Re: CSCANSEMA Salve --- VCNO --- progress with eschar
---Original Message--- From: Rowena Date: 12/10/2005 8:22:25 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve --- VCNO --- progress with eschar Yes, please describe it. What is DH's plaster? What salve are you talking about--Cansema? (if Cansema salve, what is your source?) Jill I got the digital camera out to record progress. Got fresh batteries, as they seemed to be dead. Didn't work. Nothing worked. Camera dead. Never mind, got video camera. Recorded four days or so. Video camera now not working. Hah! Cansema salve, yes. From http://www.wholisticanimal.com/ and they get it from http://www.bevanpotter.com/ or http://health.centreforce.com/ who also sell it. Both sell overseas. (From Australia) Plaster is elastoplast on a roll. You just cut off as much as you want. I will describe as best I can. First time I saw it (DH DIH did it himself) it was well and truly covered with salve, and a round portion of the crust had pushed up away from the skin, corresponding to the size of the mole that was there. I cleaned it up, got rid of all the excess crusty salve around the wound, and white and yellow streaks were visible underneath the lid or crust. He had applied far too much, and appled more the next morning - again, unable to see it, as it was on his spine. That night, I had a look at it and saw that the salve-encrusted lid had come away from the cancer. It appeared to have taken the top layer of skin and tumour with it. It was hanging by a tiny thread of skin, but came away as I cleaned up. Cleaned with CS and H2O2. Flesh around wound somewhat red. First time I put vaseline on, next day VCNO. Next day cleaned up with lots of CS and H202. Today looked rather dry, and cracked on top, and rather healed around the edges. No ooze whatsoever. I have put VCNO on the plaster again. I think I will keep using that now until it comes out, then use the healing cream they sent. I have put wedges of cotton wool to try to raise the plaster off the wound slightly, or at least to try to stop the emerging cancer getting squashed back in. Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete
DMSO will do a nice job also for scars. - Original Message - From: grace1...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete Pete: Sorry I have no experience dealing with scarring. Did you try the obvious remedies--vitamin E oil, and scar salves/remedies available over the counter? Thanks for your reports and documentation; it really helps the rest of us who build upon your experiences. Jill
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete
From the book entitled The Edgar Cayce Remedies page 176 The most common formula for compounding the scar lotion is simply two ounces of camphorated oil, one-half teaspoon of dissolved or melted lanolin, and one ounce of peanut oil. It is suggested that the oil be used daily until the scar has become so faint that it can hardly be noticed. On the Internet on this site http://www.edgarcayce.org/health/database/health_resources/scars-Adhesions.asp there is a lot of information. Herbspro.com sells Hertiage Products at low prices. Robert - Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve... treat healing Scars with CS
All right, I'm sufficiently chastized. ;-) Actually I've been using CS on my spots consistently, but so far they are looking pretty scar-ry, though they have healed beautifully. -Raine Tel Tofflemire wrote: *This is a CS site and your going to use pineapple? ((( GEE )))... What is wrong with CS ???* *I have had horse's heal with hardly any scars, with a piece of flesh torn out by a steel post when a Mt. Lyon chased a heard .* *I have before and after pictures. If your new to CS site, Let me tell you about my experience. CS can heal Epidermis tissue (top skin) with almost no scaring. I have cut my own finger with a sharp knife and squirted on CS several times a day and no scar.* *Tel Tofflemire* *Dewey, **AZ.* Swap Your Paperback Books - PaperBackSwap.com http://www.paperbackswap.com/index.php?n=1r_by=rainelu...@yahoo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete
Good advice Raine! I will wait and see hw much nose I have left before I attempt another coating. My brother who has been a doctor for over 40 yrs is coming down from Cleveland for a visit after I told him about Cansema. I Emailed my other brother a pict of my face and he showed it to my mother who thought it was a homeless person!G I still haven't heard any more people tell their experience with scarring, etc.. Pete
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete
AOL Email Hi Pete, Before your brother arrives, please do lots of Internet searches on the benefits of escharotic ***black salves*** eliminating skin cancers. BOTTOM LINE: Your family doctor knows zilch about escharotics. Regards, Gunar - Original Message - From: panamp...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:03 AM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete Good advice Raine! I will wait and see hw much nose I have left before I attempt another coating. My brother who has been a doctor for over 40 yrs is coming down from Cleveland for a visit after I told him about Cansema. I Emailed my other brother a pict of my face and he showed it to my mother who thought it was a homeless person!G I still haven't heard any more people tell their experience with scarring, etc.. Pete -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 23/12/2005
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete
Pete: Sorry I have no experience dealing with scarring. Did you try the obvious remedies--vitamin E oil, and scar salves/remedies available over the counter? Thanks for your reports and documentation; it really helps the rest of us who build upon your experiences. Jill
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete
I've heard people have really good luck with those silicone bandages from Curad or Band-Aid and that they work better than the scar creams, etc. I don't have personal experience though. Shelli - Original Message - From: grace1...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete Pete: Sorry I have no experience dealing with scarring. Did you try the obvious remedies--vitamin E oil, and scar salves/remedies available over the counter? Thanks for your reports and documentation; it really helps the rest of us who build upon your experiences. Jill
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
Hi Pete, Although I haven't yet experimented myself with using escharotic salves, I've been reading Ingrid Naimon's book Cancer Salves http://www.cancersalves.com/publications/book.html and thought I'd pass on what she advises in case it is of any use to you. She says that after the eschar detaches, the site should be bloodless, clean and pinkish. Sometimes the site is flat, other times there is a significant crater. Often, there is a hole at the bottom of the crater from which morbid material is discharged. This is usually greenish-grey with an unpleasant odor. If this is the case, it is important that the hole remains open so long as the discharge continues. Poulticing (suggestion: equal parts slippery elm, lobelia, bayberry root bark and flax seeds) keeps the area clean, draws out the morbid material, and prevents the site from closing. When the discharge subsides, her recipe Golden Myrrical, for healing the site is 5oz Goldenseal, 4oz Myrhh and 3 oz Irish Moss blended with castor oil and cured overnight in a yoghurt maker. This lotion helps to keep the site from closing prematurely. Sometimes, after detachment of the eschar, parts of the tumor remain of a different colour to the healthy tissue. Sometimes greenish gray patches can be seen, and if any part remains it's necessary to apply diluted enucleating paste to that spot. It can be diluted and painted on these spots or packed into the crater, depending on how much appears to be remaining. Apparently unless the salve is diluted it will hurt. If there are only a few tiny spots, the escharotic can be applied directly to those spots ( being careful to apply the preperation to a larger area than the visible tumor). The rest of the crater can be filled with the herbal mixture described above. The site should be bandaged/plaster. She says that if some of the tumor remains, it can because the tumor was large and deep, or too little of the enucleating salve was used, or because scratches in the eschar were not made or this step was omitted (something she recommends in order to penetrate the eschar and reach the tumor underneath) and that it is crucial that any residuals are necrotized whilst there is easy access to them. A second eschar will form, usually smaller than the first one and will also usually detach faster. While waiting for it to form, the procedures are essentially the same as the first time. The enucleating salve should be used until the tumor is necrotized. Poultices are indicated when there is discharge and Golden Myrrical can be applied to assist seperation. The area should be kept occlusive and dressings changed at least every day. The site should be kept clean with Colloidal Silver/ Hydrogen Peroxide. This cycle is repeated so long as there is evidence or suspicion of remaining malignancy. When completely satisfied that destruction of the entire tumor has occurred, healing can be permitted. At this time, the treatment site should be free of discharges and odor and should appear entirely clean and pinkish To be extra certain, it may still be wise to apply poultices and ointments for a few more days. She lists various recipes in her book, but a simple healing salve can be made from Goldenseal powder and honey, or a simple Calendula based ointment can be used. When the time comes to close the treatment site, she recommends that Turmeric be added to any healing ointment used, in order to prevent scarring, the healing salve applied thickly for a few days under a bandage/plaster, later gently rubbed into treatment area and surrounding tissue. The Homeopathic remedy Hydrastis candensis can also be used in the healing stage, 3 or 4 times a day for a week. Her recipe for a gentler enucleating paste than Bloodroot based black salves is : 5oz Goldenseal 4oz Turmeric 3oz White Willow Calendula Oil Homeopathic Arnica montana and Apis mellifica can be added to the salve or taken orally for pain relief. Blend ingredients and leave overnight in a yoghurt maker. Zinc Chloride can be added gradually according to how strong a paste is desired, using a dropper bottle containing a teaspoon Zinc Chloride mixed with distilled water. (Do not touch any metal object to the Zinc Chloride) Ingrid does mention in her book that some of the escharotics on the market are so aggressive that they will cause a reaction in healthy as well as malignant tissue This is therefore a feature of that particular escharotic so that despite clams to the contrary reactions are not a clue to malignancy or lack thereof. She says that bloodroot is so unpredictable and inflammatory that there is no way to estimate it's potential action once applied to the skin. There may be no reaction at all or it may become so systemic that excruciating pain and fever are almost immediate and prefers salves based on Goldenseal which she refers to as being elegant and precise I
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete
You might want to check-out Emu oil. I have heard it raved about but not personally tried it. Paula - Original Message - From: grace1...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete Pete: Sorry I have no experience dealing with scarring. Did you try the obvious remedies--vitamin E oil, and scar salves/remedies available over the counter? Thanks for your reports and documentation; it really helps the rest of us who build upon your experiences. Jill -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 12/27/05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 12/27/05
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete
My mother has tried emu oil and swears by it that it took her aching pain in her thigh away. However, this was only temp. relief. You need to keep applying it which mean buying more of it. From: Paula Perry p...@zoomnet.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:26:55 -0500 You might want to check-out Emu oil. I have heard it raved about but not personally tried it. Paula - Original Message - From: grace1...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete Pete: Sorry I have no experience dealing with scarring. Did you try the obvious remedies--vitamin E oil, and scar salves/remedies available over the counter? Thanks for your reports and documentation; it really helps the rest of us who build upon your experiences. Jill -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 12/27/05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 12/27/05 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
Thank you Shiona for sharing this invaluable information. I will see what I can do with this advice now to normalize my nose as much as possible. It has been an interesting experiment to say the least as I was somewhat apprehensive from the start. Pete
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete
Dear Pete, sounds like you have received very good advice from the listers here. What a wonderful, smart, supportive group of people! Regarding my personal experience with the bloodroot salve, at the time, I knew nothing about Colloidal Silver or anything else people are discussing here. So my experience was perhaps more painful and scarey looking than necessary. My cancer started as a soft skin tag on my right upper abdomen. As an experiment, after receiving my 2 oz. jar, I put some on several moles scattered over my body. This one took, beginning immediately to tingle, where other moles had no reaction. Eventually, the whole area was 4 inches by 3 inches. At one time during the cansema treatment, I could lay my fist into the cavity the cansema created. My cancers felt to be fingerlings of cells that went in 4 different directions deep into my body, rather than concentrated in one area, close to the surface, like a tumor. This is unconfirmed other than my own visualizations and meditations, as I was healing myself. I dared not take this to conventional medicine. I only imagine they would have offered me chemo and surgery, with no guarantee the situation would have been handled. I would apply the cansema, cover it and leave it on for 10 days. I was perhaps too vigorous with the cansema, but in my zeal to remove all the cancer cells from deep inside my abdomen, I applied undiluted cansema to new flesh. I did take breaks and let the skin heal over. But when reapplying, it would open up again, to reveal pin sized holes of eschar. I could feel tingling deep inside my body, and I felt the salve pulled the offending cells to the surface. I never considered supporting my healing process through the gentle herbs and creams being suggested here. Emotional support was spotty also, as it was a frightening, oozing sore that scared the people that loved me. They did not know how to help other than to insist I go to a doctor. It just never dawned on me, that it didn't have to be painful... which speaks more to my personal process of Life (i.e. Healing has to be painful). It was a sort of do it yourself project. (THAT is not how I feel today, however). The acute process took about 5 months. 2 years later, the scar is continuing to fill in and fade. It is very soft, unusual for untreated scar tissue. Or course, I am pain free, and my kinisiology checking tells me, I am cancer free. I have the blood root salve to thank for that. From what I read about the cansema, the body would rebuild the flesh over time, once the cells were healthy again. As far as your looks, you are a living testimony of healing yourself of cancer. Surgery is known to disfigure a person also, and not fix the problem. Sounds like you are getting the information and support you need. Good Healing! Laurie Transform Your Life with the Blink of your Eyes Laurie Solisz, RN Healing Science Practitioner http://www.barbarabrennan.com Professional Rapid Eye Technician http://www.rapideyetechnology.com Affecting world health one person at a time http://www.lovehealth.matol.com - Original Message - From: panamp...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:03 AM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete Good advice Raine! I will wait and see hw much nose I have left before I attempt another coating. My brother who has been a doctor for over 40 yrs is coming down from Cleveland for a visit after I told him about Cansema. I Emailed my other brother a pict of my face and he showed it to my mother who thought it was a homeless person!G I still haven't heard any more people tell their experience with scarring, etc.. Pete
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve... treat healing Scars with CS
In a message dated 12/26/2005 8:06:11 PM Central Standard Time, telt...@cableone.net writes: I make it now with a Model 777 Colloidal Master automatic generator. ***That's the one that I have too, Tel, and I like it a lot. I'm a horse person too. So -- tip o' the hat to ya!! MA
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
From: panamp...@aol.com I am also curious about the way Cansema works. Is it true that it only effects cancerous skin? !My nose is now pitted, like a bad case of acne. Pete Pete- I have had black salve eat into other tissue as well. It can leave some scar tissue behind. Fortunately mine is in a crease on my face. The directions suggest putting vaseline on the healthy skin to prevent the salve attacking it. You could try applying herbal stuff to minimize scarring, like aloe vera and Vitamin E. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
I've read this many times, to apply vaseline to the surrounding areas. I am so uncomfortable with putting a petroleum product on my skin! I used a beeswax based cream. -Raine Tad Winiecki wrote: Pete- I have had black salve eat into other tissue as well. It can leave some scar tissue behind. Fortunately mine is in a crease on my face. The directions suggest putting vaseline on the healthy skin to prevent the salve attacking it. Swap Your Paperback Books - PaperBackSwap.com http://www.paperbackswap.com/index.php?n=1r_by=rainelu...@yahoo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
In a message dated 12/25/05 6:09:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, panamp...@aol.com writes: Thanks Raine I am also curious about the way Cansema works. Is it true that it only effects cancerous skin? !My nose is now pitted, like a bad case of acne. Pete Raine et al, I am just repeating this msg as I know many are still and have been on vacation, and probably have let their 'puters rest for a few days. I am at a quandary rather to reapply Cansema to my nose, not knowing if I got most of the cancerous material. I also wonder if the dents(pits) on the nose will ever smooth out. Currently I have a 2nd shedding about to take place on the front top point of nose which had been purple. I would welcome any responses or experiences similar to mine if any. Pete
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete
Hi Pete, If you don't see any evidence of remaining tumor, I personally would not reapply the salve. Let it heal up. You can always re-test after a while if the area still seems suspicious to you. Once my own skin is covered over, I'm thinking of rubbing pineapple on the sites to see if the enzymes will reduce scarring. -Raine panamp...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/25/05 6:09:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, panamp...@aol.com writes: Raine et al, I am just repeating this msg as I know many are still and have been on vacation, and probably have let their 'puters rest for a few days. I am at a quandary rather to reapply Cansema to my nose, not knowing if I got most of the cancerous material. I also wonder if the dents(pits) on the nose will ever smooth out. Currently I have a 2nd shedding about to take place on the front top point of nose which had been purple. I would welcome any responses or experiences similar to mine if any. Pete -- *Swap Your Paperback Books - PaperBackSwap.com http://www.paperbackswap.com/index.php?n=1r_by=rainelu...@yahoo.com*
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
as of late, there is considerable interest in cansema salve, the different techniques and uses. i was a lucky one and made my first purchase of cansema from Alpha Omega Labs just prior to the fda shutting them down. the alpha omega people have kept their websist open, although on an information only basis, but one can root around, studying, and get all sorts of good information on the use of bloodroot salves for the treatment of cancer. also, here is the warning about this guy in montana, putting out lookalike products that are apparently not the real mccoy. i've seen this stuff used on a close friend, and it was 15 days, start to finish, for the cancer to drop off. jim panamp...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/25/05 6:09:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, panamp...@aol.com writes: Thanks Raine I am also curious about the way Cansema works. Is it true that it _only_ effects cancerous skin? !My nose is now pitted, like a bad case of acne. Pete Raine et al, I am just repeating this msg as I know many are still and have been on vacation, and probably have let their 'puters rest for a few days. I am at a quandary rather to reapply Cansema to my nose, not knowing if I got most of the cancerous material. I also wonder if the dents(pits) on the nose will ever smooth out. Currently I have a 2nd shedding about to take place on the front top point of nose which had been purple. I would welcome any responses or experiences similar to mine if any. Pete -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve... treat healing Scars with CS
AOL EmailThis is a CS site and your going to use pineapple? ((( GEE )))... What is wrong with CS ??? I have had horse's heal with hardly any scars, with a piece of flesh torn out by a steel post when a Mt. Lyon chased a heard . I have before and after pictures. If your new to CS site, Let me tell you about my experience. CS can heal Epidermis tissue (top skin) with almost no scaring. I have cut my own finger with a sharp knife and squirted on CS several times a day and no scar. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. - Original Message - From: Raine To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete Hi Pete, If you don't see any evidence of remaining tumor, I personally would not reapply the salve. Let it heal up. You can always re-test after a while if the area still seems suspicious to you. Once my own skin is covered over, I'm thinking of rubbing pineapple on the sites to see if the enzymes will reduce scarring. -Raine panamp...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/25/05 6:09:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, panamp...@aol.com writes: Raine et al, I am just repeating this msg as I know many are still and have been on vacation, and probably have let their 'puters rest for a few days. I am at a quandary rather to reapply Cansema to my nose, not knowing if I got most of the cancerous material. I also wonder if the dents(pits) on the nose will ever smooth out. Currently I have a 2nd shedding about to take place on the front top point of nose which had been purple. I would welcome any responses or experiences similar to mine if any. Pete -- Swap Your Paperback Books - PaperBackSwap.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
AOL EmailMaybe you had a nose full of many cancers? This may be pitted now but use Colloidal silver, several times a day maybe it will heal? - Original Message - From: panamp...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers In a message dated 12/25/05 6:09:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, panamp...@aol.com writes: Thanks Raine I am also curious about the way Cansema works. Is it true that it only effects cancerous skin? !My nose is now pitted, like a bad case of acne. Pete Raine et al, I am just repeating this msg as I know many are still and have been on vacation, and probably have let their 'puters rest for a few days. I am at a quandary rather to reapply Cansema to my nose, not knowing if I got most of the cancerous material. I also wonder if the dents(pits) on the nose will ever smooth out. Currently I have a 2nd shedding about to take place on the front top point of nose which had been purple. I would welcome any responses or experiences similar to mine if any. Pete
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve... treat healing Scars with CS
Hi Tel, I would be interested in seeing your before and after pictures of the wound if you wouldn't mind. I have a horse and it did receive a flesh wound just about the hind knee from a horseshoe the was not properly mounted on the front foot. Don't ask me how that happened.(freak accident)No one has ever seen anything like it. This would be great proof in the event my horse suffers such an improbably fate the next time. many thanks, Ernie From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve... treat healing Scars with CS Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:58:09 -0700 AOL EmailThis is a CS site and your going to use pineapple? ((( GEE )))... What is wrong with CS ??? I have had horse's heal with hardly any scars, with a piece of flesh torn out by a steel post when a Mt. Lyon chased a heard . I have before and after pictures. If your new to CS site, Let me tell you about my experience. CS can heal Epidermis tissue (top skin) with almost no scaring. I have cut my own finger with a sharp knife and squirted on CS several times a day and no scar. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. - Original Message - From: Raine To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- Pete Hi Pete, If you don't see any evidence of remaining tumor, I personally would not reapply the salve. Let it heal up. You can always re-test after a while if the area still seems suspicious to you. Once my own skin is covered over, I'm thinking of rubbing pineapple on the sites to see if the enzymes will reduce scarring. -Raine panamp...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/25/05 6:09:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, panamp...@aol.com writes: Raine et al, I am just repeating this msg as I know many are still and have been on vacation, and probably have let their 'puters rest for a few days. I am at a quandary rather to reapply Cansema to my nose, not knowing if I got most of the cancerous material. I also wonder if the dents(pits) on the nose will ever smooth out. Currently I have a 2nd shedding about to take place on the front top point of nose which had been purple. I would welcome any responses or experiences similar to mine if any. Pete -- Swap Your Paperback Books - PaperBackSwap.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
sorry folks, forgot to give the url. http://www.altcancer.com/cansema.htm Acmeair wrote: as of late, there is considerable interest in cansema salve, the different techniques and uses. i was a lucky one and made my first purchase of cansema from Alpha Omega Labs just prior to the fda shutting them down. the alpha omega people have kept their websist open, although on an information only basis, but one can root around, studying, and get all sorts of good information on the use of bloodroot salves for the treatment of cancer. also, here is the warning about this guy in montana, putting out lookalike products that are apparently not the real mccoy. i've seen this stuff used on a close friend, and it was 15 days, start to finish, for the cancer to drop off. jim panamp...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/25/05 6:09:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, panamp...@aol.com writes: Thanks Raine I am also curious about the way Cansema works. Is it true that it _only_ effects cancerous skin? !My nose is now pitted, like a bad case of acne. Pete Raine et al, I am just repeating this msg as I know many are still and have been on vacation, and probably have let their 'puters rest for a few days. I am at a quandary rather to reapply Cansema to my nose, not knowing if I got most of the cancerous material. I also wonder if the dents(pits) on the nose will ever smooth out. Currently I have a 2nd shedding about to take place on the front top point of nose which had been purple. I would welcome any responses or experiences similar to mine if any. Pete -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve... treat healing Scars with CS
In a message dated 12/26/2005 4:59:30 PM Central Standard Time, telt...@cableone.net writes: I have had horse's heal with hardly any scars ***Hey Tel -- I didn't know you're a horse person!! MA
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve... treat healing Scars with CS
My Dad and Grand father Great grandfather were All Vet's, We lived on a huge ranch in South Dakota, Yes I am a horse guy, I was also a race horse Jockey/Trainer/Announcer. Rodeo Rider/Announcer, and now I am a retired horse lover and helper. I have help make CS since I was 10 or 12 yrs old. We made it with a car battery and silver coins on a silver wire, people loved it because we didn't chare for it. I had to make it when I was about 10 or 12yrs old so I always thought we invented it.Well ? I found out later that my Grandfather came up with it from a friend in the same field of healing. We always had lots of horses, and cattle, sheep , hogs, chickens, turkeys geese, ducks, guienies, peacoks, Dogs, Cats,some got sick , but I seen most get well with just CS. I make it now with a Model 777 Colloidal Master automatic generator. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. From: marmar...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 4:49 PM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve... treat healing Scars with CS In a message dated 12/26/2005 4:59:30 PM Central Standard Time, telt...@cableone.net writes: I have had horse's heal with hardly any scars ***Hey Tel -- I didn't know you're a horse person!! MA
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
Hi Pete, Sorry for the delayed response. Unfortunately, I don't know who Laurie is to pass her email address on. From my experience, if you still see white spots in the pink skin after the eschar detaches, it is a good idea to retreat while the sore is still open. I had some white goo left behind in one sore, but it thankfully fell out after a few days to leave only pink skin. I've heard it said that you may want to re-test treated spots yearly to ensure there's no futher growth. I feel for you- treating your nose! That would invite a lot of attention! I also got my goo from lizardhaven. It's good stuff! lol Please keep us updated, -Raine panamp...@aol.com wrote: Raine, Do you have Laurie's Email address,as I want to compare her experience to mine with cansema(black salve). Today is my 15th day on cansema and the eschar sloughed off about midway. I have about 10-12 indentations now, one being quite noticable, but no pain or pus. I'm at a quandary rather to treat these spots the 2nd time to make sure, or to stop before I lose more nose. Any input would be very wel- come even though I'll be the talk of the town once I dab more cansema on. I will keep it confidential if I Email Laurie. Thanks, Pete PS I received my goo from lizard haven. -- Swap Your Paperback Books - PaperBackSwap.com http://www.paperbackswap.com/index.php?n=1r_by=rainelu...@yahoo.com
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Thanks Raine I am also curious about the way Cansema works. Is it true that it only effects cancerous skin? !My nose is now pitted, like a bad case of acne. Pete
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
Raine, Do you have Laurie's Email address,as I want to compare her experience to mine with cansema(black salve). Today is my 15th day on cansema and the eschar sloughed off about midway. I have about 10-12 indentations now, one being quite noticable, but no pain or pus. I'm at a quandary rather to treat these spots the 2nd time to make sure, or to stop before I lose more nose. Any input would be very wel- come even though I'll be the talk of the town once I dab more cansema on. I will keep it confidential if I Email Laurie. Thanks, Pete PS I received my goo from lizard haven.
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Jim Holmes wrote: My opinion of Michael Moore, based on the information he had available before making his 911 film, and the information he included in his film, is a sold-out disinformation shill. Jim Amen. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCansema Paste - Recipe
On Tuesday, December 20, 2005, at 12:21 AM, Carol Ann wrote: Hi Jonathan, For the welfare, safety and anonymity of all concerned your suggestion seems very reasonable. There is absolutely NO law that prohibits recipes in a public domain. Let the govt perps have a fit if they are monitering these lists because from what I can see there are no illegal ingredients...and as of today at least, we still have freedom of choice to to self-treat and make our salve. Carol Ann Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: It would be a valuable public service if a precise recipe could be placed in the public domain. All ingredients are readily available, I think. JBB Hi all, I've been looking into this subject recently as my partner has a basal carcenoma that we're going to try and treat. As for websites selling Cansema type products, I read on the Alpha Omega website that they are alerting people to the fact that there is one particular imitation of their product to watch out for, being offered by one of their previous customers , a company called, Rising Sun Health http://www.altcancer.com/fake_cansema.htm which definately does NOT contain the original ingredients of their product I'm reading an excellent book by Ingrid Naiman Cancer Salves A Botanical Approach to Treatment full of useful information on the history of use of salves, receipes for various salves and detailed instructions on using the salves. The methods described in Ingrid Naiman's book Cancer Salves: A Botanical Approach to Treatment were traditionally used mainly for breast tumors and skin cancers, but they have been successfully employed for a wide variety of other malignancies, including pancreatic, liver, and kidney cancer. Derivative treatments can be used for uterine-cervix and brain cancer as well as many abnormal conditions affecting the lymphatic system. The internal tonics, often regarded as more important than the external, can be used as either primary or adjunctive treatment for most cancers. She recommends a Golden Seal, rather than Bloodroot, salve for general use as this though taking a longer time, is less aggressive, inflammatory and painful. In her recipe, based on studies of the work 19th Century doctor Guy Pattison, Zinc Chloride can be added to increase the strength and turn it into an enucleating salve (blisters the skin). I am not sure whether to post the actual recipe as she does not actually include this on her website, rather encourages people to buy her book as she considers it important that people also have background knowledge and detailed instructions on methods of application. However, the main ingredients are Goldenseal, Tumeric, White Willow Bark, Calendula Oil (made in apricot kernel oil) If zinc chloride is used, she recommends adding it gradually, according to the needs of the individual, sensitivity, stage of treatment etc - from a dropper bottle filled with 1tsp zinc chloride mixed with distilled water Her book http://www.cancersalves.com/publications/book.html is extremely informative on the whole history of the subject and contains very useful and detailed instructions on using the salves . Her website is well worth a visit which also includes a discussion list on the subject of using salves. http://www.cancersalves.com Shiona
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
AOL EmailHello Pete, From experience, if you can see ANY yellowish-whitish ***tiny spots*** in the flesh exposed when the scab comes off -- these are (in my opinion) cancerous roots going deeper. I put black salve on them right away. If the exposed flesh is clear of any such spots-blemishes, I apply Manuka honey for quicker healing with minimum scar tissue. Hope all goes well for you, Gunar - Original Message - From: panamp...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:48 AM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers Raine, Do you have Laurie's Email address,as I want to compare her experience to mine with cansema(black salve). Today is my 15th day on cansema and the eschar sloughed off about midway. I have about 10-12 indentations now, one being quite noticable, but no pain or pus. I'm at a quandary rather to treat these spots the 2nd time to make sure, or to stop before I lose more nose. Any input would be very wel- come even though I'll be the talk of the town once I dab more cansema on. I will keep it confidential if I Email Laurie. Thanks, Pete PS I received my goo from lizard haven. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 21/12/2005
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My opinion of Michael Moore, based on the information he had available before making his 911 film, and the information he included in his film, is a sold-out disinformation shill. Jim -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers I read not so long ago that Michael Moore is working about a documentary about American medical care, and may include a segment about the suppression of the excellent altcancer.com/Alpha Omega Labs. I have a very healthy respect for the work that company did, and I believe they were telling the truth and saving lives.The FDA suppression of the company was, in my view, a perfectly legal criminal act. I also believe that First Amendment protections and the power of the internet mean that informed consumers will be able to purchase or make their own Cancema. One list member suggested a site for users to exchange information. This would be a great project, given that much of the power of Altcancer.com came from their extensive testimonials, both written and visual (photos and even videos.) I do not know what has happened to Greg Caton (aka James Carr), but I hope he is well and still in the fight. On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 09:37 Asia/Tokyo, Laurie wrote: Please do not be deparaging of others in this instance. I have been watching the threads of Cansema cancer healing here with some interest. I cured myself of cancer 2 years ago using the cream. In my case, it was a very painful process because the cancer cells were like fingers into my body and the salve pulled the cells to the surface, but created quite a cavity in doing so. I DID NOT go for conventional medical care because I knew that only cutting, burning and poisoning would be recommended along with being SCARED TO DEATH by the so called Health Care Providers without solving the health issue, would not serve my highest and greatest good. However, shortly after I ordered and received my Cansema cream, my supplier was INCARCERATED, accused of practicing medicine without a license. This man had only used the cream to cure himself and then sent it to others at their request...just like what is happening on this list. DO NOT think governmental fear programs are not keeping an eye out for this sort of thing. He was there for over 6 months, his web site was shut down, and the people answering the phone were quite frightened. Please respect others in their attempts to help and heal each other, but lets keep ALL of us out of jail! Understand that the FEAR attached to the word CANCER is what can kill, not the cancer itself. Cancer is just undirected energy. Give the cells direction, as they are very intelligent, as part of the healing process, and discover what the cancer is teaching you in the first place. Laurie Transform Your Life with the Blink of your Eyes Laurie Solisz, RN Healing Science Practitioner http://www.barbarabrennan.com Professional Rapid Eye Technician http://www.rapideyetechnology.com Affecting world health one person at a time http://www.lovehealth.matol.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCansema Paste
The presidency has been a military dictatorship since 1862. He has the authority to do whatever the he chooses -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCansema Paste Amen. According the mainstream news reports, President Bush has admitted his repeated and willful violations of the law in ordering spying on American citizens; according to AP, the FBI admits that most of the more than 10,000 were not suspected of any wrongdoing. Only a handful of persons knows the true purpose of these illegal actions. I would go so far as to assume that every person on our list may be monitored by someone. When the truth finally comes out, there may be some changes in government. On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 22:07 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Big brother is watching us all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
The government is just the biggest, most ruthless, and well armed criminal gang. -Original Message- From: Raine [mailto:rainelov...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:56 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers Thank you, Laurie. I am protecting my source as she is my friend and I have no interest in seeing her arrested. I just wanted my fellow list-members to realize that, much like CS, black salve can be a do-it-youself thing, and we all are a bunch of do-it-yourselfers. -Raine Laurie wrote: snip However, shortly after I ordered and received my Cansema cream, my supplier was INCARCERATED, accused of practicing medicine without a license. This man had only used the cream to cure himself and then sent it to others at their request...just like what is happening on this list. DO NOT think governmental fear programs are not keeping an eye out for this sort of thing. He was there for over 6 months, his web site was shut down, and the people answering the phone were quite frightened. Please respect others in their attempts to help and heal each other, but lets keep ALL of us out of jail! snip Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers Now there's a big help! --- Raine rainelov...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I get it from a woman I know who makes it. -Raine http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=95252
Re: CSCansema Paste - cansema wanna be ??
- Original Message - From: gmail angelznest To: Deborah Gerard Cc: angel nest Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 03:47 Subject: Re: CSCansema Paste - cansema wanna be ?? thank you for this list of ingredients.just curious - how does this differ from the real cansema ingredients? you say that this paste is preferred for melanoma - if that's the case, what is real cansema preferred for / most effective for then? thanks, angel - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 18:42 Subject: CSCansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema is a natural skin cancer treatment. The active ingredients of Cansema are zinc, bloodroot, and chapparal. It can be ordered from the USA... Click Here or from Alpha Omega Labs in the Bahamas... Click Here This is a recipe for a black paste very similar to the cansema. But this is a preferred paste for melanoma and all suspect skin cancer like lesions. This paste also has worked well for all manner of cancers provided that they have become exposed to or close to the surface of the skin. a.. ½ cup powdered Blo! od Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis ) b.. ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crystals or liquid c.. ½ cup common white flour d.. 1½ cup warm water e.. 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana ) Pre-mix all but the water, thoroughly, before adding to the water. Using a stainless steel double boiler. Put in water, then stir in the other ingredients. Stir in well using a wooden spoon. Cook for thirty minutes over boiling water, stirring constantly. Application is much the same as cansema. Apply a thin layer ( 2 - 3 mm ) of the paste over the affected area and cover for 24 hours. Then remove the covering, but do not disturb the lesion at all, do not attempt to pull the cancer out at any time, it should fall out in 10 days or so. Some people with sensitive skin put vaseline around the cancer so that the paste d! oes not irritate the skin. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/cansema.htm
RE: CSCansema Paste
Yes thank you. I think everyone should make Black Salve, It works. I use this same ingredients list too, except I include Graveola, Pau D' Arco powder in the cooking process, and add a small amount of CS after it cools to help keep it from spoiling. I store it in the refrigerator as well in a tight sealed Qt. jar until I need some , I put in a Carmex size tub, as it takes very little to do the trick. I do not sell it, so don't ask. I only experiment . Big brother is watching us all. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ - Original Message - From: gmail angelznest To: Deborah Gerard Cc: angel nest Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 03:47 Subject: Re: CSCansema Paste - cansema wanna be ?? thank you for this list of ingredients.just curious - how does this differ from the real cansema ingredients? you say that this paste is preferred for melanoma - if that's the case, what is real cansema preferred for / most effective for then? thanks, angel - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 18:42 Subject: CSCansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema is a natural skin cancer treatment. The active ingredients of Cansema are zinc, bloodroot, and chapparal. It can be ordered from the USA... Click Here or from Alpha Omega Labs in the Bahamas... Click Here This is a recipe for a black paste very similar to the cansema. But this is a preferred paste for melanoma and all suspect skin cancer like lesions. This paste also has worked well for all manner of cancers provided that they have become exposed to or close to the surface of the skin. a.. ½ cup powdered Blo! od Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis ) b.. ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crystals or liquid c.. ½ cup common white flour d.. 1½ cup warm water e.. 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana ) Pre-mix all but the water, thoroughly, before adding to the water. Using a stainless steel double boiler. Put in water, then stir in the other ingredients. Stir in well using a wooden spoon. Cook for thirty minutes over boiling water, stirring constantly. Application is much the same as cansema. Apply a thin layer ( 2 - 3 mm ) of the paste over the affected area and cover for 24 hours. Then remove the covering, but do not disturb the lesion at all, do not attempt to pull the cancer out at any time, it should fall out in 10 days or so. Some people with sensitive skin put vaseline around the cancer so that the paste d! oes not irritate the skin. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/cansema.htm
Re: CSCansema Paste - Recipe
It would be a valuable public service if a precise recipe could be placed in the public domain. All ingredients are readily available, I think. JBB On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 16:52 Asia/Tokyo, Raine wrote: The salve I use has the following ingredients; chapparal bloodroot galangal root graviola zinc chloride lidocaine (for pain) -Raine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Amen. According the mainstream news reports, President Bush has admitted his repeated and willful violations of the law in ordering spying on American citizens; according to AP, the FBI admits that most of the more than 10,000 were not suspected of any wrongdoing. Only a handful of persons knows the true purpose of these illegal actions. I would go so far as to assume that every person on our list may be monitored by someone. When the truth finally comes out, there may be some changes in government. On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 22:07 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Big brother is watching us all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCansema Paste - Recipe
Hi Jonathan, For the welfare, safety and anonymity of all concerned your suggestion seems very reasonable. There is absolutely NO law that prohibits recipes in a public domain. Let the govt perps have a fit if they are monitering these lists because from what I can see there are no illegal ingredients...and as of today at least, we still have freedom of choice to to self-treat and make our salve. Carol Ann Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: It would be a valuable public service if a precise recipe could be placed in the public domain. All ingredients are readily available, I think. JBB On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 16:52 Asia/Tokyo, Raine wrote: The salve I use has the following ingredients; chapparal bloodroot galangal root graviola zinc chloride lidocaine (for pain) -Raine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Best regards, Carol ___ Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them. -Al Einstein. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: CSCansema Paste
Thank you Deborah. I did not previously see this post listing ingredients and measurements. Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net wrote:Yes thank you. I think everyone should make Black Salve, It works. I use this same ingredients list too, except I include Graveola, Pau D' Arco powder in the cooking process, and add a small amount of CS after it cools to help keep it from spoiling. I store it in the refrigerator as well in a tight sealed Qt. jar until I need some , I put in a Carmex size tub, as it takes very little to do the trick. I do not sell it, so don't ask. I only experiment . Big brother is watching us all. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ - Original Message - From: gmail angelznest To: Deborah Gerard Cc: angel nest Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 03:47 Subject: Re: CSCansema Paste - cansema wanna be ?? thank you for this list of ingredients.just curious - how does this differ from the real cansema ingredients? you say that this paste is preferred for melanoma - if that's the case, what is real cansema preferred for / most effective for then? thanks, angel - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 18:42 Subject: CSCansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment - Cansema is a natural skin cancer treatment. The active ingredients of Cansema are zinc, bloodroot, and chapparal. It can be ordered from the USA... Click Hereor from Alpha Omega Labs in the Bahamas... Click Here This is a recipe for a black paste very similar to the cansema. But this is a preferred paste for melanoma and all suspect skin cancer like lesions. This paste also has worked well for all manner of cancers provided that they have become exposed to or close to the surface of the skin. ½ cup powdered Blo! od Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis ) ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crystals or liquid ½ cup common white flour 1½ cup warm water 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana ) Pre-mix all but the water, thoroughly, before adding to the water. Using a stainless steel double boiler. Put in water, then stir in the other ingredients. Stir in well using a wooden spoon. Cook for thirty minutes over boiling water, stirring constantly. Application is much the same as cansema. Apply a thin layer ( 2 - 3 mm ) of the paste over the affected area and cover for 24 hours. Then remove the covering, but do not disturb the lesion at all, do not attempt to pull the cancer out at any time, it should fall out in 10 days or so. Some people with sensitive skin put vaseline around the cancer so that the paste d! oes not irritate the skin. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/cansema.htm Best regards, Carol ___ Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them. -Al Einstein. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CSCansema Paste - cansema wanna be ??
Group..all I did was google cansema recipe and found two sites..it's out there...debbie hotmail angelznest angelzn...@hotmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: gmail angelznest To: Deborah Gerard Cc: angel nest Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 03:47 Subject: Re: CSCansema Paste - cansema wanna be ?? thank you for this list of ingredients.just curious - how does this differ from the real cansema ingredients? you say that this paste is preferred for melanoma - if that's the case, what is real cansema preferred for / most effective for then? thanks, angel - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 18:42 Subject: CSCansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment - Cansema is a natural skin cancer treatment. The active ingredients of Cansema are zinc, bloodroot, and chapparal. It can be ordered from the USA... Click Here or from Alpha Omega Labs in the Bahamas... Click Here This is a recipe for a black paste very similar to the cansema. But this is a preferred paste for melanoma and all suspect skin cancer like lesions. This paste also has worked well for all manner of cancers provided that they have become exposed to or close to the surface of the skin. ½ cup powdered Blo! od Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis ) ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crystals or liquid ½ cup common white flour 1½ cup warm water 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana ) Pre-mix all but the water, thoroughly, before adding to the water. Using a stainless steel double boiler. Put in water, then stir in the other ingredients. Stir in well using a wooden spoon. Cook for thirty minutes over boiling water, stirring constantly. Application is much the same as cansema. Apply a thin layer ( 2 - 3 mm ) of the paste over the affected area and cover for 24 hours. Then remove the covering, but do not disturb the lesion at all, do not attempt to pull the cancer out at any time, it should fall out in 10 days or so. Some people with sensitive skin put vaseline around the cancer so that the paste d! oes not irritate the skin. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/cansema.htm
Re: CSCansema Paste - cansema wanna be ??
There are lots of Cansema sites, but none are genuine. The ***original AO Labs sites,*** e.g. www.altcancer.com and www.AlphaOmegaLabs.com are still there, but for information purposes only. None of the products listed are sold there, thanks to FDA. Alpha Omega Labs is *out of business* (at present anyway). If you find a site you think is genuine, please post the URL, or some people may end up at a con-artist's website. By the way, the following ingredients are not similar to the Cansema black salve. (Their herbalist ridiculed the idea of having white flour in the formulation.) Cansema black salve contains other crucially-needed herbs than the ones listed below. ½ cup powdered Blo! od Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis ) ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crys! tals or liquid ½ cup common white flour 1½ cup warm water 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana ) Regards, Gunar - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: Re: CSCansema Paste - cansema wanna be ?? Group..all I did was google cansema recipe and found two sites..it's out there...debbie hotmail angelznest angelzn...@hotmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: gmail angelznest To: Deborah Gerard Cc: angel nest Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 03:47 Subject: Re: CSCansema Paste - cansema wanna be ?? thank you for this list of ingredients.just curious - how does this differ from the real cansema ingredients? you say that this paste is preferred for melanoma - if that's the case, what is real cansema preferred for / most effective for then? thanks, angel - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 18:42 Subject: CSCansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema Paste - Skin Ca! ncer Treatment Cansema is a natural skin cancer treatment. The active ingredients of Cansema are zinc, bloodroot, and chapparal. It can be ordered from the USA... Click Here or from Alpha Omega Labs in the Bahamas... Click Here This is a recipe for a black paste very similar to the cansema. But this is a preferred paste for melanoma and all suspect skin cancer like lesions. This paste also has worked well for all manner of cancers provided that they have become exposed to or close to the surface of the skin. a.. ½ cup powdered Blo! od Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis ) b.. ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crys! tals or liquid c.. ½ cup common white flour d.. 1½ cup warm water e.. 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana ) Pre-mix all but the water, thoroughly, before adding to the water. Using a stainless steel double boiler. Put in water, then stir in the other ingredients. Stir in well using a wooden spoon. Cook for thirty minutes over boiling water, stirring constantly. Application is much the same as cansema. Apply a thin layer ( 2 - 3 mm ) of the paste over the affected area and cover for 24 hours. Then remove the covering, but do not disturb the lesion at all, do not attempt to pull the cancer out at any time, it should fall out in 10 days or so. Some people with sensitive skin put vaseline around the cancer so that the paste d! oes not irritate the skin. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/cansema.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 19/12/2005
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - photos
Thanks Pete, I would like that. newses at aapt dot net dot au I have a few half decent pics now too. So it looks as if the same thing has happened to you, that the top crust has come away and left the stalk as it were. But it sounds as if my DHs eschar was puny compared to yours. All the best with the follow up treatment. Rowena If you want I will send you a pict taken yesterday directly to your Email to give you a better idea of what I say. Pete -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - photos
Hi Rowena, I have the same thing with my spot that lost it's scab yesterday. There is a white goo left behind. If it sticks around a few more days I will reapply the salve to it. -Raine, also with pics should anyone want to swap research Rowena wrote: Thanks Pete, I would like that. newses at aapt dot net dot au I have a few half decent pics now too. So it looks as if the same thing has happened to you, that the top crust has come away and left the stalk as it were. But it sounds as if my DHs eschar was puny compared to yours. All the best with the follow up treatment. Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
***So where did y'all get your salve? MA http://www.wholisticanimal.com/ they send overseas. INTERNATIONAL Phone + 61 8 9444 7379 USA (EST) time - 16hrs behind AUST USA (WST) time - 19hrs behind AUST International FAX + 61 8 9201 0282 AUSTRALIA WIDE - Office Hours are 11 am to 5pm Monday to Friday Phone 1300 132 966 (WST - 3 hours behind EST) also http://www.bevanpotter.com/ be...@bevanpotter.com Bevan Potter, PO Box 227, Gin Gin Qld 4671 Australia Phone 0741574262International calls 61741574262 An interesting read: http://www.cancertutor.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - photos
-Raine, also with pics should anyone want to swap research Yes to the photos please, Raine. Thanks Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
I get it from a woman I know who makes it. -Raine ***So where did y'all get your salve? MA snip -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - photos
All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing = Edmund Burke (1729-1797) - Original Message - From: Rowena new...@aapt.net.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - photos -Raine, also with pics should anyone want to swap research Yes to the photos please, Raine. Thanks Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 16/12/2005
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
Now there's a big help! --- Raine rainelov...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I get it from a woman I know who makes it. -Raine ***So where did y'all get your salve? MA snip -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
Please do not be deparaging of others in this instance. I have been watching the threads of Cansema cancer healing here with some interest. I cured myself of cancer 2 years ago using the cream. In my case, it was a very painful process because the cancer cells were like fingers into my body and the salve pulled the cells to the surface, but created quite a cavity in doing so. I DID NOT go for conventional medical care because I knew that only cutting, burning and poisoning would be recommended along with being SCARED TO DEATH by the so called Health Care Providers without solving the health issue, would not serve my highest and greatest good. However, shortly after I ordered and received my Cansema cream, my supplier was INCARCERATED, accused of practicing medicine without a license. This man had only used the cream to cure himself and then sent it to others at their request...just like what is happening on this list. DO NOT think governmental fear programs are not keeping an eye out for this sort of thing He was there for over 6 months, his web site was shut down, and the people answering the phone were quite frightened. Please respect others in their attempts to help and heal each other, but lets keep ALL of us out of jail! Understand that the FEAR attached to the word CANCER is what can kill, not the cancer itself. Cancer is just undirected energy. Give the cells direction, as they are very intelligent, as part of the healing process, and discover what the cancer is teaching you in the first place. Laurie Transform Your Life with the Blink of your Eyes Laurie Solisz, RN Healing Science Practitioner http://www.barbarabrennan.com Professional Rapid Eye Technician http://www.rapideyetechnology.com Affecting world health one person at a time http://www.lovehealth.matol.com Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers Now there's a big help! --- Raine rainelov...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I get it from a woman I know who makes it. -Raine ***So where did y'all get your salve? MA snip
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
Hi Laurie, Words spoken so well. I'm a person the medical community would refer to as being 18 years out and therefore, considered cured of Cancer. And a nasty case it was.doctors and their prognosis alone would/could have scared me to death. I often wondered if in medical school they were not also given a course on masochism. Also, I tend to agree with you. Perhaps the type of information people are seeking regarding providers/vendors/makers of this cream should be shared privately to insure safety.Then again, if it's benefits were not shared, few would even know of its existence, myself included. My mother had malignant melanoma years ago and there is no guarantee it will not return. So, I have been following this thread with great interest but declined comment, until your post. Perhaps, if the ingredients were shared, people could make it themselves and take full responsibility without endangering someone elses civil liberties. All parties would be protected, albeit a little less off financially regarding sales. best regards, Carol Ann Understand that the FEAR attached to the word CANCER is what can kill, not the cancer itself. Cancer is just undirected energy. Give the cells direction, as they are very intelligent, as part of the healing process, and discover what the cancer is teaching you in the first place. Laurie Transform Your Life with the Blink of your Eyes Laurie Solisz, RN Healing Science Practitioner http://www.barbarabrennan.com Professional Rapid Eye Technician http://www.rapideyetechnology.com Affecting world health one person at a time http://www.lovehealth.matol.com Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers Now there's a big help! --- Raine rainelov...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I get it from a woman I know who makes it. -Raine ***So where did y'all get your salve? MA snip Best regards, Carol ___ Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them. -Al Einstein. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
I read not so long ago that Michael Moore is working about a documentary about American medical care, and may include a segment about the suppression of the excellent altcancer.com/Alpha Omega Labs. I have a very healthy respect for the work that company did, and I believe they were telling the truth and saving lives.The FDA suppression of the company was, in my view, a perfectly legal criminal act. I also believe that First Amendment protections and the power of the internet mean that informed consumers will be able to purchase or make their own Cancema. One list member suggested a site for users to exchange information. This would be a great project, given that much of the power of Altcancer.com came from their extensive testimonials, both written and visual (photos and even videos.) I do not know what has happened to Greg Caton (aka James Carr), but I hope he is well and still in the fight. On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 09:37 Asia/Tokyo, Laurie wrote: Please do not be deparaging of others in this instance. I have been watching the threads of Cansema cancer healing here with some interest. I cured myself of cancer 2 years ago using the cream. In my case, it was a very painful process because the cancer cells were like fingers into my body and the salve pulled the cells to the surface, but created quite a cavity in doing so. I DID NOT go for conventional medical care because I knew that only cutting, burning and poisoning would be recommended along with being SCARED TO DEATH by the so called Health Care Providers without solving the health issue, would not serve my highest and greatest good. However, shortly after I ordered and received my Cansema cream, my supplier was INCARCERATED, accused of practicing medicine without a license. This man had only used the cream to cure himself and then sent it to others at their request...just like what is happening on this list. DO NOT think governmental fear programs are not keeping an eye out for this sort of thing. He was there for over 6 months, his web site was shut down, and the people answering the phone were quite frightened. Please respect others in their attempts to help and heal each other, but lets keep ALL of us out of jail! Understand that the FEAR attached to the word CANCER is what can kill, not the cancer itself. Cancer is just undirected energy. Give the cells direction, as they are very intelligent, as part of the healing process, and discover what the cancer is teaching you in the first place. Laurie Transform Your Life with the Blink of your Eyes Laurie Solisz, RN Healing Science Practitioner http://www.barbarabrennan.com Professional Rapid Eye Technician http://www.rapideyetechnology.com Affecting world health one person at a time http://www.lovehealth.matol.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCansema Paste - Recipe
The salve I use has the following ingredients; chapparal bloodroot galangal root graviola zinc chloride lidocaine (for pain) -Raine
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
Thank you, Laurie. I am protecting my source as she is my friend and I have no interest in seeing her arrested. I just wanted my fellow list-members to realize that, much like CS, black salve can be a do-it-youself thing, and we all are a bunch of do-it-yourselfers. -Raine Laurie wrote: snip However, shortly after I ordered and received my Cansema cream, my supplier was INCARCERATED, accused of practicing medicine without a license. This man had only used the cream to cure himself and then sent it to others *at their request*...just like what is happening on this list. DO NOT think governmental fear programs are not keeping an eye out for this sort of thing. He was there for over 6 months, his web site was shut down, and the people answering the phone were quite frightened. * Please* respect others in their attempts to help and heal each other, but lets keep ALL of us out of jail! snip / / /*Subject:*/ Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers *Now there's a big help!* * * --- Raine rainelov...@sbcglobal.net mailto:rainelov...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I get it from a woman I know who makes it. -Raine http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=95252
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - successful conclusion
So Pete, when you say the majority of the eschar is gone, do you mean it broke apart and that some is yet to come away? That must have been pretty big - and this had started and grown in just a matter of months? Wow! Did you have a diagnosis to say what kind it was, or did you just recognise and treat it yourself anyway? I see in the middle of my husband's wound something white like a wen. No idea what it might be. I wonder whether, once it is healed, if it persists whether to try a dab of cansema as a diagnosis. The new skin that was under the eschar is looking good and healing fast; just looks a bit tender. Tonight we have put a dab on a mole on my back that has grown pinkish thickness around it. If nothing happens, good, but if something does start to come away, good again. Rowena I too have been experimenting with cansema and its effects on skin cancers. I had over the months developed an island of raised skin covering the front 1/3 of my nose which in places had turned purple, and in one place flaked and left raw. I applied the new cansema salve to the affected area a week ago Tues, and am now in my 10th day. After about 6-7days my nose was quite sore and had grown about 1/16-1/8 of eschar before it started a gradual slof- fing. The sloffing has stopped now and the majority of eschar is gone, but my nose is somewhat pitted in places, like having been in a car accident or fight. I received many com- ments at work during this process as you might imagine(I didn't have my nose covered the total time). Some of the pits(gouges) seem about 1/8 deep and started to ooze, so I cleaned with h2o2 and applied Neosporin to stop infection and help heal. As of now my nose looks and feels like cardboard, but I feel time will heal. Pete -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - successful conclusion
Rowena, The eschar 1/16-1/8 of crust basically has fallen off and left a off-colored pink/brown and somewhat scarred(indentations) rust colored spots. I will definitely have another sloughing coming as touching is foreign to the area. The months , I believe were closer to two years as I remember. And yes I have two doctors and two nurses in my family who diagnosed it as cancer from observation only.They wanted me to go through the regimen of treatment if indeed after biopsy their diagnosis was confirmed. I procrastinated until this Dec. to do any- thing with my nose as I was, needless to say, worried and upset. If you want I will send you a pict taken yesterday directly to your Email to give you a better idea of what I say. Pete
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - successful conclusion
In a message dated 12/17/2005 12:28:24 PM Central Standard Time, new...@aapt.net.au writes: Tonight we have put a dab on a mole on my back that has grown pinkish thickness around it. If nothing happens, good, but if something does start to come away, good again. ***So where did y'all get your salve? MA
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - successful conclusion
This is to let you know that this evening the eschar on my husband's back came away leaving smooth pink skin where it had been. Comparing the eschar with the scab that came off early in the piece, I notice that it is less than half the diameter, so the eschar has been shrivelling up. The skin that looked as if it was healing after having been covered by a scab looked that way because it had indeed been covered once. The size of the original scab corresponds with the size of the healing site with its skin edge all around. Two or three of the pictures I took with the digital camera were quite successful. I tried to scan the two pieces this evening to compare and contrast, but blow me down if that jolly thing isn't refusing its duty now. Says a cable is loose or something; what nonsense. May have to reinstall the program tomorrow. This has all taken place with absolutely no pain, and with occasional itching only. Despite the scare when the top was dislodged, all seems to have progressed well. Now we have the healing cream on the site. Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - successful conclusion
I too have been experimenting with cansema and its effects on skin cancers. I had over the months developed an island of raised skin covering the front 1/3 of my nose which in places had turned purple, and in one place flaked and left raw. I applied the new cansema salve to the affected area a week ago Tues, and am now in my 10th day. After about 6-7days my nose was quite sore and had grown about 1/16-1/8 of eschar before it started a gradual slof- fing. The sloffing has stopped now and the majority of eschar is gone, but my nose is somewhat pitted in places, like having been in a car accident or fight. I received many com- ments at work during this process as you might imagine(I didn't have my nose covered the total time). Some of the pits(gouges) seem about 1/8 deep and started to ooze, so I cleaned with h2o2 and applied Neosporin to stop infection and help heal. As of now my nose looks and feels like cardboard, but I feel time will heal. Pete
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - successful conclusion
In a message dated 12/16/05 12:25:13 PM Central Standard Time, panamp...@aol.com writes: The sloffing has stopped now and the majority of eschar is gone What is an eschar? MA (full of questions today)
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - successful conclusion
It is the scab that forms over the treated area and is sloughed off as the healing begins.
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve --- VCNO --- progress with eschar
I had heard that Cansema salve from Centerforce (via Bevan Potter) would not work, but from description that is not the case. Good work!Jill I am intrigued as to how anyone could state that. Did they have experience, or was this theoretical? Day 10 came, and the scab is still in the flesh, but detached all around, and seems to have shrunk, with the skin on either side pink with the look of fresh skin from under a scab, and a kind of ring of skin edge some millimetres away from the 'crater' edge. As if at one time there had been a scab on it, but there hadn't. Maybe tonight's examination will reveal a detached eschar. At least the digital camera did work last night, so when I get around to downloading pics there may be a reasonable image. As my video camera isn't working, I don't have those images to download at present, but one day. . . It's an older analogue camera, but pretty good. I may send the pics to Bevan Potter's site when I have them ready, if he wants them. I bear in mind what the AlphaOmega site said about gratitude - where then are the other nine? Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve --- VCNO --- progress with eschar
Rowena: They had experience, and there did not seem to be any profit motive, or any other self-serving motive. I don't know why the discrepancy. The bottom line is that the Centreforce Cancema works, and that is very good to hear. You are doing all of us a service by reporting your experience! Jill
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve --- VCNO --- progress with eschar - and THANKS MIKE AND ALL
I have this same thing with mine. The scab isn't black but rather a dark brown, with darker spots in it. It looks just as you describe, Rowena. -Raine Rowena wrote: snip ###Very often the scab can be jet black or has jet black lines in it. The black in the scab is NOT remnant of the salve, but is part of the effect the salve has created in the scab. Thanks for this information. I was puzzled last night as I studied the eschar, as all the salve had dropped off with the top layer of skin. It is probably very dark brown rather than black. The colour effect is as if one is seeing the colour of flesh behind solidified plasma or lymph. snip -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve --- VCNO --- progress with eschar
Tonight, Monday, the scab is loose all the way around. Standing a little bit higher than the surrounding flesh. Some redness of the skin. Tiniest fleck of pus. Washed with CS and H2O2 on a cotton bud. That's Day 8. Very pleased. Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve---VCNO---DMSO Emu Oil
The salve I have already contains DMSO and Emu oil. No VCNO, however. http://www.bevanpotter.com/ Ingredients: Bloodroot, Galangal, Chaparral, Ginger root, Zinc Chloride, Graviola, Emu Oil and pharmaceutical-grade DMSO. As I have understood it, Emu carries stuff into the skin, and DMSO carries it into the deeper tissues. I too, if I make a salve, add DMSO and Emu Oil, and nowadays VCNO. The AlphaOmega site spoke of people with breast cancer experimenting with Cancema and finding that they were able to treat it that way (but with considerable pain). Now that would be an interesting thing to do, a trial of Cancema on the outside and see if anything opens up. I had thermography done not long ago, and there are hot spots on both breasts. I won't have any more mammograms. Also hot spot all around the sinuses. There has been calcification on right breast for some years - but maybe the Far Infrared Saunas will dispel that? I never did get a money order made out for Slackstone from Spain to treat the calcification. Rowena The active ingredients of cansema are soluble in water. Water is miscible with DMSO. DMSO is miscible in at least some oils (e.g. jojoba.) Therefore the active ingredients of cansema might be dissolved in VCNO using DMSO as an intermediary solvent. The DMSO would also act as a penetrant. Has anybody tried this possible enhancement?Matthew Hi Matthew -- I have not used DMSO, but from what I have read, if you add some (not too much) DMSO to the black salve, it will help carry/penetrate the salve deeper through the skin, and possibly even reach internal tumours. I always add Emu Oil to the salves that I make, as this oil penetrates through the skin and acts as a carrier. Also -- a black salve that has been stored for a longish time tends to dry out, and emu oil is very good for making it moist again. Gunar -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve --- VCNO --- progress with eschar
Thank you for the information. I had heard that Cansema salve from Centerforce (via Bevan Potter) would not work, but from description that is not the case. Good work! Jill
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve --- VCNO --- progress with eschar - and THANKS MIKE AND ALL
Elastoplast: AND also is mostly *air-tight* -- It is open at either end; the last couple of days I have put cotton wool at either end to try to raise the surface of the dressing a little above the eschar. I am concerned about squashing or rubbing of the eschar, especially as the top layer of skin came off with the crust of salve. I am very interested in what you say about the importance of keeping it dry and open to the air. It is at waist band level, so would not be very open anyway, and I do want to protect it. Maybe a cloth dressing with just strips of adhesive tape to keep it in place would be better? I note that the info on the old alpha omega site recommends sponge baths above showers during the process. ###Very often the scab can be jet black or has jet black lines in it. The black in the scab is NOT remnant of the salve, but is part of the effect the salve has created in the scab. Thanks for this information. I was puzzled last night as I studied the eschar, as all the salve had dropped off with the top layer of skin. It is probably very dark brown rather than black. The colour effect is as if one is seeing the colour of flesh behind solidified plasma or lymph. ... He had applied far too much, ... ###This is a common mistake (sad to say), and can cause much pain The amazing thing is that he not only has had no pain, but no sensation whatsoever - no tingling, no pulling, no itching. Nothing. I put a tiny amount on a funny bump on my leg last night, and soon felt a tingling. No sign of any action, though. I just did this as a little diagnostic. I am planning to try it on a life-long mole on my back next year, which itches quite often and is uncomfortable. As the salve will only work on cancerous tissue, I plan to try this first, and then, maybe, get and use the kind of salve for moles. In the continuing spirit of experimentation and reporting-to-base so characteristic of the silverlist, heh heh, I have experimented on a few parts of my arms and legs with a tiny bit of the salve. And yes, I know the recommendation is to treat only one at a time. I don't really expect to have to treat any of these, it is just a diagnostic experiment. But I did read about the person who treated one cancer on her dog, then just tested a lump and then another bump and then some funny looking skin - and in each case, very unexpectedly produced an eschar. since a good black salve has effect only on aberrant skin-flesh ... on healthy skin the salve has no effect (and nobody in the world can explain this). ###A good, healthy scab, when healing process has run its course, will be dry and crisp and crumbly at the edges = a very good sign that there are no problems underneath, as far as I have experienced. This is very good to hear, thankyou. As our first time experiment, when all is new, one is nervous about believing that one has achieved one's aim. There is no redness in the healthy flesh at the edges now. Seven days down, now on the eighth, Wednesday or Thursday may see the eschar drop off. Did you have a thread of skin or other tissue at the bottom of the eschar, or did it just leap out and say Boo! when you weren't looking? ###If no ooze/watery seepage, then it was only skin-deep ... count your blessings.:-) Absolutely! I was afraid it was a bad sign! A crisp scab formation is a must, so that healthy new skin can form under the scab. The scab should be kept dry (or dried with hair dyer after bathing), so that it does not fall off before the new skin forms underneath. This is valuable information - my instinct was that dampness would act like a poultice to draw out any pus down the sides. There is absolutely no matter around the sides now, so apart from any staining from the eschar, leaving it open, or just lightly covered, might be workable. I don't want it rubbed, though, as might happen with just his normal clothes on. Thank you Gunnar, for your trouble in sharing your experience. It is very reassuring. Thank you also to Mike, who allowed the original discussion of Cansema many months ago, which meant not only that I could pass the info on to other people since then, but, when the doctor diagnosed squamous cell carcinoma, meant I didn't fall in a heap but confidently looked for a source. This means I also heartily thank those members of the list who originally sent this information to the list and eneted into discussion about it. Even if I had found the information in a search, I would not have had the personal input and recommendation and incidental information that helped me search and decide (and, I feel pretty confident, destroy). Sincerely Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve --- VCNO --- progress with eschar
In a message dated 12/9/2005 3:27:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, new...@aapt.net.au writes: After reading up on moles etc. and VCNO, I decided I would go with my gut and put VCNO on DH's plaster for non-stickability instead of vaseline. I'd left it alone for 48 hours rather than keep fiddling with it. Checked it, and it looked pretty good. I won't describe it unless any of you want me to. Yes, I always use CS, and there is DMSO in the salve. I cleaned it up with Yes, please describe it. What is DH's plaster? What salve are you talking about--Cansema? (if Cansema salve, what is your source?) Jill
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve --- VCNO --- progress with eschar
Yes, please describe it. What is DH's plaster? What salve are you talking about--Cansema? (if Cansema salve, what is your source?) Jill I got the digital camera out to record progress. Got fresh batteries, as they seemed to be dead. Didn't work. Nothing worked. Camera dead. Never mind, got video camera. Recorded four days or so. Video camera now not working. Hah! Cansema salve, yes. From http://www.wholisticanimal.com/ and they get it from http://www.bevanpotter.com/ or http://health.centreforce.com/ who also sell it. Both sell overseas. (From Australia) Plaster is elastoplast on a roll. You just cut off as much as you want. I will describe as best I can. First time I saw it (DH DIH did it himself) it was well and truly covered with salve, and a round portion of the crust had pushed up away from the skin, corresponding to the size of the mole that was there. I cleaned it up, got rid of all the excess crusty salve around the wound, and white and yellow streaks were visible underneath the lid or crust. He had applied far too much, and appled more the next morning - again, unable to see it, as it was on his spine. That night, I had a look at it and saw that the salve-encrusted lid had come away from the cancer. It appeared to have taken the top layer of skin and tumour with it. It was hanging by a tiny thread of skin, but came away as I cleaned up. Cleaned with CS and H2O2. Flesh around wound somewhat red. First time I put vaseline on, next day VCNO. Next day cleaned up with lots of CS and H202. Today looked rather dry, and cracked on top, and rather healed around the edges. No ooze whatsoever. I have put VCNO on the plaster again. I think I will keep using that now until it comes out, then use the healing cream they sent. I have put wedges of cotton wool to try to raise the plaster off the wound slightly, or at least to try to stop the emerging cancer getting squashed back in. Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Rowena and everyone using a black salve, ... to be concise, I will type within the text of your post. Hope what I write helps -- this is my personal experience, and may be different from what others have gone through. - Original Message - From: Rowena new...@aapt.net.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:21 AM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve --- VCNO --- progress with eschar Yes, please describe it. What is DH's plaster? ... Jill ... Plaster is elastoplast on a roll. ... ###A type of sticky bandage-plaster that stretches a little, AND also is mostly *air-tight* -- this is good for a first application of the black salve, in the sense that the salve is better absorbed into the skin/flesh over 12 to 24 hours. The salve does not lose its moisture content during this time, and heat of the skin helps absorption You just cut off as much [[[of the elastic plaster]]] as you want. ... it was well and truly covered with salve, and a round portion of the crust had pushed up away from the skin, corresponding to the size of the mole that was there. I cleaned it up, got rid of all the excess crusty salve around the wound, and white and yellow streaks were visible underneath the lid or crust. ... ###From experience, the white, yellow streaks are visible in the fresh crust-scab-eschar-(raw lesion) when the plaster is removed. ###Very often the scab can be jet black or has jet black lines in it. The black in the scab is NOT remnant of the salve, but is part of the effect the salve has created in the scab. All residue salve will wash off with hydrogen peroxide of about 3% strength (good antiseptic). ... He had applied far too much, ... ###This is a common mistake (sad to say), and can cause much pain IF the problem-area in the skin is deep or wide-spread. The problem is that the open scab/lesion created by the salve can be large and deep, in which case the edema (red, puffy, fluid-filled swelling around scab) can be extremely painful. If you go to a doctor, he/she will go ballistic; tell you that you have severe infection, and will want to hit you with massive antibiotics ... when really there is zero infection. ###In large-wide problem areas, apply salve to a small area only, and when a scab has formed, then apply more salve to another small area, and keep repeating this till all of the area has been treated. ###You will know when you have covered the whole of the problem area, when the salve no longer starts (or causes) scabs/lesions, since a good black salve has effect only on aberrant skin-flesh ... on healthy skin the salve has no effect (and nobody in the world can explain this). ... and appled more the next morning - again, unable to see it, as it was on his spine. ... ###This is when what I wrote above can be intensified = a deeper scab, plus more pain than should be normal. That night, I had a look at it and saw that the salve-encrusted lid had come away from the cancer. It appeared to have taken the top layer of skin and tumour with it. It was hanging by a tiny thread of skin, but came away as I cleaned up. Cleaned with CS and H2O2. Flesh around wound somewhat red. ... ###The red is normal and to be expected. It is an edema. First time I put vaseline on, next day VCNO. Next day cleaned up with lots of CS and H202. Today looked rather dry, and cracked on top, and rather healed around the edges. No ooze whatsoever. ... ###A good, healthy scab, when healing process has run its course, will be dry and crisp and crumbly at the edges = a very good sign that there are no problems underneath, as far as I have experienced. ###If no ooze/watery seepage, then it was only skin-deep ... count your blessings.:-) ... I have put VCNO on the plaster again. ###From experience, you should NOT put plaster on the scab-area, especially not the water-air-proof plaster. Why? Because it will prevent the formation of a good, crisp, healthy scab. A crisp scab formation is a must, so that healthy new skin can form under the scab. The scab should be kept dry (or dried with hair dyer after bathing), so that it does not fall off before the new skin forms underneath. ... I think I will keep using that now until it comes out, then use the healing cream they sent. I have put wedges of cotton wool to try to raise the plaster off the wound slightly, or at least to try to stop the emerging cancer getting squashed back in. ... ###Why not try leaving the wound open to the air? Wash it daily with 3% hydrogen peroxide, and if need be, cover it with a non-stick bandage or gauze, so that the scab can breathe ... will help healing. Rowena Hope this make sense? Best wishes, Gunar -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve --- VCNO --- progress with eschar
Jill said: I see that VCNO means virgin coconut oil. They have borrowed the term from the olive oil industry, because there was no agreed terminology in coconut oil production to describe what they are doing. It is not universal at the moment, as I understand it, that one term means one particular thing, and there is no central body really to determine what things should be called. Another thing is that it is open to abuse by people who want to sell their RBD (refined bleached and deodorised) oil to jump on the bandwagon and call their oil virgin. So we need to be sure what process is used in manufacture and what interpretation they put on the terminology when choosing a product - I guess look up a website to see what they are doing in detail. Hydrogenated is not good in any oil. I don't know what the effect of nitrogen is, but one company who sells CO in tins boasts on their website (but not on the cans) that they put nitrogen to preserve freshness. I did a search on nitrogen, but didn't end up much wiser. One coconut oil maker reckoned it was great, but there was a deafening silence from VCNO makers on the subject. I emailed the Nitrogenated oil makers, but they never replied. I never intended to eat their product (unless it was wonderful), just to make soap. After reading up on moles etc. and VCNO, I decided I would go with my gut and put VCNO on DH's plaster for non-stickability instead of vaseline. I'd left it alone for 48 hours rather than keep fiddling with it. Checked it, and it looked pretty good. I won't describe it unless any of you want me to. Yes, I always use CS, and there is DMSO in the salve. I cleaned it up with CS and H2O2 3% tonight. Not that there was any work to do, but I just thought the skin around should have a bit of silver and oxygen. I'm a bit concerned about the eschar getting compressed, as it's on the spine, so put a little wad of cotton wool below the site like a cushion, but not above in case it slipped down and got stuck to anything. Pretty pleased with progress. Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks. I see that VCNO means virgin coconut oil. Jill
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In a message dated 12/6/2005 7:38:44 PM Central Standard Time, new...@aapt.net.au writes: (Bruce Fife just wrote to the coconut group that VCNO is the most effective thing he has seen for skin cancer; it actually kills it and it disappears in a few weeks. Would this, per chance, also apply to a mole that may or may not be cancer? MA
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that VCNO is the most effective thing he has seen for skin cancer; it actually kills it and it disappears in a few weeks. Would this, per chance, also apply to a mole that may or may not be cancer? I checked the references in Coconut Cures (Bruce Fife) P 13, Conrado Dayrit, in the Forward: My wife had a large, dark mole the size of a pencil eraser on her chest. Paul ... told her to apply... frequently to keep it moist ... once a day would correct, but would work better if she kept it continually moist. She applied every hour or two. As the days went by, the mole started to shrink and began to develop pores or tiny holes. Eventually it just fell off. (Lump on dog's head disappeared. Sores on other dog's nose healed.) p 164 Injuries, infections, growths (warts and moles), and blemishes of every kind ... warm oil first - put container in hot water until oil very warm (absorbed better). Work oil into skin. Keep continually on spot until healed with bandage, or apply frequently. Keep spot continually in contact with oil day and night. p 227 Moles Keep mole in constant contact with oil except to change bandage every day or two. If it takes longer than a week, remove bandage for one day to give skin rest. Continue six/one until mole gone. p 65 Cancer ... skin of people with hard crusty growths, scabs and moles became smooth and soft. Even precancerous lesions vanished with regular use. A man had several hardened precanceerous lesions on scalp, tender, slightly inflamed, never healed, persisted 3 or 4 years. Healed within a month with CO. A couple of dogs diagnosed with cancer became cancer free with CO in their food. Julie Figueroa grew up around coconuts, but never used because told it was saturated fat. Used hydrogenated oils. Moved to US, got cancer, all sorts of treatments, desperate situation. Went home to visit family. Read about CO research. Started taking. 6 mo later her doctors worried at her absence, wanted to test her. She was in remission and continues so. Used as preventative also. R -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Apparently I missed something valuable. What's VCNO? Are you saying that coconut oil works in a similar manner to Cancema salve? Is VCNO a special type of coconut oil? If so, where does one get it? Would you kindly repeat information previously posted about the successful use of coconut oil (VCNO?)--I would greatly appreciate it. Jill
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Don't forget about DMSO and CS Nancy - Original Message - From: marmar...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:02 AM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve - application how often? A little dot, not a thick plas... In a message dated 12/6/2005 7:38:44 PM Central Standard Time, new...@aapt.net.au writes: (Bruce Fife just wrote to the coconut group that VCNO is the most effective thing he has seen for skin cancer; it actually kills it and it disappears in a few weeks. Would this, per chance, also apply to a mole that may or may not be cancer? MA -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005
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Hi Grace1way, VCNO = virgin coconut oil http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/virgin_coconut_oil.htm Take care, V Apparently I missed something valuable. What's VCNO? Are you saying that coconut oil works in a similar manner to Cancema salve? Is VCNO a special type of coconut oil? If so, where does one get it? Would you kindly repeat information previously posted about the successful use of coconut oil (VCNO?)--I would greatly appreciate it. Jill -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve - application how often? A little dot, not a thick plaster.
Gunar said: When you say that you are in day-four of using salve, I hope you do not mean that you have been ***applying*** the salve each day? If you have a good salve, only one application is needed, and then you just wait out the time till the eschar heals and falls off, with healthy skin below.. In reply to Deborah: Since this has been mentioned, I wanted to say that I am now in Day-4 of using this salve on what was most likely a non-melanoma type skin cancer on my shoulder. ... Rowena adds: And I can illustrate that. I assumed my husband understood when I said the same thing. I wanted to put the salve on myself, and I would just have put a dot in the middle as per verbal instructions. However, he did it himself while I was asleep, and I didn't get to see it until end of second day. There was a thick crust of salve and scattered debris around, which I cleaned up with VCNO and CS. I did, at his request, apply more, but only to the lid, not all around. Maybe I was too polite and reassuring in my instructions. Blow me down if after his shower next morning he didn't reapply and put on a new plaster. Horrified me! Last night, had a look - more salve caked around, and the top knocked off the cancer. Cleaned it up again, put vaseline on the plaster, told him to leave it there, shower or no shower. I don't know whether it got dislodged in the shower or just by movement of plaster, possibly ooze sticking the crust to the plaster and then getting bumped or leaned on in the long car drive to work. That was last night. I cleaned up the surrounding area with VCNO then Colloidal Silver then dry tissue to pick up the little crumbs of salve. I really did muse whether to put VCNO instead of vaseline, as I didn't like the thought of petroleum product on the area. But the purpose was just to stop things sticking to the plaster, not to heal, as the skin musn't heal over while the eschar is still coming out. So I left off the VCNO as being too effective, ha ha! However, another thing that shouldn't happen is - the top shouldn't get knocked off! DH had said to me the night before, when I said he didn't need any more of the salve: If a little is good, a lot is better. I read it in Patrick OBrian. I just took that as a joke against his obsessiveness, and didn't emphasise enough to him, I suppose, to leave it alone. Dr Maturin had this problem with his sailor patients! The salve gets hard. This forms a crust. The thicker the crust, the thicker the crust. I think it is far more liable to being knocked off as a thick crust than as just a dot on top of the skin covering the cancer. My mother was full of good ideas in her time, too. She went to a local healer (http://www.rhiw.com/pobol/y_ddafad_wyllt_2.htm) for treatment for her skin cancer in the nineteen sixties. He applied whatever secret substances he used. Instructions: lie in bed until the cancer comes out, and don't sweat. My mother's interpretation: Buy a metal vaccination protector from the chemist. Attach bandages and sling it across your back to stop anything knocking the top off your cancer. Then carry on as normal, especially if relatives come to sympathise in your illness. In that case, rush around preparing food until the vaccination protector knocks the top off your cancer. Continue entertaining your guests. Then put cabbage and /or carrot poultices on the wound for weeks until all the pus stops coming out. Allow to heal over with large scar. Live another forty years and die at the age of 99. No wonder nurses get bossy! Rowena (Bruce Fife just wrote to the coconut group that VCNO is the most effective thing he has seen for skin cancer; it actually kills it and it disappears in a few weeks. Apply to skin and also take 4-7 tablespoons a day. Of course, you can take it as food dishes.) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Since this has been mentioned, I wanted to say that I am now in Day-4 of using this salve on what was most likely a non-melanoma type skin cancer on my shoulder. For years it was a small pencil-eraser sized spot with constantly flakey skin that eventually stopped flaking and became a subcutaneous bump. When it recently began to itch a little, I decided to go ahead with the salve. It has worked so far in a textbook manner with no pain management needed at all. Congratulations, Deborah! Well, if it's show and tell time - we are not far behind you. Here it's C Rowena But your story, Debbie, has encouraged me to experiment on a lump on my leg rather similar to yours on your shoulder. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Deborah, When you say that you are in day-four of using salve, I hope you do not mean that you have been ***applying*** the salve each day? If you have a good salve, only one application is needed, and then you just wait out the time till the eschar heals and falls off, with healthy skin below.. Regards, Gunar - Original Message - From: deborah byron laquerenci...@sbcglobal.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 4:01 AM Subject: CSCANSEMA Salve Since this has been mentioned, I wanted to say that I am now in Day-4 of using this salve on what was most likely a non-melanoma type skin cancer on my shoulder. ... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I hear not - they got squished by the people who know what's best. I hear there is a source in the Bahamas that would probably be Googleable. Also: http://www.bevanpotter.com/ sends to anywhere in the world. That would probably be better for Japan. They are in Queensland. http://health.centreforce.com/ especially read My Story. Also look at My photos. In Western Australia you can get the same thing from http://www.wholisticanimal.com/ but there is a far wider choice in Queensland, like graviola and other herbs by the pound as well as made up remedies. Rowena Australia This is the link I have for Cansema salve. Don't know whether or not it is still viable though. www.altcancer.com/cansema.htm Sasha -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I should clarify that not all of my moles disappeared when using the Essiac- just the one that was very abnormal and the other worrisome spots. For mole removal I have read that many people have success using a cold-pressed castor oil and baking soda paste. I have not tried it yet. Ed was kind enough to pass along a good site for Essiac info. Thanks, Ed. -Raine - Original Message - From: marmar...@aol.com OK -- now I need information for me!! I've got a couple of moles that I'd like to see disappear. What is Essiac Tea and/or Flor-Essence and where would I get that? Thanks. MA
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thanks for the post on Congressman Ron Paul of Texas 14 th district. Great Guy. I have a question on your cancer pH RE: SECOND. Test her Ph. If over 6.8 she does not have Cancer - merely a tumour - please elaborate more on this. or refer me to a site if this goes too far OT. or email me e...@happyherbalist.com test pH of blood, salvia, sweat or urine? thanks, Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: Himagain [mailto:himag...@fablor.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 8:30 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCansema At 01:21 AM 03/03/05, you wrote: And I need it too. My husband was diagnosed yesterday for the third time. Sigh. MA You really will have to face giving up the good life, I'm afraid. :-) Any form of cancer is a very bad sign of systemic intoxication. What sort of blood state is he in? Acid Ph of what sort of level? It can be dropped pretty dramatically by simply changing from a cancerous diet. Only this very day, I had a call from a MD - hysterical because his wife has proved positive for a cancer. What can he do, what can he do??? He *knows* medical treatment is extremely dangerous and ineffective. Same anecdotal reporting of an opinion I once heard out in the jungle somewhere, as I passed to him: FIRST. Do not let her have any invasive treatment. SECOND. Test her Ph. If over 6.8 she does not have Cancer - merely a tumour - THIRD. Whether Ph acid positive or not, get her out of the good life - where do you think tumours and melanomas come from? ( He didn't know - like most Doctors) FOURTH. Cancer is not a big deal - not like losing a leg, or having asbestosis, or physical brain damage. More like being an alcoholic/diabetic. You have demonstrated a weakness for sugar and have a damaged metabolic system. Like owning an old auto, ( even if you are 21!) your body needs TLC from now on. That's all. FIFTH. Fear kills more people than bullets. There is never a time when fear has a use. Never. Any action, any positive action at all will banish it to the animal world where it belongs. Best wishes, Himagain NOTA BENE: NOTHING I say here or elsewhere should be construed as any form of qualified advice on any matter unless specifically paid for at my counselling rate of $2000 per hour. Your due diligence is mandatory in all things - especially in longevity matters. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Bob, This is fabulous and timely news. My blind old lady dog has just popped up with several tumors. I haven't had them tested as of yet to determine if they are benign, or what. I am absolutely determined that my dog will not die of cancer, nor will I subject her to any invasive treatments. This type of suggestion is just what I'm looking for. I do have to ask- do you simply rub it through the hair, or do you shave the spots over the tumors? Thanks so much, Raine with Chino the one-eyed wonder dog - Original Message - From: bbanever Teri, The ingredients are almost identical to most of the cansema type escharotic salves, I have no doubt it will work. I use a similar product on horses to cure melanoma as well as benign tumors in the skin. Works every time... usually within a week or less. Actual malignancies can take longer, but it still works. In fact it can be fed internally for cancer almost anywhere in the body. Dosage is important and must be started slowly with a small amount. A protein source is usually recommeded to be taken at the same time... milk, soy milk, peanut butter, etc. Apparently it buffers the herbs so they aren't as harsh on the stomach lining.Should also be taken with food... never on an empty stomach, usually a pea sized portion or two per day. Bob
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Thanks Himagain -- I'm going to print out your post for him to read. MA
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In a message dated 3/3/05 1:24:27 AM Central Standard Time, rainelov...@sbcglobal.net writes: The appointment was 2 weeks away, so in the meantime I took Essiac Tea (Flor-Essence). By the time my appt. rolled around all spots and the abnormal mole, were gone and I cancelled it. OK -- now I need information for me!! I've got a couple of moles that I'd like to see disappear. What is Essiac Tea and/or Flor-Essence and where would I get that? Thanks. MA
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In a message dated 3/3/05 10:55:39 AM Central Standard Time, edkas...@pacbell.net writes: please elaborate more on this. or refer me to a site if this goes too far OT. or email me e...@happyherbalist.com No -- please elaborate on this right here, if ya don't mind. Thanks.MA
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Raine, I don't know how much your dog weighs but for external application just rub a small amount on the skin over the tumor... yes the salve must touch the skin so you might want to shave the hair in that area. Do this once a day... don't wash the herbs off. Some folks prefer to do this every other day... it'll still work. The area may become dry, itchy or painful to the dog as the tumor dies. If you wish, wipe aloe vera gel on the site when this occurs. - Original Message - From: Raine To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:23 AM Subject: Re: CSCansema Bob, This is fabulous and timely news. My blind old lady dog has just popped up with several tumors. I haven't had them tested as of yet to determine if they are benign, or what. I am absolutely determined that my dog will not die of cancer, nor will I subject her to any invasive treatments. This type of suggestion is just what I'm looking for. I do have to ask- do you simply rub it through the hair, or do you shave the spots over the tumors? Thanks so much, Raine with Chino the one-eyed wonder dog - Original Message - From: bbanever Teri, The ingredients are almost identical to most of the cansema type escharotic salves, I have no doubt it will work. I use a similar product on horses to cure melanoma as well as benign tumors in the skin. Works every time... usually within a week or less. Actual malignancies can take longer, but it still works. In fact it can be fed internally for cancer almost anywhere in the body. Dosage is important and must be started slowly with a small amount. A protein source is usually recommeded to be taken at the same time... milk, soy milk, peanut butter, etc. Apparently it buffers the herbs so they aren't as harsh on the stomach lining.Should also be taken with food... never on an empty stomach, usually a pea sized portion or two per day. Bob
Re: CSCansema Thank You/Pyro-Energen
Teri, If you are dealing with virus I would strongly urge you to look into using the Pyro-Energen machine. It generates negative static electricity and allows the body to destroy virus. It will not kill bacteria but you are dealing with at least one if not more virus. I used it on my head cold recently... it was miraculous. Cold was completely gone in 2 days felt better almost immediately after using the machine. No side effects whatsoever and easy to use. Here is a link for the device. http://www.pyroenergen.com/ Dick Lloyd Ph.D has also used this machine successfully. Good luck. Bob - Original Message - From: Teri Johnston t...@welshspringers.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:04 AM Subject: CSCansema Thank You First I wish to thank each and everyone of you who responded to my questions. As far as testimonials goes I do understand the danger of this. I have started Gary on a Burdock/Dandelion/Echinacea tea this week as I'm awaiting arrival of the organic herbs I've ordered to make Essaic tea and the black salve. I would like to also to say that the many things I have learned over the past couple of years on this list has been wonderful. Personally Gary was treated with the poisons Peg Intron and Rebetol for Hep C before I leaned about CS. He tested positive for Hep C after the FDNY gave him the Hep B vaccine. I suspect the vaccine is what set off all of his health problems. Now this T Cell Lymphoma could be trying to flush those other poisons out of his system The diet changes are difficult but we are making them. Thanks Again, Teri -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 2/28/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 2/28/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCansema
regarding essiac tea a very good source of non-commercial information is available at http://essiac-info.org/ they do some comparison of various outfits as well as some common advice. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCansema In a message dated 3/3/05 1:24:27 AM Central Standard Time, rainelov...@sbcglobal.net writes: The appointment was 2 weeks away, so in the meantime I took Essiac Tea (Flor-Essence). By the time my appt. rolled around all spots and the abnormal mole, were gone and I cancelled it. OK -- now I need information for me!! I've got a couple of moles that I'd like to see disappear. What is Essiac Tea and/or Flor-Essence and where would I get that? Thanks. MA
RE: CSCansema: NOW Ph testing-why?
At 06:30 PM 03/03/05, you wrote: I have a question on your cancer pH RE: SECOND. Test her Ph. If over 6.8 she does not have Cancer - merely a tumour - please elaborate more on this. or refer me to a site if this goes too far OT. or email me e...@happyherbalist.com test pH of blood, salvia, sweat or urine? This is a quickie test for people who are told they have Cancer. A horrific time! Wrong diagnoses are as high as 38% average in the Cancervivor stats and now admitted as high as 50% in female Breast Cancer. All genuine Cancer sufferers have high acid Ph. It doesn't necessarily mean they are mestasising at the time, merely that they are asking for it. ANYONE with acid Ph is already in trouble, healthwise. PH of blood is best, of course, but a crosscheck of urine and saliva taken 3 times over 24 hours - being very aware of what has been ingested ( best nothing at all, but as we know people would STARVE TO DEATH in 24 HOURS) Best starter Site and leads to overall serious researchers of resources is here: http://www.fablor.com/matrixide/library/intro-cancer.rtf There are THOUSANDS of stories/resources out there until August. Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCansema: NOW Ph testing-why?
Google Carey Reams and Reams testing. I believe Terry Chamberlin uses it. TJ - Original Message - From: Himagain himag...@fablor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: RE: CSCansema: NOW Ph testing-why? At 06:30 PM 03/03/05, you wrote: I have a question on your cancer pH RE: SECOND. Test her Ph. If over 6.8 she does not have Cancer - merely a tumour - please elaborate more on this. or refer me to a site if this goes too far OT. or email me e...@happyherbalist.com test pH of blood, salvia, sweat or urine? This is a quickie test for people who are told they have Cancer. A horrific time! Wrong diagnoses are as high as 38% average in the Cancervivor stats and now admitted as high as 50% in female Breast Cancer. All genuine Cancer sufferers have high acid Ph. It doesn't necessarily mean they are mestasising at the time, merely that they are asking for it. ANYONE with acid Ph is already in trouble, healthwise. PH of blood is best, of course, but a crosscheck of urine and saliva taken 3 times over 24 hours - being very aware of what has been ingested ( best nothing at all, but as we know people would STARVE TO DEATH in 24 HOURS) Best starter Site and leads to overall serious researchers of resources is here: http://www.fablor.com/matrixide/library/intro-cancer.rtf There are THOUSANDS of stories/resources out there until August. Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCansema
In a message dated 3/2/2005 9:13:08 AM Central Standard Time, t...@welshspringers.com writes: If anyone has a supply that they have and are willing to part with we need it to treat a skin cancer. And I need it too. My husband was diagnosed yesterday for the third time. Sigh. MA
Re: CSCansema
At 10:21 AM 3/2/2005, you wrote: And I need it too. My husband was diagnosed yesterday for the third time. Sigh. MA MA, I'm so sorry to hear that. What type of skin cancer does your husband have. I have ordered the contents but have no idea how much of each to add to make it. Teri No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 2/28/2005
Re: CSCansema
You can buy a cansema like product here. http://www.altcancercream.com/ Cheers. Bob - Original Message - From: Teri Johnston t...@welshspringers.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: CSCansema Is anyone of the list that makes cansema themselves since it is no longer available? If so could you contact me at t...@welshspringers.com with directions. If anyone has a supply that they have and are willing to part with we need it to treat a skin cancer. Thanks in advance. Teri Johnston -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 2/28/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 2/28/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCansema
In a message dated 3/2/2005 9:52:58 AM Central Standard Time, t...@welshspringers.com writes: What type of skin cancer does your husband have. Melanoma, both times before. We're waiting for the biopsies again. This time they found three of them -- both times before there was only one. MA
Re: CSCansema
In a message dated 3/2/2005 9:52:58 AM Central Standard Time, t...@welshspringers.com writes: I have ordered the contents but have no idea how much of each to add to make it. I don't even know what the contents are, or even what it's supposed to do. Will appreciate any info. MA
Re: CSCansema - Recipe
I have ordered the contents but have no idea how much of each to add to make it. For a recipe go here: http://www.barefoot.homeunix.org/~sunwatt/index2.html Until you get the ingredients, I'd apply CS mixed with DMSO. Best, Heidi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCansema
At 11:04 AM 3/2/2005, you wrote: You can buy a cansema like product here. http://www.altcancercream.com/ Bob, Thanks for the link. Have you used this product? There are no testimonials on the site for me to read. Teri -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 2/28/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 2/28/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
