text. find/grep is pretty fast but what the OP might be interested in is an indexing tool, especially if there are many text files, which there seems to be. One tool, for example is glimpse. As an aside can we watch the subj lines? All these extra [2[ and stuff getting put in makes the posts scatter all through my inbox. derek -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Suspicious email supposedly from Newbie.
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 13:23, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 04:39, Damian Gatabria wrote: On Friday 06 June 2003 17:03, Anne Wilson wrote: Ooops - is he saying that he has been reading for two years? Did he get the virus and think it came from us? Anne Probably, he thinks Linux has no documentation... so it mst be true! and besides, who knows how many viruses does Lunix have?! 13. IN theory. In a way Linux is a virus-- when it infects you , you spend a lot of time alone with your computer, -- Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla problem
On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 9:16 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 22:46, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 11:49 am, RichardA wrote: On 06 Jun 2003 22:05:17 -0400 Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 04:28, RichardA wrote: On 05 Jun 2003 18:29:37 -0400 I don't know why it would do that, only that Evo being a Gnome app, you want the Gnome Control Centre - but you knew that already. Richard As a matter of interest - how do you access the Gnome Control Center if you are in kde? Anne Run: gnome-control-center Well, that should be hard to remember g Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Apache security
I think it's a little bit paranoia to say you may not run PHP. I find it weird CGI is OK, but PHP isn't... Both are dangerous for your system when they are not administered well. Apache has one parent-instance owned by root. The child-rpocesses are run from the account you specified. I wouldn't worry about that. A lot of security related issues depend on how you use your machine. Is it a webserver, or a personal desktop PC ? In the second case, do you have a permanent internet connection ? Is there a router or firewall in between ? ... Maybe you want to read some information about IPtables... ? Steven On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 19:31, JoeHill wrote: I read the Seven Deadly Sins of Linux security, and one item concerns me: On Toxen's don'ts list: Don't use PHP, even though it's convenient. Don't run DNS, auth (ident) or Apache as root. But, do use suEXEC, a tool first introduced in Apache 1.2, that increases security by allowing users to develop and run private CGI or SSI programs. I will look into suEXEC, but I see that on my server, httpd2 is run by apache, except for *one* httpd2 process that is run as root. Is that necessary, and if not, can I kill it? Also, why would PHP be a security risk? because it is executed on the server and not on the client's browser...? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Suspicious email supposedly from Newbie.
On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 10:03 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 13:23, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 04:39, Damian Gatabria wrote: On Friday 06 June 2003 17:03, Anne Wilson wrote: Ooops - is he saying that he has been reading for two years? Did he get the virus and think it came from us? Anne Probably, he thinks Linux has no documentation... so it mst be true! and besides, who knows how many viruses does Lunix have?! 13. IN theory. In a way Linux is a virus-- when it infects you , you spend a lot of time alone with your computer, My husband has been trying to disinfect me for ages - let's just hope he doesn't give up and go for delete g Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Suspicious email supposedly from Newbie.
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 20:39, Damian Gatabria wrote: On Friday 06 June 2003 17:03, Anne Wilson wrote: Ooops - is he saying that he has been reading for two years? Did he get the virus and think it came from us? Anne Probably, he thinks Linux has no documentation... so it mst be true! and besides, who knows how many viruses does Lunix have?! Just this morning, I was thinking: Argh, my stupid linux box! Until I realized (as always) I made the mistake, I messed up the file. Safemode or rescue disk, edit/restore file, reboot, and all worked well again. The first thing that went through my mind was this post, although I don't know exactly what it's all about... But I do know the weakest point in my linux box: myself. So maybe he needs something to blame for his own errors ? (actually, I do to, but I blame that one software company :-)) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: UK councils dump Windows for Linux
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 08:09, Robin Turner wrote: The kind of people who drink Earl Grey generally don't eat jellied eels, and vice versa - it's a class thing. Sir Robin Well, then this is revised: The Earl Grey drinkers that love scones and jam and The Guiness drinkers that love jellied eels - is that more Class correct? -- Sun Jun 8 08:15:01 EST 2003 08:15:01 up 18:06, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.06, 0.06 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * The vermine is a small black and white relative of the lemming, found in the cold Hublandish regions. Its skin is rare and highly valued, especially by the vermine itself; the selfish little bastard will do anything rather than let go of it. -- Discworld wildlife (Terry Pratchett, Sourcery) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
1) runs faster 2) takes up less hard drive space 3) takes less time to load on to your computer and you practically have everything you need without loading a lot of other programs on it 4) dont need to keep rebooting From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cody Harris Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can someone come up with a few good reasons to switch from XP to Linux? Someone wants to know the pros and cons and why he should switch. -Cody Harris ++ | Linux Rox My Sox! | | Check out HCHS! | | http://vectec.net | ++--+ | Proud to use Mandrake Linux 8.1 as a server. | | Not proud to use Windows as a primary server. | ++--+ | Registered Linux user #315598 | | Registered Linux Computer #200951 | | Wrote on a Windoze Computer :( | ++
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
That's a very personal matter... But I'll give you my quick top-5: (didn't think of it for a long time, so please don't take it too serious) First of all, M$ is about money, Linux is about quality and consumer/user-needs. Linux distro's and most of the applications are FREE! Windows is kinda standard, with a lot of different looks if you please, linux is about tweaking the system for your own desires. Windows is ordinar and almost everybody uses it, Linux is a challenge ;-) Portability of file-formats isn't a really big issue anymore. I managed to run M$Office, macromedia flash etc on my Linux-box, which I needed for school. While using Linux, it's very easy to learn how your computer works, while windows keeps those things hided (which is not a bad case for most users, but I find it rather annoying) On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 00:07, Cody Harris wrote: Can someone come up with a few good reasons to switch from XP to Linux? Someone wants to know the pros and cons and why he should switch. -Cody Harris ++ | Linux Rox My Sox! | | Check out HCHS!| | http://vectec.net | ++--+ | Proud to use Mandrake Linux 8.1 as a server. | | Not proud to use Windows as a primary server. | ++--+ | Registered Linux user #315598 | | Registered Linux Computer #200951 | | Wrote on a Windoze Computer :( | ++ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] lm-sensors
On Saturday 07 June 2003 11:40 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: I passed over that issue by advising to just accept the default answers during 'sensors-detect'. I still think that's a good idea, at least to start with. I have a Soyo k7vta pro, and the default answer is ISA (Industry Standard Architecture). Another friend of mine has an Abit, and has to choose SMB (System Management Bus) over the default ISA. Yours is the first mention of havin to use both I've heard. It would seem to me you'd havt'a be usin one or the other? 'Bout the only sensors-detect oddity I get is both lm75 and lm80 modules are proposed. Either one works for my board. I've come to favor lm75. IIRC (which I probly don't ;), if I put 'em both in, only one gets loaded anyhow. My mistake Tom, lmsensors asks you for a preference towards the end of its run and you do pick one or the other. If I pick smbus, I don't get temps or fans. ISA does give me all I need. rc.local has, modules.conf has, modprobe i2c-viapro alias char-major-89 i2c-dev modprobe i2c-isa # I2C chip drivers modprobe lm75 modprobe eeprom modprobe via686a Mine rc.local looks like this: # Settings for LMsensors # I2C adapter drivers modprobe i2c-viapro modprobe i2c-isa # I2C chip drivers modprobe adm1021 modprobe it87 and module.conf looks like this: alias char-major-89 i2c-dev options adm1021 ignore=0,0x4e Thanks! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 15:15, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 08:07, Cody Harris wrote: Can someone come up with a few good reasons to switch from XP to Linux? Someone wants to know the pros and cons and why he should switch. -Cody Harris 1.) Cost 2.) Support 3.) Security 4.) Control 5.) Stability 6.) Features 7.) Multifunctionality without overhead cost 8.) Performance 9.) Installation time 10.) Customisation ...just off the top of my head. also it exercises the brain cells -- Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
At 03:32 PM 6/7/2003 -0700, you wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 15:15, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 08:07, Cody Harris wrote: Can someone come up with a few good reasons to switch from XP to Linux? Someone wants to know the pros and cons and why he should switch. -Cody Harris 1.) Cost 2.) Support 3.) Security 4.) Control 5.) Stability 6.) Features 7.) Multifunctionality without overhead cost 8.) Performance 9.) Installation time 10.) Customisation ...just off the top of my head. also it exercises the brain cells True, but sometimes in the morning you don't want to excersize. lol. -- Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -Cody Harris ++ | Linux Rox My Sox! | | Check out HCHS! | | http://vectec.net | ++--+ | Proud to use Mandrake Linux 8.1 as a server. | | Not proud to use Windows as a primary server. | ++--+ | Registered Linux user #315598 | | Registered Linux Computer #200951 | | Wrote on a Windoze Computer :( | ++
Re: [newbie] Mini ITX form factor
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 14:33, JoeHill wrote: On 07 Jun 2003 12:39:25 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: a 30 GB slim disk would fit in the radio slot on my Jeep real nice. I would be most concerned about the bumps and vibrations inherant in driving and their effect on the HD. I would check into HD's that are built to be moved around, but even those, one good shock and yer toast, AFAIK. -- Possibly use flash memory as a HDD (say 1GB Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 00:18, walt wrote: 1) runs faster 2) takes up less hard drive space 3) takes less time to load on to your computer and you practically have everything you need without loading a lot of other programs on it 4) dont need to keep rebooting I knew I should have said other things :-) Really nice answer is this. And.. I want to correct my previous mail. (pressed 'send' too quickly as usual). I wrote: Portability of file-formats isn't a really big issue anymore. I managed to run M$Office, macromedia flash etc on my Linux-box, which I needed for school. and I meant: People are working hard on projects like OpenOffice to display word-documents and others correctly. Even if you need windows-applications like Flash, there are possibilities. again, Steven Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KMail and Importing Outlook Express 5 address lists
At 11:24 AM 6/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: 06/07/03 Hello All, Anyway to import Outlook Express 5 addresses into KMail? I exported the Outlook Express 5 address book as AddrBook.wab Can I now Import it into KMail? TIA The Other Export your address book in whatever normal format Outsucks uses. Import using Nutscrape in WINDOWS ONLY! DO NOT do that in linux. Copy the the file that Nutscrape Exports (after importing the outlook files) to a FAT32 partition or diskette or cdrom or whatever you can use to read it from Linux. Import this Netscrape file using Kmail. Done deal. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Suggestions for Money Managing program, must import Microsoft Money files
At 12:07 PM 6/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: 06/07/03 Hello All, I would like to migrate my Microsoft Money 95 files to Linux. I've already exported the files from Money 95 into the Quicken for Windows file format, .qif Suggestions on a comparable Linux program to Import those files? TIA The Other GnuCash. On the cd's. Don't try to install it from their website, even if it is updated. Teh dev team admits its a bitch to install. MDK has the smoothest install ever. Need more help email me offline. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KMail and Importing Outlook Express 5 address lists
At 06:07 PM 6/7/2003 +0100, you wrote: On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 5:24 pm, The Other wrote: 06/07/03 Hello All, Anyway to import Outlook Express 5 addresses into KMail? I exported the Outlook Express 5 address book as AddrBook.wab Can I now Import it into KMail? TIA The Other Forgot to add, when exporting using Netscape, use teh Compressed folders option if you don't want Trash files. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Recording Audio from Cassettes
At 06:03 PM 6/7/2003 +0100, you wrote: snip The snag to ogg is that no hardware players exist for it yet. We are promised one sometime this year. I can't remember which manufacturer it was, but I have a printout of an article somewhere, in which it said that the manufacturer had teamed up with ahead.de, the Nero people, for software support. Try googling on that if you're interested. I fancied an mp3 player, but I'm waiting until the ogg player comes out. Anne There is ONE Ogg player. It sucks Is proprietary. Read it in Maximum PC about 3 months back when I was on morphine...so my timeline may be pooched. Forgive me. :( I do remember that it sucks ... they gave it a 5 or 6 out of 10. Bleahplus it had issues of some sort I don't remember what else. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HIJACKED: Linux viruses
On 08 Jun 2003 08:13:07 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Look, spend some time in READING about linux/unix viruses/trojans. Use that tiny bit of grey matter I reckon you still have to digest what is said in the documentation. You'll start to understand not only the differences in between the engines necessary to damage a unix/linux box, but the difficulties that are inherently there as well. I gotta start making my sarcasm more obvious... -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 18:51:08 up 4 days, 16:54, 4 users, load average: 0.06, 0.03, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] DSL
On June 1, 2003 01:42 pm, JoeHill wrote: On 02 Jun 2003 06:32:28 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: What kinda modem ya getting? Some providers give you a modem-connection-sharing-NAT thing all in one?! Now that I have the reply working right :-) BEWARE of those all in one NAT thingies. The vast majority of them will install on any OS, which is nice. However almost all of them have funky, crappy brute force built in firewalls that will screw just about anything you can think of up. Tell the phone company (or cable company for that matter who use a slightly modified version of the same thing) to bring out a nice, simple modem that does not contain a firewall or, if they insist on a NAT thingie insist that they disable the firewall before installation. (Has had to do more than enough repair calls on just this problem. :-) ) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: UK councils dump Windows for Linux
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 08:09, Robin Turner wrote: The kind of people who drink Earl Grey generally don't eat jellied eels, and vice versa - it's a class thing. Sir Robin Well, then this is revised: The Earl Grey drinkers that love scones and jam and The Guiness drinkers that love jellied eels - is that more Class correct? Yep, that's pretty much it. Personally, I've never scene a jellied eel in my life, but that's not a class thing, it's that eels are a southern dish, as far as I can tell. Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
Steven Broos wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 00:18, walt wrote: 1) runs faster Questionable.Depending on how your Linux system is set up (services, wm etc.), XP may well run faster. 2) takes up less hard drive space Again, that depends on your system. 3) takes less time to load on to your computer and you practically have everything you need without loading a lot of other programs on it Definitely. I reinstalled Windows recently, and after breathing a sigh of relief when it finally installed correctly, I groaned as I realised that I then had to install a load of other stuff if I actually wanted it to do anything. 4) dont need to keep rebooting 5) Doesn't have a EULA which gives some company the right to inspect and alter the contents of your hard disk. 6) Doesn't contain spyware. Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
On Saturday 07 June 2003 05:07 pm, Cody Harris wrote: Can someone come up with a few good reasons to switch from XP to Linux? Someone wants to know the pros and cons and why he should switch. -Cody Harris 06/07/03 1. My current system was designed from components I selected in the Spring of 1998. At that time Win98 wasn't out yet, or if it was I didn't have the $100+ to upgrade to it. I did get a copy of Windows NT 4.0 for the ability to run programs in their own space, so that one crashing app wouldn't take down the entire machine. How many flavors of Windows have been released since 1998? Take that number and multiply by $100+ to keep your Operating System current. I spent $80 for Mandrake 9.1 Power Pack, and I've already got it set up to keep the Operating System current from free downloads on the Internet. How much will that save me over the next 5 years if I had stayed with Windows? 2. I have no hard evidence to support this theory, but my gut tells me that the hardware drivers in Linux are tighter code than in Windows. Linux drivers seem to offer better performance than the comparable Windows driver. I speculate this might be because Linux is not a profit driven Operating System. This is significant. The driver writers are not faced with production deadlines. This allows them to take their time, test extensively, and tweak the code to the ninth degree. As a result the code is smaller and more efficient with less logic errors (bugs). I also speculate the Linux driver coders are doing it out of a labor of love. They have the hardware and they want Linux to be able to talk to it. 3. From my very brief look into the Linux world and the Open ?Source? concept, the documentation for the kernel and the drivers are made public to everyone. This allows talented programmers from around the world to develop code that will integrate with another's code. It's a worldwide community of programmers all following the same development guidelines. The final code versions should be very stable given the thousands of users/testers. Windows will never have the ability to have this amount of extensive testing. Summarizing my main selling points are: 1) Linux code is better, and 2) the Linux price is better. However, if you are dealing with computer illiterate people, a version of Windows is probably better since Windows development has evolved to make a desktop that is as human proof as possible. The Other Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Original .conf files?
Hello, As a complete newbie, I didn't realize the value of the comments in the original conf files, and didn't know that the various setup programs would overwrite so many of the comments. It would be nice to see all the originals. Is there a place on the install disks where these are stored? At first glance, it seems as though these are 'installed' via rpms - if so, wouldn't this overwrite the ones I have now? How can I get copies of the originals, which I would rename as .orig, of course. -- Best regards, rikona mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] In a fix with Postfix
Can anyone tell me how I can configure postfix so that it only sends mail to one user (i.e. me)? The man page confused the hell out of me. Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HIJACKED: Linux viruses
On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:42:18 -0600 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: sorry joe i don' tbuy that. Hehe... i read alot of security focus articles and well call me totally tinfoil hat paranoid but i tend to believe linux can be just as vulnerable to virii as winsux. Theoretically, yes. But that's like saying because it's theoretically possible to break into a bank vault, then that bank vault is just as vulnerable as my house. For a virus to be effective, it requires a certain environment, and that environment simply does not exist under Linux. This is according to current definitions of what a virus *is*, of course, but as Stephen pointed out, lotsa people *have* tried to code virii that will automatically infect a Linux box, but have never had much success. Those Sec Foc reports are fatally flawed in one main respect: they count any free or open source platform as Linux, even though there may be third party software involved (ie. non-Linux). But they also give every exploit equal weight, when any security expert will tell you that the actual or potential threat varies between exploits. Windows is not built to be secure, Linux is. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 20:20:49 up 4 days, 18:24, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
At 07:44 PM 6/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Saturday 07 June 2003 05:07 pm, Cody Harris wrote: Can someone come up with a few good reasons to switch from XP to Linux? Someone wants to know the pros and cons and why he should switch. -Cody Harris 06/07/03 1. My current system was designed from components I selected in the Spring of 1998. At that time Win98 wasn't out yet, or if it was I didn't have the $100+ to upgrade to it. I did get a copy of Windows NT 4.0 for the ability to run programs in their own space, so that one crashing app wouldn't take down the entire machine. How many flavors of Windows have been released since 1998? Take that number and multiply by $100+ to keep your Operating System current. I spent $80 for Mandrake 9.1 Power Pack, and I've already got it set up to keep the Operating System current from free downloads on the Internet. How much will that save me over the next 5 years if I had stayed with Windows? 2. I have no hard evidence to support this theory, but my gut tells me that the hardware drivers in Linux are tighter code than in Windows. Linux drivers seem to offer better performance than the comparable Windows driver. I speculate this might be because Linux is not a profit driven Operating System. This is significant. The driver writers are not faced with production deadlines. This allows them to take their time, test extensively, and tweak the code to the ninth degree. As a result the code is smaller and more efficient with less logic errors (bugs). I also speculate the Linux driver coders are doing it out of a labor of love. They have the hardware and they want Linux to be able to talk to it. 3. From my very brief look into the Linux world and the Open ?Source? concept, the documentation for the kernel and the drivers are made public to everyone. This allows talented programmers from around the world to develop code that will integrate with another's code. It's a worldwide community of programmers all following the same development guidelines. The final code versions should be very stable given the thousands of users/testers. Windows will never have the ability to have this amount of extensive testing. Summarizing my main selling points are: 1) Linux code is better, and 2) the Linux price is better. However, if you are dealing with computer illiterate people, a version of Windows is probably better since Windows development has evolved to make a desktop that is as human proof as possible. I think that's where someone should step in and make it usable to the average non-computer literate person. It took my awhile to learn how to do things. I think that could be solved with a little more automation and not painstakingly doing everything. urpmi(sp?) is great, but what about someone that doesn't know about it? Windows update if good because it says: Here's a list of crap that we think will make your computer better. Even if it doesn't help. Of course, i'm saying this from experiance, so i'm most likly wrong. How many of you that have had wives that didn't know how to use the thing? PS: Sorry about spelling. The Other Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -Cody Harris ++ | Linux Rox My Sox! | | Check out HCHS! | | http://vectec.net | ++--+ | Proud to use Mandrake Linux 8.1 as a server. | | Not proud to use Windows as a primary server. | ++--+ | Registered Linux user #315598 | | Registered Linux Computer #200951 | | Wrote on a Windoze Computer :( | ++
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 15:53, JoeHill wrote: On 08 Jun 2003 08:15:25 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: 1.) Cost 2.) Support 3.) Security 4.) Control 5.) Stability 6.) Features 7.) Multifunctionality without overhead cost 8.) Performance 9.) Installation time 10.) Customisation 11.) Comes with 3 GB of pr0n. You must be running the D.O.M (Dirty Old Man ) Edition where can I get it? -- Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] DVD playing fits!
Trying to play a dvd from the library on 9.1 with vlc and get the picture but no sound. after fiddling with the sound through the preferences menu, still no go. Xine: crashes. Mplayer: no audio every other one: won't even start with ogle I get the following from the term: snip libdvdread: Elapsed time 3 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: _new stream bf, 0 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: _new stream e0, 0 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: Started /usr/lib/ogle/ogle_mpeg_vs with pid 9963 Debug[ogle_mpeg_vs]: Using MMX accelerated media functions ## video_stream:req cap Debug[ogle_ctrl]: _new stream bd, 80 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: Started /usr/lib/ogle/ogle_audio with pid 9964 video_dec: shmid: 71893014 video_dec: data_buf shmid: 71827476 ## video_stream:got cap and stream vs: get ouput buffer Debug[ogle_ctrl]: got capability video_out horizontal_size: 720, vertical_size: 480 padded_width: 720, padded_height: 480 frame rate: 3/1001 (29.97) *vs: offset not valid decode: B-frame before forward ref frame *vs: offset not valid No accelerated IMDCT transform found Debug[ogle_audio]: decode_a52: found sync Note[ogle_audio]: Using audio driver 'alsa' [ogle_alsa]: Opening device: default decode: B-frame before forward ref frame *vs: offset not valid ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:866:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy [ogle_alsa]: error while opening alsa. : Device or resource busy FATAL[ogle_audio]: failed opening the alsa audio driver at default Debug[ogle_ctrl]: child: 9964 exited with 1 I've installed everything remotely related to DVDs. any suggestions? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] In a fix with Postfix
On Sunday 08 Jun 2003 1:55 am, Robin Turner wrote: Can anyone tell me how I can configure postfix so that it only sends mail to one user (i.e. me)? The man page confused the hell out of me. Sir Robin In Postfix you can define aliases. Edit the file /etc/postfix/aliases It is required that root should have an alias so that any mail that arrives for an unknown user will go to root, and will be forwarded to a real user. After editing the file run postalias /etc/postfix/aliases to create the alias database. As usual there is lots of useful info in the config files especially /etc/postfix/main.cf If you are using fetchmail, it is also possible to define the local user a remote account belongs to. HTH derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] CD drive paths messed up
I am assuming a recent upgrade of KDE from 3.1 to 3.1.2 may have caused some undesired changes. Before the desktop shorcuts for my CD drive and CD-RW drive functioned as expected, CD players saw CD's in my drive, abcde ripped and encoded CDs placed in the CD drive, etc. Now, these shortcuts no longer work and point to nothing. HardDrake has the drives identified as /dev/hdd (CD drive) and /dev/scd0 (CD-RW). I never really had to reference the devfs device names. Also, file managers say I (as a user) do not have permission anymore to these devices. AAHHH!! What is the most effective way to fix this? I'd like to easily play CD's again and use abcde. Here is my fstab. I would assume changes should be made here?: /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 /dev/hda6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/cd /mnt/cdrecorder auto ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0 none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0 none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/hdd,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850 0 0 none /mnt/zip supermount dev=/dev/sda4,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 Thanks in advance for any assistance! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] cannot remove files
mdk 9.1 and reiserfs I tried to compile gtk+ and failed, so I decided to remove the extracted source files folder, but this appeared: [EMAIL PROTECTED] install]# rm -rf gtk+-2.2.1/ rm: cannot remove gtk+-2.2.1//docs/reference/gtk/xml/gtkscrolledwindow.xml: Permission denied rm: cannot remove gtk+-2.2.1//docs/reference/gtk/xml/gtkselection.xml: Permission denied rm: cannot remove gtk+-2.2.1//docs/reference/gtk/xml/gtkruler.xml: Permission denied rm: cannot remove gtk+-2.2.1//docs/reference/gtk/xml/gtkscale.xml: Permission denied rm: cannot remove gtk+-2.2.1//docs/reference/gtk/xml/gtkseparatormenuitem.xml: Permission denied rm: cannot remove gtk+-2.2.1//docs/reference/gtk/xml/gtkscrollbar.xml: Permission denied And I can't even chmod and ls these files, so I don't know how to deal with them. I need help, and great thanks in advance. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Original .conf files?
On Saturday 07 June 2003 08:49 pm, rikona wrote: Hello, As a complete newbie, I didn't realize the value of the comments in the original conf files, and didn't know that the various setup programs would overwrite so many of the comments. It would be nice to see all the originals. Is there a place on the install disks where these are stored? At first glance, it seems as though these are 'installed' via rpms - if so, wouldn't this overwrite the ones I have now? How can I get copies of the originals, which I would rename as .orig, of course. If you know the package names, you can probably extract them from the original packages. I think the relevant command is cpio or something liek that, but I am not that familiar with it. You have stumbled upon a reason why so many experts choose to config by hand editing the files and storing lots of info in comments about why certain things are set the way they are. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ownership thing
This is a desirable security feature. But as mentioned if you $ cp source foo $ rm source $ mv foo source user now owns source. On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 06:12, Richard Urwin wrote: On Saturday 07 Jun 2003 6:45 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 07 June 2003 01:12 pm, Kristjan wrote: Hi It must be a simple thing but still How can I make so that users can change the ownership of files that are resided in their own home directory and that are not owned by them Currently an user who issues 'chown' command to the file that is not owned by him only gets that operation is not permitted You're right, interesting. I know that a user cannot create a file in a user directory other than their own unless you have some group thing set up. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/greg] $ touch testfile touch: cannot touch `testfile': Permission denied I also know that a user can manipulate a file in their own home directory even without ownership. In other words, if a file owned by root exists in my home, I can delete it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ ls -l testfile -rw-r--r--1 root root0 Jun 7 13:42 testfile [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ rm testfile rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `testfile'? y [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ ls testfile ls: testfile: No such file or directory Anybody know the answer to this? Generally, you only need write access to the directory for any changes that are stored in the directory tables. So you can rename and delete files that you cannot write to. There was a workaround that you could do in 1980s Unices in that /etc was owned by Engineer, so if you lost the root password you could just mv the entire passwd file and create a new one. (Oops!) Since the owner and group are stored in the same tables I would expect that changing them would be possible. From playing around here it would seem that you cannot chgrp to or from a group that you are not in. By extension it would seem that chown works the same way. Strangely enough the documentation for chown makes no mention of this behavior. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 08:33, Cody Harris wrote: True, but sometimes in the morning you don't want to excersize. lol. I have several different logins to my system. I have a desktop/window manager environment for JUST DOING. It works, it's already setup and tweaked to my liking, I think of nothing when I login to that account - I just DO, I just PRINT, I just COMPOSE or do what I want for enjoyment or entertainment or whatever. I have another login for testing/tweaking/breaking fixing. Needs no explaining. I have yet another account for doing support work for my clients and for administering my system. I have yet another account for TEST security and generally mucking around. My level of thinking depends on what login I use (or SU to). My applications all work, my fave desktop is setup and runs without hassle, it's ergonomically tweaked to my particular liking and my particular mood of computing. It's clean, it shows me only the information I want to know/need to know. I get up at 4 a.m. every day to start my work day. I don't think until the kids are in school (after 9 a.m.). I don't want to bother with downloading virus definitions, running virus scans, rebooting, checking for spyware, running registry checks and checking log files to see what's been beating at my firewall. The computer stays live 24/7 and I hate rebooting unless I either have to, or the electricity cuts out. I refuse to use WinXP or Win2k any more because there's always too much shit to deal with when I simply want to do email and surf. I certainly don't like the world knowing what I'm doing when I'm either doing my email or surfing. Yet another reason to live in my happy linux world. If I have to think about something, then it's done for me, by me, and for a reason. Otherwise, as my wife is learning, things can run more than smoothly, and can be simpler than a Mac if the need is there. She REFUSES to think about what she's doing when she's plugging away at things - and now that she's had a taste, she reckons it's just like OSX, only that she can configure things moreso per HER tastes. She IS NOT computer literate, mind you. -- Sun Jun 8 13:35:00 EST 2003 13:35:00 up 23:26, 3 users, load average: 0.30, 0.09, 0.02 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * momentum, n.: What you give a person when they are going away. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HIJACKED: Linux viruses
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 08:51, JoeHill wrote: I gotta start making my sarcasm more obvious... You live in Canada. You're not allowed to be sarcastic. -- Sun Jun 8 13:45:00 EST 2003 13:45:00 up 23:36, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.12, 0.07 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Mulder: They're here, aren't they? Deep Throat: Mr Mulder, they've been here for a long, long time. The X-Files: Deep Throat Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 08:53, JoeHill wrote: On 08 Jun 2003 08:15:25 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: 1.) Cost 2.) Support 3.) Security 4.) Control 5.) Stability 6.) Features 7.) Multifunctionality without overhead cost 8.) Performance 9.) Installation time 10.) Customisation 11.) Comes with 3 GB of pr0n. Damn. I KNEW I should have ordered the PowerPack...now I know what's on all those other CD's and DVD's...damn damn damn... -- Sun Jun 8 13:45:00 EST 2003 13:45:00 up 23:36, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.12, 0.07 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Mulder: They're here, aren't they? Deep Throat: Mr Mulder, they've been here for a long, long time. The X-Files: Deep Throat Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla problem
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 09:01, FemmeFatale wrote: Ty Eric Stephen... knew you were good for something both of you. *Ducks fast!* :D - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt I KNOW I'm good for SOMETHING. My wife tells me I make a great hat rack. -- Sun Jun 8 13:50:00 EST 2003 13:50:00 up 23:41, 3 users, load average: 0.15, 0.13, 0.08 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Leela: Hey, you know what might be a hoot? Professor: No. Why would I know that? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:44:49 -0500 The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 07 June 2003 05:07 pm, Cody Harris wrote: Can someone come up with a few good reasons to switch from XP to Linux? Someone wants to know the pros and cons and why he should switch. -Cody Harris 06/07/03 1. My current system was designed from components I selected in the Spring of 1998. At that time Win98 wasn't out yet, or if it was I didn't have the $100+ to upgrade to it. I did get a copy of Windows NT 4.0 for the ability to run programs in their own space, so that one crashing app wouldn't take down the entire machine. How many flavors of Windows have been released since 1998? Take that number and multiply by $100+ to keep your Operating System current. I spent $80 for Mandrake 9.1 Power Pack, and I've already got it set up to keep the Operating System current from free downloads on the Internet. How much will that save me over the next 5 years if I had stayed with Windows? 2. I have no hard evidence to support this theory, but my gut tells me that the hardware drivers in Linux are tighter code than in Windows. Linux drivers seem to offer better performance than the comparable Windows driver. I speculate this might be because Linux is not a profit driven Operating System. This is significant. The driver writers are not faced with production deadlines. This allows them to take their time, test extensively, and tweak the code to the ninth degree. As a result the code is smaller and more efficient with less logic errors (bugs). I also speculate the Linux driver coders are doing it out of a labor of love. They have the hardware and they want Linux to be able to talk to it. 3. From my very brief look into the Linux world and the Open ?Source? concept, the documentation for the kernel and the drivers are made public to everyone. This allows talented programmers from around the world to develop code that will integrate with another's code. It's a worldwide community of programmers all following the same development guidelines. The final code versions should be very stable given the thousands of users/testers. Windows will never have the ability to have this amount of extensive testing. Summarizing my main selling points are: 1) Linux code is better, and 2) the Linux price is better. However, if you are dealing with computer illiterate people, a version of Windows is probably better since Windows development has evolved to make a desktop that is as human proof as possible. The Other Except to virus-writers. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Suggestions for Money Managing program, must import Microsoft Money files
On Saturday 07 June 2003 10:07 am, The Other wrote: 06/07/03 Hello All, I would like to migrate my Microsoft Money 95 files to Linux. I've already exported the files from Money 95 into the Quicken for Windows file format, .qif Suggestions on a comparable Linux program to Import those files? Check out Moneydance. I have been using it since 1999 (when it was v2.4). I have been very pleased with it. http://www.moneydance.com Barry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] cannot remove files
Put gtk+-2.2.1 in quotes and it'll work. Miark On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 06:21:13 -0400 V.X. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mdk 9.1 and reiserfs I tried to compile gtk+ and failed, so I decided to remove the extracted source files folder, but this appeared: [EMAIL PROTECTED] install]# rm -rf gtk+-2.2.1/ rm: cannot remove _gtk+-2.2.1//docs/reference/gtk/xml/gtkscrolledwindow.xml_: Permission denied rm: cannot remove _gtk+-2.2.1//docs/reference/gtk/xml/gtkselection.xml_: Permission denied rm: cannot remove _gtk+-2.2.1//docs/reference/gtk/xml/gtkruler.xml_: Permission denied rm: cannot remove _gtk+-2.2.1//docs/reference/gtk/xml/gtkscale.xml_: Permission denied rm: cannot remove _gtk+-2.2.1//docs/reference/gtk/xml/gtkseparatormenuitem.xml_: Permission denied rm: cannot remove _gtk+-2.2.1//docs/reference/gtk/xml/gtkscrollbar.xml_: Permission denied And I can't even chmod and ls these files, so I don't know how to deal with them. I need help, and great thanks in advance. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] disc3
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 09:23, DrewMartin wrote: Hi All, I have the 2 disc download version of 9.1.What is the advantages/disadvantages of the 3rd disc? Drew Three is more than two. (g) (Nah, on the third CD you have other languages, a few other proggies, and heaps of pr0n) -- Sun Jun 8 14:50:00 EST 2003 14:50:00 up 1 day, 41 min, 3 users, load average: 0.12, 0.07, 0.01 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * It BASICally Sucks Older versions of MS-DOS came with bundled programming languages including GW-BASIC and QBasic. Windows XP continues the Microsoft tradition of ruining budding programmers with horrible programming tools by including XPBasic, an interpreted language in which all of the customary BASIC keywords have been replaced with advertising slogans. Nike has paid a handsome amount to Microsoft for keyword rights. Instead of saying PRINT HELLO WORLD, XPBasic programmers must now type JUST DO IT HELLO WORLD. Other common XPBasic statements include WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GOTO 20 TODAY? and DIM ARRAY(1 TO 20) AS INTEGER BROUGHT TO YOU BY VERIZON WIRELESS. -- from Humorix's review of Windows XP (eXceptionally Pathetic) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: UK councils dump Windows for Linux
On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 01:09:35 +0300 Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: Please don't think that I spend much time thinking about or researching what happens in Pommieland, but this was irresistible !!! http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2135726,00.html (Save heaps of money on software so they can spend more money on Earl Grey and jellied eels, perchance?)(grin) The kind of people who drink Earl Grey generally don't eat jellied eels, and vice versa - it's a class thing. Sir Robin I love Earl Grey, but I hate sea food. What class am I? Miark (running for cover) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: UK councils dump Windows for Linux
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 10:38, Robin Turner wrote: Yep, that's pretty much it. Personally, I've never scene a jellied eel in my life, but that's not a class thing, it's that eels are a southern dish, as far as I can tell. Sir Robin But it should go without saying that you have, at least, SOME class, correct? (g) -- Sun Jun 8 15:00:01 EST 2003 15:00:01 up 1 day, 51 min, 3 users, load average: 0.20, 0.23, 0.11 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Real World, The, n.: 1. In programming, those institutions at which programming may be used in the same sentence as FORTRAN, COBOL, RPG, IBM, etc. 2. To programmers, the location of non-programmers and activities not related to programming. 3. A universe in which the standard dress is shirt and tie and in which a person's working hours are defined as 9 to 5. 4. The location of the status quo. 5. Anywhere outside a university. Poor fellow, he's left MIT and gone into the real world. Used pejoratively by those not in residence there. In conversation, talking of someone who has entered the real world is not unlike talking about a deceased person. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
