Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate Cancer
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Yifu wrote: > Faloon's response: "The chilling effect on the ability of consumers to > discover lifesaving medical information is a wake-up call for all who > recognzie the ramifications of this latest act of FDA malfeasance". > > Ah, yes. Bill Faloon, who's never announced that he's stopped taking anything. Is he still taking ALT-721 to prevent HIV? Probably not, since the Israeli company went out of business a long time ago. Bill Faloon says he's a champion of the common folk. Actually, he's a whore of Big Pharama, which coincidentally makes LEF products.I do admit that I take LEF products, but I buy them from Amazon with their new subscription program. I pay Amazon the same or less as if I paid an annual "membership" fee to LEF and Amazon offers free shipping. Now getting LEF to stop sending out their 7 pounds of shit every month, well, that's a problem.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate Cancer
Thx! Nor have I sent any e-mails to anybody and hope they don't send me any. I appreciate anybody's viewpoint and especially personal experiences on any related subjects. ... "FDA Says Walnuts are Illigal Drugs" - LEF Aug 2011, page 7. "FDA Allows Potato Chips to Be Advertised as "Heart Healthy"", page 9. Excerpt from the FDA letter, page 8: [wrt a co. making health claims for walnuts] "Based on claims made on your firm's website, we have determined that your walnut products are promoted for conditions that cause them to be drugs because these products are intended for use in the prevention, mitigation, and treatment of disease". "...therefore, under section 505 (a) of the act [21 U.S.C. Article 355(a)], they may not be legally marketed with the above claims in the United States without an approved new drug application". Faloon's response: "The chilling effect on the ability of consumers to discover lifesaving medical information is a wake-up call for all who recognzie the ramifications of this latest act of FDA malfeasance". --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > My understanding is that nowadays a standard blood panel can detect > cancer in the body through certain protein markers. A standard blood > panel has not changed much in price over the years due to technology > reducing the cost. Some day you may be able to buy a small gadget, just > like the glucose meters available today, take a pin prick of blood and > track your blood chemistry. That is if doctors will allow it. > > One company used to offer blood panel tests at locations around the > country including shopping malls. Those panels only cost around $60. > But doctors complained that they wanted them available only through them > so they could tack on their own fee so the company stopped making them > available. This is a crime. It doesn't take a medical degree to read a > blood panel as anything unusual is indicated on a printout. > > Another thing I found funny was a regional drug chain locking up all the > testing kits in a glass cabinet. You would have to find someone from > pharmacy if you wanted to just read what a test offered. I asked once > why they did this and the person had no idea and agreed it was a little > silly. My thought was the chain was probably owned by doctors who > didn't like self tests. Today the chain is owned by CVS who makes those > test available on the shelf and not locked up. One inexpensive test and > useful test for colon cancer are the kits for that which usually run > around $10. > > Disclaimer: though I advocate metabolic typing to fill out ones > understanding of alternative medicine I've never sent Tom any > information on it offline so that has to be someone else. > > On 10/10/2011 09:07 AM, Tom Pall wrote: > > Since someone brought up the issue of colon cancer screening, I guess it's > > safe to talk about another worry, prostate cancer. > > > > I am definitely for early PSA screening. The proponents are against it > > because cancer is such a mess and though 18 y/o males when autopsied for > > other reasons show the early stages of prostate cancer, most men will > > succumb to other causes before prostate cancer gets them. Indeed, being > > biopsied for prostate cancer after getting a high PSA reading can > > conceivably spread the cancer which was best left alone. > > > > There appears to be a way to keep prostate cancer at bay if not kill it off > > completely. Having tried all sorts of natural remedies like 100 grams of > > Vitamin C infusions 3 times a week and even taking a very dangerous compound > > banned in the US, I'm happy to say that perhaps there is support of Nature > > and maybe jyotish and yagyas work. It was on the day of the lunar eclipse a > > few months ago during a slew of yagyas I was sponsoring that I got a phone > > call quite out of the blue from someone who claimed they knew me from a > > prostate cancer forum I participated in a few years ago. He knew I had an > > adventurous bent and was an independent thinker and tinkerer so he told me > > of the six supplement prostate cancer "cure". Well, I ordered up the > > supplements and low and behold. PSA's dropping like a rock. Pain, > > discomfort are almost gone, need to get up in the middle of the night mostly > > gone, flow rate increasingly daily. > > > > I was hesitant to mention the six supplement "cure" because we have an idiot > > on this forum who believes he's God's Gift to Ayurveda, as he's "certified" > > in "metabolic profiling". This idiot sent me a list of things to take for > > prostate cancer and regrettably one or two on the list make up the SSC. I > > cringe whenever he posts about this tar from the Andes or some other wonder > > snake oil. He's a menace and one of the very good arguments for the FDA > > exercising much stricter control over the many $Billions supplements scam. > > > > I don't know why the SSC works exce
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate Cancer
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall wrote: > > > > > > I bought 100 Kgs at a time of IP6 and was taking it with Inositol, > > which I also bought in 100 Kg lots. Was up to 500 grams a day. > > I lost weight because I was so full, I didn't have much of an > > appetite. Did nothing. > > Are you aware of the IP6 having had any effect on your serum ferritin > levels? I've seen IP6's mineral binding effect touted as a way to reduce > iron stores without having blood drawn, and I'm curious if it actually > works. > > It was only when I got past the ~100 grams a day of IP6 did my ferritin levels drop. BUT, my white blood cell differential got very strange. It was looking like I had a bone marrow problem. Like I had stopped making new WBCs. I was producing almost Mongoloid sized WBCs as well. My ferritin levels never dropped to a worrisome point even when I titrated myself up to 500 grams of IP6 a day. Makes sense because IP6 is, despite all the hype, a very weak iron chelator. Now if you read the words of Bill Sardi (who has a Google alert set so that he'll send me nasty emails within 5 minutes of posting this) of pulp kind of medical books and resveratrol ?fame?, IP6 is a very powerful iron chelator and his formulation of resveratrol reverses aging by chelating you optimally. This is all backed up by a single subject study being done by an ophthalmologist. My ferritin levels never dropped to the point that the IP6 theoretically fought the "effects" of the 100 grams of Vitamin C infusions three times a week. In theory, Vitamin C causes generation of reactive oxidative species in the presence of iron which then go and attack the mitochondria. Cancer cells, accumulate loads of extra iron. IMO, the IP6 and the Vitamin C drips where Waiting for Godot: Something to keep me occupied and away from the oncologist and urologist until the "cure" came along. Of course being a very active participant of PCa forums made it very difficult to keep away from the oncologist because these forums tend to attract the gloom and doomers, those who "know better" because so and so tried this and is now in the hospice. Plus, it's pretty amazing if you don't do TM/TMSP, yagyas, Sudarshan Kriya, think you're Peter Pan and don't megadose on the latest supplements, how old and bitter you become at the over the hill age of 45. These forums are rife with such bitter, angry, frozen minded men, whose mindset is IMO the cause of their malady and suffering.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate Cancer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall wrote: > > > I bought 100 Kgs at a time of IP6 and was taking it with Inositol, > which I also bought in 100 Kg lots. Was up to 500 grams a day. > I lost weight because I was so full, I didn't have much of an > appetite. Did nothing. Are you aware of the IP6 having had any effect on your serum ferritin levels? I've seen IP6's mineral binding effect touted as a way to reduce iron stores without having blood drawn, and I'm curious if it actually works.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate Cancer
thx...yes indeed: one can bring up faults in individual remedies or drugs, the basic idea is the use of a "shot-gun" principle rather than the single bullet strategy. Do the research first, don't jump to conclusions. I recommend starting with the sources of knowledge coming from the "conventional" camps such as UCLA, Mayo Clinic, etc; and with a few minutes of searching you will find that behind the scenes of orthodox specialities (radiation, chemo, surgery); there may be an an elite experimental group that uses for example: highly bioavailable forms of Curcumin. I'm talking about the orthodox M.D.s at those clinics - who while promoting their usual radiation, chemo, and surgery, will use sleight-of-hand, under the table procedures to try the alternative remedies should their chemo not work. For example, if you google "SLCP curcumin (solid lipid curcumin particle), developed at UCLA, you'll be led to the actual product and the Companies that market this. Then go on to the other clinics, and you'll find (for example) an ultra high potency form of broccoli, containing sulforaphane; with a typical article "Broccoli extract can 'target' cancer cells: Study". Do the research, connect the dots http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_art&FileName=MoreThanMeetsPrintable --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Yifu wrote: > > > thanks a lot for that excellent post. Well done! > > > > I would also add curcumin (Meriva brand - phytosome; articles online), flax > > hull lignans (active ingredient SDG), astaxanthin, and IP6, as well as MCP > > (modified citrus pectin). For those with $, take Longvida curcumin as well > > as the Meriva curcumin. > > > > http://www.fantasygallery.net/fishel/art_3_magic-kingdom.html > > > > > > > There you go again. I took every single one of your recommendations and > ones beyond that. Did no good. There's a thriving > under/through/overground of guys with prostate cancer, women with breast > cancer and on and on. Compare notes via IRC, SMS, various IM providers. > When a new study comes out, guys or women all around the world are notified > within seconds. Major research going on since there are researchers, > statisticians, oncologists stricken with one of the cancers. Word spreading > about the demise of so and so who tried this or that. Men and women who's > signature contain their entire medical history with respect to their cancer, > their attempts at cure, even X-rays, tomography and other images. Hundreds > of thousands of case studies available updated to, for example, how much IP6 > and Inositol I took this morning and my latest PSA. It's very evident what > works (precious little), what doesn't work (whatever you recommend), what's > illegal but works (DES for PCa, e.g.). So while you are glorying your > infinite knowledge of what the adverts say about the latest snake oil you're > pushing here, others can tap into case histories on who tried Sutherlandia > and died, who didn't (those diagnosed with moderate cases). > > I bought 100 Kgs at a time of IP6 and was taking it with Inositol, which I > also bought in 100 Kg lots. Was up to 500 grams a day. I lost weight > because I was so full, I didn't have much of an appetite. Did nothing. > Then I realized what the IP6 scam was all about. Hundreds of thousands of > websites touting IP6 and Inositol for cancer. Every different color on > Earth, every different font, dozens of different languages, all different > formats. Yet each and every website was identical, word for word. Every > one, being identical, wrote about the same study of two human subjects in an > Italian hospital years ago. Never replicated. This wasn't a job of > Google's bane, contentless screen scraping. This was viral marketing at > it's best. Say the same words in a couple dozen languages, different > fonts, different websites then offer your wares, which just happen to be > Enzymatic Cell Therapy Forte or some such name for the same combo, selling > at 2000X wholesale prices I paid when I bought the two supplements by the > very big barrelful. On every cancer forum have someone mentioning that > they're taking IP6 and Inositol or Enzymatic Cell Therapy Forte (after > surgery, chemo and X-ray therapy) and it becomes accepted fact that this > combo does work. Maharishi is enlightened. You can't fathom a person's > level of evolution. Maharishi is zany. He's a nut case. Now, ipso > facto, he's enlightened. > > I also took a very dangerous substance that's been tested in Canada. > Scarcely any effect except neuropathy, which I developed a very bad case of > and am finally over. The results of the initial study have been > released. The patients died. > > Well, it didn't work for me nor for any other guy with PCa who followed my > lead. Many of those guys are now deceased. > > What is working for those guys who try
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate Cancer
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Yifu wrote: > thanks a lot for that excellent post. Well done! > > I would also add curcumin (Meriva brand - phytosome; articles online), flax > hull lignans (active ingredient SDG), astaxanthin, and IP6, as well as MCP > (modified citrus pectin). For those with $, take Longvida curcumin as well > as the Meriva curcumin. > > http://www.fantasygallery.net/fishel/art_3_magic-kingdom.html > > > There you go again. I took every single one of your recommendations and ones beyond that. Did no good. There's a thriving under/through/overground of guys with prostate cancer, women with breast cancer and on and on. Compare notes via IRC, SMS, various IM providers. When a new study comes out, guys or women all around the world are notified within seconds. Major research going on since there are researchers, statisticians, oncologists stricken with one of the cancers. Word spreading about the demise of so and so who tried this or that. Men and women who's signature contain their entire medical history with respect to their cancer, their attempts at cure, even X-rays, tomography and other images. Hundreds of thousands of case studies available updated to, for example, how much IP6 and Inositol I took this morning and my latest PSA. It's very evident what works (precious little), what doesn't work (whatever you recommend), what's illegal but works (DES for PCa, e.g.). So while you are glorying your infinite knowledge of what the adverts say about the latest snake oil you're pushing here, others can tap into case histories on who tried Sutherlandia and died, who didn't (those diagnosed with moderate cases). I bought 100 Kgs at a time of IP6 and was taking it with Inositol, which I also bought in 100 Kg lots. Was up to 500 grams a day. I lost weight because I was so full, I didn't have much of an appetite. Did nothing. Then I realized what the IP6 scam was all about. Hundreds of thousands of websites touting IP6 and Inositol for cancer. Every different color on Earth, every different font, dozens of different languages, all different formats. Yet each and every website was identical, word for word. Every one, being identical, wrote about the same study of two human subjects in an Italian hospital years ago. Never replicated. This wasn't a job of Google's bane, contentless screen scraping. This was viral marketing at it's best. Say the same words in a couple dozen languages, different fonts, different websites then offer your wares, which just happen to be Enzymatic Cell Therapy Forte or some such name for the same combo, selling at 2000X wholesale prices I paid when I bought the two supplements by the very big barrelful. On every cancer forum have someone mentioning that they're taking IP6 and Inositol or Enzymatic Cell Therapy Forte (after surgery, chemo and X-ray therapy) and it becomes accepted fact that this combo does work. Maharishi is enlightened. You can't fathom a person's level of evolution. Maharishi is zany. He's a nut case. Now, ipso facto, he's enlightened. I also took a very dangerous substance that's been tested in Canada. Scarcely any effect except neuropathy, which I developed a very bad case of and am finally over. The results of the initial study have been released. The patients died. Well, it didn't work for me nor for any other guy with PCa who followed my lead. Many of those guys are now deceased. What is working for those guys who try it is the Six Supplement Cure, which I take no claim to except I have a 3 years' supply of the supplements in a cool place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate Cancer
thanks a lot for that excellent post. Well done! I would also add curcumin (Meriva brand - phytosome; articles online), flax hull lignans (active ingredient SDG), astaxanthin, and IP6, as well as MCP (modified citrus pectin). For those with $, take Longvida curcumin as well as the Meriva curcumin. http://www.fantasygallery.net/fishel/art_3_magic-kingdom.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall wrote: > > Since someone brought up the issue of colon cancer screening, I guess it's > safe to talk about another worry, prostate cancer. > > I am definitely for early PSA screening. The proponents are against it > because cancer is such a mess and though 18 y/o males when autopsied for > other reasons show the early stages of prostate cancer, most men will > succumb to other causes before prostate cancer gets them. Indeed, being > biopsied for prostate cancer after getting a high PSA reading can > conceivably spread the cancer which was best left alone. > > There appears to be a way to keep prostate cancer at bay if not kill it off > completely. Having tried all sorts of natural remedies like 100 grams of > Vitamin C infusions 3 times a week and even taking a very dangerous compound > banned in the US, I'm happy to say that perhaps there is support of Nature > and maybe jyotish and yagyas work. It was on the day of the lunar eclipse a > few months ago during a slew of yagyas I was sponsoring that I got a phone > call quite out of the blue from someone who claimed they knew me from a > prostate cancer forum I participated in a few years ago. He knew I had an > adventurous bent and was an independent thinker and tinkerer so he told me > of the six supplement prostate cancer "cure". Well, I ordered up the > supplements and low and behold. PSA's dropping like a rock. Pain, > discomfort are almost gone, need to get up in the middle of the night mostly > gone, flow rate increasingly daily. > > I was hesitant to mention the six supplement "cure" because we have an idiot > on this forum who believes he's God's Gift to Ayurveda, as he's "certified" > in "metabolic profiling". This idiot sent me a list of things to take for > prostate cancer and regrettably one or two on the list make up the SSC. I > cringe whenever he posts about this tar from the Andes or some other wonder > snake oil. He's a menace and one of the very good arguments for the FDA > exercising much stricter control over the many $Billions supplements scam. > > I don't know why the SSC works except that each of the supplements is itself > under investigation for battling prostate cancer, but under laboratory > conditions with concentrations one can't get into one's body, let alone to a > place which pretty much filters the blood supply, thereby isolating itself > from many supplements and cancer drugs. Perhaps the guy who discovered the > SSC, a guy I know only as Kurt Vogler in North Carolina figured out the > synergy of the SSC, as some of the supplements aren't even absorbed well > enough into the blood stream to be noticed. > > Whatever, here is the SSC. I suggest that considering the very messy > alternatives, a guy give the SSC a couple months trial. > > 1) Pomegranate extract 1000mg from POM Wonderful > 2) Aged garlic extract 1000mg from Kyolic > 3) Green Tea Extract 500mg from Puritans Pride > 4) Broccoli Sprout Extract 1000mg from NSI (nutraceutical sciences > institute) > 5) High Potency Quercetin 650mg from Swanson > 6) Soy Isoflavones 150mg from Now > > NSI is now marketed by Vitacost but it's got the same SKU as before. Don't > just take one capsule of each supplement as these dosages stated on the list > are also stated on the ingredients labels except it's sometimes the dosage > contained in 2 capsules. > > Hello. My name is Tom and I am a survivor of moderately aggressive prostate > cancer. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Dec 31, 2008, at 1:44 PM, drpetersutphen wrote: > > > You snipped improperly and attributed an email to me that I did not > > post! > > > > Actually it was Nablusoss's post that was incorrectly snipped. His > bad snip--not unusual for him--carried over into the message which > came solely from Nabby. So please take it up with him. Maybe if he'd > get checked the problem would end. > > Nabby: get checked so your email snippings are more in accord with > natural law. You're a freaking fool. Why would I e-mail you ? Send your excuses where they belong; to Peter.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
On Dec 31, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Peter wrote: > There's a bias in the TMO regarding allopathic medicine. It was > recently posted here about the Purusha guy who contracted a > respiratory infection while in India for Maharishi's funeral. He > came back to the states, didn't do anything other than meditate and > take some herbs, developed secondary bacterial infections in his > lungs and died. This is incredibly stupid. Who? > What, did he think antibiotics would "ruin" his changes for > Enlightenment? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
On Dec 31, 2008, at 1:44 PM, drpetersutphen wrote: You snipped improperly and attributed an email to me that I did not post! Actually it was Nablusoss's post that was incorrectly snipped. His bad snip--not unusual for him--carried over into the message which came solely from Nabby. So please take it up with him. Maybe if he'd get checked the problem would end. Nabby: get checked so your email snippings are more in accord with natural law.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
You snipped improperly and attributed an email to me that I did not post! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Vaj wrote: On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:33 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: I have a german friend from Purusha who caught some kind of cancer at the age of 31. He refused any treatment whatsoever, left for Varanasi and dropped the body there. I still laugh when I remember the abandoun in his eyes when he said he would soon die ! What an idiot. He committed suicide and you applaud his fear of mere medical treatment. Probably reincarnate as some being without a spine. I do not know the exact words Maharishi used when He was told of my friends descision to refuse treatment by german doctors, but it was a blessing and He gave His respect to my friends descision. So he assisted in the suicide. Sounds about right. He's got a lot of blood on his (now dead) hands. The descision of my german friend and that of the lovely lady at 90 are the same. Only those attached to life fear death. Only those who recognize the preciousness of life preserve it. What fools.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
yes "vaj", and the people of Tibet are real stoked at having the Dalai Lama presiding over their extinction. just as the Buddhists of Myanmar and Cambodia did nothing to prevent the wholesale genocide of their countries' populations. you have the balls to imply MMY is a murderer, when Buddhists through their passivity and ineffectiveness have done absolutely nothing to prevent the slaughter of millions? shame on you. "Only those who recognize the preciousness of life preserve it." indeed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:33 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > wrote: > > > > I have a german friend from Purusha who caught some kind of cancer at > > the age of 31. He refused any treatment whatsoever, left for Varanasi > > and dropped the body there. I still laugh when I remember the > > abandoun in his eyes when he said he would soon die ! > > What an idiot. He committed suicide and you applaud his fear of mere > medical treatment. Probably reincarnate as some being without a spine. > > > I do not know the exact words Maharishi used when He was told of my > > friends descision to refuse treatment by german doctors, but it was a > > blessing and He gave His respect to my friends descision. > > So he assisted in the suicide. Sounds about right. He's got a lot of > blood on his (now dead) hands. > > > > > The descision of my german friend and that of the lovely lady at 90 > > are the same. > > > > Only those attached to life fear death. > > Only those who recognize the preciousness of life preserve it. What > fools. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 11:26 AM, curtisdeltablues < curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" > wrote: > > I gotta say, this whole topic has added a bit of gravitas to FFL > lately. This is profound shit and I greatly appreciate your sharing > your thinking process with us. Your friend is lucky to have you as a > fellow health advocate for his care. There are so many complicated > decisions and it is smart to go in with your eyes wide open. No one > has a magic simple solution to complex medical issues. Not being > afraid to jump into the complexity and seek different opinions goes > against our natural desire to find a simple solution. I went through > this with some loved ones so I know how strong the tendency is to stop > going deeper and finding more complexity. It gets overwhelming. You > are being a good friend and I wish you both good luck. > > Curtis, I certainly hope that my request to this very diverse and esteemed group of character assassins **and life threateners hasn't dampened the spirit of the group. I'm feeling pretty good about the situation, as is my friend. But then I'm playing hooky from the Dome doing this research. I'm doing this all in the very rarified atmosphere of the cult we all hold so dearly. It turns out the my friend's insurance company, UnitedHealthCare, very surprisingly thinks the waters in this area are pretty muddy and are a delight to deal with in this matter. My friend and I just had a concall with a registered nurse at UHC asking what the protocol is for a second opinion. My friend said that according to Johns Hopkins, 1/3 of all prostate biopsy results are false. "Would you like to go to Hopkins?", asked the nurse. That took the wind out of both of our sails. My friend and I agreed that the Austin Diagnostic Center would be perfectly fine. It's just outside of the northern part of the Austin City limits and in the high tech corridor of Austin. Where there's high tech there's good insurance coverage. Where there's good insurance coverage, there's good medicine. Plus there are a lot of TMer and Governor doctors who have privileges there. Might as well keep this all in the cult. My friend complained about the assembly line manner in which the urology practice group he's been going to operates and asked if he should expect pushback when mentioning a second opinion. My friend was told that if he receives pushback then he's obviously in the wrong place. Call back in and get the name of another urologist to see. I am very grateful for the advice that's been rendered here, though obviously it's coming from all directions and following all of it is, shall we say a personal matter? It's interesting how the group dynamics have played out. The posts and email I've received are very appreciated. I am a helper by nature, which is I guess why my friend turned to me. Yesterday I didn't know quite know what to tell my friend. Now I'm happy from the contributions here, Google and my friend's insurance company, there's a path forward. That's what matters at this point.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:33 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: I have a german friend from Purusha who caught some kind of cancer at the age of 31. He refused any treatment whatsoever, left for Varanasi and dropped the body there. I still laugh when I remember the abandoun in his eyes when he said he would soon die ! What an idiot. He committed suicide and you applaud his fear of mere medical treatment. Probably reincarnate as some being without a spine. I do not know the exact words Maharishi used when He was told of my friends descision to refuse treatment by german doctors, but it was a blessing and He gave His respect to my friends descision. So he assisted in the suicide. Sounds about right. He's got a lot of blood on his (now dead) hands. The descision of my german friend and that of the lovely lady at 90 are the same. Only those attached to life fear death. Only those who recognize the preciousness of life preserve it. What fools.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > Only those attached to life fear death. I agree with that, but I don't see how non-attachment to life validates reckless disregard for it. Life is still precious, and it's stupid to needlessly throw it away by not properly treating an easily treatable medical condition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" wrote: I gotta say, this whole topic has added a bit of gravitas to FFL lately. This is profound shit and I greatly appreciate your sharing your thinking process with us. Your friend is lucky to have you as a fellow health advocate for his care. There are so many complicated decisions and it is smart to go in with your eyes wide open. No one has a magic simple solution to complex medical issues. Not being afraid to jump into the complexity and seek different opinions goes against our natural desire to find a simple solution. I went through this with some loved ones so I know how strong the tendency is to stop going deeper and finding more complexity. It gets overwhelming. You are being a good friend and I wish you both good luck. > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Peter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The arrogant bias against surgery has destined many > > > individuals within the TMO, and > > > without, to death. Do you think these now-deceased > > > persons made some sort of point by > > > refusing surgery, and then dying ?Apparently there are > > > some huge egos among us who aim > > > for fame from a non-surgical 'cure'. Wow ! > > > > I don't see it as arrogance, more fear (which could be seen as a very > > subtle arrogance, I guess) from ignorance and being perpetually bombarded > > with disinformation about "natural" cures. Once tumors have formed, short of > > a miracle, they have to be cutout or destroyed through radiation or > > chemotherapy. After that, perhaps a healthy diet could have some preventive > > impact on future reoccurrence, but cancer has a strong genetic component > > that no diet will directly impact. > > > > There's a bias in the TMO regarding allopathic medicine. It was recently > > posted here about the Purusha guy who contracted a respiratory infection > > while in India for Maharishi's funeral. He came back to the states, didn't > > do anything other than meditate and take some herbs, developed secondary > > bacterial infections in his lungs and died. This is incredibly stupid. What, > > did he think antibiotics would "ruin" his changes for Enlightenment? > > > > My friend is waiting for his appointment with the prostate cancer specialist > on 9 January 2009. There's nothing wrong with looking at all the > alternatives. This sort of surgery is not like a root canal. It's a pretty > messy recovery period of about a year. > > The first response is, is there an alternative route. A bunch of > alternatives were thrown at me in public and I'm still having to fight off > well meaning but off the mark nutrition and faith healing suggestions. But > it's looking more and more like the robotic surgery, if available for my > friend (if the cancer has not spread), is the way to go. > > But that's not the end of it. I received an interesting PDF file from Johns > Hopkins urging men to get a second and third opinion. It turns out that the > biopsy report is very subject to interpretation and one pathologist will see > cancer all over the place and another will not see any. So making sure the > diagnosis is correct is in the best interest of my good buddy. The > diagnosis will determine the course of treatment and obviously the outcome. > > Fear? Obviously my friend is fearful and I am fearful for him. But the > fact is this appears to be a less cut (pardon the pun) and dried situation, > according to Hopkins, so it is worth the investigation. I don't at all see > my asking if there were a nutritional cure as a bad, proud or magical > thinking question. I asked, I got the answers, I investigated the answers, > they were wanting and are discarded. I'm sending my friend my progress as I > investigate this for him and he agrees which my assessment. Now if my > friend had Gleason 2-5, I would strongly urge him to try an alternate cure > for a few months while being monitored for progress of the cancer. > > I can tell you that /I/ learned about 2 decades ago to cut out the > foolishness about staying in bed and meditating extra because of a "cold". > I was on business in San Francisco. I had this infection in the lungs. I > stayed in for two days and meditated. My boss called me up and asked me > what the Hell I was doing. I told him and he told me that we don't do this > sort of thing on company time. He told me to tell the hotel (it was the > Hyatt in Union Square) to call a doctor for me. The doctor came to my room, > diagnosed me with a pretty serious case of bronchitis, prescribed some > antiobiotics. I had the prescription filled and continued meditating. It > took two more days before I could go do my business. For about 10 years I > ran a tendency to get bronchitis and I've been very careful since then to go > to the doctor, fast. OTOH if I can tell that I've just got a cold, I'll do > the extra meditations but I'll make sure I call the doctor. If I'm told "we > have a lot of that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Peter wrote: > > > > > > The arrogant bias against surgery has destined many > > individuals within the TMO, and > > without, to death. Do you think these now-deceased > > persons made some sort of point by > > refusing surgery, and then dying ?Apparently there are > > some huge egos among us who aim > > for fame from a non-surgical 'cure'. Wow ! > > I don't see it as arrogance, more fear (which could be seen as a very > subtle arrogance, I guess) from ignorance and being perpetually bombarded > with disinformation about "natural" cures. Once tumors have formed, short of > a miracle, they have to be cutout or destroyed through radiation or > chemotherapy. After that, perhaps a healthy diet could have some preventive > impact on future reoccurrence, but cancer has a strong genetic component > that no diet will directly impact. > > There's a bias in the TMO regarding allopathic medicine. It was recently > posted here about the Purusha guy who contracted a respiratory infection > while in India for Maharishi's funeral. He came back to the states, didn't > do anything other than meditate and take some herbs, developed secondary > bacterial infections in his lungs and died. This is incredibly stupid. What, > did he think antibiotics would "ruin" his changes for Enlightenment? > My friend is waiting for his appointment with the prostate cancer specialist on 9 January 2009. There's nothing wrong with looking at all the alternatives. This sort of surgery is not like a root canal. It's a pretty messy recovery period of about a year. The first response is, is there an alternative route. A bunch of alternatives were thrown at me in public and I'm still having to fight off well meaning but off the mark nutrition and faith healing suggestions. But it's looking more and more like the robotic surgery, if available for my friend (if the cancer has not spread), is the way to go. But that's not the end of it. I received an interesting PDF file from Johns Hopkins urging men to get a second and third opinion. It turns out that the biopsy report is very subject to interpretation and one pathologist will see cancer all over the place and another will not see any. So making sure the diagnosis is correct is in the best interest of my good buddy. The diagnosis will determine the course of treatment and obviously the outcome. Fear? Obviously my friend is fearful and I am fearful for him. But the fact is this appears to be a less cut (pardon the pun) and dried situation, according to Hopkins, so it is worth the investigation. I don't at all see my asking if there were a nutritional cure as a bad, proud or magical thinking question. I asked, I got the answers, I investigated the answers, they were wanting and are discarded. I'm sending my friend my progress as I investigate this for him and he agrees which my assessment. Now if my friend had Gleason 2-5, I would strongly urge him to try an alternate cure for a few months while being monitored for progress of the cancer. I can tell you that /I/ learned about 2 decades ago to cut out the foolishness about staying in bed and meditating extra because of a "cold". I was on business in San Francisco. I had this infection in the lungs. I stayed in for two days and meditated. My boss called me up and asked me what the Hell I was doing. I told him and he told me that we don't do this sort of thing on company time. He told me to tell the hotel (it was the Hyatt in Union Square) to call a doctor for me. The doctor came to my room, diagnosed me with a pretty serious case of bronchitis, prescribed some antiobiotics. I had the prescription filled and continued meditating. It took two more days before I could go do my business. For about 10 years I ran a tendency to get bronchitis and I've been very careful since then to go to the doctor, fast. OTOH if I can tell that I've just got a cold, I'll do the extra meditations but I'll make sure I call the doctor. If I'm told "we have a lot of that going around, wait a few days then call us back" then I'll do that. I don't think that one should fear or avoid death. But life is a sacred gift that we hold onto as long as possible. Now I have had friends on THMD and THP who have died under circumstances where I think they should have sought real medical health first and foremost. I'll just state that as my opinion of events and leave it at that. Doctors don't save lives after all, they prolong them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > There's a bias in the TMO regarding allopathic medicine. It was recently posted here about the Purusha guy who contracted a respiratory infection while in India for Maharishi's funeral. He came back to the states, didn't do anything other than meditate and take some herbs, developed secondary bacterial infections in his lungs and died. This is incredibly stupid. What, did he think antibiotics would "ruin" his changes for Enlightenment? Dear Peter, what is so wrong with dying, even as a young person ? Death is perfectly natural. What is the idea behind trying to stay aliwe when we have already been dying thousands of times ? I have a friend, she is a loving, longtime-Governor trained in India, now 90 years. She has had all the ailments in the book but wants to live untill she is 115 or 120 years. I happen to know that this pure being has the blessing from Maharishi to do whatever she likes. She does not cling to life. I have a german friend from Purusha who caught some kind of cancer at the age of 31. He refused any treatment whatsoever, left for Varanasi and dropped the body there. I still laugh when I remember the abandoun in his eyes when he said he would soon die ! I do not know the exact words Maharishi used when He was told of my friends descision to refuse treatment by german doctors, but it was a blessing and He gave His respect to my friends descision. The descision of my german friend and that of the lovely lady at 90 are the same. Only those attached to life fear death.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- On Wed, 12/31/08, mainstream20016 wrote: > From: mainstream20016 > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:47 AM > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > wrote: > > > > Why all this resistance to surgery? Flax seeds? Give > me a break. Once the horse has left the > barn any nutritional approach is a tad late! Again, why all > this resistance to standard medical > procedures? > > > > > > The arrogant bias against surgery has destined many > individuals within the TMO, and > without, to death. Do you think these now-deceased > persons made some sort of point by > refusing surgery, and then dying ?Apparently there are > some huge egos among us who aim > for fame from a non-surgical 'cure'. Wow ! I don't see it as arrogance, more fear (which could be seen as a very subtle arrogance, I guess) from ignorance and being perpetually bombarded with disinformation about "natural" cures. Once tumors have formed, short of a miracle, they have to be cutout or destroyed through radiation or chemotherapy. After that, perhaps a healthy diet could have some preventive impact on future reoccurrence, but cancer has a strong genetic component that no diet will directly impact. There's a bias in the TMO regarding allopathic medicine. It was recently posted here about the Purusha guy who contracted a respiratory infection while in India for Maharishi's funeral. He came back to the states, didn't do anything other than meditate and take some herbs, developed secondary bacterial infections in his lungs and died. This is incredibly stupid. What, did he think antibiotics would "ruin" his changes for Enlightenment? > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > Why all this resistance to surgery? Flax seeds? Give me a break. Once the > horse has left the barn any nutritional approach is a tad late! Again, why all this resistance to standard medical procedures? > The arrogant bias against surgery has destined many individuals within the TMO, and without, to death. Do you think these now-deceased persons made some sort of point by refusing surgery, and then dying ?Apparently there are some huge egos among us who aim for fame from a non-surgical 'cure'. Wow !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Your friend was born under the sign of Leo according to jyotish > > > rules, and the Moon is under the asterism or nakshatra of Revati. > > > > > > In the main chart or rashi kundali, The 7th house signifying the > > > prostrate gland is under heavy malefic influence with the Sun and > > > Mercury in it and aspected by Mars and Saturn (both are malefic). > > > > > > The subsidiary chart or navamsha kundali shows that the cancer > > > growth is located at the entrance to the prostate gland. This > > > area of the gland is under heavy malefic influence as well. > > > > > > The treatment may include surgery (due to the influence of Mars) > > > and radiation treatment (due to the influence of Rahu in the > > > navamsha chart). > > > > > > Recommendation > > > > > > 1. Take aggressive action to treat the cancer growth. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > John, > > > > While I understand that you believe in this > > Jyotish stuff, and actually believe that the > > information you post above is 1) valid, 2) > > useful, and 3) not based on having been told > > ahead of time what the medical problem was, > > I am less than convinced. > > > > So I propose another test. Here is the birth > > data for a friend who is having a medical > > issue. The nature of it will remain unstated, > > for obvious reasons, but suffice it to say > > that it is serious enough that it has required > > and still requires attention from doctors, and > > has the possibility of requiring surgery. > > > > Born: Suffern, New York, USA > > September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) > > > > So what is my friend's medical issue, and > > what is the prognosis and best course of care, > > according to Jyotish? > > > > Waiting with 'bated breath... > > > > Turq > > > > Barry, > > In my dealings with you, I found that you have already a predisposed > opinion about TM and the vedic sciences which is not positive to say > the least. We have also noticed that no matter what the facts are > or what the rationales are, you continue to disbelieve in these > sciences. So, it would not be reasonable for me to get into this > experiment since I already know what you are thinking and that you > are going to prove it wrong whatever I say. > > Jyotish is also for people who are sincerely looking for help. It is > not for people who have a bias against it. Given this background, it > would not be wise to get involved with this so called experiment-- > which is really a set up for your own entertainment. > > Nonetheless, I will take a look at the chart and analyze it. If I > see anything earth shaking, I will notify the group...or maybe not. Good for you. But I think you should report whatever you see otherwise we end up with a publication selection bias problem. If you've got the time and are happy to try I'll volunteer my details so we can start to get more of a spread of ability rather than just a sample of one which may be misleading as people of a certain age and sex are more likely to have particular health problems thus requiring the weighting of any result to hopefully eliminate that. I'm as skeptical as it gets about astrology (any sort) I simply don't get how it might work, physically, mentally, astronomically, quantum mechanically etc. But that doesn't mean I'm biased, I've just never seen any convincing evidence. The good thing about solid double blind data is that it doesn't matter what you think about it, it speaks for itself. So far jyotish has proved to be less impressive than someone making guesses. I'm more than happy to be proved wrong though, I imagine it would be pretty useful to be able to predict what the course of events in any sphere of my life is likely to be, I just need the confidence that it's actually telling me something. So there you go, the offer's there. I'm happy to take part it'll be fun and maybe even interesting. > JR >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > I agree that JohnR seems sincere. I'm not so sure about Chopra. > > Who I understand does still in fact hold a medical license but > > doesn't claim to practice. Go figure. > > > > Anyway, I am drifting. > > > > You claim to have seen people levitate. You are probably more > > open to a Joytish claim than most other people here. :) > > Not really. > > I actually *did* see someone levitate, hundreds > of times over a period of 14 years. So did liter- > ally thousands of other people. > > WHAT we saw and why we saw it is up for debate. > But the fact that we saw it is not. It has been > written about by many people in many places. > > Having seen it was one of the most real exper- > iences of my life. As far as I can tell, Jyotish > has nothing real about it. To me it's a pseudo- > science that depends on the projected belief of > its adherents, their gullibility, and their > desire to be told the things they want to hear > that keeps it going. > > I could be wrong about this. If JohnR manages > to "see" my friend's medical condition from his > perusal of the chart, I will be the first to say > so. That won't "prove" that Jyotish is valid, but > it'll sure raise my eyebrows, and I'll say so. > > The having seen someone levitating thang, however, > is another ball of wax. I'm not trying to convince > anyone that I have, and understand fully that I > can never do that, ever. It was my subjective > experience, and the subjective experience of many > other students, but subjective it will stay, forever. > The possibility does not exist to "prove" it one > way or another, because the dude who did the > floatin' is dead. > > But the accuracy of Jyotish CAN be proved one way > or another. I have proposed such a way. Whether > JohnR takes me up on it is up to him. He's the > one claiming that Jyotish is a science, and worth > the money people pay for it. I'm selling nothing, > and championing nothing that is for sale. All I'm > saying is that I was lucky enough to have seen > some neat stuff. :-) > My only implication was that your mind may be more open than some think. I for one have closed the door on Jyotish.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > I agree that JohnR seems sincere. I'm not so sure about Chopra. > Who I understand does still in fact hold a medical license but > doesn't claim to practice. Go figure. > > Anyway, I am drifting. > > You claim to have seen people levitate. You are probably more > open to a Joytish claim than most other people here. :) Not really. I actually *did* see someone levitate, hundreds of times over a period of 14 years. So did liter- ally thousands of other people. WHAT we saw and why we saw it is up for debate. But the fact that we saw it is not. It has been written about by many people in many places. Having seen it was one of the most real exper- iences of my life. As far as I can tell, Jyotish has nothing real about it. To me it's a pseudo- science that depends on the projected belief of its adherents, their gullibility, and their desire to be told the things they want to hear that keeps it going. I could be wrong about this. If JohnR manages to "see" my friend's medical condition from his perusal of the chart, I will be the first to say so. That won't "prove" that Jyotish is valid, but it'll sure raise my eyebrows, and I'll say so. The having seen someone levitating thang, however, is another ball of wax. I'm not trying to convince anyone that I have, and understand fully that I can never do that, ever. It was my subjective experience, and the subjective experience of many other students, but subjective it will stay, forever. The possibility does not exist to "prove" it one way or another, because the dude who did the floatin' is dead. But the accuracy of Jyotish CAN be proved one way or another. I have proposed such a way. Whether JohnR takes me up on it is up to him. He's the one claiming that Jyotish is a science, and worth the money people pay for it. I'm selling nothing, and championing nothing that is for sale. All I'm saying is that I was lucky enough to have seen some neat stuff. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > My contention, and my reason for posting this little > > > test, is that I believe Jyotish *depends* on people > > > having a bias *for* it. > > > > > > My contention is that if that bias were not present, > > > its customers would not view the predictions they > > > receive as being as accurate as they think they are > > > with that bias in place. > > > > This reminds me of Chopra when he declined double blind research > > on one or another supplement because he said the effects in part > > depended on the "education" of the person getting the treatment. > > The thing is, Ruth, my guess is that Chopra really > *believed* this. I don't see him as a charlatan, or > at least not a conscious one. > > Neither do I see JohnR as a charlatan. I see him as > someone who truly, honestly believes that Jyotish is > accurate and valid. > > But whether they believe it or not is not the question. > The question is, "Does it work?" > > I have provided a mechanism by which we on this forum > can test whether it works or not. Given my understanding > of Jyotish, it should be possible to assess my friend's > medical condition from the chart. Another Jyotish prac- > titioner *predicted* this condition from the same chart > long before it appeared. > > So can a second Jyotish practitioner do the same thing? > > Seems like a valid test to me. > I agree that JohnR seems sincere. I'm not so sure about Chopra. Who I understand does still in fact hold a medical license but doesn't claim to practice. Go figure. Anyway, I am drifting. You claim to have seen people levitate. You are probably more open to a Joytish claim than most other people here. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
On Dec 30, 2008, at 10:16 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: >> >> In the interest of fairness and accuracy, >> I have just consulted that oracle of truth >> and wisdom, The Magic Ouija Board, >> and it has verified that yes, without a doubt, >> Barry's person is real and he is NOT LYING. >> >> What more could anyone ask for? >> >> Sal > > I would like to see a cross reference with divination by sheep > intestines (the other popular "technology" for predicting the future) > if you don't mind. Sorry, Curtis, only vegetarian refs allowed. I will, however, mash up a few potatoes with some garlic and chives and see what washes. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > My contention, and my reason for posting this little > > test, is that I believe Jyotish *depends* on people > > having a bias *for* it. > > > > My contention is that if that bias were not present, > > its customers would not view the predictions they > > receive as being as accurate as they think they are > > with that bias in place. > > This reminds me of Chopra when he declined double blind research > on one or another supplement because he said the effects in part > depended on the "education" of the person getting the treatment. The thing is, Ruth, my guess is that Chopra really *believed* this. I don't see him as a charlatan, or at least not a conscious one. Neither do I see JohnR as a charlatan. I see him as someone who truly, honestly believes that Jyotish is accurate and valid. But whether they believe it or not is not the question. The question is, "Does it work?" I have provided a mechanism by which we on this forum can test whether it works or not. Given my understanding of Jyotish, it should be possible to assess my friend's medical condition from the chart. Another Jyotish prac- titioner *predicted* this condition from the same chart long before it appeared. So can a second Jyotish practitioner do the same thing? Seems like a valid test to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > My contention, and my reason for posting this little > test, is that I believe Jyotish *depends* on people > having a bias *for* it. > > My contention is that if that bias were not present, > its customers would not view the predictions they > receive as being as accurate as they think they are > with that bias in place. This reminds me of Chopra when he declined double blind research on one or another supplement because he said the effects in part depended on the "education" of the person getting the treatment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:42 PM, ruthsimplicity > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" > > > > I skimmed through these threads about your friend. I take it you are > > in Texas. If he hasn't been there already, I recommend MD Anderson > > Cancer Center in Houston for evaluation. http://www.mdanderson.org/ > > Better than roaming from one expert to another. > > > > Given the limited facts your presented (age, Gleason score, PSA, but > > not tumor grading or PSA doubling rate) I likely would not do watchful > > waiting and I would not rely on Curcumin and the like! Prostate > > cancer treatment has so many options and each individual is different, > > so don't take anything for advice here. (Other than what I said about > > visiting a major cancer center, like MD Anderson). > > > > Best wishes to you and your friend. > > > > > After lots of reading and looking at my friend's doctor's website at > http://www.prostatecenterofaustin.com/cancer.php , of a number of > things, which I've conveyed to my friend: > > 1) To accept the curcumin and other things I ordered for him and start > taking them while waiting for his doctor visit. To want to do > anything more with the neutraceuticals is just magical thinking. I > went to the various websites supplied by yifuxero. I read the > testimonials there. I didn't read as many glowing reports as yifuxero > did. Nothing really about cancer. Now I was able to Google some > things about prostate cancer and curcumin. Curcumin does sound very > promising and exciting. It may explain why Indian men don't often get > prostate cancer but American men do, very frequently. It looks like > curcumin should have been a part of my friend's diet, starting decades > ago. But as Peter said, once the horse has left the stable, well it > may be true that curcumin does slow down the growth of prostate cancer > and that medical researchers are looking at how to come up with a drug > based on curcumin. But neither it nor the other things recommended > are magic bullets against cancer. Oncologists aren't that biased and > dumb. I attract doctors around me, though none of my friends happen > to be urologists or oncologists. Though weary, they really want > what's best for the patient, assuming insurance will allow it. If a > food like flax seed or a spice like curcumin did work, really work > against cancer, oncologists would be all over it like white on rice. > > 2) To immediately cut out the megadoses of vitamins and minerals my > friend has taken for decades. It looks like megadoses encourage the > growth of advanced prostate cancer and a Gleason sore of 7 is well > into the advancing stage. > > 2) That a Gleason score of 7 on 3 nodes (but still at stage T0, no > visible or palpable sign of cancer) is defined as moderate aggressive. > There is actually a risk to life at this stage, though the odds of > complete recovery are very good if one opts for the robotic surgery. > This is far past the time of hopeful watching with or without > nutritional aids. It's time for action and the best action right now > appears to be the robotic surgery. Very neat, very clean, very good > at getting out the cancer but leaving as much as possible intact. > Recovery won't be the neatest thing, having to have a catheter/bag for > 8 days and having to do physical therapy to get control of the bladder > sphincter back. But this surgery does a lot less damage than cryo, > inserted radiation rods or external radiation beam. The $25,000 HiFu > available outside of the US might have been an option in the hopeful > watching period and there is no track record on for this treatment. > > 3) That my friend lucked out with getting one of the best urology > clinics in Texas and getting a consult with a very thorough and > trained urology surgeon. Looking over the website, I get a very good > feeling that Dr. Fagin will be very easy for my friend to talk with > and that he will be open minded to all options for treatment and has > been down this road many times before. Dr. Fagin has started > prescribing every other day Viagra (to priests as well?) during > recovery because doing so has been shown to bring one's sexual ability > back. I feel that going to MD Anderson in Houston or some famous > cancer clinic elsewhere might be overkill, though of course I will > suggest that my friend get a second opinion. > > Now as far as Ayurveda, well my friend went to see Mark Toomey at the > Raj the same day I did. My friend had this cancer then and mentioned > his high PSA to Mark. Mark did not detect it. So much for Ayurveda, > which may have shortened the lives of many THMDs, THPs and members of > the TMO, what with the heavy metals and the tendency of Ayurvedic > preparations to fight the effects of radiation, cancer drugs and > chemical altering of hormone levels (because many cancer cel
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > wrote: > > > > bravo! > > I don't think I really understand what your "bravo" statement refers > to? Is it out of line to ask a person making claims to provide some > evidence? the deal with JohnR's response was that he was refusing to take B. up on his challenge because B. was already prejudiced with regards to the results, so there was no point in proving the integrity of Jyotish to him. it was a matter of B.'s perceived integrity here. and also the sensitivity of the practice that JohnR brought up. i personally don't have an interest in Jyotish, so whether or not it is valid is of no practical value to me. i said bravo! because i thought JohnR's response to B. was more on the mark than an attempt to prove the value of Jyotish to a critic for their entertainment. The whole idea that Joitish is a "science" but is not for > people with a bias against it is worthy of challenge IMO. if it interests you, sure. it doesn't interest me. i put it on par with any astrological system- just one more toy in the toy chest. The use of > the term "science" is being used to influence credibility in the > reader. It implies that the methods of science are being employed. > And those methods are specifically designed to limit the influence of > bias as a factor. > > Of course John is free to ignore such requests, but I don't understand > why his response is "bravo!" worthy. > > Let's say he was representing a purely subjective psychic perspective. > He had a vision of this guy's health complaint and stated an opinion. > In my worldview that is not making a scientific claim, so it isn't > really worth testing or challenging. We all use our subjective > intuition from our experience. I lost a dear friend to this > condition, so I am very biased in my opinion towards quick aggressive > treatment. My opinion is really not worth much and I don't get to ride > on the enhanced credibility of the term "science" if I make my opinion > known. > > When the term "science" is used, it is for its spin effect of > requesting more credibility than if he said "I had a dream", or "this > is my personal opinion shaped by my limited experiences". What is > wrong with using some of the methods of the involked "science" to > determine if it is more than just a subjective guess? > > I think skepticism gets an unjustified bad name. not with me-- skeptical first is a good common sense approach. Don't we care about > that is true? All of us make personal choices about what we are going > to apply skepticism to. No one here believes everything out there > presented as true. We are all both skeptics and believers in our lives. > > I don't get what the "bravo!" was for in this case. > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > bravo! I don't think I really understand what your "bravo" statement refers to? Is it out of line to ask a person making claims to provide some evidence? The whole idea that Joitish is a "science" but is not for people with a bias against it is worthy of challenge IMO. The use of the term "science" is being used to influence credibility in the reader. It implies that the methods of science are being employed. And those methods are specifically designed to limit the influence of bias as a factor. Of course John is free to ignore such requests, but I don't understand why his response is "bravo!" worthy. Let's say he was representing a purely subjective psychic perspective. He had a vision of this guy's health complaint and stated an opinion. In my worldview that is not making a scientific claim, so it isn't really worth testing or challenging. We all use our subjective intuition from our experience. I lost a dear friend to this condition, so I am very biased in my opinion towards quick aggressive treatment. My opinion is really not worth much and I don't get to ride on the enhanced credibility of the term "science" if I make my opinion known. When the term "science" is used, it is for its spin effect of requesting more credibility than if he said "I had a dream", or "this is my personal opinion shaped by my limited experiences". What is wrong with using some of the methods of the involked "science" to determine if it is more than just a subjective guess? I think skepticism gets an unjustified bad name. Don't we care about that is true? All of us make personal choices about what we are going to apply skepticism to. No one here believes everything out there presented as true. We are all both skeptics and believers in our lives. I don't get what the "bravo!" was for in this case. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Your friend was born under the sign of Leo according to > jyotish > > > > rules, and the Moon is under the asterism or nakshatra of > Revati. > > > > > > > > In the main chart or rashi kundali, The 7th house signifying > the > > > > prostrate gland is under heavy malefic influence with the Sun > and > > > > Mercury in it and aspected by Mars and Saturn (both are > malefic). > > > > > > > > The subsidiary chart or navamsha kundali shows that the cancer > > > > growth is located at the entrance to the prostate gland. This > > > > area of the gland is under heavy malefic influence as well. > > > > > > > > The treatment may include surgery (due to the influence of > Mars) > > > > and radiation treatment (due to the influence of Rahu in the > > > > navamsha chart). > > > > > > > > Recommendation > > > > > > > > 1. Take aggressive action to treat the cancer growth. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > John, > > > > > > While I understand that you believe in this > > > Jyotish stuff, and actually believe that the > > > information you post above is 1) valid, 2) > > > useful, and 3) not based on having been told > > > ahead of time what the medical problem was, > > > I am less than convinced. > > > > > > So I propose another test. Here is the birth > > > data for a friend who is having a medical > > > issue. The nature of it will remain unstated, > > > for obvious reasons, but suffice it to say > > > that it is serious enough that it has required > > > and still requires attention from doctors, and > > > has the possibility of requiring surgery. > > > > > > Born: Suffern, New York, USA > > > September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) > > > > > > So what is my friend's medical issue, and > > > what is the prognosis and best course of care, > > > according to Jyotish? > > > > > > Waiting with 'bated breath... > > > > > > Turq > > > > > > > Barry, > > > > In my dealings with you, I found that you have already a > predisposed > > opinion about TM and the vedic sciences which is not positive to > say > > the least. We have also noticed that no matter what the facts > are > > or what the rationales are, you continue to disbelieve in these > > sciences. So, it would not be reasonable for me to get into this > > experiment since I already know what you are thinking and that you > > are going to prove it wrong whatever I say. > > > > Jyotish is also for people who are sincerely looking for help. It > is > > not for people who have a bias against it. Given this background, > it > > would not be wise to get involved with this so called experiment-- > > which is really a set up for your own entertainment. > > > > Nonetheless, I will take a look at the chart and analyze it. If I > > see anything earth shaking, I will notify the group...or maybe not. > > >
The Raj/Ayurveda--Was [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 2:31 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > bravo! > <
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > Barry, > > In my dealings with you, I found that you have already a > predisposed opinion about TM and the vedic sciences which is > not positive to say the least. That is a fair thing to say about my opinion of the so-called "Vedic Sciences." I don't think I have a non-positive opinion about TM per se (the technique itself). I think it's a potentially valuable beginner's technique of meditation, and wish that it was still taught at a reasonable cost, and without all the TMO baggage. > We have also noticed that no matter what the facts are > or what the rationales are, you continue to disbelieve in > these sciences. You have noticed that no matter what arguments you have presented so far, I remain unconvinced that practices such as Jyotish are valid, much less that they are "sciences." > So, it would not be reasonable for me to get into this > experiment since I already know what you are thinking and > that you are going to prove it wrong whatever I say. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt by assum- ing that you are replying to the posts in order, as you come across them, and have not read what I have done to ensure that I can't do what you are accusing me of above by claiming that you "already know what I am thinking." The data is already in the hands of Rick, Alex, and Gull. They have my full permission to repost it if what I say in response to your posted analysis of this person's chart differs in any way. > Jyotish is also for people who are sincerely looking for > help. It is not for people who have a bias against it. My contention, and my reason for posting this little test, is that I believe Jyotish *depends* on people having a bias *for* it. My contention is that if that bias were not present, its customers would not view the predictions they receive as being as accurate as they think they are with that bias in place. You have the opportunity to disprove my contention. What you do with that opportunity is up to you. > Given this background, it would not be wise to get > involved with this so called experiment--which is > really a set up for your own entertainment. It is definitely, no bullshit, 100% a setup for my own entertainment. It will be entertaining whether you take me up on the challenge or not. > Nonetheless, I will take a look at the chart and analyze > it. If I see anything earth shaking, I will notify the > group...or maybe not. With all due respect, John, if you *fail* to notify the group of whatever you find, earth-shaking or not, you do not have the right to ever refer to Jyotish here in the future as a "science." Science is about predictions that can be verified. The mechanism is in place to verify the accuracy of yours. It is not in my hands; it's in the hands of the FFL moderators. If your "science" requires that someone believe in it before it "works," it's not much of a "science," now is it? You will either see something interesting in the chart or you won't. You will post what you see or you won't. Your call. But I'm just sayin'...if you fail to post anything, that says a great deal more about the validity of Jyotish than if you post something and it's wrong.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
bravo! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Your friend was born under the sign of Leo according to jyotish > > > rules, and the Moon is under the asterism or nakshatra of Revati. > > > > > > In the main chart or rashi kundali, The 7th house signifying the > > > prostrate gland is under heavy malefic influence with the Sun and > > > Mercury in it and aspected by Mars and Saturn (both are malefic). > > > > > > The subsidiary chart or navamsha kundali shows that the cancer > > > growth is located at the entrance to the prostate gland. This > > > area of the gland is under heavy malefic influence as well. > > > > > > The treatment may include surgery (due to the influence of Mars) > > > and radiation treatment (due to the influence of Rahu in the > > > navamsha chart). > > > > > > Recommendation > > > > > > 1. Take aggressive action to treat the cancer growth. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > John, > > > > While I understand that you believe in this > > Jyotish stuff, and actually believe that the > > information you post above is 1) valid, 2) > > useful, and 3) not based on having been told > > ahead of time what the medical problem was, > > I am less than convinced. > > > > So I propose another test. Here is the birth > > data for a friend who is having a medical > > issue. The nature of it will remain unstated, > > for obvious reasons, but suffice it to say > > that it is serious enough that it has required > > and still requires attention from doctors, and > > has the possibility of requiring surgery. > > > > Born: Suffern, New York, USA > > September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) > > > > So what is my friend's medical issue, and > > what is the prognosis and best course of care, > > according to Jyotish? > > > > Waiting with 'bated breath... > > > > Turq > > > > Barry, > > In my dealings with you, I found that you have already a predisposed > opinion about TM and the vedic sciences which is not positive to say > the least. We have also noticed that no matter what the facts are > or what the rationales are, you continue to disbelieve in these > sciences. So, it would not be reasonable for me to get into this > experiment since I already know what you are thinking and that you > are going to prove it wrong whatever I say. > > Jyotish is also for people who are sincerely looking for help. It is > not for people who have a bias against it. Given this background, it > would not be wise to get involved with this so called experiment-- > which is really a set up for your own entertainment. > > Nonetheless, I will take a look at the chart and analyze it. If I > see anything earth shaking, I will notify the group...or maybe not. > > JR >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:42 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" > > I skimmed through these threads about your friend. I take it you are > in Texas. If he hasn't been there already, I recommend MD Anderson > Cancer Center in Houston for evaluation. http://www.mdanderson.org/ > Better than roaming from one expert to another. > > Given the limited facts your presented (age, Gleason score, PSA, but > not tumor grading or PSA doubling rate) I likely would not do watchful > waiting and I would not rely on Curcumin and the like! Prostate > cancer treatment has so many options and each individual is different, > so don't take anything for advice here. (Other than what I said about > visiting a major cancer center, like MD Anderson). > > Best wishes to you and your friend. > After lots of reading and looking at my friend's doctor's website at http://www.prostatecenterofaustin.com/cancer.php , of a number of things, which I've conveyed to my friend: 1) To accept the curcumin and other things I ordered for him and start taking them while waiting for his doctor visit. To want to do anything more with the neutraceuticals is just magical thinking. I went to the various websites supplied by yifuxero. I read the testimonials there. I didn't read as many glowing reports as yifuxero did. Nothing really about cancer. Now I was able to Google some things about prostate cancer and curcumin. Curcumin does sound very promising and exciting. It may explain why Indian men don't often get prostate cancer but American men do, very frequently. It looks like curcumin should have been a part of my friend's diet, starting decades ago. But as Peter said, once the horse has left the stable, well it may be true that curcumin does slow down the growth of prostate cancer and that medical researchers are looking at how to come up with a drug based on curcumin. But neither it nor the other things recommended are magic bullets against cancer. Oncologists aren't that biased and dumb. I attract doctors around me, though none of my friends happen to be urologists or oncologists. Though weary, they really want what's best for the patient, assuming insurance will allow it. If a food like flax seed or a spice like curcumin did work, really work against cancer, oncologists would be all over it like white on rice. 2) To immediately cut out the megadoses of vitamins and minerals my friend has taken for decades. It looks like megadoses encourage the growth of advanced prostate cancer and a Gleason sore of 7 is well into the advancing stage. 2) That a Gleason score of 7 on 3 nodes (but still at stage T0, no visible or palpable sign of cancer) is defined as moderate aggressive. There is actually a risk to life at this stage, though the odds of complete recovery are very good if one opts for the robotic surgery. This is far past the time of hopeful watching with or without nutritional aids. It's time for action and the best action right now appears to be the robotic surgery. Very neat, very clean, very good at getting out the cancer but leaving as much as possible intact. Recovery won't be the neatest thing, having to have a catheter/bag for 8 days and having to do physical therapy to get control of the bladder sphincter back. But this surgery does a lot less damage than cryo, inserted radiation rods or external radiation beam. The $25,000 HiFu available outside of the US might have been an option in the hopeful watching period and there is no track record on for this treatment. 3) That my friend lucked out with getting one of the best urology clinics in Texas and getting a consult with a very thorough and trained urology surgeon. Looking over the website, I get a very good feeling that Dr. Fagin will be very easy for my friend to talk with and that he will be open minded to all options for treatment and has been down this road many times before. Dr. Fagin has started prescribing every other day Viagra (to priests as well?) during recovery because doing so has been shown to bring one's sexual ability back. I feel that going to MD Anderson in Houston or some famous cancer clinic elsewhere might be overkill, though of course I will suggest that my friend get a second opinion. Now as far as Ayurveda, well my friend went to see Mark Toomey at the Raj the same day I did. My friend had this cancer then and mentioned his high PSA to Mark. Mark did not detect it. So much for Ayurveda, which may have shortened the lives of many THMDs, THPs and members of the TMO, what with the heavy metals and the tendency of Ayurvedic preparations to fight the effects of radiation, cancer drugs and chemical altering of hormone levels (because many cancer cells thrive in estrogen or testosterone). A trip to Lourdes and tramping around the world sounds like a good idea if you've got something that can't be cured. But if it's about not wanting to go through the recovery of what is now rela
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Your friend was born under the sign of Leo according to jyotish > > rules, and the Moon is under the asterism or nakshatra of Revati. > > > > In the main chart or rashi kundali, The 7th house signifying the > > prostrate gland is under heavy malefic influence with the Sun and > > Mercury in it and aspected by Mars and Saturn (both are malefic). > > > > The subsidiary chart or navamsha kundali shows that the cancer > > growth is located at the entrance to the prostate gland. This > > area of the gland is under heavy malefic influence as well. > > > > The treatment may include surgery (due to the influence of Mars) > > and radiation treatment (due to the influence of Rahu in the > > navamsha chart). > > > > Recommendation > > > > 1. Take aggressive action to treat the cancer growth. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > John, > > While I understand that you believe in this > Jyotish stuff, and actually believe that the > information you post above is 1) valid, 2) > useful, and 3) not based on having been told > ahead of time what the medical problem was, > I am less than convinced. > > So I propose another test. Here is the birth > data for a friend who is having a medical > issue. The nature of it will remain unstated, > for obvious reasons, but suffice it to say > that it is serious enough that it has required > and still requires attention from doctors, and > has the possibility of requiring surgery. > > Born: Suffern, New York, USA > September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) > > So what is my friend's medical issue, and > what is the prognosis and best course of care, > according to Jyotish? > > Waiting with 'bated breath... > > Turq > Barry, In my dealings with you, I found that you have already a predisposed opinion about TM and the vedic sciences which is not positive to say the least. We have also noticed that no matter what the facts are or what the rationales are, you continue to disbelieve in these sciences. So, it would not be reasonable for me to get into this experiment since I already know what you are thinking and that you are going to prove it wrong whatever I say. Jyotish is also for people who are sincerely looking for help. It is not for people who have a bias against it. Given this background, it would not be wise to get involved with this so called experiment-- which is really a set up for your own entertainment. Nonetheless, I will take a look at the chart and analyze it. If I see anything earth shaking, I will notify the group...or maybe not. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" wrote: > > I have a very close friend who has just been diagnosed with prostate > cancer. 3 nodes of the biopsy have a Gleason Index of 7. Otherwise > my friend is in excellent health and recently had an Ayurvedic consult > at the Raj and was pretty much given a clean bill of health. My > friend and I are debating what to do. My friend also lives in Austin, > TX and has the best of medical insurance. He's got a consult > scheduled with a world famous Urologist who has performed 1,200 Di > Vinci robotic prostrate cancer surgeries. The odds are that my friend > will retain full functioning except for that which the prostate > provides because the robotic surgery is so targeted if he opts for > surgery. > > I am urging my friend to not pursue alternate therapies including > Ayurveda to handle the slowing growing cancer (PSA went from 4 to 12 > in 7 years). IMO Ayurveda is a nice preventative but that's about it. > It would be much better if this diagnosis were made in 2090, assuming > humankind still exists then, but the options aren't so bad in 2009. > > Would anyone care to comment about what course of action my friend > should take? Yeah, he's a long time citizen sidha and all that. > I skimmed through these threads about your friend. I take it you are in Texas. If he hasn't been there already, I recommend MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston for evaluation. http://www.mdanderson.org/ Better than roaming from one expert to another. Given the limited facts your presented (age, Gleason score, PSA, but not tumor grading or PSA doubling rate) I likely would not do watchful waiting and I would not rely on Curcumin and the like! Prostate cancer treatment has so many options and each individual is different, so don't take anything for advice here. (Other than what I said about visiting a major cancer center, like MD Anderson). Best wishes to you and your friend.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > I think this is a great idea and people's objections can be worked > into the test. If someone has a problem with Turq's credibility then > let's add some more people with medical and birth date examples. The > medical details can be emailed in advance to someone we all vote that > we trust, or better yet two people who get different names. I think > we need 4 people's charts. > > We just need someone who could be trusted not to skew the test. I am > too biased for such job but someone like Marek isn't. > > Of course the person doing the Joitish is doing the heavy lifting, but > I hope this would be interesting enough for them too. I mean even > without this being a scientifically valid test it is very interesting. > > I am biased against believing that humans know this kind of stuff. I > would love to have a few examples blow my mind in such a test. It > would certainly lead to me looking into it further. > > Even working out the protocol for such a test would be fun IMO. I volunteer. If anyone wants to see what they can spot about me they are welcome to have a go. I've never said anything about my career or health here so it will be fun to see what comes up. I've got to log off for the night but will check in tomorrow and if it looks like a go project I'll send my details to whoever. Just let me know. Lets shift a few paradigms! Or not as they case may be... > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Your friend was born under the sign of Leo according to jyotish > > > rules, and the Moon is under the asterism or nakshatra of Revati. > > > > > > In the main chart or rashi kundali, The 7th house signifying the > > > prostrate gland is under heavy malefic influence with the Sun and > > > Mercury in it and aspected by Mars and Saturn (both are malefic). > > > > > > The subsidiary chart or navamsha kundali shows that the cancer > > > growth is located at the entrance to the prostate gland. This > > > area of the gland is under heavy malefic influence as well. > > > > > > The treatment may include surgery (due to the influence of Mars) > > > and radiation treatment (due to the influence of Rahu in the > > > navamsha chart). > > > > > > Recommendation > > > > > > 1. Take aggressive action to treat the cancer growth. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > John, > > > > While I understand that you believe in this > > Jyotish stuff, and actually believe that the > > information you post above is 1) valid, 2) > > useful, and 3) not based on having been told > > ahead of time what the medical problem was, > > I am less than convinced. > > > > So I propose another test. Here is the birth > > data for a friend who is having a medical > > issue. The nature of it will remain unstated, > > for obvious reasons, but suffice it to say > > that it is serious enough that it has required > > and still requires attention from doctors, and > > has the possibility of requiring surgery. > > > > Born: Suffern, New York, USA > > September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) > > > > So what is my friend's medical issue, and > > what is the prognosis and best course of care, > > according to Jyotish? > > > > Waiting with 'bated breath... > > > > Turq > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > In the interest of fairness and accuracy, > > I have just consulted that oracle of truth > > and wisdom, The Magic Ouija Board, > > and it has verified that yes, without a doubt, > > Barry's person is real and he is NOT LYING. > > > > What more could anyone ask for? > > I would like to see a cross reference with divination by sheep > intestines (the other popular "technology" for predicting the > future) if you don't mind. I tried to verify Sal's findings using my Magic 8 Ball, but unfortunately all I got was "Reply hazy. Try again." Then again, that's a more honest prediction than the ones Lou Valentino makes. More accurate, too. :-) I honestly do think that this would be a fun, if non-conclusive test. The most fascinating thing about it, as I mentioned to the moder- ators in my email to them, is that this medical condition was actually predicted by a Jyotish practitioner a year before it appeared. Therefore, if one Jyotishi was able to see it in this person's chart, why wouldn't another one? Or maybe the first one just got lucky. That is *precisely* why this is an interesting test to me, and should be to those who wish to prove Jyotish credible. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:52 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > >> > > >> Yes, John. Let's put your Ayurveda and Jyotish to the test. > > >> This is your big chance. How about it? > > > > > > Isn't it fascinating to see exactly WHO is > > > already pre-apologizing and finding reasons > > > to NOT put Jyotish to a blind test? > > > > > > There is no trick here. The birth data is > > > accurate, the person is a real person, and > > > the medical condition is a real condition. > > > > > > JohnR will either run a chart and report his > > > findings or he won't. What the pre-apologists > > > say about it doesn't affect what he says one > > > way or another. Seems to me they're trying > > > desperately to get him not to try, because > > > they're afraid he won't do very well, and > > > that'll cast an unfavorable light on some- > > > thing that Maharishi not only believed in, > > > but sold for large sums of money. > > > > > > In other words, so far the only people who > > > have objected to this "blind test" are TBs > > > who are objecting for patently TB reasons. > > > If they really believed in the "scientific > > > validation" of the things they believed in, > > > they wouldn't be making a fuss now, would > > > they? They'd be as interested in the results > > > as I am. > > > > > > Instead, they're trying to make sure that > > > Jyotish is never put to the test. > > > > In the interest of fairness and accuracy, > > I have just consulted that oracle of truth > > and wisdom, The Magic Ouija Board, > > and it has verified that yes, without a doubt, > > Barry's person is real and he is NOT LYING. > > > > What more could anyone ask for? > > > > Sal > > >
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> > In the interest of fairness and accuracy, > I have just consulted that oracle of truth > and wisdom, The Magic Ouija Board, > and it has verified that yes, without a doubt, > Barry's person is real and he is NOT LYING. > > What more could anyone ask for? > > Sal I would like to see a cross reference with divination by sheep intestines (the other popular "technology" for predicting the future) if you don't mind. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:52 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > >> > >> Yes, John. Let's put your Ayurveda and Jyotish to the test. > >> This is your big chance. How about it? > > > > Isn't it fascinating to see exactly WHO is > > already pre-apologizing and finding reasons > > to NOT put Jyotish to a blind test? > > > > There is no trick here. The birth data is > > accurate, the person is a real person, and > > the medical condition is a real condition. > > > > JohnR will either run a chart and report his > > findings or he won't. What the pre-apologists > > say about it doesn't affect what he says one > > way or another. Seems to me they're trying > > desperately to get him not to try, because > > they're afraid he won't do very well, and > > that'll cast an unfavorable light on some- > > thing that Maharishi not only believed in, > > but sold for large sums of money. > > > > In other words, so far the only people who > > have objected to this "blind test" are TBs > > who are objecting for patently TB reasons. > > If they really believed in the "scientific > > validation" of the things they believed in, > > they wouldn't be making a fuss now, would > > they? They'd be as interested in the results > > as I am. > > > > Instead, they're trying to make sure that > > Jyotish is never put to the test. > > In the interest of fairness and accuracy, > I have just consulted that oracle of truth > and wisdom, The Magic Ouija Board, > and it has verified that yes, without a doubt, > Barry's person is real and he is NOT LYING. > > What more could anyone ask for? > > Sal >
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I think this is a great idea and people's objections can be worked into the test. If someone has a problem with Turq's credibility then let's add some more people with medical and birth date examples. The medical details can be emailed in advance to someone we all vote that we trust, or better yet two people who get different names. I think we need 4 people's charts. We just need someone who could be trusted not to skew the test. I am too biased for such job but someone like Marek isn't. Of course the person doing the Joitish is doing the heavy lifting, but I hope this would be interesting enough for them too. I mean even without this being a scientifically valid test it is very interesting. I am biased against believing that humans know this kind of stuff. I would love to have a few examples blow my mind in such a test. It would certainly lead to me looking into it further. Even working out the protocol for such a test would be fun IMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Your friend was born under the sign of Leo according to jyotish > > rules, and the Moon is under the asterism or nakshatra of Revati. > > > > In the main chart or rashi kundali, The 7th house signifying the > > prostrate gland is under heavy malefic influence with the Sun and > > Mercury in it and aspected by Mars and Saturn (both are malefic). > > > > The subsidiary chart or navamsha kundali shows that the cancer > > growth is located at the entrance to the prostate gland. This > > area of the gland is under heavy malefic influence as well. > > > > The treatment may include surgery (due to the influence of Mars) > > and radiation treatment (due to the influence of Rahu in the > > navamsha chart). > > > > Recommendation > > > > 1. Take aggressive action to treat the cancer growth. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > John, > > While I understand that you believe in this > Jyotish stuff, and actually believe that the > information you post above is 1) valid, 2) > useful, and 3) not based on having been told > ahead of time what the medical problem was, > I am less than convinced. > > So I propose another test. Here is the birth > data for a friend who is having a medical > issue. The nature of it will remain unstated, > for obvious reasons, but suffice it to say > that it is serious enough that it has required > and still requires attention from doctors, and > has the possibility of requiring surgery. > > Born: Suffern, New York, USA > September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) > > So what is my friend's medical issue, and > what is the prognosis and best course of care, > according to Jyotish? > > Waiting with 'bated breath... > > Turq >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > Instead, they're trying to make sure that > > Jyotish is never put to the test. > > Agreed. I was surprised to read so many attempts > to belittle your experiment. Not the experiment; Barry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > Yes, John. Let's put your Ayurveda and Jyotish to the test. > > This is your big chance. How about it? > > Isn't it fascinating to see exactly WHO is > already pre-apologizing and finding reasons > to NOT put Jyotish to a blind test? > > There is no trick here. The birth data is > accurate, the person is a real person, and > the medical condition is a real condition. > > JohnR will either run a chart and report his > findings or he won't. What the pre-apologists > say about it doesn't affect what he says one > way or another. Seems to me they're trying > desperately to get him not to try, because > they're afraid he won't do very well, and > that'll cast an unfavorable light on some- > thing that Maharishi not only believed in, > but sold for large sums of money. > > In other words, so far the only people who > have objected to this "blind test" are TBs > who are objecting for patently TB reasons. > If they really believed in the "scientific > validation" of the things they believed in, > they wouldn't be making a fuss now, would > they? They'd be as interested in the results > as I am. > > Instead, they're trying to make sure that > Jyotish is never put to the test. Agreed. I was surprised to read so many attempts to belittle your experiment. This sort of thing is the only way to test jyotish. I've offered to post my details here before now for a chance to see what anyone comes up with. I wouldn't lie either. It might be the most revelatory thread we've had on here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:52 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: Yes, John. Let's put your Ayurveda and Jyotish to the test. This is your big chance. How about it? Isn't it fascinating to see exactly WHO is already pre-apologizing and finding reasons to NOT put Jyotish to a blind test? There is no trick here. The birth data is accurate, the person is a real person, and the medical condition is a real condition. JohnR will either run a chart and report his findings or he won't. What the pre-apologists say about it doesn't affect what he says one way or another. Seems to me they're trying desperately to get him not to try, because they're afraid he won't do very well, and that'll cast an unfavorable light on some- thing that Maharishi not only believed in, but sold for large sums of money. In other words, so far the only people who have objected to this "blind test" are TBs who are objecting for patently TB reasons. If they really believed in the "scientific validation" of the things they believed in, they wouldn't be making a fuss now, would they? They'd be as interested in the results as I am. Instead, they're trying to make sure that Jyotish is never put to the test. In the interest of fairness and accuracy, I have just consulted that oracle of truth and wisdom, The Magic Ouija Board, and it has verified that yes, without a doubt, Barry's person is real and he is NOT LYING. What more could anyone ask for? Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > >> > > > > > How long have you been on this forum, two weeks ? > > > > > > IIRC, almost a year. > > > > > > > To trust The Turq to tell you anything with as much as a little > core > > of > truth is indeed "looney". > > > > > > I've been familiar with Barry Wright [Turquoise, Uncle Tantra] and > > what he writes for more than 10 years, Mr Nablusoss. What he asked > for > > in his post to John is totally reasonable. > > Since you swallow every word, hook and sinkers The Turq writes I > understand that you have not being paying attention. > > No person on this forum has been caught with his pants on his ancles > as often as your hero. Not one. > > He has been caught as a liar again and again for years, and you have > not noticed ? Are you blind ? > > He lies, that's what he does on a daily basis here on FFL, it's his > hobby; he enjoy's it. Somehow it gives him some sort of satisfaction. > This is his life and activity, hour upon hour, every day, 7 days a > week on this forum, 50 posts every week all through the year ! > I doubt he does anything else than posting here, perhaps he walks a > dog or two and takes a drink at a bar. But working ? I think not, the > internet is his passion and life. > > May I ask if you actually know the name of the person Turq is > refferring to ? > Did i hear you say "no" ? Of course you did because you have no idea > if the person The Turq reffers to ever excisted. Whatever credibility Barry may or may not have, Mr Nablusoss, in my eyes -you- have less. In my view, you're little more than a clueless, nasty little man who's a sycophantic parrot for the TMO party line.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > To trust The Turq to tell you anything with > > > as much as a little core of truth is indeed > > > "looney". > > > > I've been familiar with Barry Wright [Turquoise, > > Uncle Tantra] and what he writes for more than > > 10 years, Mr Nablusoss. What he asked for > > in his post to John is totally reasonable. > > Straw man; nobody said it wasn't. In the abstract, > there's nothing wrong with it. > > But if you've learned *anything* about Barry from > the 10 years you've been reading his posts, it's > that he has absolutely no inhibitions about lying > when he perceives it to be to his advantage to do > so. (Goodness knows, he's lied about you plenty of > times.) > > There's no reason to think he's telling the truth > about having a friend with the birth data he > supplied who has a particular medical condition. > Since he wants to "disprove" Jyotish, it would be > the easiest thing in the world for him to make up > the friend and/or the data and/or the condition and > then declare whatever John came up with to be > wrong. There's no way for us to check the facts. > > If Barry wanted to disprove something *you* > believed in, you'd be rightly skeptical about any > "test" he came up with. The only reason you're so > enthusiastic about this one is that you want to > disprove Jyotish yourself. Barry says: "So what is my friend's medical issue, and what is the prognosis and best course of care, according to Jyotish? Waiting with 'bated breath..." The operative word is BATE. Get it? Barry isn't interested in what John has to say, he's only interested in John taking the BAIT so he can prove him WRONG and denounce Jyotish. So why not lie as well? L.Shaddai, There's plenty of magical thinking on FF Life and it has its place in the world of all things beautiful and spiritual but cancer is far too ugly and impatient for such refined consideration. Stick to the advice of an oncologist. I wish your friend well in his choice of treatment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > If Barry wanted to disprove something *you* > believed in, you'd be rightly skeptical about any > "test" he came up with. The only reason you're so > enthusiastic about this one is that you want to > disprove Jyotish yourself. I was not aware of this, somehow I thought do.reflex was a proper fellow. To have Judy on this forum is often a relief.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > Yes, John. Let's put your Ayurveda and Jyotish to the test. > This is your big chance. How about it? Isn't it fascinating to see exactly WHO is already pre-apologizing and finding reasons to NOT put Jyotish to a blind test? There is no trick here. The birth data is accurate, the person is a real person, and the medical condition is a real condition. JohnR will either run a chart and report his findings or he won't. What the pre-apologists say about it doesn't affect what he says one way or another. Seems to me they're trying desperately to get him not to try, because they're afraid he won't do very well, and that'll cast an unfavorable light on some- thing that Maharishi not only believed in, but sold for large sums of money. In other words, so far the only people who have objected to this "blind test" are TBs who are objecting for patently TB reasons. If they really believed in the "scientific validation" of the things they believed in, they wouldn't be making a fuss now, would they? They'd be as interested in the results as I am. Instead, they're trying to make sure that Jyotish is never put to the test.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: >> > > > How long have you been on this forum, two weeks ? > > > IIRC, almost a year. > > > > To trust The Turq to tell you anything with as much as a little core > of > truth is indeed "looney". > > > I've been familiar with Barry Wright [Turquoise, Uncle Tantra] and > what he writes for more than 10 years, Mr Nablusoss. What he asked for > in his post to John is totally reasonable. Since you swallow every word, hook and sinkers The Turq writes I understand that you have not being paying attention. No person on this forum has been caught with his pants on his ancles as often as your hero. Not one. He has been caught as a liar again and again for years, and you have not noticed ? Are you blind ? He lies, that's what he does on a daily basis here on FFL, it's his hobby; he enjoy's it. Somehow it gives him some sort of satisfaction. This is his life and activity, hour upon hour, every day, 7 days a week on this forum, 50 posts every week all through the year ! I doubt he does anything else than posting here, perhaps he walks a dog or two and takes a drink at a bar. But working ? I think not, the internet is his passion and life. May I ask if you actually know the name of the person Turq is refferring to ? Did i hear you say "no" ? Of course you did because you have no idea if the person The Turq reffers to ever excisted. You have been lied to again.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > Yes, do.rflex your trust in your fellow men is heartening ! > > For why on earth do you know that this person The Turq is > > refferring to is a real person ? > > It's a very real person, and a very real medical > issue, and I am concerned about both. If John gets > the condition correctly and has what seems to be > useful information to pass along, I shall write > to my friend and pass it along. Why should anybody here trust you when you routinely lie like a rug?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > To trust The Turq to tell you anything with > > as much as a little core of truth is indeed > > "looney". > > I've been familiar with Barry Wright [Turquoise, > Uncle Tantra] and what he writes for more than > 10 years, Mr Nablusoss. What he asked for > in his post to John is totally reasonable. Straw man; nobody said it wasn't. In the abstract, there's nothing wrong with it. But if you've learned *anything* about Barry from the 10 years you've been reading his posts, it's that he has absolutely no inhibitions about lying when he perceives it to be to his advantage to do so. (Goodness knows, he's lied about you plenty of times.) There's no reason to think he's telling the truth about having a friend with the birth data he supplied who has a particular medical condition. Since he wants to "disprove" Jyotish, it would be the easiest thing in the world for him to make up the friend and/or the data and/or the condition and then declare whatever John came up with to be wrong. There's no way for us to check the facts. If Barry wanted to disprove something *you* believed in, you'd be rightly skeptical about any "test" he came up with. The only reason you're so enthusiastic about this one is that you want to disprove Jyotish yourself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > John, > > > > > > While I understand that you believe in this > > > Jyotish stuff, and actually believe that the > > > information you post above is 1) valid, 2) > > > useful, and 3) not based on having been told > > > ahead of time what the medical problem was, > > > I am less than convinced. > > > > > > So I propose another test. Here is the birth > > > data for a friend who is having a medical > > > issue. The nature of it will remain unstated, > > > for obvious reasons, but suffice it to say > > > that it is serious enough that it has required > > > and still requires attention from doctors, and > > > has the possibility of requiring surgery. > > > > > > Born: Suffern, New York, USA > > > September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) > > > > > > So what is my friend's medical issue, and > > > what is the prognosis and best course of care, > > > according to Jyotish? > > > > > > Waiting with 'bated breath... > > > > > > Turq > > > > Yes, John. Let's put your Ayurveda and Jyotish to the test. > > This is your big chance. How about it? > > Yes, do.rflex your trust in your fellow men is heartening ! > For why on earth do you know that this person The Turq is > refferring to is a real person ? It's a very real person, and a very real medical issue, and I am concerned about both. If John gets the condition correctly and has what seems to be useful information to pass along, I shall write to my friend and pass it along.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > Yes, John. Let's put your Ayurveda and Jyotish to the test. This is > > > > your big chance. How about it? > > > > > > Yes, do.rflex your trust in your fellow men is heartening ! For why > > > on earth do you know that this person The Turq is refferring to is > a > > > real person ? > > > > > > Looney Tunes. > > Agreed. I was referring to you. I could elaborate but you're apparently incapable of self-reflection. > How long have you been on this forum, two weeks ? IIRC, almost a year. > To trust The Turq to tell you anything with as much as a little core of > truth is indeed "looney". I've been familiar with Barry Wright [Turquoise, Uncle Tantra] and what he writes for more than 10 years, Mr Nablusoss. What he asked for in his post to John is totally reasonable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > Yes, John. Let's put your Ayurveda and Jyotish to the test. This is > > > your big chance. How about it? > > > > Yes, do.rflex your trust in your fellow men is heartening ! For why > > on earth do you know that this person The Turq is refferring to is a > > real person ? > > > Looney Tunes. Agreed. How long have you been on this forum, two weeks ? To trust The Turq to tell you anything with as much as a little core of truth is indeed "looney".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Your friend was born under the sign of Leo according to jyotish > > > > rules, and the Moon is under the asterism or nakshatra of > Revati. > > > > > > > > In the main chart or rashi kundali, The 7th house signifying > the > > > > prostrate gland is under heavy malefic influence with the Sun > and > > > > Mercury in it and aspected by Mars and Saturn (both are > malefic). > > > > > > > > The subsidiary chart or navamsha kundali shows that the cancer > > > > growth is located at the entrance to the prostate gland. This > > > > area of the gland is under heavy malefic influence as well. > > > > > > > > The treatment may include surgery (due to the influence of > Mars) > > > > and radiation treatment (due to the influence of Rahu in the > > > > navamsha chart). > > > > > > > > Recommendation > > > > > > > > 1. Take aggressive action to treat the cancer growth. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > John, > > > > > > While I understand that you believe in this > > > Jyotish stuff, and actually believe that the > > > information you post above is 1) valid, 2) > > > useful, and 3) not based on having been told > > > ahead of time what the medical problem was, > > > I am less than convinced. > > > > > > So I propose another test. Here is the birth > > > data for a friend who is having a medical > > > issue. The nature of it will remain unstated, > > > for obvious reasons, but suffice it to say > > > that it is serious enough that it has required > > > and still requires attention from doctors, and > > > has the possibility of requiring surgery. > > > > > > Born: Suffern, New York, USA > > > September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) > > > > > > So what is my friend's medical issue, and > > > what is the prognosis and best course of care, > > > according to Jyotish? > > > > > > Waiting with 'bated breath... > > > > > > Turq > > > > > > > > Yes, John. Let's put your Ayurveda and Jyotish to the test. This is > > your big chance. How about it? > > Yes, do.rflex your trust in your fellow men is heartening ! For why > on earth do you know that this person The Turq is refferring to is a > real person ? Looney Tunes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
On Dec 29, 2008, at 11:57 PM, Peter wrote: Why all this resistance to surgery? Flax seeds? Give me a break. Once the horse has left the barn any nutritional approach is a tad late! Again, why all this resistance to standard medical procedures? Raised on magical thinking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Your friend was born under the sign of Leo according to jyotish > > > rules, and the Moon is under the asterism or nakshatra of Revati. > > > > > > In the main chart or rashi kundali, The 7th house signifying the > > > prostrate gland is under heavy malefic influence with the Sun and > > > Mercury in it and aspected by Mars and Saturn (both are malefic). > > > > > > The subsidiary chart or navamsha kundali shows that the cancer > > > growth is located at the entrance to the prostate gland. This > > > area of the gland is under heavy malefic influence as well. > > > > > > The treatment may include surgery (due to the influence of Mars) > > > and radiation treatment (due to the influence of Rahu in the > > > navamsha chart). > > > > > > Recommendation > > > > > > 1. Take aggressive action to treat the cancer growth. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > John, > > > > While I understand that you believe in this > > Jyotish stuff, and actually believe that the > > information you post above is 1) valid, 2) > > useful, and 3) not based on having been told > > ahead of time what the medical problem was, > > I am less than convinced. > > > > So I propose another test. Here is the birth > > data for a friend who is having a medical > > issue. The nature of it will remain unstated, > > for obvious reasons, but suffice it to say > > that it is serious enough that it has required > > and still requires attention from doctors, and > > has the possibility of requiring surgery. > > > > Born: Suffern, New York, USA > > September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) > > > > So what is my friend's medical issue, and > > what is the prognosis and best course of care, > > according to Jyotish? > > > > Waiting with 'bated breath... > > > > Turq > > > > Yes, John. Let's put your Ayurveda and Jyotish to the test. This is > your big chance. How about it? Yes, do.rflex your trust in your fellow men is heartening ! For why on earth do you know that this person The Turq is refferring to is a real person ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Your friend was born under the sign of Leo according to jyotish > > rules, and the Moon is under the asterism or nakshatra of Revati. > > > > In the main chart or rashi kundali, The 7th house signifying the > > prostrate gland is under heavy malefic influence with the Sun and > > Mercury in it and aspected by Mars and Saturn (both are malefic). > > > > The subsidiary chart or navamsha kundali shows that the cancer > > growth is located at the entrance to the prostate gland. This > > area of the gland is under heavy malefic influence as well. > > > > The treatment may include surgery (due to the influence of Mars) > > and radiation treatment (due to the influence of Rahu in the > > navamsha chart). > > > > Recommendation > > > > 1. Take aggressive action to treat the cancer growth. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > John, > > While I understand that you believe in this > Jyotish stuff, and actually believe that the > information you post above is 1) valid, 2) > useful, and 3) not based on having been told > ahead of time what the medical problem was, > I am less than convinced. > > So I propose another test. Here is the birth > data for a friend who is having a medical > issue. The nature of it will remain unstated, > for obvious reasons, but suffice it to say > that it is serious enough that it has required > and still requires attention from doctors, and > has the possibility of requiring surgery. > > Born: Suffern, New York, USA > September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) > > So what is my friend's medical issue, and > what is the prognosis and best course of care, > according to Jyotish? > > Waiting with 'bated breath... > > Turq Yes, John. Let's put your Ayurveda and Jyotish to the test. This is your big chance. How about it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > Namaste, > > Your friend was born under the sign of Leo according to jyotish > rules, and the Moon is under the asterism or nakshatra of Revati. > > In the main chart or rashi kundali, The 7th house signifying the > prostrate gland is under heavy malefic influence with the Sun and > Mercury in it and aspected by Mars and Saturn (both are malefic). > > The subsidiary chart or navamsha kundali shows that the cancer > growth is located at the entrance to the prostate gland. This > area of the gland is under heavy malefic influence as well. > > The treatment may include surgery (due to the influence of Mars) > and radiation treatment (due to the influence of Rahu in the > navamsha chart). > > Recommendation > > 1. Take aggressive action to treat the cancer growth. > > Regards, > > John R. John, While I understand that you believe in this Jyotish stuff, and actually believe that the information you post above is 1) valid, 2) useful, and 3) not based on having been told ahead of time what the medical problem was, I am less than convinced. So I propose another test. Here is the birth data for a friend who is having a medical issue. The nature of it will remain unstated, for obvious reasons, but suffice it to say that it is serious enough that it has required and still requires attention from doctors, and has the possibility of requiring surgery. Born: Suffern, New York, USA September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) So what is my friend's medical issue, and what is the prognosis and best course of care, according to Jyotish? Waiting with 'bated breath... Turq
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
Namaste, Your friend was born under the sign of Leo according to jyotish rules, and the Moon is under the asterism or nakshatra of Revati. In the main chart or rashi kundali, The 7th house signifying the prostrate gland is under heavy malefic influence with the Sun and Mercury in it and aspected by Mars and Saturn (both are malefic). The subsidiary chart or navamsha kundali shows that the cancer growth is located at the entrance to the prostate gland. This area of the gland is under heavy malefic influence as well. The treatment may include surgery (due to the influence of Mars) and radiation treatment (due to the influence of Rahu in the navamsha chart). Recommendation 1. Take aggressive action to treat the cancer growth. Regards, John R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" wrote: > > He was born in St. Peter's Hospital, New Brunswick, Middlesex County, > New Jersey, United States of America on February 14, 1948 at 6:20 PM., > EST. > > My friend has an email in to Mark Toomey at the Raj where he had his > consult in August. He's looking around for an oncologist who > specializes in prostate cancer, not a surgeon. Surgeons get a result > back from the biopsy that there's cancer and of course want to show > off their spiffy new surgical robot. My friend has surfed the web and > learned that often an oncologist will recommend against surgery > because prostate cancer is so slow growing and often the form the > cancer cells have taken don't indicate surgery. Of course my friend > doesn't want to go into denial. If he needs surgery or radiation > therapy or both he'll go for it. > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:33 PM, John wrote: > > Can you post his birth data, including time, date, city and country > > of birth? I'll check his birth horoscope and let you know what I > > find. > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" > > wrote: > >> > >> I have a very close friend who has just been diagnosed with prostate > >> cancer. 3 nodes of the biopsy have a Gleason Index of 7. Otherwise > >> my friend is in excellent health and recently had an Ayurvedic > > consult > >> at the Raj and was pretty much given a clean bill of health. My > >> friend and I are debating what to do. My friend also lives in > > Austin, > >> TX and has the best of medical insurance. He's got a consult > >> scheduled with a world famous Urologist who has performed 1,200 Di > >> Vinci robotic prostrate cancer surgeries. The odds are that my > > friend > >> will retain full functioning except for that which the prostate > >> provides because the robotic surgery is so targeted if he opts for > >> surgery. > >> > >> I am urging my friend to not pursue alternate therapies including > >> Ayurveda to handle the slowing growing cancer (PSA went from 4 to 12 > >> in 7 years). IMO Ayurveda is a nice preventative but that's about > > it. > >> It would be much better if this diagnosis were made in 2090, > > assuming > >> humankind still exists then, but the options aren't so bad in 2009. > >> > >> Would anyone care to comment about what course of action my friend > >> should take? Yeah, he's a long time citizen sidha and all that. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > Why all this resistance to surgery? Flax seeds? Give me a break. Once the horse has left the barn any nutritional approach is a tad late! Again, why all this resistance to standard medical procedures? > > I'm not suggesting conventional or non conventional but would like to share my brother's experience. His PSA was high for many years, 24, normal is around 2. He kept telling me for years that the majority of people with high PSA don't need surgery, that even with cancer, the progression is slow for most men and means nothing. One day he calls me and said that the doctor insisted on a biopsy and they found that the prostate was cancerous and was on the verge of metastasizing, cancer cells passing beyond the walls of the prostate into the blood stream. IOW, he caught it just in time. He found a guy in Southern California who had performed thousands of robotic procedures just as you described and had it done. His surgery was successful. His life was saved. Robotics according to him, is the way to go. It can decrease the side effect of loosing ability to control urination. This sometimes happens after prostate surgery. You're supposed to exercise this muscle after surgery. My brother is now in great shape and is happy he did it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
---Simple! Whatever works and creates the fewest side effects in the
process. Your statement below is nonsensical. ("...nutritional
approach is a tad late")...and you know this through experience, or
speculation? And why wouldn't the following statement likewise be
true: "Once the horse has left the barn any chemo & radiation
approach is a tad late!".
Ultimately, both are late since death and taxes are inevitable but
the downside of radiation and chemo includes (often) a temporary
remission with a gradual decline into a spiral of more cancer (since
the radiation is often a cause of more cancer down the road).
Surgery should be avoided whenever possible.
This discussion has nothing whatsoever do do with "standard" medical
procedures. It's a question of EFFECTIVE medical procedures.
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote:
>
> Why all this resistance to surgery? Flax seeds? Give me a break.
Once the horse has left the barn any nutritional approach is a tad
late! Again, why all this resistance to standard medical procedures?
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, yifuxero wrote:
>
> > From: yifuxero
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:27 PM
> > --Bill Faloon - great dude!, fine humanitarian and a
> > "Saint" in the
> > relative sense. He knows what he's talking about.
> > I've been a fan of
> > his for many years. But he could get into hot water giving
> > specific
> > advice on supplements (although he's an expert in the
> > PSA tests).
> >
> >
> > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the
> > eternal"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:44 PM, yifuxero
> > wrote:
> > > > --Life Extension (me too). Fine, then start with
> > BCM-95 (enhanced
> > > > bioavailable curcumin from LEF; along with lots
> > of IP-6 and
> > modified
> > > > citrus pectin (MCF).
> > > > Then also take the FLAX HULL LIGNANS from
> > Goldflaxseed.
> > > > The BCM-95 will stop the progression of the
> > disease in its tracks,
> > > > along with the other items.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, this all reads very good. But I don't want
> > to be practicing
> > > medicine without a license and on top of that urging
> > my friend to go
> > > AMA (against medical advice). How to get him periodic
> > PSAs? If
> > your
> > > advice is so good (and I've read some of the
> > testimonials) then my
> > > friend's PSA should start dropping in a matter of
> > weeks (the
> > prostate
> > > has next to no blood circulation). The problem is
> > having someone
> > take
> > > and monitor the PSA so my friend can decide to
> > continue AMA or go
> > back
> > > to the surgeon and make a date with the DeVinci robot.
> > I used to
> > have
> > > a good rapport with Bill Faloon at LEF. Maybe he can
> > give me some
> > > advice to give my friend on how to stay within the
> > medical
> > > establishment somewhat while staying AMA.
> > >
> > > On behalf of my buddy, I thank all so far.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To subscribe, send a message to:
> > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Or go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
Why all this resistance to surgery? Flax seeds? Give me a break. Once the horse has left the barn any nutritional approach is a tad late! Again, why all this resistance to standard medical procedures? --- On Mon, 12/29/08, yifuxero wrote: > From: yifuxero > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:27 PM > --Bill Faloon - great dude!, fine humanitarian and a > "Saint" in the > relative sense. He knows what he's talking about. > I've been a fan of > his for many years. But he could get into hot water giving > specific > advice on supplements (although he's an expert in the > PSA tests). > > > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the > eternal" > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:44 PM, yifuxero > wrote: > > > --Life Extension (me too). Fine, then start with > BCM-95 (enhanced > > > bioavailable curcumin from LEF; along with lots > of IP-6 and > modified > > > citrus pectin (MCF). > > > Then also take the FLAX HULL LIGNANS from > Goldflaxseed. > > > The BCM-95 will stop the progression of the > disease in its tracks, > > > along with the other items. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this all reads very good. But I don't want > to be practicing > > medicine without a license and on top of that urging > my friend to go > > AMA (against medical advice). How to get him periodic > PSAs? If > your > > advice is so good (and I've read some of the > testimonials) then my > > friend's PSA should start dropping in a matter of > weeks (the > prostate > > has next to no blood circulation). The problem is > having someone > take > > and monitor the PSA so my friend can decide to > continue AMA or go > back > > to the surgeon and make a date with the DeVinci robot. > I used to > have > > a good rapport with Bill Faloon at LEF. Maybe he can > give me some > > advice to give my friend on how to stay within the > medical > > establishment somewhat while staying AMA. > > > > On behalf of my buddy, I thank all so far. > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do => alternative to surgery
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:30 PM, amarnath wrote: > how about Cryotherapy; my friend had that instead of surgery > this is a medical procedure done at conventional hospitals > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prostate-cancer-cryotherapy/PC00022 > > good luck, > anatol My friend and I had looked into cryotherapy. It'll probably be offered by the surgeon. The problem with it is of course the prostate isn't all that big. This is effectively killing the prostate and potentially surrounding tissue and nerves. The Da Vinci robot looks to be about the neatest of treatments but the problem with all of these physical therapies is that it's just so easy to cut a bit too much out. A sexually active man does need the little donut, even to father children. But he definitely needs the nerves near the prostate. That's why a chemical approach (but not chemical castration, which is another therapy) is preferred. I'm going to urge my bud to go with neutraceuticals for a couple of months, getting his PSA checked each month. If my friend's PSA increases, time to call it quits. If it stays the same or even better decreases, then I'll let my friend decide when to go back to the Urologist for another biopsy. I thank you and I'm sure my bud thanks you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:27 PM, yifuxero wrote: > --Bill Faloon - great dude!, fine humanitarian and a "Saint" in the > relative sense. He knows what he's talking about. I've been a fan of > his for many years. But he could get into hot water giving specific > advice on supplements (although he's an expert in the PSA tests). > Bingo! Home PSA test for $45.00 http://www.homehealthtesting.com/prostate-cancer-tests.htm or if you want to really blow your wad, LEF offers a male panel with everything including the kitchen sink for around $300. So this is looking good. I'll call up LEF tomorrow and get the rundown on the latest for prostate cancer and place an order for my buddy. Now I'm not all that hot on resveratrol. If you visit the Immortality Institute fora than you've probably seen my posts there (under another pseudonym) expressing doubts about resveratrol. Heck, Sinclair (if I got the researcher's name right) is going out of his way to obfuscate the whole area of resveratrol for human consumption, starting with the misinformation he spread about resveratrol being very unstable when in fact it's a pretty stable substance if kept away from blinding light. No one can quite agree on how to take the stuff and how much to take the stuff. I hope to have my buddy on neutroceuticals and have him take a nice package to see Dr. Fagin to counter the package of DVDs Dr. Fagin's office sent him showing the recording of an actual prostrate removal aided by the De Vinci robot. My friend and I are both of the Douglas MacArthur Drag Them By the Balls and Their Hearts and Minds Will Follow approach to bargaining. Since this is a slowly developing cancer, the surgeon can't but give my friend a few months to try out an alternative to surgery. He's free, white and 21. It's not like the surgeon can have him arrested and dragged to surgery in irons. Thanks a bunch to those who have posted here and also to those who have emailed me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do => alternative to surgery
how about Cryotherapy; my friend had that instead of surgery this is a medical procedure done at conventional hospitals http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prostate-cancer-cryotherapy/PC00022 good luck, anatol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" wrote: > > Do you read your Yahoo email? Since I'm the guy with all the science > (and a med school background), I'm running interference for my friend > on this right now. > > Money is not an issue here. The issue that I can see is precisely > what my friend does once he gets tossed out on his ear by the > urologist for choosing to go AMA. I'm a member of Life Extension > Foundation. I'm going to send an email to them to see if they know of > any doctors in Austin who'd be wiling to help with this. My friend > will really need a way to see if the alternate therapies are working. > That means he'd need a doctor to periodically test his PSA, as PSA > appears in this case to be a reliable indicator of the progression of > my friend's prostate cancer. If, with alternate therapy, the PSA > continues to rise, at some point he'd have to call off the alternate > treatment, go for another biopsy and the surgery. Any thoughts on how > to handle this? > > I am familiar with the curcumin and resveratrol. I also know that for > about 3 years my friend was taking LDN. It's entirely possible that > my friend's PSA took 7 years to go from 4 to 12 and not a higher > reading because of the LDN. But I'd advise my friend that if he can't > almost immediately get his PSA down to perhaps 10, he's got to bite > the bullet and have the surgery. If he can get his PSA down below 10 > and keep it there, well, he can buy sufficient time for truly > targetted anti-prostate cancer treatments to be developed and have the > cancer killed with a "magic bullet". Of course if the alternate > treatment keeps getting his PSA down, so much the better. > > Now to get someone to measure his PSA. There's always the south of > the Rio Grande route but that's a little scary. Perhaps LEF offers > PSA testing. > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:36 PM, yifuxero wrote: > > ---assuming the C is in the slowly progressing type; he should avoid > > surgery at this time even though that may seem to be the quickest fix. > > Naturally, the urologist will counter my suggestions but again, take > > the ALTERNATIVE route.: (disclaimer - I don't market supplements or > > have any connection to the companies listed, other than being a > > customer): > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--Bill Faloon - great dude!, fine humanitarian and a "Saint" in the relative sense. He knows what he's talking about. I've been a fan of his for many years. But he could get into hot water giving specific advice on supplements (although he's an expert in the PSA tests). - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:44 PM, yifuxero wrote: > > --Life Extension (me too). Fine, then start with BCM-95 (enhanced > > bioavailable curcumin from LEF; along with lots of IP-6 and modified > > citrus pectin (MCF). > > Then also take the FLAX HULL LIGNANS from Goldflaxseed. > > The BCM-95 will stop the progression of the disease in its tracks, > > along with the other items. > > > > > > > > Well, this all reads very good. But I don't want to be practicing > medicine without a license and on top of that urging my friend to go > AMA (against medical advice). How to get him periodic PSAs? If your > advice is so good (and I've read some of the testimonials) then my > friend's PSA should start dropping in a matter of weeks (the prostate > has next to no blood circulation). The problem is having someone take > and monitor the PSA so my friend can decide to continue AMA or go back > to the surgeon and make a date with the DeVinci robot. I used to have > a good rapport with Bill Faloon at LEF. Maybe he can give me some > advice to give my friend on how to stay within the medical > establishment somewhat while staying AMA. > > On behalf of my buddy, I thank all so far. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:44 PM, yifuxero wrote: > --Life Extension (me too). Fine, then start with BCM-95 (enhanced > bioavailable curcumin from LEF; along with lots of IP-6 and modified > citrus pectin (MCF). > Then also take the FLAX HULL LIGNANS from Goldflaxseed. > The BCM-95 will stop the progression of the disease in its tracks, > along with the other items. > > > Well, this all reads very good. But I don't want to be practicing medicine without a license and on top of that urging my friend to go AMA (against medical advice). How to get him periodic PSAs? If your advice is so good (and I've read some of the testimonials) then my friend's PSA should start dropping in a matter of weeks (the prostate has next to no blood circulation). The problem is having someone take and monitor the PSA so my friend can decide to continue AMA or go back to the surgeon and make a date with the DeVinci robot. I used to have a good rapport with Bill Faloon at LEF. Maybe he can give me some advice to give my friend on how to stay within the medical establishment somewhat while staying AMA. On behalf of my buddy, I thank all so far.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--Life Extension (me too). Fine, then start with BCM-95 (enhanced bioavailable curcumin from LEF; along with lots of IP-6 and modified citrus pectin (MCF). Then also take the FLAX HULL LIGNANS from Goldflaxseed. The BCM-95 will stop the progression of the disease in its tracks, along with the other items. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" wrote: > > Do you read your Yahoo email? Since I'm the guy with all the science > (and a med school background), I'm running interference for my friend > on this right now. > > Money is not an issue here. The issue that I can see is precisely > what my friend does once he gets tossed out on his ear by the > urologist for choosing to go AMA. I'm a member of Life Extension > Foundation. I'm going to send an email to them to see if they know of > any doctors in Austin who'd be wiling to help with this. My friend > will really need a way to see if the alternate therapies are working. > That means he'd need a doctor to periodically test his PSA, as PSA > appears in this case to be a reliable indicator of the progression of > my friend's prostate cancer. If, with alternate therapy, the PSA > continues to rise, at some point he'd have to call off the alternate > treatment, go for another biopsy and the surgery. Any thoughts on how > to handle this? > > I am familiar with the curcumin and resveratrol. I also know that for > about 3 years my friend was taking LDN. It's entirely possible that > my friend's PSA took 7 years to go from 4 to 12 and not a higher > reading because of the LDN. But I'd advise my friend that if he can't > almost immediately get his PSA down to perhaps 10, he's got to bite > the bullet and have the surgery. If he can get his PSA down below 10 > and keep it there, well, he can buy sufficient time for truly > targetted anti-prostate cancer treatments to be developed and have the > cancer killed with a "magic bullet". Of course if the alternate > treatment keeps getting his PSA down, so much the better. > > Now to get someone to measure his PSA. There's always the south of > the Rio Grande route but that's a little scary. Perhaps LEF offers > PSA testing. > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:36 PM, yifuxero wrote: > > ---assuming the C is in the slowly progressing type; he should avoid > > surgery at this time even though that may seem to be the quickest fix. > > Naturally, the urologist will counter my suggestions but again, take > > the ALTERNATIVE route.: (disclaimer - I don't market supplements or > > have any connection to the companies listed, other than being a > > customer): > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
Do you read your Yahoo email? Since I'm the guy with all the science (and a med school background), I'm running interference for my friend on this right now. Money is not an issue here. The issue that I can see is precisely what my friend does once he gets tossed out on his ear by the urologist for choosing to go AMA. I'm a member of Life Extension Foundation. I'm going to send an email to them to see if they know of any doctors in Austin who'd be wiling to help with this. My friend will really need a way to see if the alternate therapies are working. That means he'd need a doctor to periodically test his PSA, as PSA appears in this case to be a reliable indicator of the progression of my friend's prostate cancer. If, with alternate therapy, the PSA continues to rise, at some point he'd have to call off the alternate treatment, go for another biopsy and the surgery. Any thoughts on how to handle this? I am familiar with the curcumin and resveratrol. I also know that for about 3 years my friend was taking LDN. It's entirely possible that my friend's PSA took 7 years to go from 4 to 12 and not a higher reading because of the LDN. But I'd advise my friend that if he can't almost immediately get his PSA down to perhaps 10, he's got to bite the bullet and have the surgery. If he can get his PSA down below 10 and keep it there, well, he can buy sufficient time for truly targetted anti-prostate cancer treatments to be developed and have the cancer killed with a "magic bullet". Of course if the alternate treatment keeps getting his PSA down, so much the better. Now to get someone to measure his PSA. There's always the south of the Rio Grande route but that's a little scary. Perhaps LEF offers PSA testing. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:36 PM, yifuxero wrote: > ---assuming the C is in the slowly progressing type; he should avoid > surgery at this time even though that may seem to be the quickest fix. > Naturally, the urologist will counter my suggestions but again, take > the ALTERNATIVE route.: (disclaimer - I don't market supplements or > have any connection to the companies listed, other than being a > customer): >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" wrote: > > He was born in St. Peter's Hospital, New Brunswick, > Middlesex County, New Jersey, United States of > America on February 14, 1948 at 6:20 PM., EST. Absolutely zero relevance to your friend's situation, but that's the hospital I was born in, six years earlier, also in February. Wishing him the best, whatever he decides to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
He was born in St. Peter's Hospital, New Brunswick, Middlesex County, New Jersey, United States of America on February 14, 1948 at 6:20 PM., EST. My friend has an email in to Mark Toomey at the Raj where he had his consult in August. He's looking around for an oncologist who specializes in prostate cancer, not a surgeon. Surgeons get a result back from the biopsy that there's cancer and of course want to show off their spiffy new surgical robot. My friend has surfed the web and learned that often an oncologist will recommend against surgery because prostate cancer is so slow growing and often the form the cancer cells have taken don't indicate surgery. Of course my friend doesn't want to go into denial. If he needs surgery or radiation therapy or both he'll go for it. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:33 PM, John wrote: > Can you post his birth data, including time, date, city and country > of birth? I'll check his birth horoscope and let you know what I > find. > > JR > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" > wrote: >> >> I have a very close friend who has just been diagnosed with prostate >> cancer. 3 nodes of the biopsy have a Gleason Index of 7. Otherwise >> my friend is in excellent health and recently had an Ayurvedic > consult >> at the Raj and was pretty much given a clean bill of health. My >> friend and I are debating what to do. My friend also lives in > Austin, >> TX and has the best of medical insurance. He's got a consult >> scheduled with a world famous Urologist who has performed 1,200 Di >> Vinci robotic prostrate cancer surgeries. The odds are that my > friend >> will retain full functioning except for that which the prostate >> provides because the robotic surgery is so targeted if he opts for >> surgery. >> >> I am urging my friend to not pursue alternate therapies including >> Ayurveda to handle the slowing growing cancer (PSA went from 4 to 12 >> in 7 years). IMO Ayurveda is a nice preventative but that's about > it. >> It would be much better if this diagnosis were made in 2090, > assuming >> humankind still exists then, but the options aren't so bad in 2009. >> >> Would anyone care to comment about what course of action my friend >> should take? Yeah, he's a long time citizen sidha and all that. >> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
---assuming the C is in the slowly progressing type; he should avoid surgery at this time even though that may seem to be the quickest fix. Naturally, the urologist will counter my suggestions but again, take the ALTERNATIVE route.: (disclaimer - I don't market supplements or have any connection to the companies listed, other than being a customer): 1. Flax hull lignans (flax seeds are ok but this is FLAX HULL LIGNANS. Access the Goldflaxseed.com website and check out the testimonials, especially for cancer. 2. Laminaria Japonica - (brown seaweed harvested from the Kuril Islands). The parent Co. is http://www.modifilan.com or something like that. Again, they have numerous anti-cancer testimonials but they recommend the distributor http://www.poseidonsharvest.com 3. Lauricidin - available from Lauricidin.com (once more, check out the testimonials). 4. Nano-Curcumin (a highly bioavailable type of curcumin many times more effective than ordinary curcumin). Available from http://www.life-enhancement.com (numerous articles ont their website). 5. Nano-resveratrol (same company - highly bioavailable type of resveratrol). #4 and #5 will set one back in the $ department. One could always go with "ordinary' curcumin but if one can afford it, the "nano" type is the most advanced anti-cancer substance known to mankind (along with nano-resveratrol) that doesn't also kill normal cells. Due to the high cost of #4 and #5, use very sparingly, say only 1 drop alternating, every 2 hours or so. The regularity is far more important than the amount. So it's a trade-off. Have surgery and suffer from the side-effects for the rest of his life. OR - go the alternative route and spend some $ since no insurance co. will pay for the items. Feel free to have him contact me if he's considering the alternative route; but he's going the other route, "good luck". All I can say is, big mistake. Here's an e mail from the Modifilan Co: Your best option to order Modifilan in retail will be to contact the following source: Company name:Poseidon's HarvestToll-free phone: 800-790-8867Web site: http://www.poseidonsharvest.com/E-mail: sa...@poseidonsharvest.com This distributor has product in stock, offers FREE expedited shipping in the continental US and provides volume discount on multiple bottles orders. You can purchase Modifilan from Poseidon's both on-line and over the phone. With all questions about using Modifilan, please do not hesitate to call here directly. Again, thank you for your time and business! With kindest regards,sergei Sergei Zimin Pacific Standard Dist., Inc. ph: 760-479-1460 fax: 800-741-2164 international fax: 415-963-4456 e-mail: sa...@modifilan.com In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" wrote: > > I have a very close friend who has just been diagnosed with prostate > cancer. 3 nodes of the biopsy have a Gleason Index of 7. Otherwise > my friend is in excellent health and recently had an Ayurvedic consult > at the Raj and was pretty much given a clean bill of health. My > friend and I are debating what to do. My friend also lives in Austin, > TX and has the best of medical insurance. He's got a consult > scheduled with a world famous Urologist who has performed 1,200 Di > Vinci robotic prostrate cancer surgeries. The odds are that my friend > will retain full functioning except for that which the prostate > provides because the robotic surgery is so targeted if he opts for > surgery. > > I am urging my friend to not pursue alternate therapies including > Ayurveda to handle the slowing growing cancer (PSA went from 4 to 12 > in 7 years). IMO Ayurveda is a nice preventative but that's about it. > It would be much better if this diagnosis were made in 2090, assuming > humankind still exists then, but the options aren't so bad in 2009. > > Would anyone care to comment about what course of action my friend > should take? Yeah, he's a long time citizen sidha and all that. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prostate cancer. What to do
Can you post his birth data, including time, date, city and country of birth? I'll check his birth horoscope and let you know what I find. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" wrote: > > I have a very close friend who has just been diagnosed with prostate > cancer. 3 nodes of the biopsy have a Gleason Index of 7. Otherwise > my friend is in excellent health and recently had an Ayurvedic consult > at the Raj and was pretty much given a clean bill of health. My > friend and I are debating what to do. My friend also lives in Austin, > TX and has the best of medical insurance. He's got a consult > scheduled with a world famous Urologist who has performed 1,200 Di > Vinci robotic prostrate cancer surgeries. The odds are that my friend > will retain full functioning except for that which the prostate > provides because the robotic surgery is so targeted if he opts for > surgery. > > I am urging my friend to not pursue alternate therapies including > Ayurveda to handle the slowing growing cancer (PSA went from 4 to 12 > in 7 years). IMO Ayurveda is a nice preventative but that's about it. > It would be much better if this diagnosis were made in 2090, assuming > humankind still exists then, but the options aren't so bad in 2009. > > Would anyone care to comment about what course of action my friend > should take? Yeah, he's a long time citizen sidha and all that. >
