RE: Justification for murder

[Eric Roberts]

Heheh...yeah...I never understood that "indentation" style.  The first one
makes more sense to me.  It's much more readable.  I definitely sympathize
with the characters LOL.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:41 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Justification for murder


I read a number of great web comics and once in a while something stands out
to be shared. This recent page from Sandra and Woo is one of them. I might
even be so bold as to say that anyone who does not 'get it' is not a real
programmer. Of course, others would disagree and a fight would ensue, which
fits the context perfectly. :)

Sandra and Woo > [0674] There Are 10 Types Of Programmers | The comedy
webcomic

http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2015/04/13/0674-there-are-10-types-of-programmer
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RE: Eclipse not respnding

[Eric Roberts]

You can go into the config.ini and increase the memory limits, that usually
helps, but I have been having issues with Luna (not sure what version you
are on) where large pages will be real slow...like when I am typing, I can
type a whole line before the 1st three letters appear on the line and also
having the app freeze up when trying to save.  Sublime Text is pretty
awesome for a lightweight editor.

Eric

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Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 10:28 AM
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Subject: Eclipse not respnding


I'm going nuts with eclipse not responding every couple of seconds.  I know
I've seen some memory tweaks and stuff before, suggestions?




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RE: I'm demoing my final project tomorrow night

[Eric Roberts]

Break a leg!!

-Original Message-
From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:jdino...@houseoffusion.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:55 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: I'm demoing my final project tomorrow night


If anyone's in Manhattan tomorrow night (Wednesday) and wants to stop by,
please come to the General Assembly Labs Showcase, where I'll be showing off
the project that I and my team developed as part of the GA Labs Hackathon.
I'm on at 7:00 pm. (The event runs from 6:25 through 8:30 pm.)

https://
generalassemb.ly/education/ga-labs-showcase-part-one/new-york-city/11750

Please come if you can, and please RSVP on GA's siite.

All the best,

Judith




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RE: software to emulate mobile device on PC for development

[Eric Roberts]

Yeah...it's pretty cool.  I am learning mobile development and have been
using Chrome.  It pretty much does for Android what Safari does on Macs for
iOS.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: J.J. Merrick [mailto:j...@panos.cc] 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:40 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: software to emulate mobile device on PC for development


Wow... I've been doing mobile development for years and I NEVER knew that
existed... I always just made the screen smaller or used the iPhone emulator
in xcode. I feel like my whole life was a lie now. WOW!

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Mark Spence 
wrote:

>
> Exactly what I was looking for.  Thank you very much.
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:41 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
>
> >
> > In chrome developer tools there's an emulator built right in.  It's 
> > under more tools.  Looks like a phone in the upper left corner of 
> > the developer tools frame.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Mark Spence 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I want to develop a mobile version of a site.  Is there software 
> > > that
> > will
> > > let me emulate how it will look on various mobile devices without
> having
> > > the device itself?
> > >
> > > This is my first foray in mobile development.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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RE: Cutting the Cable

[Eric Roberts]

OK...that makes more sense LOL

-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:52 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Cutting the Cable


Shit, that’s a year, not month. Hahahahahaha 
> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
> 
> Howdy all,
> I know some of you on this list have made the switch from cable/satellite 
> television to just online, and I am getting ready to leave cable except for 
> internet. I discovered that I can save over $1,500.00 a month. My question is 
> what device to get? I have a PS3 for Netflix and Amazon Prime. I have Google 
> Chromecast, but I am not impressed with the quality. The sound keeps cutting 
> out. I am looking at a Roku or Apple TV device. What are you all using and 
> can you give me some comments? I am also checking the inter webs and making 
> comparisons.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Bruce




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RE: Cutting the Cable

[Eric Roberts]

1500.00?  How much do you pay for cable and internet?  You can save some
money, but 1500 a month?Up until recently, I didn't have cable.  I just
watched Netflix and Amazon Prime via my Roku device on my TV and the online
apps on my computer and tablet/phone.  You can also stream video via playon
with the Roku device and your computer...so if you have DVD's or other
videos on your computer, you can view them via the playon app on the Roku
device.  I have used it a little bit and performance seemed ok.  You are
installing the playon server software on your computer and the Roku app is
the client, so the network is all internal.  Hulu is another option.  I
never really got into the Hulu stuff as much as I did Netflix and
Amazon...but some people swear by it.  I love my Roku device.  Get the $99
one...it has more features and you can even play games on it.  It only works
with HDMI capable TV's.

Unfortunately, the place I am in the middle of moving to only has Comcast
(grr)...so I have cable again...I had to drop my AT&T internet account.  I
figured if I was going to sell my soul...I may as well go whole hog LOL.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:44 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Cutting the Cable


Howdy all,
I know some of you on this list have made the switch from cable/satellite
television to just online, and I am getting ready to leave cable except for
internet. I discovered that I can save over $1,500.00 a month. My question
is what device to get? I have a PS3 for Netflix and Amazon Prime. I have
Google Chromecast, but I am not impressed with the quality. The sound keeps
cutting out. I am looking at a Roku or Apple TV device. What are you all
using and can you give me some comments? I am also checking the inter webs
and making comparisons.


Thanks
Bruce



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RE: lol AmericanThinker

[Eric Roberts]

I think quite a few liberals do too...

-Original Message-
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 6:08 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: lol AmericanThinker


54% of Muslims believe that, deep down, Obama is a Republican.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Vivec  wrote:

>
> So, 54% of republicans believe that deep down Obama is a Muslim lol lol
^_^
>
> http://www.vox.com/2015/2/25/8108005/obama-muslim-poll
> <
>
http://www.vox.com/2015/2/25/8108005/obama-muslim-poll?utm_medium=social&utm
_source=facebook&utm_campaign=voxdotcom&utm_content=wednesday
> >
>
>




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RE: lol AmericanThinker

[Eric Roberts]

Iran and Syria have been kicking ISIL's ass pretty hard.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:33 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: lol AmericanThinker


I didn't get it,  but I don't think he's some deep penetration double agent.

Honestly,  how long do you think ISIS will last before the local populations 
deal with shit?  It's already happening.

To my mind ISIS could be the very thing that causes the needed internal 
reformation of Islam.
On Feb 25, 2015 3:28 PM, "Sam"  wrote:

>
> Yes. Didn't he recently trade the Taliban Five for an army deserter?
> You weren't even a little concerned about that?
>
> .
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:16 PM, GMoney  wrote:
> >
> > You are comfortable with this:
> >
> > Obama is comfortable with Islam’s extreme
> >
> > ???
> >
> > Really? You believe that of our current sitting American president? 
> > You believe that Muslim extremism does not bother him?
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Sam  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Let me just add Obama and his admin always refer to ISIS as ISIL. 
> >> That right there says plenty.
> >>
> >> As for the conclusion, I'm in agreement with this part. After that 
> >> he loses me:
> >>
> >>
> >> Maybe it was Obama’s idea of a joke, but that is unlikely.  The 
> >> finger in the air was a position statement brazenly stated.  His 
> >> entire administration has been a promotion of Islam at home and 
> >> abroad, and just cataloging the evidence would fill a book.  He has 
> >> made this country cozy for Islam, from ordering NASA to make 
> >> Muslims feel good about themselves to calling ISIS beheading victim 
> >> Peter Kassig by the Muslim name that he had adopted in the vain hope of 
> >> saving his life.
> >>
> >> If only Obama’s coziness were limited to such gestures, but from 
> >> the very beginning of his administration, he labored to topple the 
> >> strongman governments that had kept a lid on Islamic extremism:
> >> Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen.  Overthrowing the Syrian government 
> >> was also part the program, not yet achieved but still possible. The 
> >> methodology of each was a tactic from old-school radicalism: stir 
> >> up domestic trouble that triggers a crackdown, then use the 
> >> reaction to discredit the government and as a pretext for stirring 
> >> up greater cycles of trouble until the targeted regime is replaced.
> >>
> >> Obama is comfortable with Islam’s extreme.  He arms such people 
> >> throughout the Middle East.  He has let them into our government.  
> >> He supported the Muslim Brotherhood’s Muhammad Morsi as the 
> >> replacement for Hosni Mubarak, a staunch US ally and enemy of the 
> >> Muslim Brotherhood, and threatened and bullied Egypt when a massive 
> >> revolt replaced Morsi with a religious moderate.
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:44 PM, GMoney  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Sam likes to play devil's advocate.
> >> >
> >> > But i want to knowSam, do you think the conclusions in this 
> >> > blog
> post
> >> > are accurate?
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: Adobe Phonegap Build question...

[Eric Roberts]

That's what it was...I was reading the phonegap build instructions and they
said to just put the "www" folder contents in build (from a Cordova app) and
the recent version of Cordova moved the config.xml out of the www folder and
put it into the root.  Once I put a copy of the config.xml in the root (the
www folder in the orginal Cordova app) and configured that properly, things
worked just fine :-D

It looks for the widget ID in config.xml and since I didn't have a
config.xml in the code root, it apparently defaulted to something that was
the same in both of the apps.

Thanks!
Eric

-Original Message-
From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:12 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Adobe Phonegap Build question...


Not a PhoneGap dev but maybe something that ID's the app is set the same,
perhaps in the config.xml?
http://docs.phonegap.com/en/edge/config_ref_index.md.html#The%20config.xml%2
0File


Until Later!
C. Hatton Humphrey
http://www.eastcoastconservative.com

Like the saying goes, "Measure Twice, Cut Onc..."

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> Does anyone have any experience using the Adobe Phonegap Build 
> website?  I have been playing around with it as we needed a better way 
> to kep our private application updated remotely without using the app
store or iTunes.
> Hydration on the Build site works perfectly.  The problem I am having 
> is that if I try to load the 2 apps I have created on the site on a 
> device, iOS or Android.doesn't matter, the device looks at the app as 
> the same app even though they are 2 different apps with 2 different 
> file names.  According to the website, they both have different app 
> id's.  Am I missing something in the setup?  I am an absolute noob 
> when it comes to mobile apps, so I am kinda blindly poking around.  If 
> anyone knows what I am doing wrong, I would appreciate the help.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> 



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Adobe Phonegap Build question...

[Eric Roberts]

Does anyone have any experience using the Adobe Phonegap Build website?  I
have been playing around with it as we needed a better way to kep our
private application updated remotely without using the app store or iTunes.
Hydration on the Build site works perfectly.  The problem I am having is
that if I try to load the 2 apps I have created on the site on a device, iOS
or Android.doesn't matter, the device looks at the app as the same app even
though they are 2 different apps with 2 different file names.  According to
the website, they both have different app id's.  Am I missing something in
the setup?  I am an absolute noob when it comes to mobile apps, so I am
kinda blindly poking around.  If anyone knows what I am doing wrong, I would
appreciate the help.

 

Eric



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RE: New Years Resolution

[Eric Roberts]

Amen to that.  The past 2 years have really sucked for me and the past 10
have been pretty rough financially...I finally got a permanent gig that I
started 1 December (no more contract work YAY),  so things are turning
around finally.  I will have that financial stability that I need and
actually get some of those mythical benefits I hear so much about.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 9:12 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: New Years Resolution


On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Michael Dinowitz <
mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:

> So now that I've defined the almost impossible for my resolution, what 
> do you resolve for the new year? ;)
>

2014 was a tough year for me, best described as a long hilly drive with kids
in the back.  There have been good times but also some pretty rough times.
My resolution is to do everything I can to make 2015 better, fiscally and
physically.

That sounds nebulous, but most resolutions are.  I actually started well
before Christmas but am making it a resolution to continue.

Until Later!
C. Hatton Humphrey
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RE: glutton for punishment

[Eric Roberts]

LOL..  My daughter loves goosebumps.  I have a much younger brother and he
had the whole series, which my daughter inherited...

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:53 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: glutton for punishment


You've all heard me moan and complain about my children's addiction to
reading. The problem is, despite knowing what the future will hold for her,
I'm encouraging my 7y.o. to read. She sat 2 hours straight last night
reading Goosebumps and I praised her for it. I'm a masochist.




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God Jul!!!!

[Eric Roberts]

I would like to wish everyone a God Jul and Happy Holidays, whichever
holiday you happen to celebrate!!

Eric


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RE: Fox Entertainment network blocked on Dish...

[Eric Roberts]

No kidding...

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:10 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Fox Entertainment network blocked on Dish...


On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Sam wrote:

> Oh no, now how am I going to watch Special Report with Bret Baier?
> Maybe it will be on the interwebs


While Fox News is blocked I think TMZ may be a good substitute. They appear
to have the same level of credibility and lack of bias.

-Cameron

...




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RE: Happy Birthday Angel

[Eric Roberts]

W000t!  Happy birthday Angel!!!  I hope you have a very awesome day!

Eric

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Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 8:17 AM
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Celebrate!




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RE: Fox Entertainment network blocked on Dish...

[Eric Roberts]

LOL...karma is a bitch, isn't it LOL

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 8:15 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Fox Entertainment network blocked on Dish...


http://www.engadget.com/2014/12/21/dish-networks-latest-squabble-turns-off-f
ox-news-business-chan/


-Cameron

...




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RE: US economy beat all 3rd quarter expectations!

[Eric Roberts]

Fucking Obama...

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:43 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: US economy beat all 3rd quarter expectations!


http://www.businessinsider.com/q3-gdp-first-revision-november-25-2014-11

The first revision to third quarter GDP showed the US economy grew at an
annualized rate of 3.9% during the quarter.

Great news!




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RE: Republican report on Benghazi finds no wrong doing.

[Eric Roberts]

Never...they will just move on to the next fake conspiracy.  Basically do
anything but govern.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:58 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Republican report on Benghazi finds no wrong doing.


This is so laughable! Wonder when the party supporters are going to impeach
their own representatives for wasting so much time, or when supporters are
going to pull their funds for wasting them on Benghazi! Or when Fox news
executives are going to instruct their staff to apologise for the thousands
of hours spent talking about a conspiracy that was fabricated, and not
having the investigative journalist skills to realise that?

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/21/politics/benghazi-attack-report/index.html
?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest
+%28RSS%3A+Most+Recent%29

*"An investigative report prepared by the House Intelligence Committee finds
little to support questions raised about CIA actions on the ground in
Benghazi, Libya, the night of a deadly 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic
compound.*

*The final report, from Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, and ranking member
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, D-Maryland, concludes there was no intelligence
failure prior to the attack, no stand-down order to CIA operatives trying to
go assist at the besieged consular building and found conflicting
intelligence in the wake of the attack about the motive and cause, which
were reflected in early public comments by the administration." "*

In other words it was all BS and lies. So these guys are either extremely
stupid and incompetent, or they took everyone for a ride by concocting a
story for political gain in the wake of a tragic situation.




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RE: Republican report on Benghazi finds no wrong doing.

[Eric Roberts]

Sad thing is that these traitorous fucktards got relected.

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Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:58 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Republican report on Benghazi finds no wrong doing.


This is so laughable! Wonder when the party supporters are going to impeach
their own representatives for wasting so much time, or when supporters are
going to pull their funds for wasting them on Benghazi! Or when Fox news
executives are going to instruct their staff to apologise for the thousands
of hours spent talking about a conspiracy that was fabricated, and not
having the investigative journalist skills to realise that?

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/21/politics/benghazi-attack-report/index.html
?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest
+%28RSS%3A+Most+Recent%29

*"An investigative report prepared by the House Intelligence Committee finds
little to support questions raised about CIA actions on the ground in
Benghazi, Libya, the night of a deadly 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic
compound.*

*The final report, from Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, and ranking member
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, D-Maryland, concludes there was no intelligence
failure prior to the attack, no stand-down order to CIA operatives trying to
go assist at the besieged consular building and found conflicting
intelligence in the wake of the attack about the motive and cause, which
were reflected in early public comments by the administration." "*

In other words it was all BS and lies. So these guys are either extremely
stupid and incompetent, or they took everyone for a ride by concocting a
story for political gain in the wake of a tragic situation.




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RE: Ramptay va. Lutsay

[Eric Roberts]

I have always heart it referred to as a tramp stamp...I never heard it
called a slut stamp.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:36 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Ramptay va. Lutsay


A young lady whom I know had bent over in my presence recently and her shirt
rode up some. On her lower back was the indentations of the bungee cords
that made up the chair she was just sitting in. I mentioned that it looked
like an S stamp (there were younger kids present so I didn't want to be more
specific).
She disagreed with me and said it was a T stamp. I kept saying S and she
kept saying T. She must have thought I didn't understand so she said in pig
Latin that it was a Ramptay stamp, not a Lutsay stamp.
So the question goes out to you. Is it Ramptay or Lutsay?

Isn't it great when people can talk intelligently with each other? ;)



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RE: news of the week

[Eric Roberts]

No, like people who don't have the benefit of employer sponsored
healthcare...

-Original Message-
From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:31 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: news of the week


You mean like insurance company CEO's and compliance lawyers?

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Vivec  wrote:

>
> Perhaps the people helped the most by Obamacare would not be found on 
> this list? :-\
>
>
> 



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RE: news of the week

[Eric Roberts]

Sounds to me like you need to shop for a better plan...

-Original Message-
From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 12:00 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: news of the week


My premium stayed the samebut i now pay for EVERY medical issue out of
my pocket. It's basically like i have no coverage at all. It's catastrophic
coverage is what it is. If someone gets deathly ill and spends a month in
the hospital, i'll be out 10 grand or so, but not go completely bankrupt.
Gee thanks.

For that same price i used to get coverage on everything. Doc visits were
$20. Many other things were free to me.

SOMEONE is getting more money out of mei'm just curious who it is.



On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM, LRS Scout  wrote:

>
> That's basically my feeling in it at this point.
>
> The insurance for my kids went up $400 a month.
> On Nov 14, 2014 12:51 PM, "GMoney"  wrote:
>
> >
> > I wonder why those beneficial requirements couldn't be included in a 
> > much less expansive billone that kept the rest of the system 
> > pretty much
> in
> > tact?
> >
> > I'm curious to hear from anyone who simply could not get insurance
> before,
> > but now has a nice shiny new affordable plan in place. Wasn't that
> supposed
> > to be the major benefit of this? I'm paying a helluva lot more these 
> > daysand I just wonder where that money is going? Is it going to 
> > help other people...my peers as it were...or is it lining some fat cats'
> pocket?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM, LRS Scout  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The change in rules allowed me to get medicaid.
> > >
> > > Beats the hell out if just having VA coverage.
> > >
> > > I hate to be supportive of any of it, but there are a few decent 
> > > things
> > in
> > > there like Jerry mentioned and no previously existing conditions.
> > > On Nov 14, 2014 12:19 PM, "GMoney"  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Cool.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson <
> jmi...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, both specifically in Massachusetts (Romneycare), and I 
> > > > > will be
> > > > greatly
> > > > > helped by the "cannot be denied if you switch jobs" part of it.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact that without it (and with the changes insurance 
> > > > > companies
> > had
> > > > been
> > > > > moving towards) I would lose healthcare for pre-existing 
> > > > > conditions
> > > > (type 1
> > > > > diabetes) means i could not switch jobs, which basically puts 
> > > > > me in
> > an
> > > > > indentured servant class.
> > > > >
> > > > > My sister's family was helped by better costs in Connecticut, 
> > > > > for
> > > better
> > > > > healthcare coverage.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Bruce Sorge 
> > > > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Army uses try care for his medical benefits. It conforms 
> > > > > > with
> > > Obama
> > > > > > care so nothing is changed for me
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my iPhone 5S
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Nov 14, 2014, at 10:39 AM, GMoney 
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just curious, is there anyone on this list who has 
> > > > > > > personally
> > > > benefited
> > > > > > > from ObamaCare? I'm not looking for political bullshit, or
> > > > > > he-said-she-said
> > > > > > > crapjust wonderingit has to have helped SOMEONE,
right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I want to hear about it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Sam 
> > > > > > >> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I see the WP finally mentioned him but it's kind of a 
> > > > > > >> puff
> peace
> > > > about
> > > > > > >> how he's worth the $400k he was paid by the government.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> .
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Bruce Sorge <
> sor...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> They are not interviews, their speeches. And Washington 
> > > > > > >>> Post
> > > > actually
> > > > > > >> picked it up as well now
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: news of the week

[Eric Roberts]

Yup...I was able to easily get good insurance on my own.  Prior to the ACA I
was unable to because I have diabetes and asthma.  When I was in a long
period of unemployment, they actually shunted me directly to medicare and
got me enrolled in medicare pretty quickly and easily.

-Original Message-
From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 9:40 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: news of the week


Just curious, is there anyone on this list who has personally benefited from
ObamaCare? I'm not looking for political bullshit, or he-said-she-said
crapjust wonderingit has to have helped SOMEONE, right?

I want to hear about it.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Sam  wrote:

>
> I see the WP finally mentioned him but it's kind of a puff peace about 
> how he's worth the $400k he was paid by the government.
>
> .
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
> >
> > They are not interviews, their speeches. And Washington Post 
> > actually
> picked it up as well now
>
> 



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RE: Jealous Computers

[Eric Roberts]

LOL

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:23 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Jealous Computers


The strip left off the rest of that sentence. It really said "Please Load
Argument Disk 2 of 47"

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> "Please Load Argument Disk 2"  SNORK!!!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:edi...@fusionauthority.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:04 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Jealous Computers
>
>
> Another partially clips I thought you'd all enjoy:
>
> http://partiallyclips.com/2014/10/22/buried-in-computer-paper/
>
> So what do you think E.D.I.T.H. stands for?
>
> Judith
>
> <http://www.flex-authority.com/>
>
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Jealous Computers

[Eric Roberts]

"Please Load Argument Disk 2"  SNORK!!!

-Original Message-
From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:edi...@fusionauthority.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:04 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Jealous Computers


Another partially clips I thought you'd all enjoy:

http://partiallyclips.com/2014/10/22/buried-in-computer-paper/

So what do you think E.D.I.T.H. stands for?

Judith






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RE: My music

[Eric Roberts]

Congrats and break a leg

-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:12 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: My music


For the last several years I have been working on a double album of my music
and some of my favorite covers. I will be releasing the CD  very soon. I am
currently doing pre-sales to cover the final cost of production.

The genre is country flavored singer/songwriter.

If you would like to purchase, this is the link to the page on my website.

http://planetjudith.com/pages/cd1.html

Thanks in advance



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RE: Ebola in our hemisphere, you scared?

[Eric Roberts]

The major issue is that all of the news outlets are doing little more than
spreading fear and misinformation.  Ignorant people then panicking about it
and spreading even more info that they read on tinfoil hat websites doesn't
help either.  I wish there was a way to force people to research...that
would solve a lot of problems in many areas hehehe.

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:54 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ebola in our hemisphere, you scared?


I think it's way too early to believe the science is settled.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ebola-questions-20141007-story.html#page
=2

.


On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Ray Champagne  wrote:
>
> I read it cannot be transmitted through the skin?
>



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RE: Ebola in our hemisphere, you scared?

[Eric Roberts]

Not without access to bodily fluids.  A cut would certainly help to
facilitate that.

-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:r...@raychampagne.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:21 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ebola in our hemisphere, you scared?


I read it cannot be transmitted through the skin?

On Thursday, October 9, 2014, Eric Roberts 
wrote:

>
> Yes...if you remove your protective suit the wrong way and come in 
> contact with body fluids that are on your protective suit...yup...you 
> are now infected.  It is very virulent, but you still have to actually 
> come in contact with body fluids.  The virus also lasts longer than 
> most outside the body.  It will even remain active in dried up fluids 
> for several days.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com ]
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:23 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Ebola in our hemisphere, you scared?
>
>
> I don't know if it's that cut and dry. The latest American with 
> symptoms didn't have direct contact. Now they're also saying that if 
> you remove your protective suit the wrong way you'll get it. I think 
> we need to keep asking questions until they know for sure. I was 
> talking to a friend that works for the CDC about a month ago and he 
> said they have no definitive idea of how it spreads and how viral it 
> will get. I say, be cautious and wait for the science.
>
> .
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:55 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey 
> >
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Sam  > >
> wrote:
> >
> >> > When it comes to disease I tend to listen to doctors over "the 
> >> > other
> >> guys"
> >> > yes.
> >>
> >> The Doctors on the news or the Doctors sent out by the regime for 
> >> the press?
> >
> >
> > I've been listening to the doctors that have been working on the 
> > ground in African countries.
> >
> > The reason it's more infectious "over there" is for two reasons - 
> > one cultural because of the funeral rites of many tribes that 
> > include washing, dressing and even kissing the body of the deceased.  
> > The other is capacity which has been documented. ( 
> > http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/13/kissing-the-corpses
> > -i
> > n-ebola-country.html
> > )
> >
> > In the US the second of those issues is not an issue.  The first 
> > might be a challenge but even then facilities are available.
> >
> > In short, I'm not buying the fear or the hype.
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Ebola in our hemisphere, you scared?

[Eric Roberts]

Yes...if you remove your protective suit the wrong way and come in contact
with body fluids that are on your protective suit...yup...you are now
infected.  It is very virulent, but you still have to actually come in
contact with body fluids.  The virus also lasts longer than most outside the
body.  It will even remain active in dried up fluids for several days.

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:23 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ebola in our hemisphere, you scared?


I don't know if it's that cut and dry. The latest American with symptoms
didn't have direct contact. Now they're also saying that if you remove your
protective suit the wrong way you'll get it. I think we need to keep asking
questions until they know for sure. I was talking to a friend that works for
the CDC about a month ago and he said they have no definitive idea of how it
spreads and how viral it will get. I say, be cautious and wait for the
science.

.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:55 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey 
wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Sam  wrote:
>
>> > When it comes to disease I tend to listen to doctors over "the 
>> > other
>> guys"
>> > yes.
>>
>> The Doctors on the news or the Doctors sent out by the regime for the 
>> press?
>
>
> I've been listening to the doctors that have been working on the 
> ground in African countries.
>
> The reason it's more infectious "over there" is for two reasons - one 
> cultural because of the funeral rites of many tribes that include 
> washing, dressing and even kissing the body of the deceased.  The 
> other is capacity which has been documented. ( 
> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/13/kissing-the-corpses-i
> n-ebola-country.html
> )
>
> In the US the second of those issues is not an issue.  The first might 
> be a challenge but even then facilities are available.
>
> In short, I'm not buying the fear or the hype.
>



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RE: Ebola in our hemisphere, you scared?

[Eric Roberts]

Not to mention poor sanitation and infected drinking sources.  The guy that
came over here got it because he helped to carry his infected sister or
cousin...I forget which offhand) who ended up dying.  It is transmitted
through the sweat, so when you pick a body up (and touch their skin or come
in contact with cloth that is soaked with their seat, blood, puke, etc...),
of someone that has died or is infection, you get infected.  It's can also
be transmitted sexually up to 6 weeks after recoverythey are trying to
get males to make sure they wear condoms in the nations where the epidemic
has been declared over to try and prevent a resurgence of it.

-Original Message-
From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:55 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ebola in our hemisphere, you scared?


On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Sam  wrote:

> > When it comes to disease I tend to listen to doctors over "the other
> guys"
> > yes.
>
> The Doctors on the news or the Doctors sent out by the regime for the 
> press?


I've been listening to the doctors that have been working on the ground in
African countries.

The reason it's more infectious "over there" is for two reasons - one
cultural because of the funeral rites of many tribes that include washing,
dressing and even kissing the body of the deceased.  The other is capacity
which has been documented. (
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/13/kissing-the-corpses-in-ebol
a-country.html
)

In the US the second of those issues is not an issue.  The first might be a
challenge but even then facilities are available.

In short, I'm not buying the fear or the hype.

Until Later!
C. Hatton Humphrey
http://www.eastcoastconservative.com

Every cloud does have a silver lining.  Sometimes you just have to do some
smelting to find it.




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RE: Devastating consequences of US attacks in middle east.

[Eric Roberts]

One of the big ones has been depleted uranium.  We use depleted uranium
munitions quite a bit.  This has cause off the scaled birth defects in Iraq
and Afghanistan.

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 7:24 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Devastating consequences of US attacks in middle east.


On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Vivec wrote:

> What you don't know about the aftermath of military action by the US 
> in the Middle East.


I've read a bit about this. Many of the more modern weapons use shells that
have come pretty toxic components. These components are not banned as
chemical weapons since they are not designed to have an immediate impact
(chemically or biologically) on the target, but they are not good at all for
the long environment where they have been used.

-Cameron

...




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RE: Going to go see the First Lady today!!!

[Eric Roberts]

Rally's don't cost money...they are free.  It wasn't a fundraising event.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 9:16 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Going to go see the First Lady today!!!


I know i have vastly different views on politics than anyone else.

I think it's a disease, and people who engage in it actively are sick. I'd
rather butt fuck the ebola virus than go to a political rally. Giving your
time and excitement and worst of all, your money, to some asshole so he can
get a cushy 6 figure salary, all because he sold you hook line and sinker on
his brand of bullshitmakes no sense to me.

At least at Disneyland you realize you're being sodomized by a giant rodent.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:47 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey 
wrote:

>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson 
> wrote:
>
> > I don't see anything wrong with a 9 year old being excited about a 
> > rally
> or
> > stump speech. They are meant to generate enthusiasm and emotion.
> >
> > Seeing the First Lady , regardless of party, should always be exciting.
> >
>
> I'm with Jerry on this one (though I would be tempted to bring a 
> McDonald's bag just for snark).
>
> What's interesting is that regardless of how we do or do not try to 
> "indoctrinate" our children, apples rarely fall far from the tree.  At 
> 6, my daughter proudly told me that she didn't like Obama because, "he 
> sounded like he wanted to take things from people." (or something like 
> that)  I had never really talked to her about politics.  She's 12 now 
> and hasn't changed much.
>
> Along the same lines, one of her friends is the daughter of a 
> stereotypical highbrow-liberal family (using stereotypes here I know) 
> and she falls in line with her family's political beliefs.  I don't 
> know if they've done much in the way of "indoctrination" but I honestly
doubt it.
>
> I think in both cases it's how values and concepts are modeled by the 
> family, not anything that is actively drilled into their skulls.
>
> My son just flips between thinking he's a Jedi and a Sith.  He'll deal 
> with politics later.
>
> Until Later!
> C. Hatton Humphrey
> http://www.eastcoastconservative.com
>
> Every cloud does have a silver lining.  Sometimes you just have to do 
> some smelting to find it.
>
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RE: Going to go see the First Lady today!!!

[Eric Roberts]

It was a great rally She gave a great speech as did Gov. Quinn, Senator
Durbin, and a host of other IL  office holders.  The UIC Pavilion was
packed...it was pretty awesome.  Last time I had been there was a for a
Godsmack/Staind concert back in 1999...parking sure hasn't improved LOL.  I
ended up having to park almost a mile away...I parked at Teamster
City...it's an office building with a bunch of teamster and other union
offices.  My daughter, Rhiannon, really enjoyed it.  You know you are doing
parenting right when a 9 year old gets as excited about a political rally as
she would for Disneyland LOL

-Original Message-
From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:02 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Going to go see the First Lady today!!!


Be sure to take her a cheeseburger!

/me flees

Until Later!
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http://www.eastcoastconservative.com

Every cloud does have a silver lining.  Sometimes you just have to do some
smelting to find it.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> I am taking my daughter to the pat Quinn Rally (He is the gov of IL 
> for the non-Illinoians here) at the UIC Pavilion in Chicago.  Michelle 
> Obama is going to be speaking at the rally this afternoon.  She is 
> really excited to be able to see the First lady and hear her 
> speak...not bad for a 9 year old!
> It's the same level of excitement you would expect from a kid going to 
> Disneyland!  I know a few of you here are FB friends...i will be 
> posting photos all afternoon of the event.
>
> Eric
>
>
> 



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RE: Going to go see the First Lady today!!!

[Eric Roberts]

LOL

-Original Message-
From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:02 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Going to go see the First Lady today!!!


Be sure to take her a cheeseburger!

/me flees

Until Later!
C. Hatton Humphrey
http://www.eastcoastconservative.com

Every cloud does have a silver lining.  Sometimes you just have to do some
smelting to find it.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> I am taking my daughter to the pat Quinn Rally (He is the gov of IL 
> for the non-Illinoians here) at the UIC Pavilion in Chicago.  Michelle 
> Obama is going to be speaking at the rally this afternoon.  She is 
> really excited to be able to see the First lady and hear her 
> speak...not bad for a 9 year old!
> It's the same level of excitement you would expect from a kid going to 
> Disneyland!  I know a few of you here are FB friends...i will be 
> posting photos all afternoon of the event.
>
> Eric
>
>
> 



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Going to go see the First Lady today!!!

[Eric Roberts]

I am taking my daughter to the pat Quinn Rally (He is the gov of IL for the
non-Illinoians here) at the UIC Pavilion in Chicago.  Michelle Obama is
going to be speaking at the rally this afternoon.  She is really excited to
be able to see the First lady and hear her speak...not bad for a 9 year old!
It's the same level of excitement you would expect from a kid going to
Disneyland!  I know a few of you here are FB friends...i will be posting
photos all afternoon of the event.

Eric


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RE: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest

[Eric Roberts]

https://www.facebook.com/theoatmeal/photos/a.10150413121115078.628758.220779
885077/10154686870095078/?type=1&theater

Sorry if you can't see this...

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:04 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest


I was an Apple convert. Had a 17 inch MacBook pro. Wife and I both had I
phones. I was all in.

When it came time to replace the MacBook Pro, I tried to justify the cost
difference. For me, a Mac did not make me more productive. Many claim it
makes them much more productive - leading me to believe that either I did
not know how to use OS X, or they don't know how to use Windows. None of the
tools I use for web development are Mac specific and are all cross platform.

For me, I saw no advantage of one OS over the other, so I went with what
cost less. Which was a Windows machine from Dell.
On Sep 27, 2014 8:20 PM, "Bruce Sorge"  wrote:

>
> IMO, you get what you pay for. I was a devout windows and android 
> user. I used to mock apple folks. Then I was offered a work in kind 
> deal, and for some reason, I chose to be paid in the form of a 17" 
> MacBook Pro. It took a while, but in the end, I was a convert. Now I 
> have an iPhone, iPad and of course the Mac. I love them all. I love 
> the interoperability of all three devices. I am looking forward to 
> Yosemite to come out for the Mac to see what new level of 
> interoperability I get. I still have two Windows machines in my house. 
> they run Windows 7 and 8. I don't know why I hang onto them, but on 
> rare occasions I will fire one up. I may turn one of them into a linux 
> machine running Apache, PHP and ColdFusion as well as MySQL for a
development web server since the sites I host are all on Linux servers.
> I don't think that Apple does anything "revolutionary". IMO, it 
> appears to me that they see what's out there, what people like and 
> don't like, and make/upgrade a product that has the things that folks 
> want, and not much of what they don't want. Again, my opinion.
> I don't mind that Apple waits a while to develop something that 
> Android has been doing for a while. I am patient. I was not jonesing 
> for a SWYPE keyboard, but as soon as I upgraded my iPhone to iOS 8, I 
> paid the whopping
> .99 cents to get it. I am looking forward to seeing how the iWatch is 
> going to work. From what I read, Apple took what Samsung has been 
> doing with their watch, and making tweaks so that it's what people 
> want, and leaving out what they don't want.
> In the end, its all about what you like. I won't bash a windows or 
> android user (I will bash Windows 8 though) just because they like their
systems.
> As was said in this thread, to each their own.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 27, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
> zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The click wheel interface was pretty innovative at the time. I 
> > remember that my brother had one from Dell at the same time I got my 
> > first iPod classic. Hands down, it was easier to navigate the iPod. 
> > The other difference was the quality of the components.  Audiophiles 
> > would use the iPod along with the FLAC codec to store their digital 
> > collections because of the quality if the DAC.
> >
> > As for apple products being overpriced, I'm sure there are a lot of
> people
> > that feel that way. I don't happen to be one of them.  I also  think 
> > that other companies have quality products e.g. Lenovo, but you end 
> > up
> spending
> > a similar amount because you have to get the higher end product.
> >
> > On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Eric Roberts < 
> > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> How did they do an MP3 player better than anyone else?  Even the 
> >> cheap crappy ones you can buy for 5 bucks play music just as good.  
> >> My old Creative Labs MP3 player that came out long before there was 
> >> ever an
> iPod
> >> played music just as good as an iPod years before there was an 
> >> iPod.  It synced with my computer's music folder...the only thing 
> >> special about it was the introduction of iTunes to download 
> >> music...though if I remember correctly, my player hooked up with 
> >> Rhapsody.  I never saw what was so innovative about it.  Apple 
> >> products are overpriced status symbols.
> Ever
> >> since the PC's became just as powerful in the graphics department, 
> >> Apple hasn't been anything special.  Hel...the only way th

RE: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest

[Eric Roberts]

Innovative how?

-Original Message-
From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:08 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest


The click wheel interface was pretty innovative at the time. I remember that
my brother had one from Dell at the same time I got my first iPod classic.
Hands down, it was easier to navigate the iPod. The other difference was the
quality of the components.  Audiophiles would use the iPod along with the
FLAC codec to store their digital collections because of the quality if the
DAC.

As for apple products being overpriced, I'm sure there are a lot of people
that feel that way. I don't happen to be one of them.  I also  think that
other companies have quality products e.g. Lenovo, but you end up spending a
similar amount because you have to get the higher end product.

On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> How did they do an MP3 player better than anyone else?  Even the cheap 
> crappy ones you can buy for 5 bucks play music just as good.  My old 
> Creative Labs MP3 player that came out long before there was ever an 
> iPod played music just as good as an iPod years before there was an 
> iPod.  It synced with my computer's music folder...the only thing 
> special about it was the introduction of iTunes to download 
> music...though if I remember correctly, my player hooked up with 
> Rhapsody.  I never saw what was so innovative about it.  Apple 
> products are overpriced status symbols.  Ever since the PC's became 
> just as powerful in the graphics department, Apple hasn't been 
> anything special.  Hel...the only way they were able to improve their 
> OS was to make it a Linux shell...
>
> Eric
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com ]
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:28 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest
>
>
> The apple iPod was a game changer ^_^
> They did the dedicated digital music player better than anyone else 
> ever did, or has done since ;-D
>
> On 27 September 2014 11:12, Scott Stroz  >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > people would claim it was a 'game changer' and that Apple
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> 



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RE: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest

[Eric Roberts]

How did they do an MP3 player better than anyone else?  Even the cheap
crappy ones you can buy for 5 bucks play music just as good.  My old
Creative Labs MP3 player that came out long before there was ever an iPod
played music just as good as an iPod years before there was an iPod.  It
synced with my computer's music folder...the only thing special about it was
the introduction of iTunes to download music...though if I remember
correctly, my player hooked up with Rhapsody.  I never saw what was so
innovative about it.  Apple products are overpriced status symbols.  Ever
since the PC's became just as powerful in the graphics department, Apple
hasn't been anything special.  Hel...the only way they were able to improve
their OS was to make it a Linux shell...

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:28 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest


The apple iPod was a game changer ^_^
They did the dedicated digital music player better than anyone else ever
did, or has done since ;-D

On 27 September 2014 11:12, Scott Stroz  wrote:

>
> people would claim it was a 'game changer' and that Apple
>
>




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RE: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest

[Eric Roberts]

The same applies to iPhones...if you still have the iPhone 4, you can't
upgrade to the latest OS either.  When iPhone 8 or 9 is the latest and
greatest, you won't be able to upgrade to the latest version of iOS on your
iPhone6.

-Original Message-
From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:36 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest


except when it doesn't

http://www.androidcentral.com/why-you-ll-never-have-latest-version-android


On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> Same thing applies to Android and Windows phones.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 1:52 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest
>
>
> the nice thing about it is that Apple can issue a software fix and 
> *all* the phones that can run IOS8 will get it.  You won't have to buy 
> a new phone to get the fix :)
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:38 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
>
> >
> > What did Apple do better?
> >
> > Advertise
> > On Sep 26, 2014 2:29 PM, "Sam"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-6-ios8-camera-problems,news-19585
> > .h
> > tml
> > >
> > > Seems like a software update can fix this.
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM, J.J. Merrick  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think his point is that the camera is to the point where it 
> > > > gives him
> > > the
> > > > controls etc that mimic the tools he has in his DSLR and that 
> > > > the
> > optics
> > > > are super crisp.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest

[Eric Roberts]

Same thing applies to Android and Windows phones.

-Original Message-
From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 1:52 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest


the nice thing about it is that Apple can issue a software fix and *all* the
phones that can run IOS8 will get it.  You won't have to buy a new phone to
get the fix :)

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:38 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:

>
> What did Apple do better?
>
> Advertise
> On Sep 26, 2014 2:29 PM, "Sam"  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-6-ios8-camera-problems,news-19585.h
> tml
> >
> > Seems like a software update can fix this.
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM, J.J. Merrick  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think his point is that the camera is to the point where it 
> > > gives him
> > the
> > > controls etc that mimic the tools he has in his DSLR and that the
> optics
> > > are super crisp.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest

[Eric Roberts]

Drain your bank account?

-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:40 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest


For those of you wondering, here's what the iPhone 6 does better than any
other phone out there on the market:

The 64 bit A8 Processor is better and faster than anything else on the
market.

The fingerprint scanner is the best performing scanner on the market, and it
is absolutely better than Samsung's S5 implementation

The camera has an autofocus system usually reserved for DSLRs.

Hand off of tasks between Apple devices is great, and a productivity booster
for many. Pick up writing an email, an SMS, or sharing documents immediately
between devices. (moving from your desktop to your iPad in your bedroom, for
example, would be seamless)

ApplePay is a tremendous innovation, with the ability to radically change
the way we use Credit Cards

So these aren't necessarily revolutionary changes, but neither has anything
the competition has done been revolutionary.

However, once again, Apple takes its incremental improvements and implements
them correctly and with a marketing flair that appeals to its customer base.
Which is why the iPhone launch always boast the best sell throughs of any
mobile device.




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RE: Man accused of invading white house was a war vet

[Eric Roberts]

More info...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/white-house-fence-jumper-had-ammun
ition-machete-in-car-prosecutors-said/2014/09/22/d37ece60-4274-11e4-b47c-f58
89e061e5f_story.html?wpisrc=al_national

This was the knife he had...

http://www.amazon.com/Spyderco-Endura4-Lightweight-Ground-PlainEdge/dp/B003C
H77WW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411415907&sr=8-1&keywords=spyderco+vg10



-Original Message-
From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:21 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Man accused of invading white house was a war vet


I read his story this morning. Very sad, and all too common tale i'm afraid.

Grew up in a military family. Wanted to be a soldier all his life.
Enlisted, and then re-enlisted when our second Iraq war deepened. Became
more and more disillusioned in our efforts in Iraq, then got wounded and
became entangled in the VA care mess, with long waits and miles of red-tape
before he got any of his benefits. Treated, unsuccessfully apparently, for
PTSD and depression.

This was a young man dedicated to helping his country.and this is how
he's been repaid. I don't know who's to blamemaybe these things just
happen, i dunnobut it's really sad. Just a sad story. I hope he gets the
help he needs and DESERVES.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Vivec  wrote:

>
> The Texas man accused of breaking into the White House on Friday night 
> while armed with a 3.5-inch knife is a decorated U.S. Iraq war 
> veteran, the U.S. Army said.
>
> A second man was arrested on Saturday for trespassing at the White 
> House after approaching the White House gates on foot, being sent away 
> and then returned in a vehicle, the Secret Service said.
>
> Read more: http://yhoo.it/1rhwyE4
> <
> http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fyhoo.it%2F1rhwyE4&h=RAQHu09
> Ye&enc=AZN6E-rWTADu6jEs6_dS5ScyQJeDp9f3TVo0RwwAhluaaEtKJFmNj5L0EfeOoe6
> mLXxIFVMzI0OAKbJW1t_jJfYWfUA8jgbsKiVAz1ExDXVFpMo_g5itV-xgRTgS6ZOdI3oIq
> 8zOcO1XpKgHCAQRNjLu&s=1
> >
>
> 
>
> This is the second incident, the last someone got onto the lawn. This 
> time someone made it INTO the white house. What's up with that , 
> secret service??
>
>
> 



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RE: Who's rocking iOS8??

[Eric Roberts]

So something else Android users have had for a very long time...*grin*

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:53 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Who's rocking iOS8??


On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Do you mean recognize music like Shazam or SoundHound?


Yes. It's actually powered by Shazam. You ask Siri what's playing and she
invokes the Shazam to tell you.

http://www.cnet.com/how-to/siri-can-now-name-that-tune-via-ios-8/

-Cameron

...




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RE: New video in the Ferguson shooting...

[Eric Roberts]

Had it not been for the public outcry and all of the attention brought to
this, no...i don't think they would have.  It would have been swept under
the rug like so many other murders of African Americans by the police.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 3:30 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: New video in the Ferguson shooting...


If that is the case, then the independent departments that are investigating
the case will eventually bring murder charges against the police
officerwill they not?

SO let's wait and see.

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Vivec  wrote:

>
> That entire police department seems to have been dirty.
>
> The fact that they used PR, misdirection to try to deflect an 
> investigation and questions suggests guilt.
>
>
> 



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RE: New video in the Ferguson shooting...

[Eric Roberts]

Exactly...that is the only reason they released the video of the incident at
the store, which had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting.  The cop
wasn't even aware that anything had happened at the store yet.  That was
pure character assassination of the victim so the police could enact a
coverup.  With the exception of the cop's friend, everyone else's testimony
lined up with what we see in that video...

-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 3:23 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: New video in the Ferguson shooting...


That entire police department seems to have been dirty.

The fact that they used PR, misdirection to try to deflect an investigation
and questions suggests guilt.




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RE: "he had his fuc*%ng hands up"

[Eric Roberts]

Now there is something we can agree on.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:30 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: "he had his fuc*%ng hands up"


I'm not one for media trials.

I think every officer involved shooting should be investigated as a crime
first until cleared, I don't see that happening here.

The department in question has been damning Brown since hours after his
shooting, even releasing false and misleading information.
On Sep 11, 2014 2:24 PM, "Sam"  wrote:

>
> Yes, investigate as a possible homicide. But like I said, the story 
> doesn't match other witnesses or autopsy results. I agree It is 
> damning, but not conclusive.
>
> .
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:20 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
> >
> > I think it should be investigated as a homicide at good point.
> >
> > The two videos on that page err in the second following the shooting 
> > and they are saying he didn't attack, was no threat, hands up.
> >
> > They watched it happen.
> > On Sep 11, 2014 2:16 PM, "Sam"  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> They also said he was running away and got shot in the back of his 
> >> head. We know based on the autopsy all shots came from the front. I 
> >> think we need more evidence before we can judge this case.
> >>
> >> .
> >>
>
> 



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RE: "he had his fuc*%ng hands up"

[Eric Roberts]

Their story matches most of the witnesses and the evidence...the only
witness it didn't match was a friend of the police officer.

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:24 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: "he had his fuc*%ng hands up"


Yes, investigate as a possible homicide. But like I said, the story doesn't
match other witnesses or autopsy results. I agree It is damning, but not
conclusive.

.

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:20 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
>
> I think it should be investigated as a homicide at good point.
>
> The two videos on that page err in the second following the shooting 
> and they are saying he didn't attack, was no threat, hands up.
>
> They watched it happen.
> On Sep 11, 2014 2:16 PM, "Sam"  wrote:
>
>>
>> They also said he was running away and got shot in the back of his 
>> head. We know based on the autopsy all shots came from the front. I 
>> think we need more evidence before we can judge this case.
>>
>> .
>>



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RE: "he had his fuc*%ng hands up"

[Eric Roberts]

The evidence was inconclusive...the autopsy showed that it could have been
from the back or the front with the way the bullet entered the skull.

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:16 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: "he had his fuc*%ng hands up"


They also said he was running away and got shot in the back of his head. We
know based on the autopsy all shots came from the front. I think we need
more evidence before we can judge this case.

.

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:25 AM, LRS Scout  wrote:
>
> So some news on the Mike Brown shooting.
>
> Multiple on site witnesses saying he had his hands up, people on video 
> "He was no threat at all".
>
> http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/new-eyewitness-testimony-
> maintains-michael-brown-had-his-hands-when-he-was-killed
>
>



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RE: Pistorious not guilty of murder

[Eric Roberts]

Amazing...

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:03 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Pistorious not guilty of murder


Wow...justwow.

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Vivec  wrote:

>
> What the hell!!?
>
> The guy shot his girlfriend 4 times in the bathroom!! He didn't even 
> see her, he shot through the door, they were the only ones in the room!
>
> How the hell is this not murder!??
>
>
> http://gawker.com/judge-oscar-pistorius-did-not-intentionally-kill-his
> -g-1633392801
>
> So it drops to possible manslaughter, which has no minimum sentencing. 
> He could get probation, or a fine.
>
> He cut someone off in the prime of their lives over most possibly an 
> argument or his insecurity or some nonsense like that.
>
> I'm really surprised at the verdict. And after the judge said he was 
> an unreliable witness, and wasn't truthful in many instances. So she 
> is saying she KNOWS he's lying !
>
>
> 



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New video in the Ferguson shooting...

[Eric Roberts]

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/26508217/new-video-surfaces-from-ferguson
-shooting

This video is from 2 construction workers who were 50 feet away from the
shooting when it happened.  Notice the reaction these guys had and what they
were saying.  Their testimony corroborates what witnesses have been saying
all along...that officer Wilson shot an unarmed teenager that was posing no
threat to him, without warning and without reason.


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RE: Bowing out

[Eric Roberts]

Ignored ;-)

-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:18 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Bowing out


And that was meant to be sent directly to Michael, so please ignore it.



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RE: New home

[Eric Roberts]

Lol...I finally found a friend that would take me in and help me get on my
feet...i got my shit together and got back to school.  It hasn't happened
again since.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:43 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: New home


I spent 7 months with my parents then 6 months with my mother-in-law (long
story why the switch). Camping would have been more fun and I'm passionately
against sleeping on the cold, hard earth again. I camped when I was a kid
when I lived up in New Hampshire and when I went to summer camp. That's
enough nature for me. Pass the soilent green.

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> Congrats on the new place...I was homeless for a bout 6 months when I 
> lived in Louisiana...luckily it good camping weather there year round 
> ;-)  IT's no fun
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:54 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: New home
>
>
> After being essentially homeless for the last 13 months I can now say 
> that I've got a new home. It's not exactly where I want to be but I 
> think it's where I'm meant to be for some reason. I'm still renting 
> and while the rent is almost double what I was paying, I now have 9 
> rooms with 5 being bedrooms (one of which is a guest room).
> The only problem is that the house is located in a bump on the tail 
> end of nowhere (almost literally) and I don't have a car (yet).
> The new address is 1478 Granada Place in Far Rockaway NY. If you look 
> at it in google maps you'll see what I mean about bump/tail. :)
>
> In all the time looking for a new apartment I was essentially doing 
> all of my work on an old lenovo laptop that Clark Valberg gave me 
> years ago. Even now that I'm back on my more powerful desktop I see 
> how far behind I am hardware wise. Now all I have to do is get 
> projects done, get paid, and convince my wife and kids that the car 
> can wait an extra month or two as I upgrade to that 70" wall mounted 
> TV for my new monitor. ;)
>
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Bowing out

[Eric Roberts]

Exactly...I would do the same.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:38 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Bowing out


You should have a Refuah Shelama (a complete healing). I hope you're just
avoiding the political threads rather than bowing out of the list in
general.
On a related note, I'm rather impressed with our members on the whole. We
can and do fight like cats and dogs but I've seen people of opposing
viewpoints meet on some issues and have seen people who would kill each
other on one issue be able to put it totally aside when the issue wasn't
being discussed.

I'll point to Eric on this. We're of extremely different viewpoints on a
certain subject and can get downright nasty with each other when that
subject comes up but any other time we're not only civil but friendly. If he
needed me for something I'd be there to the best of my ability without any
hesitation. I think that this is a general assessment of the list members as
a whole.

But yes, some topics are just fodder for hard discussion, have the
attractive power of a black hole, and it can be tiring in the extreme.
Better to save the energy and heal.


On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Maureen  wrote:

>
> I have  extreme views on some issues and I rarely expect people to 
> agree with me on those views.  However, it would nice to be able to 
> discuss them without being labeled or attacked.
>
> Not sure that will ever happen here, so I'm just going to bow out of 
> the politics. The friendships I have made here are more important to 
> me than having a forum for expressing my political views.
>
> I've been dealing with some serious medical issues, I feel very frail 
> and old, and I no longer have the energy to share space - even virtual 
> space - with those whose behavior toward me feels threatening.
>
> I guess this means the attack cadre has won the battle for the list.
> Too bad, because it has been fun sharing ideas and opinions over the 
> years.
>
> Love to you all.  I will miss (most of) you.
>
> Mama Maureen
>
> 



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RE: New home

[Eric Roberts]

Congrats on the new place...I was homeless for a bout 6 months when I lived
in Louisiana...luckily it good camping weather there year round ;-)  IT's no
fun

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:54 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: New home


After being essentially homeless for the last 13 months I can now say that
I've got a new home. It's not exactly where I want to be but I think it's
where I'm meant to be for some reason. I'm still renting and while the rent
is almost double what I was paying, I now have 9 rooms with 5 being bedrooms
(one of which is a guest room).
The only problem is that the house is located in a bump on the tail end of
nowhere (almost literally) and I don't have a car (yet).
The new address is 1478 Granada Place in Far Rockaway NY. If you look at it
in google maps you'll see what I mean about bump/tail. :)

In all the time looking for a new apartment I was essentially doing all of
my work on an old lenovo laptop that Clark Valberg gave me years ago. Even
now that I'm back on my more powerful desktop I see how far behind I am
hardware wise. Now all I have to do is get projects done, get paid, and
convince my wife and kids that the car can wait an extra month or two as I
upgrade to that 70" wall mounted TV for my new monitor. ;)




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RE: Ray Rice

[Eric Roberts]

It's not going to happen when they or at least one of them is a celebrity.
So that is a moot point.  

-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:21 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ray Rice


The point is not that what Rice did was right, normal or anything else.
The point is that this was and should have remained a private, personal
issue between two ADULTs!

Since when do you get to make decisions for an adult woman who is in a
relationship with a man?
WITH ZERO evidence that man is abusive towards her on an ongoing basis!??

What right do you have to diminish her mental capability, her being able to
think and make decisions for herself, based on your assumption that she is a
battered woman?

Don't you see that point?


On 10 September 2014 08:53, Eric Roberts 
wrote:

>
> I don't know what twisted world you live in where that is normal, but 
> if that is, then I don't know what to say.




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Ashkenazi genome...

[Eric Roberts]

Hey Michael Dinowitz.this might be of interest to you.
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/40956/title/Jewish-Her
itage-Written-in-DNA/

 

Eric



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RE: Ray Rice

[Eric Roberts]

That was Scott...but I do concur.  I do not know why they released her and
dropped the charges.  Maybe they know something we don't know.  To say you
know, unless you were there, is bullshit.  I am assuming they had good
reason to drop the charges.  We don't know the entire situation.  Maybe that
slap was her trying to defend herself...we don't know.  All we can see is
the small segment recorded by the elevator cam.  

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:31 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ray Rice


Wrong, Eric!

Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible for
hers!

I'm just trying to get you to see the double-standard we have in this
society.
Woman want equality, but don't want the responsibility that comes with it!

If woman want equality, then the law has be to blind to gender. The
exception being in cases where gender plays a crucial factor such as in
rape. 
Woman can't hide behind
their gender when it's convenient and then play the gender card when they
lose!

Or, in this case, society should stop playing the gender card for them!


On 9/10/2014 9:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did 
> not 'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice.
>
> Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and, 
> subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying to 
> justify his actions because you think she deserved it.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rick Faircloth 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to 
>> blame for you being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some 
>> responsibility for provoking Ray?
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>>> You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't 
>>> assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially 
>>> saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she 
>>> stayed in the
>> kitchen
>>> making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick?
>>>
>>> Typical, misogynistic bullshit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth <
>> r...@whitestonemedia.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S 
 action have consequences.
 Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are 
 never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in 
 the world" feminism.

 I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never 
 would have struck back.

 That's a safe bet that I'll take.


 On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that
 punching
> his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the 
> situation.
>
> There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one
>> else.
> Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these 
> professional athletes realize that.
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec  wrote:
>
>> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong.
>>
>> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were 
>> a
 couple
>> that had problems,
>> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things 
>> out,
 and
>> then this came along and ruined everything for them.
>>
>> What would you say then?
>>
>> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz  wrote:
>>
>>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment 
>>> he
 decided
>>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch 
>>> his soon-to-be wife in the face.
>>>
>>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of
>> someone
>> who
>>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in 
>>> her
 death
>>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The 
>>> biggest red
>> flag
>>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for 
>>> the
>> person
>>> who the the punch.
>>>
>>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed 
>>> to
 get a
>>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their 
>>> state
 of
>>> mind is/was.
>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec"  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I know what you meant.
 But the comparison  you can't make a comparison like that.

 And I don't see anything wrong with my view that
 A) his actions were disproportionate
 B) It was an altercation between two adults
 C) they were both to blame for what happened.
 D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the 
 couple or
>>

RE: Ray Rice

[Eric Roberts]

" And the charges were dropped against his wife because she was knocked out
AND because she's a woman. The charges would NOT have been dropped if she
had been a male friend of Ray's and they got into a fight."

Proof?  You can claim that all you like, but unless you have proof of that
it is just you rambling on.  You are also on the outside looking in and
claiming special knowledge oh mighty kettle...

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:25 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ray Rice


Bull, Eric.

Being a public figure is not Eric's doing; it's the public's!  No one asked
to make him to be a role model! Thousands of people make money off of Eric;
some millions.
Just because he becomes a role model (when he shouldn't) doesn't make
anything he does more or less worse than any other person.

And the charges were dropped against his wife because she was knocked out
AND because she's a woman. The charges would NOT have been dropped if she
had been a male friend of Ray's and they got into a fight.

Just go ahead a join the chorus of those who know best from the outside
looking in and destroy the lives of these people because mistakes were make
on both their parts.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have
ended it in the way he did.

I tried to unsubscribe on the House of Fusion site last night because being
part of this discussion, and others, is a waste of time and non-productive. 
Apparently, the unsubscribe
didn't take.

This is all ridiculous.


On 9/10/2014 8:53 AM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> Not when you are a public figure.  He makes money by being in the
spotlight.
> If it was you or me, then yeah, you would have some ground to stand on 
> with this argument.  But this guy is a public figure and shit like 
> this comes with the job.  If you do something in public, it get 
> publicized.  If that is not what he wants, then he should get a 
> regular job like the rest of us schleps.
>
> I don't know about you, but I have never punched any of my wives or 
> girlfriends in the face and knocked them out...no matter how pissed I 
> was at them and no matter what they did to me.  I have even been told 
> I have anger issues and I have never done this to anyone...ever.  So 
> no...that is not normal.  I don't know what twisted world you live in 
> where that is normal, but if that is, then I don't know what to say.  
> Using violence against someone is inexcusable.  It was inexcusable 
> when she did it and it was inexcusable when he did it.  It doesn't matter
if she hit him first or not.
> I still think they should both be prosecuted, but I am not privy to 
> the info prosecutors have and maybe they have a good reason as to why 
> charges against her were dropped.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:31 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Ray Rice
>
>
> Scott, families have a right to privacy as well.
> And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent.
> SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you 
> live in if you have never seen this happen?
>
> It doesn't reach the point of hospital visits, or getting knocked out, 
> or anything of the sort.
> There is a difference.
>
> I didn't see anyone accusing Ellen of being a serial abuser when she 
> grabbed a 9 iron and tried to brain tiger woods with it, then raced 
> after his fleeing car and smashed the windscreen.
>
> Fact is the wife has spoken out again in a rage and told all the do 
> gooders , and those that claim they want to "help" her to leave her 
> alone, she isn't in danger or trouble and doesn't need help. She said 
> that she and Rice had issues, and they worked them out and are working 
> them out, and all the public and media is doing is destroying him and
their family.
>
> But I forgot, women are like 12 year old kids who can't make 
> decisions, or take responsibility for their actions.
> This woman in particular needs the media, you and the rest of the 
> world to tell her what to do, and what to think, and how to behave 
> since you have all labelled her a broken battered person who needs the
state to care for her.
>
> I find that offensive.
> Because you have zero information to support that position, so far no 
> one does.
>
> No one has respected this woman, her rights or her privacy.
> She and Rice have been used for ratings and to make money. Their 
> situation has been exploited.
>
> If TMZ wanted to help, they could have quietly called her and spoken 
> to her, rather than splashed that video for the world to see.
> If th

RE: Ray Rice

[Eric Roberts]

Not when you are a public figure.  He makes money by being in the spotlight.
If it was you or me, then yeah, you would have some ground to stand on with
this argument.  But this guy is a public figure and shit like this comes
with the job.  If you do something in public, it get publicized.  If that is
not what he wants, then he should get a regular job like the rest of us
schleps.

I don't know about you, but I have never punched any of my wives or
girlfriends in the face and knocked them out...no matter how pissed I was at
them and no matter what they did to me.  I have even been told I have anger
issues and I have never done this to anyone...ever.  So no...that is not
normal.  I don't know what twisted world you live in where that is normal,
but if that is, then I don't know what to say.  Using violence against
someone is inexcusable.  It was inexcusable when she did it and it was
inexcusable when he did it.  It doesn't matter if she hit him first or not.
I still think they should both be prosecuted, but I am not privy to the info
prosecutors have and maybe they have a good reason as to why charges against
her were dropped.

-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:31 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ray Rice


Scott, families have a right to privacy as well.
And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent.
SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you live in
if you have never seen this happen?

It doesn't reach the point of hospital visits, or getting knocked out, or
anything of the sort.
There is a difference.

I didn't see anyone accusing Ellen of being a serial abuser when she grabbed
a 9 iron and tried to brain tiger woods with it, then raced after his
fleeing car and smashed the windscreen.

Fact is the wife has spoken out again in a rage and told all the do gooders
, and those that claim they want to "help" her to leave her alone, she isn't
in danger or trouble and doesn't need help. She said that she and Rice had
issues, and they worked them out and are working them out, and all the
public and media is doing is destroying him and their family.

But I forgot, women are like 12 year old kids who can't make decisions, or
take responsibility for their actions.
This woman in particular needs the media, you and the rest of the world to
tell her what to do, and what to think, and how to behave since you have all
labelled her a broken battered person who needs the state to care for her.

I find that offensive.
Because you have zero information to support that position, so far no one
does.

No one has respected this woman, her rights or her privacy.
She and Rice have been used for ratings and to make money. Their situation
has been exploited.

If TMZ wanted to help, they could have quietly called her and spoken to her,
rather than splashed that video for the world to see.
If the NFL wanted to do anything but protect its name and its image they
could have sent people to speak to BOTH of them, trained professionals, to
find out what the hell was going on with its player and his family life.

No one wants to help, and no one cares whether help is needed or not. This
is about money at this point.

And I find it ridiculous that so many are pretending it is about the woman.
It isn't. It never was.

TMZ has just made millions from a domestic dispute between a husband and
wife, and ruined both their lives in the process.

Somehow, this is a win for human and civil rights, the women's rights
movement, a win against domestic violence, and a feel good moment for many
people who can pat themselves on the back and say to themselves "
Yes..Justice has been done" Or " At least this poor woman won't go through
what I went through" (nevermind they have no damned clue if she's going
through anything at all).

Ridiculous.

On 10 September 2014 08:11, Scott Stroz  wrote:

>
> You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't 
> assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially 
> saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she 
> stayed in the kitchen making him sandwiches, non of this would have
happened, right Rick?
>
> Typical, misogynistic bullshit.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth 
>  >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S 
> > action have consequences.
> > Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are 
> > never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in 
> > the world" feminism.
> >
> > I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never 
> > would have struck back.
> >
> > That's a safe bet that I'll take.
> >
> >
> > On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> > > I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that
> > punching
> > > his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the 
> > > situation.
> > >
> > > There i

RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

So all this training we do with our soldiers is just a big waste of time and
money...people can just jump in and naturally do it...gotcha...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 9:16 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


Oh individuals can and are.

I mean a military force capable of doing anything but dying.

Again I just said a real boarder defence force.
On Sep 9, 2014 10:03 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> No one could come here?  So all that screaming and gnashing of teeth 
> about needing to secure our border is bullshit?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 9:01 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> In foreign lands.
>
> No one can come here and I said a full time boarder component.
> On Sep 9, 2014 10:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > The reason we switched away from a militia system is that it could 
> > no longer serve our national defense needs.  You are way behind the 
> > curve man.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 7:33 PM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> >
> >
> > That can come here and do us harm?
> >
> > Not one.
> >
> > A true border defense force and nationwide conscription in militia 
> > in time of need, shared sacrifice and no foreign entanglements.
> > On Sep 9, 2014 8:26 PM, "Rick Faircloth" 
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Why in the world would you want to "shut down the standing army",
> Scout?
> > >
> > > Do  you not think this nation has enemy against which we must be 
> > > ready to defend ourselves?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/9/2014 7:21 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
> > > > You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part.
> > > >
> > > > That has nothing to do with this point.
> > > > On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, "Maureen"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-under
> > > gr
> > > ou
> > > nd-economy.html
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less 
> > > >> than in other programs.  It baffled me that people get so upset 
> > > >> about food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the 
> > > >> weapons or financial industries.  Methinks the priorities are
skewed.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout 
> wrote:
> > > >>> And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program 
> > > >>> is corrupt
> > > >> as
> > > >>> hell.  These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban 
> > > >>> experience as
> > > >> to
> > > >>> be ridiculous.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Right...smh

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 9:16 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


Oh individuals can and are.

I mean a military force capable of doing anything but dying.

Again I just said a real boarder defence force.
On Sep 9, 2014 10:03 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> No one could come here?  So all that screaming and gnashing of teeth 
> about needing to secure our border is bullshit?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 9:01 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> In foreign lands.
>
> No one can come here and I said a full time boarder component.
> On Sep 9, 2014 10:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > The reason we switched away from a militia system is that it could 
> > no longer serve our national defense needs.  You are way behind the 
> > curve man.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 7:33 PM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> >
> >
> > That can come here and do us harm?
> >
> > Not one.
> >
> > A true border defense force and nationwide conscription in militia 
> > in time of need, shared sacrifice and no foreign entanglements.
> > On Sep 9, 2014 8:26 PM, "Rick Faircloth" 
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Why in the world would you want to "shut down the standing army",
> Scout?
> > >
> > > Do  you not think this nation has enemy against which we must be 
> > > ready to defend ourselves?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/9/2014 7:21 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
> > > > You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part.
> > > >
> > > > That has nothing to do with this point.
> > > > On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, "Maureen"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-under
> > > gr
> > > ou
> > > nd-economy.html
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less 
> > > >> than in other programs.  It baffled me that people get so upset 
> > > >> about food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the 
> > > >> weapons or financial industries.  Methinks the priorities are
skewed.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout 
> wrote:
> > > >>> And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program 
> > > >>> is corrupt
> > > >> as
> > > >>> hell.  These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban 
> > > >>> experience as
> > > >> to
> > > >>> be ridiculous.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

No one could come here?  So all that screaming and gnashing of teeth about
needing to secure our border is bullshit?

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 9:01 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


In foreign lands.

No one can come here and I said a full time boarder component.
On Sep 9, 2014 10:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> The reason we switched away from a militia system is that it could no 
> longer serve our national defense needs.  You are way behind the curve 
> man.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 7:33 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> That can come here and do us harm?
>
> Not one.
>
> A true border defense force and nationwide conscription in militia in 
> time of need, shared sacrifice and no foreign entanglements.
> On Sep 9, 2014 8:26 PM, "Rick Faircloth"  wrote:
>
> >
> > Why in the world would you want to "shut down the standing army", Scout?
> >
> > Do  you not think this nation has enemy against which we must be 
> > ready to defend ourselves?
> >
> >
> > On 9/9/2014 7:21 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
> > > You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part.
> > >
> > > That has nothing to do with this point.
> > > On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, "Maureen"  wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-undergr
> > ou
> > nd-economy.html
> > >>
> > >> Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than 
> > >> in other programs.  It baffled me that people get so upset about 
> > >> food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or 
> > >> financial industries.  Methinks the priorities are skewed.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
> > >>> And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is 
> > >>> corrupt
> > >> as
> > >>> hell.  These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban 
> > >>> experience as
> > >> to
> > >>> be ridiculous.
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Ray Rice

[Eric Roberts]

I don't think he was ever the victim.

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 8:11 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ray Rice


I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving you
to much credit.

I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would ever
consider.

To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread
started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am
flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It just
does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - apparently,
I am not the only one.

I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being
punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in danger.
His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the
victim?
 On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec"  wrote:

>
> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child?
> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility 
> for their actions, and know right from wrong?
>
> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, it 
> means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and 
> they had a stronger case against him.
>
> On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz  wrote:
>
> >
> > Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later
dropped.
> > He was then charged with aggravated assault.
> >
> > I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys
> think
> > they were also 'looking for trouble'?
> >
>
>
> 



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RE: Ray Rice

[Eric Roberts]

I didn't see that part.  I just saw the initial video.  I am not a sports
fan, so I didn't look much after that.  There is probably more that we
didn't see on the video since they dropped the charges against her.

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 7:47 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Ray Rice


Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped.
He was then charged with aggravated assault.

I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys think
they were also 'looking for trouble'?
On Sep 9, 2014 8:13 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> Personally I think they should both be castigated for using violence.  
> I don't know if I would necessarily call her a victim...she looks like 
> she was able to beat the crap out of him in return...not to excuse 
> what he did...both should have assault charges filed.  Unless it can 
> be shown that she was purely defending herself...that is the standard 
> that police use.
> If
> both parties are hitting each other...both parties get arrested to 
> sort it out.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:35 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Ray Rice
>
>
> Days...
> On Sep 9, 2014 7:33 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/09/nfl-commissioner-goodell-does-
> > no t-rule -out-ray-rice-return-to-football-he-has-paid-the-price/
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:55 PM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: Ray Rice
> >
> >
> > No, Scott, I'm not saying that. I said only what I said. Stop 
> > inferring from my remarks.
> >
> > I said a man has a right to defend himself if attacked by a woman. I 
> > would not even hit my wife if she were to slap me. However, if a 
> > stranger, even a woman, appeared to me to be a mortal threat, the
> stranger
> would be shot.
> > For
> > instance, if she came at me with a knife or a gun, she would be shot.
> > I'm not going to take the chance of getting killed to avoid shooting
> someone.
> > She attacked and provoked a response. What should I do? Just allow 
> > her to kill me?
> >
> > But, concerning dressing provocatively:  didn't you say you have 
> > daughters, Scott?
> > Do you want them to go out in public dressed provocatively? If not, 
> > why not?
> >
> >
> > On 9/9/2014 4:08 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> > > Are you saying Ray Rice was 'defending' himself when he knocked 
> > > his
> > fiance
> > > unconscious? Because..it sure does seem that way.
> > >
> > > As has been pointed out in the thread, the issue for most is one 
> > > of proportional response. Would you feel he had a right to defend 
> > > himself by shooting her? According to you , he was being 
> > > assaulted, and, following your 'logic' he should be bale to 
> > > respond how he sees
> fit, right?
> > >
> > > I know you cannot see it (or refuse to admit it), but by saying 
> > > 'she was asking for trouble' you are blaming her for what happened 
> > > and in the process condoning his actions. Just like when people 
> > > say, 'look at how
> > she
> > > was dressed..she was asking for trouble' after a woman gets raped.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Rick Faircloth 
> > >  > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> No, because a woman's right to dress provocatively does not allow 
> > >> a man
> > the
> > >> right to rape her.
> > >>
> > >> However, a woman's assault on a man does allow a man the right to 
> > >> defend himself.
> > >>
> > >> In the same way, a man's sexual assault of a woman entitles her 
> > >> to defend herself.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 9/9/2014 3:10 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> > >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Rick Faircloth <
> > >> r...@whitestonemedia.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> No, asshole, it reeks of "she was asking for trouble."
> > >>>>
> > >>> When a woman is raped would you say the same if she was dressed 
> > >>> provocatively?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

The reason we switched away from a militia system is that it could no longer
serve our national defense needs.  You are way behind the curve man.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 7:33 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


That can come here and do us harm?

Not one.

A true border defense force and nationwide conscription in militia in time
of need, shared sacrifice and no foreign entanglements.
On Sep 9, 2014 8:26 PM, "Rick Faircloth"  wrote:

>
> Why in the world would you want to "shut down the standing army", Scout?
>
> Do  you not think this nation has enemy against which we must be ready 
> to defend ourselves?
>
>
> On 9/9/2014 7:21 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
> > You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part.
> >
> > That has nothing to do with this point.
> > On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, "Maureen"  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-undergrou
> nd-economy.html
> >>
> >> Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in 
> >> other programs.  It baffled me that people get so upset about food 
> >> stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or 
> >> financial industries.  Methinks the priorities are skewed.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
> >>> And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is 
> >>> corrupt
> >> as
> >>> hell.  These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban 
> >>> experience as
> >> to
> >>> be ridiculous.
> >>
> >
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Twice even...looking to see if the sky is falling...

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 7:26 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


What!? I agree with Eric! So it ain't so!


On 9/9/2014 8:09 PM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> That wouldn't be very practical.  I am all for force reductions...but 
> I don't think getting rid of the standing army would be very good for 
> our defense.  That would leave us pretty defenseless.  It's not like 
> we would be fighting against a bunch of guys with muskets and 
> cannons...we need to have the skilled soldiers that today's technology
requires.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:22 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part.
>
> That has nothing to do with this point.
> On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, "Maureen"  wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-undergro
>> u
>> nd-economy.html
>>
>> Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in 
>> other programs.  It baffled me that people get so upset about food 
>> stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial 
>> industries.  Methinks the priorities are skewed.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
>>> And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is 
>>> corrupt
>> as
>>> hell.  These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience 
>>> as
>> to
>>> be ridiculous.
>>
>
>
> 



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RE: Ray Rice

[Eric Roberts]

Personally I think they should both be castigated for using violence.  I
don't know if I would necessarily call her a victim...she looks like she was
able to beat the crap out of him in return...not to excuse what he
did...both should have assault charges filed.  Unless it can be shown that
she was purely defending herself...that is the standard that police use.  If
both parties are hitting each other...both parties get arrested to sort it
out.  

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:35 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Ray Rice


Days...
On Sep 9, 2014 7:33 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
>
> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/09/nfl-commissioner-goodell-does-no
> t-rule -out-ray-rice-return-to-football-he-has-paid-the-price/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:55 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Ray Rice
>
>
> No, Scott, I'm not saying that. I said only what I said. Stop 
> inferring from my remarks.
>
> I said a man has a right to defend himself if attacked by a woman. I 
> would not even hit my wife if she were to slap me. However, if a 
> stranger, even a woman, appeared to me to be a mortal threat, the stranger
would be shot.
> For
> instance, if she came at me with a knife or a gun, she would be shot. 
> I'm not going to take the chance of getting killed to avoid shooting
someone.
> She attacked and provoked a response. What should I do? Just allow her 
> to kill me?
>
> But, concerning dressing provocatively:  didn't you say you have 
> daughters, Scott?
> Do you want them to go out in public dressed provocatively? If not, 
> why not?
>
>
> On 9/9/2014 4:08 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> > Are you saying Ray Rice was 'defending' himself when he knocked his
> fiance
> > unconscious? Because..it sure does seem that way.
> >
> > As has been pointed out in the thread, the issue for most is one of 
> > proportional response. Would you feel he had a right to defend 
> > himself by shooting her? According to you , he was being assaulted, 
> > and, following your 'logic' he should be bale to respond how he sees
fit, right?
> >
> > I know you cannot see it (or refuse to admit it), but by saying 'she 
> > was asking for trouble' you are blaming her for what happened and in 
> > the process condoning his actions. Just like when people say, 'look 
> > at how
> she
> > was dressed..she was asking for trouble' after a woman gets raped.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Rick Faircloth 
> >  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> No, because a woman's right to dress provocatively does not allow a 
> >> man
> the
> >> right to rape her.
> >>
> >> However, a woman's assault on a man does allow a man the right to 
> >> defend himself.
> >>
> >> In the same way, a man's sexual assault of a woman entitles her to 
> >> defend herself.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/9/2014 3:10 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Rick Faircloth <
> >> r...@whitestonemedia.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> No, asshole, it reeks of "she was asking for trouble."
> >>>>
> >>> When a woman is raped would you say the same if she was dressed 
> >>> provocatively?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

That wouldn't be very practical.  I am all for force reductions...but I
don't think getting rid of the standing army would be very good for our
defense.  That would leave us pretty defenseless.  It's not like we would be
fighting against a bunch of guys with muskets and cannons...we need to have
the skilled soldiers that today's technology requires.

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From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:22 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part.

That has nothing to do with this point.
On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, "Maureen"  wrote:

>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-undergrou
> nd-economy.html
>
> Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in 
> other programs.  It baffled me that people get so upset about food 
> stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial 
> industries.  Methinks the priorities are skewed.
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
> >
> > And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is 
> > corrupt
> as
> > hell.  These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience 
> > as
> to
> > be ridiculous.
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Exactly...or all of the corporate welfare that goes to multi-billion dollar
corporations...

-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:20 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-underground-eco
nomy.html

Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in other
programs.  It baffled me that people get so upset about food stamp fraud but
won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial industries.  Methinks
the priorities are skewed.

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
>
> And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is 
> corrupt as hell.  These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban 
> experience as to be ridiculous.



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Yes it is, unless you just ignore history.  

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:07 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


That's not the government's job or concern.
On Sep 9, 2014 6:51 PM, "Vivec"  wrote:

>
> Allowing people to just survive doesn't help them escape poverty.
> What actually seems to make a difference is giving them money to lift 
> them out of poverty.
>
>
> http://www.economist.com/news/international/21588385-giving-money-dire
> ctly-poor-people-works-surprisingly-well-it-cannot-deal
>
> On 9 September 2014 18:45, Rick Faircloth 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > My concern was mostly over long-term dependency abuse:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/06/confronting-the-unsus
> tainable-growth-of-welfare-entitlements-principles-of-reform-and-the-n
> ext-steps?query=Confronting+the+Unsustainable+Growth+of+Welfare+Entitl
> ements:+Principles+of+Reform+and+the+Next+Step#_ftn12
> >
> > Food Stamp Expenditures Go To Those With Long-Term Dependence
> >
> > Percent of Total Food Stamp Spending for Non-Elderly Adults and 
> > Children, 1979-1998
> >
> >3.4%   - Less Than 1 Year of Dependency
> >6.2%   - 1 to 2 Years of Dependency
> >20.8% - 2 to 5 Years of Dependency
> >28.9% - 5 to 10 Years of Dependency
> >40.8% - 10+ Years of Dependency
> >
> >
>
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Blah blah blah blahseriously Tim...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:15 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


You can't get honesty out of any government agency.  There's a new report of
some abuse even crime every day.

For Christ sake the CIA Judd got busted out spying on senators doing their
oversight.

IRS and DOJ are out of control

What planet do you live on
On Sep 9, 2014 6:53 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> Yeah...because there aren't a bunch of people still out of work and 
> unable to pay for food...right Tim...keep up the paranoia 
> brother...show me the proof...not just a paranoid I just know it is...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:03 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is 
> corrupt as hell.  These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban 
> experience as to be ridiculous.
> On Sep 9, 2014 6:01 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > LOL...most of those are not internal numbers...
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:34 PM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
> >
> >
> > The comment was in relation to internal government studies and self 
> > oversight.
> >
> > Those numbers are a joke.
> > On Sep 9, 2014 5:24 PM, "Eric Roberts"
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Some VA's do Tim...but this has nothing to do with welfare
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:52 PM
> > > To: cf-community
> > > Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
> > >
> > >
> > > And the VA provides the best health services in the world..
> > > On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, "Eric Roberts"
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim...
> > > >
> > > > 8.7% BTW...that is not many...
> > > >
> > > > http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html
> > > >
> > > > Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud...
> > > >
> > > > http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfa
> > > > re
> > > > /
> > > >
> > > > Here's another that says its 2-3%
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-wel
> > > > fa
> > > > re
> > > > -f
> > > > raud-c
> > > > osting-us
> > > >
> > > > Here's another at 2%
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfar
> > > > e-
> > > > fr
> > > > au
> > > > d-in-t
> > > > he-usa/
> > > >
> > > > Sounds to me like it is more like some than many.  Yes ther are 
> > > > people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the 
> > > > people are not abusing it and are people that really need it.
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM
> > > > To: cf-community
> > > > Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric.
> > > >
> > > > Provide the quote.
> > > >
> > > > (And by the way, your "some...yes...many...no" response doesn't 
> > > > line up with my questions and makes little sense.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> > > > > Some...yes...many...no.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM
> > > > > To: cf-community
> > > > >

RE: Ray Rice

[Eric Roberts]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/09/nfl-commissioner-goodell-does-not-rule
-out-ray-rice-return-to-football-he-has-paid-the-price/

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:55 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ray Rice


No, Scott, I'm not saying that. I said only what I said. Stop inferring from
my remarks.

I said a man has a right to defend himself if attacked by a woman. I would
not even hit my wife if she were to slap me. However, if a stranger, even a
woman, appeared to me to be a mortal threat, the stranger would be shot. For
instance, if she came at me with a knife or a gun, she would be shot. I'm
not going to take the chance of getting killed to avoid shooting someone.
She attacked and provoked a response. What should I do? Just allow her to
kill me?

But, concerning dressing provocatively:  didn't you say you have daughters,
Scott?
Do you want them to go out in public dressed provocatively? If not, why not?


On 9/9/2014 4:08 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Are you saying Ray Rice was 'defending' himself when he knocked his fiance
> unconscious? Because..it sure does seem that way.
>
> As has been pointed out in the thread, the issue for most is one of
> proportional response. Would you feel he had a right to defend himself by
> shooting her? According to you , he was being assaulted, and, following
> your 'logic' he should be bale to respond how he sees fit, right?
>
> I know you cannot see it (or refuse to admit it), but by saying 'she was
> asking for trouble' you are blaming her for what happened and in the
> process condoning his actions. Just like when people say, 'look at how she
> was dressed..she was asking for trouble' after a woman gets raped.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Rick Faircloth 
> wrote:
>
>> No, because a woman's right to dress provocatively does not allow a man
the
>> right to rape her.
>>
>> However, a woman's assault on a man does allow a man the right to defend
>> himself.
>>
>> In the same way, a man's sexual assault of a woman entitles her to
>> defend herself.
>>
>>
>> On 9/9/2014 3:10 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Rick Faircloth <
>> r...@whitestonemedia.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 No, asshole, it reeks of "she was asking for trouble."

>>> When a woman is raped would you say the same if she was dressed
>>> provocatively?
>>>
>>
>>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Yeah...because there aren't a bunch of people still out of work and unable
to pay for food...right Tim...keep up the paranoia brother...show me the
proof...not just a paranoid I just know it is...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:03 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as
hell.  These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to
be ridiculous.
On Sep 9, 2014 6:01 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> LOL...most of those are not internal numbers...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:34 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> The comment was in relation to internal government studies and self 
> oversight.
>
> Those numbers are a joke.
> On Sep 9, 2014 5:24 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Some VA's do Tim...but this has nothing to do with welfare
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:52 PM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
> >
> >
> > And the VA provides the best health services in the world..
> > On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, "Eric Roberts"
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim...
> > >
> > > 8.7% BTW...that is not many...
> > >
> > > http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html
> > >
> > > Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud...
> > >
> > > http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare
> > > /
> > >
> > > Here's another that says its 2-3%
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfa
> > > re
> > > -f
> > > raud-c
> > > osting-us
> > >
> > > Here's another at 2%
> > >
> > >
> > > http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare-
> > > fr
> > > au
> > > d-in-t
> > > he-usa/
> > >
> > > Sounds to me like it is more like some than many.  Yes ther are 
> > > people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the 
> > > people are not abusing it and are people that really need it.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM
> > > To: cf-community
> > > Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> > >
> > >
> > > Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric.
> > >
> > > Provide the quote.
> > >
> > > (And by the way, your "some...yes...many...no" response doesn't 
> > > line up with my questions and makes little sense.)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> > > > Some...yes...many...no.
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM
> > > > To: cf-community
> > > > Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong.
> > > > Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that 
> > > > many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> > > >> It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more 
> > > >> welfare than liberals do.  It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, 
> > > >> that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that 
> > > >> would be
> > conservatives.
> > > >>
> > > >> -Original Message-
> > > >> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM
> > > >> To: cf-community
> > > >> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Because they

RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

LOL...most of those are not internal numbers...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:34 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


The comment was in relation to internal government studies and self
oversight.

Those numbers are a joke.
On Sep 9, 2014 5:24 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> Some VA's do Tim...but this has nothing to do with welfare
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:52 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> And the VA provides the best health services in the world..
> On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim...
> >
> > 8.7% BTW...that is not many...
> >
> > http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html
> >
> > Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud...
> >
> > http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare/
> >
> > Here's another that says its 2-3%
> >
> >
> > http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfare
> > -f
> > raud-c
> > osting-us
> >
> > Here's another at 2%
> >
> >
> > http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare-fr
> > au
> > d-in-t
> > he-usa/
> >
> > Sounds to me like it is more like some than many.  Yes ther are 
> > people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the 
> > people are not abusing it and are people that really need it.
> >
> > Eric
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> >
> >
> > Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric.
> >
> > Provide the quote.
> >
> > (And by the way, your "some...yes...many...no" response doesn't line 
> > up with my questions and makes little sense.)
> >
> >
> > On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> > > Some...yes...many...no.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM
> > > To: cf-community
> > > Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> > >
> > >
> > > I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. 
> > > Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that 
> > > many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> > >> It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare 
> > >> than liberals do.  It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that 
> > >> liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be
> conservatives.
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM
> > >> To: cf-community
> > >> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by 
> > >> the loss of our industrial sector.
> > >> On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, "Eric Roberts"
> > >> 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs 
> > >>> are conservatives?  Red states consume more way more welfare 
> > >>> dollars than blue states do.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM
> > >>> To: cf-community
> > >>> Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Let's start with 'personal responsibility'.
> > >>>
> > >>> Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to 
> > >>> the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William

RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Some VA's do Tim...but this has nothing to do with welfare

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:52 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


And the VA provides the best health services in the world..
On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim...
>
> 8.7% BTW...that is not many...
>
> http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html
>
> Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud...
>
> http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare/
>
> Here's another that says its 2-3%
>
>
> http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfare-f
> raud-c
> osting-us
>
> Here's another at 2%
>
>
> http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare-frau
> d-in-t
> he-usa/
>
> Sounds to me like it is more like some than many.  Yes ther are people 
> abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not 
> abusing it and are people that really need it.
>
> Eric
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric.
>
> Provide the quote.
>
> (And by the way, your "some...yes...many...no" response doesn't line 
> up with my questions and makes little sense.)
>
>
> On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> > Some...yes...many...no.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> >
> >
> > I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can 
> > you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on 
> > the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric?
> >
> >
> > On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> >> It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare 
> >> than liberals do.  It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that 
> >> liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be
conservatives.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM
> >> To: cf-community
> >> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
> >>
> >>
> >> Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by 
> >> the loss of our industrial sector.
> >> On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, "Eric Roberts"
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are 
> >>> conservatives?  Red states consume more way more welfare dollars 
> >>> than blue states do.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM
> >>> To: cf-community
> >>> Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Let's start with 'personal responsibility'.
> >>>
> >>> Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the 
> >>> point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote:
> >>>> mmm... excellent bogeymen all...
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your 
> >>>> "American values?"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common
threads.
> >>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, "William Bowen" 
> >>>>> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not 
> >>>>>>> surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it.
> >>>>>> And what precisely, pray tell, are these "American values"?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that 
> >>>>>> would just be unacceptable."
> >>>>>> - Carrie Fisher
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim...

8.7% BTW...that is not many...

http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html

Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud...

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare/

Here's another that says its 2-3%

http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfare-fraud-c
osting-us

Here's another at 2%

http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare-fraud-in-t
he-usa/

Sounds to me like it is more like some than many.  Yes ther are people
abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not
abusing it and are people that really need it.

Eric
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric.

Provide the quote.

(And by the way, your "some...yes...many...no" response doesn't line up with
my questions and makes little sense.)


On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> Some...yes...many...no.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can 
> you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the 
> welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric?
>
>
> On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote:
>> It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than 
>> liberals do.  It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are 
>> abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>>
>>
>> Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the 
>> loss of our industrial sector.
>> On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, "Eric Roberts"
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are 
>>> conservatives?  Red states consume more way more welfare dollars 
>>> than blue states do.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM
>>> To: cf-community
>>> Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's start with 'personal responsibility'.
>>>
>>> Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the 
>>> point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote:
>>>> mmm... excellent bogeymen all...
>>>>
>>>> Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your 
>>>> "American values?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads.
>>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, "William Bowen" 
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not 
>>>>>>> surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it.
>>>>>> And what precisely, pray tell, are these "American values"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would 
>>>>>> just be unacceptable."
>>>>>> - Carrie Fisher
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Some...yes...many...no.

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you
quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare
rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric?


On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than 
> liberals do.  It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are 
> abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the 
> loss of our industrial sector.
> On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, "Eric Roberts" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are 
>> conservatives?  Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than 
>> blue states do.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
>>
>>
>> Let's start with 'personal responsibility'.
>>
>> Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the 
>> point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population.
>>
>>
>> On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote:
>>> mmm... excellent bogeymen all...
>>>
>>> Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your 
>>> "American values?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads.
>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, "William Bowen" 
>> wrote:
>>>>>> It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not 
>>>>>> surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it.
>>>>> And what precisely, pray tell, are these "American values"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> will
>>>>>
>>>>> "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would 
>>>>> just be unacceptable."
>>>>> - Carrie Fisher
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Only conservatives include Social Security in welfare...so no...that is not
part of that number.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:33 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


The inclusion of social security next to welfare inflates the number to
prove your point is what I'm saying.
On Sep 9, 2014 1:15 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than 
> liberals do.  It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are 
> abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the 
> loss of our industrial sector.
> On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, "Eric Roberts" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are 
> > conservatives?  Red states consume more way more welfare dollars 
> > than blue states do.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> >
> >
> > Let's start with 'personal responsibility'.
> >
> > Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the 
> > point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population.
> >
> >
> > On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote:
> > > mmm... excellent bogeymen all...
> > >
> > > Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your 
> > > "American values?"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads.
> > >> On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, "William Bowen" 
> > >> 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not 
> > >>>> surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it.
> > >>> And what precisely, pray tell, are these "American values"?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> will
> > >>>
> > >>> "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would 
> > >>> just be unacceptable."
> > >>> - Carrie Fisher
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than
liberals do.  It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing
the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss
of our industrial sector.
On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are 
> conservatives?  Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than 
> blue states do.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> Let's start with 'personal responsibility'.
>
> Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the 
> point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population.
>
>
> On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote:
> > mmm... excellent bogeymen all...
> >
> > Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your 
> > "American values?"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout  wrote:
> >
> >> Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads.
> >> On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, "William Bowen" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not 
> >>>> surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it.
> >>> And what precisely, pray tell, are these "American values"?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> will
> >>>
> >>> "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would 
> >>> just be unacceptable."
> >>> - Carrie Fisher
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are
conservatives?  Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue
states do.

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


Let's start with 'personal responsibility'.

Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that
welfare is now a way of life for half our population.


On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote:
> mmm... excellent bogeymen all...
>
> Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your 
> "American values?"
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout  wrote:
>
>> Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads.
>> On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, "William Bowen"  wrote:
>>
 It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender 
 this nation to those who would only destroy it.
>>> And what precisely, pray tell, are these "American values"?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> will
>>>
>>> "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would 
>>> just be unacceptable."
>>> - Carrie Fisher
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Yeah he "ran" as a compassionate conservative...but that was where that
ended.  Compassionate conservative is an oxymoron.

So those who have more money pay more money...so?

I can't find anything comparing Holder to other DOJ's...if you have some
links...

Yeah...as I said...he is liberal on the social issues for the most part, but
everything else, he has pretty much continued Bush policies.  It's been a
major bone of contention amongst my fellow progressives.

There really hasn't been a whole done in regards to income
redistribution...that is a conservative boogeyman and Fox news seems to like
to throw out there, but I really don't see a whole lot going on in that
area.  Welfare services have been cut back when they were needed the most.
The only income redistribution that has really been going on is for the rich
and all of the new tax breaks/continuation of old ones that were supposed to
expire.  We have tons of money for tax breaks, but yet we have to cut food
stamps and military pay?  That is a Bush move...

The federal government is smaller under Obama than it was under any other
president...

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/09/has-government-employment-really-increased-
under-obama/
http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=a4602806-9a56-4980-91fd-71334748a79b
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-governm
ent-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/


-Original Message-
From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 11:17 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

> He pretty much continued all of Bush's policies.  The only liberal 
> part of his polices has been what the has done for the LGBTQ Community 
> and maybe the equal pay for women bills.  Other than that, he turned 
> out to be not much different than Bush, with the exception of being a 
> bit more prudent about sending our troops into harm's way.
>

For some things you're absolutely right... I found this a funny compilation
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/things-democrats-would-have-freaked-out
-about-if-bush-had-do#289ccxl

* HOWEVER *
Bush ran as a "compassionate conservative" for the 2000 election... I don't
recall if his tone changed in 2004 but then again I don't think it had to
given his competition.

Why I still call BS even though some policies have continued under Obama:
* The Affordable Care Act - This is a taxpayer funded healthcare management
system that requires Americans to purchase a product or be penalized by a
federal agency.  It further directs and defines services provided to
americans and mandates employer level contributions to plans.  It also
creates penalties for high-end "cadillac" plans and increases FICA medicare
taxes for those that make above a certain level (there is a 0.09% FICA
Medicare surcharge for those making in excess of $200,000).  All these
combine to create a larger federal governmental structure that is stronger
and more insinuated in the daily lives of citizens.
* The actions of Eric Holder - The Holder Department of Justice has been
more litigious than any that I can recall
* Ardent support of policy changes for social issues such as minimum wage,
abortion (including parental consent) and LGBT issues (yeah, I know you
mentioned that).
* Speeches that directly support income redistribution

There are more but unfortunately I have to end it there due to the time.
 My point is this:  It's not in his similarity to Bush that makes him a
"moderate conservative" (wow, there's a term that doesn't exist) but in the
actions he has taken to directly grow the size of the federal government,
create dependencies on it and lessen the power of the individual states
through the same fiscal tactics that brought about the 55 mile per hour
speed limit.  Those are not conservative goals or ideals, they are the
opposite.


Until Later!
C. Hatton Humphrey
http://www.eastcoastconservative.com

Every cloud does have a silver lining.  Sometimes you just have to do some
smelting to find it.




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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

False...
http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2014/02/06/how-the-media-went-wrong-on-the-cbo-obamacare-report/

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:33 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


*Health-care law will prompt over 2 million to quit jobs or cut hours, a CBO 
report says*

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/cbo-botched-health-care-law-rollout-will-reduce-signups-by-1-million-people/2014/02/04/c78577d0-8dac-11e3-98ab-fe5228217bd1_story.html

100 Unintended Consequences of
<http://m.nationalreview.com/article/359861/100-unintended-consequences-obamacare-andrew-johnson>
Obamacare
<http://m.nationalreview.com/article/359861/100-unintended-consequences-obamacare-andrew-johnson>

Companies, workers, retirees, students, and spouses all suffer from the 
law’s inflexible mandates.
On Sep 8, 2014 11:28 PM, "LRS Scout"  wrote:

> I said no such thing
> On Sep 8, 2014 11:27 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Weren't you also saying that the ACA mandated chips to be implanted 
>> in everyone?  See the pattern here...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:21 PM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>>
>>
>> minimally-invasive neurotechnologies
>> On Sep 8, 2014 11:19 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Outside of nutcase websites, I don't see anything referring to 
>> > brain implants...
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:05 PM
>> > To: cf-community
>> > Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>> >
>> >
>> > Dude I shit you not it's in the Whitehouse site and they themselves 
>> > emailed me about it:
>> >
>> >
>> > http://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/26/fact-sheet-pres
>> > ide nt-obama-announces-new-executive-actions-fulfill-our-p
>> >
>> > *Continuing our Commitment to Improve Treatments for Mental Health 
>> > Conditions including PTSD. *In support of the National Research 
>> > Action Plan on military and veteran’s mental health, the 
>> > DoD 
>> > and the National Institutes of Health are launching a longitudinal 
>> > project focused on the early detection of suicidality, PTSD, and 
>> > long term effects of TBI, and other related issues in service 
>> > members and veterans. VA is launching a
>> > $34.4 million suicide prevention study involving 1800 veterans at 
>> > 29 VA hospitals. In support of the President’s BRAIN 
>> > Initiative, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) 
>> > is announcing a new $78.9 million research program to develop 
>> > minimally-invasive neurotechnologies that may help treat many diseases, 
>> > including PTSD.
>> > In addition, the White House announced that this fall it will host 
>> > the White House BRAIN conference, including a focus on PTSD and TBI.
>> > On Sep 8, 2014 10:44 PM, "Eric Roberts"
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Obama is hardly a hardcore liberal...he is a moderate 
>> > > conservative at
>> > best.
>> > > Brain implant chips?  Seriously Tim?
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
>> > > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:08 PM
>> > > To: cf-community
>> > > Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > There is a hardcore liberal didn't running roughshod over the 
>> > > consortium in the white house right now.
>> > >
>> > > Have you seem some I'd the attempted gun control legislation?
>> > >
>> > > Don't forget chairman Obama's recent decree to give vets brain 
>> > > implant chips, which it turns out haven't even been human tested yet.
>> > >
>> > > In post racial America we can.t have another Tuskegee, so we'll 
>> > > go to the new second class for test subjects.
>> > >
>> > > I mean dangerous veterans should be controlled.
>> > >
>> > > If they think after paxil and larium and anthrax and small pox, 
>> > > a

RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

That doesn't sound so horrible...it sounds like it can do a lot of good.
Like Judah said...any tech is open to abuse...but to say this is a horrible
thing is a bit overly paranoid.  Again, not surprised coming from Tim.

-Original Message-
From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:01 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

> Obama is hardly a hardcore liberal...he is a moderate conservative at
best.
>

I'm curious, what policy or stance would you use to put him in that
category?


> Brain implant chips?  Seriously Tim?
>

I thought Tim was a bit off with that until I searched it.  There's a DARPA
research grant for it:
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/527561/military-funds-brain-computer-in
terfaces-to-control-feelings/

There's also another grant researching one specifically for TBI
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/11/5888687/Darpa-RAM-project-memory-chip-neural-pr
osthetics-TBI


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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

He pretty much continued all of Bush's policies.  The only liberal part of
his polices has been what the has done for the LGBTQ Community and maybe the
equal pay for women bills.  Other than that, he turned out to be not much
different than Bush, with the exception of being a bit more prudent about
sending our troops into harm's way.

I was trying to find what he was talking about and the only stuff I saw were
on the usual tinfoil hat nutjob sites.  I will check those out...

Eric

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From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:01 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

> Obama is hardly a hardcore liberal...he is a moderate conservative at
best.
>

I'm curious, what policy or stance would you use to put him in that
category?


> Brain implant chips?  Seriously Tim?
>

I thought Tim was a bit off with that until I searched it.  There's a DARPA
research grant for it:
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/527561/military-funds-brain-computer-in
terfaces-to-control-feelings/

There's also another grant researching one specifically for TBI
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/11/5888687/Darpa-RAM-project-memory-chip-neural-pr
osthetics-TBI


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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Weren't you also saying that the ACA mandated chips to be implanted in
everyone?  See the pattern here...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:21 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


minimally-invasive neurotechnologies
On Sep 8, 2014 11:19 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> Outside of nutcase websites, I don't see anything referring to brain 
> implants...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:05 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> Dude I shit you not it's in the Whitehouse site and they themselves 
> emailed me about it:
>
>
> http://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/26/fact-sheet-preside
> nt-obama-announces-new-executive-actions-fulfill-our-p
>
> *Continuing our Commitment to Improve Treatments for Mental Health 
> Conditions including PTSD. *In support of the National Research Action 
> Plan on military and veteran’s mental health, the DoD and the 
> National Institutes of Health are launching a longitudinal project 
> focused on the early detection of suicidality, PTSD, and long term 
> effects of TBI, and other related issues in service members and 
> veterans. VA is launching a
> $34.4 million suicide prevention study involving 1800 veterans at 29 
> VA hospitals. In support of the President’s BRAIN Initiative, 
> the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is announcing a 
> new $78.9 million research program to develop minimally-invasive 
> neurotechnologies that may help treat many diseases, including PTSD. 
> In addition, the White House announced that this fall it will host the 
> White House BRAIN conference, including a focus on PTSD and TBI.
> On Sep 8, 2014 10:44 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Obama is hardly a hardcore liberal...he is a moderate conservative 
> > at
> best.
> > Brain implant chips?  Seriously Tim?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:08 PM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> >
> >
> > There is a hardcore liberal didn't running roughshod over the 
> > consortium in the white house right now.
> >
> > Have you seem some I'd the attempted gun control legislation?
> >
> > Don't forget chairman Obama's recent decree to give vets brain 
> > implant chips, which it turns out haven't even been human tested yet.
> >
> > In post racial America we can.t have another Tuskegee, so we'll go 
> > to the new second class for test subjects.
> >
> > I mean dangerous veterans should be controlled.
> >
> > If they think after paxil and larium and anthrax and small pox, and 
> > giving me mrsa that I'm going to let them implant shit in my head.
> > On Sep 8, 2014 9:58 PM, "Judah McAuley"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Rick Faircloth 
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > That's nonsense, Judah... at least the House votes and passes bills.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You mean the double digit votes to "repeal" the Affordable Care Act?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Wouldn't it be smarter for Reid to bring up bills for a vote, 
> > > > pass them (if he could), and then force the House to have to 
> > > > wrestle with a bill?
> > > >
> > >
> > > No, that wouldn't be smarter, for the reasons I already stated.
> > > Please pay attention.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Reid is only trying to protect his senators by making sure they 
> > > > don't have to take a vote, show their stripes, and be held 
> > > > accountable by a public that has soured on all things democrat, 
> > > > including Obama with a 38% approval rating.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Except that Republicans have an even worse (by far) approval 
> > > rating than Democrats.
> > >
> > >
> > > > And the entire reason you have a hard-core Tea Party wing, is 
> > > > that the conservative public got tired of the rampaging 
> > > > hard-core liberals running rough-shod over the country.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I would disagree on the reasons. And when was the last time there 
> > > were r

RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

All I am seeing is about it mapping the human brain in a similar manner to
the genome...so they have a better understanding of how the neural pathways
work.  Jumping to brain chips, while not surprising coming from you, is a
bit extreme.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:21 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


minimally-invasive neurotechnologies
On Sep 8, 2014 11:19 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> Outside of nutcase websites, I don't see anything referring to brain 
> implants...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:05 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> Dude I shit you not it's in the Whitehouse site and they themselves 
> emailed me about it:
>
>
> http://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/26/fact-sheet-preside
> nt-obama-announces-new-executive-actions-fulfill-our-p
>
> *Continuing our Commitment to Improve Treatments for Mental Health 
> Conditions including PTSD. *In support of the National Research Action 
> Plan on military and veteran’s mental health, the DoD and the 
> National Institutes of Health are launching a longitudinal project 
> focused on the early detection of suicidality, PTSD, and long term 
> effects of TBI, and other related issues in service members and 
> veterans. VA is launching a
> $34.4 million suicide prevention study involving 1800 veterans at 29 
> VA hospitals. In support of the President’s BRAIN Initiative, 
> the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is announcing a 
> new $78.9 million research program to develop minimally-invasive 
> neurotechnologies that may help treat many diseases, including PTSD. 
> In addition, the White House announced that this fall it will host the 
> White House BRAIN conference, including a focus on PTSD and TBI.
> On Sep 8, 2014 10:44 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Obama is hardly a hardcore liberal...he is a moderate conservative 
> > at
> best.
> > Brain implant chips?  Seriously Tim?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:08 PM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> >
> >
> > There is a hardcore liberal didn't running roughshod over the 
> > consortium in the white house right now.
> >
> > Have you seem some I'd the attempted gun control legislation?
> >
> > Don't forget chairman Obama's recent decree to give vets brain 
> > implant chips, which it turns out haven't even been human tested yet.
> >
> > In post racial America we can.t have another Tuskegee, so we'll go 
> > to the new second class for test subjects.
> >
> > I mean dangerous veterans should be controlled.
> >
> > If they think after paxil and larium and anthrax and small pox, and 
> > giving me mrsa that I'm going to let them implant shit in my head.
> > On Sep 8, 2014 9:58 PM, "Judah McAuley"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Rick Faircloth 
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > That's nonsense, Judah... at least the House votes and passes bills.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You mean the double digit votes to "repeal" the Affordable Care Act?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Wouldn't it be smarter for Reid to bring up bills for a vote, 
> > > > pass them (if he could), and then force the House to have to 
> > > > wrestle with a bill?
> > > >
> > >
> > > No, that wouldn't be smarter, for the reasons I already stated.
> > > Please pay attention.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Reid is only trying to protect his senators by making sure they 
> > > > don't have to take a vote, show their stripes, and be held 
> > > > accountable by a public that has soured on all things democrat, 
> > > > including Obama with a 38% approval rating.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Except that Republicans have an even worse (by far) approval 
> > > rating than Democrats.
> > >
> > >
> > > > And the entire reason you have a hard-core Tea Party wing, is 
> > > > that the conservative public got tired of the rampaging 
> > > > hard-core liberals running rough-shod over the country.
> > > >

RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

I still haven't seen anything about brain chips...

Wrong on the ACA...nice try though...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:20 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


You're killing me, no apology, no horror at the realization that brain chips
are a real fucking thing?

Who was the ACA good for?  It still hasn't been fully implemented and there
are now LESS people insured, paying more money, and if you can't afford it
you get a fine.

And if you can't see the insane implications if these perverse people with
the ability to read and write minds, then I don't know what to say On Sep 8,
2014 11:16 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> The ACA has not had the opposite effect...it is doing better than 
> expected actually.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:10 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> Social program spending has increased, deficit spending has increased, 
> corruption is rife at all levels of government, how can anyone defend 
> any incumbent anymore?
>
> It's insane.
>
> The ACA had the opposite effect intended.  We're under constant 
> significance, and a county in Florida's just bought six apache attack 
> helicopters, two seats, can't even carry passengers.
>
> Wake up.
> On Sep 8, 2014 11:05 PM, "LRS Scout"  wrote:
>
> > I don't lie and I'm tired of you calling me a liar and not even 
> > reading any of the applicable source I invariably dig up.
> > On Sep 8, 2014 11:04 PM, "LRS Scout"  wrote:
> >
> >> Dude I shit you not it's in the Whitehouse site and they themselves 
> >> emailed me about it:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/26/fact-sheet-pres
> >> id ent-obama-announces-new-executive-actions-fulfill-our-p
> >>
> >> *Continuing our Commitment to Improve Treatments for Mental Health 
> >> Conditions including PTSD. *In support of the National Research 
> >> Action Plan on military and veteran’s mental health, the DoD 
> >> and the National Institutes of Health are launching a longitudinal 
> >> project focused on the early detection of suicidality, PTSD, and 
> >> long term effects of TBI, and other related issues in service 
> >> members and veterans. VA is launching a
> >> $34.4 million suicide prevention study involving 1800 veterans at 
> >> 29 VA hospitals. In support of the President’s BRAIN 
> >> Initiative, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) 
> >> is announcing a new
> >> $78.9 million research program to develop minimally-invasive 
> >> neurotechnologies that may help treat many diseases, including PTSD.
> >> In addition, the White House announced that this fall it will host 
> >> the White House BRAIN conference, including a focus on PTSD and TBI.
> >> On Sep 8, 2014 10:44 PM, "Eric Roberts"
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Obama is hardly a hardcore liberal...he is a moderate conservative 
> >>> at best.
> >>> Brain implant chips?  Seriously Tim?
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:08 PM
> >>> To: cf-community
> >>> Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There is a hardcore liberal didn't running roughshod over the 
> >>> consortium in the white house right now.
> >>>
> >>> Have you seem some I'd the attempted gun control legislation?
> >>>
> >>> Don't forget chairman Obama's recent decree to give vets brain 
> >>> implant chips, which it turns out haven't even been human tested yet.
> >>>
> >>> In post racial America we can.t have another Tuskegee, so we'll go 
> >>> to the new second class for test subjects.
> >>>
> >>> I mean dangerous veterans should be controlled.
> >>>
> >>> If they think after paxil and larium and anthrax and small pox, 
> >>> and giving me mrsa that I'm going to let them implant shit in my 
> >>> head.
> >>> On Sep 8, 2014 9:58 PM, "Judah McAuley"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> &

RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Outside of nutcase websites, I don't see anything referring to brain implants...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:05 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


Dude I shit you not it's in the Whitehouse site and they themselves emailed me 
about it:

http://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/26/fact-sheet-president-obama-announces-new-executive-actions-fulfill-our-p

*Continuing our Commitment to Improve Treatments for Mental Health Conditions 
including PTSD. *In support of the National Research Action Plan on military 
and veteran’s mental health, the DoD and the National Institutes of 
Health are launching a longitudinal project focused on the early detection of 
suicidality, PTSD, and long term effects of TBI, and other related issues in 
service members and veterans. VA is launching a
$34.4 million suicide prevention study involving 1800 veterans at 29 VA 
hospitals. In support of the President’s BRAIN Initiative, the Defense 
Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is announcing a new $78.9 million 
research program to develop minimally-invasive neurotechnologies that may help 
treat many diseases, including PTSD. In addition, the White House announced 
that this fall it will host the White House BRAIN conference, including a focus 
on PTSD and TBI.
On Sep 8, 2014 10:44 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> Obama is hardly a hardcore liberal...he is a moderate conservative at best.
> Brain implant chips?  Seriously Tim?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:08 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
>
>
> There is a hardcore liberal didn't running roughshod over the 
> consortium in the white house right now.
>
> Have you seem some I'd the attempted gun control legislation?
>
> Don't forget chairman Obama's recent decree to give vets brain implant 
> chips, which it turns out haven't even been human tested yet.
>
> In post racial America we can.t have another Tuskegee, so we'll go to 
> the new second class for test subjects.
>
> I mean dangerous veterans should be controlled.
>
> If they think after paxil and larium and anthrax and small pox, and 
> giving me mrsa that I'm going to let them implant shit in my head.
> On Sep 8, 2014 9:58 PM, "Judah McAuley"  wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Rick Faircloth 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > That's nonsense, Judah... at least the House votes and passes bills.
> > >
> >
> > You mean the double digit votes to "repeal" the Affordable Care Act?
> >
> >
> > > Wouldn't it be smarter for Reid to bring up bills for a vote, pass 
> > > them (if he could), and then force the House to have to wrestle 
> > > with a bill?
> > >
> >
> > No, that wouldn't be smarter, for the reasons I already stated. 
> > Please pay attention.
> >
> >
> > > Reid is only trying to protect his senators by making sure they 
> > > don't have to take a vote, show their stripes, and be held 
> > > accountable by a public that has soured on all things democrat, 
> > > including Obama with a 38% approval rating.
> > >
> > >
> > Except that Republicans have an even worse (by far) approval rating 
> > than Democrats.
> >
> >
> > > And the entire reason you have a hard-core Tea Party wing, is that 
> > > the conservative public got tired of the rampaging hard-core 
> > > liberals running rough-shod over the country.
> > >
> > >
> > I would disagree on the reasons. And when was the last time there 
> > were rampaging hard-core liberals running rough shod over the country? FDR?
> >
> >
> > > That now works both ways, too. (Unless Obama and his IRS can 
> > > successfully shut down the conservative groups by hunting them 
> > > down and running them out of
> > > business.)
> > >
> > >
> > Which, of course, was a lie from day one. Please, do tell me which 
> > groups the IRS denied status to, for political or other reasons.
> >
> >
> > > Rick
> >
> >
> > You know, Rick, my wife said to me on election night, "I've never 
> > seen someone so depressed and pissed off when the person they voted 
> > for won". I really don't care for Democrats as a general rule and I 
> > really hated to have to vote for Obama, but you and your ilk, Rick, 
> > make me want to vomit and you are why we can't have a reasonable 
> > political discourse in this country. It makes me sick.
> >
> > Judah
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

The ACA has not had the opposite effect...it is doing better than expected 
actually.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:10 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate


Social program spending has increased, deficit spending has increased, 
corruption is rife at all levels of government, how can anyone defend any 
incumbent anymore?

It's insane.

The ACA had the opposite effect intended.  We're under constant significance, 
and a county in Florida's just bought six apache attack helicopters, two seats, 
can't even carry passengers.

Wake up.
On Sep 8, 2014 11:05 PM, "LRS Scout"  wrote:

> I don't lie and I'm tired of you calling me a liar and not even 
> reading any of the applicable source I invariably dig up.
> On Sep 8, 2014 11:04 PM, "LRS Scout"  wrote:
>
>> Dude I shit you not it's in the Whitehouse site and they themselves 
>> emailed me about it:
>>
>>
>> http://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/26/fact-sheet-presid
>> ent-obama-announces-new-executive-actions-fulfill-our-p
>>
>> *Continuing our Commitment to Improve Treatments for Mental Health 
>> Conditions including PTSD. *In support of the National Research 
>> Action Plan on military and veteran’s mental health, the DoD and 
>> the National Institutes of Health are launching a longitudinal 
>> project focused on the early detection of suicidality, PTSD, and long 
>> term effects of TBI, and other related issues in service members and 
>> veterans. VA is launching a
>> $34.4 million suicide prevention study involving 1800 veterans at 29 
>> VA hospitals. In support of the President’s BRAIN Initiative, the 
>> Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is announcing a new 
>> $78.9 million research program to develop minimally-invasive 
>> neurotechnologies that may help treat many diseases, including PTSD. 
>> In addition, the White House announced that this fall it will host 
>> the White House BRAIN conference, including a focus on PTSD and TBI.
>> On Sep 8, 2014 10:44 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Obama is hardly a hardcore liberal...he is a moderate conservative 
>>> at best.
>>> Brain implant chips?  Seriously Tim?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:08 PM
>>> To: cf-community
>>> Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a hardcore liberal didn't running roughshod over the 
>>> consortium in the white house right now.
>>>
>>> Have you seem some I'd the attempted gun control legislation?
>>>
>>> Don't forget chairman Obama's recent decree to give vets brain 
>>> implant chips, which it turns out haven't even been human tested yet.
>>>
>>> In post racial America we can.t have another Tuskegee, so we'll go 
>>> to the new second class for test subjects.
>>>
>>> I mean dangerous veterans should be controlled.
>>>
>>> If they think after paxil and larium and anthrax and small pox, and 
>>> giving me mrsa that I'm going to let them implant shit in my 
>>> head.
>>> On Sep 8, 2014 9:58 PM, "Judah McAuley"  wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Rick Faircloth 
>>> > 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > That's nonsense, Judah... at least the House votes and passes bills.
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > You mean the double digit votes to "repeal" the Affordable Care Act?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > Wouldn't it be smarter for Reid to bring up bills for a vote, 
>>> > > pass them (if he could), and then force the House to have to 
>>> > > wrestle with a bill?
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > No, that wouldn't be smarter, for the reasons I already stated. 
>>> > Please pay attention.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > Reid is only trying to protect his senators by making sure they 
>>> > > don't have to take a vote, show their stripes, and be held 
>>> > > accountable by a public that has soured on all things democrat, 
>>> > > including Obama with a 38% approval rating.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > Except 

RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Obama is hardly a hardcore liberal...he is a moderate conservative at best.
Brain implant chips?  Seriously Tim?  

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:08 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


There is a hardcore liberal didn't running roughshod over the consortium in
the white house right now.

Have you seem some I'd the attempted gun control legislation?

Don't forget chairman Obama's recent decree to give vets brain implant
chips, which it turns out haven't even been human tested yet.

In post racial America we can.t have another Tuskegee, so we'll go to the
new second class for test subjects.

I mean dangerous veterans should be controlled.

If they think after paxil and larium and anthrax and small pox, and giving
me mrsa that I'm going to let them implant shit in my head.
On Sep 8, 2014 9:58 PM, "Judah McAuley"  wrote:

>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Rick Faircloth 
> 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > That's nonsense, Judah... at least the House votes and passes bills.
> >
>
> You mean the double digit votes to "repeal" the Affordable Care Act?
>
>
> > Wouldn't it be smarter for Reid to bring up bills for a vote, pass 
> > them (if he could), and then force the House to have to wrestle with 
> > a bill?
> >
>
> No, that wouldn't be smarter, for the reasons I already stated. Please 
> pay attention.
>
>
> > Reid is only trying to protect his senators by making sure they 
> > don't have to take a vote, show their stripes, and be held 
> > accountable by a public that has soured on all things democrat, 
> > including Obama with a 38% approval rating.
> >
> >
> Except that Republicans have an even worse (by far) approval rating 
> than Democrats.
>
>
> > And the entire reason you have a hard-core Tea Party wing, is that 
> > the conservative public got tired of the rampaging hard-core 
> > liberals running rough-shod over the country.
> >
> >
> I would disagree on the reasons. And when was the last time there were 
> rampaging hard-core liberals running rough shod over the country? FDR?
>
>
> > That now works both ways, too. (Unless Obama and his IRS can 
> > successfully shut down the conservative groups by hunting them down 
> > and running them out of
> > business.)
> >
> >
> Which, of course, was a lie from day one. Please, do tell me which 
> groups the IRS denied status to, for political or other reasons.
>
>
> > Rick
>
>
> You know, Rick, my wife said to me on election night, "I've never seen 
> someone so depressed and pissed off when the person they voted for 
> won". I really don't care for Democrats as a general rule and I really 
> hated to have to vote for Obama, but you and your ilk, Rick, make me 
> want to vomit and you are why we can't have a reasonable political 
> discourse in this country. It makes me sick.
>
> Judah
>
>
> 



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RE: Democrats set to lose the senate

[Eric Roberts]

Or they don't bring it up at all Rick.  Boehner does the same thing Reid
does...they control what bills come to the floor in their respective houses
and Boehner has not let a lot of what has passed in the senate come to the
house floor.  The Senate just passed a bill tonight that would overturn
Citizen's United.  How much do you want to bet it never gets to a vote on
the house floor?

-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 8:01 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate


The democrats seem to be completely incompetent, although they are up
against a bunch of right wing extremists calling themselves the GOP party.

I just shudder to think what the US will become under a GOP government.

We have already seen what is taking place in Australia under the leadership
of the US right wing.

On 8 September 2014 18:45, Rick Faircloth  wrote:

>
> That's nonsense, Judah... at least the House votes and passes bills.
>
> Wouldn't it be smarter for Reid to bring up bills for a vote, pass 
> them (if he could), and then force the House to have to wrestle with a 
> bill?
>
> Reid is only trying to protect his senators by making sure they don't 
> have to take a vote, show their stripes, and be held accountable by a 
> public that has soured on all things democrat, including Obama with a 
> 38% approval rating.
>
> And the entire reason you have a hard-core Tea Party wing, is that the 
> conservative public got tired of the rampaging hard-core liberals 
> running rough-shod over the country.
>
> Rick
>
>




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RE: The Kennewick Man Finally Freed to Share His Secrets

[Eric Roberts]

Another good article on the broader subject of the peopling of the
Americas...

http://archaeology.org/issues/145-1409/features/2366-peopling-the-americas-p
reclovis

-Original Message-
From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:47 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: The Kennewick Man Finally Freed to Share His Secrets


thanks for that Jerry


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson 
wrote:

>
>
> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/kennewick-man-finally-freed-shar
> e-his-secrets-180952462/?all
>
> Fascinating. Great long-form article on the topic, but really just 
> whets the appetite for the full study to come out.
>
>
> 



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RE: The Kennewick Man Finally Freed to Share His Secrets

[Eric Roberts]

http://www.archaeology.org/news/2471-140827-kennewick-man-analysis

-Original Message-
From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:47 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: The Kennewick Man Finally Freed to Share His Secrets


thanks for that Jerry


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson 
wrote:

>
>
> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/kennewick-man-finally-freed-shar
> e-his-secrets-180952462/?all
>
> Fascinating. Great long-form article on the topic, but really just 
> whets the appetite for the full study to come out.
>
>
> 



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RE: can't start apache after installing and configuring cf 11

[Eric Roberts]

I think it is called apache2.conf now...the latest version of apache changed
it from the httpd.conf file.  Not sure why they did that.  It seems pretty
stupid when theat is such a long standing standard.  It also makes it
difficult to get software to work with apache because most look for httpd
file.  I ended up creating a dynamic link called httpd.conf that linked to
the apache2.conf file.

Eric

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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 5:39 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: can't start apache after installing and configuring cf 11


Start fine after fresh install on new machine.  Installing coldfusion and
configuring the web connector seems to break it.  What weird is that it asks
for the server binary and it has always been httpd from that i remember now
it seems to be apache.  am i looking in the right place?




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RE: RIP Robin Williams...

[Eric Roberts]

Well said Mr President...

"Robin Williams was an airman, a doctor, a genie, a nanny, a president, a
professor, a bangarang Peter Pan, and everything in between. But he was one
of a kind. He arrived in our lives as an alien - but he ended up touching
every element of the human spirit. He made us laugh. He made us cry. He gave
his immeasurable talent freely and generously to those who needed it most -
from our troops stationed abroad to the marginalized on our own streets. The
Obama family offers our condolences to Robin's family, his friends, and
everyone who found their voice and their verse thanks to Robin Williams."

-Barack Obama

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From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:03 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: RIP Robin Williams...


Rest in peace, O, Captain. My Captain.
On Aug 11, 2014 7:46 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> *twisting my ears* Nanoo Nanoo brother...
>
> He died of an apparent suicide. :-(
>
>
> 



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RIP Robin Williams...

[Eric Roberts]

*twisting my ears* Nanoo Nanoo brother...

He died of an apparent suicide. :-(


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RE: Sometimes...

[Eric Roberts]

LOL...my current gig is work from home, so luckily I can sit :-D  Every place 
where I have worked where I am on site, it has been a literal stand up.  It 
just makes me uncomfortable because I am the only one sitting down.  Due to 
injuries to my knees from the military and subsequent damage to my back and 
hips...standing just isn't an option for me.  

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 10:11 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Sometimes...


We do scrum on the phone - should I stand up when it is my turn? :D


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:56 AM, GMoney  wrote:

>
> It's meant to be taken literally, i believe. You want people standing 
> because studies have shown people are more engaged when they are 
> standing up, as opposed to sitting. Also you don't want people getting 
> comfortable.while standing you are more inclined to get to the 
> point so you can get out of there and sit back down.
>
> So, I think it IS meant to be taken literally. It is here. (My team 
> doesn't stand...but we don't do true Agile...we just borrow the parts 
> of it that I can tolerate)
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < 
> zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > yeah, I always thought that was a euphemism…..we just turn our 
> > chairs around and circle up.
> >
> > I think some managers are taking it a little too literally
> >
> > On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Scott Stewart 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Uhmmm that's kind of unnecessary,  we never physically stand at 
> > > our
> stand
> > > ups.
> > > On Aug 5, 2014 10:41 AM, "Eric Roberts" <
> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I also have an issue with this gimmicky stand up crap...way to 
> > >> make a disabled person stand out and feel singled out...i always 
> > >> feel uncomfortable in those because everyone else is standing up 
> > >> and I have to sit down.
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:18 AM
> > >> To: cf-community
> > >> Subject: Re: Sometimes...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Cameron Childress 
> > >>  >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I disagree with this.
> > >>>
> > >>> It's true that sometimes if a client wants something done a 
> > >>> certain way, even if you now it's wrong, you just have to do it.
> > >>>
> > >>> However, if the client is asking me to do something systemically 
> > >>> and fundamentally wrong that will destroy my soul and make me 
> > >>> want to slowly kill myself by eating glass shards... Those 
> > >>> things I will not
> > do.
> > >>>
> > >>> You are the only person in control of your destiny.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I love ya Cam, but that's a little melodramatic. I'm not talking 
> > >> about contract killings here...just clients who want to 
> > >> attend my daily standups.
> > >>
> > >> Annoying, non-Agilebut not exactly soul crushing :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: Sometimes...

[Eric Roberts]

Every place I have worked at, they stand up

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:webmas...@sstwebworks.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 9:44 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Sometimes...


Uhmmm that's kind of unnecessary,  we never physically stand at our stand
ups.
On Aug 5, 2014 10:41 AM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> I also have an issue with this gimmicky stand up crap...way to make a 
> disabled person stand out and feel singled out...i always feel 
> uncomfortable in those because everyone else is standing up and I have 
> to sit down.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:18 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Sometimes...
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Cameron Childress 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I disagree with this.
> >
> > It's true that sometimes if a client wants something done a certain 
> > way, even if you now it's wrong, you just have to do it.
> >
> > However, if the client is asking me to do something systemically and 
> > fundamentally wrong that will destroy my soul and make me want to 
> > slowly kill myself by eating glass shards... Those things I will not do.
> >
> > You are the only person in control of your destiny.
> >
>
> I love ya Cam, but that's a little melodramatic. I'm not talking about 
> contract killings here...just clients who want to attend my daily 
> standups.
>
> Annoying, non-Agilebut not exactly soul crushing :)
>
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Sometimes...

[Eric Roberts]

Or even worse being stuck in the endless cycle of contract work...that would
be me.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:51 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Sometimes...


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:17 AM, GMoney wrote:

> Annoying, non-Agilebut not exactly soul crushing :)
>

Then why complain about it? There is this process of corporate
indoctrination that people go through. Eventually you just accept all those
things you hate about it and give up, becoming a part of the broken machine,
beaten down by HR policies and endless meetings, drawing others in with you.
That is when the job has already crushed your soul.

I have no way of knowing if you are in that place now, but I have seen so
many people there. Complaining endlessly about their situation but doing
nothing about it.

Maybe that doesn't apply to you, but I am fairly certain it applies to at
least *someone* on this thread who's complaining about broken Agile.

-Cameron

...




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RE: Sometimes...

[Eric Roberts]

Yeah...it's the promised land for PM and managers because the devs are doing
their job for them.

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:22 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Sometimes...


Well, no.
Scrum is an attempt to apply engineering principles to a historically
unmeasurable process.

and like with baking, or making cement, following the process AS CLOSELY AS
POSSIBLE is the actual purpose.

the client can say "i need a double batch", or "I need it to dry
underwater", but that just directs the team to change the formula, the
client doesn't get to say "add more lyme, and use orange juice instead of
water."

when done well, i have seen it work great. but i usually see a train wreck.

but that is true of all dev methodologies. which is why agile seems like the
promised land for pms and managers.




On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:17 AM, GMoney  wrote:

>
> Uh, the only RIGHT wayis the way the client tells you to do it. 
> Because the only right way, is the way that gets you paid.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Scott Stroz  wrote:
>
> >
> > Hour long 'scrum', regardless of the reason, is doing it wrong.
> >
> > PM should be giving client a briefing based on the daily scrum or if
> client
> > insists on being on call, they should play by the 'rules'.
> >
> > Sounds like client doesn't understand how the daily scrum is 
> > supposed to work and that no one is willing/able to explain it.
> > On Aug 4, 2014 1:10 PM, "GMoney"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > He might be under similar constraints that my project is given. 
> > > The
> > client
> > > deemed our project "essential" and "critical", and they want
> observation
> > > and updates daily.so we are forced to have our clients on the 
> > > phone with us for our daily standups. You can imagine how this 
> > > complicates things.
> > >
> > > Agile scrums can be corrupted just like any other process...we've 
> > > had
> > hour
> > > long stand-ups because the client steers them that way. Eric 
> > > probably
> has
> > > some similar externality that is butchering his Agile purity.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Scott Stroz 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hour scrum?
> > > >
> > > > Yea...you are doing it so very wrong.
> > > >
> > > > If our daily scrum is more than 5 minutes, I get antsy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts < 
> > > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We have an hour meeting every day for our scrum, plus a
> retrospective
> > > > and a
> > > > > scrum panning session during a new sprint.  Those meetings can 
> > > > > go
> up
> > > to 2
> > > > > hrs...I think it is just an excuse for management not to do 
> > > > > it's
> > job...
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 10:41 AM
> > > > > To: cf-community
> > > > > Subject: Re: Sometimes...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Againif you spend that much time in meetings, you are not 
> > > > > doing
> > > > 'agile'
> > > > > correctly.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 8:32 AM, GMoney  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AMEN!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Our shop is going full blown Agile, and the meetings are 
> > > > > > driving
> me
> > > > nuts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website
> > > Solutions
> > > > > > < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > LoL, that is priceles