CS[List Owner] Mike Monett
Dear group, Thanks to the several of you who sent me heads-up messages. Mike M. appears to have suffered another of his periodic meltdowns and has resorted to inexcusable ad-hominem attacks. As well, given the rarity of my appearances here of late, he seems to have developed a sense of mission to protect the group from any opinions other than his own, leading to a general stifling of healthy discussion -- to the point that one member expressed to me their dismay that I had left him in charge of the group... sigh. He has done some interesting and challenging work, and it would be good to be able to continue to learn from his results. Though blessedly rare here, this is not the first case where the dissemination of promising information has foundered on the rocks of a failure of diplomacy or cooperation. I've removed and blocked him from the list, until such time as he convinces me he's sorted out his internal problems, coming to understand what behavior is expected of our members, and that he can share his results without allusions to omniscience or exclusive truth. Sorry for the delay in responding, and my frequent absence. I continue to be preoccupied with several health issues (not addressible by CS use, unfortunately). While I am making progress, ongoing vision problems prevent me from doing more than sampling list traffic, so it's easy to miss things, including the overall drift of the atmosphere of the place. I'm sorry I let that occur in this instance. Thank you all for your patience and allowing me to rely on your steady mindfulness of each others' wellbeing and the purpose of the group. Be well, Mike D. silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Don't Go? How 'bout don't argue?
Hi folks, Thought I'd step in here before things deteriorated. Thanks to the couple of you who gave me a heads-up on the situation. D. Glover, First, I think you've mis-connected two different folks. Neville, with whom you seem to have a disagreement, is NOT the fellow who mentioned the meter that he sells. That's Trem Williams, a seasoned member of the list and one of the very small handful of manufacturers of CS generators who has proven over the years to be temperamentally suited to long-term participation in our group. He shares what he knows without undue self-promotion, and his input is *always* welcome. Neville doesn't sell anything as far as I know. He's just a punter, as he describes it, like most of us on the list. grin The point he was making is that our interests here tend to gravitate towards a simpler, home-user approach that does not demand the strict reproduceability or demanding production standards that hospital use would. I make my CS on the kitchen table in a quart canning jar, and it works just fine, thank you! I've had to crack the whip over Neville once or twice in the past for his less-than-diplomatic approach, and this may be the latest occasion for me to do just that. but I think it could be very valuable to you to realize that for the people on this list, in terms of the consensus of nearly a decade and a half of experience and study, a couple of the things you have taken to be true are not applicable to the kind of CS preparation we are talking about here. Our more technically inclined members have, over time, gravitated towards a lower current density for production than you're using -- high surface area, low current, longer brew time. The result, i.e., what Neville is labelling as properly made CS, does NOT require storage in the dark, appears to NOT be effected by magnets, remains stable for months and even years (after a couple of days to stabilize its composition), and has proven for hundreds of users to be perfectly effective and functional. And if you inquire, I'm sure one or more of our resident experts will share their best understanding of exactly what it is that's made by this process and why it appears to be stable and effective. Admittedly, given the state of public- and corporate-funded research in this world, the CS we make is not anywhere near as well characterized or it's activitiy as fully understood as we'd all like, but I'm sure that's a situation with which you are *very* familiar. We have some pretty good guesses, though, as you will find if you ask. Neville? Please don't impute motives to Mr. Glover that obviously don't apply. He's not selling anything and does not intend to mislead anybody. And your tone can be enough to get anybody's back up, so don't take that as further proof of said ulterior motives. Meanwhile, Mr. Glover, please understand that an important PART of the mission of this list is to encourage new folks to make and use their own CS, and that the extra effort you expend in your production process would only serve to discourage the average new person from even attempting it. While I appreciate and respect the virtues of the generator design you've developed, I'd rather a hundred folks make it in a jar on the kitchen counter than only one of them surviving to implement the level of production controls that you have. Once they've got something that works, they can always improve things later, right? As for the list mission, it most certainly includes anything you'd care to share with us as to clinical applications and results you've managed to facilitate. That kind of experience is priceless, and I wish you the best of success in your efforts. So, can we declare a truce and perhaps initiate a new process of mining the brain trust here, for everyone's benefit? Peace, Mike D. Silver List owner 'Should we let this die a natural death now?' You say. Understand this; (you don't seem to be able to understand this point which I have already made) a guy asked about uS readings, and he did not even refer to the meter you sell at all, which I never even knew existed either, so you have no cause to feel personally vilified in some way by my advice to that gentleman concerning TDS meters. Rightly, you should have written directly to educate firstly that man who asked that question by letting him, and everyone else via your communication to him, that you produce a different type of meter that you believe can resolve his problem, then you could have recommended your product to him, if that is something that is acceptable on this forum, but that is what you did in a devious and thoroughly unpleasant and round about manner anyway after you attacked my understanding and methodology of making silver sol, and you are trying to sell something here, not me, you are the person with commercial products for sale, not me. The guy asking the question was not even talking about the type
CSA glimmer of hope
I'm forwarding this for Tom, stripping HTML formatting that made it too big for the message size limit of the list. It is an intriguing message. Peace, Mike D. --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:17:26 -0800 From: Tom Poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:A glimmer of hope Over the past six months I have been working with a group of terminally ill people. I was asked to provide some help when a drug, currently in Phase II clinical trials, provided not only a stop of the progression of this disease, but some people were actually regaining function that they had previously lost as a result of the disease. The drug is NP001. It is made from a chemical that many may be familiar with, sodium chlorite. The problem with a drug trial is that they exclude people from the trial. Efforts were made to broaden the acceptance criteria, some progress was made, but still many were left out of the trial. While the main reason was that they lived in an area that was outside the trial locations, another reason was the progression of the disease in their bodies. NP001 is administered via IV injection. I explained that there is more than one way to get chlorite into the body and that while it is not as efficient as IV injection, drinking a solution of chlorite will result in some chlorite getting into the blood stream. A group of these people suffering from this disease decided to run an experiment on themselves. Efforts have been made to get the medical community involved and these have not been totally successful, so far. They have provided support in the form of check ups and blood work designed to monitor for any adverse effects of participating in the experiment, but ethics and legal ramifications prevent them from getting too involved with this. A research neurologist was kind enough to explain to me that anecdotal evidence over a period of days to weeks is usually thought of as being the result of the placebo effect. However, anecdotal evidence that continues to show positive results with the same people over a period of months to years is much harder to dismiss as placebo. Testing done that supports the positive effect also helps. I was also informed that when the results are spectacular the general bias is to question the original diagnosis. This experiment is coming up on six months now. The positive benefits seem to be holding on, so I think there is now a glimmer of hope. Keep in mind that the group involved in this experiment is small. There are about 35 people that are openly vocal about it, and about that number again that are quietly participating. Also, not everyone is showing improvement. Not knowing a lot about this disease I asked the group this question. Chlorite is a free radical oxidizer. It does nothing to rebuild the body. What are you going to do to rebuild your bodies after the progression of this disease is slowed down or stopped? The answer I received was. Well, the question was not answered. I asked again. This time I was informed that nothing had ever been successful in stopping the progression of this disease, so this question had never come up. During this holiday time it is very exciting to see this glimmer of hope permeate the group, and to see some of their focus change to how to rebuild the body. The changes are not drastic, but incremental. No one has jumped out of a wheel chair and started running down the street. However, to someone who has lost function in their hands or arms or legs, suddenly having some function restored and seeing this restored function continue over time is remarkable. On May 2 1939 Lou Gehrig benched himself after playing 2130 consecutive baseball games with the NY Yankees. His health had deteriorated to the point where he was no longer able to play well. Addressing the crowd before a July 4 1939 game, Lou Gehrig told people that he was the Luckiest Man on the Face of the Earth. Two years later on June 2 1941 Lou Gehrig died of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. ALS is the illness that the people involved with this experiment are suffering from. This glimmer of hope started with the drug trial that lead to the oral experiment. The purpose of the experiment is to help people live long enough to be able to use the drug. There appears to be a willingness of the FDA to speed things along, but the process will most likely take a few years and people who are diagnosed with ALS have an average expected life span of three years. I don't think the FDA can speed things along that fast. In loose side to side comparisons it appears that the drug is far more effective. The oral solution helps and seems to be able to halt or radically slow down the progression of ALS, but the results from the drug
RE: CS0.3uS Distilled water at Savemart
Dear Dee, PT, Others will chime in on this as well, but I'll be the first... grin Since your meter only measures ions in the water, things that dissolve without becoming ions are not measured. Try adding some sugar to distilled water. Does the reading go up? (Be sure to thoroughly rinse the end of your meter afterwards.) Sugar dissolves, but the molecules stay in one piece, rather than breaking up into ions. On the other hand, salt, sodium chloride, NaCl, breaks up into Na+ and Cl- ions, which your meter *will* detect. Silver ions, Ag+ are also detected, but neutral silver species, Ag(metal) and maybe certain oxides and other chemical forms, wont be. The other concern is that even ionic forms of extremely potent toxins could be present in dangerous amounts that are below the detection range of your meter, as well. How much plasticizer is too much, eh? I don't know. Got plutonium oxide? Nasty stuff, and dangerously toxic in amounts way smaller than a fraction of a ppm, totally apart from it's radiological properties. So, while none of this says that you *have* any contaminants in your water, your meter readings aren't conclusive evidence that you don't -- just that it's probably good enough, all other things being equal and with reasonable care being taken. Dave's point about plasticizers is a reasonable one. Distilled water is really one of the toughest storage problems you'll commonly come across. You just have to decide for yourself if the plasticizer issue is important enough to you to justify the additional expense and effort. Peace, Mike D. This is my experience also. PT -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:48 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS0.3uS Distilled water at Savemart I *put* my home-made distilled water into plastic bottles and the silver always reads '0' on the meter and I'm sure it wouldn't if it contained plastic toxins. dee On 27 Oct 2011, at 03:58, D Glover wrote: As long as it is sold in a glass bottle then it is safe Don't buy anything acidic in plastic full stop, and water must be in 12 minimum, especially distilled, as that will leach out plastic into the water really fast, and molecular chains of that stuff gets wound around and integrated into your cellular tissue.Best regards,Dave [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNice opportunity...
oopsie! Spam! Removed from list. Will wait to see if there's a real member behind that address and they contact me... Mike D. whats up! I thought I had reached the end of the road I havent missed a payment since I found this now theres no looking back its so easy to learn http://www.amdclub.ru/go.php?vubupref=aol.comhdparm=twitter.comurl=wo rkathome12.net/esubmit/bizopp_main.php talk to you later [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSplease unsubscribe me
Thanks for the kind words, friends. I'm in Korea at the moment and wanted to temporarily unsubscribe so my inbox wouldn't be overwhelmed with emails. It's sometimes hard to do email when I'm traveling. I planned to subscribe on my return. In any case, it's a moot point since Mike didn't respond. I'll be back online on a regular basis on Sept. 29th. Oh yes he did! grin Stay safe and well in your travels, Nenah. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Whew!
Hi folks, Whew! Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his venture. That got a bit out of hand near the end, while my attention was elsewhere. Sorry. Thanks for handling it as well as you all did. sigh I only hope that he will now accomplish the stated goals of his efforts and publish a free design that folks can test and verify. If it works significantly better than other equally simple designs, great. If there's something better waiting to be found, that is a wonderful thing. Meanwhile, we have the good results and extensive experience of the last, what, 14 years or so? Improvements to that record will indeed need to be something very good. I would appreciate if those interested in following his development work report back here from time to time to keep us informed. Here's hoping letting ourselves be picked over for ideas did some good. grin Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSplease unsubscribe me
Sol asks: Is there not a no-mail setting for this list? Not really, ma'am. If you wanted to read the list at the archives, you could, but in order to be able to post, you'd have to be subscribed, and thus getting the e-mail messages anyway. For what Nenah wanted to do, unsubbing is the only real option. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Whew!
Dear Tel, Way to go Mike, I tough the site was going to explode ? No, no, no... lol I didn't do a thing. He left under his own power. grin Well, I heard it all before with others who are not here anymore. I'll cut him slack since he's adamantly not doing it for commercial motives. As long as things remain *reasonably* tame, I'd be willing to tolerate his foibles in hopes the project comes to fruition. Time will tell. Thanks Mike for all you do ! Such as it is and what there is of it. smile You're welcome. Peace, M. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFlora effects...
Neville writes: P.S. Regarding the 'friendly flora', I've consumed and administered on occasion 500ml plus every day for several days and I, nor the person I administered it to, have ever experienced any affects on that flora. Perhaps it depends on what solution is ingested? Shop bought, or home produced? LVDC or HVAC produced? High ion content as opposed to high particle content? Plus the many other product variations available? I think the key to your success is you didn't keep doing it for long enough. Believe me, when you manage to wipe your flora the effects are noticeable! I wager you can get by for several days but doing it for a few *weeks* would have a good chance of doing the deed. Just for future reference! grin Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Caution, please... Mike, David, Jason, others...
Greetings folks! Long time since I've had to wade into the list on this kind of mission! Thank you for that fact, and to the several members who gave me the heads-up so promptly. In catching up with the messages I was a bit surprised and disappointed to see the first intemperate remarks coming from Jason, of all people, in his too-vigorous rebuttal of Mike Monett's speculations about possible hazards of nebulizing CS. (Jason, if by chance the order of things in my mail program distorted the sequence of events and you feel there was some other provocation besides his nebulizing assertion, feel free to let me know.) I tend to agree that nebulizing has an excellent track record, and that Mike's statements were an example of unwarranted certituded by logic rather than empirical evidence: Much clinical AND anecdotal experience plus known information about the actual solubility of the supposedly insoluble silver compounds involved, lead me to doubt Mike's assertions. Here's the problem when folks with a lot of training, experience, and/or expertise with overlapping but not congruent competencies start stepping into each others' areas of interest and on each others' toes: The next thing you know we've got external genital appendages wagging around and egos engaged, and all progress goes out the window! Stop it! Now, Mike, I want to address you specifically: I think your specifications for the device are wonderfully crafted and your intention of releasing it to the public domain and seeking its widespread use by the neediest are an exquisite example of the merging of responsible engineering and activism. Thank you, it's a good plan. But keep in mind that the universe and the powers that be will be more than happy to sabotage such humane intentions and the first place it will try to do this is within you... Want to collaborate successfully with folks from this group? Use our forum to help promote your project? Great! You're welcome. DON'T, however, let yourself succumb to the temptation to engage with both fists the moment somebody steps on your toes. People WILL disagree on things, including things you hold dear. Let them. The truth will carry the day, for or against your ideas. That's as it should be. Your nastiness to David A. was uncalled for and unprovoked. He's well within the charter of the group, and you're not the referee of what's appropriate, nor are you in a competent position to judge the circumstances he is dealing with. Be supportive or leave it be. Jonathan effectively raised the same reasonable questions about nebulizing peroxide that you are concerned with -- without the ad- hominem that sabotages your credibility and effectiveness. Take his example to heart. All right, I used all the big words I could think of, just to make sure all you experts could 'grok' what I'm saying. grin Let's see if we can actually stay on target and stop chaos from winning, just this once, okay? Peace, Mike D. List owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFlora effects...
Dave writes: Mike: Would ten years ,mostly using it for drinking water,be long enough? Never had a gut problem. Well, hearing all the contra-experiences, makes me wonder if it was because I was doing that back in the bad old days before we'd refined the methods we now use to make our CS/EIS. The stuff I had been using at that time was probably higher ppm and more particulate than the low ppm ionic stuff we're making now. So just maybe I'd sent enough non-reactive large silver particles through the stomach to make it to the intestine, where it was just barely soluble enough to do the deed. I'll tell you, though, when you wipe your flora, you might be good for a few days, but some of those bugs are needed to properly assimilate some of your essential B-vitamins and calcium. When I started getting continuous cramps in the big muscles of my upper legs as well as just about everywhere else, I darn well knew something was amiss. Turns out that's a perfect description of the symptoms of severe calcium deficiency, and calcium uptake requires the proper flora. So I sent my wife to the store to buy me one of those calcium supplemented orange juices. A couple of cups of that and within an hour or two the acute phase passed and my muscles were happy again. whew! Peace, Mike D. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:10 AM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Neville writes: P.S. Regarding the 'friendly flora', I've consumed and administered on occasion 500ml plus every day for several days and I, nor the person I administered it to, have ever experienced any affects on that flora. Perhaps it depends on what solution is ingested? Shop bought, or home produced? LVDC or HVAC produced? High ion content as opposed to high particle content? Plus the many other product variations available? I think the key to your success is you didn't keep doing it for long enough. Believe me, when you manage to wipe your flora the effects are noticeable! I wager you can get by for several days but doing it for a few *weeks* would have a good chance of doing the deed. Just for future reference! grin Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Caution, please... Mike, David, Jason, others...
Dear Jason, Thanks for the response... After three emails of personal insults from Mike, long before the nebulizer issue, I simply got tired of the escalating language. I counted this message as the first one with (mildly) intemperate language... http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg142564.html Are you saying you took the previous 2 or 3 messages from Mike in that thread to be... condescending, shall we say? Okay, then I can see how you might feel the response in your message above was provoked. It's just that you'd handled the previous exchanges in the thread so graciously I guess I missed the sound of gritted teeth. sigh If I can't tell someone in a stern polite voice that I don't appreciate being personally insulted, and that I'm done with the situation, I'm not sure what you'd expect me to do. I think by the time you got to this message, you had ample justification, if it's the one you're talking about... http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg142579.html If you look at the comments he made to Jonathan and David, they are not only equally unjustified, but very bullying. Agreed. I don't like bullies, and I don't tolerate bullying, even when the school principal isn't looking. Please take a few moments and review Mike's posts for the last two days. Done, believe me. Thanks for helping me understand. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Mail outage...
Hey Mike -- you OK? It's been forever since you popped in on the list!! MA Hi MaryAnn, Just preoccupied with other things... and grateful for all of you keeping things on an even keel here. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Mail outage...
Hi gang, Notice from Eskimo support is that the mail server was down most of Sunday, but services were recovered by Sunday evening. This of course affects mailing lists, too. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT Chemo advice please?
Kirsteen, Dorothy, Dee, you wrote: Oh I forgot to say to Kirsteen that DMSO targets the chemo to the cancer and helps keep it from attacking the healthy tissue. Do you have any references on this, Dee? Any specific protocol? My concern, Kirsteen, is that DMSO will potentiate (strengthen the effects of) many pharmaceuticals, so I would want to know I was following a tested protocol before I used it with anything as powerful as chemo drugs. You'll be in my prayers, ma'am. Thank you all for the bountiful advice and words of encouragement. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUltrasonic cleaner trouble
Sorry Mike, I meant with no items in ie jewelry etc., just fluid. Ahh, that's sensible! lol I don't see why it should break the unit(s). I've run proper professional units with just water in them for extended periods without problems. I can't imagine that the lecithin is going to cause a problem, but without testing, how could we know? My suspicion is you got a couple of bad units... but that seems so unlikely if they're indeed a solid brand. If you get to try another one, try running it for an hour with just water, first? sigh Dunno what else to say... ...except, good luck with the Harbor Freight unit! Peace, Mike D. Normally there would be items in the cleaner with the water and, not being technical, I was just wondering whether that would make a difference. No, I always go way past the minimum level. I'm getting more convinced of it being a problem with the lecithin. The last machine a tried was a bona fide professional cleaner with a 60 minute timer and 2 year guarantee. That was broken in little over 15 minutes of continuous use and the tank temperature was below 30 degrees when it was designed to go up to 80 degrees (Centigrade). All the best Richard [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSThank you...
Hi everyone, Thank you to all for your prayers and good wishes for my brother, et. al. He came through the procedure well. The doctor was able to place a stent in the biggest of the three occluded grafts, which, combined with the other successful graft, has restored more than 50% circulation to the heart. He will go back for additional stents to be inserted in one or both the remaining grafts after he's had a month for his kidneys to recover from the iodine (dye) they inject to visualize the arteries, and to otherwise recover his strength and heal. He's home now and bouncing back much more quickly than he did from the initial bypass surgery. I've been preparing his meals and making sure he gets his various meds, though at the rate he's improving I expect him to take over much of this relatively soon. He saw his surgeon today and got good marks for the healing of his incisions. They are giving him much less pain and discomfort, thankfully. Now, how can he actually clean out his arteries and prevent a recurrence of this nonsense? He's been using the Pauling protocol for several years, and though it maybe slowed things down, it certainly didn't fix it all. Again, thank you everyone. That procedure had to go well or things could have gone downhill rapidly. It was comforting to know you were with us. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUltrasonic cleaner trouble
... So with those machines it must either be the consistency of the lecithin mixture, or the fact that there's nothing in the tank. Umm, Richard, what did you mean by there's nothing in the tank? Aren't you making your product directly in the tank of the machine? An ultrasonic cleaner does need to be full to the minimum operating line with *some* kind of liquid if it's not to damage itself. Running it empty or low is not good. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPrayer request...
Hello folks, One of the reasons I've been so quiet lately is that we're dealing with my brother's health situation. He's undergoing a critical cardiac procedure this morning, to attempt to open and place stents in at least three of the grafts he received during a quadruple bypass operation 2-1/2 weeks ago, which evidently collapsed starting Sunday morning. He's only 60 years old, and a basically good, gentle person, often bemused by this thing called... life. I've asked that divine healers and the Christ attend him along with his worldly doctors. Please send him your prayers and well-wishes. Thank you. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[list owner] Web pages down...
Hi folks, The list web site seems to have disappeared. I'll be contacting eskimo to see what's going on and get it restored. Meanwhile, if you need any assistance, let me know. Peace, Mike D. silver list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSWet weight?
Dear Neville,
As Marshall has noted, one of your sources of error would be the
syringe... It is unlikely you can measure the 5 cc's of water
repeatedly to within the accuracy of the scale, let alone measure the
addition of a few micrograms of silver on a balance that is accurate
only to milligrams.
A good exercise would be to just measure out 5 cc's of distilled water
five different times and see how much variation you get within just
that operation alone.
If you're talking 10ppm CS, that's 10 milligrams of silver in a liter,
or 50 micrograms per 5 cc's. So, the difference in mass between 5 grams
of water and 5 grams of water PLUS 50 micrograms of silver would
probably be WAY less than your errors in measuring out the water,
totally apart from the resolution of the scale, which wouldn't be able
to even see the silver weight.
It's a worthwhile experiment, and can teach a lot about orders of
magnitude, and the precision and accuracy of measurments. These are
essential to all science.
Peace,
Mike D.
Hope this doesn't come thru twice, had to cut.
Yep, sure.
2 Different solutions used: (a) 19 days old @ 12.1uS/006-7ppm, (b) 3
days old @ 18.5uS/009-010ppm.
Step 1: Ensure digital scale was zero'd and reading in grams. Praps I
could have used 'ct' or 'gs' {which I assume is 'grain'} or 'dwt' {don't
know what that is} Step 2: Weigh empty 30ml plastic medicine cup. Step
3: Syringe 5cc/ml plain DW into cup...weigh that, then subtracted cup
weight from DW. Step 4: Empty and dry cup thoroughly. Step 5: Syringe
5cc/ml EIS into cup...weight that, then subtracted cup weight from EIS.
Step 6: Subtact this result from the other.
N.
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:52:56 -0500
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
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CC: frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: CSWet weight?
Can you elaborate a bit more on your procedure?
Marshall
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Re: CSFwd: RE: Prechter: Stocks Will Plunge More than 40 Percent
Uhhh, Jim? Was this sent to the silver list by accident? grin Let's not start a thread about the stock market on the main list, please! thank you everybody! Mike Devour silver-list owner Jim wrote: let's talk about this. iwant to talk to weener, aboaut his opinion of the stability of his money. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS12 Feb - Are you aware of this ?
Hi Sandee, Did you just discover our web archives? The mail-archive site is where I've set up our list archives, sometime last year. Peace, Mike D. Hi There Mike, as you may have noted I sent an advice out re the below to the list on the 11th Feb I was just googling to find the website in England to order some more and up comes this piece of information - are you aware that this is what is going on !If not then I find it very interesting so over to you for your comments Regards Sandee CS11 Feb - Silvatec Soap !! Feb 11, 2011 ... Hi There to all - I have just used a lovely soap out of England called Silvatec - www.silvatec.org go and have a look ! ... www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg140672.html Attitude is everything $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d56bf45ddba9357a14st01vuc [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] A few things...DMSO timing
Hi Mike, How long after one has put DMSO on skin would it still have carrying potential? EG., if I put DMSO and CS on a wound on my hand and later wanted to put regular hand lotion on for cold-weather chapping. Thanks and be well, Léna I don't really have enough knowledge of its action to say for sure. I would imagine that Sandy's suggestion (when it's dry) is probably safe. I notice that it does remain tacky or a bit damp feeling for quite a while, moreso than just with water. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] A few things...
Hi folks, First, a reminder to those who are experimenting with DMSO: If anything you mix with it is made up of small enough molecules, it WILL go directly into the cells of your body. If it is toxic, you could have an extremely dangerous situation. So, make sure you KNOW what's in any ingredients you add to a preparation containing DMSO. If you cannot be sure that it is either safe to transport directly into every cell of your body, or certain that it is too big to be transported, DON'T TAKE THE CHANCE. Please. If anybody thinks I'm overstating the danger, please let me know. As for the, ahem, impolite exit of one member a couple of days ago, my apologies. After all that they seemed to have managed to get *themselves* unsubscribed... which I find amusing. Normally if I detect anybody having difficulties I can deal with them in a timely fashion. This one apparently didn't manage to do anything to stand out from the spam in my in-box... y'know, like e-mailing the list owner or something... sigh Another item, briefly: Please refrain from comments regarding your negative feelings towards other list members. I do NOT want to hear such remarks on the list. You're welcome to leave if you find the company unappealing. If you have such concerns you cannot deal with on your own, please contact me to discuss them. If there's anything I can do to help, I will consider it. Finally, let's not get too involved in talking about... ummm, lessee... oh, how 'bout aliens? Thanks! Mike D. silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria
I'm guessing people might be busy with the holidays right now, but I need some information quickly. Do any of you good folks have access to studies showing that colloidal silver does NOT kill beneficial bacteria? Dear Nenah, I won't be able to give you any scholarly citations, but I'll happily recap the consensus opinion... As far as we know, silver will kill any bacterium, regardless of cell morphology, if it gets into contact with it. The only known exceptions to this are strains of bacteria that have been detected near silver deposits in the ground -- and *they* lose their adaptation to high-silver environments within a very few generations of removal from those conditions. It's not a true resistance. The important word in the first paragraph is, 'contact.' The silver has to be able to reach the pathogen in order to kill it. In a liquid medium, silver performs superbly against all types, while in a solid or semi-solid medium, kill rates and percentages will be much lower to negligible unless very large amounts are used. An example of this was early confusion over why agar-plate tests tended to show spotty results. When the tests were repeated using nutrient broth as a medium, silver performance was consistently superb. The idea that silver spares good bacteria is, I believe, an attempt to explain observed performance that falls short of identifying the actual mechanism of action... The intestines and colon are filled with faeces that is generally not in a liquid state. Mobility is normally low. Silver that makes it into the gut, either passing through without having been absorbed, or being excreted via the liver, does not have the opportunity to reach the entire volume of the medium and tends to kill at much lower rates. On the other hand, in conditions such as food poisoning or dysintery, when bowel contents are in fact liquid, one can achieve very good kill rates and overall performance, resulting in a rapid cure. I can personally attest to the fact that if you take enough CS to overwhelm the friendly flora it *will* kill it! During one episode, I had been taking very large doses of CS for a number of days. I began to suffer extensive, bone-deep aches and pains throughout my major muscle groups, going so far as to threaten my ability to walk. When I discovered that my symptoms were identical to acute calcium deficiency and that calcium absorption is facilitated by the normal bacterial flora in the intestines, I resolved my problems within an hour or two by taking a bio-available calcium supplement. I then proceeded to rebuild my flora and fully recovered. So, when you're sick, with bad bugs in the gut, CS is able to get to them to kill them. When you're healthy, any reasonable dose of CS will be sufficiently immobilized in the semi-solid medium of normal bowel contents so as to be relatively ineffective in attacking the good bugs. Thus, you have the appearance of CS favoring one kind of bacteria over another. But, take enough CS to kill 'em despite the mobility issue, and the good bugs will be destroyed just as effectively, with the same potential for complications that always accompany the over-use of anti- microbials. I don't personally know whether there is *some* difference in kill rates between bacteria with different cell wall types, or any other distinctions, either, but I believe such effects are far outstripped by the question of mobility and ability to contact the pathogen. I hope that explanation is persuasive. Perhaps other members have some references at hand as well. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Thanks...
The tree is trimmed, the last present arrived with the smiling UPS guy, and strains of Mannheim Steamroller are wafting through the house with the smell of baking... grin Thank you for being in my life this past year, and past decade in the case of some of you! LOL Above all, I wish the gift of healing and wellness to all. Peace. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Reminder for new members and lurkers...
Hi everybody, For all of you who enjoy holidays of various sorts at this time of year, I wish you good ones. smile For any new members or lurkers wondering, Where's all the information about colloidal silver I was told would be here? ... Let me explain that most of the regulars here already have had their questions answered long ago, and thus don't *need* to talk about CS amongst themselves very much. So, unless you let us know what kind of information you're looking for, the conversation will continue to bob and weave among whatever health-related topics people have on their minds. I don't mind this so long as it doesn't swamp people's efforts to get information when they *do* ask for it. So, please let us know you're there and what kind of questions you need answered right now, so we can help... And, welcome aboard. Address your questions to silver-list@eskimo.com ... I'm always available for questions or help related to list operations at my usual e-mail address, mdev...@eskimo.com ... For all of you, thank you for keeping things on an even keel. It is very reassuring to watch you take care of yourselves and keep the place running smoothly. Peace, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTest...
Okay, is the list down or did everybody get really quiet Saturday? Peace, Mike D. list mechanic... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTest...
Nothing to see here... Move along! grin whisper I guess it's just weally, weally quiet. Mike D. Test from outside of the eskimo domain. Mike D. (Please don't use this address to try to reach me. Try my normal eskimo address first._ [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMercury Filling vit C
A couple of cautions: Don't take oral vitamin C before the procedure, as it will make the novocaine less effective. That's why IV C during or immediately after the procedure is preferred. I don't remember how long before the procedure you'd want to stop taking any oral C, but if I had to guess on the basis of my vague recollection, it would probably be at least 12 hours. Maybe somebody else knows this? Lacking the IV option, hopefully liposomal encapsulated C will serve. The other caution is this: If this is your last or only mercury containing filling, once it is removed be prepared for your body to begin to mobilize the mercury you've absorbed over the years in an attempt to get rid of it now that you're not under the daily assault of ongoing exposure. Once the new exposure stops, your body will change gears and start trying to get rid of it. The problem is the eliminative pathways are so inefficient that blood levels of mercury will climb and you'll be at risk of toxic effects as bad or worse than if you left the filling in place. To combat this, you'll want to actively pursue therapies to help your body eliminate mercury faster, such as daily FIR sauna or other means of sweating copiously, oral chelation therapies, etc... Peace, Mike D. What about regular vit C in large doses or powdered acerola? Jess -Original Message- From: Jon [mailto:p888p...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:20 PM To: silver list Cc: Pat Subject: CSMercury Filling Hi Pat, Some doctors will give vitamin C by IV after mercury-filling removal to chelate the mercury that is freed by the dental procedure. You could make your own liposomal Vitamin C for this purpose, instead of IV. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPossible spammer...
Well, if it was a real person and they value their participation in the list, they'll get in touch with me. The address was apparently subscribed for some time, not being at the end of the subscriber file, so it may be a legitimate member who did something foolish or got their machine hijacked. The address is gone. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[Warning!] Broadcast e-mails to the silver list...
parj...@bellsouth.net sent a broadcast e-mail to the list along with his or her entire address book, it looks like. I just want to point out that one long time member and frequent poster had to be banned because he couldn't keep from occasionally spamming the list with stuff he was trying to send out to his friends... but too often including the list address as well. Please don't include the Silver List in any message you are broadcasting to everybody ... If you want to send something to the group that is relevant and important, put it in a separate message appropriate to the list mission and etiquette. parjac7 has only two posts now, I think. You're batting .500 now, friend! smile Peace, Mike Devour Owner, silver-list@eskimo.com TWO SUBJECT LINES of which to be AWARE Just verified this with Snoops and it is REAL. ALSO WENT TO TRUTH OR FICTION, IT'S on their site also. PLEASE INFORM EVERYONE you know! [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: HOAX - Re: CSDO NOT CALL LIST - HOAX
And on that note, we'll let this thread DIE! Thank you. Do not respond to the political comment. Do not respond to it if somebody else jerks their knee before seeing THIS message. Thank you very kindly. Mike Devour list owner == tapping a virtual bludgeon on his palm... grin http://www.ftc.gov/donotcall http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/04/dncfyi.shtm You can register online at WWW.DONOTCALL.GOV or call toll-free, 1-888- 382-1222 (TTY 1-866-290-4236), from the number you wish to register. Registration is free. the people that i follow are of the opinion that the husband/wife team running snopes are closet liberals, and should not be trusted. you might do a little work before condemning. jim Oct 18, 2010 03:03:06 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCleaning jar...
Another suggestion for you, Melly... If you've started to get enough plating out of silver on the inside of the jar that it might be lowering the resistance seen by the power supply and boosting the current to unreasonable levels... you should be able to remove it by rinsing the jar with hydrogen peroxide. Just a dollop of the standard stuff from the drug store, followed with a few swishes of distilled, should eliminate any conductive coating from the inside of the jar. Repeat occasionally. Best of luck to you. Mike D. MaryAnn, Ode and Dee, Thanks for your reply. Ok, i will keep my electrodes further, bend the ends also. I have also cut a new wire to make it longer. I have a timer already set by Utopia. I will try again. I did not have this problems before. Would the thickness/gauge of the wire make a difference? I am using a gauge 10 now, pretty thick. The new cut wire is gauge 14. Thanks for your assistance. Melly --- On Fri, 10/15/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #836 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 9:59 AM [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIs the list quiet?
Or have I been booted? :-D MA I dunno, MaryAnn, are you wearing boots? smile It has been a little quiet. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIntermittent e-mail service
Hi Dan, It has been a fairly quiet day, but I've also gotten a report from another member that Gmail is treating list messages as SPAM. I confirmed this with my Gmail account. When I logged into the web interface, the last day or two's worth of silver list messages were in the SPAM folder. The first thing to try is to mark them and push the Not SPAM button, to see if we can start to un-train gmail's filters. It's always been the case with the larger, web-based e-mail providers, that users sign up for the list, can't figure out why they're getting all this mail they don't understand, and then mark it as SPAM rather than unsubscribe using the correct mechanism. Then their system starts to trap the same mail for other users who want it. That may be the problem here... Or else, some over-aggressive algorithm is catching the volume of list-mail on their system and mistaking it due to formatting similarities... You might want to investigate the gmail tech support options. If they have some other mechanism for dealing with such problems, besides the 'not-spam' button, it would be worth trying. Please let me know how it goes. Mike D. Mike, I have been noticing that I'm not getting all the posts from the silver_list. Since I'm on gmail I wouldn't think that there should be any problem on this side. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CSsorry, Mike...
As Craig pointed out in the rules, in support of the posting of a couple of jokes... The supportive, gracious, or humorous interpersonal communication that will make this place a *community* that cares for one another is welcome, in moderation. No apology necessary, PT. Peace, Mike D. I apologize to the list. This was meant as a private email and I forgot to change the address. PT - Original Message - From: needling around To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:53 AM Subject: Re: CSFor Chuck Hi MA, I'm sorry for both your pain. Are they giving him adequate magnesium? May the continuing journey grow easier with each passing day. May your Spirits heal your suffering Hearts with Universal Light. Blessings, PT - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:12 AM Subject: Re: CSFor Chuck Hi PT. He's had a rough week -- slow recovery from the anesthesia, low hemoglobin levels requiring blood transfusions, an episode of atrial fibrillation which they brought under control with drugs (so far, so good), no appetite, etc. We're at the point of discharge from the hospital, and they want him to go directly to a rehab facility -- but question the advisibility of a 9+ hour drive to get him to one near home. They may admit him to one here in Cleveland, in which case I will go home and then come back to get him when he's ready. So right now it's a waiting game. Thanks for asking -- I appreciate your concern. Mary Ann -- From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 8:18:33 PM Subject: Re: CSFor Chuck MA, How is your husband doing? Healing well I hope. PT - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:16 PM Subject: Re: CSFor Chuck Oh crap -- are you gonna die Chuck Don't dooo it! :-D I look forward to being entertained by your puns for years and years and years! Craig's were great too!! Thanks guys -- we need a break every now and then! :-) MA From: cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 7:24:38 PM Subject: Re: CSFor Chuck I didn't send them... I don't do mass puns, but I appreciate them, Thanks. The day before I die, I'll post my entire file... Chuck Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. He was using a dotted line. He caught every other fish. -- Steven Wright On 10/11/2010 7:41:02 PM, needling around (ptf2...@bellsouth.net) wrote: These are great! I really needed them today... Thanks Chuck :-) PT - Original Message - From: Craig Chamberlin craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com To: cs silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: CSFor Chuck *Puns for Educated Minds* The fattest knight at King Arthur's round table was Sir Cumference. He acquired his size from too much pi. 2. I thought I saw an eye doctor on an Alaskan island, but it turned out to -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
CSWARNING! from list owner
I'm always amazed at the difference 24 hours can make. Things weren't going too bad, until somebody decided they are going to try to run the list for me. Robert offered what I would consider a prescription for a spiritual healing modality, little different than EFT or Reiki or other 'energy healing' or otherwise non-physical techniques that sometimes pop up in discussions here. As odd as it may seem to those who are particularly sensitive to the G- word, it was actually a technical post, if largely off topic. I never have and do not now intend for those types of contributions to become a frequent feature of the list or to overwhelm our discussions. That said, Robert's infraction of the list rules was of such a negligible nature that I would only have cautioned him about it, gently, and only if he'd showed signs of making a habit of it. The response to Robert's post by Dave and a few others is a more serious problem. The list rule prohibiting discussion of religion and politics is not intended as a WEAPON to be used by members to enforce THEIR will on other members, but a tool for each member to guide their OWN behavior. Dave labelling Robert's post as ... a bunch of obscene bull shit is an attack that is entirely out of proportion to the provocation and not behavior I intend to tolerate toward *ANY* of my members. First and most obvious, Dave does NOT run the list, I do. It's not his or any other member's job to discipline other members or to complain about their behavior on-list. Such public complaints are disruptive in themselves and are also clearly against the same rules he was so quick to invoke. Your job as members is to contact me privately when, in your opinion, something is going wrong on the list. I will happily accept such input and use it to guide my moderation, many times acting behind the scenes to coach people toward the expected behavior. That's my job, use me. Second, the prohibition on discussions of religion, spirtuality, or the metaphysical is not the same as intolerance OF those beliefs. As I say in the list rules... I am not asking you to de-God everything you say, do or think, however. Brief greetings, thanks, and prayer requests or offerings are acceptable. The occasional God bless, or you're in our prayers will not be seen as a transgression. Yes, Robert's offering was outside those guidelines and not the kind of thing I am going to encourage routinely, but I will also not allow the creation of an environment which is HOSTILE to those who so believe. Intolerance of spirituality is no better or worse in my eyes, as the person who has to moderate the discussion, than the religious intolerance that causes such topics to rapidly descend to the very flames of hell in the first place. So... Tolerance is called for on both sides... ALL sides. Public complaints about other members' behavior or actions are not appropriate or allowed. Aggressive behavior toward other members, who are also my guests here, is *still* prohibited. Lastly, since at least one person mentioned it, let me remind you all that I also consider assaultive or aggressive behavior in private e- mail to other members inappropriate. If you receive such items and they concern you, let me know. Participation in this list should not result in anyone being subjected to such things. For your reference, the list rules reside at www.silverlist.org ... Please re-read them and contact me if you have any further questions. Let the thread die now. Don't respond if somebody else does before they see this message. It may take another day or two for it to completely end. Let it. Thank you, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDave Darrin remove from list
please remove me from this list. Done! Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
I have asked this thread to be ended. Please understand that some will reply to the thread before seeing my request, and it will take a day or two for everybody to catch up with reading their mail and some may inadvertently revive the subject that was supposedly ended before the realize it was ended. At worst, some may try to get a last word in... When I ask for a thread to end, that means not replying if somebody else does so for whatever reason, so that it can die a natural death as quickly as possible. I do not pre-screen messages, so each of you have to control your own behavior for it to work. Thanks, Mike D. I left the OT list to get away from this crap. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] A little topic trim, please...
Hiya, Gang! If I could get y'all to either end the political commentary thread or take it to the Off Topic list, it'd be very nice of ya, and your List Owner would be most happy. That'd be the one with the Subject line that looks like: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar Talking about Builder-Burgers and Alumi-nazis on the main list is a sure recipe for upsetting people and/or distracting us from the more important things we're doing. We've gotten by this time so far, but let's not push it, 'kay? Instructions for joining the OT list are at the web site, www.silverlist.org ... Peace, my silvery brethren and sistren... Mike D. list owner dude... = in strange mood. grin [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHelp with tooth extraction pain
Hi folks, This bounced for being too big. I've trimmed quoted text and forwarded it for Sunny... as I think she deserved a break. smile Thank you for all you do to help, everyone. Peace, Mike D. --- Forwarded message follows --- Folks, thank you all so much for your wisdom. I have done some bad things in relation to this tooth, like smoking, and eating MM's and cookies... yes.. I felt bad..it was comfort stuff.. and every bite of every bit of food hurt... and I just felt so depressed.. [times are really though as it is without this] but no excuse.. However, reading all the advice, I realize that I must take the road to healing now... The tooth is I suspect infected, but not with dry socket..it's not oozing, it's not bleeding, but there is a lot of swelling.. I think just infection from the removal. The dentist did not tell me much and I was too woozy and overwhelmed to ask... The pain is now pretty bad.. BUT I just read all of your mails... and immediately drank the MMS I had prepared and not drunk cos there was no stuff to make it taste better.. it's not THAT bad with water.. 10 drops.. THEN I swilled down a glass of CS.. swilled one in my mouth... and set the machine to make more. Gonna get to making the home made zapper tomorrow...[we do have some kind of electrode massager that my husband has had for ages... his ex used to use it for her wrinkles!] and meanwhile... have to take painkillers to sleep as no sleep = low immune system = even harder to work on.. AND I also took an antibiotic. I had a pack of antiboics, a course, given to me by a dentist friend just in case, a while ago... I held it there.. I hummed and haaad and thought.. shall I shan't I.. and Mr PAIN said you must... and I took one...gr It's so crazy... I've been trying so hard... not to take any of this stuff.. and going to the dentist, visiting an allopathic, and young, cocky, I'm so smart, dentist... who had no idea about how to prepare patients... and that we all need lots and lots of information... wow.. the info you all gave me really comforted and helped me.. Paula you sound like you should write a manual for dentists...I felt like someone at last was telling me something I should have been told by the dentist... I understood.. that this tooth was a particularly hard one.. and that I would have liked to have been more prepared.. and perhaps would have not been so stupid with what I put in my mouth.. I am so desperately in a transition from the old world, and all that awful food and stuff.. to a new one where we are muchhealthier.. we've had a relapse lately... [and me who was a raw foodie, non smoking health fanatic] and this has made me sit up and become aware... Much love to you all... pain getting really bad now so must go to bed... thanks sunny x A peek into our world.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth --- End of forwarded message --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMcCartt Loans
Hello, I am Mr. Jack K. McCartt of McCartt loans, we are a legit, registered and guaranteed loan company in the U.K... Woops... He's also one banned spammer. LOL Sorry 'bout that, folks. Yep, there's actually a subscribe request from them in my local archive. They don't usually go to the bother of jumping through the hoops. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScancer on face..sorry for the delay in saying thank you
Thank you to all those who responded regarding cancer on my face. Unfortunately my mail program had some problems and had to get some things restored. I'm hoping I still have all the emails you sent me so I can begin sifting through them. If not, Rusty, we have web archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Best of luck, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFwd: Water Vortex Magnetizer: COMMENT
Steve wrote: This information is greatly appreciated. However the post that did not get through was the email referencing your experiences with water structuring. Could please try and resend that one? Yes, Brooks, please do. There's interest on the main list now! grin Brooks' initial message in this thread was posted to the OT list, which is why we don't have the context over on this side. Throw an unexplained spontaneous auto-unsub of Brooks' address into the mix, and we just have a mess of confusion. sigh Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CShelp needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
That's probably why you and Tony can access the alpha site and we can't. Jon wrote: Japan. Okay, can somebody come up with SIMPLE instructions for us so Renee can try browsing the site using an offshore proxy and see what she's not being allowed to see from inside the US? That'd be a fun experiment and a useful skill for us all to develop. I'd love to hear her report... Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSContradicting info on CS and H2O2?
Here David, let me fix that for you! GRIN (typo police...) Question on H2O2 drops: Say I wanted to **ADD** 1 drop of 35% H2O2 to 8 oz of CS. Is this the same as putting about 11 or 12 drops as 3% H2O2 (i.e. 35 divided by 3)? Also, does it need to be food grade, or is the stuff form walgreen's okay? Yes, that would be right, David; 11.667 drops of 3% to deliver as much H2O2 as 1 drop of 35%. The only concern with drug store stuff would be the stabilizers often added to it. Some brands don't even have them, so check the labels and see if you get lucky. They'd be mentioned if they're there. Even with stabilizers, however, consider the dilutions you're talking about: At 600 drops per ounce (a round number) 12 drops of 3% H2O2 solution is already diluted (in 8 ounces of water) to 2.5 ppm. That means the H2O2 contained in that 3% solution would end up diluted to 350 parts per billion in your final solution. Unless the stabilizers are present in higher concentrations than the peroxide is, then the above number is a good upper limit on their possible concentration. So I tend to doubt you'd be talking about any serious toxicity with the kinds of chemicals that would be in a consumer product approved for topical use. Of course, I could be wrong, so proceed at your own risk. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site...
Hi folks! First off, I hope David has been able to get into the web site and see the change... It's working as far as I know, David. The problem you had looks like it may have just been a transient. Carol and others, I REALLY do understand the appeal of Yahoo or Google groups as a platform for a forum like this, and I will continue to consider them going forward, as a fallback if nothing else. My most urgent reason for never going to one of those options before now was a desire to never place us at the mercy of someone else's opinion of whether our group deserved to exist, and, in the extreme case, to not be one of the countless thousands of groups that would instantly disappear if Somebody made a phone call and said, shut it all down... So, call me paranoid if you'd like, but that resolve is the main reason we've continued to stumble along in this less-than-ideal state, trapped between my desires for security and control, and my inability thus far to implement one of the many superior options that are possible. Hope springs eternal that as my health and mental agility continue to improve, I will succeed in finding or building us a new home that will be more to everyone's liking, mine included. Meanwhile, I pray you will forgive me for my admitted shortcomings (to accompany my acknowledged strengths, just so y'all don't have to say it! grin) and continue to be patient with the clunky interface. You all keep amazing me with your knowledge, generosity, cooperation, and the timeliness of your suggestions! I can't count how often I've seen the answer swing by in passing, just as I'd begun to research a particular question! Amazing! smile If anybody has a trustworthy, high-end web developer in their pocket, willing to work for free or very near to it, y'all let me know, okay? Peace, Mike D. silver-list curator and antiquarian... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Yahoo
Yep, I understand the appeal of the Yahoo Groups and similar platforms' user and management interfaces. They've improved over the years and are pretty darned good these days. The best thing about them is you can still sign up for e-mails, if you don't mind some advertising lumped in with your content, or you can just as easily browse them at the web site. If I could come up with a similar system that ran on a server that I could control and have ownership of the subscriber list and messages, I would be all over it like white on rice! I'm definitely not saying I won't be making changes. As soon as something good comes together, by whatever means, I'll make the move. It's not happened yet, however. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site...=GREAT group yes....
Hi gang, I have no problem with suggestions and even complaints, especially when they're meant in good spirit, not to mention pretty legitimate! Using Yahoo groups would make my life easier in most ways, as long as it worked like it was supposed to. I don't mind Carol's suggestion or comments at all. She knows she's been heard, and she's heard my side of it now and understands. There's no need to worry about it beyond that. When we do get something better going, I'll be the happiest one of the bunch! smile Peace, Mike [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site...
David wrote: Lots of questions here! I guess the only archives to speak of are the actual emails? I guess this group is intentionally low key. LOL! No, David, the list owner is just lazy! I've *finally* updated the Archive page on the web site to reflect the existence of the *NEW* archives... grin Should eliminate this kind of confusion in the future! Peace, Mike D. List owner dude... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
Dianne wrote: Would the hydrogen peroxide work in a nebulizer for getting it into the lungs? Be cautious about this, please, Dianne. The following post by Jason Eaton back in 2001 reveals that H2O2 can cause unpredictable and dangerous results when nebulized. Please read it carefully: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg36593.html I one experiment a person who smoked had a severe reaction. Other cautions are mentioned. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT - Dental work - infection? - tx ideas?
Dear Jaxi, One thing I learned from my dental revision, Jaxi, is that once the last filling comes out of your mouth the absolute HIGHEST priority becomes mercury detox. I mean it is URGENT! Your body has been in full defensive mode ever since the first filling went in however many years ago. Given the lack of effective pathways for its elimination, all sorts of processes were activated to capture and sequester that daily dose of mercury so it would do as little harm as possible. Now that you've removed the daily assault of *new* mercury, your body will de-compensate and start trying to unload that entire burden of stored mercury as quickly as it can. Unfortunately for you, it STILL has no good way to get rid of the mercury! So the stuff will start circulating and causing toxic damage everywhere, worse than you would have had if you'd left your last filling in. So now you need to start helping it, PRONTO, to get rid of the mercury that is coming back into circulation. Best and easiest would be a good sweat in a far infrared sauna, daily, or as often as you can tolerate. Believe me, it will be worth it to buy one of these! I'd have spared myself several years of torture if I had bit the bullet and splurged on this so-called luxury item right away. If that's not possible, then get yourself some epsom salts, fill the bath tub with water at 104 degrees Farenheit, or warmer if you can handle it, dump in a few scoops of the salts, then soak in it for 20 minutes, working up a good sweat. Then drain and shower off. Do this RELIGIOUSLY every 3 days and you should be able to stay ahead of the detox and start to feel better. Slack off and you'll start to re- toxify. Get yourself a good electrolyte replacement beverage and you should be able to do either of these more often and with greater comfort. The common thread in these methods is sweating, of course. Sweating is an effective pathway for mercury removal and will not only move more mercury out faster but will take a load off your liver and kidneys, too. There are also other means to detox mercury... and if you're already on top of this aspect of your recovery, then you'll want to pursue the other suggestions that you're getting. If not, however, then this will get you started, and we can explore other ways to deal with the cursed stuff. Please let us know what you need. Peace, Mike D. Last Monday I had my last 2 old fillings replaced. Top left side of the mouth. First molar and last molar. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Mail outage...
Hi folks, The mail has at least *started* flowing again after some hours of being down. I got at least one bounce message at another mail account indicating that Eskimo's incoming mail servers were badly enough bolluxed up to reject mail, so some of the messages you attempted to send during that time may not have been accepted for delivery. If you don't see a message you sent reflected back to you in the next few hours, please re-send it. Meanwhile, I'll continue to monitor and try to keep you all informed what's going on. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSinuses - neti pot? remember the ear canal's
Dear Jaxi, just a few drops right into the ear? Enough to fill the ear canal, 3% peroxide, 20 minutes per side or until it stops bubbling... Works like a charm! grin Thanks to Brooks Bradley for bringing that little trick to our attention! Mike D. Jaxi On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: When I have anykind of sinus issue's I put some H202 in my ear's as well and that clear's up my nasal congestion, welcome to the group Krissty, Debbie :) -- *From:* Krisstyna Holmquist dalaichic...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, August 20, 2010 4:55:01 PM *Subject:* Re: CSSinuses - neti pot? I do add the CS to the salt solution. Particularly when I think there's any sort of infection. Usually with just one use it knocks out the infection. Also, thanks for the welcome Mike. This site has taught so much about CS and many other things. I've known CS was a great thing since the first time I used it, but I never knew how many other things it could be used for before joining here. So thank you to all for all your great info. I'll be sure to add my two cents when I can! [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMold Fungus
Dear James, You write: Anyone ever use cs approach to save the lungs? What sort of condition are you asking about, James? Is it under a doctor's care? What have they diagnosed? There have been enough anecdotal reports of beneficial effects on some serious pulmonary insults to suggest it's worth looking into CS' benefits for such things, but the kind of full-up clinical trials needed to certify such treatments haven't been done, to my knowledge. If it's anything serious enough to require saving the lungs be sure to coordinate your activities with the medical people. Let us know more details and we'll see what folks have to share? Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Welcome, explanation...
Hi everybody, I just wanted to step in to welcome our newer members, and new posters, like Kriss and Laurie, and to make sure it's clear that we welcome your input... Kriss wrote: I hope this helps. I haven't posted on here before because I don't make my own CS yet. As soon I can manage to afford it I will be buying a generator and will use CS for many more things. Whenever anybody asks health related questions, you're all welcome to offer your non-CS-related suggestions and comments as well. That way, the *questions* get answered and people get help, even though some of it might be off topic. All that I ask is that we don't turn an off topic discussion into a major distraction for the group. I basically want to see ideas shared, initial questions answered, and useful resources pointed out so people have a jumping off point for exploring those other options for themselves. So, feel free to share from your personal experience, things you've observed first hand, and information from sources you've come to trust. Product recommendations are okay, too, so long as you're not involved in selling or promoting them, but just as a user or practitioner. This is to preserve the non-commercial nature of the group. If you want to ask for an exception to that restriction, contact me privately. If you're new and have CS-related questions, don't just wait around for somebody else to bring up the topic, please ask! Folks are ready and waiting to help you if you let them know what you need. Peace, Mike D. silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSinuses - neti pot?
The only problem with adding EIS/CS to the salt water in your neti pot is that the silver will quickly combine with the chloride to make silver chloride. That's not a bad thing, and it ought to still be beneficial. It's sure a lot easier to handle on the nasal linings than straight CS! That's in contrast to the idea of *making* CS with salt in the water. That drives the concentration and the particle size up *very* rapidly, while also producing as much silver chloride as you have salt. Abused, such CS has some potential for causing argyria. Start with low concentration CS and mix it into salt water, the concentration will still be in a safe range. I've only used a neti pot some, so I hope others with more experience than I have will chime in to straighten me out if I'm wrong! grin Peace, Mike [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMMS email received today
And next time Renee will remember to *ask* me first before posting a fer-sale item! grin Be well, Mike D. Well, I still sell it. I'm too small to be noticed, plus I don't have a web site. It's just word of mouth. It's $10 for a 4 ounce bottle of MMS, and an extra empty bottle for your activator. It's $7 actual shipping for express mail. Samala, Renee [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStwice distilled water
Dear PT, What I am interested in is how water that has been distilled can still be producing contaminants? It was my understanding that once it was distilled it is contaminant free. People used to use double distilled water when it had to be absolutely as pure as possible. Nowadays, there are (big and expensive) systems of cartridges used in lab and industrial settings that produce extremely pure deionized water that is appropriate for those applications. For us, double distilled is the most approachable way to get to that level of purity... though you should ask yourself if you *really* need that purity or if it's overkill. Why wouldn't the first distillation cycle get everything? Well, to start with, we've already talked about tossing off the first bits of water from the distiller to get rid of any volatiles that came off with the water and remain dissolved in the distillate. Then we learned to leave behind the last of the water, rather than boiling it off completely. This means that the resevoir doesn't need to boil dry and get hotter in order for the temperature switch to automatically shut down the heater. That makes it easier to clean out, I'm sure, but *also* means that some of the higher boiling point contaminants don't get a chance to evaporate and join with the last of the condensate to contaminate the batch. Both of these methods allow you to capture the purest portion of the output stream. Then there's not filling it all the way, which avoids the obvious problem of boiling water *splashing* into the condenser. The thing is that all of these processes are continuous... All the volatiles don't come off at the same temperature or infinitely quickly, and all of the possible contaminants have a perhaps small, but finite and measurable evaporation rate at whatever temperature you're operating. So, the whole while the water is being evaporated, at least some traces of these other things are also making it across to the output. So a second cycle of distillation, just as carefully done as the first (and *without* the output filter! grin) will simply take those contaminant levels down by *another* factor of however many orders of magnitude they came down with the first cycle, or at least close. I hope that makes sense? Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Mentioning products...
One of them takes...{dunno if I can mention the
brand name here}...supplement products.
Hi Neville, all,
Hey, unless you sell the stuff, a recommendation of something that you
believe works well is always welcome.
If you do have a commercial interest in something you want to mention,
just drop me a line so I can vett the way it's being presented and give
you the go-ahead.
Be well,
Mike D.
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CSArgyria risk...
Neville,
You write:
... I know two women who swear by EIS/CS...
They drag out an old battery unit, 250-300ml glass of rainwater, 3-5
minutes brewing {analysed at 40+ppm} drinking it straight down
immediately after brewing...issue 'terminated'. They *may* make and
take a second glass at the end of the day, to be sure, to be sure.
I met a couple, farmers, who took a daily glass of CS made using a
'pinch of salt' as 'starter' in a home made 3-nines generator, and did
this for several years. They learned about CS during the run-up to Y2K,
and followed exactly instructions that were widely disseminated on
survival-related sites back then.
Those of you who remember that period will recall that we were actively
trying to get the word out to people that the no-salt, lower
concentration approach to making CS was as effective and much safer.
Well, we were right. When I met these folks in '06, they were both
suffering from a cosmetically obvious case of argyria on their faces
and hands. She had a mask-like discoloration on the lower half of her
face, his was more uniform.
Given their occupation, one expects they both get a lot of sun. Other
issues, like local soil selenium content and dietary habits can also
affect excretion of metals, increasing the risk of argyria.
But the bottom line is, you might want to suggest to them, Neville,
that they should not use that kind of CS on a daily basis but only when
needed, just as you described that they do now, and be sure they have
an adequate amount of selenium and vitamin E in their diet or
supplement program.
Be well,
Mike D.
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RE: CSFrom Generator to Bottle
Agree in general, though if you had to choose, wouldn't it be best to use the plastic rather than the metal, Steve? Mike D. Randy, You can just leave your CS in your quart jar. No need for special amber bottles. This assumes you have made it with 0.999 or better pure silver electrodes, steam distilled water and no other additives. But if you insist, either funnel material is fine. Just first give them a rinse with distilled water. Steve Y. -Original Message- From: ra...@shavetailalpaca.com [mailto:ra...@shavetailalpaca.com] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 5:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSFrom Generator to Bottle Greetings, I'm curious if I can transfer a batch of CS from my qt jar to the amber bottles via a stainless steel funnel or a plastic funnel? Would either of them carry any unwanted materials to the bottle? Sorry if that's a novice question, but I want my CS to be as good as it can be. Randy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3069 - Release Date: 08/13/10 12:34:00 [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CSRe: Question please
Hi Melly, Does colloidal silver kill parasites in the blood? How does one take it? Thanks. Melly What kind of parasites are you thinking about in particular? Are you seeing a doctor about the situation? What do they say? Also, what kind of CS are you talking about? What source, how made? If it's a commercial product, or made with a generator you bought, you're best off following the manufacturer's directions. There's not been much mainstream research done on the kind of CS we usually talk about here. Most of what we have to go on is anecdotal reports, and I don't remember much about parasites, generally, from either source. Let us know more and we'll see what other folks have to offer? Be well! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDoes CS work on a skin rash
(why after a show? What type of show and what would you be contacting there that you may be allergic to?) Dear Renee, I read that as after a shower... just 'cause it fit the overall impression I had of Les' writing style. Les, I kinda think the comments about liver congestion might be on point. Peace, Mike D. ---Original Message--- Dose CS have any effect of skin ? Ive had a strange (benign) rash, starting a few years ago, on my upper arms then it progressed down each side of the torso and a bit in the groin area. It sometimes is slightly raised but right now its fairly feint. Its usually more pronounced after a show. It doesnt itch its just there.Ive consulted dermatologists in the UK and USA without success. If I apply DMSO it seems to expose a lot more rash in otherwise clear areas but doesnt reduce it. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Topics...
Hi folks, Just a reminder that, though I don't mind some off-topic stuff, that I'd like OT threads to be deliberately tapered off in a day or so, so they don't drag on and dominate the discussion. A good current example of this, might have something to do with curry, and beans, and pressure cookers... evil grin As always, health-related questions are welcome, so long as the answers that are related to things besides CS are handled more briefly, again, tapering off when basic curiosity is satisfied and other resources have been identified for further study. *Wildly* OT stuff, should always go to the Off Topic List, of course. grin Carry on, and thank you all, so much, for taking responsibility for policing your *own* behavior. That's why my job is as simple as it is, most of the time. Peace, Mike D. da list owner dude [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDebunking...
Dave writes, and quotes: *This should give you an example of what I think of Prill beads. One of the goofiest products I have come across are Prill Beads which consist of magnesium oxide infused with Life Force. These magical beads [... blah blah blah] I'd just like to point out that if I'd not kept an open mind the blatant idiocy of some vendors way back when would have kept me from trying colloidal silver. It's better these days but you can still find examples of similar nonsense out there. Yes, the verbiage quoted by Dave is representative of too many sources that spew that kind of anti-scientific junk targeted only at the gullible. So saying, it doesn't prove anything about the product either. There are also user reports from non-vendors that claim benefits, so the jury is still out on Prill Beads from what I can see. All I ask is that everyone be careful with adopting the mindset of a debunker toward the things shared on this list. There's no reason to accept everything blindly, but temperate language and tolerance are still in order. Something about glass houses and stones comes to mind. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCurry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions
Oy, guys! There's such a thing as too much information! Mike D. (only half joking... sigh) That's disgusting! What the h...@ll else did you eat??? - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:29 AM Subject: Re: CSCurry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions I like curry a bunch, but one time after eating a boatload of delicious curried chicken , it MADE be fart and the gasses were so corrosive they LITERALLY ate the skin off my buttcheeksBIG scab for WEEKS ! Ode At 12:43 AM 7/20/2010 -0500, you wrote: My only question is: Will curry help when you eat beans? - Steve N http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/curry-spices-fo r-cows-and-sheep-could-cut-methane-emissions-2029761.htmlhttp://www.i ndependent.co.uk/environment/green-living/curry-spices-for-cows-and-sh eep-could-cut-methane-emissions-2029761.html Curry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
CS[List Owner] Quiet times...
Hi folks, We've been having quite a few quiet periods lately. I'd just like to remind any new folks that the best way to get people talking about the things you're interested in right now is to ask! Post a message introducing yourself and your primary concerns and immediate questions, so we all know what you're looking for. Be well, Mike Devour silver list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Quiet times...
Hi Mike: Wasn't there a list (offshoot of this one) for off-topic material? Yes indeedly doodley! grin Visit the web site at www.silverlist.org and click on the Off Topic List link. You have to be a member of this list, then send a subscribe request to the OT list server control address to receive the posts. I'm here if anybody has any problems interpreting the instructions or getting them to work. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAbsorbable
Hi Bob, I take the Selenium because at one time I took too much CS and started to tint my face. My Wife blames it all on my CS but I could never understand Why my head would get off color but not other parts of Body such as arms and legs would not, could this have something to do with my circulation. It may have something to do with light exposure... You don't often cover your face and head, but you do wear long pants and sleeves most of the time, don't you? As I recall you were going out of your way to make a pretty high concentration product? Could you remind us what your recipe was like? Thanks, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS2 items ( what to use in place of glycerin in brooks mix ??
PT wrote: Unfortunately I am sensitive to glycerin. Any thoughts? I will check for Brooks skin recipe! Lois replied: I'm not sure what you can use in place of the glycerine. Someone on this site may know. If not maybe they know a way to e-mail Brooks.. Aloe springs to mind? In part, I'm sure the glycerine is just to keep the CS/DMSO mixture from evaporating or running off. Whether it has beneficial effects in itself I do not know. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTesting pH?
Neville writes: Most articles I've read talk about keeping that probe wet all the time. I don't think that's important for my purpose though. I'd have to ask my wife, the scientist, but i seem to remember that some pH probes do have to be protected by keeping them in a calibration solution all the time when not in use, or they might go bad. I'll ask her, but if the equipment manufacturer says so, you'd probably want to do it. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTesting pH?
Neville, The chemical Harold is adding is not a buffer, but simply an *indicator* that changes color over a range of pH. It's a similar thing to the stuff that's soaked into litmus paper. It should *not* change the pH of the sample, if it's properly designed and made. Buffers, as you say, are designed to adjust the pH to a particular value, and don't necessarily have anything to do with measuring the pH. The only way I can think they might is by measuring the amount needed to achieve that pH change you could possibly get some indication of the composition of the acid or alkaline chemistry of the sample. That's just a guess on my part, however. I don't have any experience with such systems. Be well, Mike D. This is why I asked if a buffer is *necessary*, I don't want to change anything, and I don't want to 'neutralise' anything, I just want to take a measurement *as is*. I'm content now, knowing that a buffer is not a requirement if simply wanting to take a straight measurement of water or a solution. Why do you add the reagent Harold? Correct me if I'm wrong, but buffers are for the purpose of increasing or decreasing acidity/alkalinity as a compensatory measure to create a neutral pH are they not? I don't wish to alter or neutralise anything, just get a reading of pH of the water/solution as it is from scratch. N. From: har...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTesting pH? Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:26:24 -0700 I test my Distilled water using an aquarium kit.It uses a blue reagent,2 drops in a measured amt of water. Harold _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: EXTERNAL:CSSome Items Available at an Indian Grocery
It looks like it only showed up at your end, Steve. The original post came through here without it. Something put on by your ISP or an intermediary? Mike D. Where did that EXTERNAL in the subject line come from and what does it mean? I did not put it there. I don't remember seeing that before. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:CSSome Items Available at an Indian Grocery [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSome Items Available at an Indian Grocery
Ruth writes:
I received two blank emails... this one and one with RE: EXTERNAL in
the subject line. I wouldn't think so, but could this have anything to
do with the recent list outage?
Shouldn't have anything to do with that, Ruth!
If not, what gives? Anyone know?
Looking at the source code of Steve's message, the following headers
describe how it's formatted...
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
x-cr-puzzleid: {B8FECC94-E7E2-4C14-8043-E46BE669AF9B}
x-cr-hashedpuzzle: [a bunch of gobbledygook, snipped!]
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
The actual body of the text was not readable as plain text, but was a
huge block of seemingly random characters. That is at least because of
the 'base64' encoding, but also the UTF-8 and whatever this
hashedpuzzle stuff is are probably adding to the mess... So your mail
program (Outlook Express) is being confused by the elaborate formatting
of Steve's message, I'm afraid.
Now, I'd typically blame Outlook for being not particularly good at
following standards, thanks to Microsoft's bloated ego... but I do
wonder what all that extra encoding is for, Steve?
Be well,
Mike D.
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CSList Outage... progress?
Hi folks, Not to get anyone's hopes up too high, but about 20 minutes past noon Eastern time my mail client, which was polling the servers every few minutes, tossed an error that usually indicates the server has disappeared. This would be just about right for the main support person to arrive (or log in remotely) at 9am their time, discover the outage and send a reset command to the relevant servers. Since then, messages have been trickling in a few at a time as the upstream backlog starts to clear. Oops! The first list message just came in, from Dee, and is dated the 26th... so that's a good sign. Y'all will see things develop as I do. Here's hoping and keep your fingers crossed. Peace, Mike D. owner? huh? [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMagnesium deficiency...
Hi folks, The long-timers know that I have been battling with the consequences of mercury toxicity after having a dozen amalgam fillings placed in my mouth over a period of 30 years, and then removed in June of 2006. Up until a couple of weeks ago, I was following three separate oral supplement protocols for iodine, digestive support, and a series of herbal and non-pharmaceutical antifungals to fight yeast overgrowth, plus a smattering of other supplements. It was a LOT of pills to take every day, all day, and of the three protocols, the antifungals were showing the least results -- as in none. So, I basically stopped everything except the digestive supplement while I reassess and decide what to do next. Well, in the process I discovered what a bad magnesium deficiency feels like! Over a week ago, I started to get a sore right shoulder, right about on the top front area of the rotator cuff. It got gradually worse each day, until it became quite painful to raise my arm even to shoulder height. Over the last day or two, it worsened, spreading down my arm to the elbow and even the wrist. By last night the pain and soreness was constant and I barely slept. I couldn't find a comfortable position for my arm and shoulder no matter how I tried. My other arm had also started to exhibit the beginning signs of the same thing, and one of my knees even started to give me twinges as well! Time to do something! Just a few weeks ago I'd suggested my wife start taking magnesium for her sore shoulder, elbow (bell ringing injury!) and plantar fasciitis, based on things I'd read here on the list about it's benefits for connective tissue health. This continues the longstanding tradition of people here bringing up useful subjects just when I seem to need to hear about them! salutes So this morning I dig out her bottle of Magnesium Citrate and the carton of Emergen-C! After six capsules of the former and eight packets of the latter, spread throughout the day, and definitely hitting the bowel tolerance level already, I am pleased to report that my pain this evening is much reduced. I should be able to sleep much better tonight. There are other supplements I need to start or restart, which I'm still evaluating, but it's obvious that magnesium is on the short list. I'll probably mix up some more magnesium oil (saturated solution of magnesium chloride in water) and get back into using that for transdermal absorption as well. So, thanks for last month's discussion of magnesium, folks! Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSList Outage continues...
Hi folks, Nothing to report as yet. My inner cynic envisions people on vacation and a, You were supposed to watch the servers! I thought YOU were watching the servers! kind of situation. sigh I am not receiving mail at my personal account either, so please don't be upset if I don't respond to direct e-mail. I'm waiting this out and will see what they have to say on Monday. Thank you for your patience. Mike D. silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDigest V2010 #591/Liposomal Vitamin C
I asked the same question, Alan. It was a mistake on Sandee's part. sigh Mike D. Where exactly is his site? On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: check his site - he has alot of information there -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution) [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHow did we ever get here on this subject?
This thread and topic is closed for now. Do *not* reply further. Thank you. Mike Devour silver-list owner Shiona wrote: VERY well said, Macolm... Malcolm wrote: I'm much more concerned with the drift that this is becoming a 'Believer's' forum [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners
I think some clarification might help, polo. Are you saying the US cleaner cycles between low amplitude and high amplitude, or switches between two different oscillator frequencies? The switching, whatever it is, you imply takes place at the 60 hz line frequency, which would certainly simplify circuit design. Your use of the word 'phase' was just to refer to the two states the drivers switch between, right? Sometimes you have to read a little deeper between the lines, Marshall. grin Mike D. Ok, thanks for that info, but nevertheless, this tidbit does not change the fact that ultrasonic cleaners are designed to have a low and high phase. How can a liposome be immune from rupture, by the tough phospholipids membrane when compared to the ordinary bubble?? doug - Original Message - 50/60 Hz is the line frequency the unit is specified to work with, what comes in the power cord. That is on the low end of the audio spectrum, not the high. Cleaners typically run between 20 and 30 KHz, which is above the range of hearing. The movement is basically sinusoidal, thus the amount of time above the baseline is equal to the amount under the baseline. The word phase in such a situation would refer to the difference in the angle between two waves and does not apply to these cleaners at all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
CSQuestions about Brooks, Liposomal Vitamin C
Alan Jones wrote: I'm curious, Brooks is doing all of this research, surely he must publish or document it somehow somewhere? If not, what's the point? Dan Nave replies: Beats me. I asked once and got no reply. As far as I know, the silver list archives are the only record. Obviously, Brooks will speak for himself if he is available and able, but in the interim, I'll try to give you some perspective on his reports of findings of various research efforts, including Liposomal Encapsulation Technology for low-end producers and users. Brooks is a principal in a non-profit, private organization called the Harborne Research Foundation... If I recall correctly, their major area of specialization is in environmental remediation technologies and various aspects of animal welfare and habitat. You won't find much about them on the Internet because they decided at one point back in the '90's that they didn't require or desire all that much publicity and actually eliminated their even then modest web presence. Along the way, members of his organization have frequently engaged in side projects involving alternative approaches to medical and health challenges that were of personal or professional interest to various individuals. These are not the primary focus of their research, and the foundation has never engaged in giving medical advice in any form. The results were not formally published, but often represented quite useful information. As Dan suggests, I believe the Silver List is one of very few places where Brooks (or anyone else) ever shared these findings. Within the last several years, Brooks has grieved the passing of his close associate and friend, Mr. Harborne, and he and his wife have endured the total loss of their home, with nearly all of their records, in a tragic fire. Despite unusually robust health for a man of his age, he is becoming quite advanced in years and, necessarily, his stamina and capacity for dealing with correspondence are both waning. So saying, I would look upon Brooks' track record for sharing valuable and important results based on his and his associates researches and assume on that basis that his recommendations regarding lipospheric encapsulation methods for do-it-yourselfers offer a very good clue as to worthwhile future research directions. Unless he is forthcoming with further information, however, I suspect that it will fall to other individuals to advance this work, based on the trail blazed by Brooks and his associates. I hope that presents a fairly accurate assessment that will enable all concerned to adjust their expectations accordingly. I don't speak for Brooks, but am only reporting what I know from my recollection of his writings and superficial review of the list archives. Be well! Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
And hopefully, Dee will soon reach my post reqeusting that we end this topic, and stop responding to it!? evil grin In the meantime, everybody please refrain from responding to Dee's posts! Thank you. Mike I think this is ridiculous. To be a sceptic means to question things, not to dismiss things out of hand. I question things--which means everything I'm told, and then if it turns out to be true or correct, then I will take it on board. This is the opposite of blindly following what you are told and this includes everything from health, doctors, scientist, religions, everything! How can this be a bad thing? dee On 22 Jun 2010, at 01:39, Alan Jones wrote: Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery? Alan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Jason, Bodhi, Jason, meet Bodhi. Bodhi, this is Jason. I'd like to encourage both of you to take the time to explore either on the OT list or privately, the common ground between you as well as the areas in which you might differ. Both of you might be unaware that the other has considerable experience and thought behind their positions. Jason, I suspect Bodhi's somewhat hyperbolic treatment of the word 'skepticism' is in reaction to the kind of close orderly examination that meets all of alternative health and other enlightened thinking when it encounters mainstream resistance. He's had more experience with that sort of thing than most people, I suspect. Bodhi, you might not want to let your brush sweep so widely. I'm a skeptic, you're a skeptic, Jason's a skeptic... You demonstrate it by your stubborn examination of things and lengthy testing periods. Skepticism *is* healthy -- *when* it's healthy. If by 'skepticism' you mean closed-minded refusal to address any questioning of established dogma and rejection of all evidence that cannot be explained in conventional terms, then of course you're right. But such a corruption of language is just that, and distorts efforts at intelligent communication. I wish you peace, my friends. Mike D. Jason writes: ...wow, what great science. Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin... Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. In response to the following comment (and follow-on) by Bodhi: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Topic to end...
Hi folks, Let's please end or migrate to OT the debate over the dictionary definition of skepticism and the philosophical ramifications thereof. Consider this a decree from the throne that, We shall agree to disagree. Bodhi, while demonstrating certain attributes others of us consider the very definition of healthy skepticism, chooses not to acknowledge the distinction between that and closed-mindedness masquerading as skepticism (as most of us define it). Oh well! Let's not waste any more energy on non-essentials... I would caution folks that before you condemn things other people bring up, that you think about how the colloidal silver we all profess to value is just as vulnerable to condemnation by those very same pseudo- skeptics that Bodhi rails too loudly against. Equally important, let's not spend an unhealthy amount of time on the main list talking about things that are too hard for average people to swallow. Those souls, too, deserve a chance to grow into greater knowledge at their own pace. One step at a time, people. Colloidal Silver is the first step for many. And, as always, if anybody listening in is waiting for information on Colloidal Silver to show up, give us a hint what you're interested in! Ask a question to start the conversation in a direction that's useful to you. That's how it works. Thank you. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prills
Dear Nancy, question here on specifics of mixing and using the Prill Beads. My Prills arrived from Blind Buda yesterday. Wasn't that Blind Guru? grin I placed about 4 oz. of beads in a mesh bag, rinsed them Was there as much rinsing needed for yours as for mine? LOTS of rinsing before I got all the powder out of them. Still, once done, it's done. and started them soaking in a gallon of good filtered water. After the 24 hour soak is finished. I pour app 3/4 of the water into a glass jar, refill the container with the 1/4 amount in it to recharge and drink the 3/4 amount and keep perpetuating the water this way. Do I leave the Prill Beads in the bottle with 1/4 left in it? Yes, then refill it so the next batch starts to process while you use the previous one. Any other details I should know? It tastes good? Seems to do no harm after a couple of weeks using it. I've found my appetite and cravings a little better controlled. I'm more prone to go for a glass of water than to graze the fridge and pantry for a snack. Let us know if you experience anything interesting. Peace, Mike [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHappy Father's Day
Happy Father's Day to those dads who live where the holiday is celebrated. To all, salutations for all that you've done for your children. Peace, Mike D. (Father of 3, of whom I am inordinately proud. grin ) [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I have to say this far, I have had none of the intense reactions that others have had Hi Sandee, Keep in mind who's reporting the reaction... grin Bodhi is so clear and sensitive, the stuff knocked him for a loop. The most reaction I had was a strange set of nerve/muscle twinges up and down my right leg and up my back from the area of my right kidney. This happened just as I drank down my first glassful the second morning I'd been drinking the stuff. It was so sudden and intense my knee almost gave out. Apart from that, I just find the stuff pleasantly refreshing. grin Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Hiya folks, Dave D. wrote: Sandee How about doing a comparison test with some well washed gravel from your driveway ,dowsing and all , and see if this Bodhi crap has any factual value or if it is just to en-richen someone? Dave Please mind your language, Dave. Otherwise, it's a reasonable suggestion for an experiment, if Sandee or anyone is so inclined. Ps. I don't get any of Bodhi's posts accept when someone passes it on as I filtered them to my spam folder. Right at first he tried to make a bundle off of the gullible with a very commercial post so I gave him a straight line to spam. I don't filter messages before they go out, so when a new person joins, it may take a while to help them learn the ropes. In Bodhisattva's case, he has been among the more cooperative people I have ever had to give correction to, so I am generally satisfied with the suitability of his participation. As for the nature of his beliefs, though I admit they're more than a bit out there by most people's standards, there seems to be enough value to his input to consider it part of the spectrum of opinion. Especially on the main list, I expect all of our members with more far out beliefs to tone them down for general consumption, for the sake of new people who might be ready for colloidal silver but would be put off by anything more esoteric. Meanwhile, on the OT list, things run considerably further afield. grin Thank you, all, for keeping the group on track. I'm always available and looking for your input, so don't hesitate to contact me privately with your opinions on how things are going. Peace, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Bodhi answers PT: If you wish to discuss this more ... Feel free to join me on the off topic list. Thanks. See you there. (hopefully) Exactly the best place to go further into the topic, the OT list. We'll continue to steer clear of Religion, Politics and other frequently divisive subjects on the main list, please. Please don't reply to this aspect of the thread any further. Don't reply if anybody else does before they read this message. Thanks again, gents. Peace, Mike Devour wearing his list-owner hat... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPRILL BEAD QUESTIONS
Bodhi writes: Bovis is a measurement of spiritual energy, life energy of anything. Jonathan counters: With respect, this is not a bona fide measurement by any objective standard.The measurement is whatever the dowser or sensitive says it is.It would be nice if there were some objective way of measuring the claimed force. Reasonable point, Jonathan... However, not impossible to test for, I think? If several dowsers or sensitives give the same number (within a tolerable margin of error) for some unknown object held by a disinterested third party, you would have to wonder whether they're on to something, would you not? If we follow up on this subject, it would be best done on the Off Topic list, please. Be well, Mike D. participant and list owner guy... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSlazer
Hi, you wonderful knowledgable peopleI am wanting to buy a lazer, but I have no idea what to look for, size, strength, etc. Could someone please aim me in the right direction, I see some on Ebay, but as I say, I have no idea what to look for...thanks..Kathy Dear Kathy, The first obvious question is what you'd like to use it for? Then I'm sure you'll get some good input... Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSList Message Problems
Hi Steve, I'm sending this to the list and to you directly, so if things are working as they're supposed to, you should get two copies. The archives are off-line, apparently. I can't reach them either. I wouldn't worry long term. I just spoke with the owners a couple of days ago and they were busy planning a bunch of bug-fixes and continued upgrades to the service. It's just a coincidence they're down right now. As for your posts, they're coming through here just fine, so you should probably investigate the problem as if the list was working and the issue was at your end somewhere. You are shown as properly subscribed to the main list. Let me know privately if you need any assistance with troubleshooting. Great work with the EM/Enzyme studies! Peace, Mike D. Interesting. I did not receive the post I sent below and so I did not know that it posted. Nor did I receive Ted's post below. Nor can I get to the Archives to see the posts that have been made. - Steve N From: Kathryn Clayton [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:38 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSEnzyme Update - OT In oil spill cleanup, they can use several different organisms to eat the oil. The first time it was tried out was with the Exxon Valdez tanker accident. Now they probably have many more of them. In fact, the first biological organism that was able to get a patent was engineered to do just that- help clean up oil spills. I believe it was a guy at Bell Labs, if my memory serves. kathryn On Jun 10, 2010, at 3:21 PM, ted mozell wrote: Hey Steve, Why the hell don't they use the oil one over in the gulf for the monster clean up Ted On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: A quick update on my forage into enzymes. In my first post I referenced a patent regarding the use of enzymes as a pesticide. The patent mentioned Bacto-Zyme as a preferred source of enzymes. In my second post I mentione [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Where's the CS?
G'mornin' gang o' Silverites! Dick and Paula each have given us their take on trying to pry silver- related information from the group. Thanks to you both. Dick, I'm sorry things are noisier and apparently less responsive than is desirable for you. I, too, remembered your post getting at least one answer, I thought two, so in the auto-pilot driven process I use to scan list traffic most days, I did not register your post as unanswered or set out to do anything about it. Not always but usually, I try to notice whether people, particularly newbies, get any answers, and prod things along after a day or two if they don't. As rarely as I actually end up doing that, either folks are being very efficient at answering them or I'm missing a lot more than I'm aware of. The answer is pretty much as Paula has done -- ask again! Thanks, ma'am, for the kind words. Yes, Ken is very helpful. We appreciate having him around. grin You seem to be doing very well. Your questions indicate that you're learning fast. Keep asking. We don't mind repetition, especially for the benefit of newer members. As for topics, when nobody has questions about CS, and the regulars are doing okay for themselves and nothing particularly unusual is happening in their lives, it isn't unusual for the main topic to get drowned out by the noise. I deliberately allow non-CS-related questions to be asked and answered for the simple reason that they will be anyway, and any attempt to stop them would be futile as well as oppressive. In addition, so much valuable information gets passed around that the help-value of the group is multiplied -- so long as those OT discussions are kept more brief than the on-topic ones, as I ask that they be. The analogy of the shop being open and the staff in back at tea is pretty apt. Please ring the bell! We might even invite you back for a cuppa and biscuit, and show you how everything works, if you're interested. One of Dick's comments makes a great point. While for most of us making and using CS has become routine, occasionally reporting a current or recent use story would be a worthy contribution to the group. Just because success has become the norm for you, it doesn't mean others won't benefit from hearing about it. Just a suggestion... I understand that the balance we strike will always be imperfect, at best, and sometimes strays mightily in the direction of noise and clutter. I'll always consider your input if you think things are going too far astray or needs are not being met. Let me know, please. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Tone of voice
Ok, you are right:) Now that Craig and Bodhi seem to have reached a meeting of the... minds? ... sigh Always remember how harsh this all-text medium is. Shout your written words in a nasty voice and you'll get an idea how they come accross to others. Bodhi, first you needed to know that one of the bugs in the current list configuration is that HTML encoded messages conceal the list footer from people viewing the message, no matter the settings of their mail software, unless they are viewing the message source. Thus only plain text messages display a visible footer, and those make up only a large fraction of list traffic. That may have tipped you off to the need to offer a little hand-holding with your too-brief but seemingly sensible instructions. While Craig *was* being all those things you listed, at least a little bit, your message to Joanne/Floyd came across as a bit critical, seeming to assume they had ignored the plainly visible information normally in the footer and should have done better... Perhaps not your intent, but indeed your effective *tone*, to which Craig responded. So it's always fairly safe to temper our answers to *any* question with a little extra measure of loving care in this environment, no matter how it was phrased. Not only does a plain-text medium amplify every concievable edge of sharpness or rudeness in our words, the list software sucks. g In any case, it never hurts to assume that the person asking really *does* need the answer, and deserves all care and consideration until their continued behavior proves otherwise. Sorry for setting a trap like that. Let's do what we can to avoid falling into it in the future, please. Oh, and Joanne/Floyd, if you're still reading, I'm about to process your unsubscription request. You should be okay. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Another e-mail outage
Hi folks, Mail services at eskimo died for another multi-hour period last night and today. I don't believe messages that were sent were lost, but if you can confirm that some were, please let me know (off-list, please). I've contacted the owner of the place to get some idea what's going on and if and when things are going to improve. I'll letcha all know of anything newsworthy. Thank you for your patience. Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: new website that aggregates and distributes personal info (UNCLASSIFIED)
And that becomes another thread to take to the OT list, please!?? Thank you! Mike D. da list owner guy... Bodhi writes: I will assume you were being facetious. If not, I'm not really sure what to say, and don't want to disturb your dream too much. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I think its a good idea to have everyone's DNA on a database then in future if someone commits a crime or a murder, then they can catch them. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
