Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-23 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 11/23/2004 4:46:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Midrash, I think, merely sated that Cain had no previous event upon which to base the severity of his action... and this may very well be true. However, in trying to read the best out of t

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-23 Thread Slade Henson
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 22 November, 2004 23.44To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants Thanks for responding.  I read several commentators views and only one thought it was actually a physical mark.  The artic

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 11/22/2004 8:38:36 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've always wondered what the mark was as well. I've heard some people erroneously say it is dark skin. Others a lightning bolt like Harry Potter (or some other insignia).   The term for mark

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Slade Henson
Hello, Laura   I've always wondered what the mark was as well. I've heard some people erroneously say it is dark skin. Others a lightning bolt like Harry Potter (or some other insignia).   The term for mark [in Hebrew] is Ot. In the KJV, it's used as such: sign (x60), token (x14), ensign (x2

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread David Miller
John S. wrote: I don't worry at all about libel, David. You don't worry that you might have written a false witness against your brother in Christ? [] Please consider thanking me for the correction. A wise man loves the one who rebukes him. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let y

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/22/2004 2:56:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripture speaks often about the nations coming to Israel. The mixed multitude that came out of Egypt and the foreigner or stranger who dwells among Israel were all to be considered as though native born. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Terry Clifton
Slade Henson wrote: Scripture speaks often about the nations coming to Israel. The mixed multitude that came out of Egypt and the foreigner or stranger who dwells among Israel were all to be considered as though native born. I do not think it would be fair to say God ignored the nation

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Lance Muir
Amen Sladerino! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 22, 2004 05:55 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants Scripture speaks often about the nations coming to Israel. The mixed multitude that came out of Egypt and

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Slade Henson
to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Sunday, 21 November, 2004 22.13To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants No concern for hidden agendas.  I just don't know what to say that would not be speculation.  Since Adam was the first

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Slade Henson
Scripture speaks often about the nations coming to Israel. The mixed multitude that came out of Egypt and the foreigner or stranger who dwells among Israel were all to be considered as though native born. I do not think it would be fair to say God ignored the nations by giving Israel a specia

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Et al : Beginning with post Eden civilization,  there existed standards of conduct that God expected of man (other than those related to Jewish history) .   Cain

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:49:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John S. wrote: >Do we claim that the  nations of Old Scripture times except >the Jews had no relationship with God, deserted by their creator >or, at best, ignored? No, we should not claim any such thing.  R

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:45:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John S. wrote: >... but Ruben and pals are no so gracious Careful about libel, John.  I respond to this because Ruben has been a past participant on this list.  I have never heard of Ruben ever punching an

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
John S. wrote: Do we claim that the nations of Old Scripture times except the Jews had no relationship with God, deserted by their creator or, at best, ignored? No, we should not claim any such thing. Read Daniel and Isaiah. Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus were Gentiles, and Cyrus was even called God's

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Et al : Beginning with post Eden civilization,  there existed standards of conduct that God expected of man (other than those related to Jewish history) .   Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
John S. wrote: ... but Ruben and pals are no so gracious Careful about libel, John. I respond to this because Ruben has been a past participant on this list. I have never heard of Ruben ever punching anyone. He was the victim once, but not the assailant. In that case, he turned the other chee

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:59:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 11/21/2004 8:50:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in the biblical message except to indicate that they were present in

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:58:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can vouch for that.  We had the privilege of spending a short time with David and  Caroline and not one punch was thrown by anyone.   He is a sweet spirited, mild mannered, generous man  who loves the Lord.

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 7:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:53:33 PM Pacific Standard Time

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:56:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John S. wrote: >Why don't you ask him why he terminated the >discussion I don't ask him why because that would change the subject.  I'm still here awaiting his reply.  If he leaves the discussion, the reas

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Et al : Beginning with post Eden civilization,  there existed standards of conduct that God expected of man (other than those related to Jewish history) .   Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in the biblical message except to indicate that they were prese

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 11/21/2004 8:50:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in the biblical message except to indicate that they were present in his time.    A mark or sign was given to Cain to protect him I think it would b

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:53:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, Slade.  Considering that you are only a few hours from here, would you be interested in getting together to talk face to face about these passages?  I could bri

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
John S. wrote: Why don't you ask him why he terminated the discussion I don't ask him why because that would change the subject. I'm still here awaiting his reply. If he leaves the discussion, the reason is clear. He does not have an answer. I have hope that Jeff will return. Slade and I ar

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: While you look hard for a situation where we are dead to the [whole] law, I have no such agenda. In fact, my agenda is opposite. (Yes. I have a bias to keep from nullifying Torah because Yeshua said that's what He was all about.) I clearly have no agenda to look hard for a situation wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
Et al : Beginning with post Eden civilization,  there existed standards of conduct that God expected of man (other than those related to Jewish history) .   Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in the biblical message except to indicate that they were present in his time.    A mark or si

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants In a message dated 11/20/2004 6:38:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course you know that I have >read not only the context, but the entire Bible. What is this supposed to mean to the rest of us who have equal familiarity with the biblical mess

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:36:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John S. wrote: >Once again, you have failed to continue a descussion, >preferring, instead, to assert your view of your self as >a backdrop for further and continued monologue. No, he decided to stop discuss

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:53:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, Slade.  Considering that you are only a few hours from here, would you be interested in getting together to talk face to face about these passages?  I could bring a few brothers in Christ and y

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Slade Henson
DAVE In the second paragraph above, you say "Torah concerning the husband, who is sin and death." I have problems with what you are trying to do here. In the previous sentence where Paul says, "she is free from the law" and you define law here as "Torah concerning the husband," does this Torah

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law [Torah]), that the law [Torah] has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law [Torah] to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from th

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: Of course you know that I have read not only the context, but the entire Bible. John S. wrote: What is this supposed to mean to the rest of us who have equal familiarity with the biblical message? It means that you don't need all the cut and paste verbiage about context either.

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Jeff Powers
John, you do realize that this quote is from David Miller, right? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 12:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants In a message dated 11/20/2004 6:38:16 PM

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/20/2004 6:38:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course you know that I have >read not only the context, but the entire Bible. What is this supposed to mean to the rest of us who have equal familiarity with the biblical message?   And what does this ha

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-21 Thread Susan Petersen
I have already pulled on my hair several times while on this forum. But, I stop myself from responding at times. I go on and read other messages and go back to the message that disturbed me so much. I reread it. Then I reread it again. This way I can know that I am hearing the person the way they w

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Slade Henson
Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law [Torah]), that the law [Torah] has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law [Torah] to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
Jeff wrote: ... as I said before, it allows one to make any passage of Scripture say what ever is in that persons personal agenda. David Miller wrote: You are doing the very thing you warn against. ... Jeff wrote: In this instance, NO. I pulled verses from throughout the letter to the Romans, showi

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
Isn’t that what we’re supposed to do on TT? Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?   This has been the most retarded set of

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
f Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 20 November, 2004 19.43To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? who is it?   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:24:12 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You are arguing with some

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
Jeff in red: - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 20:02 Subject: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants > Jeff wrote:>> You must include Romans 7:7-8:3 at the very least.>> And the whole book to grasp the context of

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaha   --slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 20 November, 2004 19.43To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
who is it?   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:24:12 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You are arguing with someone who's been arguing the point you're arguing.

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
mber, 2004 16.19To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? myth (re: the Prophets, JC, the Ap Paul and the KoG, a definition emerges--not definitions)   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:50:38 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  ..the p

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
myth (re: the Prophets, JC, the Ap Paul and the KoG, a definition emerges--not definitions)   On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:50:38 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  ..the power of opinion supercedes Biblical definitions .   -- slade ||

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
27;s the beauty of opinion!   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 22.56To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenant

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
de -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 22.56To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? myth (it is not possible givn the NT nature of God&#x

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
Perhaps in your definition of Kingdom... but that's the beauty of opinion!   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 22.56To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Trut

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 11:41:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that a lot of churches have this symptom. But I would like to think that this group could hold to a higher standard. Suzy I agree but what we can do and what we will do may be two very different t

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
That should read:  J The Elder :0 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 23:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? In a message dated 11/19/2004 11:00:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
sy...he'll even spank his wife..   Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 23.17To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Kay, don’

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
Hasn't she done that several times? - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 17:27 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Please ignore my wife. She could incite nuns to rebel.  

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
spank his wife..   Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 23.17To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Kay, don’t feel bad.  My husband occasionally gets t

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?       From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 12.05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? I think it's pretty deep in the roomsomebody take the dogs out for a walk   TOO FUNNY..I'm rolling on the floor AG

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 8:03:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (it is not possible givn the NT nature of God's reign)   On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:02:07 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:56:00 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAI

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 11:00:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   Hi Izzy,   Hope this helps:   Wikipedia defines the TOE as: A theory of everything (TOE) is a theory of th

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ttxpress
myth (it is not possible givn the NT nature of God's reign)   On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:02:07 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ||     On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:56:00 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: We need to be building THE king

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Jonathan Hughes
, November 19, 2004 10:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?       From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?   Hi

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 9:12:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it's pretty deep in the roomsomebody take the dogs out for a walk   TOO FUNNY..I'm rolling on the floor AGAIN!!   Kay :-) J

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 8:30:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: No, so far as I'm concerned it's not enough.  People incorporate the scriptures into all kinds of things and take parts of God's Word out and make it fit their theology or doctrine.  We need scripture to

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?   Hi Izzy,   Hope this helps:   Wikipedia defines the TOE as: A theory of everything

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Bill Taylor
7:31 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? jt: Hi Bill Taylor, it's good to see you are still around ...   Lance writes: Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'?   jt: Judy asks:  What is the "theory of ever

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Slade Henson
-- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 15.10To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? I would appreciate responses on this from bill, slade & john. This is one

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Slade Henson
Behalf Of Slade HensonSent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 12.05To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? I think it's pretty deep in the roomsomebody take the dogs out for a walk   TOO FUNNY..I'm rolling on the floor AGAIN!!   Kay

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Susan Petersen
I am not against righteous anger. I am talking about the useless arguing that has been going back and forth. It does not further us toward our cause of getting closer to God. I am not talking about the defense of what people believe. Go for it defend your faith. Call a person a liar if they are a l

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread David Miller
Suzy wrote: I assumed that people on this forum wanted to put the bickering spirit aside and cling to the spirit of truth. Yes, Suzy! You have described what this list is all about. Unfortunately, we have many who have not yet caught this vision. I am really glad to see that you have. God ble

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Slade Henson
Truth in love... and I know you have both.  -- slade  ===After careful thought, there is no question that I could have chozen a better term to describe Lance;s comment than to call it dog doo doo.  >From now on, when I read a lie on this list, 

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-19 Thread Slade Henson
Don't forget what your sins are like. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 11.58To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants 1 Kings 1410   Therefore, b

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-19 Thread David Miller
Thank you Suzy for taking time to consider Romans 7. Suzy wrote: There are two different laws talked about in Chapter 7. One is the law of sin and the other is the Torah. Good. I'm with you here. There is the law of God and then there is the law of sin residing within our members (our body). Su

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread David Miller
Jeff wrote: Much like the constitution of the USA, God's covenant has been amended several times. Do we in the USA have a new constitution today that has replace the original? Our Constitution was a new Constitution. We ditched England's, taking only those parts we liked. Nevertheless, yes, I s

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: November 19, 2004 15:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? > Maybe I should have used the word hope instead. And a > lot of my thinking came from an assumption made from > the title of this

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Susan Petersen
wrote: > Serious question: Why? I ask as I wouldn't think > that. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: November 19, 2004 14:40 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenant

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
er :)   Jonathan Hughes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The T

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
Serious question: Why? I ask as I wouldn't think that. - Original Message - From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: November 19, 2004 14:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? > I know that a lot of churches have this

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
ak is over :)   Jonathan Hughes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'T

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Susan Petersen
- > From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: November 19, 2004 11:50 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? > > > > When I signed up for Truth talk I was under the > > impression that we would be talking abo

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Susan Petersen wrote: I am saddened by this. Instead of focussing on God's Word, there is arguing and tearing down. If we truly are the body of Christ, we need to start acting like it. Please stop the finger pointing. "You did this." "No, I didn't." or "You meant this." "No, I didn't." Let's focus

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Hughes Jonathan
t: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'?Answer:The Incarnation  It is well and wise to think of  internal relations. Do not stop with the extern

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-19 Thread Jeff Powers
1Kings 14, is that like,"You're pissing on my back and telling me it's raining"? Words of wit from Jeff, the decrepit juvinal delinquit! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:58 Sub

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Slade Henson
mber, 2004 10.48To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?In a message dated 11/19/2004 4:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After careful thought, there is no question that I could have chozen a better term to describe Lance;s comment than to c

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
Well said! By the by there's none of this in what church? - Original Message - From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: November 19, 2004 11:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? > When I signed up for Truth talk I w

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Jeff Powers
Well, King James calls it DUNG Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? In a message dated 11/19/2004 4:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
.) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants   Seems to me like God used similar terminology in the Bible, didn’t He? Izzy   I'd

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
I think that's what the Jman just said. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 11:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?       John writes: I cna think of a numb

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
A good word, Suzy. Okay! :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Petersen Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? When I signed up for Truth talk I was under the

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Susan Petersen
27;s' forthcoming epistle. > Beep Beep again > - Original Message - > From: Judy Taylor > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: November 19, 2004 09:42 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? > > > jt: Thanks for the inte

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'? Answer:The Incarnation   It is well and wise to think of  internal relations. Do not stop with the external. Indwel the Scriptures.   Example of 'internal' thinking:Slade's post this morning. I cna think of a n

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
      John writes: I cna think of a number of scriptures that support the above  --   soo, why is it imcumbant upon Lance to quote them.  Is it not enough that he incorporates the scriptures as he understands them into his writings?      jt: No, so far as I'm concerned it's not enough

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 6:24:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As to 'interpretation':You are correct on the former and incorrect on the latter. Ladies both:Your lives carry the day while your 'posts' SOMETIMES do not. But, so could it be said of us all.(as to the 'po

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 4:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After careful thought, there is no question that I could have chozen a better term to describe Lance;s comment than to call it dog doo doo.  >From now on, when I read a lie on this list,  I will simply call i

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 3:54:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'? Answer:The Incarnation   It is well and wise to think of  internal relations. Do not stop with the external. Indwel the Scriptures

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 2:58:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My wife called me yesterday on my way to school and to

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
ROFL!!!   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?   I believe that naught will come from further pursuance of this 'thread'.

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
8:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?   As to 'interpretation':You are correct on the former and incorrect on the latter.   Ladies both:Your lives carry the day while your 'posts' SOMETIMES do not. But, so could it be said of us a

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
r To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 09:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? jt: Thanks for the interpretation Izzy. I used to post more scripture but stopped because there was never any response and it was a lot of work finding chapter

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 09:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Judy, I think this is a good example of how we often misunderstand Lance simply because he talks much like “C3PO” on Star Wars.  I thin

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Hi Bill Taylor, it's good to see you are still around ...   Lance writes: Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'?   jt: Judy asks:  What is the "theory of everything and why is it important?"   Answer:The Incarnation   jt: Oh Good, you answered your o

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 09:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Judy, I think this is a good example of how we often misunderstand Lance simply because he talks much like “C3PO” on Star Wars.  I think he was not saying that you h

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Judy, I think this is a good example of how we often misunderstand Lance simply because he talks much like “C3PO” on Star Wars.  I think he was not saying that you have not “arrived”.  I think he was saying that you should cite more scriptures in support of what you said.  (Now THAT’s inter

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Seems to me like God used similar terminology in the Bible, didn’t He? Izzy   I'd much rather deal with someone like Terry even if he does use interesting terminology at times.  Our 2yr old grandson is here today so I am hearing 'poo poo' a lot  - Terry's version is 

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