Message-ID header (was Re: Netiquette)

Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > Most people can be bothered to make sure that their zones > are RFC compliant. Most people who can't are spammers. (Note > that I said most). That reminds me of a question I had. Can someone tell me who should be responsible for generating a Message-ID header in ema

OS X updater woes

So owing to a dearth of X.1 CDs I had a friend rip a copy for me, but it doesn't boot. Is there a way with the Mac to force it to boot off CD? What's more annoying is the f*cking retards at Apple have in their infinitesimally small wisdom decided to provide a firmware updater that only runs under

Re: Netiquette

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 'Top quoting' is a mindset I think. When I hit followup with > quoting, Gnus popped up a message window with the cursor placed > nicely at the top of the quoted message, where it was easy for > me to scroll through the quoted material excising the stuff that > wasn't rel

Re: london.pm.org NS & MX go go go!

Paul Makepeace wrote: > $ mx london.pm.org. ns1.access.net > london.pm.org MX 42 london.pm.org > london.pm.org MX 69 mailhost.realprogrammers.com Did you pick those two numbers out of a hat at random? :) (Heh-- if you wanted to be k3wl, you could use those numbers >

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK, London]

On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 12:08:07AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > > I think you can also include the footnote as a tool tip or similiar so > > it appears on a mouseOver. > > You assume too much of the platform :-) Peanutpress deal in books for > the Palm (and, I think, some WinCE crap). Neither

Re: Its Mailstat Time Again

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:17:10AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > Even more interesting is . > > NY.pm > 1:David H. Adler 30 727 1040 (31% noise) > > London.pm > 6:David H. Adler 103 1144 2426 (53% noise) > > So DHA posts more on

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK, London]

Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > their mail clients use "top quoting". Did your friends do usability > studies? I did and asked a non-technical user in the pub about this > and they prefered top posting. 'Top quoting' is a mindset I think. When I hit followup with quoting, Gnus popped u

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK, London]

I really can't believe I'm still reading this bloody thread, anyway, down at the bottom... Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: >> > "Steve" == Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Steve> I think Microsoft have done usability stu

Re: Writing a Perl Game

* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Redvers Davies wrote: > > > > > What sort of game? Maybe an adventure, maybe multiplayer, maybe some > > > sort strategy or trading game. I don't mind, I'd just like to do it. > > > > camElite! > > No - how dare you defile The Game with thoughts that you

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > "Newton, Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Cliff Stoll's book? > > And the cookie recipe is really good too. I've tried it. I'm not sure > if that makes me more or less sad. That reminds me. I should see if any of the recipes in the "Little

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK, London]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 11:41:09AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:59:04PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > > What is not good is that the hyperlink takes you to a page which has all > > the footnotes for the entire chapter on it, so you have to scroll to find > > the right

Re: Writing a Perl Game

Greg McCarroll wrote: > > Would anyone be interested in writing a Perl game (probably strategy > or similar), I learned Object Orientated programming from muds - and > trust me it is a great way to learn it (especially when you understand > methods like environment() which return the object that

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 06:33:12PM +, Redvers Davies wrote: > I spy a parallell between this and refusing mails from mailservers > from some people on the list because he doesn't agree with their > network configuration =) I believe the phrase was "If they want to > mail it to me they'll fix

london.pm.org NS & MX go go go!

Folks, I've just had word back from the fine folks at dns(at)pm.org (aka Ben Hockenhull) that london.pm.org is now in control of its own domain and sports a shiny spare MX on yours truly's mailserver in case penderel/state51/psi.net is uncontactable: $ ns london.pm.org. ns1.access.net # a p

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 05:27:36AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote: > people on the internet aren't like that these days. Most people > happily post using MS Outlook because that's what they get given > at work. Bloody hell, Dave, can't you use an email client that includes In-Reply-To: headers so it dis

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK, London]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:59:04PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > What is not good is that the hyperlink takes you to a page which has all > the footnotes for the entire chapter on it, so you have to scroll to find > the right one. What *should* happen is that the hyperlink should pop up > the fo

Re: Writing a Perl Game

Redvers Davies wrote: > > > What sort of game? Maybe an adventure, maybe multiplayer, maybe some > > sort strategy or trading game. I don't mind, I'd just like to do it. > > camElite! No - how dare you defile The Game with thoughts that you could better it :-) Greg what should his punishment b

Re: Self-test

David H. Adler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out >> > of Meat. - Phillip, Goats, 20sep99 >> "If the Juju had meant us not to eat people >> He wouldn't have made us of meat" >> (from a Flanders & Swann song, 1950s) >Funny. Jo

Re: Self-test

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:04:46PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: > > (from a Flanders & Swann song, 1950s) > Funny. Jon and Phillip never struck me as F&S fans... *shrug* Maybe they picked it up from Diabolo... I can imagine everyone's favorite satanic chicken liking them. Alex -- "Four pints

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

> I understand exactly why you feel this way. You are blinkered in > feeling you are right and everyone should agree with your particular > way of writing emails. > You actually believe that people will change the way they write in > order with your own views. I believe you are mistaken and y

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 05:17:53PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: > > Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > And of course the cuckoos egg. Which is a fun read. > > Cliff Stoll's book? > > Yup, I very much enjoyed reading that, too. > > Silicon Snake-oil really annoyed me, but I c

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: > > "Steve" == Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Steve> No there are degrees of relevance and I would argue there are at least > Steve> two distinct subcases of relevant material. > > Steve> * quoted material is directly relevant and

Re: Writing a Perl Game

> What sort of game? Maybe an adventure, maybe multiplayer, maybe some > sort strategy or trading game. I don't mind, I'd just like to do it. camElite!

Re: Self-test

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 06:04:45PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:53:55PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: > > If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out > > of Meat. - Phillip, Goats, 20sep99 > > "If the Juju had meant us not to eat people >

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

> But I'm sure with the assembled masses there are some recommendations > for books that the rest of us may not of taking the time to exam. Jeez, I get back from an afternoon away and ... Anyway, pretty much everything I liked has been mentioned already but here's some more. Maximum Security -

Re: Dim sum Wednesday

On 17/10/2001 at 11:06 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Me, myself and I am going to be at the New World at 1pm today. Anyone >else who cares to join me will be welcomed with open arms. For future reference, some of us with CFT do not have copious free bandwidth, either, so giving overnight warni

Re: Self-test

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:53:55PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: > If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out > of Meat. - Phillip, Goats, 20sep99 "If the Juju had meant us not to eat people He wouldn't have made us of meat" (from a Flanders & Swann song, 1950s)

Re: Self-test

On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 07:39:36PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, David Cantrell wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 05:21:59PM +0100, Nick Cleaton wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 04:01:58PM +, Greg Cope wrote: > > > > There was only one game, Elite. > > > Llamatron

Re: Self-test

On 17 Oct 2001, Steve Mynott wrote: > >does anyone also remember 380Zs? > Big black buggers, with 64K of RAM running CP/M ? Yeah. Made me a CP/M convert the year after the XT came out :) /J\

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

> "Steve" == Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> No there are degrees of relevance and I would argue there are at least Steve> two distinct subcases of relevant material. Steve> * quoted material is directly relevant and required to make sense of Steve> the new text - use botto

Re: Self-test

On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 02:57:53PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > You can never have too many obsolete puters! Damn straight! dha, has a Digital MV2000 mini sitting around here somewhere... -- David H. Adler - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ A London.pm thread topic is like a

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:38:33PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And the cookie recipe is really good too. I've tried it. I'm not sure > if that makes me more or less sad. That reminds me. The model theory section of HLiCS1 ends with a recipe for Tuscan chestnut sweeties. It sounds delicious.

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: > > "Steve" == Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Steve> I think Microsoft have done usability studies on this which is why > Steve> their mail clients use "top quoting". Did your friends do usability > Steve> studies? I did and aske

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

"Newton, Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Greg McCarroll wrote: >> And of course the cuckoos egg. Which is a fun read. > > Cliff Stoll's book? > > Yup, I very much enjoyed reading that, too. And the cookie recipe is really good too. I've tried it. I'm not sure if that makes me more or les

Re: Netiquette

Mark Fowler wrote: > 6) Any signature over 4 lines long And make sure it recognises signatures even if they're not preceded by dash-dash-space; '--', '---', '--', and nothing are also widely popular. > 10) Numbered lists that don't have the right value (again, > fixx

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK, London]

On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Alex Page wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:16:22PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > I have heard Mr Pratchet's name cited as the guilty party for the > > increased use of footnotes, especially as comic asides. > I'd claim that Mr Pratchett, as with so many other things, sto

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

Greg McCarroll wrote: > And of course the cuckoos egg. Which is a fun read. Cliff Stoll's book? Yup, I very much enjoyed reading that, too. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the pre

Fw: Taliban TV

I don't normally forward things around, but the program showing at 1:30am swayed me. /me goes back to lurking in the shadows. Begin forwarded message TALIBAN T.V. SCHEDULE 6.00 G-Had TV. Morning prayers. 8.30 Talitubbies. Talitubbies say "Ah-ah". Dipsy and Tinky-Winky repair a Stin

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > "Hackers" (Levy) Great book, perhaps the best book on computer history you can read, I cannot recommend this book enough. I think there was a C4 series loosely based on it, they got Capt Crunch to do some phreaking, or at least appear to do some. He

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK,London]

Mark Fowler wrote: > Sue wrote: > > Mark Fowler wrote: > > > > > A pint (or five) to the first person that writes a Mail::Audit script / > > > PINE[2] display filter that can detect jeopardy quoting and... > > > > I find the widespread practice of cutesy footnoting to be far more > > irritating th

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK, London]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:16:22PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > I have heard Mr Pratchet's name cited as the guilty party for the > increased use of footnotes, especially as comic asides. I'd claim that Mr Pratchett, as with so many other things, stole that one from Mr Adams... Alex -- "Four

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

* nik butler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Any one remember the Spirit for Algorithmics ? Do you mean "Algorithmics, The Spirit of Computing" by David Harel. It is book #1 starting from the top left hand side of my computing book collection. Thats because the section Algorithms/General Programming

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK,London]

Sue wrote: > Mark Fowler wrote: > > > A pint (or five) to the first person that writes a Mail::Audit script / > > PINE[2] display filter that can detect jeopardy quoting and... > > I find the widespread practice of cutesy footnoting to be far more > irritating than any of the other complaints whi

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK, London]

* Roger Horne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > The TeXbook, p 117: > "Authors who are interested in good exposition should avoid footnotes > whenever possible, since footnotes tend to be distracting[*]. > For what its worth, I have heard Mr Pratchet's name cited as the guilty party for the i

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

> "Steve" == Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> I think Microsoft have done usability studies on this which is why Steve> their mail clients use "top quoting". Did your friends do usability Steve> studies? I did and asked a non-technical user in the pub about this Steve> and th

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK, London]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:46:21PM +0100, Roger Horne wrote: > The TeXbook, p 117: > "Authors who are interested in good exposition should avoid footnotes > whenever possible, since footnotes tend to be distracting[*]. > > [*] Yet Gibbon's Decline and Fall would not have been the same > w

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK, London]

On Thu 18 Oct, Alex Gough wrote: > > Footnotes [1] are used by writers [2] to add further detail to their > prose [3] or to point to a source of reference [4]. The TeXbook, p 117: "Authors who are interested in good exposition should avoid footnotes whenever possible, since footnotes tend t

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

Any one remember the Spirit for Algorithmics ?

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What are the classic (non-perl) computers books? There are several > that come to mind, The Art of Computer Programming (1->3), the Dragon > book (thanks leon!, K&R, Computer Graphics (Foley et al). But what are > the books that you guys really love?

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: >> "pdcawley" == pdcawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > pdcawley> I have to disagree. Programming Perl (1st Ed) - Larry and > pdcawley> Randall was a much more enjoyable read. > > And if you miss that style, you should pick up Learning Perl

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:24:11AM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > And if you miss that style, you should pick up Learning Perl (3rd). Review's on the way - I've got about half the book read and annotated, will do the rest when I have any FT whatsoever. Alex -- "Four pints of milk, a turkey

RE: Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

From: David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/18/01 2:56:33 PM >On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:35:32PM +0100, Sue Spence wrote: >> Most (maybe all) of you have probably never used >> anything as antiquated as a non-relational/non-OO >> database. > > Does dbm count? Does the term "CODASYL" mea

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

> "pdcawley" == pdcawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: pdcawley> I have to disagree. Programming Perl (1st Ed) - Larry and Randall was pdcawley> a much more enjoyable read. And if you miss that style, you should pick up Learning Perl (3rd). :-) Even if you know Perl. You might pick up a fa

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 11:20:17AM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > > Niklas Nordebo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:33:02AM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > > > > FLAME ON > > > paraphrased: "You're not going to get everyone

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

David Cantrell wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:35:32PM +0100, Sue Spence wrote: > > Most (maybe all) of you have probably never used anything as > > antiquated as a non-relational/non-OO database. > > Does dbm count? > Sure, and we can add everyone who ever stores anything in some sort o

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How could I forget Edward Tufte's beautiful, beautiful book > _The visual display of quantitative information_. You need them all. Honest. I am not joking. Beautiful, beautiful books in so *many* ways. I could go on. And on. And on.

Re: Writing a Perl Game

On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > What sort of game? Maybe an adventure, maybe multiplayer, maybe some > sort strategy or trading game. I don't mind, I'd just like to do it. > How about one based around buffy? Can be multiplayer, loads of charaters to choose from. Just a thought.. I

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:35:32PM +0100, Sue Spence wrote: > Most (maybe all) of you have probably never used anything as > antiquated as a non-relational/non-OO database. Does dbm count? -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Cutting the space budget really

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

"Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Add to that list: > > The UNIX Programming Environment - Kernigan & Pike > The Practice of Programming - Kernigan & Pike > Programming Perls - Jon Bentley > Design Patterns - Erich Gamma, etc > An Introduction to Database Systems - Chris Date The "Unix

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK, London]

On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Sue Spence wrote: > Mark Fowler wrote: > > On 18 Oct 2001, Steve Mynott wrote: > > > [ a mail rant] > > [ more mail ranting ] > > I find the widespread practice of cutesy footnoting to be far more > irritating than any of the other complaints which have come through my > inbo

Breaking News: YAPC::Europe

I've just heard an unsubstantiated rumour that next year's YAPC::Europe will be in Munich. In 2003 it'll probably be in Paris. Start working on your talks folks :) Dave... -- "Let me see you make decisions, without your television" - Depeche Mode (Stripped)

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

Greg McCarroll wrote: > > * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > An Introduction to Database Systems - Chris Date > > I haven't heard of this one, my "classic" general DB books are > Fundamentals of Database Systems and Introduction to SQL (van der > Lans) C.J. Date was one of the orig

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How could I forget Edward Tufte's beautiful, beautiful book > _The visual display of quantitative information_. The other two ("Envisioning Information", "Visual Explanations") are equally fantastic. All 3 are a necessar

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

From: Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/18/01 2:19:59 PM > I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Mythical Man > Month, which despite its age is still delightfully sane > and readable. Oops. I didn't mention it, because it completely slipped my mind. Another couple of oldies that I'v

RE: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

--On Thursday 18 October 2001 05:49 -0700 Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 10/18/01 1:38:35 PM > >> What are the classic (non-perl) computers books? There >> are several that come to mind [...] >> [...] K&R, >> [snip] > > Add to that lis

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/18/01 2:10:48 PM >* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> >> An Introduction to Database Systems - Chris Date > > I haven't heard of this one, my "classic" general DB > books are Fundamentals of Database Systems and > Introduction to SQL (v

RE: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

What are the classic (non-perl) computers books? There are several that come to mind, The Art of Computer Programming (1->3), the Dragon book (thanks leon!, K&R, Computer Graphics (Foley et al). But what are the books that you guys really love? I really miss my cop

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

How could I forget Edward Tufte's beautiful, beautiful book _The visual display of quantitative information_. I've never, of course, been called upon to display quantitative information in a visual form - but oh, what a book! http://www.edwardtufte.com/1576494545/tufte/books_vdqi .robin.

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Mythical Man Month, which despite its age is still delightfully sane and readable. One of my favourites is _Inner Loops_ by Rick Booth (http://cseng.aw.com/book/0,,0201479605,00.html), for its sheer enthusiasm. A book-length hymn to the joys of performance c

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:45:36PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > Schneier: > Applied Cryptography This is a good introduction, but has many mistakes. From the little I've seen of the "Handbook of Applied Cryptography" (can't remember the authors and too lazy to search) this looks a lot better,

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:10:48PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > And the other book suggested so far that I haven't got is the UI book > that Dave Cantrell suggested. It's worth reading Donald Norman's "The Psychology of Everyday Things" as well, although I wouldn't say it's a classic. -- Dav

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > An Introduction to Database Systems - Chris Date I haven't heard of this one, my "classic" general DB books are Fundamentals of Database Systems and Introduction to SQL (van der Lans) > Refactoring - Martin Fowler Oh, another I haven't head of, whats

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:38:35PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: >> book (thanks leon!, K&R, Computer Graphics (Foley et al). But what are >> the books that you guys really love? > > [...] > > And obviously: > Programming Perl (3rd Ed) - Wall, Chr

Re: Writing a Perl Game

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:42:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > I'd like to write a game and I'd rather do it as a group project with > some friends, to simply make it a bit more fun. It's been dead in the water for nearly a year due to lack of CFT, but http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/slutsmu

RE: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/18/01 1:38:35 PM > What are the classic (non-perl) computers books? There > are several that come to mind, The Art of Computer > Programming (1->3), the Dragon book (thanks leon!, K&R, > Computer Graphics (Foley et al). But what are the books

Re: Procmail / Filters

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:39:13PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: > Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > > you are very likely to want to look at: > > http://simon-cozens.org/writings/mail-audit.html > or Mail::Procmail, if the 'procmail' recipe syntax is more your thing. I like to use real procmail, and

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What are the classic (non-perl) computers books? There are several > that come to mind, The Art of Computer Programming (1->3), the Dragon > book (thanks leon!, K&R, Computer Graphics (Foley et al). But what are > the books that you guys really love?

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Practice of Programming - Kernighan and Pike Now I regard Code Complete as a better book, but ho hum. > Commentary on the Unix 6th edition, with source code - John Lions. My only complaint is that it doesnt fit on my bookshelves (its printed,

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:38:35PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > What are the classic (non-perl) computers books? There are several > that come to mind, The Art of Computer Programming (1->3), the Dragon > book (thanks leon!, K&R, Computer Graphics (Foley et al). But what are > the books that you

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What are the classic (non-perl) computers books? There are several > that come to mind, The Art of Computer Programming (1->3), the Dragon > book (thanks leon!, K&R, Computer Graphics (Foley et al). But what are > the books that you guys really love? >

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > You are of course, absolutely correct. When small annoyances build up > over time (like the quoting thing, which bugs me a bit, and other > people probably more), it's very easy to forget that we have more in > common than apart and that we are al

Re: Procmail / Filters

Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:05:33PM +, Rob Thompson wrote: > > Has there been a discussion about Procmail and/or mail filters ... > > you are very likely to want to look at: > http://simon-cozens.org/writings/mail-audit.html > and CPAN Mail::Audit. or Mail::Proc

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

"Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The london.pm mailing list is meant to be inclusive. Everyone > is welcome here. This means that we _do_ _not_ flame people simply > because they fail to use our favourite mail client or don't post > strictly in line with the usual guidelines. You are of

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:38:35PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > book (thanks leon!, K&R, Computer Graphics (Foley et al). But what are > the books that you guys really love? Practice of Programming - Kernighan and Pike Commentary on the Unix 6th edition, with source code - John Lions. An Introd

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Niklas Nordebo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > paraphrased: "You're not going to get everyone to abide by those rules so > > I'm going to jeopardy quote now just to irritate you" > > That wasn't actually the intention. I will top quote when I think it >

Writing a Perl Game

Would anyone be interested in writing a Perl game (probably strategy or similar), I learned Object Orientated programming from muds - and trust me it is a great way to learn it (especially when you understand methods like environment() which return the object that is containing the object its cal

Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

What are the classic (non-perl) computers books? There are several that come to mind, The Art of Computer Programming (1->3), the Dragon book (thanks leon!, K&R, Computer Graphics (Foley et al). But what are the books that you guys really love? One of my favourite books of all time is actually f

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

From: Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/18/01 12:36:55 PM [rant snipped] I've said this before and I'll (no doubt) have to say it again in the future. The london.pm mailing list is meant to be inclusive. Everyone is welcome here. This means that we _do_ _not_ flame people simpl

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite),UK, London]

Mark Fowler wrote: > > On 18 Oct 2001, Steve Mynott wrote: > > > [about how we can never solve jeopardy quoting as it's a social > > problem] [1] > > A pint (or five) to the first person that writes a Mail::Audit script / > PINE[2] display filter that can detect jeopardy quoting and delete all

Re: Procmail / Filters

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:05:33PM +, Rob Thompson wrote: > I may have imagined it... or it may have been on another list > Has there been a discussion about Procmail and/or mail filters ... > specifically getting a perl script to behave as a procmail filter? If so, > when did this take

Procmail / Filters

I may have imagined it... or it may have been on another list Has there been a discussion about Procmail and/or mail filters ... specifically getting a perl script to behave as a procmail filter? If so, when did this take place as I can't find it in the archives (of course it may - if it h

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 11:20:17AM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > Niklas Nordebo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:33:02AM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > > > > > > FLAME ON > > > > paraphrased: "You're not going to get everyone to abide by those rules so > > I'm going to

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 11:20:17AM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > Niklas Nordebo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:33:02AM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > > > FLAME ON > > paraphrased: "You're not going to get everyone to abide by those rules so > > I'm going to jeopardy quote

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 11:20:17AM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > A drawback of bottom quoting is that you have to scroll past the quote > in order to get the new material. I read a _lot_ of email and such > scrolling wastes valuable time and key strokes. Then trim your quotes more :-) And scroll

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

Niklas Nordebo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:33:02AM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > > > > FLAME ON > > paraphrased: "You're not going to get everyone to abide by those rules so > I'm going to jeopardy quote now just to irritate you" That wasn't actually the intention.

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

* at 18/10 12:41 +0200 Niklas Nordebo said: > > they think people who object are just stupid and old-fashioned and don't > understand that they're above all that since they're Nathans and use > fucking Microsoft Outlook and not some kind of stoneage text mail client > for hippy programmers. ah ye

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On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:33:02AM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > > FLAME ON paraphrased: "You're not going to get everyone to abide by those rules so I'm going to jeopardy quote now just to irritate you" I dunno, it has worked on some mailing lists I'm on. Of course, we do kick people out if th

Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

On 18 Oct 2001, Steve Mynott wrote: > [about how we can never solve jeopardy quoting as it's a social > problem] [1] A pint (or five) to the first person that writes a Mail::Audit script / PINE[2] display filter that can detect jeopardy quoting and delete all but the first n lines and move it ab

Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]

FLAME ON You are quite right and at the same thing quite wrong. We all have ideas about how people should post but our chances of imposing them on others is quite impossible. This fallacy is particularly popular amongst programmer who are used to computers (which do what they say) rather than

Re: Self-test

> (As an aside has anyone actually done this is real life? Does it work?) Yes and yes. I have DPA'd the police.

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