Re: Bug in Automatic Backup
Hi Mr, on Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:37:06 +1000GMT (23.08.2008, 05:37 +0200GMT here), you wrote: MH What I need to know - where is The Bat getting this old E drive path MH from? It's not from the preferences, that is obvious. It can only be MH from the message base that I've had throughout my Bat installations MH surely? And is there a fix for my problem? It's in the registry. In HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! there is a key Last backup path. It should be safe to change the value and restart The Bat!. -- Cheers Peter MOUSE.DRV not found - use RAT.DRV instead? Y/n Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bug in Automatic Backup
Hi, With a previous The Bat installation, I had the automatic backup set to run at 1300 hours and to backup to the E drive. That was quite a long time ago. Since that time, I have reinstalled Windows and The Bat a few times, but have always kept the same message base (and I think this is the cause of the problem). Now, The Bat continues to want to backup at 1300, and pops up an error message when it can't find the E drive (drive no longer exists). I have gone into The Bat preferences, and the System options are set as thus: Auto Backup: Enabled Backup every 4 days Start at 8:00pm Clicking on Advanced, the backup folder is The Bat folder in Application Data on my C drive, so no problem there. What I need to know - where is The Bat getting this old E drive path from? It's not from the preferences, that is obvious. It can only be from the message base that I've had throughout my Bat installations surely? And is there a fix for my problem? -- Regards, Mr Happy Using The Bat! v4.0.24.0 on Windows XP Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Jos, Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:09:37 PM, you wrote: JK Hello Jack, JK Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 4:03:16 PM, you wrote: JSL I appreciate your suggestion but I'll probably just abandon the idea JSL of automatic or scheduled TB! backups as I manually backup the entire JSL C: drive to the F: drive using Acronis every Saturday. In addition, I JSL also subscribe to Carbonite which automatically (in the background) JSL keeps my entire C: drive backed up off-site in real time. JK Everybody his own system g. Here once a week with Drive Image C: to JK another partition and My Documents, including backups of some programs, on JK a DVD-RW. JSL I'm a little concerned however about your mention of your backup being JSL called ab.tbk. IIRC ab stands for address book. Are you sure you're JSL backing up everything in TB! or is it just the address book? JK Thanks for your concern, but it is a backup of _everything_in The Bat! I JK think here ab stands for automatic backup, but I don't remember if that JK was my or Schedulers choice... Oh jeeez! That, of course, never occurred to me. I can only refer back to my earlier comment about hiding my own Easter eggs. :GP: -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Jos, Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 12:55:50 PM, you wrote: JK Hello Jack, JK Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 6:37:35 PM, you wrote: RO BTW2 No, it isn't possible to start TB's autobackup manually, though RO it appears to be possible to change the time it starts to something RO sooner. JSL I tried this by setting the days counter to the minimum (1 day) and JSL setting the time to now+2 minutes. Sure enough, the autobackup started JSL in a couple of minutes, ran to completion and stored the JSL autobackup.tbk file on the F: drive as specified in the default JSL filename OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED but again, JSL without the date/time embedded in the filename. JK When it is a task in the Scheduler, right click and 'Execute task now'. JK Here, autobackup with notification made in the Scheduler, the filename is JK just ab.tbk. But when I point at this file there is a pop up with date and JK size. I appreciate your suggestion but I'll probably just abandon the idea of automatic or scheduled TB! backups as I manually backup the entire C: drive to the F: drive using Acronis every Saturday. In addition, I also subscribe to Carbonite which automatically (in the background) keeps my entire C: drive backed up off-site in real time. I'm a little concerned however about your mention of your backup being called ab.tbk. IIRC ab stands for address book. Are you sure you're backing up everything in TB! or is it just the address book? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Backup progress window
Hello Jack, Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 4:03:16 PM, you wrote: JSL I appreciate your suggestion but I'll probably just abandon the idea JSL of automatic or scheduled TB! backups as I manually backup the entire JSL C: drive to the F: drive using Acronis every Saturday. In addition, I JSL also subscribe to Carbonite which automatically (in the background) JSL keeps my entire C: drive backed up off-site in real time. Everybody his own system g. Here once a week with Drive Image C: to another partition and My Documents, including backups of some programs, on a DVD-RW. JSL I'm a little concerned however about your mention of your backup being JSL called ab.tbk. IIRC ab stands for address book. Are you sure you're JSL backing up everything in TB! or is it just the address book? Thanks for your concern, but it is a backup of _everything_in The Bat! I think here ab stands for automatic backup, but I don't remember if that was my or Schedulers choice... -- Best regards, Jos Using The Bat! v4.0.24 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hallo Jack, On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:12:06 -0500GMT (2-6-2008, 14:12 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JSL I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out JSL where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s JSL backup at will? How big was your last saved backup and much free space have you got on the drive where you store your backups? And much free space have got left on the drive where your temp directory is stored? In the past it wasn't possible to use macros in the name of the autobackup, has that been changed? That was the reason that I didn't use the autobackup feature but still used my own scheduled backup that allowed for macros in the name. BTW Searching for the files is rather easy, just search for the .tbk extension. BTW2 No, it isn't possible to start TB's autobackup manually, though it appears to be possible to change the time it starts to something sooner. -- Groetjes, Roelof Fatal error : Mac user detected ! IDIOT MODE ON. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.24.16 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpmCkOBGoFPj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Paul, Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 3:37:36 PM, you wrote: -- snip - JSL I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out JSL where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s JSL backup at will? -- snip - PB While you await an expert reply, I do manual backups using: PB Tools PB Backup PB Browse for file etc. PB Select all accounts PB OK DOH! Thanks Paul. I have been using TB! trouble free for so many years I'd forgotten to even look for a problem solution in the menus. I think I'm reaching the point in life where I can hide my own Easter eggs. The steps you suggest should of course produce a backup with a filename created by me. However, the *default* auto-backup filename shown in: OPTIONS PREFERENCES SYSTEM AUTO BACKUP ADVANCED seems to contain macro commands which should produce a backup filename containing the current date/time. As you'll see in a subsequent reply from Roelof, he suggests manually starting the auto-backup by changing the start time of the auto-backup to a close point in the future. Perhaps a minute or two - something I'll try shortly. -- Anyway, thanks for the geezer help. Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 5:03:36 AM, you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:12:06 -0500GMT (2-6-2008, 14:12 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: JSL I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out JSL where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s JSL backup at will? RO How big was your last saved backup and much free space have you got on RO the drive where you store your backups? And much free space have got RO left on the drive where your temp directory is stored? No problem with file size or available disk space. I did a search and found the file autobackup.tbk in the C:\Program Files\The Bat!\MAIL folder with an OS timestamp of 5/31 @ 08:11 which is about the time/date I remember the last autobackup occurring. Why it landed in that location is a mystery. RO In the past it wasn't possible to use macros in the name of the RO autobackup, has that been changed? That was the reason that I didn't RO use the autobackup feature but still used my own scheduled backup RO that allowed for macros in the name. As you can see in a previous paragraph the filename created by TB! is simply autobackup.tbk without any embedded date/time in the filename as it appears in OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED. RO BTW2 No, it isn't possible to start TB's autobackup manually, though RO it appears to be possible to change the time it starts to something RO sooner. I tried this by setting the days counter to the minimum (1 day) and setting the time to now+2 minutes. Sure enough, the autobackup started in a couple of minutes, ran to completion and stored the autobackup.tbk file on the F: drive as specified in the default filename OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED but again, without the date/time embedded in the filename. I next tried a *manual* backup as suggested by Paul in a previous reply using as a filename the one displayed in OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED which is F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk. That produced a .tbk file on the F: drive called exactly F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk. My head is starting to hurt. I think in light of all that I have learned from this thread I'll just cancel the scheduled backup and start it manually from the TOOLS menu as Paul suggested. -- My sincere thanks to all those that have tried to educate me in the mysteries of TB!. Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Backup progress window
Hello Jack, Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 6:37:35 PM, you wrote: RO BTW2 No, it isn't possible to start TB's autobackup manually, though RO it appears to be possible to change the time it starts to something RO sooner. JSL I tried this by setting the days counter to the minimum (1 day) and JSL setting the time to now+2 minutes. Sure enough, the autobackup started JSL in a couple of minutes, ran to completion and stored the JSL autobackup.tbk file on the F: drive as specified in the default JSL filename OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED but again, JSL without the date/time embedded in the filename. When it is a task in the Scheduler, right click and 'Execute task now'. Here, autobackup with notification made in the Scheduler, the filename is just ab.tbk. But when I point at this file there is a pop up with date and size. -- Best regards, Jos Using The Bat! v4.0.24 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Dwight, Sunday, June 1, 2008, 4:43:05 PM, you wrote: DC On Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:46:35 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is essentially locked during the backup? DC No. The machine isn't tied up at all. You just can't get the bat do do DC a backup and do other things at the same time. Makes sense to me. OK. Thank you Dwight and Roelof for the information. I never tried to do anything else with the machine except work in TB while the backup was in progress. Now, if I may beg the audience's indulgence again on this topic - I currently have the standard backup (not an 'update' backup) configured to create a backup file called F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk. I assume this would cause a backup file to be created with the filename F:\autobackup-2008-06-02-xx-xx-xx.tbk with the Xs replaced with the time of creation. My F: drive holds all of my machine's backups. Because of this discussion I looked at my F: drive and noticed that the most recent TB! backup file was named: F:\autobackup.tbk with an OS timestamp of 03/25/2008. The backup which caused me to start this discussion was run a couple of weeks ago and was allowed to run to completion. But where did it go? And as you can see, the last backup file is called simply autobackup.tbk without any time/date info as part of the filename. I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s backup at will? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Backup progress window
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], Monday, June 2, 2008, 4:12:06 AM, you wrote: JSL Hello Dwight, JSL Sunday, June 1, 2008, 4:43:05 PM, you wrote: DC On Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:46:35 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is essentially locked during the backup? DC No. The machine isn't tied up at all. You just can't get the bat do do DC a backup and do other things at the same time. Makes sense to me. JSL OK. Thank you Dwight and Roelof for the information. I never tried to JSL do anything else with the machine except work in TB while the backup JSL was in progress. JSL Now, if I may beg the audience's indulgence again on this topic - I JSL currently have the standard backup (not an 'update' backup) JSL configured to create a backup file called JSL F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk. I assume this JSL would cause a backup file to be created with the filename JSL F:\autobackup-2008-06-02-xx-xx-xx.tbk with the Xs replaced with the JSL time of creation. My F: drive holds all of my machine's backups. JSL Because of this discussion I looked at my F: drive and noticed that JSL the most recent TB! backup file was named: F:\autobackup.tbk with an JSL OS timestamp of 03/25/2008. The backup which caused me to start this JSL discussion was run a couple of weeks ago and was allowed to run to JSL completion. But where did it go? And as you can see, the last backup JSL file is called simply autobackup.tbk without any time/date info as JSL part of the filename. JSL I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out JSL where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s JSL backup at will? While you await an expert reply, I do manual backups using: Tools Backup Browse for file etc. Select all accounts OK -- Paul - Using The Bat! v4.0.24 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 ...Has anyone seen the `ANY' key? Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Jack, Saturday, May 31, 2008, 11:38:59 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: True, I could do that except that when the backup is running, you can't do anything else. There's no way that I can see to make the backup run in the background while you use the computer for other tasks. I cannot confirm that. I have my weekly backup set to Saturday afternoon. Most of the time it occurs when I play World of Warcraft (in windowed fullscreen mode, so the game is basically another window, just without a frame). I get startled because the backup window is in front of my game, hammer lots of keys into the backup window instead of healing some poor guy and then realise what happens. I can just click into my game and the backup goes into the background. No problem here. I guess that should be possible with other windows as well. Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup, though. -- Using The Bat! v4.0.24 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hallo simbabque, On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:07:49 +0200GMT (1-6-2008, 22:07 +0200, where I live), you wrote: S Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup, S though. That won't work. -- Groetjes, Roelof Define the universe. Give three examples. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.24.16 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpWg81Aba0nX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hallo Jack, On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:46:35 -0500GMT (1-6-2008, 22:46 +0200, where I live), you wrote: S Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup, S though. RO That won't work. JSL What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is JSL essentially locked during the backup? Using TB won't work during backup. The computer isn't locked, just TB. -- Groetjes, Roelof WinErr 007: System price error - Inadequate money spent on hardware http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.24.16 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpSUSyAPaOoS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Roelof, Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:39:20 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo simbabque, RO On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:07:49 +0200GMT (1-6-2008, 22:07 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: S Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup, S though. RO That won't work. What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is essentially locked during the backup? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
On Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:46:35 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is essentially locked during the backup? No. The machine isn't tied up at all. You just can't get the bat do do a backup and do other things at the same time. Makes sense to me. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.24.16 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backup progress window
Hello one and all, I currently have TB! setup to perform a backup every 4 days @ 0230hrs. Apparently, this can happen only if TB! is running @ 0230hrs, which, of course, it usually isn't. The consequence of this is that the backup will start at some random time while I'm trying to take care of fetching, reading and answering my latest emails. The backup progress window pops up and cannot be minimized. No reading or answering email can be done during the backup and I have no choice but to wait till the backup is completed or cancel the backup to make the backup window go away. Is there a way to minimize the window during the backup so I can continue handling my emails or do I just have to make sure TB! is running every 4th day @ 0230hrs? My apologies if this has been discussed before but I just don't remember seeing this topic. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
On Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:37:39 AM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Is there a way to minimize the window during the backup so I can continue handling my emails or do I just have to make sure TB! is running every 4th day @ 0230hrs? there is a 3d option. You can choose a time when the computer will be running, so that you continue to have control over when it happens. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.24.16 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Dwight, Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:46:31 AM, you wrote: DAC On Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:37:39 AM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Is there a way to minimize the window during the backup so I can continue handling my emails or do I just have to make sure TB! is running every 4th day @ 0230hrs? DAC there is a 3d option. You can choose a time when the computer will be DAC running, so that you continue to have control over when it happens. True, I could do that except that when the backup is running, you can't do anything else. There's no way that I can see to make the backup run in the background while you use the computer for other tasks. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup problem
Am 12.03.2008 17:33 schrieb Alberto Almagioni: I'm having a problem with and old scheduled backup. ... Now I'm having this problem: every time the scheduled backup tries to write the tbk file in D:\mail, even if I changed all the scheduled works. I guess somewhere the old path is still written but I cannot find it. Can anyone help me? Yes, it is in the registry. Run regedit.exe and select HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!. Scroll down to Last backup path. Delete or alter the entry. -- Cheers Peter Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backup problem
I'm having a problem with and old scheduled backup. As soon as TheBat! was able to schedule autobackup I set up a backup to be run at every three days for all my accounts. The destination folder was d:\mail\ that also was the root folder for TheBat! mail After I changed my pc I reinstalled TheBat! but, as I have e huge, single disk I put as root folder C:\Mail instead of D:\Mail moving there all my mail folders from the old pc. Then I just recreated every account pointing it to the correct folder (e.g. Account 1 C:\Mail\account1, and so on). Now I'm having this problem: every time the scheduled backup tries to write the tbk file in D:\mail, even if I changed all the scheduled works. I guess somewhere the old path is still written but I cannot find it. Can anyone help me? TNX -- Ciao Al mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.almagioni.it/alberto pgp public key: http://www.almagioni.it/alberto/key.html Fingerprint: 4ACF F007 1E71 C640 2359 71AA E4AC DF2E 8A2A 0656 Rispondimi via SMS http://www.gtn.it/sma/sms.php?auth=:B19:14:28:F4C:A2:2A __ Quel che non mi uccide mi fa piu` forte. -- Nietzsche, Crepuscolo degli idoli **Internet Email Confidentiality Footer** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message.If You are not the addressee indicated in this message(or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), You may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, You should destroy this message, and notify our office immediately. If You or Your employer does not consent to Internet email messages of this kind, please advise our office immediately. Opinions, conclusions and other information expressed in this message are not given/endorsed by our firm or employer unless otherwise indicated by an authorized representative independent of this message, and anyway to be treated with strict confidentiality. * Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup Query
Hallo Tom, On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:41:59 +1100GMT (8-2-2008, 7:41 +0100, where I live), you wrote: T I never used the ..tbk file to restore and I am just curious what the T difference is between backing up via ...tbk file or via saving the T mail directory? Any advantages or disadvantage of one over the other? With .tbk you include preferences and registration info (stuff that's stored in the registry, not on disk) Also restoring the address book compresses it (deleting entries from the AB means that they're marked as deleted, they'll stay in the file, but when you backup they won't be included.) Disadvantage is that you can only restore to the same path and that .tbk currently doesn't copy the upload manager and address history yet. Nor will it backup any files that aren't regular TB files (my cookies are stored in a text file in my mail directory, but it won't be included in my backup) -- Groetjes, Roelof The shortest distance between two Points is a BossNode. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.7 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpJDJVTNU4f6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup Query
Friday, February 8, 2008, 7:42:26 PM, you wrote: T I never used the ..tbk file to restore and I am just curious what the T difference is between backing up via ...tbk file or via saving the T mail directory? Any advantages or disadvantage of one over the other? Disadvantage is that you can only restore to the same path Right now my TB installation is the default one with the mail directory under application data on the default drive. So assuming I had to do a reinstall and chose the default set up, TBK import should work fine. On the other hand, you say that if i were to put my mail directory on a separate drive when doing a new installation, an import via tbk would fail? -- Tom using TheBat! 3.99.29 on XP Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup Query
Hallo Tom, On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:00:45 +1100GMT (8-2-2008, 13:00 +0100, where I live), you wrote: T On the other hand, you say that if i were to put my mail T directory on a separate drive when doing a new installation, an import T via tbk would fail? Yes. Unless it has been changed and I didn't notice that. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Babylon Project was our last, best hope for peace. It failed. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.7 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpieY9BrXy0y.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup Query
Friday, February 8, 2008, 11:13:18 PM, you wrote: Hallo Tom, On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:00:45 +1100GMT (8-2-2008, 13:00 +0100, where I live), you wrote: T On the other hand, you say that if i were to put my mail T directory on a separate drive when doing a new installation, an import T via tbk would fail? Yes. Unless it has been changed and I didn't notice that. thanks for that - in that case I better write down the exact path to have the option to match it in future. I notice that each time when I do a new installation there may be slight variations as to which account name I use for XP. If my pc dies, I am not sure if I could remember the full path correctly. I guess it's good then to have a full back up of the mail directory too. -- Tom using TheBat! 3.99.29 on XP Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backup Query
Hello Everyone, I am using the scheduler to back up my email with the output file being xxx.tbk. I also regularly backup my whole folder set under application data. In the past when I had to reinstall my OS (XP) I got everything up and running quickly by copying the full folder set. I also experimented with having the mail directory moved from one drive to another one under preferences and that worked fine too. I never used the ..tbk file to restore and I am just curious what the difference is between backing up via ...tbk file or via saving the mail directory? Any advantages or disadvantage of one over the other? -- Best regards, Tom using TheBat! 3.99.29 on XP Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup Query
Hallo Tom, On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:06:21 +1100GMT (7-11-2007, 8:06 +0100, where I live), you wrote: T hmmm, I don't seem to see any .qtn files on my harddrive? Are you using OTFE? In that case they're stored in account.etn files. T Not sure what OTFE means - I am using the Home edition and cannot find T any .etn files either. OTFE = On The Fly Encryption: an encrypted message base, a feature of the pro edition. When you haven't got any account.qtn files on your harddrive, the the only conclusion I can reach is that you haven't got any quick templates. -- Groetjes, Roelof WinErr 004: Erroneous error - nothing is wrong http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.27.2 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgppYcSbDmeFx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup Query
Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 7:31:50 PM, you wrote: Hallo Tom, On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:06:21 +1100GMT (7-11-2007, 8:06 +0100, where I live), you wrote: T hmmm, I don't seem to see any .qtn files on my harddrive? Are you using OTFE? In that case they're stored in account.etn files. T Not sure what OTFE means - I am using the Home edition and cannot find T any .etn files either. OTFE = On The Fly Encryption: an encrypted message base, a feature of the pro edition. When you haven't got any account.qtn files on your harddrive, the the only conclusion I can reach is that you haven't got any quick templates. sorry Roelof - my mistake - I do have dozens of QT and using them really simplifies my life. My search for the files was wrong, using ?.qtn did not show a result - should have used * instead. I found them now in the same application data folder as the rest of the stuff. -- Tom using TheBat! 3.99.3 on XP Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup Query
Monday, November 5, 2007, 6:04:09 PM, you wrote: T hmmm, I don't seem to see any .qtn files on my harddrive? Are you using OTFE? In that case they're stored in account.etn files. Not sure what OTFE means - I am using the Home edition and cannot find any .etn files either. -- Tom using TheBat! 3.99.3 on XP Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup Query
Hallo Tom, On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:14:33 +1100GMT (4-11-2007, 4:14 +0100, where I live), you wrote: T I have scheduled a weekly backup and include Acc. Properties, Folders, T Address Books, Global Options and Attachments. That's what I do too. T a) do I need to backup quick templates separately or are they included T in one of the above headings? Where would I find my current QT? QTs are included with all of that. My guess is that they're part of 'account properties' as they're account specific. On disk they're stored in the account.qtn files. T b) as mentioned I never had to use a backup but my harddrive now T contains 2 dozen tbk files of increasing size. Assuming I don't notice T a sudden unexplained drop in file size, is there any reason not to T delete older backups? Not that I can think of. I've been doing for that ages. BTW I've my .tbk files twice. Once for switching to OTFE and once for installing Voyager. -- Groetjes, Roelof A vote on the tally sheet is worth two in the box. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.27.2 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgprjqkhC6bjp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup Query
Sunday, November 4, 2007, 6:05:49 PM, you wrote: QTs are included with all of that. My guess is that they're part of 'account properties' as they're account specific. On disk they're stored in the account.qtn files. hmmm, I don't seem to see any .qtn files on my harddrive? -- Tom using TheBat! 3.99.3 on XP Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup Query
Hallo Tom, On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:39:08 +1100GMT (5-11-2007, 7:39 +0100, where I live), you wrote: QTs are included with all of that. My guess is that they're part of 'account properties' as they're account specific. On disk they're stored in the account.qtn files. T hmmm, I don't seem to see any .qtn files on my harddrive? Are you using OTFE? In that case they're stored in account.etn files. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows-Reboot more before 9AM than most users do all day http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.27.2 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpS6BFAPwcG5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backup Query
Hello Everyone, just wondering about backups? I have scheduled a weekly backup and include Acc. Properties, Folders, Address Books, Global Options and Attachments. This appears to work fine (fortunately never had to use them) and the output is a .tbk file. Two question: a) do I need to backup quick templates separately or are they included in one of the above headings? Where would I find my current QT? b) as mentioned I never had to use a backup but my harddrive now contains 2 dozen tbk files of increasing size. Assuming I don't notice a sudden unexplained drop in file size, is there any reason not to delete older backups? My assumption is that if my most recent backup does not work, it's likely that the older ones might also have problems but more to the point, the value of a backup taken a year ago with respect emails is not very high or am I missing something? -- Best regards, Tom using TheBat! 3.99.3 on XP Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Corrupt Backup
I lost my hard drive yesterday. Now I find out that my backup of TheBat! is corrupted (Error reading file ...). Do I have any options? Is there any way I can investigate the backup to recover even some data. My e-mail is the only significant loss on the hard drive. Everything else was on the server. Thanks. -- Michael Rudnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Automatic Backup File Name Date and Time stamping
I am using The Bat Pro version 3.98.4 under xp and I would like to make a weekly backup of my mail data to a file named: D:\Backup\ApplicationData\PCName%Date=-MM-DD-%Time=HH-MM-SS.tbk However, this seems too long to paste into the dialog box in Options \ Preferences \ System \ Autobackup and if I instead browse to the folder and then paste PCName%Date=-MM-DD-%Time=HH-MM-SS.tbk into the file name box I get an error message Invalid File Name How can I date and time stamp my automatic backups? -- Thanks, Ian Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatic Backup File Name Date and Time stamping
Hello Ian, Wednesday, March 7, 2007, 2:53:21 PM, among other things, you wrote: I D:\Backup\ApplicationData\PCName%Date=-MM-DD-%Time=HH-MM-SS.tbk I However, this seems too long to paste into the dialog box in Options \ I Preferences \ System \ Autobackup and if I instead browse to the I folder and then paste PCName%Date=-MM-DD-%Time=HH-MM-SS.tbk I into the file name box I get an error message Invalid File Name I How can I date and time stamp my automatic backups? Try: PCName%Date(-mm-dd)-%Time(HH-mm-ss).tbk Because of the limited space in the file name 'window' you may have to enter small blocks of the text starting from the right. For example first enter%Time(HH-mm-ss).tbk and then enter the next block at the left of the first etc. -- Best regards, Roger :flag-southafrica: The Bat! v3.98.4 :beta: with AntispamSniper 1.8.0.8 , on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatic Backup File Name Date and Time stamping
Hi On Wednesday 7 March 2007 at 12:53:21 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ian wrote: I am using The Bat Pro version 3.98.4 under xp and I would like to make a weekly backup of my mail data to a file named: D:\Backup\ApplicationData\PCName%Date=-MM-DD-%Time=HH-MM-SS.tbk However, this seems too long to paste into the dialog box in Options \ Preferences \ System \ Autobackup and if I instead browse to the folder and then paste PCName%Date=-MM-DD-%Time=HH-MM-SS.tbk into the file name box I get an error message Invalid File Name How can I date and time stamp my automatic backups? If the backup is *weekly* do you really require time as well as date stamping? You could use a short path/filename automatically rename/move it using a batch file (others here can help more than I can with this). -- Best regards, MFPA Free advice costs nothing until you act upon it Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Auto Backup in 3.98
Anyone know where the setting is hidden for this feature? -- Paul - Using The Bat! v3.98.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 ...I misplaced my dictionary. Now I'm at a loss for words. Current version is 3.98 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Auto Backup in 3.98
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], Saturday, March 3, 2007, 12:29:27 PM, you wrote: IAWRTL Paul, IAWRTL On Saturday, March 3, 2007, 1:58:46 PM, you (Paul Berger) wrote: PB Anyone know where the setting is hidden for this feature? IAWRTL Options|Preferences|System at the bottom of the dialog. Many thanks, Ian. -- Paul - Using The Bat! v3.98.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 ...Better to understand a little than to misunderstand a lot. Current version is 3.98 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup error - corrupt index or ... ?
hi roelof, message from roelof otten created on 2/10/2007 follows ... First thing you do is create a new folder and copy all messages for your faulty folder to the new one. Check whether all messages have really been copied, if so delete all messages in the faulty folder and compress it. That ought to to take care of things. (You could delete the messages.tbb and .tbi from the defunct folder.) In case not all messages are copied, close TB and move the messages.tbb from that folder to a safe place, you can delete the messages.tbi Now start TB again. Try to import the messages from your moved messages.tbb file. i tried the above steps multiple times but TB backup pops up the same error message as it processes that inbox each and every time. lacking any ideas of my own, my next step is to let the backup continue and do a test restore to determine what, if anything, is wrong with the restored messages. apart from keeping a safe copy of the messages.tbb file to import from if necessary, i don't know what else to try. thanks/regards, .. mark davidson -- Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
backup error - corrupt index or ... ?
i'm seeing an error during backup ... same inbox every time. TB pops up a message indicating it might be a problem with the index with an instruction to delete the index and reload TB to recreate the index. i did this several times without success ... the error repeats on every backup. i don't know if it's related but this particular inbox compresses every time i close TB ... even when no mail was received. this does not occur with any of my other accounts. i'm currently running 3.96.04 beta. does anyone have a thought as to what the problem might be and how to fix it? thanks/regards, .. mark davidson -- Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup error - corrupt index or ... ?
Hallo mark, On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:58:43 -0500GMT (11-2-2007, 0:58 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MD i'm seeing an error during backup ... same inbox every time. MD TB pops up a message indicating it might be a problem with the MD index with an instruction to delete the index and reload TB to MD recreate the index. i did this several times without success ... MD the error repeats on every backup. First thing you do is create a new folder and copy all messages for your faulty folder to the new one. Check whether all messages have really been copied, if so delete all messages in the faulty folder and compress it. That ought to to take care of things. (You could delete the messages.tbb and .tbi from the defunct folder.) In case not all messages are copied, close TB and move the messages.tbb from that folder to a safe place, you can delete the messages.tbi Now start TB again. Try to import the messages from your moved messages.tbb file. And in case you're using OTFE the messages.tbb and .tbi files have an .ebb and .ebi extension. -- Groetjes, Roelof Every person gets to heaven in their own way. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.96.04 (BETA) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp42wUJyUwuJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup and Address Books
Hallo Loek, On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:17:08 +0100GMT (26-1-2007, 7:17 +0100, where I live), you wrote: I regularly use the backup utility of The Bat! to backup my mail files. What's annoying is that every time I must re-select which address books I want to back up. LVK I *think* the last selection is automatically remembered if you LVK back-up using the scheduler, I think the same, but then I deleted all those extra address books in my setup. LVK -- Please don't leave out the trailing space of your cutsign. After all you've a rather substantial signature. A correct signature delimiter is: dash dash space enter -- Groetjes, Roelof Computer: Tea, earl gray, hot. In a cup this time! http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.95.8 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp3JkkDTI9Op.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup and Address Books
Dear Roelof, Please don't leave out the trailing space of your cutsign. After all you've a rather substantial signature. A correct signature delimiter is: dash dash space enter I made a few changes recently and changed the signature into a Quick Template (in which it is impossible to spot whether a trailing space is for real or not). Let's see if this works. Best regards, Loek van Kooten -- Akebono Translation Service Rijnstraat 32 2311 NK Leiden The Netherlands Tel: +31-71-5128026 Fax: +31-84-7390618 www.akebono.nl Algemene voorwaarden: www.akebono.nl/algemeen.doc Terms and conditions: www.akebono.nl/terms.doc Reg.no. Chamber of Commerce: 28066372 IMPORTANT: All delivery dates stated in quotes are as of the moment the quote was sent and can change as soon as other projects come in. BELANGRIJK: Bij alle leveringsdata in offertes gaan we uit van de agenda op dat moment. De data kunnen wijzigen zodra er andere projecten binnenkomen. Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup and Address Books
Hallo Loek, On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:27:10 +0100GMT (26-1-2007, 12:27 +0100, where I live), you wrote: LVK Let's see if this works. Yes -- Groetjes, Roelof Live short and fester. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.95.8 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpQ0k1UtjRZk.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Backup and Address Books
I regularly use the backup utility of The Bat! to backup my mail files. What's annoying is that every time I must re-select which address books I want to back up. LVK I *think* the last selection is automatically remembered if you LVK back-up using the scheduler, I think the same, but then I deleted all those extra address books in my setup. I had deleted the Intermediate and Trusted Root Folders from my Address Book, but they still showed up in the backup utility list. So I went to C:\Program Files\TheBat!|Mail and found they were still there. So I deleted them from that folder. I closed TB, reopened it, and checked the backup utility. The Intermediate and Trusted Root items were still there. I went back to Program Files\TheBat!\Mail only to find the folders I'd deleted had been apparently recreated when I reopened TB. Wonder why this is. Seems unfriendly of TB to continue to force me to deal with something I don't want. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup and Address Books
Hello Mike, Friday, January 26, 2007, 7:13:43 AM, you wrote: MG I regularly use the backup utility of The Bat! to backup my mail files. MG What's annoying is that every time I must re-select which address books I want to back up. MG Why does the utility not give me the option of setting the address book backup defaults? My backups [one of them is the entire TB-directory] are done automatically with Second Copy www.secondcopy.com. Reliable and very easy to set up. But if you do not want to spend some money on it, there are freeware alternatives too: http://www.2brightsparks.com/freeware/freeware-hub.html -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backup and Address Books
I regularly use the backup utility of The Bat! to backup my mail files. What's annoying is that every time I must re-select which address books I want to back up. I don't understand why I can't set a default for which address books I want backed up--with the option to change them if I want. Instead, I'm given some option by TheBat! which I must uncheck (Intermediate CA--I have no idea what that is and don't use it) and then re-check the ones I want. Why does the utility not give me the option of setting the address book backup defaults? -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup and Address Books
Dear Mike, I regularly use the backup utility of The Bat! to backup my mail files. What's annoying is that every time I must re-select which address books I want to back up. I *think* the last selection is automatically remembered if you back-up using the scheduler, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Best regards, Loek van Kooten -- Akebono Translation Service Rijnstraat 32 2311 NK Leiden The Netherlands Tel: +31-71-5128026 Fax: +31-84-7390618 www.akebono.nl Algemene voorwaarden: www.akebono.nl/algemeen.doc Terms and conditions: www.akebono.nl/terms.doc Reg.no. Chamber of Commerce: 28066372 IMPORTANT: All delivery dates stated in quotes are as of the moment the quote was sent and can change as soon as other projects come in. BELANGRIJK: Bij alle leveringsdata in offertes gaan we uit van de agenda op dat moment. De data kunnen wijzigen zodra er andere projecten binnenkomen. Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective backup
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 at 02:14:34 +0200, Peter wrote: MJ This misses the point. I want to be able to selectively restore MJ bac into the Bat! and/or browse the archived mail if necessary. I tend to remember a name like 'mailbag' ...??? Mailbag Assistant from Fookes Software (http://www.fookes.com) -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.4 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective backup
I searched the archive and found an old message about a backup program that can selectively save and restore individual folders. The link now Alexander wrote Since TB folders exist exactly like shown in the program on your harddrive, you don't need any special program for that. This misses the point. I want to be able to selectively restore bac into the Bat! and/or browse the archived mail if necessary. As another message pointed out, just copying folders/files back to the Bat! doesn't make them accessible to the Bat! without some hacking. I want to avoid that. -- -- Mary -- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Selective backup
I searched the archive and found an old message about a backup program that can selectively save and restore individual folders. The link now leads to software that only works with Outlook Express. I've searched for other email backup archive programs that can backup or archive selective Bat! folders and haven't found one. Anyone know of any such programs? -- -- Mary -- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup cannot write
Hallo Mary, On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 10:08:12 -0700GMT (24-9-2006, 19:08 , where I live), you wrote: MJ I'm using the 1.63 version of bat! in Abacus law program. About a MJ week ago, I suddenly cannot backup. Every time it hangs partway MJ through saying cannot write [backupfilename]. Check whether you've got enough diskspace for a full backup. You're describing what happened to me and I had run out of disk space. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows '95 = Mac O/S '84 http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpMfFtVvD0li.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: backup cannot write)
Hallo Mary, On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 10:08:12 -0700GMT (24-9-2006, 19:08 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MJ web site (stil 1.63). That didn't fix it either. MJ ___ MJ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mary. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderator: Person with a parity error between the ears. pgp4bFpxCBlLX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup cannot write
Any idea other than checking the maintenance log (I already did that) on how to figure out which of my 700+ folders is the problem or how to fix the problem? How to fix the problem is what I choose, this time. Do it (the backup) using some other, separate, program. I have another program (Vice Versa Pro) which regularly backups up all my data (including the Bat!) every night to alternating storage locations. But I've had some problems in the past getting Bat! to recognize all the folders and see all the messages when I simply copy back without using the restore function. Also, I use the backup/restore function as a crude means of synchronizing with my laptop as the synchronization feature does not work in Abascusbat. Mary ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup cannot write
MJ I'm using the 1.63 version of bat! in Abacus law program. About a MJ week ago, I suddenly cannot backup. Every time it hangs partway MJ through saying cannot write [backupfilename]. Check whether you've got enough diskspace for a full backup. You're describing what happened to me and I had run out of disk space. I've checked that too. Its a large drive with about 30 gb of free space. Mary ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup cannot write
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: TIGER192 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 25 Sep 2006, @ @ at 05:29:36 -0700, when Mary Jensen wrote: I have another program (Vice Versa Pro) which regularly backups up all my data (including the Bat!) every night to alternating storage locations. But I've had some problems in the past getting Bat! to recognize all the folders and see all the messages when I simply copy back without using the restore function. Simply copying back will not work if we do not understand entire mechanism (or the parts involved), of how the both (various) backup programs and TBat work. For instance, in the file Account.flx (dwelling in an account folder) are names and the order of all the folders of the given account. So, if we simply copy (just) some folder back, with related message database (the file Messages.tbb), and this folder is not (for any reasons) listed in the Account.flx, then TBat will not be able to recognize it. And so on. Also, I use the backup/restore function as a crude means of synchronizing with my laptop as the synchronization feature does not work in Abascusbat. Well, might be that sometimes is better to stick to TBat's internal backup/restore machine, than to get into something new/else, even if this is more effective and safer. It's quite okay and it mostly works quite fine, and stresslessly. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRRguLbSpHvHEUtv8AQZgxAf/eCypRiaoThPyWu/BsdZTis5FKJAlBbdb na8bPx9OoLq6prGLFEZG2Fgb0wpxj9wmw7wcIu1eHjKPgijsOymI+GRv8RESeomU vbw4dBYkh6mjgo9AS4jpehmb2y72yTeaFBicmtz8H8rTWiFQlm8/RdTqaO0X8bFB aeL7g/Szk23xHEnYNLhZgPP5SlezoRc0rDm6eaCeoeQGEa6mJmiz9Qyk2fZABsm1 3Di5jr27P4XFjyZDQR8/z0Jn9en8jK1fvoWVj/di/qxVOCeHwRtCJ6Ti2TvnCG4w IgpQRUNnh49nLdL+jGUGnvfsBdMsd0vdNZwJjmkkzeoIJynupP+kOw== =DKDO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
backup cannot write
I'm using the 1.63 version of bat! in Abacus law program. About a week ago, I suddenly cannot backup. Every time it hangs partway through saying cannot write [backupfilename]. I suspect a corrupted folder but can't find it. Ran maintenance and it says nothing to do. I checked each of my 700+ folders and eliminated all the ones that show zero messages. Still won't write. I've defragged my drive, tried saving to different directories and different file names, tried saving to different drives and still it doesn't work. I'm not trying to save over a network. It is all in the same machine. I tried saving just the main accounts without the common folders and that seems to work. But when I try to backup just the common folders, it gives the can't write error. Any idea other than checking the maintenance log (I already did that) on how to figure out which of my 700+ folders is the problem or how to fix the problem? BTW, I tried unstalling and reinstalling Abacusbat and even redownloading and reinstalling the latest Abacusbat from the Abacus web site (stil 1.63). That didn't fix it either. ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup cannot write
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: TIGER192 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 24 Sep 2006, @ @ at 10:08:12 -0700, when Mary Jensen wrote: Any idea other than checking the maintenance log (I already did that) on how to figure out which of my 700+ folders is the problem or how to fix the problem? How to fix the problem is what I choose, this time. Do it (the backup) using some other, separate, program. It is simplest, fastest and safest way (particularly if we deal with lots of folders; I have near to 400 of them). You can simply compress/archive the whole your \Mail folder (using WinZip or any other archiving program - PowerArchiver 2001 is free for instance and very good, writing and reading numerous archive formats), or you can use a standalone backup program as My Own Backup v2.1 is, also freeware. They all will write always, no matter what happens with TBat, internally, and will always be able to expand back the backup they make. Besides, there are even more good reasons why to do that this way, but basically they all could be reduced to the one: TB is a mailer, but is not a backup machine, or encrypting software and so on. The more side functions is built-in in a software with the basic designated function, the more chances are that they will get in collision, or confused one by another. This way of backing up using standalone backup programs is even more significant if we deal with lots of mail and besides a such one we consider as valuable (be that some work and some official documentation, or something else). * And, for the end, let me quote the famous and unfathomable Hammer Von Troll: It's not that sad when backup cannot write as it is when backup cannot read. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRRcYP7SpHvHEUtv8AQaCCgf/UeojrvXtzsONApFIJdL5CNFr00gDwwEF Gze6VZOTu/6420tbFly6oRcxdM8/ACg0j8cBgys7WmlSDg1H/dZSf2J20Z2zBTvE aPKZ6BvQSrJ2tILJMBI2EZ+SZAKwVFgxhwF8R9TS8iWOHP5NLFXMVBgHDAuVvSg5 6tDYSDrG71b2z+iLrnXdfF77kyltoqbBcJGYVd4+ZExWG3f2Xy7AelSDlMUq8F6P Mf9JSPJeOnHUvvuGJzYDXjrghXdQdymSTBcDf+HXA052b+mL9L4CHNWuinB9xiuM aopd9XrabHxAxjBfzJ9JwkBItuBUvmVlRYmCrvscumP0fO5MFGyXdw== =UQKP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problems with backup
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Hello Philippe Macaire everyone else, on 30-Aug-2006 at 10:06 you (Philippe Macaire) wrote: Any experience, someone? None with TBs backup and that sizes - but what happens when you set up a similar backup event with ntbackup? You could compare the results of the incremental backup with those from TB and see if its any different. Thanks for the pointer to ntbackup, but I would really like to have a more efficient backup using TB (I'm currently using a free version of SyncBack, a really nice product for backup and syncronization -- check here: http://www.2brightsparks.com/). Actually, I tried to cleanup a bit my accounts, by moving old messages into special (Common) folders. Then I made a full maintenance operation (compression, integrity check, ecc.). Unfortunately I don't know which of the two operations made things work, but now my incremental backup (excluding the huge common folders) works like a breeze! Next time I will try to separate these two operations in order to check which one may have been the actual solution. Thanks for the help anyway. -- Best regards, Philippe. Using The Bat! 3.80.06 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problems with backup
Hi everyone, I'm trying to use the incremental backup feature of The Bat! but I'm having a bit of trouble. I have several accounts, one of them much bigger than the others (for work), with something like 70.000 mails, and a lot of quite big attachments. The resulting backup file is something like 2.4 GB. I don't seem to have problems in backing up all my accounts at once. The problem arises when I try to do an incremental backup (which I would like to do once a day), because the resulting file is almost as big as the full backup one, and it takes way too long (it works as if it weren't incremental at all). What's strange is that when I exclude from my backup my big account, everything works fine, and the backup file is reasonably small. I was wondering if the account dimension, or that of one of its subfolders, could be a problem. Note that the account is configured to store attachments in message bodies. Any experience, someone? Thanks for your help. -- Best regards, Philippe. Using The Bat! 3.80.06 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with backup
Hello Philippe Macaire everyone else, on 30-Aug-2006 at 10:06 you (Philippe Macaire) wrote: Any experience, someone? None with TBs backup and that sizes - but what happens when you set up a similar backup event with ntbackup? You could compare the results of the incremental backup with those from TB and see if its any different. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Nothing is rich but the inexhaustible wealth of nature. She shows only surfaces, but she is a million fathoms deep. (Ralph Waldo Emerson) Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB! -- Issue Resolved
Hi On Thursday 17 August 2006 at 3:00:57 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Perry Nelson wrote: (I wrote this reply on August 15th, but the message bounced with a permanent failure notice for TBUDL. So, sorry for the delayed response.) I got permanent failure notices for TBUDL for a couple of days about two weeks ago. -- Best regards, MFPA No matter where you go, there you are. Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB! -- Issue Resolved
Hi Alexander, Tuesday, August 15, 2006, 7:03:36 AM, you wrote: Is Scheduler known to have problems with executing reliably? ASK Sorry, no. I have no idea. I'm not using the scheduler. No problem. (I wrote this reply on August 15th, but the message bounced with a permanent failure notice for TBUDL. So, sorry for the delayed response.) ASK I just thought its a rather complicated way to make a backup and ASK felt the urge to add a comment to this rather important issue. I'm glad you did. I always find your comments insightful and helpful, and in this case, they led me to rethink how to achieve my objective. And now, are you ready for this? This morning out of the blue the email was generated, signifying the completion of the backup! Granted it was generated an hour late, at 02:45 a.m. rather than 01:45 a.m., but it was created and sent. That was the first time that the email was auto-generated without my running the task manually. Also the incremental backup was done. I have no explanation for why it suddenly works. I plan to leave the task in place for a couple of more nights just to see if it continues to work. However, I'm not going to rely on that backup as my way to restore TB! if necessary but on my regular backup procedure instead. Update on 8/17/06: The scheduled action has now worked for three days in a row, still an hour late, but that is of no consequence to me. Here is the content of the three messages I've received. Backup successful at 2:45:00 AM on Tuesday, August 15, 2006. Backup successful at 2:45:00 AM on Wednesday, August 16, 2006. Backup successful at 2:45:00 AM on Thursday, August 17, 2006. In the interim, I've setup my usual backup routine to backup both the home folder and the mail folder, so I am covered. I'll do a periodic backup of the whole installation using TB!'s internal backup tool, just so I have that in case I need it. Sorry to have caused undue alarm over the fact that it didn't work immediately, but I appreciate everyone's attempt to help. I don't know why it needed a three day running start to work, but work it now does. And now that it works, I'll probably delete that task in favor of the alternate backup strategy mentioned above. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB! -- Issue Resolved
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 17-Aug-2006 at 16:00 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: Sorry to have caused undue alarm over the fact that it didn't work immediately, but I appreciate everyone's attempt to help. I don't know why it needed a three day running start to work, but work it now does. Maybe TB needs to arrange its own schedule first. Dang! Guys, I can't go flyin' out to the pub any more, my owner has scheduled a nightly backup! - A, but what about the unfinished round of poker? - key, I'll be there, but only until sunday, fellas, I can't keep missing this event or they'll start filing bug reports and whatnot... you know, I've got users! And now that it works, I'll probably delete that task in favor of the alternate backup strategy mentioned above. *grin* -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Blessed are the young, for they shall inherit the national debt. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 14-Aug-2006 at 00:14 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: However, I would still like to understand why Scheduler in TB! isn't triggering the backup I have set up. I'd like to be able to rely on Scheduler to run tasks, but if it won't execute a properly created task, I can't do that. Do you have any idea why the event I have set up is not being triggered? Is Scheduler known to have problems with executing reliably? Sorry, no. I have no idea. I'm not using the scheduler. I just thought its a rather complicated way to make a backup and felt the urge to add a comment to this rather important issue. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Hell would be a small universe that we could explore thoroughly and fully comprehend. -- Timothy Ferris Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:44:37 -0400, Chris W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my full backup file is nearly 80 MB, and the incremental files grow by about a megabyte a day... Only 80 megs? You, sir, are only a novice. This amateur's backups are a paltry 300 megs. Duh, those sizes are long beyond significance - unfortunately. -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:14:19 -0400, Perry Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I would still like to understand why Scheduler in TB! isn't triggering the backup I have set up. Does it trigger other tasks? Try some very simple, partial tasks of what you planned originally. You may be able to figure out at what point TB! ceases. -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hi Cory, Monday, August 14, 2006, 9:39:09 AM, you wrote: C Does it trigger other tasks? That's actually a very helpful question. Thanks. C Try some very simple, partial tasks of what you planned originally. I set up a simple test event and set it to notify me. It did NOT occur as scheduled! So it would appear that scheduler isn't triggering ANY events on my system. Now the chore is to figure out why. For the record, this feature HAS worked in the past (at least for simple tasks), prior to my having to reinstall recently. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Perry, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 5:04:01 PM, you wrote: PN Can you tell me what to change to cause this event to trigger PN automatically every night as it should? I'll reiterate that if I PN manually cause this scheduled event to execute immediately, it does PN everything just exactly as it should. I periodically have a problem with scheduler. My backup settings are identical with the exception of the e-mail, and it works fine. But a different task set within scheduler fails to run now after working fine for over a year. Another one runs fine - most of the time. (I have the same problem with the maintenance center: most folders get purged according to the settings I have, but two do not even though settings are identical to others.) I don't know if it'll help, but try deleting the task and creating a new one. -- Cheers, Rick Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hi TBUDL, Because I recently had to restore TB! from a 2 month old backup, I decided to use the Scheduler to have TB! do a nightly incremental backup. I set it up to run at 01:45 a.m. each night and to send an email immediately upon completion from one account to another using a template that reports the time and date of the successful backup. When I execute this recurring event from the Scheduler, it performs exactly as I designed it. It does the backup, creates and sends the email, and the email reports exactly what it should. Therefore, I conclude from this that the event is set up properly. However, my problem is that the event isn't triggered automatically. When I examine the properties of the event, everything looks like it is set up properly, so I must be overlooking something. Here's what is on each tab of the properties of the event: General tab: Description: Backup TB! each night. Start Friday, August 11, 2006 at 01:45 a.m. Duration is 1 hour. Nothing else is checked. Actions tab: Execute these actions when event starts = Backup, and Execute these actions when event finishes = Create/Send message. Recurrence tab: Repeat this event every 1 Day. Stop repeating this event = Never. Advanced tab: Event occurs according to these rules: Time = 01:45 a.m. Days = Every day, Week = Every week, and Months = Every month. Links tab: Has nothing set. Categories tab: Has nothing set. Can you tell me what to change to cause this event to trigger automatically every night as it should? I'll reiterate that if I manually cause this scheduled event to execute immediately, it does everything just exactly as it should. Thanks for any suggestions you may have. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hello Perry, On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PN However, my problem is that the event isn't triggered automatically. I do a backup each night too. The only difference is that I don't send myself a message afterwards but, apart from that, my settings are the same as yours and my backup runs as it should so I can't help - sorry :-( -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.81.14 Beta. POP3 account AntispamSniper plug-in | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hi Richard, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 8:28:16 AM, you wrote: RW I do a backup each night too. The only difference is that I don't RW send myself a message afterwards but, apart from that, my settings RW are the same as yours and my backup runs as it should so I can't RW help - sorry :-( Thanks for confirming that your settings match mine. I doubt that my sending myself a message afterwards would cause it not to run though. The reason I added that step was to confirm automatically that it had been done. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
On Sunday, August 13, 2006, at 7:04:01 AM, Perry Nelson wrote: Thanks for any suggestions you may have. What are the properties of your Backup event on the Actions tab (highlight the event and click Edit to view them)? I'm running an incremental backup every night at 11:59 p.m. local time and it seems to be working perfectly. I do a full system backup at 4 a.m., which captures the TB backup file, and so I delete the TB backup files each Saturday and create a new full backup manually. This is to keep the files from filling the disk, since my full backup file is nearly 80 MB, and the incremental files grow by about a megabyte a day... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hi Jim, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 11:41:25 AM, you wrote: jjc What are the properties of your Backup event on the Actions tab jjc (highlight the event and click Edit to view them)? Backup Tab: What to backup: Account Properties Folders with Messages Address Books (all options selected) Global Options Attachment Files Backup Method Create an Update to existing archive (Path specified) Comment: Auto Backup and a check in the option to add a timestamp to the comment. Select Tab: All three accounts are selected. I appreciate knowing your overall plan. I may move to something similar if I can get this basic automatic backup to work. Until that happens, I don't have to worry about the HD filling up with backups. ;-) -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Scheduling Backup of TB!
On Sunday, August 13, 2006, at 10:56:03 AM, Perry Nelson wrote: Backup Method Create an Update to existing archive (Path specified) Did you create a full backup using the specified path? So far as I can tell, a full backup is necessary for the add timestamp feature to work. For example, my full backup is today.tbk and the incrementals become today1.tbk through today7.tbk as the scheduler creates them. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 13-Aug-2006 at 14:04 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: Because I recently had to restore TB! from a 2 month old backup, I decided to use the Scheduler to have TB! do a nightly incremental backup. You're using Windows XP. Your computer is running overnight to run the backup event you created within TB. I wonder, why don't you use NTbackup?!? You can schedule an NTbackup task just as well (not with TBs scheduler, I mean the Windows scheduler) if your machine is running anyway. NTbackup is basically the same as a standalone version of Veritas (now Symantec) Backup Exec, one of the most widely used backup programs in the professional IT world. NTbackup is shipped with *every* Windows (at least the NT series) - if you're using XP Home you have to install it from the CD (which is described here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302894/) while on Windows2000 and XP Pro its already part of the default installation. And since Windows XP has a function called shadowcopies you can even back up the live registry and other vital system data (all together MS calls it systemstate) to have a backup thats worth the name. NTbackup is a nice and easy to use backup program. Creating and scheduling a backup event is a piece of cake! Using the wizard mode, even a novice can create a scheduled backup with it. The only important thing is that you should have a password set for your Windows user account because the Windows scheduler wants that in order to run the scheduled event with the correct user credentials. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Even the most overstuffed domestic cat demands a nocturnal prowl and the chance to leap upon an unsuspecting bird. -- Desmond Morris Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hi Alexander, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 1:54:11 PM, you wrote: ASK Your computer is running overnight to run the backup event you ASK created within TB. I wonder, why don't you use NTbackup?!? Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this issue. The plan you suggest may well be a better alternative than the one I had made, and I may consider doing it that way. In fact, I could even backup TB! from outside of it using the same daily routine I use to backup my system via FTP to my web hosting company. However, I would still like to understand why Scheduler in TB! isn't triggering the backup I have set up. I'd like to be able to rely on Scheduler to run tasks, but if it won't execute a properly created task, I can't do that. Do you have any idea why the event I have set up is not being triggered? Is Scheduler known to have problems with executing reliably? -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Perry Nelson @ 2006-8-13 8:04:01 AM Scheduling Backup of TB! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] However, my problem is that the event isn't triggered automatically. Silly question: do you leave The Bat! running over night? -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. This aphorism would be seven words long if it were six words shorter. pgp1kH8nhV6JP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 2006-8-13 11:41:25 AM Scheduling Backup of TB! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] my full backup file is nearly 80 MB, and the incremental files grow by about a megabyte a day... Only 80 megs? You, sir, are only a novice. This amateur's backups are a paltry 300 megs. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Software documentation pgpFe3UUZcD4t.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hi Chris, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 6:32:39 PM, you wrote: CW Silly question: do you leave The Bat! running over night? Chuckle. Yes, I did, but thanks for asking. ;-) -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Scheduled backup is failing...
MG The following destination backup is failing... MG E:\TheBatBackUp\TheBatBackUp-%DATE-%TIME.tbk I just tested this succesfully: D:\Mijn Backups\The Bat!\%Date=-MM-DD-%Time=HH-MM-SS.tbk It gave me: 2006-05-01-00-50-31.tbk Thanks - I'll try that -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.71.03 with POPFile 0.22.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Scheduled backup is failing...
I just tested this succesfully: D:\Mijn Backups\The Bat!\%Date=-MM-DD-%Time=HH-MM-SS.tbk It gave me: 2006-05-01-00-50-31.tbk That did it - thanks again -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.71.03 with POPFile 0.22.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Scheduled backup is failing...
The following destination backup is failing... E:\TheBatBackUp\TheBatBackUp-%DATE-%TIME.tbk Can anyone suggest why? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.71.03 with POPFile 0.22.4 on Windows XP 5.1 tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduled backup is failing...
Hallo Marten, On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:16:13 +0100GMT (30-4-2006, 21:16 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MG The following destination backup is failing... MG E:\TheBatBackUp\TheBatBackUp-%DATE-%TIME.tbk MG Can anyone suggest why? The time includes a colon and that's a big nono in file names. -- Groetjes, Roelof Devoted to the art of cat-bathing as a martial art. The Bat! 3.80.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpJ6E8qLXQW6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Scheduled backup is failing...
Hallo Marten, On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:16:13 +0100GMT (30-4-2006, 21:16 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MG The following destination backup is failing... MG E:\TheBatBackUp\TheBatBackUp-%DATE-%TIME.tbk MG Can anyone suggest why? The time includes a colon and that's a big nono in file names. How do I combine %TIME with the format options like -mm-dd-hh-nn? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.71.03 with POPFile 0.22.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduled backup is failing...
Hallo Marten, On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:39:48 +0100GMT (1-5-2006, 0:39 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MG The following destination backup is failing... MG E:\TheBatBackUp\TheBatBackUp-%DATE-%TIME.tbk MG Can anyone suggest why? The time includes a colon and that's a big nono in file names. MG How do I combine %TIME with the format options like -mm-dd-hh-nn? I just tested this succesfully: D:\Mijn Backups\The Bat!\%Date=-MM-DD-%Time=HH-MM-SS.tbk It gave me: 2006-05-01-00-50-31.tbk -- Groetjes, Roelof Modem. A deterrent to phone solicitors. The Bat! 3.80.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgplsbuqkY85s.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Please support wish to allow Backup to save user settings
Hi Marten, Tuesday, March 14, 2006, 5:24:02 PM, you wrote: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5754# Supported. -- Warmest regards, Paul Created using TheBat! 3.72.01 (Beta) on Windows XP Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Serching in mesgbases (messages.tbb) outside The Bat! and in backup files (TBK)
Hi On Wednesday 1 March 2006 at 1:04:11 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Marek Mikus wrote: ...and TB will search them without loading them on start. Would it be possible to have TB! not load any folder until you actually wish to view that folder? -- Best regards, MFPA Teamwork is essential - it allows you to blame someone else Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Wish: Serching in mesgbases (messages.tbb) outside The Bat! and in backup files (TBK)
Hello, I have added this wish as https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5719, if You are interested, please support. Msgbases grows and if has user thousands of messages in hundreds folders, TB becomes slow and eats much memory when loading msgbases. These messages are mainly archives of mailinglists and are used for searching only, so it is not needed to have them accessible via TB's interface, they can be stored on HDD or CD and TB will search them without loading them on start. BTW if they are stored on CD, user must create folders in TB and assign them to folders on CD to using them for searching. And of course, it will be great to allow searching messages in TBK files created by The Bat!. -- Thanks and Bye, Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.71.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Weekly backup
Hallo Thomas,
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:53:40 -0300GMT (24-1-2006, 6:53 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:
RO Does anybody know how to give them proper alternating names?
RO Something like the date as in MMDD.
TM Put this string in 'To backup file' and modify the path.
TM
C:\yourpath\%SETPATTREGEXP=(\d+).(\d+)\.(\d{4})%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%DATESHORT%Subpatt=3%Subpatt=2%Subpatt=1%SETPATTREGEXP=(\d+)\:(\d+)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%TIME%Subpatt=1%Subpatt=2.TBK
Unfortunately this regexp gives me the creation time as filename
instead of the creation date and as the nature of a schedule is that
it's executed at the same time.
But thanks anyway, since you gave me the idea how easy it really was.
(I'd never thought of using macros in the filename.)
But this does what I want:
D:\backups\thebat\%DATE=MMDD.tbk
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Re: Weekly backup
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:14:37 +0100GMT (24-1-2006, 10:14 +0200, where I live), Roelof Otten wrote: D:\backups\thebat\%DATE=MMDD.tbk Hi Roelof, Where do I have to put that? -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.70.02 Qigong(Beta) Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpexA9EBfrqW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Weekly backup
Hallo Henk, On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:29:48 +0100GMT (24-1-2006, 15:29 +0100, where I live), you wrote: D:\backups\thebat\%DATE=MMDD.tbk HDB Where do I have to put that? It's for my weekly backup. Create a new schedule in the scheduler Add 'backup' as action. And give the string above as location for the backup -- Groetjes, Roelof Dogmatism: Puppyism come to its full growth. The Bat! 3.65.04 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpAzab80UZnz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Weekly backup
Hello Roelof,
on Tuesday, 24. January 2006, at 10:14:37 [GMT +0100] you wrote
regarding Weekly backup:
TM
C:\yourpath\%SETPATTREGEXP=(\d+).(\d+)\.(\d{4})%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%DATESHORT%Subpatt=3%Subpatt=2%Subpatt=1%SETPATTREGEXP=(\d+)\:(\d+)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%TIME%Subpatt=1%Subpatt=2.TBK
Unfortunately this regexp gives me the creation time as filename
instead of the creation date and as the nature of a schedule is that
it's executed at the same time.
Strange it shoud give you a filename which tells you Date and Time.
Like '200512261914.tbk'
Anyway, you way is working. You had a look at the batch File?
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Re: Weekly backup
Hallo Thomas, On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:19:56 -0300GMT (24-1-2006, 16:19 +0100, where I live), you wrote: TM You had a look at the batch File? Yes, but I don't use plug-ins, so backing them up wasn't a real issue for me. And the reason I started this thread was that I wanted to take care of this issue without any third party applications. -- Groetjes, Roelof Facts are stubborn things. The Bat! 3.65.04 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpNOtBW2nYDw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Weekly backup
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:27:49 +0100GMT (24-1-2006, 17:27 +0200, where I live), Roelof Otten wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:29:48 +0100GMT (24-1-2006, 15:29 +0100, where I live), you wrote: D:\backups\thebat\%DATE=MMDD.tbk HDB Where do I have to put that? It's for my weekly backup. Create a new schedule in the scheduler Add 'backup' as action. And give the string above as location for the backup Hoi Roelof, I did a daily automatic backup in the past (scheduler) but at that time the name of the file caused problems, maybe this date name will solve this. Thanks! -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.70.02 Qigong(Beta) Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpREPII4QX9b.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Weekly backup
Hallo TBUDL, Via TB's scheduler I'm creating a new backup every week. However, this backup overwrites the old backup as it has the same name. Does anybody know how to give them proper alternating names? Something like the date as in MMDD. -- Groetjes, Roelof Fatal error : Mac user detected ! IDIOT MODE ON. The Bat! 3.65.04 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpPj91cV12xj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Weekly backup
Dear Roelof, @23-Jan-2006, 11:16 +0100 (23-Jan 10:16 here) Roelof Otten [RO] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: RO Via TB's scheduler I'm creating a new backup every week. RO However, this backup overwrites the old backup as it has the same RO name. RO Does anybody know how to give them proper alternating names? RO Something like the date as in MMDD. Sure. Fire off an action as the next task within the same schedule to launch a batch file to rename the file. Ah, yes. Dates. I have a utility that will let you pipe the current date in any format you like to a text file. A bit of skillful use and you can write a batch file to set and environment variable with the date and append it to a filename for a rename operation. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.65.04 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpfBNYflkfA1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Weekly backup it isn't Christmas anymore!
Dear Roelof, @23-Jan-2006, 11:16 +0100 (23-Jan 10:16 here) Roelof Otten [RO] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: RO Via TB's scheduler I'm creating a new backup every week. RO However, this backup overwrites the old backup as it has the same RO name. RO Does anybody know how to give them proper alternating names? RO Something like the date as in MMDD. Sure. Fire off an action as the next task within the same schedule to launch a batch file to rename the file. Ah, yes. Dates. I have a utility that will let you pipe the current date in any format you like to a text file. A bit of skillful use and you can write a batch file to set and environment variable with the date and append it to a filename for a rename operation. And when someone who knows what this means, has done it, is ther any chance it could be made publicly available or at least let me have a copy? And can someone tell me how to remove 'Christmas Edition' from the version name? Please!! -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition with POPFile 0.22.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Weekly backup it isn't Christmas anymore!
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:46:51 +GMT (23-1-2006, 12:46 +0200, where I live), Marten Gallagher wrote: And can someone tell me how to remove 'Christmas Edition' from the version name? Please!! 3.64.03? -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.65.04 Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpSMO5WMz100.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
