Re: [newbie] What Does The Document Contains No Data Mean?
Stephen Reynolds wrote: On one of my machines running MDK 10.1, Mozilla regularly reports The Document Contains No Data when interacting with html forms. Why does Mozilla do this? This is a feature which goes right back to th early Netscape days. What it usually means is that there was a timeout connecting to the server, meaning you have to resend your data. A less cryptic error message would have been a good idea. Sir Robin -- The other major kind of computer is the Apple, which I do not recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you basically just plug in and use. - Dave Barry Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] rpmbuild
John Richard Smith wrote: David E. Fox wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:04:12 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See snapshot386.png I cut it in half to reduce the image size, but the result as you can see is what I got in my browser from your above url. Mozilla should have spotted that as a binary file, and offered you the choice of saving it to disk. That's what I thought, eventually. I twigged it was actually a download window, with a slider bar that eventually showed up in the mozilla window own slider bar , itself, rather in a seperate download window which it normally does. I put that down to some problem with the download site rather than mozilla itself which as I say normally does hand over to the download window setup. But I've seen that too when using mozilla. Have you tried reloading the URL on the location bar? No, I didn't think to do that, actually I copied and pasted the url to d4x and a new download and it completed the job. At least doing that popped up the Save as dialog box. Yes, that was what was missing. And if you see a URL beginning with ftp:// the best thing to do is copy paste the url into a command line starting with 'ncftp'. Install ncftp if you haven't already done so, because it's got to be the #1 text-mode ftp client out there. It's on the DL edition, probably disk 2 or 3. So what's this ncftp NC means ? Now copy ? ]# rpm -qa | grep ncftp ]# Ha, ftp://216.254.0.38/linux/Mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS/ncftp-3.1.6-0.1.92mdk.i586.rpm does it again, it's downloading something but where to? I'm going to stop it, and use d4x though , don't have to search for a dl directory. So lets find out about it, name ncftp summary An improved FTP client version 3.1.6 -0.1.92mdk group Networking/File transfer size 957063 description Ncftp is an improved FTP client. Ncftp's improvements include support for command line editing, command histories, recursive gets, automatic anonymous logins and more. It went on easy, not fuss, Lets see now, what does it do ? Same result though . somehow I think your supposed to do something else with it ? cd to the directory you want before you start ncftp, or within ncftp use the lcd command to change the local directory. AFAIK you can't ncftp to a file, only a directory: once you're logged in you use the get or mget commands (the latter is if you want regular expressions e.g. mget *.rpm). Sir Robin -- The other major kind of computer is the Apple, which I do not recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you basically just plug in and use. - Dave Barry Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpmbuild
Greg Meyer wrote:
On Thursday 19 February 2004 04:41 pm, robin wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good guide to rpmbuild (along the lines of the
old Mandrake RPM HOWTO)? In particular I need information on building
RPMs from source tarballs.
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/RpmHowTo
That's the guide I mentioned, which uses the old rpm command rather than
rpmbuild.
Here's something I received from a LyX developer which could be adapted
to other tarballs:
Take the tarball, put it into /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES
put the spec file in /usr/src/redhat/SPECS and add latex-xft-fonts as a
dependency. Put lyx.xpm in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/
cd /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/
rpmbuild -ba lyx.spec
RPMs are in /usr/src/redhat/{S}RPMS
Of course a lot of source tarballs won't have spec files, so you can
have fun making your own dependency lists ;-)
Sir Robin
--
The other major kind of computer is the Apple, which I do not
recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you
basically just plug in and use. - Dave Barry
Robin Turner
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Re: [newbie] Samba 3
Paul Kaplan wrote: Try the samba mailing lists @ samba.org. A very helpful group. Thanks, I'll check them out (nothing came up in a search of the archives). Sir Robin -- The other major kind of computer is the Apple, which I do not recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you basically just plug in and use. - Dave Barry Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Audigy sound cards
Does anyone know if the kernel shipped with 9.2 contains drivers for Audigy 2 / Platinum soundcards, or will I have to compile my own kernel module if I get one of these? Sir Robin -- The other major kind of computer is the Apple, which I do not recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you basically just plug in and use. - Dave Barry Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Complete failure
John Richard Smith wrote: Today I had a complete computer failure, nothing, not even a bios boot screen. I downloaded a whole batch of emails, dealt with them, and went away leaving d4x downloading a file. When I came back, nothing but a blank screen, I touched a key, and a mandrake boot script appears, hung at fsck, y/n , I say yes, it completes the fsck and then hangs again.Nothing further , just a blank black screen , no script at all. Panic, Ctrl+alt+del ineffective alt+SysRq+B ineffective Have to shut power off(reset buttlon ineffectual) I power up again, and nothing but a blank black screen not even a bios boot screen, and in addition 4 red LED mobo display which manual say's 4 RED LED's = System Power On, The D-LED will hang here if processor is damaged or not installed Properly. This suggest's that it's curtains for my processor, AMD Athlon Palamino, but before I condem it and go rushing off to replace it I thought I had better ask first if there is anything I should do to test it first. Any suggestions welcomed, as this is my first processor failure. It does sound like your processor could be dead, but it could also be a mobo or graphic card problem. Could even be something as simple as a loose connection. Have you tried re-flashing the BIOS? Sir Robin -- The other major kind of computer is the Apple, which I do not recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you basically just plug in and use. - Dave Barry Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
Lanman wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. I'm using Linux at work in a university department for the usual office stuff and as a local FTP server (though I seem to be the only person who makes much use of this). I use LyX for my own academic writing and OpenOffice for correcting/commenting on student papers (I've set up a series of styles and macros for this, which makes it a lot easier). However, my boss has just informed me that there is a new policy requiring all teachers to use Windows 98. War may be declared. Sir Robin -- The other major kind of computer is the Apple, which I do not recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you basically just plug in and use. - Dave Barry Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] a mega (mandrake) distro
Richard Urwin wrote: On Tuesday 07 Oct 2003 12:47 am, Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 06 October 2003 06:47 pm, Anarky wrote: you know something that i would really LOOVE to see? A 10cd distribution Linux (preferably made out of Mandrake)... if anybdoy feels the same way as me ... where could we pitch this idea with people with enough knowledge power to actually do this? It's called ProSuite and you can pre-order your copy now at the MandrakeStore. I found myself thinking last night, (bad move huh,) wouldn't it be nice to support those nice MDK people by buying a power pack of 9.2. The 9.2 list appears not to have been compiled yet, but the 9.1 list didn't seem to include anything that I hadn't already had running by download, and certainly nothing that I was tempted to pay the money for. Anybody want to persuade me otherwise? And to stay On Topic, it's a 7 CD set. I was about to ask the same question. I'd be tempted if it included some useful commercial software like win4lin, but I don't want to pay for a bunch of demos and betas. Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
Margot wrote: I just received five copies of the following message, sent to my email address and not to the list.Anyone else get any? Should I reply to M J Pipkin? Margot Original Message Subject: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:19 -0700 From: M J Pipkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy. Please send no further newbie communicationsand remove my name from your list. I replied, somewhat brusquely: This is also unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy. Maybe I should have also have pointed out that unsolicited spam is redundant, since solicited spam would be a contradiction in terms. Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Connecting to Windows XP
I'm having a problem getting smbclient to talk to a Windows XP box (they took my printer and put it on there!). Printerdrake sees the printer but can't print a test page to it, and connecting with smbclient gives the message Error connecting to 139.179.80.86 (Operation already in progress). I've switched off the firewall on the XP box, but this doesn't help. Any ideas? Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to get rid of old Windows Drive Mounts
HaywireMac wrote: Although I no longer have any Windows partitions or drives, they still show up under /mnt. I have checked /etc/fstab, and they do not appear. Is there somewhere else I need to go to make them stop appearing? Have you checked your lilo configuration? Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Making Linux Converts
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 26 Aug 2003 2:54 am, Harv Nelson wrote: Watch an animation of the conversion process of a new Linux user http://ai9nl.shacknet.nu/images/linux_convert.gif Harv What did you view it with? I just got a low-res static pic. Takes a _long_ time to load, but I got the animation in the end (that's with Mozilla). Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mdk performance!
Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote: Anyone could comment this one? It was a happy surprise for me! http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=227 I particularly liked the line Garry's friend Joris (visiting from Belgium) put in the hard work on the Mandrake install, clicking Yes and Next like a pro Sir Robin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Novell Acquires Ximian to Expand Linux Solutionsand Open Source Commitment
Aron Smith wrote: On Monday 04 August 2003 06:59 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Ximian (as in Red-Carpet, Evolution, Ximian Connector, Ximian Desktop2) has been purchased by NOVELL. Read. This is interesting. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030804/sfm098_1.html Well that one piece of software that gets uninstalled I wouldn't put it past those crumb-bums to put a tattletale in it Since they say it's going to remain Open Source, I don't seee they could get away with it. Sir Robin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla and my bank
Brian Craft wrote: [snip] Of course its possible your Bank *is* using Java. If you go here http://java.sun.com/openstudio/applets/clock.html If a clock appears on your screen Java is working. If it does not work make sure you have the libjavaplugin_oji.so file in your /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4/plugins folder If Mozilla has quit working with your bank, file a Bugzilla report on it. I did a while back and withing 48 hours the problem was fixed. Just remember to be very descriptive in the Bugzilla report and include the URL for your bank. Yay, the power of Open Source development. One thing you might also want to check is your java version. Does it play nice with Moz 1.4? Does it play nice with your bank? I had Java version problems for a while with the Co-operative Bank (UK) who were at least honest enough to say something like We sorry that if you've upgraded your Java, you might have to wait until we upgrade our software. Eventually it worked fine, but it was a long wait. Sir Robin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT M$ Loses again
Haywiremac wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:27:26 +0300 Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Bring on the Visigoths! Was it the Visigoths that brought Rome down? I thought they lived in France...got wiped out by the Church in Medieval times... Either way, I like being on the side that's gonna kick some arrogant MS/Rome butt comin up real soon. :-D By the time the Roman Empire was in serious decline, everyone was having a go - Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Vandals, Huns, plus the Persians in the East and a mishmash of minor German tribes who had to be content with the lean pickings in Britain. But it was Alaric the Visigoth who has the dubious distinction of being the first to sack Rome, after a long siege in 410. After his death, the Visigoths moved to France where, IIRC, they combined forces with the Romans to fight Atilla the Hun to a standstill in 453. Incidentally, when I was checking the date of Alaric's sack of Rome, I happened on a page where every instance of goth had been replaced by goblin. Is this the result of too much playing DD, or has the dreaded MS spellchecker been at work again? Sir Robin the Goblin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT M$ Loses again
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 16:14, Lee Wiggers wrote: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2003-07-14-linux-tech_x.htm Rome wasn't built in a day, and certainly didn't fall in a day; but we can hope for a quicker demise to the monopoly of dem guys! Bring on the Visigoths! Sir Robin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Draw a simple line with Gimp
Marco Verheul wrote: Hi all, I want to design a logo with Gimp and I need to insert a simple straight horizontal line. How do I do this? In my experience, the GIMP is best for what its name implies: image _manipulation_. For designing from scratch I find xfig works better, despite its yucky GUI. OpenOffice Draw isn't bad for simple stuff. Once you've got your basic design, then you can always use the GIMP to add flashy effects to it. If you want to get really ambitious, try Blender. It's an animation program, but you can also use it as a kind of 3D CAD program. Sir Robin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Configuring Samba
Tony S. Sykes wrote: Go into MS explorer on XP and find your Linux box. Then go to the printer and double click on it, this will ask for drivers which you need to install and it will then appear in your printers. Not sure about 98 as never done it but could be the same. In 98 just use the Add Printer dialogue. Sir Robin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS in trouble, sorry it's kinda OT
Paul wrote: After IBM took possesion of MS-DOS they had to sort out over 300 bugs in 4,000 lines of code changed name tp PC-DOS (that's why it's licensed to MS IBM). Ye gods, that's not far from one line in ten! Even my programming isn't that bad! Sir Robin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] GMO foods
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, Nope! But I'll take your word for it! Thought maybe someone had made an honest mistake and posted to the wrong list. That was indeed what happened. Therewas a question on the OT list what do you think about GM food and the person who inadvertently started this thread mis-addressed his reply. Oh well, arguing about tomatoes may waste bandwidth, but it's better than arguing about Communism ;-) Sir Robin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] exotic letters problem (å, ä and ö)
fifner the dragon wrote: Hi, I have a problem with non english letters. If I try sending a file including å, ä or ö gFTP tells me the file is not there. If I try compressing it these letters are replaced with other symbols. It sounds like you're FTP-ing in ascii mode. Try it in binary mode. Sir Robin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ftp client
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i need a ftp client. gftp and lftp arent very user friendly... gftp needs the password of the server every file you'll download :( lftp is just terminal Konqueror is fine if you want a GUI (remember to check the save password box. But if you're into heavy FTP use, it's easier in the long run to use a command line client. Personally, I like ncftp. Sir Robin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] php software
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi i'm looking for an php editor. followinf features would be nice: ftp-support - online editing of files small explorer to open files syntax highligthing it would be nice if the editor also supports java, java script, html. any good ideas? i heard from eclipse but i think its only for java development... am i right? Kwrite does most of this. I haven't used it for PHP, but I use it a lot for Perl. No preview, but then why not just use your browser, since you're editing web pages? Sir Robin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Wine
Lee Wiggers wrote: All this wine talk made me curious enough to install the latest and try to run the last program keeping me with a windows box. Act! Problem: I installed the RPM wine-20030618-mdk9.1.i586.rpm without a problem. Now..How do I configure and use the program? I know, RTFM. I am, but it seems like they assume I'm smarter than I am, as usual. I'm getting a complex. Try xwine - it's an all-purpose frontend for running and configuring wine. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] i'm looking for a very good WYSIWYG editor other thanMozilla composer
John Wilson wrote: On July 25, 2003 04:50 am, Robin Turner wrote: a little snip The main factor in compatibility both ways is fonts and CSS. You can get a much better appearance on Windows by using fonts that Windows handles well. Tahoma and Verdana are good choices. You should also provide a lit of fonts in your CSS, though of course you can't do that in WYSIWYG editors (well, maybe Amaya?). Set font sizes as relative, not absolute. I find a base font size of 90% gives the best overall results, Self-correction - for text, I now prefer ems to percentages. The tricky thing, as I've just found out trying to get a page to display well at different resolutions on different OSs and browsers, is making text and graphics play nice, since graphic measurement generally goes in pixels. Actually MS likes Times New Roman and the old non-serif font that was, at one point, standard with Winsucks. I usually have Times New Roman as an option for large chunks of text. but it's not actually a very nice font - it was based on newspaper fonts, which have rather tight kerning for web display. Of course you can set kerning in CSS2, but how many browsers support that? I wish Donald Knuth would design some web fonts ;-) By all means use everything suggested here to test which one you like best. I believe even Web Sphere comes with a kinda stripped down evaluation package which gives you an idea of how it works. No NOT under pain of much torture, death and abuse use Front Page or Word as your HTML editor. Just to repeat myself DON'T! :-) Absolutely. When I first got on the Web, I used to save documents I'd written in Word as HTML then upload them. People from all over the world took the trouble to e-mail me about it! Do use relative font sizes. Yes, and remember that many people have screen resolutions that will make your default fault look ridiculously large. Then there are a few people who use Konqueror, which makes everything microscopic. Do remember to use serif fonts for any text longer than one short paragraph. There are valid reasons for this. The biggest one is that the serifs make it easier for the eye to track what the user is reading. That's why you see them everywhere. Use san serif fonts for headlines, headers and little extractions only. I agree with this for print, but I'm not sure how much it applies on the web. Read bags of information on just how to design a web site. Most people haven't got a clue, to be honest. Don't take hint's on this from Portals. They are both a crime against sanity and a wonderful example of how not to design a site. Certainly. The same goes for most corporate websites. As someone said on BBC's Click Online programme, The bigger the company, the worse the website. DO read and absorb everything you find on www.useit.com. Jakob Neilsen is kinda cranky but he's usually right about what does and does not make a usable web site. But his site looks incredibly ugly. I had to check the source code to make sure he was using CSS - he seems to have written a stylesheet designed to recall the good old days of Mosaic ;-). I'd still say the best place to start is the W3C (www.w3.org). It's a bit of a labyrinth, but there is a ton of good information and advice there. Check out the CSS Zen Garden for some eye-candy! Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi.addmedia mozilla
John Richard Smith wrote: Derek Jennings wrote: On Thursday 24 Jul 2003 11:27 am, John Richard Smith wrote: OK, but, now what is wrong ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# urpmi.addmedia mozilla ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrak e/9.1/contrib/RPMS with hdlist2.cz added medium mozilla examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.texstar.cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.jpackage.free.cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.main.cz] retrieving description file of mozilla... retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of mozilla... ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrak e/9.1/contrib/RPMS/hdlist2.cz ...retrieving failed: curl failed: exited with 19 or signal 0 retrieve of source hdlist (or synthesis) failed no hdlist file found for medium mozilla examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.mozilla.cz] problem reading synthesis file of medium mozilla unable to update medium mozilla You have made exactly the same mistake again. Instead of synthesis.hdlist2.cz you have typed hdlist2.cz You only have to enter that ftp address in the url line of a browser and you can see what the file is called. I am curious. Why are you entering a 9.1 contrib source and calling it 'mozilla'. (Mozilla is not even in that source) I know from previous posts you have already defined contrib sources before? derek Well, it would seem I remain completely baffled by this urpmi setup business. I thought I found mozilla1.4 here, seems I am mistaken. I don't think I am going to ever learn these mysterious incantations of a masonic rights of passage crossword puzzle of a command line. All you will ever need: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] what do i add to /etc/fstab to automount samba shareson boot ? user/pass/domain required
ed tharp wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 09:40, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 19:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what do i add to /etc/fstab to automount samba shares on boot ? user/pass/domain required Instead of doing it in the /etc/fstab - why not create a script that you can call from the /etc/rc.d/rc.local - so that if the network is hosed up, it ain't going to muck up your system or drag down performance...? (Really easy to export a mountscript from LinNeighborhood - ya don't need to know anything at all - it does it for ya) Just FYI man I wanted to see how long before he complained that if the windows box was hosed, he could not reboot into linux, that it hung right after starting eth0. You're evil ;-) I discovered the joys of rc relatively recently, when I used it for my dialup connection. Has the advantage that you can trash X and stay online, not to mention not having to fiddle with Kppp. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: SCO WAS Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?
Greg wrote: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5047571.html As one reader commented: the fat's really in the fire now. IANALA, but surely a clever lawyer could find a way to counter-sue on this - given that they have yet to prove their original case, it sounds very like extracting money with menaces. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] i'm looking for a very good WYSIWYG editor other thanMozilla composer
Todd Slater wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 08:05:28AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to get a web presence up and running soon and have a OSWD template I plan to be using but since i do not know or have the time to learn html I require a good WYSIWYG html editor to create my web pages. Mozilla Composer has worked semi-decently though I notice It does not look very good on a windows based machine. I'd like my page to look good on both platforms. This is why i'm seeking a new editor. How is that the fault of Mozilla? If you're not willing to take the time to learn how to design a webpage (by learning about html and css etc.) I don't know how switching tools is going to help you any. You can produce web pages with Mozilla that will look the way you want in IE so long as you're careful about things like fonts and CSS. HTML is HTML, whatever you produce it with. That said, you (arosene, not Todd) could try OpenOffice. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] DiskDrake: Unmounting /dev/dha6 aka /home.
Sharrea wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:32, James Henry Maiewski wrote: Hello, I've been trying to create an new partition on my only hard drive. According to the directions, I need to unmount the partition, but clicking unmount in DiskDrake has no effect. 'umount /dev/hsa6' tells me that the device is busy. How do I procede? Not sure whether this will work or not. But you could try logging in as root so the /home dir is not being used at all and then running diskdrake. I think /home gets mounted automatically. Either edit it out of /etc/fstab, or boot uo in recuse mode, in which cae nothing is mounted. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help me out
Gene Barker wrote: I am a new linux user, about a month. I need your help, speaking to the newbie group. I joined this group in hopes of learning more of linux and solutions to problems I may have. I have been inundated with emails from our group, most of them not very useful. May I request 2 things. 1. Limit or eliminate political or philosophical discussions from this channel. Lets use it as a tool to learn of linux. 2. The answers to legitimate questions are sometimes cryptic and hard for me to follow. A little more information or a way to follow the conversation would be helpful to me. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Agreed. Two requests, though: 1. Use plain text for mails, not XML (?). 2. Don't fill in the Reply-to field in your mail preferences. I just wrote a reply which was meant to go to the list but got sent to you personally instead. -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root
Tony S. Sykes wrote: All, Is it possible to do urpmi as a user and not root. Reason being is I am behind a ms proxy which authenticates user id's. They will not create a root one for me so it will have to be my own user for the updates. How do I do this? Can I do this? You could try using rpm with the prefix option set to your home directory (see man rpm). Can't guarantee that the installed program will work, though. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) Making a file available for download
Lee Wiggers wrote: I know this isn't the place to ask, but I have spent 4 hours googling and haven't come close. I have a file I want to make available for download from my site. I watch you all do it all the time. Jealousy is not a pretty sight. Would someone please lead me in the right direction, off list if you prefer? Just install proftp. The default configuration works reasonably well. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
rikona wrote: Hello Erylon, Sunday, July 20, 2003, 5:40:56 PM, you wrote: EH I haven't seen a single pc in the past couple of years that EH actually came with a real install disk. I buy only from small local dealers who will supply a real install disk. The service I have had from these people has also been much better, plus I can bring the machine there if necessary. Prices have been competitive with the biggies, too. They are a dying breed, though. :-((( Bigger is NOT necessarily better. Here in Turkey if you buy from a smaller dealer, it's normal for a computer to come with a complete set of disks for Windows, MS Office and Photoshop. All pirated, of course ... Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.
ed tharp wrote: On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 13:47, Graham Watkins wrote: ed tharp wrote: lawyers and university professors and the NEA are not ruining the world, corporate greed is a serious problem itself. while Corporations are an entity they do not have feelings or emotions. they (the Corp). exist only as a group of papers. they are run by people, who for the most part, are trying to make it look as tho they are both following the rules to play and work fair and make a profit. IMHO, as I see it, the real problem is that a Corporations right to exist trumps an individuals right to exist, legally. According to Roger Scruton, whose lectures I attended many years ago, a corporation has the status of a person in law. This strikes me as unfortunate as a corporation, while possessing similar appetites, lacks many of the moral characteristics of a person - occasional inclinations towards altruism, any sense of fairness - above all, it completely lacks a sense of shame. It can, however, afford more and better legal help than the average regular person. I was under the impression it had the same status as an enity as any other living enity, which includes persons In American law it's a person - comes from a case around the turn of the century: Dartmouth College vs. someone-or-other. Time we took this thread to the OT list? Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) Making a file available for download
BTW, if you don't have a permanent IP number, check out www.no-ip.com (thanks to Joe for making me aware of that one). Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
Frankie wrote: Does translation to 1's and 0's make something worthless? because the same can be done for your genitical profile :-) Bad analogy. I didn't design my own genes. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 7:51 pm, you wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:39:45 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next. I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people there think about communism. whatever, then don't bother communicating with me ever again. OK - you don't like to hear anything against your beliefs do you? Now can we get back to linux? Or take this to the OT list? It's an interesting thread, but I'm not sure if it's relevant to this list. -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
JoeHill wrote: agreeable as possible. You have, as Anne, treated me to abuse, fixating on one comment out of a whole discussion to label me a communist, and belittle me for any sympathies I may have with that philosophy. Anne's argument was not exactly cogent, and it was, IMHO, hijacking a potentially interesting (if somewhat OT) thread about IP and how programmers can be remunerated for their work ... but it wasn't abuse. Saying Fuck off is abuse. Keep that kind of thing for the OT list, please. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
John Richard Smith wrote: I have a daughter good at creating electronically manipulated Sound programmes on her Yamaha. Here is an exaple, [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cd /mnt/ext2-vol7/Christine/tape1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] tape1]# ls disk.mng* song_004.mid* song_009.mid* song_013.mid* song_017.mid* song_001.mid* song_005.mid* song_010.mid* song_014.mid* song_018.mid* song_002.mid* song_006.mid* song_011.mid* song_015.mid* song_019.mid* song_003.mid* song_008.mid* song_012.mid* song_016.mid* song_n.mng* OK so it's meanigless to me at this time. What I need is a Linux programme to assemble and manipulate this stuff. This is likely to envolve, 1) cut and paste assembly. 2) Signwave display to change and manipulate the character of the sound. 3) mixers. 4) maybe conversion programmes, eg whatever these above are to .wav or .mp3 and no doubt many other things as well that my simplicity of understanding is holding me back from enunciating. Anybody know of a Linux programme or two that works. Try http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/linux/ for a really impressive collection of Linux music apps. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Easiest way to upgrade XFree?
JoeHill wrote: Okay, the options are compiling the latest source tarball and praying or...? The only easy way to upgrade is to wait for a new version of Mandrake ;-) Seriously, though, if you really need to do it, urpmi should do the trick, and be prepared to hack your XF86Config file. I don't recommend compiling from source, but if you do, make an RPM and install that. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Easiest way to upgrade XFree?
JoeHill wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:57:23 -0400 Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Out of curiosity, why do you want to do that? On my now famous Compaq Deskpro, it has an onboard S3 Trio64V2/GX which is only supported by X 3.3.6 or the latest 4.3.x. Stick with 3.3.6 until Mdk 9.2 comes out. An S3 Trio will look crap whatever driver you have, anyway ;-) Since it is a test machine, I am thinkin Robin *might* be on the right track, go for 9.2 beta (is that out yet?!) or cooker I guess. But urpmi would work? ie. rpm -e --nodeps XFree*, then urpmi XFree new version? or go for the whole shamozzle (ie. don't use --nodeps)? Only if you want to get rid of every X application you have! Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Update not possible
Rosario Balboa wrote: I ghot the same problem, but in Add a source there's relative path to synthesis/hdlist, what is this?Could you give me a couple nice URL with their synthesis/hdlist whatever this is? Somebody posted a link to an excellent page with a utility that calculates the commands you need to add sources for just about anything (including Texstar and PLF) - you just have to choose your mirror, then paste the result code into a terminal. Unfortunately the bookmark is on my office computer ... Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Update not possible
Curt Tresenriter wrote: It's http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php That was the one.A very useful page. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File fragmentation?
Brooks Family wrote: How does linux handle file fragmentation and, thus, defragmentation? IIRC, I wrote a long explanation of this a couple of weeks ago. The short explanation is: Linux filesystems don't fragment because they don't put files in stupid places. Unix doesn't either. Nor does MacIntosh. I doubt if BeOS or OS/2 do either. Hmmm, who does that leave? Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] spammer warning
Aron Smith wrote: On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 21:20, Eric Huff wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg) wrote: Lets tar and feather him greg Would that be tar -f chris ? Just sed him out of town You're such a soft touch. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla 1.4
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Robin Turner wrote: Has anyone tried out the Redhat RPMs for Mozilla 1.4? Is anyone working on a Mandrake-optimised version? Sir Robin Texstar has them up and they work well. Large download, but worth it. I take that back. I am having trouble with it. What kind of trouble? Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Video Card Setup - HELP!!
Tango Echo wrote: Hi all, After following Stephen's advice, I purchased the GeForce FX 5600 256MB video card. Not really acting to intelligently, I simply powered down the computer, swapped the cards, and started the dual boot system. XP found the card fine, but MDK 9.1 kicks into the console. 1. How can I configure the video card from the console so I can get back into KDE? drakxconf 2. I know the FX 5600 has its own updated drivers from the nVidia web site that I would like to be installed. How does this play into it? Do I have to do the basic setup from the console to get KDE up and running, then install the updated drivers? That's the best way. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Making file excecutable
Johan Scheepers wrote: Hi, I have written some scripts in gedit to mount and umount my other linux flavours on my system. Do not want them in fstab OK I did chmod 755 to them and now they show up green. Can be executed with ./xx. They are in my home directory. What I would like to do is.. 1. execute them from anywhere Put them somewhere like /usr/bin (or create a symbolic link). Extreme caution advised. 2. Drag them om my user screen and exec from there. Depends on your window manager. In KDE, right-click on the desktop, select Create New- Link to Application and fill in the appropriate bits. If you use 2., you shouldn't need 1.. Just make sure you specify an absolute path, e.g. /home/johan/foo.sh Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mozilla 1.4
Has anyone tried out the Redhat RPMs for Mozilla 1.4? Is anyone working on a Mandrake-optimised version? Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla 1.4
Mike wrote: Robin Turner wrote: Has anyone tried out the Redhat RPMs for Mozilla 1.4? Is anyone working on a Mandrake-optimised version? Sir Robin I installed Mozilla 1.4 from the .tar.gz version from the Mozilla site and it seems to work fine except it has horribly *ugly* fonts. I was hoping Texstar would come up with an Xft version for Mandrake, but have not seen anything yet. Actually, I was only using Mozilla for mail as I have been using (and loving) Phoenix/Firebird for many months now. Just this morning I installed Thunderbird as my email client and it looks great so far (this is my first email with it). I guess I don't need Mozilla now, but I do look forward to 1.5 when Firebird and Thunderbird will be incorporated. The RedHat rpms use Xft - they've just finished downloading, so I'll give them a whirl. Fingers crossed Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to search for greatest # of incidences?
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Monday June 30 2003 11:04 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: If I had a text file that contained the winning Powerball numbers in our state for the last 10 years, what would be the easiest way to search it for the numbers that occurred the most often. Hopefully output to a text file, in descending order by rank? Can I do that from bash? Thanks! Well, I saw you got an answer, now don't bet on it like I infer you're fixin too ;) A knowledge, even intuitively, of random mathematics, theory of chaos, would suggest that past numbers would be more unlikely to turn up than those in future sets? More likely to included? Answer is No to both, but what t'hey, try usin those sorted numbers, or avoid usin 'em. Tickets don't cost much, but buyin multiple tickets only increases your losses, not your chances in any appreciable sense. Worst way to decrease chances is usin the same number set all the time. Specially if they would'a won the one time you forgot to play 'em ; And of course if you do win, don't forget to mention your distro. Headlines like Mandrake magics lottery numbers would get our favourite distro out of the red overnight ;-) Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] defragmentation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, but it would be very usefull if the most experienced ppl on this mail list would give us an explanation or some usefull links on this matter, why ext doesn`t need defragmentation ... Thanks in advance for your understanding. It's very simple, and not exclusive to Linux - it goes back to the early days of Unix. The best way to think of it is that your filesystem is one of those folders that has a separate plastic envelope for each page. Imagine you're a secretary who has to store documents in such a folder. To start off, you put in the first document at the beginning, then the second document after it, and so on. The difference comes when you bin some documents (delete files). If you're a Unix/Linux secretary, and you have a ten-page document, you look for the first empty space in the folder that has at least ten envelopes and put your document there. If you're a Windows secretary, you start filing the document in the first empty space you find, even if it only has three envelopes. You then look for another empty space, and file the next few pages of your document, and so on. Eventually, the documents in your foder are so spread out and mixed up that you have to take them all out and put them back in some kind of order (defragmentation). Stupid, isn't it? Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?
rikona wrote: Hello Robin, Saturday, June 28, 2003, 7:54:35 AM, you wrote: RT A lot of them are very well-educated (and I'm not talking about RT all that training they got in Pakistan thanks to the CIA). The RT word taliban derives from talep, meaning student. Very interesting. We probably get a rather distorted view in the US, as you can see from the comments. Being much closer, you probably know a lot more than we do. What is the 'glue' that holds this group together - why do they exist? It's largely to do with the fact that in Islamic countries, protest is inherently conservative, in that it appeals to a nostalgic utopianism based on what an Islamic society is supposed to be like. Western societies associate protest with the adoption of new ideas (allusions to Greek democracy notwithstanding), but in the Islamic world, protest is a matter of eliminating degenerate rulers and returning to the source (remember that Osama bin Laden's original grudge was against the Saudi monarchy, not America). The original Islamic order was a kind of social democracy presided over by a divinely-inspired leader - first Mohammed, then his successors (Caliph means successor, and the famous Sunni-Shia schism was over who was the true successor of Mohammed - probably pointless, since Mohammed never named a successor and probably didn't intend for there to be one). As the Koran says: First obey God, then the Prophet, then the Shura, a shura being a sort of quasi-democratic tribal council. Of course the fantasy of pure Islam touted by current fundamentalists rarely bears any relation to what the first Muslims actually practised at Medina, especially with regard to sexual politics - by the standards of his time (or indeed any time up to the twentieth century) Mohammed was a feminist. The second strand is the Islamic veneration of learning. Mohammed is reported as saying Seek knowledge, even if you have to go as far as China, and the Koran is full of exhortations to observe the natural world. Even the notorious Muslim aversion to alcohol is based in part on the idea that it destroys the capacity for rational thought. The Arabic (and Turkish) word hoja means both teacher and cleric. When I moved to Turkey, my social status rose astronomically, partly because I'm a European (Turks are incredibly Europhile) but mainly because even in secular Turkey, the old respect for teachers is very strong. Look at almost any nutty fundamentalist group and you'll see some intellectual or cleric pulling the strings, usually a sweet-looking old man with glasses and a long white beard. RT They're probably not up to following this list, though. That's odd, if they're educated. Why is that? I was being whimsical, but really, it's a different world. Even if they had the necessary fluency in English (and a lot of them do), Linux is another language! I once recommended a colleague with email problems to see the computer centre's sysadmin. He asked me if she spoke English, and I replied I don't know - she speaks Unix. It's not just the technical language - there are whole new rules of discourse here. Best wishes, Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Printer virus problem
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 19:17, Robin Turner wrote: Since the only machines with permissions to print to the Samba server are in our offices, I suspect the collateral damage would prove unpopular. The other problem is that these bogus print jobs only come about once a day, so switching the printer off until we got one would not make me popular either, though it is an option. What tools could I use to sniff for the offending computer? Sir Robin Last time I had this problem it was a Windows machine using the wrong driver printing to a Samba printer - the print job was hung in the spooler on the Windows machine, and had to be blown out from there. I used Ethereal to determine the IP addy. Just installed Ethereal - a nice application! It just detected one legit print job. Even if I never catch the culprit, I can have fun sniffing round the LAN. Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to make dial up global
Chris Knewstubb wrote: Hi, I am running Mandrake 9.1. I am in the process of setting up accounts for my family. I have set up KPPP dial up tool in my account. How do I set it up so that it appears in all accounts and not just mine? You could copy the kppp configuration files from your account to all the others (they're buried somewhere under .kde). Alternatively, if you all use the same ISP account and want to be online all the time (i.e. you're not on a pay-per-minute connection), you couldtry what I did and use wvdial, setting it to run as a daemon in your startup configuration. That way no one has to bother with connecting - by the time the windows manager has opened, they'll be online. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] snapshot
Josenildo Marques wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I can't get snapshots of movies either using Ksnapshot or The Gimp. The Mplayer window goes blue. I'm running Mandrake Linux 9.1. I don't know how to fix this, but Xine has its own snapshot feature. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 06:53, Robin Turner wrote: Watch what you say about the Taliban, mate. They might not take too kindly to being compared with Microsoft ;-) Sir Robin ...er, can the Taliban members READ? A lot of them are very well-educated (and I'm not talking about all that training they got in Pakistan thanks to the CIA). The word taliban derives from talep, meaning student. They're probably not up to following this list, though. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Printer virus problem
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:36, Robin Turner wrote: No, of course I haven't got a virus, but someone on our LAN has, and it's printing garbage (probably its own code) to my Samba printer. One line, one page, so we've got through two reams of paper this week. Short of updating virus definitions and scanning all our Windows boxes (eventually necessary, but a big job, especially since our institution is not subscribed for virus definiton updates) is there a way I can block this? Sir Robin Can't you simply blow out all the jobs for that printer, take the printer offline, scan the network for the machine that's attempting to communicate to your Samba printer and then blow it up? Since the only machines with permissions to print to the Samba server are in our offices, I suspect the collateral damage would prove unpopular. The other problem is that these bogus print jobs only come about once a day, so switching the printer off until we got one would not make me popular either, though it is an option. What tools could I use to sniff for the offending computer? Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Printer virus problem
Derek Jennings wrote: On Friday 27 Jun 2003 10:17 am, Robin Turner wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:36, Robin Turner wrote: No, of course I haven't got a virus, but someone on our LAN has, and it's printing garbage (probably its own code) to my Samba printer. One line, one page, so we've got through two reams of paper this week. Short of updating virus definitions and scanning all our Windows boxes (eventually necessary, but a big job, especially since our institution is not subscribed for virus definiton updates) is there a way I can block this? Sir Robin Can't you simply blow out all the jobs for that printer, take the printer offline, scan the network for the machine that's attempting to communicate to your Samba printer and then blow it up? Since the only machines with permissions to print to the Samba server are in our offices, I suspect the collateral damage would prove unpopular. The other problem is that these bogus print jobs only come about once a day, so switching the printer off until we got one would not make me popular either, though it is an option. What tools could I use to sniff for the offending computer? Sir Robin How about looking at the log of print jobs. kjobviewer will help you. I looked at kjobviewer, but it doesn't seem to have a history, just shows jobs in the queue. Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?
John Wilson wrote: [snip] And yes, it would be wonderful if developers would stop those silly IE only tags out there. Or popups that say we only support Windows Media Player as if that's the be all and end all. So if the article accomplishes that it will be helpful. Then again, how many MSCE's read Business Week? How many MSCE's can read? :-) They don't need to - it's been point and click ever since NT came out. Though I hear the latest Windows server will have - gasp - a command line. That'll confuse a lot of people. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Printer virus problem
No, of course I haven't got a virus, but someone on our LAN has, and it's printing garbage (probably its own code) to my Samba printer. One line, one page, so we've got through two reams of paper this week. Short of updating virus definitions and scanning all our Windows boxes (eventually necessary, but a big job, especially since our institution is not subscribed for virus definiton updates) is there a way I can block this? Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 23:41, Burrows, Scott wrote: RANT Mandrake IS popular. I know of the MDKers where I work I'm the only one on this list. /RANT There are unbelievable amounts of linux users, let alone Mandrake users - but you have to figure that MAYBE 20% of them even participate in the email lists, votes, or what have you. Think about THIS for a second: IF every single linux user actually were tallied up, do you REALLY think that any of the statistics that are compiled by newsworthy sources would report Microsoft being 90% of the desktop market? I hardly would think so. I wonder how they compile these statistics. It's quite possible that since my computer came with Windows 98 (first edition - aaargh!), I too am counted in with that supposed 90%. There's also the question of how you define desktop. My computer at work runs Mandrake, and we use it for Samba printing and FTP. Does that make it count towards the desktop statistics or the server statistics? The whole Desktop PC thing is an IBM/MS invention, from the days when they were still in bed together (OK, they might not have invented the actual word, but they spread the idea). We Linux users do not have Desktop PCs, we have _workstations_! Fear the penguin. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] webmin
eric huff wrote: Sort of not a hijack: Is there any reason to have webmin in the startup services if i don't actually remotely log into it? No. Sir Robin thanks, eric On Monday 23 June 2003 06:11 am, Mark Berry wrote: On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 05:54:50PM +0100, Tsyko wrote: One very stupid question.. How do I launch webmin?? Type webmin (without quotes) at a root prompt. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Samba - question from a friend
I was wondering if any Samba experts could help me out on this one Troy McKee (airshipjones) replied to your LiveJournal comment in which you [meaning Sir Robin] said: I've never used W2K and don't know what an Active Directory, but I reckon your best bet is to set up a Samba server on your Linux box, which makes it visible to Windows computers (can also be used as a printer server for networked Windows boxes). Configuring Samba is a bit of a pain, but there's a tool to let you do it via your browser which is much easier (smbconfing? sambaconf? I forget). Once you've got Samba up and running, you can set up Windows shares as mount points, and also have Linux directories show up as shares on Windows computers (in Win98 you make, say, E: drve point to /home/fred - I imagine there's some equivalent in W2K). Their reply was: Subject: Yeah, I installed Samba and set-up a share. But I am having difficulty seeing the system from my windows domain. How do I set the domain membership for linux? And how (or where) do I find tools for determining the actual IP address of the system (it should be receiving one via DHCP)? Any ideas? Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] More of that nasty anti-MS FUD, LOL
JoeHill wrote: http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/06/16/1552233.shtml But did you see all the pro-Outlook posts? Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Samba - question from a friend
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 16:09, Robin Turner wrote: I was wondering if any Samba experts could help me out on this one One of the best bets for this is to setup the system using SWAT and Webmin - this gives the linux administrator the ability to actually setup the linux box as not only a Windows server, but also a domain controller if need be (PDC/BDC) - once the machine is properly setup in the AD for this particular network, the rest is relatively easy as the AD will pick the machine and thence communicate it's IP/DNS to the rest of the machines in the AD. Thanks, I just forwarded this. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mplayer
DrewMartin wrote: Hello All, I tried to install Mplayer from the mplayer website,but ended up going round in circles(using the RPM's for Redhat),i.e. one would not install without the other,but could not install the other one first. Went to the Mandrake site the only RPM's where on the club site,which I can not afford to join at this moment in time.I don't want to try using Tarball's quite yet,because my base Linux skills are not that good yet. Can any one help me to find a version of Mplayer that will work with MDK 9.1,but does not take loads of knowledge to install. You oculd try the alternative RPM sites like Texstar. However, if you have circular dependency problems, one thing that might work is to put all the RPMs in a directory, cd to that directory, then do urpmi ./* Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] chinese fonts
Giulio F. wrote: Hi! I have just installed Mandrake 9.1. I have chosen the support for some languages that I need, particulary chinese. My problem is the I can't input chinese character. There is a program xcin but it does't work because the font zh_CN.UTF-8 are unsupported by this program. When I try to run the program Iget this error: locale section zh_CN.UTF-8: DEFAULT_IM : value not specified Do you know other programs to input chinese characters? Can I set Mandrake 9.1 to support zh_CN.GB2312? You could try chinput - there are a few others in the contrib sources, IIRC. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] REPLY FROM AUTHOR: Are all writers submitting to FUD
David E Fox wrote: not ready for the enterprise--as in where it can't compete--then there would be something to talk about. But as it was, the column was just a Linux being ready for the enterprise is not the question. The question is rather is the enterprise ready for Linux? Mainframe-level entities (JD Edwards/People Soft/ SAP) software could probably run on a beefed-up Linux machine (our boat anchor at Revo ran JD Endwards on AS/400 and had gigs of RAM). Linux, and the open source movement in general, is a classic example of paradigm shift. Management doesn't get paradigm shift all that often. The one big obstacle to open source / Linux is the idea that anything one gets from the internet could be loaded with virii and g-d knows what else. Ergo, all software has to be purchased shrink-wrapped with manuals, support contracts, licences, and etc. And if Purchasing doesn't know about you, they can't buy you. I ran into this attitude back in the days of Denial Of Service (DOS) shareware. There were quite a few useful tools back then -- management would say virus if you tried to use them. Good points. Another interesting feature of the article is his attitude to programmers (who, as he says, love Linux). They are seen as a necessary but inherently untrustworthy element in a business organisation, and putting software too much in the hands of programmers would be dangerous - much better to buy shrink-wrapped software, and limit your geeks to fixing it when it goes wrong and writing templates for Word. Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie]OT again, Chess Game: a personal plea/whine/rant/whatever
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Robin Turner wrote: Incidentally, my Mandrake experience has been greatly enriched since I added contrib sources to urpmi. Contrib is where you find the funny, quirky or just plain obscure programs. Sometimes you might miss them because they have a boring-looking name; for example, who'd have guessed that tdfsb was a funky 3D file browser that transforms your filesystem into a world reminiscent of Tron or Neuromancer that you can fly around in. I've wasted hours playing with this little program already. Sir Robin It is pretty wild. Is there a way to slow it down? The direction keys make you move very fast. Is there a manual telling you the keyboard shortcuts for it? There's no manual, but if you press the h key you get a list of key-bindings. It's also worth looking at the .tdfsb file and editing it to your taste. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie]OT again, Chess Game: a personal plea/whine/rant/whatever
FemmeFatale wrote: At 02:49 AM 6/20/2003 +0300, you wrote: giant snip If you're interested in developing your spatial abilities in an enjoyable way, I recommend Go. The rules are very simple, but the fact that it's based on geometric patterns on a 19x19 board makes gameplay infinitely complex. Back in the 1970s, when chess programs were starting to beat grandmasters, Go programs were still trying to make legal moves and learn basic tactics (around 1978, my brother wrote a Go program that could play legally and not do anything totally stupid on a reduced-size board, and he was very proud of it). Also as a padawan jeweller, I think you'd like the aesthetic aspect of Go- for reasons no one is sure of, the end result of a game played between two masters looks nicer than a game played between amateurs. The first Go-player I met said Sometimes I make a move just because I think a point would look good with one of my stones on it. There are Go programs and Internet clients available for Linux. Sir Robin Were I capable of having kids I'd ask you to have mine luv. :D Oh right you don't do children...oh well.. n/m then. :D Ty I shall look into Go. Heard of it. Never played it. Never seen it. Might be worth trying tho. Merci! Now I wonder if i can play it online somewhere... You can indeed. Browse through the Mandrake contribs directory for Go games and clients. Incidentally, my Mandrake experience has been greatly enriched since I added contrib sources to urpmi. Contrib is where you find the funny, quirky or just plain obscure programs. Sometimes you might miss them because they have a boring-looking name; for example, who'd have guessed that tdfsb was a funky 3D file browser that transforms your filesystem into a world reminiscent of Tron or Neuromancer that you can fly around in. I've wasted hours playing with this little program already. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] REPLY FROM AUTHOR: Are all writers submitting to FUDusage?]]
Stephen Kuhn wrote: I read Rob Enderle's article, and was a bit agro, but managed to write him something that wasn't quite so agro - I tried very hard to let intellect override my personal feelings, and believe it or not, I got a response: BEGIN FWD Original Message Subject: Re: Are all writers submitting to FUD usage? Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:59:24 -0700 From: Rob Enderle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kuhn Media Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually I wasn't paid for this at all, however it wouldn't be unusual for this to happen, one of the problems with a free product is it often doesn't have the resources to defend against a direct attack and Microsoft really wants this puppy to go away and they are incredibly well funded, somewhat inept in their approach, but well funded. I actually haven't noticed that trend, and many of the folks I work with have stopped writing on Linux because of the hate mail when they aren't positive. Not a good sign. Windows 95 was pilloried, and OS/2 was shot (I know because I was the primary analyst doing the shooting, long story here). It may be a memory thing but I was covering both and the breakage (and sloppy roll out) that surrounded this platform (95) resulted in a massive press backlash that most seem to have forgotten, including Microsoft. Next month I'll do the Microsoft thing and piss off a whole new set of folks. Best! A surprisingly pleasant reply, I thought. I'll look forward to his Windows piece. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Told ya, don't trust IBM
JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:06:02 -0400 Thomas Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: They didn't state it directly, at least not that I saw, but it would stand to reason that you don't want critical software to be publicly available so that would-be terrorists or crackers can read the source code and find a way in. This theory has been thoroughly debunked. Closed source software is just as vulnerable, if not more so (just see MS as one particularly egregious example). Not only that, but it is quite clear that the response time for closing vulnerablilities in the Open Source side is a fraction of that for proprietary. Open Source coders are also more likely to discover *potential* vulnerabilities *before* they make it to production because of the far superior oversight. Why else would the NSA and the Department of Homeland Security be using Linux? A more cogent case for close-source software would be something like a missile targetting system. It's not that you don't want the enemy to get into it - you don't want them to get their hands on it and be able to use it themselves. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2003-06-18 at 23:32, JoeHill wrote: this guy is a *nutjob*. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2999780.stm Er, Joe, don't talk about family members like that, mate. It's not nice. (grin) The guy's a liberal wuss. Targetting computers is not what we need, we need to go after the criminals themselves, and the solution is Black ICE. The next generation of Palladium should include a Trustworthy Computing feature which would cause epileptic fits in users who attempted to use pirated material or illegal hacker software such as Linux. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Orrin Hatch: farging icehole!
Robin Turner wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2003-06-18 at 23:32, JoeHill wrote: this guy is a *nutjob*. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2999780.stm Er, Joe, don't talk about family members like that, mate. It's not nice. (grin) The guy's a liberal wuss. Targetting computers is not what we need, we need to go after the criminals themselves, and the solution is Black ICE. The next generation of Palladium should include a Trustworthy Computing feature which would cause epileptic fits in users who attempted to use pirated material or illegal hacker software such as Linux. Sir Robin I've just posted an extended version of this fantasy on my web journal ( www.livejournal.com/users/solri ). It's just after the piece about SCO suing Sams and O'Reilly for pirating the code to Hello World. Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT, new game for linux ppl!
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 21:30, JoeHill wrote: On 19 Jun 2003 16:53:53 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Er, copy them where? I believe the installer creates /usr/something/games/wolf/main copy the pak files to main. Already done this arvo. Been playing. Now I'm trying to figure out a way to get Alice to run... (Without WineX) IIRC Alice will work on the vanilla wine (haven't played for some time, but I don't think I had winex installed then). If you're talking about running it in methodist mode (i.e. no wine at all) I wish you luck. Hmmm, maybe it's time I played that game again. Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Forbes can *@$ my *#$
Technoslick wrote: You gotta wonder about journalists that don't have feedback buttons on their articles. License to kill without accountability or remorse. There is a link for feedback at the bottom of the page. I've used it, and I recommend that we all do so. BTW, what is a crunchie? Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just when you think it's safe
Richard Urwin wrote: On Wednesday 18 Jun 2003 4:05 am, Aron Smith wrote: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20030617/ap_on_hi_te/down loading_music Just when you think that Politicians can't get any dumber A small part of me says go ahead. Just think of all those Windows users out there without the CDs, because they bought a mass-produced machine. Just imagine all the Linux users sitting pretty because no code from the net runs as administrator, and no open-source downloader/player will implement the required functionality. Imagine the number of false positives. Imagine the bad press for M$. Imagine the international law-suites (The whole thing would be illegal in the UK, for a start.) Imagine all the Linux users setting up an M$ system and then letting it get trashed on purpose as a false positive. See http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~bcd/humor/startrek.war.html The idea of hacking exemption is interesting, though. With regard to physical conflict, the law allows me to inflict physical damage on someone who is trying to inflict physical damage on me, or in other words, if someone hits me, I can hit him back. If this principle were to be applied to IT, hacker exemption for entertainment companies could be the thin end of a very thick wedge. For example, as a Linux user, I may suffer damages as a result of SCOs attempts to intimidate Linux companies as a sideline to it's IBM suit. If SCOs scare tactics are deemed illegal (as they already are in Germany), the hacker exemption principle would mean that I then have a legal right to damage SCO computers which are involved in these illegal activities. Then there's the case of Microsoft, who have been found guilty of criminal business pracitces (forget the DoJ case, they've been found guilty ofsoftware piracy, and were fined 6,000,000 Francs in a French court for it). Presumably, hacker exemption would mean that anyone who has suffered from Microsoft's illegal acitivities (i.e. almost anyone who uses a PC) has the right to damage their computers. Interesting. -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie]OT again, Chess Game: a personal plea/whine/rant/whatever
Curt Tresenriter wrote: On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:31:33 -0600 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't usually ask for recommendations unless i'm stuck..and well I am. This will get somewhat personal so bear with me please. At the end of the day, everything is personal. My preference for Linux over Windows, or Perl over python is personal. I happen to have multiple learning disabilities. yehaw. made school fun. Thats beside the point though. All my life I've enjoyed chess. Problem: my logical skills suck and i have a spatial relations learning disability + ADD. Makes it extremely difficult to concentrate figure out a spatial game like chess. sigh. To top it off, I have a math disability chess is rather math oriented believe it or not...more logic but you get the idea. Anyway to make along story short: I can't beat a 5 year old at the game. Simple as that. However it was suggested to me many years ago by a person who knows alot about LD's my particular problems that chess is a good way to sort of work around my problems. Problem again: Every chess game assumes too much knowledge for me to get down to brass tacks learn it. Its fine for hte game to teach me how a rook moves for example but extending that knowledge beyond that to figuring out how to capture with it safely is hitting another LD in my fucked up brain. :( So i've only frustrated myself by trying various programs over the years to learn the damn game so I can at least play well enough to combat my LD's. On a side note, having all these stupid LD's doesn't make my chosen profession easier either... i'm a jewellers Padawan Learner often spatial relations skills are necessary to do my job. Its time I learned to better myself work around my problems rather than rely on others to do it for me. That seems like a logical approach. Ty for reading my rant... sigh... normally by now I'd be in tears over my frustration but i'm resolved to beat this get on with my life... I just need a bit of help. A heartfelt Thank You to all who come forward to reply help. :) Who could fail to respond to that one? Much nicer than This app/distro/OS doesn't do what I want so it sucks, but if you developers write me the features I want I might consider using it! When I was a pre-teen, I was a real chess freak. I bought expensive books on openings, I subscribed to a chess magazine, I was the captain of the school chess team, I even tried to make my own chess set from an epoxy resin kit. I eventually realised that I would never be much good at chess - I had the strategey off to a tee (no one could beat me when it came to controlling diagonals) but in a match I would always make some stupid mistake, like leaving my queen unprotected. Chess has an obvious spatial aspect, but it's much more linear than it seems - you need to be able to trace lines of possible moves well into the future, and remember what you've just done at the same time. If you're interested in developing your spatial abilities in an enjoyable way, I recommend Go. The rules are very simple, but the fact that it's based on geometric patterns on a 19x19 board makes gameplay infinitely complex. Back in the 1970s, when chess programs were starting to beat grandmasters, Go programs were still trying to make legal moves and learn basic tactics (around 1978, my brother wrote a Go program that could play legally and not do anything totally stupid on a reduced-size board, and he was very proud of it). Also as a padawan jeweller, I think you'd like the aesthetic aspect of Go- for reasons no one is sure of, the end result of a game played between two masters looks nicer than a game played between amateurs. The first Go-player I met said Sometimes I make a move just because I think a point would look good with one of my stones on it. There are Go programs and Internet clients available for Linux. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Info With a Ball and Chain
JoeHill wrote: On 17 Jun 2003 14:44:59 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: http://www.msnbc.com/news/926304.asp?0si The open source community will never accept DRM, and will never build it into their software. The worst case scenario, as you have pointed out, is still not very attractive. That it will be *illegal* to produce software that is not DRM enabled. Possible but unlikely. I can see a few ignorant/bought US senators going for it, but the EU? No way, especially with Germany's third largest city running Linux. So, for that matter, do the NSA and the Department of Homeland Security. In that case, we will all become rebel outlaws, a position I most heartily accept, as I know you do. Let me be a criminal. Let them put me in prison for using a non-DRM-enabled OS on my PC. How many prisons are they going to build? Are they going to put Linus Torvalds in prison? The next Nelson Mandela, LOL, his arrest record would be hacked out of existence in seconds, the entire judiciary would be shut down within a day. To paraphrase a great man, they know not what they do, and who is going to do it back to them IN SPADES... The idea of Linus in prison, although far-fetched, is extremely amusing, as would be the backlash. Most of the Internet runs on Apache, and if there's one thing Linux hackers know well, it's Apache. Another thing to keep in mind though, the geeks are always one step ahead of the technocrats. They simply do not understand what they are dealing with. The last time they issued a challenge to crack their digital watermark (that took them months to build), the data came back cracked in under a day? And how long do you think it would take to get around those encrypted e-mails? Interesting. Got a link? The phone company has been combatting phreaks for how long now? I didn't know phone phreaking was still going - I first read about it in the 1970s, and assumed it had been eclipsed by the Internet. Microsoft does not have enough brains to figure out basic security after over 30 years in operation. They will never outpace the hackers among us. Amen to that. But I still think the important thing is the legit side - making alternatives, informing the public, fighting legal battles and so on. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 02:08, JoeHill wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:02:44 +0300 manolis [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: how can I preload it ? I have mandrake 9.1 and I am using OO very often... thanks in advance Sorry, I don't go within 6 miles of Gnome or KDE. But if you check on the OO site, there is an FAQ which I *believe* explains this. If not, Google: openoffice + open faster. There's a utility for Gnome/KDE called, er, Oooq or something similar - I remember Sir Robin mentioning it - I downloaded it and installed it, but after the first time, I didn't want to use it anymore. It preloads Oo and gives you quick start options...lesseee...what's it called... AH - oooqs-1.0-0.rc3.2mdk.586.rpm ...got it offa one of the contrib mirrors...reckon it mighta been Planetmirror... It's worth having if you're using 1.0 and have the spare RAM. 1.1 Beta seems to be quicker. From the command line soffice on its own opens the program without a document (this may change back to the 1.0 default of opening with a blank document). It takes 12 seconds on my home machine (PII 366MHz, 224MB RAM). soffice --quickstart opens with a document based on the default template, which as I have it set up is the same thing as soffice -n /user/templates/nalan.stw It takes 17 seconds. This is noticably faster than 1.0 without quickstart (which I don't use on my home machine, since I need all the RAM I can get for serious stuff like eye-candy). On my office machine (PIII 1GHz, 256MB RAM), it opens in about the same time as 1.0 with Quickstart enabled. Moral: get 1.1. It's still at Beta2, but the Linux version seems pretty stable. Most of the problems I've seen on the users list are about Windows builds (no surprise there). Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Microshot in the foot ?
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Recently we had a discussion on virus (pluralis : vira). Sorry to be pedantic, but the plural of virus in English is viruses. The -a suffix is the plural for, IIRC, second declension neuter nouns. If you want the Latin plural, it's viri (NOT virii - that would ony be the case if the singular were virius). Latin is a horrible language. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Microshot in the foot ?
Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:52 pm, Robin Turner wrote: Kaj Haulrich wrote: Recently we had a discussion on virus (pluralis : vira). Sorry to be pedantic, but the plural of virus in English is viruses. The -a suffix is the plural for, IIRC, second declension neuter nouns. If you want the Latin plural, it's viri (NOT virii - that would ony be the case if the singular were virius). Latin is a horrible language. OK Stephen and sir Robin, thanks for the correction. Nevertheless it still puzzles me, why M$ pulls those virus-filters off the net ? One could say that Linux mailservers with RAV on them act like vacuumcleaners in a very dusty room (the Net). By turning them off all the viri in the world will hit those windows-boxes like flies are attracted to other kinds of s***. Good point. Why should people running Linux go out of their way to protect people running Windows? Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spammers
rikona wrote: Hello Dennis, Sunday, June 8, 2003, 2:38:24 PM, you wrote: DM Well I don't get much spam, but spamassassin has now been set up DM to use bysean (spelling?) algorythms and has caught 100% of the DM spam I have been sent. A question: does SA come with a separate set of 'rules', as SpamBouncer did? If not, how is it updated? Does the entire program get updated to keep up with the spammers? IIRC it uses Vipul's razor. Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re : Mandrake 9.1 sound
Johan Scheepers wrote: Hi, I have a ALS4000 sound card Mandrake did 9.0 pick up and it worked fine. Mandrake 9.1 seem to pick it but does not install?? / configure??? it. Going thruogh control center - its there - but no dice. Are you sure it's a lack of detection/configuration and not the notorious aumix mute problem? Run aumix and unmute channels if necessary. If that doesn't work, try dropping out of X and running sndconfig. Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
The Other wrote: On Saturday 07 June 2003 05:07 pm, Cody Harris wrote: Can someone come up with a few good reasons to switch from XP to Linux? Someone wants to know the pros and cons and why he should switch. -Cody Harris 06/07/03 1. My current system was designed from components I selected in the Spring of 1998. At that time Win98 wasn't out yet, or if it was I didn't have the $100+ to upgrade to it. I did get a copy of Windows NT 4.0 for the ability to run programs in their own space, so that one crashing app wouldn't take down the entire machine. How many flavors of Windows have been released since 1998? Take that number and multiply by $100+ to keep your Operating System current. I spent $80 for Mandrake 9.1 Power Pack, and I've already got it set up to keep the Operating System current from free downloads on the Internet. How much will that save me over the next 5 years if I had stayed with Windows? 2. I have no hard evidence to support this theory, but my gut tells me that the hardware drivers in Linux are tighter code than in Windows. Linux drivers seem to offer better performance than the comparable Windows driver. I speculate this might be because Linux is not a profit driven Operating System. This is significant. The driver writers are not faced with production deadlines. This allows them to take their time, test extensively, and tweak the code to the ninth degree. As a result the code is smaller and more efficient with less logic errors (bugs). I also speculate the Linux driver coders are doing it out of a labor of love. They have the hardware and they want Linux to be able to talk to it. 3. From my very brief look into the Linux world and the Open ?Source? concept, the documentation for the kernel and the drivers are made public to everyone. This allows talented programmers from around the world to develop code that will integrate with another's code. It's a worldwide community of programmers all following the same development guidelines. The final code versions should be very stable given the thousands of users/testers. Windows will never have the ability to have this amount of extensive testing. Summarizing my main selling points are: 1) Linux code is better, and 2) the Linux price is better. However, if you are dealing with computer illiterate people, a version of Windows is probably better since Windows development has evolved to make a desktop that is as human proof as possible. Not so - Windows generally allows the user to cause untold damage. OK, with XP, there are ways of limiting that, but I hear most users don't employ them. When my workmates sit down at my Linux box, I always reassure them - Don't worry, it's impossible for you to do any damage. In contrast, I remember when the school I was working in in 1992 got it's first computer, running Windows 3.1, IIRC. The director banned any of use from using it until he'd had a week to work out the system and find any pitfalls - he didn't want us proles breaking it. Two days later, it had to be sent back to the vendor because with a few fatal mourse clicks, he'd deleted the entire contents of C: drive. Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 11:13, Aron Smith wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 15:53, JoeHill wrote: On 08 Jun 2003 08:15:25 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: 1.) Cost 2.) Support 3.) Security 4.) Control 5.) Stability 6.) Features 7.) Multifunctionality without overhead cost 8.) Performance 9.) Installation time 10.) Customisation 11.) Comes with 3 GB of pr0n. You must be running the D.O.M (Dirty Old Man ) Edition where can I get it? Sir Robin and I are going to market this new distro. From the beginning of the installation all through it's casual usage, it's aimed at being totally pr0n centred - even the themes are pr0n based. Not only does it come with all the normal bells and whistles, but we've renamed the beloved Tux to _ux, renamed Sylpheed to Syphillis, and more. Also comes with 10 complimentary CD's of international pr0n - each main CD focusing on a particular cultures sexual tastes. Instead of buttons, you have tits'n'arse to click on. Mouse pointers are actually penises. Normal system beeps and bells have been replaced with groans, moans and screams. When KDE starts up, you hear Oh God, it's coming! It's coming! It's - AAHHH - it's done! Hey, how did my name get in there? Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Startup progs
Derek Jennings wrote: On Friday 30 May 2003 9:03 am, Kalle Saarinen wrote: hello, I need to start my MySQL at boot time. I'm using runlevel 3 so I think that I have to create link from /etc/rc3.d to /init.d/mysql to start the daemon right? How do I create the link? Thanks -Kalle The simple way is run drakxservices and tick the box for 'start at boot' for mysql It will make links for run level 3 and 5 for you. Drakxservices works in GUI or command line modes. How does Drakxservices decide what services are available? If I download or write something that I want to have running in the background, is there a way I can tell Drazxservices that it exists? Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xine Tutorials
LeaAnne Kolp wrote: Hi all, I've been away for awhile but I wanted to tell ya that the Linux Tutorials are back up on my site if you need help with playing DVDs in Xine or help setting up PINE. More will be added, but those are all I have at the moment. Anyway, here's the link: http://www12.brinkster.com/cowgirlk/tdesk.asp Keep up the good work - How can I play DVDs in Linux? is top-of-the-FAQs (I waded through dozens of HOTOs some years ago, then gave up and bought a standalone DVD player). I didn't know people with double-barrelled first names (Leeanne, MaryJo, Billy-Bob etc.) could write tech stuff ;-) The salsa recipe looks good too, but what is cilantro? Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: UK councils dump Windows for Linux
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 08:09, Robin Turner wrote: The kind of people who drink Earl Grey generally don't eat jellied eels, and vice versa - it's a class thing. Sir Robin Well, then this is revised: The Earl Grey drinkers that love scones and jam and The Guiness drinkers that love jellied eels - is that more Class correct? Yep, that's pretty much it. Personally, I've never scene a jellied eel in my life, but that's not a class thing, it's that eels are a southern dish, as far as I can tell. Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reasons for Linux
Steven Broos wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 00:18, walt wrote: 1) runs faster Questionable.Depending on how your Linux system is set up (services, wm etc.), XP may well run faster. 2) takes up less hard drive space Again, that depends on your system. 3) takes less time to load on to your computer and you practically have everything you need without loading a lot of other programs on it Definitely. I reinstalled Windows recently, and after breathing a sigh of relief when it finally installed correctly, I groaned as I realised that I then had to install a load of other stuff if I actually wanted it to do anything. 4) dont need to keep rebooting 5) Doesn't have a EULA which gives some company the right to inspect and alter the contents of your hard disk. 6) Doesn't contain spyware. Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] In a fix with Postfix
Can anyone tell me how I can configure postfix so that it only sends mail to one user (i.e. me)? The man page confused the hell out of me. Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie]
Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 05 Jun 2003 1:25 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Robin Turner wrote: Sir Robin I must be the only person here who actually likes KDE Not the only one. John Out of curiosity, Robin. Does Ice still not allow any desktop icon/links? I think it does, but you have to put them in manually (i.e. create or copy an icon, put it in the appropriate directory and put an entry in a config file somewhere - not something for your average Windows refugee to mess with). Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KDE logout
Does anyone know which file governs whether the logout window gives a full set of options (reboot etc.) or just logout/cancel? On my office machine the former always come up, but at home I usually get the latter, but it occasionally switches to the former for no obvious reason. I've tried using MCC to allow users to restart, but with no effect. Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE logout
Troy Davidson wrote: Sir Robin, I have the same question. I think that the answer is in autologin. If you autologin, you only get the logout/cancel window. But, if you do a normal login you will get the full logout window. The times that I have seen the full logout window with autologin is if I have switched users. I'll be interrested to see if anyone has any solution to this. Troy Davidson Linux User #311107 ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** If that's the case, then it's a bit silly. I'm sure most of those who use autologin do so because they are the sole users on their machines, so if they log out, it's because they want to shut down or reboot into that other operating system. Sir Robin Quoting Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know which file governs whether the logout window gives a full set of options (reboot etc.) or just logout/cancel? On my office machine the former always come up, but at home I usually get the latter, but it occasionally switches to the former for no obvious reason. I've tried using MCC to allow users to restart, but with no effect. Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE logout
Dennis Myers wrote: Quoting Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know which file governs whether the logout window gives a full set of options (reboot etc.) or just logout/cancel? On my office machine the former always come up, but at home I usually get the latter, but it occasionally switches to the former for no obvious reason. I've tried using MCC to allow users to restart, but with no effect. Here is my solution, go to the KDE control center and select login manageradministrator mode usersselect only or hidden (your choice) and add your user name by putting a x in the box. Pick an image for your user and then click apply and you should get the login and log out you are looking for. Play with it to see what suits u. HTH Worked once, then went back to the old logout dialogue. Weird. Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] kppp questions
Well, I solved the login on startup problem with a simple workaround - changed from kppp to wvdial. In case anyone's interested, here's a mini-howto. 1. Become root 2. Install wvdial $ urpmi wvdial 3. Generate the configuration file $ cd /etc $ wvdialconf wvdial.conf (note there is a dot in the second one, not the first) 4. Make wvdial.conf writable (they don't tell you this in the man pages!) 5. Edit wvdial.conf, filling in your username, password and the number you dial into. If you want any other options, see man wvdial.conf. 6. If your ISP requires that you specify the IP number of its nameserver, edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/net_resolv.default to include the line: nameserver 139.179.10.13 (changing the number, of course) Note: do not edit /etc/resolv.conf, as this gets overwritten at boot time. 7. If you want automatic login at boot time, add a line to /etc/inittab like mine:2345:respawn:/usr/bin/wvdial (there's probably a more elegant way to do this by making wvdial a service and putting it in one of the rc files) 8. Don't do any of the above if you have a pay-by-the-minute connection ;-) Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Qt (= Qt 2.2.2) (libraries) not found.???
Veldrin X wrote: mdk 9.1 while i am compiling qterm 0.2.0, i use the following configuration ./configure --with-qt-includes=/usr/lib/qt3/include --with-qt-dir=/usr/lib/qt3 --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib/qt3/lib the qt-dir and the includes-dir are right but it tells this: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (= Qt 2.2.2) (libraries) not found. Please check your installation! i have installed the following packages properly: libqt3-3.1.1-13mdk.i586.rpm libqt3-common-3.1.1-13mdk.i586.rpm libqt3-devel-3.1.1-13mdk.i586.rpm I had problems with locations of Qt files some time back - Mandrake stores them in a different place to RH. Check they are really in the paths you specified; if not try rpm -ql on your packeages to find where they are. Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
