Re: [TV orNotTV] Talk of a LeBlexit on "Top Gear"

[Adam Bowie]

The press release is here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2016/le-blanc-top-gear

According to The Guardian, it's a two-year deal, and the BBC has agreed a
deal that allows Le Blanc work around his schedule for Man With a Plan:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/26/top-gear-matt-leblanc-bbc-chris-harris-rory-reid-stig

I'd guess that the next series will feature a few more north American
films...



Adam


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Per a press release posted on Top Gear's Instagram, LeBlanc and the rest
> of the new cast (minus Chris Evans) have all been confirmed for the next
> series
>
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2016, Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From the TGUK survey:
>>
>> Thank you for continuing to tell us what you think of the series; last
>> week you told us that you enjoyed the Rolls Royce challenge, and continue
>> to enjoy Chris Harris and Rory Reid’s car reviews.
>> ...
>> Before you go we'd like to give you the chance to provide your own video
>> review of the new series! Simply send a short (30-60 second) video to
>> ad...@topgearconsumerpanel.com and let us know exactly what you thought
>> of the series!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I haven't seen this week's episode yet, nor have I been emailed the
>> link to this week's TG UK survey. Both should be interesting.
>> >
>> > From the get-go, all that's mattered to me is the chemistry among the
>> hosts. It's what made the Jeremy, James, and Richard version work. It's
>> what made the canceled TG Australia work. It's what made the now-canceled
>> TG US work. TG UK packed a lot of "petrol-heads" into hosting positions
>> with its revamp, and as individual presenters, some were good, others not.
>> But I don't feel the chemistry among these hosts.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Chris Evans is stepping down from Top Gear (UK):
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36707266
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> It sounds like the US version has now been cancelled:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/28/12049986/top-gear-usa-canc
>> elled-history-channel
>> >>>
>> >>> Returning to the dubious story about LeBlanc and Evans having a feud
>> for a moment, I'd want a better source than The Sun. I think the bigger
>> issue is that LeBlanc is unlikely to be available all that much for the
>> next season since his sitcom schedule will surely rule out all but a few
>> car tests on the West Coast somewhere.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Adam
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:53 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> No idea as to the USA show's ratings, but the ~17 month gap between
>> this season and the previous one makes me think someone's not as keen on
>> the show as they used to be.  Not sure if that's History, the production
>> company, or some other person/party.  Personally I think the on-air product
>> is as good as it ever was, if not better.  I don't even mind the slurping
>> over exotic cars that's been a bit shoehorned this season.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I *think* the last episode of the current run premieres on Tuesday,
>> with the boys trying not to get in trouble in Cuba.  FWIW, Adam Ferrara
>> live-tweeted during last week's episode, maybe he'll do it again Tuesday.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> David
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> From: Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> To: "tvornottv@googlegroups.com" <tvornottv@googlegroups.com>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 6:03 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Talk of a LeBlexit on "Top Gear"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> While I'd like this story to be true, I'm always dubious of unnamed
>> sources
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In other Top Gear news, has anyone seen the ratings for the latest
>> season of Top Gear America? I've 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Simpsons mega-mara-wanna? II

[Adam Bowie]

I'm sure there are some second run rules, but isn't it really just a PR
story?

"Nobody" is really going to be sitting up at 4am to watch S05E14 or
whatever. I assumed the post Thanksgiving date was to do with nobody
running new episodes of anything between then and Christmas.

Therefore non-stop Simpsons reruns will rate as well as anything else at
that point.

I must admit I've never quite understood the basically "no new episodes in
December" thing. I assume as rates are lower. But broadly December always
seems to be midseason break time from what I can fathom.

Adam

On 23 Sep 2016 19:07, "M-D November"  wrote:

> Could there be some time constraint on 2nd run rights?  Or, more
> practically, FXX just knows that people will be home on Thanksgiving day
> weekend (much as they planned the first ESE marathon to end on Labor Day
> weekend).
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, Doug Fields wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I got the same error, so I haven't read the article yet, but am I
>> the only one who finds it odd that you would start a "celebration" on
>> Thanksgiving, for an even that occurred six weeks earlier?
>>
>> Doug Fields
>> Tampa, FL
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Simpsons mega-mara-wanna? II
>> From: Mark Jeffries 
>> Date: Fri, September 23, 2016 11:58 am
>> To: tvor...@googlegroups.com
>>
>> 404.
>>
>> Mark Jeffries
>> Saints Spotlight Editor
>> spotligh...@gmail.com
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Brad Beam  wrote:
>>
>>> To celebrate “The Simpsons”’ 600th episode – this year’s Treehouse of
>>> Horror (10/19) – FXX will be rerunning those 600 episodes in order,
>>> starting on Thanksgiving Day.
>>> http://www.ew.com/article/2016/09/22/
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Simpsons mega-mara-wanna? II

[Adam Bowie]

It's in their Most Shared column:
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/09/22/simpsons-fxx-600-episodes-marathon


On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 5:13 PM,  wrote:

> Yeah, I got the same error, so I haven't read the article yet, but am I
> the only one who finds it odd that you would start a "celebration" on
> Thanksgiving, for an even that occurred six weeks earlier?
>
> Doug Fields
> Tampa, FL
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Simpsons mega-mara-wanna? II
> From: Mark Jeffries 
> Date: Fri, September 23, 2016 11:58 am
> To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com
>
> 404.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> Saints Spotlight Editor
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Brad Beam  wrote:
>
>> To celebrate “The Simpsons”’ 600th episode – this year’s Treehouse of
>> Horror (10/19) – FXX will be rerunning those 600 episodes in order,
>> starting on Thanksgiving Day.
>> http://www.ew.com/article/2016/09/22/
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'British Bake-Off' Leaving Beeb for C4

[Adam Bowie]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Steve Williams <skillagest...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Wednesday, 14 September 2016 00:43:42 UTC+1, Adam Bowie wrote:
>>
>> The biggest thing here is that Channel 4 seemed to have bought the format
>> without securing the talent. As Mark mentions above the two presenters have
>> announced they're quitting, and the pressure will be on to see what the two
>> judges, Paul and Mary, do. Without the talent, C4 has basically bought a
>> large tent in a field, and I would suspect will really struggle to recoup
>> its investment. Oddly enough, which network airs a show is a *big thing* in
>> the UK, and the production company are probably seen as really greedy by
>> the public at large for not doing a deal with the BBC.
>>
>
> The other issue with this is that Channel 4 are obliged by law to
> innovate. It's clearly stated in their remit -
> http://www.channel4.com/info/corporate/about/channel-4s-remit - to wit,
> "Our overall role is to champion innovation in TV, film & digital –
> nurturing and growing new ideas, formats, views and voices, faces, talent,
> audiences and production companies." Poaching the most popular show on
> British TV for 25 million pounds would seem somewhat at odds with that, and
> Michael Grade - former CEO of Channel Four, of course - has been in the
> media pointing out that, at a time when C4 are running a campaign to avoid
> privatisation, this is the worst thing they could have done.
>
> One great example of this from the past came in the eighties where Thames
> poached Dallas from the BBC, after offering the distributors a huge amount
> of money. This was a huge controversy because it breached the gentleman's
> agreement that the networks didn't get involved in bidding wars for each
> other's programmes, to stop costs spiralling out of control, and even the
> rest of the ITV network, who weren't consulted about it, said Thames had
> behaved in a shoddy and underhand manner. In the end Thames had to
> humiliatingly give them back, and the CEO of Thames resigned.
>
> Someone I follow on Twitter was suggesting putting a bet on the next
> series of Bake Off being on BBC1. Given how badly this is going so far, I
> would endorse that.
>
> (BTW, I do work for the BBC. But not a part that has anything to do with
> this.)
>
> The other really interesting thing is the future of Channel 4 as a whole.
The previous Culture Secretary (who seemed to dislike UK television quite a
lot), was considering plans to privatise Channel 4. If that happened,
there'd be a fair to middling chance that a US company might come in and
buy the network. Channel 5 is owned by Viacom after all.

[Side question: Is it still the case that a British company wouldn't be
allowed by law to buy a US network, even if there was one big enough to
swallow a network up? Murdoch became an "American" just to buy Fox didn't
he?]

It's not clear that privatisation - or partial privatisation is completely
off the cards. And Channel 4 is behaving a little less like an alternative
channel as its remit noted above says it should be. Buying Bake Off is just
one part of it. They also recently aired a series called Naked Attractions
in which, well, I'll let you Google it. Just lets say that unlike Naked
Dating or Naked and Afraid, there were close-ups and absolutely no
pixelation or blurring whatsoever. A lot of UK media commentators were
surprised that they aired this while their future is in the balance. Only
today, an editorial in The Sun (proprietor: R Murdoch) calls for the
channel's privatisation off the back of this.

Channel 4 is unique in the UK broadcasting sector in that it has a need to
be challenging, is free to air, and is very supportive of minority groups.
It would be stupid if something like this wrecked part of the British
broadcast ecology.

Right - I'll get off my soapbox now...

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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'British Bake-Off' Leaving Beeb for C4

[Adam Bowie]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:17:31 PM UTC-4, Tom Wolper wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Bob Jersey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>

 Given they conduct contests that ostensibly are limited to the UK, that
>>> alone is an ironclad reason to block.
>>>
>>
>> It isn't blocked for me in the USA.
>>
>> Well, the other possible explanations are:
> 1. My suckily-slow connection is too slow for them.
> 2. My security settings are stopping them.
> 3. My javascript issues are too much for them.
>

While this is all far too much effort to trial a radio station from across
the Atlantic, there's always TuneIn. The mobile app tends to work well.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'British Bake-Off' Leaving Beeb for C4

[Adam Bowie]

This is all front page news in the UK because this is the biggest show on
British television. And when I say biggest, I mean bigger than everything,
including the Olympics, England football and anything else.

A couple of things worth noting here:

- BBC One and ITV are the biggest two networks, and quite simply, switching
channels beyond those two will definitely see a fall in ratings if all
things remained the same.

- Channel 4 is probably about the fourth biggest network in the UK, but
although it's a state broadcaster (so not privately owned), it's funded by
advertising.

- It seems that the production company that owns the rights, Love
Productions, may have turned down an even bigger offer from ITV where it
wouldn't have fitted.

- Love Productions, which created and owns the format, is 70% owned by Sky
which in turn is 39% owned by Rupert Murdoch.

The biggest thing here is that Channel 4 seemed to have bought the format
without securing the talent. As Mark mentions above the two presenters have
announced they're quitting, and the pressure will be on to see what the two
judges, Paul and Mary, do. Without the talent, C4 has basically bought a
large tent in a field, and I would suspect will really struggle to recoup
its investment. Oddly enough, which network airs a show is a *big thing* in
the UK, and the production company are probably seen as really greedy by
the public at large for not doing a deal with the BBC. They may have
thought that they had the BBC over a barrel because it's the biggest show
on TV, but a tough new funding regime and a need not to  be bullied means
the BBC clearly played hardball and lost.

I suspect that it won't happen, but yes, it would be very easy to
reconstitute another competitive cookery show. Indeed Masterchef remains
fairly popular on BBC One (with a spinoff on BBC Two) having run in one
guise or another for many years. I can, however, seeing all involved
getting lots of other shows on the BBC if they don't go to C4. While the
BBC is fairly constrained in what it can pay key talent compared with what,
say, ITV might pay, there are other benefits. Popular shows like Bake Off
see spin-off recipe books become best sellers, and there's lots of money to
be made there by the talent. The bigger the show, the more books get sold.

It'll be one to watch.


Adam (Who met his old boss last week to hear about the new Union Jack
service. It's based on the Jack FM format, the rights to which they own in
the UK. The difference being that it's not there to compete with local
services (this is national), so skews older, and yes, more British.
www.unionjack.co.uk where you might be able to listen without being blocked
if you're outside the UK)



On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:24 AM, David Risner  wrote:

> I believe the season currently running on BBC1 is the seventh season, as
> the sixth season just finished running on PBS here in the states a few
> weeks ago.
>
> Hard to imagine the show continuing without Paul & Mary. I can see it
> without Sue & Mel, although I would rather not. Having watched some of the
> Australian version which doesn’t have Paul & Mary, I would really hate to
> see them go. It just wouldn’t be the same show.
>
> I wonder if BBC can reconstitute the show with Sue, Mel, Paul, and Mary
> with a slightly different format and, of course, a different name.
>
> I remember Bravo trying to make a replacement for Project Runway when it
> jumped ship to Lifetime. It didn’t work too well, but it also didn’t have
> any of the PR cast of judges and hosts.
>
>
> > On Sep 13, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
> >
> > "The Great British Bake-Off," or as it's called on PBS, "The Great
> British Baking Show," the world's most civil reality show, will move next
> year from the Beeb's primary network BBC1 to Channel 4, the
> commercial-but-not-for-profit net that hasn't had a reality hit since "Big
> Brother" moved to Channel 5 a few years ago--the current sixth season is
> running on the One right now:
> >
> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bbc-lose-british-bake-927930
> >
> > Snarky-yet-civil hosts Sue Perkins and Mel Giedroyc want the show to
> stay on the Beeb and have already announced that they will not move with
> the show to C4.  It is rumoured that judges Paul Hollywood and Mary Berry
> are also against the network switch, which may leave producers Love
> Productions to find a whole new cast.  (Meanwhile, Union Jack, the digital
> radio station created by a bunch of Adam's former mates at Absolute Radio
> for the owners of the Jack FM franchise in the UK, which plays nothing but
> music by British artists, boasts on its web site that it is "more British
> than Mary Berry's soggy bottoms."  If you watch the show, you'll get it.)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: WTF With FB News?

[Adam Bowie]

I think that this Guardian piece has a very fair summary of what Facebook
needs to be doing. And that's probably hiring an editor to avoid these
kinds of thing in the future:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/10/facebook-news-media-editor-vietnam-photo-censorship

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:46 AM, PGage  wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Kevin M. 
> wrote:
>
>> I never said their choices for what is considered trending actually
>> applied to the users who see them. I don't want 99% of what I see as
>> trending on Facebook or Twitter, but I'm accustomed to that and generally
>> ignore any content being spoonfed to me. But I'm a middle aged white guy
>> with no spouse, no kids, and a scary low income. In other words, I'm out of
>> every demographic -- were I a Facebook marketing analyst, I wouldn't have a
>> clue what to push my way either.
>
>
> Okay - but what I am telling you is that something has dramatically
> changed about the way the FB is setting up its news feed, in a way that has
> no apparent benefit to Facebook. The most obvious explanation to me is that
> their algorithm is not ready.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: WTF With FB News?

[Adam Bowie]

Gawker and TMZ were, or are not aimed at everyone. Yes - they want to
maximise page views and did all they could to do so. But that was amongst
their target audience.

For starters both were aimed squarely at Americans, and Americans
interested in gossip of one sort or another. I'm not saying non-Americans
don't or didn't read them, but their target was in the US.

Facebook is GLOBAL. It's aimed at everyone from 13 (and in reality younger)
to grandparents wanting to see family photos. We're literally talking about
billions of users.

So no, Facebook actually wants to be read by all, and crap in the trending
box really doesn't help. And they know it, and will probably fix it.

Let's also not forget about internet.org - Zuckerberg's piece for the third
world. The disconnected. He actually wants to make Facebook *the internet*
for billions more. He's been trying to deals with mobile operators in India
(without success so far) and just this last week in Nigeria, amongst many
other places. Free  internet.org services on any cellphone - but to his
services. It's a walled garden approach. Like when AOL wasn't the internet.

And if he's controlling the news on what to many people *is* the internet,
that makes what Facebook does or doesn't allow enormously important. Scary
frankly.

On 9 Sep 2016 22:54, "Kevin M."  wrote:



On Friday, September 9, 2016, PGage  wrote:

>
> I understand that is what you are claiming; what I am having trouble
> believing is that it is actually true that the kinds of stories they are
> posting will actually get them more page clicks.
>
>
> Gawker was seen by millions. Time posts Kardashian/Jenner stories multiple
times a day. TMZ doesn't exist to share happy, friendly gossip.

There is a market for media that appeals to the worst aspects of human
nature. In skilled hands, that can be a profitable market.



>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm making the claim that Facebook doesn't differentiate between sleaze
>> and non-sleaze (or news and non-news). All that matters to them is getting
>> page clicks.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: WTF With FB News?

[Adam Bowie]

FIrst to note is that Facebook has now backed down on the "napalm girl"
photo:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/09/facebook-reinstates-napalm-girl-photo

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:

> Much like the late Gawker, Facebook's goal is to draw the masses to the
> website. The goal is not to provide or distribute information, merely to
> share (and get users to share) content to keep people interested.


Just because a website doesn't consider itself part of the news-media, for
better or for worse, it *is* a dissipater of news. They've actively done
deals with news providers to get outlets to use Facebook, most recently
encouraging the uptake of Facebook Instant Articles (those little lightning
logos which mean that FB serves the story rather than, say, the NYT).

62% of Americans say they get news from social media with 66% of FB users
saying they do (
http://www.journalism.org/2016/05/26/news-use-across-social-media-platforms-2016/
).

Zuckerberg may not have set out to build a news resource, but one way or
another he has one. (There's a lot wrong with the way news is presented and
surfaced in FB, but that's for another day.)

And they're disrupting even the digital advertising plans of other news
outlets, that had already been disrupted by the internet in first place. A
number of news providers that had been seeing increase digital advertising
revenues have now seen them flatten out, while that revenue has gone to FB,
built upon those shared links that FB uses to keep you on its platform.
It's hoovering up digital cash.

Look, I'm not here to defend commercial news organisations that are seeing
their business models obliterated by digital newcomers. They exist in a
capitalist system. But those digital newcomers can't just ignore all
responsibility. FB was completely wrong to just get rid of its editorial
team, and as PGage said, should have either trained them or hired new
independent editors. It's not like there's a shortage of journalists
looking for jobs! And it's not as though FB can't afford that kind of
thing.

FB also needs to take its editorial responsibilities more seriously. They
might have a blanket ban on nipples appearing on the site, but there will
always be "edge" cases including mothers breastfeeding, or one of the most
famous and important news photos in the history of visual media.


>
> Also worth noting that, unlike Twitter, Facebook doesn't label paid posts
> as ads in its trending topics (they did start referring to posts as
> "sponsored" in the news feeds, finally). So there is no way of knowing
> which topics are trending due to popularity vs those somebody paid to make
> trending.
>

Perhaps FB does it differently in the UK and Europe, but perhaps not.
Either way, such action would be illegal over here, and anything that's
advertising, including on FB, Twitter or wherever, should be labelled as
such. Plenty of celebrities posting paid Tweets fall foul of this
incidentally.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: WTF With FB News?

[Adam Bowie]

Basically FB has fired the team that used to put manually put that trending
sidebar together. This followed that report that suggested the team were
too "liberal" and weren't including right-leaning stories in the trending
section.

Instead, FB has gone for an algorithmic approach, but so far with fairly
disastrous results. There was a fake Megyn Kelly story a couple of weeks
ago, when they first introduced it (more on that here:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/29/facebook-fires-trending-topics-team-algorithm),
and now it seems to be full of click-bait and/or ultra-trivial rubbish.
There's no filter, and whatever people are sharing goes in regardless of
accuracy or importance.

Of the ten stories I see on the main tab right now, only one has actual
proper news value. The rest are at best "entertainment news."

The other FB story at the moment is their censorship of the "Napalm girl"
Pulitzer prize-winning photo of Kim Phuc taken during the Vietnam War. FB
considers this nudity, and has prevented a Norwegian newspaper and Prime
Minister of Norway from publishing it without blurring or pixilation!
(Story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37318031).

I think the comment at the foot of the BBC story really gets to the heart
of the matter. FB considers itself a technology company as opposed to a
media company, and therefore works in a different way. But like it or not,
with so many people getting their news from FB, they are indeed a media
company. And they therefore have to take responsibility for both
propagating nonsense stories and censorship according to their own rules.


Adam



On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 4:57 PM, PGage  wrote:

> Something has been happening with the stories pushed on the home page of
> my Facebook. This has never been a source of the most trusted news stories,
> but at least in the past there was some semblance of newsiness to them. But
> for the last few days (or maybe longer, I don't read this that often) the
> stories have been the worst kind of third rate blog drool. The one pasted
> below is from this morning about Meghan McCain and is typical, from
> something called prntly.com.
>
> I don't have a big enough sample to tell if they are all or mostly
> hyper-conservative in nature - is this some kind of make-up for the story a
> few months ago that teh FB was skewing liberal somehow in their news feed
> stories?
> Angry Meghan ‘miss piggie’ McCain enraged that Lauer didn’t ask Trump more
> about Iraq
> 18 hours ago  Shelby Carella   no
> Responses  1585 Views
>
> Meghan McCain doesn’t just look like Miss Piggie, and is only on TV
> because he dad lost to Obama in 2008, but she also has a pig-like
> conception of politics.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Gretchen Carlson sues Roger Ailes for sexual harassment

[Adam Bowie]

I've only just got around to reading Friday's New York magazine piece. It's
long and full of colour, and I don't think the link has been directly
shared here:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/how-fox-news-women-took-down-roger-ailes.html



On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Jon Delfin  wrote:
>
>> I wonder if this will have any effect on Ailes v. New York Magazine.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Steve Timko 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That was quick.Gretchen Carlson settles for $20 million, gets an
>>> apology. Fox settles with Gretchen Carlson over Roger Ailes sexual
>>> harassment claims http://www.theguardian.com/med
>>> ia/2016/sep/06/fox-news-gretchen-carlson-settlement-roger-ailes
>>>
>> First to Steve's point: it was quick because they got Carlson to agree
> not to sue anybody else at Fox as enablers. The Murdoch sons want to
> pretend that Ailes was a rogue and was thrown out to restore propriety. It
> was clear that senior staff at FNC knew about Ailes and covered for him and
> they are still there.
>
> As for Ailes v NY Magazine, Fox has an interest in it not moving forward.
> NY Magazine has libel insurance so they are not intimidated. If the lawsuit
> moves forward there is a discovery phase where everybody has to open up
> their records to the other side's attorneys. In this case Fox are the ones
> who have to open their records, not just Ailes. And anything turned up in
> discovery can be leaked to the media so Fox will not stand behind Ailes.
> And baseline competence says that the legal department of NY Magazine
> checked the stories and sources before they were published.
>
> So Fox admitted wrongdoing by Ailes in their settlement with Carlson and
> they do not want attorneys going through their records and communications
> as part of an Ailes suit.
>
> In other news from FNC, Greta Van Susteren announced that she is leaving
> the channel immediately. She publicly defended Ailes when the story broke.
>
> http://www.politico.com/media/story/2016/09/greta-van-
> susteren-abruptly-leaves-fox-news-004744
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Rio 2016 Paralympics: CBC Sports to provide extensive coverage | CBCSports.ca Mobile

[Adam Bowie]

In the UK, Channel 4 have the rights to the Paralympics, and like CBC, they
go big on them:

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-unveils-rio-paralympics-team

One of C4's lead presenters is Clare Balding, who did similar duties for
the BBC (in the UK, as there seems to be more sharing of sports presenters
across quasi-rival networks, with the presenters being freelance rather
than employees on exclusive contracts).

As in 2012, C4 produced a showstopper promo video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IocLkk3aYlk


Adam

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Doug Eastick  wrote:

> http://www.cbc.ca/m/sports/paralympics/rio-2016-paralympics-1.3740283
>
>
> FYI.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Another New Jerseyan cleared for "Dancing"

[Adam Bowie]

Meanwhile this side of the pond, Strictly Come Dancing (as DWTS is known
over here) has also signed an Olympian gymnast (Claudia Fragapane),
obviously from Team GB. Actually, there's also our champion long jumper in
this round although neither of them actually won medals this time around. I
assume wherever the format is sold, Olympians are swiftly being signed up
for upcoming seasons.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> That would be Old Bridge Township's Laurie Hernandez, youngest of the
> gawld-winning US women's gymnastics side in Rio.
>
> *International Gymnast*
> 
> (link), who also hinted at the presence of a former Brady donning the
> shoes...
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Build a Wall!

[Adam Bowie]

Perhaps put alligators in it? Or sharks? I mean if it runs Atlantic to
Pacific, it could be full of salt water...

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Doug Eastick <east...@mcd.on.ca> wrote:

> Adam a moat???Don't you realize that this thread started because
> American's came across a RIVER to Canada?Not even a moat will stop them
> drunken Americans!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In any case, I don't think Trump's thinking big enough.
>>
>> Never mind a wall, he should build a moat! It would make the Panama Canal
>> seem like small fry. I'm sure Mexico (and Canada) would be delighted to pay!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 4:53 PM, <d...@flids.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That's fair.  About half of us over here have no interest in it either.
>>>
>>> Doug Fields
>>> Tampa, FL
>>>
>>>  Original Message 
>>> Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Build a Wall!
>>> From: Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk>
>>> Date: Wed, August 24, 2016 11:43 am
>>> To: tvornottv <tvornottv@googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>> I don't think this side of the pond anyone's interested in paying for
>>> any walls.
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam (Watching John Oliver and - yes, still - The Daily Show, and
>>> generally despairing...)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Bob Jersey <bob.in.jer...@juno.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doug Fields, to moi:
>>>>>
>>>>> I imagine A dam's gonna have opinion about that.  :)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And he just posted in the last day or so... sorry, pal. B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Build a Wall!

[Adam Bowie]

In any case, I don't think Trump's thinking big enough.

Never mind a wall, he should build a moat! It would make the Panama Canal
seem like small fry. I'm sure Mexico (and Canada) would be delighted to pay!

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 4:53 PM, <d...@flids.net> wrote:

> That's fair.  About half of us over here have no interest in it either.
>
> Doug Fields
> Tampa, FL
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Build a Wall!
> From: Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk>
> Date: Wed, August 24, 2016 11:43 am
> To: tvornottv <tvornottv@googlegroups.com>
>
> I don't think this side of the pond anyone's interested in paying for any
> walls.
>
>
> Adam (Watching John Oliver and - yes, still - The Daily Show, and
> generally despairing...)
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Bob Jersey <bob.in.jer...@juno.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Doug Fields, to moi:
>>>
>>> I imagine A dam's gonna have opinion about that.  :)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And he just posted in the last day or so... sorry, pal. B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Build a Wall!

[Adam Bowie]

I don't think this side of the pond anyone's interested in paying for any
walls.


Adam (Watching John Oliver and - yes, still - The Daily Show, and generally
despairing...)

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

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> Doug Fields, to moi:
>>
>> I imagine A dam's gonna have opinion about that.  :)
>>
>>>
>>> And he just posted in the last day or so... sorry, pal. B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Quick Amazon pilot reviews: "TheTick," "Jean-Claude Van Johnson," "I Love Dick"

[Adam Bowie]

I watched the Van Damme pilot and speak as someone who has never knowingly
watched any of his films. I'm more likely to know him from bad beer
commercials, and a truck ad.

I confess that I only found it moderately amusing, and frankly couldn't see
where they could possibly take this were it to go to series. The premise is
clearly ludicrous, but that's not really the problem. It felt like a long
sketch rather than setting up a full series.

And it's beginning to annoy me more and more that there's such an age
disparity between leading man and his love interest. Van Damme is 55, and
looks it, while his potential love interest in this is 38. Not the most
egregious age difference ever, but enough to annoy me. And in the opening
scene Van Damme is shown basically kicking out of his house, some one-night
stand, again clearly 20 or more years younger than him.

I know it's a comedy, but I kind of get fed up.

There's plenty enough much better TV for my attention.



Adam



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>
> Dunne had occasional appearances on "Damages," initially on FX and later
> on DirecTV Audience.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC's Unforgivable Sin [Was: I tried watching the Olympics...]

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On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 6:42 PM, PGage  wrote:

> The online feed definitely has a lot of non US commentators. The
> gymnastics seem to be American (but not the ones on NBC) though I guess
> they could be neutered Canadians. The Rugby and Archery seem British to me.
>
>
A bit like many international events, it seems that Olympic Broadcasting
Services also offers a "World Feed" commentary in English for all events.
It obviously won't reference any specific network, but means that there is
some context for archery/handball/whatever. I believe that these tend to be
quite international things with British, Australian and Americans among
others. But they do tend to know their sport well.

It seems that the BBC is certainly using this for some minor events. For
events that they know there is an audience for, there's a usually familiar
voice on commentary duty.

(The BBC is also covering many events for radio, and they sent their chief
cricket commentator, Jonathan Agnew to  Rio to cover... equestrian events.
Agnew was told he was going over a year ago, and had an entertaining blog
detailing how he has thrown himself into the sport so that he can do it
justice. There's a lot there, but if you read nothing else, read his piece
"The Incident in the Stables" at the top of the page -
http://www.jonathanagnew.com/rio-2016/)

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Mark Jeffries 
 wrote:

> And didn't the BBC used to share its coverage with ITV?
>

Only on four occasions: 1968 and 1972,  I either wasn't born for or don't
remember.  I do remember 1984 because the time difference made everything
interesting very late. ITV bought the two "V" mini-series and used them
nightly to keep audiences entertained until the blue-riband events began.
In 1988, ITV actually further shared its coverage with Channel 4! At
breakfast there was the bizarre sight of the BBC's chief film critic, Barry
Norman, presenting coverage.

The BBC has covered the Olympics non-stop since 1928.


Adam

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Re: [TV orNotTV] CAN swimming - Mark on Penny

[Adam Bowie]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
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>
> (apologies if the links don't work outside Canada.  I hope the CBC opens
> up these clips for other countries).
>
>
I love how invariably the pre-roll ads always seem to work internationally,
but of course the main video doesn't. That said, the pre-rolls were all CBC
house ads. I'll probably skip the Canadian Dragon's Den, just like I skip
the British one...

(I'll give it a go later at home via a VPN)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: NBC's Unforgivable Sin [Was: I tried watching the Olympics...]

[Adam Bowie]

I've been sitting here quietly watching the talk about NBC's coverage, and
I thought it might we worth comparing and contrasting NBC with what the BBC
is doing in the UK for these Olympics.

The main channel - BBC1 - is just about all Olympics all the time. The only
exceptions are for the news, and the primetime soap Eastenders (they
literally throw the Olympic coverage to BBC2 for half an hour and then come
back - very odd). Essentially it's around the clock coverage otherwise.
This is all presented by various announcers in different parts of Rio each
doing their own stints. So sometimes from a studio over the beach, and
other times from within the Olympic Park. And the presenters are nearly all
sports presenters - not breakfast show presenters for example.

BBC2 shows "as live" coverage of what you missed in the small hours, from
first thing in the morning for a few hours. But otherwise is the BBC's
non-Olympic alternative.

And BBC4 has also dropped all regular programming, and offers an
alternative mix of fully presented sports until about 2am UK time.

Beyond that, on digital platforms we get every sport live, almost always
with a commentator, although sometimes with long gaps of silence. There are
no ads of course. This will be the same set of fully produced feeds from
Olympic Broadcasting Services that other broadcasters like NBC and NHK in
Japan offer their viewers on their digital feeds. On my satellite platform
I can watch 8 HD broadcast feeds (down from 24 in London), with the rest
being offered via streaming platforms. In my case they're integrated into
my TV set, so although these other streams are via IP, I can still watch on
my actual TV. For the most part though, producers pick and choose the
sports most likely to appeal to UK audiences and put them on one of the
broadcast streams. The BBC has essentially sub-let some extra broadcasting
capacity for the period of the games.

Due to time differences, we get a different mix of sport in our peak
although gymnastics, for example, seems to happen early enough that we get
to see that live around the 10pm news. It has been swimming that has been
notably ending the latest - finishing close to midnight local time.

There's always an interesting question about how partisan the BBC's
coverage should be and actually is. Britain has been pretty successful in
recent Olympic cycles - not least in London - but isn't so successful that
every single medal of whatever colour, isn't covered fully. You'd think the
whole country was interested in kayaking when we won a gold in that on
Wednesday, such was the coverage. And it certainly can't harm that diving
has been squarely in peak with some British success this time around.

Last night he track cycling started - something that Britain has invested a
lot in. Consequently there was a lot of cycling in peak. Indeed it seems
the IOC has scheduled track cycling with Europe in mind.

I think I find the BBC's coverage a tiny bit jingoistic and a little bit
too celebratory for my own tastes, but your mileage may vary. You notice it
most when a medal is dependent on someone else making a mistake in their
routine. Are the commentators "hoping" the competitors will screw up?

What we don't get are endless pre-packaged films of athletes overcoming
adversary to compete in the game, a la The X-Factor. And the games are
treated as a sports event - even if it's one that has a wider than usual
reach - hence rules explanations if needed.

But we do see other competitors, and even if it's obvious a Brit is going
to lose, we stay with coverage. That said, if it's a sport Britain's not
really any good at - handball for example - you're not likely to see much,
if any, coverage on the main channels.

And live is just becoming more important than ever. Whenever GB wins a
medal, my Twitter feed explodes with alerts and animated medal GIFs. The
idea that I could somehow make it through to a primetime show without
knowing the result ahead of time is just nonsense.

Rio and London probably haven't been too bad for EST viewers - Rio
especially. But Tokyo will be completely different. There's a 13 hour time
difference to account for. Sure, that is close to Beijing, but our levels
of digital connection will be so much greater...

Anyway, if you know your way around a VPN, give iPlayer a whirl if you're
interested.

As it happens, Discovery (who own the Eurosport pan-European set of sports
channels) has bought most European Olympic rights from 2018. The BBC
already had 2018 and 2020 rights in the UK, but Discovery owns the rights
for 2022 and 2024 in the UK. The BBC has already agreed sub-licencing deals
with Discovery 2022 and 2024 in return for offering Discovery sub-licencing
rights in 2018 and 2020. Sadly it seems that we might not get quite as full
a set of free digital offerings in the future. Time will tell.

As part of the deal, Discovery was supposed to be helping the IOC with
their Olympic channel. But as has already been 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Gretchen Carlson sues Roger Ailes for sexual harassment

[Adam Bowie]

This report suggests that more people are getting in touch with Carlson's
lawyers with similar complaints:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jul/07/gretchen-carlson-roger-ailes-fox-news-lawsuit-other-women

As for the seriousness of the internal inquiry, based on what the Murdochs
have done in Britain with their newspapers when they closed down the very
profitable News of the World after the hacking scandal, I don't doubt that
they would perform major surgery to save the patient.

FNC is very profitable; people can be replaced.


Adam

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:

> This was a good story. I didn't watch the show so I didn't realize
> they had significant on-air tension.
>
> http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/fox-news-and-friends-gretchen-carlson-steve-doocy-brian-kilmeade-sexual-harassment-roger-ailes-lawsuit-214029
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:43 PM, Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, Fox says there will be an internal investigation (and don't
> be
> >> sure that it will be perfunctory, since it's no secret that James and
> >> Lachlan Murdoch, who are running 21st Century Fox, are not as enamored
> of
> >> Ailes as their father), while Ailes has predictably fiercely defended
> >> himself in a statement and calls the suit "offensive," hinting that
> Carlson
> >> should be glad that her talents were appreciated so much at FNC (oh,
> >> intercourse me):
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.thewrap.com/fox-news-launches-internal-review-into-roger-ailes-sexual-harassment-allegations
> >>
> >> Granted, FNC's main audience isn't going to think that there's anything
> >> wrong going on here, but if Carlson's claims are legitimate (and I
> suspect
> >> they are), either Ailes is gone or he figures out a way to get out of
> it and
> >> throws Doocy overboard.  Considering that a chronic abuser of women in
> >> Chicago was recently forced to close his theater company for even worse
> >> actions (and granted, theater's a lot more liberal-leaning than Fox
> News),
> >> Ailes is not safe.
> >
> >
> > The FNC internal investigation is for damage control. Now that this is in
> > the public, they want to see if other employees will step forward and
> either
> > corroborate Carlson's story or say that they were harassed in the same
> way.
> > They then have to decide whether a quiet settlement or public court
> fight is
> > preferable.
> >
> > And let's acknowledge Carlson's courage. Her social media probably (since
> > hers and mine don't overlap I can't verify it) blew up today with angry
> > violent misogyny and that would continue into the foreseeable future.
> Unless
> > she wants to leave the public sphere she can't just disconnect from those
> > platforms. Plus she is seen as betraying the conservative movement and
> that
> > increases the anger. She can no longer work in conservative media and if
> > that's where her heart is, it's now closed to her for good.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Talk of a LeBlexit on "Top Gear"

[Adam Bowie]

Chris Evans is stepping down from Top Gear (UK):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36707266


On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:

> It sounds like the US version has now been cancelled:
>
>
> http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/28/12049986/top-gear-usa-cancelled-history-channel
>
> Returning to the dubious story about LeBlanc and Evans having a feud for a
> moment, I'd want a better source than The Sun. I think the bigger issue is
> that LeBlanc is unlikely to be available all that much for the next season
> since his sitcom schedule will surely rule out all but a few car tests on
> the West Coast somewhere.
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:53 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> No idea as to the USA show's ratings, but the ~17 month gap between this
>> season and the previous one makes me think someone's not as keen on the
>> show as they used to be.  Not sure if that's History, the production
>> company, or some other person/party.  Personally I think the on-air product
>> is as good as it ever was, if not better.  I don't even mind the slurping
>> over exotic cars that's been a bit shoehorned this season.
>>
>> I *think* the last episode of the current run premieres on Tuesday, with
>> the boys trying not to get in trouble in Cuba.  FWIW, Adam Ferrara
>> live-tweeted during last week's episode, maybe he'll do it again Tuesday.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
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>> *To:* "tvornottv@googlegroups.com" <tvornottv@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 6:03 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Talk of a LeBlexit on "Top Gear"
>>
>> While I'd like this story to be true, I'm always dubious of unnamed
>> sources
>>
>> In other Top Gear news, has anyone seen the ratings for the latest season
>> of Top Gear America? I've been generally pleased with the season so far,
>> and the chemistry with Tanner, Adam, and Rut vastly exceeds the current UK
>> roster.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Brad Beam <b.b...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Joey says that Chris Evans isn’t a team player on-set. So if Evans
>> doesn’t go, he will.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/matt-leblanc-is-planning-to-quit-top-gear-if-co-host-chris-evans/?WTmcid=tmgoff_soc_spf_fb_id=sf29686696
>>
>> _  _
>> |_>|_>  Brad Beam- Belle WV
>> |_>|_>  http://www.facebook.com/74bmw
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Re: [TV orNotTV] British Jimmy back on homeland TV

[Adam Bowie]

Sky's not an unlikely home for Corden (who has never knowingly been called
Jimmy in the UK :-) ), since that's where he still makes episodes of A
League of their Own, his comedy sports gameshow. The most recent short run
was necessarily shot in California and was a change in format, with less of
Corden since it was obviously made alongside his US show. I've said before
that I'm surprised it's taken someone so long to pick this show up given
his continued popularity over here.

As for Jimmy Carr - we get enough of him already thanks. Although Comedy
Central UK has recently picked up @midnight, which I see Carr has been on.
CC is actually running it at midnight, somehow squeezing it in between the
endless reruns of Friends and Impractical Jokers.

Given I'm not quite enjoying The Daily Show as I used to, it'd be great if
someone picked up Samantha Bee, but I suspect that's probably asking too
much of a UK network.


Adam

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Joe Coughlin 
wrote:

> British Jimmy will always be Jimmy Carr to me.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Kevin M. 
> wrote:
>
>> So, soon, UK residents can watch the show and ask themselves what
>> happened to the funny and talented guy they once knew
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Bob Jersey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The "Late Late Show" will air one day later in the UK and Ireland on
>>> Sky, starting July 19th.
>>>
>>> A 'Carpool Karaoke' special is also headed their way.
>>>
>>> THR
>>> 
>>> (link)
>>>
>>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Talk of a LeBlexit on "Top Gear"

[Adam Bowie]

It sounds like the US version has now been cancelled:

http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/28/12049986/top-gear-usa-cancelled-history-channel

Returning to the dubious story about LeBlanc and Evans having a feud for a
moment, I'd want a better source than The Sun. I think the bigger issue is
that LeBlanc is unlikely to be available all that much for the next season
since his sitcom schedule will surely rule out all but a few car tests on
the West Coast somewhere.


Adam

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:53 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> No idea as to the USA show's ratings, but the ~17 month gap between this
> season and the previous one makes me think someone's not as keen on the
> show as they used to be.  Not sure if that's History, the production
> company, or some other person/party.  Personally I think the on-air product
> is as good as it ever was, if not better.  I don't even mind the slurping
> over exotic cars that's been a bit shoehorned this season.
>
> I *think* the last episode of the current run premieres on Tuesday, with
> the boys trying not to get in trouble in Cuba.  FWIW, Adam Ferrara
> live-tweeted during last week's episode, maybe he'll do it again Tuesday.
>
> David
>
>
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> *To:* "tvornottv@googlegroups.com" 
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 6:03 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Talk of a LeBlexit on "Top Gear"
>
> While I'd like this story to be true, I'm always dubious of unnamed sources
>
> In other Top Gear news, has anyone seen the ratings for the latest season
> of Top Gear America? I've been generally pleased with the season so far,
> and the chemistry with Tanner, Adam, and Rut vastly exceeds the current UK
> roster.
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:
>
> Joey says that Chris Evans isn’t a team player on-set. So if Evans doesn’t
> go, he will.
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/matt-leblanc-is-planning-to-quit-top-gear-if-co-host-chris-evans/?WTmcid=tmgoff_soc_spf_fb_id=sf29686696
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Brits kept from seeing Oliver's anti-Brexit rant

[Adam Bowie]

I saw the Brexit piece by Oliver on Monday morning. HBO tend to publish the
major segment on YouTube immediately after broadcast, but they often
geo-block viewers in the UK from seeing it - to a large part because Sky
Atlantic who have the rights to Oliver (and nearly all HBO programming)
broadcast it on Monday evening and obviously they want to keep it fresh for
viewers. In this instance HBO very definitely *didn't* geo-block it.

When I saw it on Monday, it was instantly clear that it would be illegal to
broadcast it in the UK, and over the course of the next couple of days it
was widely shared on social media in the UK. Not that it made a damned bit
of difference as 52% of my country-folk are fools and have seemingly voted
for a recession. But I'll leave politics out of it.

I actually blogged on this subject earlier this week if you want to know
more about the legal issues:
http://www.adambowie.com/blog/2016/06/john-oliver-on-brexit/

Lisa de Moraes is very wrong about newspaper readership however. The Sun
sells 1.7m a day, the Daily Mail 1.5m and The Sunday Time 800,000. The
number of readers is greater still, which makes a dent in a population of
60m. To what extent newspapers affected the vote I couldn't say, but while
sales are ever diminishing, they continue to have power - and are read
particularly by an older readership.


Adam

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> As required by Ofcom regulations, until after the vote which sadly didn't
> go his way. And even though print media (which, the writer observes, nobody
> reads there) aren't similarly regulated.
>
> Lisa D
> 
> (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] corden learns about websites

[Adam Bowie]

Like an indigenous bird, Conan has been rarely spotted this side of the
Atlantic. Occasionally he gets blown across by accident as with a short run
on a reality channel about two years ago now (he even came over and did
promo work).

His NBC show was *perhaps* seen on CNBC which still runs some current late
night NBC stuff at weekends. Yup - Jimmy Fallon is on at about 8pm Saturday
nights buried in the news section of my EPG. They edit heavily and seem to
get through two shows in an hour!

Basically there's zero chance Corden saw that previous piece.

Adam
On 8 Jun 2016 23:59, "'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV" <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I guess Horny Manatee never made an impact on the other side of the
> Atlantic?  Conan's Late Night had to start that site almost 10 years ago.
> David
>
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> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] corden learns about websites
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOw09CPIgDw
>
> and the chat goes downhill and funny quickly.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] UK Tory Rags Go After 'Top Gear' Reboot

[Adam Bowie]

Worth noting that the question Kevin quoted was from a BBC Worldwide email
panel - not the BBC audience ratings arm. The commercial Worldwide is kept
at arm's length.

The official measure of popularity - Audience Appreciation - is
unpublished, but carried out daily and isn't asked in this fashion, since
it's clearly leading.

The findings may well have been sent back to the production team however.

Finally, Sunday was the first weekend day of the year in which we had good
weather. So the fall was to be expected. I think it'll be impossible to
measure the success of the show until we've had a complete series.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Interesting.  It still doesn't negate the fact that Murdoch and the Tory
> press would love to see the BBC neutered.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> Saints Spotlight Editor
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:17 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> The BBC's official Top Gear survey began thusly:
>>
>> So the new series has begun and you’ve started to tell us what you
>> think; last week we definitely felt your disappointment so now we want to
>> hear if things have changed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Week 2 of the revamped version of the BBC2 auto show dropped in the
>>> numbers down to 2.8M as Rupert Murdoch's Sun (the paper with the bare
>>> breasted birds on page 3, so you know it's quality journalism) claims that
>>> heavy sweetening was done to cover up silent reactions to Chris Evans and
>>> Matt LeBlanc's jokes and the Tory broadsheet the Telegraph claims that BBC
>>> internal data claimed that the majority of surveyed viewers called the show
>>> "the worst on TV"--although you have to remember that the Tory papers will
>>> go to the ends of the earth to badmouth the Beeb (and that Murdoch and/or
>>> his underlings have not hidden their desire to poach "Strictly," "Doctor
>>> Who," "EastEnders"--and "Top Gear"--to Murdoch's BSkyB platform):
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/revamped-top-gear-uk-ratings-899809?utm_source=Sailthru_medium=email_campaign=THR%27s%20Today%20in%20Entertainment_now_2016-06-06%2006:54:58_ehayden_term=hollywoodreporter_tie
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Oliver's apparently record-breaking move

[Adam Bowie]

Whether it was "better" depends on how you look at things.

Oprah was probably more spectacular. But Oliver potentially changed many
more lives - 9,000 v 276 audience members.

And from what I can understand, Oliver didn't leave lots of audience
members with large tax bills as a result of winning their cars! (Something
I've never quite understood. There is much wrong with the British tax
system, but you don't get taxed on prize winnings).

It'll be interesting to see in the weeks and months ahead whether anyone
steps forward and will say whether relief of this debt has changed their
lives.


Adam

PS The first time £1m was given away on TV or radio in the UK was actually
on Virgin Radio (where I worked at the time) - and the person who gave away
the £1m was Top Gear's Chris Evans. He also gave away a second £1m on his
TFI Show. The idea was to beat Who Wants to be a Millionaire which was just
taking off and so far hadn't given away the million.  The radio million was
poorly executed, didn't have sponsorship, and delivered outside of a
ratings period. So not successful!

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:

>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Bob Jersey <bob.in.jer...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> In one fell swoop, he forgave nearly 9,000 peoples' debts... but is it
>> really better than when Oprah gave away cars?
>>
>> WaPo
>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/06/06/john-oliver-just-made-talk-show-history-by-forgiving-nearly-15-million-worth-of-debt/?wpisrc=nl_az_most>
>> (link)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Oliver's apparently record-breaking move

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On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

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> In one fell swoop, he forgave nearly 9,000 peoples' debts... but is it
> really better than when Oprah gave away cars?
>
> WaPo
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> (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-OT: The Bugle podcast goes dark

[Adam Bowie]

All change on The Bugle...
https://soundcloud.com/the-bugle/vib-very-important-bugle

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 3:58 PM, PGage  wrote:

> I am the reverse. I love The Bugle, but Last Week has already become one
> of the most important programs in contemporary television.
>
> The monthly Bugle has been inevitable for a long while now, and sadly may
> be just delaying the inevitable.
>
>
> On Monday, July 20, 2015, Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> For those keeping up, it has been announced that The Bugle podcast will
>> be scaling back from weekly to monthly.
>>
>> As I've stated previously, while I enjoy Last Week Tonight, I'd gladly
>> give it up for weekly Bugles.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:44 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, the press I've seen was pretty vague too.  A 2-year deal was as
>>> definite as I could find.
>>>
>>> I'm *almost* at the point where I might subscribe to the HBO.  it's just
>>> tough for me to justify it for a single half-hour.  Should the YouTube
>>> output take a nosedive, I may fold.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
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>>> *To:* tvornottv 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 23, 2014 11:29 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [TV or NotTV] Semi-OT: The Bugle podcast goes dark
>>>
>>> There was an article somewhere (NYT?) that said LWT would be doing some
>>> 30-odd shows this year, and was expected to do more (44?) next year. Sorry
>>> I can't be more definite.
>>>
>>> jd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:55 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the production schedule for Last Week Tonight?  Will it take
>>> weeks-long breaks like Real Time (though the length of those breaks is much
>>> smaller than they used to be), or is the plan for something like the 40-ish
>>> weeks a year the TDS/TCR/@midnight programs do?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-OT: The Bugle podcast goes dark
>>>
>>>
>>> My takeaway from the hiatus is simpler and not revolving around any
>>> behind-the-scenes friction at The Bugle. Instead, in pragmatic terms,
>>> Oliver found himself with two topical shows, having to choose which show
>>> got his best material. The Bugle is produced earliest in the week, but he
>>> gets next to no money for it, so he found himself saving his good stuff for
>>> HBO, which wasn't fair to the Bugle. I think if you look at recent Bugles,
>>> there is more reaction from Oliver than contribution. So for the sake of
>>> both shows, better to not produce them at the same time.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Top Gear (UK) running time on BBCA

[Adam Bowie]

For what it's worth, Extra Gear is 23 mins long. So the two should
comfortably sit in a 2 hour slot with advertising. (Actually if the main
show was 1hr 2min, that strikes me as sloppy editing.)

I reckon it's going to take a good series to settle down and find its feet,
which makes all the reaction everywhere, at least here in the UK, a bit
pointless. It seemed fine, although it was more the Chris and Matt show
than I'd expected.

The biggest issues were Evans shouting too much, and the audience being a
bit too noisy. Those are easy things to fix for the second week's show.
Stateside viewers may not be familiar with TFI Friday (and before that
Don't Forget Your Toothbrush) which saw Evans having to work hard to be
heard over a very excited audience.

(From a production perspective, I did wonder about the addition of the
Rally Cross sections to the Star in a Mini segment. The car drags dirt onto
the main track which must mean that for supercar laptimes, there's a lot of
hosing down of the track required to clean the track up. Maybe I'm
over-thinking it all).

What I can't quite work out is how LeBlanc is going to manage to present
much beyond this first season once he's ensconced in his new CBS sitcom. I
suspect that the BBC wants more than a single short  run a year, so quite
when LeBlanc will be available, assuming I'm Not Your Friend gets a full
season order.

Yes - Extra Gear is an additional programme like those mentioned. It's not
"on-air" as such as on BBC Three which means streaming/download only now.
They continue to be popular - Sky Atlantic has Thronecast, for example,
following every episode of Game of Thrones. Most ITV big reality shows get
sister shows on ITV2  - Xtra Factor for The X Factor, Britain's Got More
Talent after, well, you get it.  The two presenters of Extra Gear aren't
especially well known. Rory Reid has done the odd bit of TV - notably a
gadget show on Sky One - but the other guy seems to be a YouTube bloke and
consequently unknown to me!

Meanwhile, as I type, there are reports that the new show "only" got 4.4m
viewers despite winning its slot with a 23% audience share, comfortably
being BBC Two's biggest show of the week, and very much likely to grow with
7 day catchup since the show launched on a holiday weekend here.


Adam

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 5:59 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:

> Initial observation: Matt Leblanc seemed excited to be on Top Gear. Chris
> Evans seemed excited to be with Matt Leblanc, Gordon Ramsey, and Jesse
> Eisenberg. I only know Evans from his previous appearance on Top Gear, so I
> don't know if his celebrity adoration is just a holdover from his
> traditional chat-show experience.
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 8:45 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> With an hour and two minute running time, I'd hope BBCA didn't cut
>> anything for a 90 minute timeslot.
>>
>> Extra Gear is certainly promoted as a companion show (as opposed to a
>> Chris Hardwick hosted aftershow), and Chris Evans and Sabine Schmitz had
>> their moments in the first episode.
>>
>> About the main show - I think there's enough of the same and a dash of
>> different that should keep any fans who aren't wedded to the previous hosts.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 30, 2016 10:53 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Top Gear (UK) running time on BBCA
>>
>> UK broadcast ran 1h 02m
>>
>> I've watched the first film & power lap and have been entertained. Evans
>> is a bit shouty but that's not much of a problem, really. I look forward
>> to many years of being entertained by this iteration of Top Gear.
>>
>> Isn't Extra Gear meant to be a "companion" show like Big Brother's
>> Little Brother/Bit on the Side or GBBOs An Extra Slice? Those seem to be
>> very popular in the UK.
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] TBS having trouble getting Full Frontal

[Adam Bowie]

Thanks!

It's nice to see that they've neglected to geo-block it! I've had to use
"alternative" methods to see this in the past.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Full episode is on the YouTube, in addition to the usual practice of
> putting the segments up both there and on the Full Frontal website.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTnPCF9OWHM
>
> Ms. Bee is scheduled to sit with Conan tonight, so maybe this will come up.
>
> David
> --
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> *To:* tvornottv 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2016 11:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] TBS having trouble getting Full Frontal
>
> Wow, you're quick.
>
> Thanks for answering the question you hadn't read yet!
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:09 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Tonight's new episode was not aired on the East Coast (there was a repeat
> instead), but the show Twitter feed promises it will be on at the normal
> time in the West.
>
> There's a crawl during Conan's monologue indicating Ms. Bee will be on
> with the new episode right after Conan.
>
> David
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Eurovision Live on Logo NOW

[Adam Bowie]

I didn't really watch this year's contest, although it was clearly the most
political yet, with real news stories about Russia's reaction to it coming
out of the competition.

The thing to know is that different people treat it very differently. In
the UK, it's seen as a bit of a joke, albeit one everyone can get together
to enjoy. For the last few years, none of the UK's entrants have even been
heard of before. I believe the same is true in Germany. On top of that,
heavily politicised and factionalised voting means that it would need
someone like Adele to perform for the UK to win.

But in other countries it's treated much more seriously and something of an
honour. Some countries use famous performers in their region, with an
acknowledged fanbase. It's always amusing that Russia is so serious about
trying to win the single most LGBT-friendly global event imaginable.

It's very strange that Logo didn't have the rights to Justin Timberlake, as
I'd have thought that all rights would have been granted to any country
that takes the show as you would expect with an Olympic opening ceremony or
whatever.

I reckon that Eurovision would love the US to enter a song. Australia's
entry seems to have been a big hit - and that's despite the time difference
meaning that the show airs early on a Sunday morning.


Adam

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 4:16 AM, David Lynch  wrote:

> Wherever Carson and Michelle were broadcasting from, it had all the
> accoustics of a cardboard box.
>
> There was also the great moment during the break between the performances
> and the results when Justin Timberlake showed up, only to have Carson and
> Michelle announce that they didn't have the rights to air JT's performance
> so instead we were going to get a film about the history of Swedish pop and
> an interpretive dance about the refugee crisis.
>
> I have my suspicions that Logo getting the rights this year is MTV
> Networks sticking its toe in the water to try to sell the idea of a future
> US entry to both the American public and the Eurovision committee.
> (Apparently, Justin Timberlake said something that gave other people that
> impression, but I was not paying attention at that precise moment.)
>
> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 2:16 PM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> For the first time ever in the U.S.--including live streaming if you
>> don't have cable:
>>
>>
>> http://www.logotv.com/shows/eurovision-song-contest-2016/live-stream/live.html
>>
>> No, we aren't hearing Graham Norton's BBC hosting--Carson Kressley and
>> Michele Collins ("Best Week Ever") are hosting the Logo version
>> commercial-free from what seems like New York instead of actually being in
>> Stockholm.  And of course, you can't vote for anyone, although I assume
>> that Adam will vote for us (excepting the UK).  :)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Rest in Peace, Ed Dravecky

[Adam Bowie]

Dreadful news. My deepest condolences to his family.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Melissa P 
wrote:

> Oh, how terrible.  I will really miss him.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 25, 2016, at 11:08 AM, Joe Coughlin  wrote:
>
> I have the unhappy burden of informing everyone that one of our own, Ed
> Dravecky, passed away this weekend in Texas. He was 47.
>
> His brother Matt posted this on Facebook:
>
> "Last night, my brother Ed dy passed
> away. He was in Irving, TX doing what he loved to do, working at a
> convention. This one was "Whofest" which is for the fans of the show
> Doctor Who. When Eddy didn't show up for an event, his longtime girlfriend
> Robyn  went to his hotel room and
> found him unresponsive. He was rushed to the hospital where the medical
> staff worked on him for about 45 minutes but were unable to resuscitate
> him. The doctor said he died peacefully and painlessly.
>
> As a family, we haven't been able to find the words to properly express
> our shock and sadness over Eddy's sudden passing. Over the next few days as
> we get more information, I'll pass it along. The medical examiner will
> release him to a funeral home in Texas and we'll have them coordinate with
> Spry Funeral Home in Huntsville to have him transported here. A service
> will be held at Holy Sprit Church (with a separate memorial service for his
> friends in Texas in a few weeks) and the burial will take place at Maple
> Hill Cemetery. These are all arrangements which will be made over the
> course of the next few days, I'll post specifics when I have them.
>
> Please keep my family in your thoughts and prayers and please take care of
> yourselves and each other."
>
>
>
> Love to you all.
>
>
>
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RE: [TV orNotTV] AMC would rather just pick up series directly from Britain...

[Adam Bowie]

Good luck everyone with season six of Game of Thrones. Stuffed full of
Brits doing a range of regional British accents!
On 21 Apr 2016 17:50, "Doug Fields" <d...@flids.net> wrote:

> Sure.  And there are obviously quite a lot of “American” accents, but when
> you see a foreign actor on a talk show asked to “do your American accent,”
> they normally break out into the vanilla version of “American” local to the
> Midwest…an area ranging from around Indiana, probably west as far as
> Colorado…where the accent has no noticeable identifying traits other than
> variations in vocabulary.  I’d imagine that’s also what most Americans
> consider to be the “standard” accent…even those of use living in areas
> where there’s a pronounced, identifiable accent.  Bahstonians, New Yawkers
> and us Suth’rn fellahs are self-aware enough to realize we all speak with
> an accent that’s different from “the norm.”
>
>
>
> It’s a semantics thing, obviously, and maybe I should’ve been more precise
> and used “English” instead of “British,” but it’s essentially the same
> thing.  Someone says “British accent” (or “English” and I neglect to make
> the distinction in my head) and I’m going to assume they mean the vanilla
> Queen’s English, even though I realize a Scottish brogue is a completely
> different animal.
>
>
>
> And let’s not even discuss whatever that is the Welsh are doing in the
> back of their throats.  J
>
>
>
> Doug Fields
>
> Tampa, FL
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Tom Wolper
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2016 12:17 PM
> *To:* TV or not TV <tvornottv@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] AMC would rather just pick up series directly
> from Britain...
>
>
>
> There are quite a lot of English accents. And I am using English instead
> of British because Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish accents tend to the
> difficult-to-understand with easy comprehension being a sign of higher
> learning or time spent away from home. In English accents, there is the
> BBC, RADA, Oxford/Cambridge accent of Masterpiece Theater, and then there
> are dialects and accents from places like Cornwall, Newcastle, and
> Yorkshire which are very tough for people not from those areas to pick up.
> It's those accents I'm referring to.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 7:40 PM, <d...@flids.net> wrote:
>
> "For American viewers English accents are like black and white movies. It
> isn't that viewers can't understand what is going on in B movies, it's
> just that they tune in, see B, and tune out. I think it is the same when
> they hear regional English accents."
>
>
>
> Um...let's say your mileage may vary and color me skeptical.  I've
> never before in my life heard anybody propose this theory.  It certainly
> doesn't apply to the way I or any of my circle of friends view British
> TV/movies.  I'm as okay with a British accent as I'm a mild French or
> German one, and probably prefer them to the Southern American redneck drawl.
>
>
>
> Doug Fields
>
> Tampa, FL
>
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] AMC would rather just pick up series directly
> from Britain...
> From: Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, April 19, 2016 6:19 pm
> To: TV or not TV <tvornottv@googlegroups.com>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Well you've understood British villains' accents for years! C.f. that
> Jaguar ad from a year or so ago featuring Hiddlestone amongst others -
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7gR7EYjcP8
>
>
>
> Happy Valley is set in a Yorkshire town and the accent may be unfamiliar.
> However, the dialogue is so smart and the characters so well drawn, I'd
> urge you to check it out.
>
>
>
> But you know, over this side of the pond we cope just fine with southern
> drawls, New Yawk accents and pretty much anything you throw at us. Plus
> we've watched Aussie soaps for years. So I think complaining about accents
> is an easy get-out. You just have to concentrate a bit harder sometimes.
>
>
>
> For American viewers English accents are like black and white movies. It
> isn't that viewers can't understand what is going on in B movies, it's
> just that they tune in, see B, and tune out. I think it is the same when
> they hear regional English accents.
>
> FWIW, I have the DVD set of The Singing Detective and I would have been
> lost without the closed captions.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] AMC would rather just pick up series directly from Britain...

[Adam Bowie]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote
>
>
> For American viewers English accents are like black and white movies. It
> isn't that viewers can't understand what is going on in B movies, it's
> just that they tune in, see B, and tune out. I think it is the same when
> they hear regional English accents.
>

Interesting perspective, although there do seem to be plenty of Brits on US
TV dramas who are definitely not doing American accents.

Still - it could be worse. A recent episode of Castle showed that when they
featured a supposedly Geordie character (that is - a native of Newcastle).
Now I wouldn't pretend that a Geordie accent is the easiest to tune into,
but this was possibly the worst accent I've ever heard anyone attempt ever.
And that includes Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins who was the previous go-to
reference.

The local Newcastle paper was quite constrained in the circumstances:
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/tv/geordie-character-american-tv-series-10989344

For what it's worth, when Jersey Shore was retooled for the UK it became
Geordie Shore. Although that doesn't really make sense since nobody calls
it that. But you get the gist.

I was going to suggest comparing it with the real thing. Have a listen to
Jimmy Nail's character in the drama Auf Wiedersehn, Pet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWykvmc4Nw4. YouTube's auto-generated
captions apparently work as well as those dodgy Aussie ones.

Nail was recently in that Broadway musical that Sting wrote about the
Newcastle shipyards.


Adam (who always thought that Hugh Laurie had a terrible US accent in House)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] AMC would rather just pick up series directly from Britain...

[Adam Bowie]

Well you've understood British villains' accents for years! C.f. that
Jaguar ad from a year or so ago featuring Hiddlestone amongst others -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7gR7EYjcP8

Happy Valley is set in a Yorkshire town and the accent may be unfamiliar.
However, the dialogue is so smart and the characters so well drawn, I'd
urge you to check it out.

But you know, over this side of the pond we cope just fine with southern
drawls, New Yawk accents and pretty much anything you throw at us. Plus
we've watched Aussie soaps for years. So I think complaining about accents
is an easy get-out. You just have to concentrate a bit harder sometimes.

I do however think many issues people have with sound on television today
are more due to the awful speakers in today's flatscreen TVs. Basic physics
says that if your TV is only  an inch thick you just can't put a decent
speaker in it. Your old cathode ray tube set - even a cheap model -
probably had a booming speaker with lots of space to breath and deliver
decent mono sound. That's why the big thing in home audio is sound bars. If
you're able to, I always recommend plugging your TV into some other audio
device for clear audio. Even a years old stereo system will be better than
the speakers in your new flat TV.

But that's a bugbear of mine...

You definitely won't struggle with accents in The Night Manager.


On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Bob Jersey <bob.in.jer...@juno.com> wrote:

>
> Adam Bowie, in part:
>>
>> in Britain we've been a bit spoilt for local drama with an excellent
>> second series of Happy Valley (well worth checking out on Netflix, although
>> some American ears may need closed captions turned on)
>>
>
> Part of the one AMC honcho's reasoning was that the accents were not as
> much of an issue, but I wasn't buying that...
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] AMC would rather just pick up series directly from Britain...

[Adam Bowie]

The Night Manager is a really superior drama, and one I thoroughly
recommend.

It performed massively well in Britain where it aired in the 9pm Sunday
slot - probably the most prestigious slot on UK television. Easily one of
the best things this year - and in Britain we've been a bit spoilt for
local drama with an excellent second series of Happy Valley (well worth
checking out on Netflix, although some American ears may need closed
captions turned on) and currently a third series of Line of Duty which
twists and turns week by week.

In any case, this is most certainly an AMC co-production with the extra US
dollars being used to great effect with a stellar cast and top production
values. And it's just so beautifully made, with an Oscar winning director
at the helm.



Adam

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> ...instead of getting the rights to adapt and produce a whole-separate
> show set in the States... THR
> 
> (link)
>
> One example of the former, the Hugh Laurie/Tom Hiddleston slammer "The
> Night Manager" got a couple of inches in many papers today thanks to the LA
> Times
> 
> (link)...
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Does any TV critic hate Corden more than this guy?

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On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 4:29 AM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
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>
>
> As for the panels, I'm frustrated that Corden comes across just as
> breathless and rushed in month 13 as in month 1.  He's had plenty of
> practice but still lacks Graham Norton's relative calm and ease.
>
>
I've only caught occassional Corden shows, and think the rushed-ness is
just a factor of having to do 5 shows a week. Norton only does one, which
leaves much more time for preparation. You can have as many producers
helping out as you like, but it's the presenter who has to carry the can on
the night.

Norton has indeed had a lot of practice. By my reckoning he's been
presenting talk shows for 18 years now!


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: ITV on fire

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I'm pretty sure ITV has more options, and had it not been Good Friday they
might have tried something else. They have their main news studios about
half a mile away and could have decamped there.

My old radio station used to have a  reciprocal arrangement with another
station that we could use each other's facilities in an emergency.

To be honest, it's a useless programme so nobody missed out!

Adam
On 25 Mar 2016 15:27, "Kevin M."  wrote:

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>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Bob Jersey 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> American networks have a few more options when studios become ablaze, but
>> security concerns preclude them from even token reportage.
>>
>> I still recall watching Tom Snyder becoming the entire CNBC network when
> the Ft Lee studios caught fire. That week I called to try to become an
> intern at the LA bureau.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] So long, Sylvia Anderson...

[Adam Bowie]

On 22 Mar 2016 01:27, "Doug Eastick"  wrote:
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> curious, if I want to torture myself, is Space:1999 available online
anywhere (legit)?
>

The Network Blu Rays are supposed to be fantastic, but they're locked to
region B (Europe etc, and not the US). Judging from Amazon, the US ones are
outlandishly priced by comparison.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: SportsTV: Fibbing with technology again, and The Goose flies

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What strikes me - from afar - as strange here is that ESPN is still
producing the pictures.

With international football (soccer) fixtures, the per game production
costs are lower. Another network  provides a world feed and local networks
supplement that to a greater or lesser degree. Sending announcers to a dull
midweek fixture that you're not producing is an expensive luxury from the
network's perspective.

But on home turf? The cost saving is surely a handful of flights and some
hotel accommodation.  That feels like penny pinching if the cost for rights
of that game is, say, into seven figures.

In Europe we get lots of football "off tube" as it's known in the business
here, but usually for overseas fixtures. It would be unthinkable to do it
for a domestic fixture. Granted we're a smaller country and any game is
within a 4-5 hour drive time for commentators.

I do find it odd that it's being directed from Bristol. That means
satellite uplinks for every camera feed rather than s single game feed.
That feels expensive.

One way or another, if rapant inflation in rights fees are adversely
impacting on production values, that's a bad thing.

Adam
On 21 Mar 2016 17:05, "Joe Hass"  wrote:

> Two layers of complexity on this:
> * CBS/Turner holds the mens rights while ESPN holds the womens rights. I
> agree it would be a *very* interesting scenario if Disney held both.
> * What Auriemma doesn't take into account (which is obviously not his
> problem) is the precarious financial state of ESPN right now. What hasn't
> been made clear is to what level the NCAA was involved in this decision
> (I've seen no comment from the NCAA on this). If ESPN is sending broadcast
> teams to all the NIT (aka the mens loser bracket) games (which is one game
> at a time vs the easier four games on one day and two games on the second),
> then I think Auriemma is not only correct, but the NCAA (which also owns
> the NIT) should be all over them like white on rice.
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:20 AM Bob Jersey 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Moi, in part, March 18th:
>>
>>>
>>> Happened onto AwfulAnnouncing today, and had some discoveries...
>>>
>>> Under Bristology, a handful of women's NCAA division-1 basketball
>>> tourney games will be rendered much as NBCU has rendered selected Olympic
>>> events and overseas soccer games... with the commentators strictly in
>>> the studio
>>> 
>>> (link)...
>>>
>>>
>>> The coach of a perennial championship contendah on the female side
>> imagines
>> 
>> this tactic isn't pursued on the men's side at all (AwfulAnnouncing
>> link)... let's remember that TWL also holds the NIT...
>>
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] @midnight throws shade at @elevenish

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I must confess that publicity for @elevenish on ITV2 had completely passed
me by. It's no ITV2 and there's little to nothing aimed at me on that
channel. But it really doesn't sound like @midnight apart from having an
"@" symbol. I guess that could have been an "inspiration" when naming this
show and that's what the bit was about? (it was apparently piloted for
another network in 2014 as The Vacuum).

For what it's worth, @Midnight doesn't seem to get aired in the UK -
perhaps because relatively few of the comics would be recognised here?


Adam

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> In advance of tomorrow's debut of @elevenish on ITV2, @midnight opens
> tonight's show with a bit of ginned-up outrage.
>
> In other late night stuff, Corden figured it had been long enough since
> the last time he did it and took The Late Late Show to someone's house in
> the neighborhood for tonight's show.  It's the last new show before his
> first anniversary.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: FS1 Congressional coverage

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Well with the new guy at FIFA (who reminds me heavily of "The Hood" from
cult 60s kids TV puppet show Thunderbirds), is now said to be thinking
quite urgently about the 2026 finals because, well, they're only ten years'
away! Cynical sports media hacks I follow on Twitter would bet heavily on
the US, because FIFA needs to win back the favour of its global sponsor
base.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:33 AM, JW  wrote:

> > In fact, FIFA and/or an agency deliver a complete feed anyway for these
> > sorts of things, so from a production perspective it's not too onerous to
> > carry.
>
> Thanks for the clarification, Adam. Sending out a live feed of their
> standard bloviation sounds like exactly the kind of egotistic thing FIFA
> leadership would do. This would be the rare case where there might be an
> audience.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: FS1 Congressional coverage

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In the UK Murdoch has "Sky Sports News HQ" - a 24 hour sports news channel
- which will have covered it extensively. But I doubt even they ran ten
hours straight though! In fact many hours were carried live by the domestic
BBC News channel - I'm not sure if its sister BBC World News channel
carried it quite as extensively though. And I suspect that the Murdoch
owned Sky News carried it too. But then in Britain, this deals with our
national sport!

In fact, FIFA and/or an agency deliver a complete feed anyway for these
sorts of things, so from a production perspective it's not too onerous to
carry.

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> > I don't recall the WORLDwide Leader take such interest in the goings-on
> at
> > FIFA. (Of course, how exciting have FIFA Congresses - Ordinary or not -
> been
> > otherwise?)
>
> Your point about this meeting being more interesting than usual is
> important. It's probably also the case that other Murdoch properties around
> the world would have audiences that are even more interested than
> Americans, so the coverage would be in place anyway.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Clarkson says sorry to Top Gear producer

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That's a guilty pleasure of mine even though the "Saint Marie" crime-rate
would surely make any sane Brit visiting for a
holiday/dive/archaeological-dig think twice about visiting since the chance
they get bumped off is extraordinarily high.

It's always amusing to see a relatively decent cast of actors slumming it a
bit for the series - no doubt enjoying the fact that they get to spend a
couple of weeks in the Caribbean to shoot their episode.

The series was originally a co-commission with a French TV network - and
it's still shown there. The series benefits from French government
production credits by filming in Guadalupe.

I think it does well for BBC One because while it's always on in Jan/Feb
when it's cold outside, it's set somewhere sunny and hot. And it's a rare
British show with a significant black cast.

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>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Well Top Gear is too much of a money spinner for the BBC for it to stop
>> production. And unless the ratings fall off a cliff, it'll continue to be
>> made on a pretty regular basis. The BBC is running out of countries to sell
>> Dancing with the Stars, and there won't be a 2016 series of Doctor Who. So
>> Top Gear it is.
>>
>> Death In Paradise has just been renewed for a sixth series. I wish the
> BBC would do a better job promoting that show stateside. Josephine Jobert
> should be making the rounds on talk shows -- she's my current TV crush.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Clarkson says sorry to Top Gear producer

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Well Top Gear is too much of a money spinner for the BBC for it to stop
production. And unless the ratings fall off a cliff, it'll continue to be
made on a pretty regular basis. The BBC is running out of countries to sell
Dancing with the Stars, and there won't be a 2016 series of Doctor Who. So
Top Gear it is.

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> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:07 AM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I struggle to think of any UK TV production that has come under such
>> intense scrutiny as the new series of Top Gear. There are endless stories
>> about it, it's production and so on.
>>
>> As I've said before, I'd be amazed if it's anything like its predecessor
>> (And it's worth noting that there was a previous incarnation of Top Gear
>> before the Clarkson/May/Hammond version, which itself was a world away from
>> what we've had in recent years).
>>
>> I'm willing to give the new hosts and format a chance, just as I did for
> both the Australian and American versions of the series, but I do question
> some of the selections, especially LeBlanc. I still think the Aussie Top
> Gear was cancelled just as the hosts were finding their groove. As for the
> US version, they haven't had a new episode since October of 2014, despite
> countless posts on social media from the hosts in production (they went to
> Cuba last month), and that's a big gap between shows that destroys the
> momentum.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Clarkson says sorry to Top Gear producer

[Adam Bowie]

I struggle to think of any UK TV production that has come under such
intense scrutiny as the new series of Top Gear. There are endless stories
about it, it's production and so on.

As I've said before, I'd be amazed if it's anything like its predecessor
(And it's worth noting that there was a previous incarnation of Top Gear
before the Clarkson/May/Hammond version, which itself was a world away from
what we've had in recent years).

Evans himself will be fine - he has vast presenting experience, and is
likeable and gets on with a wide range of people. I'm not sure about
LeBlanc, because I'm not sure whether he really has the experience to be a
presenter rather than an actor. But this is programme that's built in the
edit.

Over the weekend BBC Worldwide was holding its annual in-house
international sales presentation to global networks, and Top Gear
(alongside Planet Earth 2) was a big part of that. Evans confirmed that
only LeBlanc will be in all the first series -
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-02-23/matt-leblanc-will-appear-in-every-episode-of-top-gear
- which makes me wonder how he'll continue should his new sitcom get picked
up. I suspect that 22 network sitcom episodes pay rather better than 16 BBC
shows will.


Adam

PS Funnily enough, I walked past the pair of three-wheeled Robin Reliants
that are part of one of the new series' "races" the other day coming into
work. It was a bit of a press-call with photographers hanging around for a
look at Evans and LeBlanc - who I didn't see. The two cars had a Union Jack
and Stars & Stripes painted on them respectively. They were heading from
London to Blackpool - about 230 miles away. It was quite cold that day:
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-02-19/of-course-matt-leblancs-first-day-filming-top-gear-involved-a-reliant-robin

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> The case has been settled.
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35648682#;
>
> Does anybody have a good feeling about the chemistry of the new Top Gear
> hosts?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Thunderbirds to be Go again on Amazon Prime Video

[Adam Bowie]

The new version of the Barry Gray opening theme is very close to the
original, but updated a little. Indeed, a little like they did with Hawaii
Five O, the opening credits actually closely mirror those of the original
series. It's on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQwgIZ__WrY

I'm not sure what you mean about the Lady Penelope song. The original
series ended with the main theme. There was a song called Parker, Well Done
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bkTY8YHFWY), but I'm not sure that was
ever used in the series and was more of a B side for 7" of the main theme.
It also appears on No Strings Attached, the Gray/Anderson collection.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> Mark Jeffries, to Adam and moi:
>>
>> Is the Lady Penelope song the closing theme music like the original?  I
>> assume that Barry Gray's original opening theme is used in this version.
>>
>> The Wiki cited the Fosters, Ben and Nick (see Dr. Who and Torchwood) with
> the tunes.
>
> Here's an article
> 
> (link) from a New Zealand paper with a few pictures. I wasn't expecting
> strings, obviously, but they look fairly faithful.
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Here's your new Top Gear UK lineup

[Adam Bowie]

Here's the full line-up:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2016/tg-presenters

Basically 3 become 6 with Eddie Jordan (most recently BBC F1 presenter but
former team owner), Sabine Schmitz (familiar to regular viewers), Chris
Harris (Nope. But then I don't read car mags or watch videos), and Rory
Reid (who I saw do a decent job on a tech programme on Sky a few years
ago).

I guess that means that not everybody is on every show, and they can rotate
presenters a little. That should mean that everyone has lighter workloads,
and reduces the likelihood of producers being assaulted. Maybe it also
means that LeBlanc can do both Top Gear and a sitcom should it get picked
up.


Adam

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:

> I believe the upcoming season of Episodes - which is shot mostly in the UK
> incidentally - is the last. It begins filming in April  and with Top Gear
> set to air in May, I assume much of the filming will have been done, or can
> fit in with his Episodes work.
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:49 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> LeBlanc has been kind of meh in the latest Top Gear compilation series -
>> The Races - on BBC America.  Granted, it's just reading lame filler
>> introducing the next silly race, but for me it comes across as flat.
>> I'm assuming Episodes, with it short seasons, won't impact the shooting
>> schedule of Top Gear.
>>
>> David
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* "tvornottv@googlegroups.com" <tvornottv@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 4, 2016 8:18 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Here's your new Top Gear UK lineup
>>
>> So that makes LeBlanc the American/Hammond, Chris Evans the prissy yet
>> amiable one/May, and Sabine Schmitz the one most interested in
>> power/Clarkson.
>>
>> Well, as it did with the Aussie version and the US version, it'll come
>> down to the chemistry of the hosts, but LeBlanc isn't exactly known for
>> being emotive, so hopefully he's being coached to appear... well...
>> friendly in person as himself.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:16 AM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Matt Le Blanc is going to be a Top Gear co-presenter. Previously rumoured
>> info may not be accurate:
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2016/top-gear-friend
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 11:13 PM, M-D November <mdnovem...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Remember that this is hardly the first time Top Gear has been rebooted
>> (ugh, that word).  The first time around it went from being a straight-up
>> news & road test program (not unlike MotorWeek in the US) to the plucky
>> little motoring show with old men falling down and setting themselves on
>> fire.  The only common element: Jeremy Clarkson.
>>
>> This time around, they still have The Stig.  Chris Evans was a frequent
>> guest on the old show and a known gearhead, and I get the impression that
>> once he settles in, his role will probably turn into something of a
>> Clarkson 2.0 (although without the racism and producer-punching).  Schmitz
>> is, as others have noted, a former host of D-Motor (essentially Top Gear
>> Germany) and an accomplished driver; she's also shown that she could hold
>> her own with Jezza, May & Hamster in her guest appearances on old-new-Top
>> Gear.  The other two are a complete mystery to me.
>>
>> I'm sure the first series will be a trainwreck, but given time, a little
>> bit of slack from the BBC and Top Gear's typical budget, I think this team
>> has a shot at doing something worth watching.  My only concern is that with
>> three drivers and a filthy rich DJ/chat show host, the 'common man' element
>> is missing from the presenter panel, and that was something old-new-Top
>> Gear had in spades.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 5:01:22 PM UTC-5, Kevin M. (RPCV)
>> wrote:
>>
>> A couple years ago, CBS gave the green-light to a new pilot entitled
>> "Rockford Files" that featured none of the original cast members, none of
>> the original writers, and nobody from the original production team. The
>> only remaining aspect of the original series was the car. Ultimately the
>> series was rejected.
>>
>> This new Top Gear concept reminds me of that.
>>
>> I agree with what Adam said, that the chemistry of the cast will dictate
>> the success of the new show. I'm not a purest and can accept different
>> 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Thunderbirds to be Go again on Amazon Prime Video

[Adam Bowie]

It's worth mentioning that the New Zealand company actually doing the
combination of model work and CGI is Weta Workshop - aka the Peter Jackson
company that did SFX work on The Lord of the Rings!

It's a decent kids series similar in  tone to the original, and excellently
made. I think ITV missed a trick running it in a kids breakfast block
alongside the usual cartoons. I reckon there's definitely adult crossover
appeal.

Worth checking out if you ever enjoyed Anderson's puppet series from the
sixties and seventieth. And if you did enjoy them, there's also a great
documentary called Made in Supermarionation that covers the history of
these shows. Worth seeking out.

Adam
On 11 Feb 2016 18:00, "Bob Jersey"  wrote:

>
> Apparently Gerry Anderson's designs have been well-preserved all these
> years, and the Supermarionation classic was revived last year by a New
> Zealand firm on ITV in Britain... the 'zon popped for four seasons, tho
> only one has aired there... Wiki on the new series
> 
> (link), TVWeek report
> 
> (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Grease live

[Adam Bowie]

Late to this, but ITV2 in the UK showed Fox's Grease over the weekend, and
I must admit that I quite enjoyed it, even with a little judicious
fast-forwarding. Really good use of a large studio lot, and some very
impressive dance routines.

ITV did try a live version of The Sound of Music just before Christmas
which I didn't see, but for the most part, it has been the primetime soaps
- Eastenders, Coronation Street, Emmerdale - that have done big live
episodes in the UK, usually for anniversaries and big story reveals.

Anyway, I've not seen it explicitly referenced here but there's a video
doing the rounds posted by Associate Director Carrie Havel taken in the
control room of her counting the beats (and bars) and the pre-ordained shot
list. Someone has spliced this together with the relevant track from the
show on YouTube, and if you've not seen it, it's well worth watching:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP2QOmN57iU

There's a nice little interview on Ken Levine's site with her talking about
what she was doing and hot it works. Seemingly it originated over here with
the likes of Strictly Come Dancing (aka Dancing with the Stars). Anyway,
worth a read:
http://kenlevine.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/how-they-shot-grease-live.html (And
yes, Blogspot changes auto-magically to .co.uk for this side of the pond)


Adam

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:53 AM, stannc  wrote:

> Why Disney isn't doing "Beauty and the Beast" love on ABC is beyond me.
>
>
> -Stan
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Little-known Viacom network renames

[Adam Bowie]

There's been an MTV Live for quite a few years in the UK. Music channels
tend to be all or nothing in the UK, but even though I get it, I can
honestly say I've never watched it. I assume much of the UK version could
happily find its way to the US version since it's just festival footage, a
few specials and so on.

I think the one other thing it has going for it in the UK is that it's one
of the few music channels in HD. But to be honest, YouTube and Vevo have
surely killed much of the music TV model.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> Palladia, originally called MHD (Music High Definition), becomes MTV
> Live... as in, a channel full of concert content.
>
> Can any of us watch this, even as a ninth-tier pay option? (Service
> Electric-Allentown lists it.)
>
> Multichannel News
> 
> (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] If Martha Raddatz had just been "LOUD AND PROUD"...

[Adam Bowie]

Pretty sure there were at least two people pointing and yelling at the MVPs
telling them where to go too! (On top of the person inside who told them...)

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Steve Timko  wrote:

> As far as candidates not following their cues, today when they introduced
> the MVPs  at the Super Bowl,  three of them, starting with Phil Simms,
> could not walk out to a blue mark as wide as a 55-gallon drum. Simms is a
> seasoned TV professional. I think broadcasters need to oversee this as much
> as possible.
>
> Sent from TypeApp 
>
> On Feb 7, 2016, at 11:16 AM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>> Blaming Raddatz or the event producers looses credibility in light of the
>> fact that the other candidates were able to follow their cues.
>>
>> Flubbing up like this is not disqualifying for the presidency (each of
>> these guys has many more, and more important, disqualifiers) but it is just
>> embarrassing.
>>
>> BTW - SNL was on fire last night, easily the best episode of what has
>> been an off-season. David had a killer monologue, and was funny even in the
>> non-Sander's skits. And WU continues to be strong - usually the best part
>> of the show (though last night I could have lived without the extended
>> Zoolander commercial).
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 10:54 AM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Said Biff Henderson type did try and wave Dr. Carson onto the stage.  He
>>> can be seen poking his head out after the first time Carson missed his cue.
>>>
>>> This was featured on last night's SNL during Weekend Update.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Steve Timko 
>>> *To:* TV or Not TV 
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 7, 2016 1:45 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] If Martha Raddatz had just been "LOUD AND
>>> PROUD"...
>>>
>>> How much of this was ABC's fault for not having a Biff Henderson-type
>>> to guide the candidates?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Bob Jersey < bob.in.jer...@juno.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ...as some people I've known over the years have said it, the arrival
>>> of
>>> > candidates on the Manchester stage Saturday would have come off
>>> without a
>>> > hitch... NY Daily News (link)
>>> >
>>> > B
>>> >
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Here's your new Top Gear UK lineup

[Adam Bowie]

Matt Le Blanc is going to be a Top Gear co-presenter. Previously rumoured
info may not be accurate:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2016/top-gear-friend


On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 11:13 PM, M-D November <mdnovem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Remember that this is hardly the first time Top Gear has been rebooted
> (ugh, that word).  The first time around it went from being a straight-up
> news & road test program (not unlike MotorWeek in the US) to the plucky
> little motoring show with old men falling down and setting themselves on
> fire.  The only common element: Jeremy Clarkson.
>
> This time around, they still have The Stig.  Chris Evans was a frequent
> guest on the old show and a known gearhead, and I get the impression that
> once he settles in, his role will probably turn into something of a
> Clarkson 2.0 (although without the racism and producer-punching).  Schmitz
> is, as others have noted, a former host of D-Motor (essentially Top Gear
> Germany) and an accomplished driver; she's also shown that she could hold
> her own with Jezza, May & Hamster in her guest appearances on old-new-Top
> Gear.  The other two are a complete mystery to me.
>
> I'm sure the first series will be a trainwreck, but given time, a little
> bit of slack from the BBC and Top Gear's typical budget, I think this team
> has a shot at doing something worth watching.  My only concern is that with
> three drivers and a filthy rich DJ/chat show host, the 'common man' element
> is missing from the presenter panel, and that was something old-new-Top
> Gear had in spades.
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 5:01:22 PM UTC-5, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>>
>> A couple years ago, CBS gave the green-light to a new pilot entitled
>> "Rockford Files" that featured none of the original cast members, none of
>> the original writers, and nobody from the original production team. The
>> only remaining aspect of the original series was the car. Ultimately the
>> series was rejected.
>>
>> This new Top Gear concept reminds me of that.
>>
>> I agree with what Adam said, that the chemistry of the cast will dictate
>> the success of the new show. I'm not a purest and can accept different
>> incarnations of Top Gear (both the US and Aussie versions were good and
>> worth watching). But from the press I've seen on the new UK series, it is
>> all being handled in the tame, breakfast show style of its new host and
>> (departed) director. It does not bode well.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Adam Bowie <ad...@adambowie.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> David Coulthard has been a presenter on the BBC's Formula One coverage
>>> until the end of this season. As of a couple of days ago Channel 4 is
>>> taking over the BBC's F1 rights package, meaning that Coulthard would have
>>> been out of a job.
>>>
>>> I don't think the co-presenters' racing pedigree will make much
>>> difference to be honest aside from being able to handle the cars properly.
>>> It'll be more to do with the format and their relationships.
>>>
>>> Perhaps more interestingly is the fact that the relaunch's executive
>>> producer has walked away from the show a few months prior to the show
>>> airing.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/dec/22/bbc-top-gear-executive-producer-chris-evans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 9:31 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Schmitz was also on the team who hosted the German car show D Motor.
>>>> That team 'lost' to the UK hosts in the second of Schmitz's two 
>>>> appearances.
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like Evans will be joined by three professional drivers.  Not
>>>> sure how that affects the shows appeal to those who don't follow the
>>>> various non NASCAR circuits.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From:* Bob Jersey <bob.in...@juno.com>
>>>> *To:* TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:14 PM
>>>> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] Here's your new Top Gear UK lineup
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We already know about Chris Evans
>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tvornottv/cdUKX-vI91I/sjOUkx5PT7sJ>
>>>> (link to earlier thread)... the others are:
>>>>
>>>> David Coulthard, square-jawed veteran of Formula One (1994-2008,
>>>> highest fin

Re: [TV orNotTV] Here's your new Top Gear UK lineup

[Adam Bowie]

I believe the upcoming season of Episodes - which is shot mostly in the UK
incidentally - is the last. It begins filming in April  and with Top Gear
set to air in May, I assume much of the filming will have been done, or can
fit in with his Episodes work.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:49 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> LeBlanc has been kind of meh in the latest Top Gear compilation series -
> The Races - on BBC America.  Granted, it's just reading lame filler
> introducing the next silly race, but for me it comes across as flat.
> I'm assuming Episodes, with it short seasons, won't impact the shooting
> schedule of Top Gear.
>
> David
>
> --
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> *To:* "tvornottv@googlegroups.com" <tvornottv@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 4, 2016 8:18 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Here's your new Top Gear UK lineup
>
> So that makes LeBlanc the American/Hammond, Chris Evans the prissy yet
> amiable one/May, and Sabine Schmitz the one most interested in
> power/Clarkson.
>
> Well, as it did with the Aussie version and the US version, it'll come
> down to the chemistry of the hosts, but LeBlanc isn't exactly known for
> being emotive, so hopefully he's being coached to appear... well...
> friendly in person as himself.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:16 AM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Matt Le Blanc is going to be a Top Gear co-presenter. Previously rumoured
> info may not be accurate:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2016/top-gear-friend
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 11:13 PM, M-D November <mdnovem...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Remember that this is hardly the first time Top Gear has been rebooted
> (ugh, that word).  The first time around it went from being a straight-up
> news & road test program (not unlike MotorWeek in the US) to the plucky
> little motoring show with old men falling down and setting themselves on
> fire.  The only common element: Jeremy Clarkson.
>
> This time around, they still have The Stig.  Chris Evans was a frequent
> guest on the old show and a known gearhead, and I get the impression that
> once he settles in, his role will probably turn into something of a
> Clarkson 2.0 (although without the racism and producer-punching).  Schmitz
> is, as others have noted, a former host of D-Motor (essentially Top Gear
> Germany) and an accomplished driver; she's also shown that she could hold
> her own with Jezza, May & Hamster in her guest appearances on old-new-Top
> Gear.  The other two are a complete mystery to me.
>
> I'm sure the first series will be a trainwreck, but given time, a little
> bit of slack from the BBC and Top Gear's typical budget, I think this team
> has a shot at doing something worth watching.  My only concern is that with
> three drivers and a filthy rich DJ/chat show host, the 'common man' element
> is missing from the presenter panel, and that was something old-new-Top
> Gear had in spades.
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 5:01:22 PM UTC-5, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
> A couple years ago, CBS gave the green-light to a new pilot entitled
> "Rockford Files" that featured none of the original cast members, none of
> the original writers, and nobody from the original production team. The
> only remaining aspect of the original series was the car. Ultimately the
> series was rejected.
>
> This new Top Gear concept reminds me of that.
>
> I agree with what Adam said, that the chemistry of the cast will dictate
> the success of the new show. I'm not a purest and can accept different
> incarnations of Top Gear (both the US and Aussie versions were good and
> worth watching). But from the press I've seen on the new UK series, it is
> all being handled in the tame, breakfast show style of its new host and
> (departed) director. It does not bode well.
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Adam Bowie <ad...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>
> David Coulthard has been a presenter on the BBC's Formula One coverage
> until the end of this season. As of a couple of days ago Channel 4 is
> taking over the BBC's F1 rights package, meaning that Coulthard would have
> been out of a job.
>
> I don't think the co-presenters' racing pedigree will make much difference
> to be honest aside from being able to handle the cars properly. It'll be
> more to do with the format and their relationships.
>
> Perhaps more interestingly is the fact that the relaunch's executive
> producer has walked away from the show a few months prior to the show
> airing.
>
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/dec/22/bbc-top-gear-execu

Re: [TV orNotTV] WGN detonates their Manhattan project

[Adam Bowie]

A shame that they won't be following it through to a very definite
conclusion.

I've just started watching this on the UK version of AMC too.


Adam

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Jon Delfin  wrote:

> It was quite good. Disappointed, but not surprised.
> On Feb 3, 2016 4:39 PM, "Kevin M."  wrote:
>
>> I didn't even realize it had a second season
>>
>>
>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/manhattan-cancelled-wgn-america-season-2-1201696153/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The inter-network Superhighway

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Munch is the ultimate TV crossover. He was in the final season of The Wire
in 2008 - which made sense given the character's origin. And Wiki says he
was in Kimmy Schmidt too.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 11:17 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
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> I've been trying to think of something more recent than Detective Munch
> (NBC) appearing on The X-Files (FOX), which was...1997.  I'm coming up
> empty.
> David
>
>
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> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] The inter-network Superhighway
>
> Or, when Barry met Kara:
> Since both series share showrunners, The Flash will be appearing on CBS’ “
> Supergirl” at the end of March. She will not return to the favor to visit
> The C(BS)W.
> http://www.tvguide.com/news/the-flash-supergirl-crossover/
>
> When was the last time we had a trans-network* crossover? (*OTA only)
>
> _  _
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Full Frontal is coming next Monday

[Adam Bowie]

Would that model - on a different night - not be what Last Week Tonight on
HBO is? A half-hour weekly show?


Adam

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> Full Frontal with Samantha Bee premieres next Monday.  Contrary to what I
> was expecting, it is apparently a half-hour weekly program that will air
> right before Conan on Mondays.
>
> To be fair, I don't remember anyone explicitly stating the show would run
> weeknights after Conan, but calling the show a late night program and Bee a
> late night host made it really easy to infer as much.
>
> The half-hour format isn't a big deal, TBS used that format with Pete
> Holmes.  But weekly and pre-11 pm kind of expands the notion of an American
> late night program.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] BBC's Terry Wogan dead at 77

[Adam Bowie]

It's hard to equate him to an equivalent US figure, but given his primetime
chat show that ran from 1982 for about ten years - three times a week in
it's heyday - you might start with Johnny Carson. Wogan's show didn't run
nearly as long as Carson's but the cumulative length of his reign on radio
and television means I'd easily put him on par.

On top of that there was Blankety Blank, the knowingly shambolic gameshow,
and his wonderful take on the Eurovision Song Contest (Sort of caring, but
also jovially taking the piss out of all involved - something Graham Norton
has continued since he took over), his TV influence was enormous and he was
a much loved broadcaster. He also presented the UK's biggest telethon -
Children in Need - only bowing out last year when ill-health prevented him
from at least co-hosting.

But it was 27 years as breakfast presenter on Radio 2, presenting the
single biggest radio show in Europe in terms of audience, that was really
where he shone. He was breakfast presenter for 12 years before he began the
major part of his TV chat show career. And then when that show ended, he
returned to Radio 2 for a probably even more successful stint until 2009.

To put this all in perspective, news bulletins today are running long, with
obituaries probably larger than they were for David Bowie a couple of weeks
ago. And we'll certainly be getting specials in the coming days. One way or
another, cancer has claimed a lot of great people this January...



Adam

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Jim Ellwanger 
wrote:

>
> > On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:15 AM, Diner  wrote:
> >
> > I knew of him from YouTube as the original host of "Blankety Blank," the
> UK version of "Match Game" - and the show with the most annoying theme song
> ever.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWgR-4dcbc4
>
> He's represented in my radio station jingle collection.
>
>
> http://www.ellwanger.tv/collect/jingles/audio/tumblr/20160131-terrywogan.mp3
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Numbers reportedly crunched on a-la-carte cable nets

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On 29 Jan 2016 20:48, "Bob Jersey"  wrote:
>
>
> ... ESPN's figure is in the ionosphere...
> B
>

But that looks exactly right. In the UK (and many other territories) sports
channels are a premium add-on. Sky Sports is out ESPN equivalent and you
don't get it with a basic package. You *have* to pay extra.

Currently that's from £25.50 a month which is... $36!!!

That gets you most but not all sport.

Adam

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Re: [TV orNotTV] THR stuff

[Adam Bowie]

Indeed it really seems to be looking at what the other sites are publishing
and then rewriting it and publishing it yourself, often with no or minimal
credit, as quickly as possible. It's a volume game.

Indeed that's precisely the business model of the Daily Mail, which may
have actual journalists writing vaguely original copy for the printed
newspaper, but have many hundreds more lowly "journalists" who have to
rewrite copy from other sites, and embellish whichever paparazzi shots have
just come in. They actually employ quite a lot of people in this sausage
factory.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Jon Delfin  wrote:

> Ausiello, Sepinwall, Mitovich -- these and their compatriots are not
> bloggers in the way you're implying. It's all about putting a volume of
> material out each day.  The business models of these companies (TV Guide as
> well) have no allowance for proofreaders or copyeditors. More's the pity.
> On Jan 26, 2016 10:34 AM, "Kevin M."  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 3:59 AM, Jon Delfin  wrote:
>>
>>> If you're annoyed by the (relatively low) number of typos at THR, you
>>> definitely want to stay away from HitFix and TV Line.
>>>
>>
>> I don't expect the same level of proofreading from blogs that I do from
>> published journals, not that bloggers can't be journalists, but they are
>> more likely to be unpaid journalists
>>
>>>
>>> I miss the days when professional writers had pride in their work (and
>>> copyeditors).
>>>
>>> The same can be said about people in almost any occupation in 2016. In
>> my current blue-collar job, there are others who work with me who are
>> content to stand around on the clock when there is no work to be done,
>> whereas I'm of the belief that you don't waste money and either find
>> something to do or clock out and go home. Having even a tiny bit of a work
>> ethic apparently is rare.
>>
>> P.S.-If anybody knows anybody who is hiring, please do let me know.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Graham Norton show

[Adam Bowie]

I tend to watch Norton dependent on the guests, but he's been doing it for
many years now, so he's pretty good at it, even if he's never going to make
anyone's life uncomfortable.

I've mentioned it before, but if you want to hear a discussion about
British chat shows, then you can hear Norton explaining his philosophy. and
how he manages multiple guests in this episode of The Media Show from a
year ago: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04vr5j2

In essence, they try to plan it out carefully so that he has commonalities
between guests, and that does take a bit of time and effort - something
that's much harder to do if you've got five shows a week.

What I do find interesting are the guest booking "politics" of the show.
Because in the UK there are really only his show and Jonathan Ross's
Saturday night show on ITV*, each of which only airs once a week, all the
A-listers have to be squeezed into either show. Norton's show is bigger so
it's the most desirable. That does mean especially towards the end of the
year as you can't move for awards-friendly films, they are spoilt for
choice. The couch can have three or more guests, each of which ordinarily
would be enough star-power for any one other show.

That does sometimes mean that stars don't actually all come out together,
and they do two "batches." I can only imagine the behind-the-scenes
guest-wrangling about who comes out with who and when. Only very
occassionally is a guest genuinely late arriving at the studio because
they've crossed London from a West End premiere to the studios - it's less
than a mile from Leicester Sq where most films premiere in London, to the
London Studios where Norton is recorded.

Doug, the older actress from this week was Miriam Margolyes, who's defining
characteristic seems to be telling outrageous stories as an older woman
(she's a character actress as much as anything, although I think she's had
one-woman shows). Personally I find her irritating in the extreme.


Adam


* Strictly speaking there are other shows of course including the breakfast
TV shows, the One Show (hard for me to describe...) and Alan Carr on
Channel 4 for the slightly more downmarket guest.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 5:55 AM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
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> I find that Norton handles the multiple guest interview scenarios much
> better than Mr. Corden, though Norton has certainly had a lot more
> experience at it.  (I also find Norton much more subtle in buttering up his
> guests, but YMMV.)
>
> I have to infer a lot during his monologues, but about as much as I do for
> some episodes of Top Gear.
> BBC America carries it here, but there appears to be some notable delay
> between airdates in the UK and the US.  For instance, the 'New Year's Eve'
> show just aired here in the States, and no new episodes appear to be
> scheduled for the next couple of weeks.
>
> David
>
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> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] Graham Norton show
>
> Unsure who else watches the show,  but I started downloading it the part
> few months and watching it on YouTube.
>
> If you are into talk shows , add Graham Norton Show to your YouTube
> subscription list.
>
> Topics this week included Matthew Perry talking about the friends get
> together for Jim burrows.   An older actress had a great story of why she
> never watched Friends.
>
>
> My $0.02
>
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] X-Files premiere party

[Adam Bowie]

I went to the California Science Center about 18 months ago. I went purely
to see Endeavour which was fabulous.

But to be honest it's really somewhere to take kids to learn about science.


Adam

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:

> I've been there but it has been years. I want to go once the Shuttle
> Endeavour is in its permanent home. I'd go again if I was guaranteed the
> chance to mingle with Gillian Anderson. I know yesterday was
> #KissAGingerDay but I'm willing to extend the holiday just for her.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Bob Jersey 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> At California Science Center (ever been there, SoCal readers?)... with
>> cast members old and new, including show net-maven Kumil Nanjiani and Joel
>> McHale...
>>
>> Variety
>> 
>> (link)
>>
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] UK edition of Lip Sync Battle premieres this week

[Adam Bowie]

The cast list mentioned does seem a little low-rent for the British
version. While it's true that I've had to Google a few names from the US
version, there are bona fide stars in it. The Channel 5 version has
recognisable names to British audiences but I'd have thought they'd really
want to kick off with a "wow" name.

Years ago Channel 5 had a thematically similar show called Night Fever that
was filled with especially cheesy guests. In that iteration, the collection
of game show hosts and soap stars would have to sing karaoke versions of
songs. It'll need to shake those vestiges off.


Adam

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:49 AM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The night after the US edition officially premieres, the UK edition bows
> on Channel 5
>
>
> 
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/lip-sync-battle-is-a-cult-success-in-america-but-will-it-work-in-the-uk-a6801486.html
>
> Supposedly the celebs in the UK edition are not as top-shelf as those on
> the US version.  However, for every few movie stars the US edition has,
> there's a morning show host or the third lead on the latest teen show to
> fill out an episode.
>
> David
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Here's your new Top Gear UK lineup

[Adam Bowie]

David Coulthard has been a presenter on the BBC's Formula One coverage
until the end of this season. As of a couple of days ago Channel 4 is
taking over the BBC's F1 rights package, meaning that Coulthard would have
been out of a job.

I don't think the co-presenters' racing pedigree will make much difference
to be honest aside from being able to handle the cars properly. It'll be
more to do with the format and their relationships.

Perhaps more interestingly is the fact that the relaunch's executive
producer has walked away from the show a few months prior to the show
airing.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/dec/22/bbc-top-gear-executive-producer-chris-evans



On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 9:31 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Schmitz was also on the team who hosted the German car show D Motor.  That
> team 'lost' to the UK hosts in the second of Schmitz's two appearances.
>
> It sounds like Evans will be joined by three professional drivers.  Not
> sure how that affects the shows appeal to those who don't follow the
> various non NASCAR circuits.
>
> David
>
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> *To:* TVorNotTV 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:14 PM
> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] Here's your new Top Gear UK lineup
>
>
> We already know about Chris Evans
> 
> (link to earlier thread)... the others are:
>
> David Coulthard, square-jawed veteran of Formula One (1994-2008, highest
> finish 2nd in '01);
> Sabine Schmitz, female German sports-car racing star (and onetime guest on *TG
> UK* in '04); and
> Chris Harris, a veteran of several European racing circuits and a longtime
> journalist with a popular YouTube channel.
>
> Variety
> 
> (link)
>
> B
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trump ruins rep further in Britain

[Adam Bowie]

I hope he realises quite how toxic he's making the Trump brand nationally
and internationally.

On the other hand, I have enormous doubts about to what extent he's
involved in some of these buildings and golf clubs that bear his name. I've
long assumed that it's like Richard Branson's Virgin empire - of which I
was once part - in that for the most part it's a licencing deal. He takes a
fee for the branding and someone else fronts up the bulk of the cost.

I'd love to see a serious financial news organisation fully investigate his
business empire. As I've said before, I doubt that Trump has as much wealth
as he makes out, especially if a substantial portion is attributed to the
value of the Trump name.  It's instructive how little he's had to spend
thus far on this campaign.



Adam

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Diner  wrote:

>
> On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 8:27:15 PM UTC-5, Bob Jersey wrote:
>>
>>
>> Over two years ago, Ol' Comb-Over stuck his surname onto one of golf's
>> Scottish shrines, Turnberry.
>>
>> Prior to that, the course hosted four Open Championships, the last in
>> 2009.
>>
>> But, his recent anti-Mexican and anti-Muslim statements have turned off
>> the sport's caretakers, the R, to the point where they've removed Trump
>> Turnberry at least from a shot at the 2020 Open, if not other events.
>>
>> Don's already un-endeared himself to enough of the Middle East
>> powers-that-be, after a Dubai firm dropped his moniker from a golf resort
>> in which they had been partnered with him.
>>
>> The Independent
>> 
>> (UK) (link)
>>
>> B
>>
>>
> "A golf course owned by Donald Trump is no longer being considered to host
> a major golf tournament due to remarks that Trump has made about Mexicans
> and Muslims. You know there's a problem when your views on race are too
> extreme for a private golf club." - Conan O'Brien, 12/14/2015
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] the next time you see Trevor Noah

[Adam Bowie]

Is returning to work the day after such surgery usual? That feels very fast!

Adam
On 4 Nov 2015 20:55, "Jon Delfin"  wrote:

> ... he'll be down one appendix. It won't be tonight.
>
>
> http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/trevor-noah-appendectomy-daily-show-1201633512/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Vice Gets 24/7 Channel from A+E

[Adam Bowie]

This follows some news last week about how Vice is planning to launch in
the UK too. Indeed, the Broadcast magazine article suggested that they're
looking at 12 territories around the world. They note that this will follow
a US launch first. From the piece, it definitely doesn't sound like a
traditional "news" channel. More a TV outlet for their documentaries and
series.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/vice-to-launch-free-to-air-uk-channel/5095855.article?referrer=RSS
(If this link hits a paywall, trying searching for Vice and Broadcast in
Google News)


Adam

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> While the announced nightly news program on HBO has yet to happen, the
> digital news provider has made a deal with A+E Networks to take over the
> History spinoff H2 next year and turn it into a Vice channel--no indication
> if it will be directly competing with CNN, MSNBC, FNC, Al Jazeera America
> and BBC World News or going a more infotainment route:
>
>
> http://www.thewrap.com/vice-media-to-get-u-s-cable-network-in-ae-deal/?utm_source=Sailthru_medium=email_campaign=Alert_term=breaking-news
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: At least 15mil log into NFL's Yahoo-only* game Sunday

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Well given there's no consistency on whether UK viewers get those
unofficial yardage lines overlaid by the network, who knows. We usually do,
but occasionally, seemingly with CBS broadcasts, we don't. Who knows why...?

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Joe Hass <hassgoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My blind guess: because the game was carried by Yahoo (though produced by
> CBS), they decided to push an graphics-free international feed? Beats me.
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:43 AM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth, this week's BBC coverage of the Wembley game is the
>> full Fox feed. Sky carries the same feed. So I've no idea why the BBC did
>> their own thing last week.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:29 AM, JW <redbu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > Indeed if the boot was on the other foot, and I was told that this
>>> season,
>>> > Arsenal v Man United was going to played in New York, I'd be really
>>> upset.
>>> > I mean *really* upset. And we get 19 home ties a season for Premier
>>> League
>>> > football.
>>>
>>> While I agree with you, if I ever have to lose a home game, I'd rather
>>> lose one that's played every year than one that's played every eight years.
>>> (Obviously, that's not how Premier League scheduling works, but it's how
>>> the NFL does things.)
>>>
>>> > This gives an incentive to the fans to show up to the games
>>>
>>> Why? If I'm not inclined to buy tickets anyway, having one less game to
>>> not buy tickets for next year won't bother me.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: At least 15mil log into NFL's Yahoo-only* game Sunday

[Adam Bowie]

For what it's worth, this week's BBC coverage of the Wembley game is the
full Fox feed. Sky carries the same feed. So I've no idea why the BBC did
their own thing last week.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:29 AM, JW  wrote:

> > Indeed if the boot was on the other foot, and I was told that this
> season,
> > Arsenal v Man United was going to played in New York, I'd be really
> upset.
> > I mean *really* upset. And we get 19 home ties a season for Premier
> League
> > football.
>
> While I agree with you, if I ever have to lose a home game, I'd rather
> lose one that's played every year than one that's played every eight years.
> (Obviously, that's not how Premier League scheduling works, but it's how
> the NFL does things.)
>
> > This gives an incentive to the fans to show up to the games
>
> Why? If I'm not inclined to buy tickets anyway, having one less game to
> not buy tickets for next year won't bother me.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] At least 15mil log into NFL's Yahoo-only* game Sunday

[Adam Bowie]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Joe Hass <hassgoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for doing this. I've always found sports graphic packages
> intriguing, especially as the technology has improved. A couple thoughts:
>
> * Words cannot express how much my minimalist heart loves the simple use
> of the team abbreviations without the logos. That drives me up a fricking
> wall.
> * I'm guessing the lack of the big "TOUCHDOWN" pop-up is from not having
> to think through the mind of watching a game with no sound. This is
> probably also why they don't have a time out display.
> * I can't say all with certainty, but I would find it shocking if a pro or
> major college venue didn't offer a number feed of the clock for
> broadcasters to use (which is usually amusing to watch when they're trying
> to adjust it). That said, there's always a fixed camera on both game and
> play clocks for the purpose of replay burn in (this is true in basketball
> and hockey coverage as well) that's grabbed when the widget is
> malfunctioning. In most places, it's bolted down well; given this was a
> one-off, they probably didn't do as thorough a job.
> * Given that's the CBS graphic package for the down and distance display,
> my guess is that's now how international NFL feeds package those cameras.
> * I'm on the fence as to how much information these widgets should
> display. As you might guess from the first bullet, I'm of the opinion the
> less the better unless it can be done well, so I like this (though I think
> you could've put the down and distance display down to the third line and
> bumped in the clock to make a rectangle.
>
> One of the fun parts of the Fox generator problems from Tuesday was to see
> what the graphic package was on the international feed: MLBN with the MLB
> logo where the MLBN logo usually is.
>
>
In response to your points:

* They style and font the BBC has used is very much in keeping with its
graphics packages for just about every sport it covers. It's a house style.
Actually the inclusion of an NFL logo is quite unusual. But yes, minimalist
tends to be the way. It was only in the fairly recent past that the BBC's
Match of the Day highlights programme actually included a permanent score
box. It was assumed that the viewer could probably keep up with the score!
Sky really changed everything, and they took their lead heavily from ESPN.
So now everyone has pop up boxes showing % possession, shots on target and
so on. But they only appear occassionally.

* Rugby would be the closes comparison, and there's not big "Try" logo that
comes up either. I think broadcasters think that even if you're watching in
a bar, you kind of know that a try has been scored. Sky does, I think, run
a quick "Goal" graphic however.

* I kind of wonder if the BBC cobbled together something themselves. I
believe the way that sports graphics are now produced for big events is
that the raw data is centrally produced, and then a host-broadcaster
version output. However a broadcaster can then choose to take the data
feed, and add a sort of house-CSS styling to that data. But it's possible
that not everything is being output that way. The clock is odd though.
While in football (soccer) the only official clock is on the referee's
wrist - stadium and TV clocks not being official - with rugby there is a
single clock and that's happily shared to broadcasters.

Actually, I've just reviewed BBC footage from the first game this year, and
they used the full CBS graphics package for that game. So what I think
might be the issue is sponsorship. It's possible that they didn't want to
have "Visa/DraftKings/Whatever Halftime-Show" graphics on screen or
similar. The BBC produced their own coverage, with Sky doing the same. The
NFL supplies loads of guests. More to the point, the BBC is not allowed to
take commercials, and while you do see sports' own sponsorship logos (e.g.
Omega timing for Athletics), there are strict limits on what's allowed. I
wonder if that was the issue.

* I'm not sure whether the NFL supplies an International Feed as such for
anything but the Superbowl. And for the last few years, sponsorship issues
notwithstanding, UK broadcasters have taken the full US network feeds - I
think on the basis that the International Feed talks down to the viewers a
bit, and UK viewers are up to speed with the game enough not to need that.

BT Sport is definitely using the MLB international feed however!


Adam




> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:18 AM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I'm never sure how attachments work on Google Groups, so below are some
>> links to some screengrabs.
>>
>> Note that because they come from iPlayer they have an additional BBC
>> transparent bug in the top left that doesn't appear on live broadcasts.
>>
>> h

Re: [TV orNotTV] At least 15mil log into NFL's Yahoo-only* game Sunday

[Adam Bowie]

Since they upped the number of games a season to three, then even if you
remove Jacksonville from the equation, you're looking at two teams per
season as potential Superbowl hosts. If they take a multi-year approach as
they seem to be, then it must indeed simply be a case of having to hand
over a game just buy a Superbowl lottery ticket.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Joe Hass  wrote:

> So here's the weird part of this: as I read back on the articles from last
> year when this extortion/requirement was announced, everything sounded as
> though you had to do it within five seasons of the hosting year: you win
> the hosting rights, you travel. But 50-52 are already assigned, the league
> has already announced the finalists for 53 and 54, and Kansas City isn't in
> the running for those. So it appears the league is making it mandatory to
> just submit a bid.
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:49 AM Joe Ryan  wrote:
>
>> The reason the Chiefs are playing in London this week and gave up a home
>> game with Detroit is that the NFL said if you want to host the Super Bowl,
>> you have to play a game in London. No other reason.
>>
>>
>> http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-Chairman-and-CEO-Clark-Hunt-Clarifies-London-Super-Bowl-Connection/1fa176f5-98a9-4a20-b031-20d25062cfbe
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: ESPN Layoffs

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I see ESPN is killing Grantland now:
http://espnmediazone.com/us/espn-statement-regarding-grantland/

I wonder where this leaves FiveThirtyEight? I assume it gets a stay of
execution at least until post-2016.
On 29 Oct 2015 20:39, "JW"  wrote:

> Here's an article about the current economic pressures at ESPN:
>
>
> http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2015/10/26/Media/ESPN.aspx
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Re: [TV orNotTV] At least 15mil log into NFL's Yahoo-only* game Sunday

[Adam Bowie]

I'm never sure how attachments work on Google Groups, so below are some
links to some screengrabs.

Note that because they come from iPlayer they have an additional BBC
transparent bug in the top left that doesn't appear on live broadcasts.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9ga8N37qzidM1NrOWM0MzE5aGs
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9ga8N37qzidejhzU1lKSU5oNFU
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9ga8N37qziddld5alUzeW9vX1U

A couple of things to note:

- The BBC uses the same on-pitch overlays and graphics showing yardage
- There's no indication of remaining timeouts
- There's no pop-up saying "Touchdown" when there's a score. The scorecard
just ticks over
- You can't tell from the grab, but because the clock is actually a camera
pointed at what I assume is a stadium clock, it's constantly rocking when
the stadium rocks - i.e when those 4th quarter touchdowns were coming in.
I'm sure I remember that's how things used to work in the old days with
NFL. Back in the 80s perhaps? That's when the UK first got regular coverage.

As for your solution for choosing teams to play abroad, it's an interesting
model. The only thing I'd note is that the NFL is clearly trying to *sell*
the game internationally. And if you only give the UK dull fixtures with
losing teams that nobody cares about, then they won't do that. But then I'm
basically against the whole thing anyway :-)


Adam

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Joe Hass <hassgoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:36 AM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Joe Hass <hassgoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> To pivot this slightly, what the NFL has yet to do is put a game in
>>> London that would (in theory) be a moderately compelling match up. In the
>>> 14 games played as part of the "International Series",  this was the first
>>> year where a intradivisional game was played (Jets/Dolphins). Nine have
>>> been interconference.
>>>
>>> And with Jacksonville (the one team that needs to be relocated but
>>> isn't) in one game for each of the next five years, I don't see that trend
>>> changing soon
>>>
>>>
>> Surely that's because they wouldn't dare to remove a big game from a
>> side's home schedule and take it to London? Given that an NFL side only has
>> 8 guaranteed home fixtures a season, it's quite a move to give up one of
>> those ties.
>>
>> Indeed if the boot was on the other foot, and I was told that this
>> season, Arsenal v Man United was going to played in New York, I'd be really
>> upset. I mean *really* upset. And we get 19 home ties a season for Premier
>> League football.
>>
>> It's actually for this reason that I no longer go along to any of the
>> London games. It doesn't seem fair to home fans of sides playing that
>> they're deprived of a home tie.
>>
>> Now it'd be a different case if the Jaguars became a London side,
>> something that is off-mooted. But I'm not convinced the numbers stack up
>> yet. Never mind the logistical challenges of stacks of transatlantic
>> flights with jet-lag, and kick-offs that could never be anything but 2pm
>> EST games or earlier in the US. (We did enjoy the fact that Miami brought
>> it's own toilet tissue with it this year!)
>>
>> For starters, they have to work hard to sell out these games, and they're
>> not quite doing that. Wembley holds 90,000 seated. They close off a few
>> rows at the front for NFL fixtures, but there were definitely empty seats
>> on Sunday. And that's despite having "fan rallys" in Trafalgar Square and
>> closing off Regent Street. I get the NFL UK emails and there are always
>> tickets available.
>>
>> A smaller stadium like Spurs' new one, a possible site for future NFL
>> games, would help, but it's not as though we're short of sporting
>> opportunities in London.
>>
>> Finally, a note on the UK transmission of Sunday's game. It was live on
>> Sky Sports as most NFL games are - they effectively had four games back to
>> back for most of Sunday. But it was also live on BBC Two which is free to
>> air. I strongly suspect that the NFL gives very favourable rates to get BBC
>> coverage. It promotes the sport. Anyway, BBC Two ran its own graphics
>> package alongside the regular (CBS?) commentary team. Switching between Sky
>> and BBC coverage you could see the two. I believe sports graphics are
>> effectively data + CSS-style display information, and the BBC chose to use
>> it's own display format. The only bit they couldn't seem to do was the
>> clock, so it was old school camera-pointed-at-stadium-clock

Re: [TV orNotTV] At least 15mil log into NFL's Yahoo-only* game Sunday

[Adam Bowie]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Joe Hass  wrote:
>
> To pivot this slightly, what the NFL has yet to do is put a game in London
> that would (in theory) be a moderately compelling match up. In the 14 games
> played as part of the "International Series",  this was the first year
> where a intradivisional game was played (Jets/Dolphins). Nine have been
> interconference.
>
> And with Jacksonville (the one team that needs to be relocated but isn't)
> in one game for each of the next five years, I don't see that trend
> changing soon
>
>
Surely that's because they wouldn't dare to remove a big game from a side's
home schedule and take it to London? Given that an NFL side only has 8
guaranteed home fixtures a season, it's quite a move to give up one of
those ties.

Indeed if the boot was on the other foot, and I was told that this season,
Arsenal v Man United was going to played in New York, I'd be really upset.
I mean *really* upset. And we get 19 home ties a season for Premier League
football.

It's actually for this reason that I no longer go along to any of the
London games. It doesn't seem fair to home fans of sides playing that
they're deprived of a home tie.

Now it'd be a different case if the Jaguars became a London side, something
that is off-mooted. But I'm not convinced the numbers stack up yet. Never
mind the logistical challenges of stacks of transatlantic flights with
jet-lag, and kick-offs that could never be anything but 2pm EST games or
earlier in the US. (We did enjoy the fact that Miami brought it's own
toilet tissue with it this year!)

For starters, they have to work hard to sell out these games, and they're
not quite doing that. Wembley holds 90,000 seated. They close off a few
rows at the front for NFL fixtures, but there were definitely empty seats
on Sunday. And that's despite having "fan rallys" in Trafalgar Square and
closing off Regent Street. I get the NFL UK emails and there are always
tickets available.

A smaller stadium like Spurs' new one, a possible site for future NFL
games, would help, but it's not as though we're short of sporting
opportunities in London.

Finally, a note on the UK transmission of Sunday's game. It was live on Sky
Sports as most NFL games are - they effectively had four games back to back
for most of Sunday. But it was also live on BBC Two which is free to air. I
strongly suspect that the NFL gives very favourable rates to get BBC
coverage. It promotes the sport. Anyway, BBC Two ran its own graphics
package alongside the regular (CBS?) commentary team. Switching between Sky
and BBC coverage you could see the two. I believe sports graphics are
effectively data + CSS-style display information, and the BBC chose to use
it's own display format. The only bit they couldn't seem to do was the
clock, so it was old school camera-pointed-at-stadium-clock and in vision.



Adam

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Re: [TV orNotTV] At least 15mil log into NFL's Yahoo-only* game Sunday

[Adam Bowie]

Carrot and stick...

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Joe Ryan <jrya...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The reason the Chiefs are playing in London this week and gave up a home
> game with Detroit is that the NFL said if you want to host the Super Bowl,
> you have to play a game in London. No other reason.
>
>
> http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-Chairman-and-CEO-Clark-Hunt-Clarifies-London-Super-Bowl-Connection/1fa176f5-98a9-4a20-b031-20d25062cfbe
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I'm never sure how attachments work on Google Groups, so below are some
>> links to some screengrabs.
>>
>> Note that because they come from iPlayer they have an additional BBC
>> transparent bug in the top left that doesn't appear on live broadcasts.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9ga8N37qzidM1NrOWM0MzE5aGs
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9ga8N37qzidejhzU1lKSU5oNFU
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9ga8N37qziddld5alUzeW9vX1U
>>
>> A couple of things to note:
>>
>> - The BBC uses the same on-pitch overlays and graphics showing yardage
>> - There's no indication of remaining timeouts
>> - There's no pop-up saying "Touchdown" when there's a score. The
>> scorecard just ticks over
>> - You can't tell from the grab, but because the clock is actually a
>> camera pointed at what I assume is a stadium clock, it's constantly rocking
>> when the stadium rocks - i.e when those 4th quarter touchdowns were coming
>> in. I'm sure I remember that's how things used to work in the old days with
>> NFL. Back in the 80s perhaps? That's when the UK first got regular coverage.
>>
>> As for your solution for choosing teams to play abroad, it's an
>> interesting model. The only thing I'd note is that the NFL is clearly
>> trying to *sell* the game internationally. And if you only give the UK dull
>> fixtures with losing teams that nobody cares about, then they won't do
>> that. But then I'm basically against the whole thing anyway :-)
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Joe Hass <hassgoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:36 AM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Joe Hass <hassgoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> To pivot this slightly, what the NFL has yet to do is put a game in
>>>>> London that would (in theory) be a moderately compelling match up. In the
>>>>> 14 games played as part of the "International Series",  this was the first
>>>>> year where a intradivisional game was played (Jets/Dolphins). Nine have
>>>>> been interconference.
>>>>>
>>>>> And with Jacksonville (the one team that needs to be relocated but
>>>>> isn't) in one game for each of the next five years, I don't see that trend
>>>>> changing soon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Surely that's because they wouldn't dare to remove a big game from a
>>>> side's home schedule and take it to London? Given that an NFL side only has
>>>> 8 guaranteed home fixtures a season, it's quite a move to give up one of
>>>> those ties.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed if the boot was on the other foot, and I was told that this
>>>> season, Arsenal v Man United was going to played in New York, I'd be really
>>>> upset. I mean *really* upset. And we get 19 home ties a season for Premier
>>>> League football.
>>>>
>>>> It's actually for this reason that I no longer go along to any of the
>>>> London games. It doesn't seem fair to home fans of sides playing that
>>>> they're deprived of a home tie.
>>>>
>>>> Now it'd be a different case if the Jaguars became a London side,
>>>> something that is off-mooted. But I'm not convinced the numbers stack up
>>>> yet. Never mind the logistical challenges of stacks of transatlantic
>>>> flights with jet-lag, and kick-offs that could never be anything but 2pm
>>>> EST games or earlier in the US. (We did enjoy the fact that Miami brought
>>>> it's own toilet tissue with it this year!)
>>>>
>>>> For starters, they have to work hard to sell out these games, and
>>>> they're not quite doing that. Wembley holds 90,000 seated. They close off a
>>>> few rows at the front for NFL fixtures, but there were definitely empty
>>>> seats on Sunday. A

Re: [TV orNotTV] ESPN Layoffs

[Adam Bowie]

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Joe Hass  wrote:
>
>
> I cannot find a previous occurrence where a network willingly gave up
> (even via negotiation) TV rights for an event.
>
>
For what it's worth, this has happened a few times in the UK, particularly
with the BBC.

The Open golf will no longer be live on the BBC for the first time ever.
Sky Sports won the rights from 2017 leaving the BBC with just evening
highlights. The BBC was due to broadcast the final year of its contract in
2016, but has now sold the rights to that final yea on to Sky.
(Incidentally, that only leaves the Masters on live free-to-air TV - the
BBC. This at a time when golf in the UK is seeing popularity falling.)

Then there was the case of Six Nations rugby - a competition between
England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, France and Italy each year. The BBC had
exclusive rights until 2017, but with the contract coming up for renewal,
the rights will be shared with ITV. And the BBC has again brought forward
the sharing, beginning next season.

Finally the BBC also did a deal with Sky some years ago when it had
exclusive Formula One rights, agreeing to share rights in exchange for
reducing the fee it paid. Sky shows every race live, while the BBC shows
only half the races. Consequently they missed live coverage of Lewis
Hamilton winning the Championship in Texas at the weekend.

In each of these cases, it was simply a case of saving money on sports
rights. This comes at a time when the BBC has challenges around funding
shortcomings, the details of which I could bore you with, but are
complicated but big.


Adam

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Re: [TV orNotTV] TV South of the Equator

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In the UK we tend to get US sports in their original network form on
whichever channel has the rights. So NFL is mostly on Sky Sports where they
show three games back to back on Sunday (with Redzone also available), and
a lovely mix of Fox, CBS and NBC logos and bugs mixed in with Sky Sports'
own ones. These come complete usually with those in-game network promos for
shows which may or may not be available on a Sky channel, and almost
certainly aren't being shown this week.

The Monday game is also on Sky, but comes complete with ESPN logos. That's
despite the fact that Sky's rival in the UK for sports is now BT Sport, and
BT has a channel named "BT Sport ESPN" which shows a wide array of the
parent channel's coverage. So yes - we do get college lacrosse!

BT Sport ESPN has MLB and is picking up TBN and FS coverage. I think the
only difference is normally the World Series itself, when we get the "World
Feed" which has no Fox promos built in, and more explainers for an audience
that doesn't see much baseball. However, given the games themselves happen
in the small hours in Europe, and early morning in much of the rest of the
world, I always think that anybody making the effort to watch the WS
probably already has a reasonable grasp of the rules of the game.


Adam

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 4:45 AM, PGage  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Jim Ellwanger 
> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 7:30 PM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if anyone here knows if this is typical outside the US - the
>> sporting events shown in the US on one network are shown on other networks?
>>
>>
>> Not to be too obvious, but the answer is of course — same way that
>> scripted shows air on different networks in different countries (but of
>> course, one big difference is that they’re not live, and the foreign
>> networks will have gotten a “clean” version in some manner from the
>> distributor).
>>
>
> The answer may be obvious - I do not travel much, which is why I asked.
> But I am not sure it is obvious from your reply. I would not be surprised
> to have seen "Scandal" for example running on some Ecuadorian network with
> a Spanish audio track, or subtitles, and some residual ABC branding
> bleeding out in a few places. But I think I would have been surprised to
> see Scandal running on a channel presented as NBC, with both ABC and NBC
> logos and bugs. This is basically what I was seeing with the NBC SNF
> running on ESPN.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] TV South of the Equator

[Adam Bowie]

Although in the UK, the ESPN channel actually appears as "BT Sport ESPN" -
to drive home the fact that it's part of the relatively new BT Sport TV
package.

In fact, because I have HD, the bug actually is a really ungainly "BT Sport
ESPN HD" which takes up as much real estate as you might imagine,
especially has BT Sport uses a fairly flattened font anyway.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> Joe Hass, to Jim Ellwanger and PGage:
>>
>> IIRC, there's an "ESPN America" channel that has a number of rights
>> packages for US sports internationally. What you likely saw was that
>> channel simply picking up the NBC feed and slapping a bug in the corner.
>>
>> This also happens in the US: the CFL package on ESPN now just takes the
>> TSN feed, graphics package and all.
>>
>> The "America" became superfluous after a few years; at best they're
> called by the region they're in, e.g. Latin America, otherwise it's just
> ESPN . (link to Britons' version, for example)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The new host of Celebrity Apprentice IS...

[Adam Bowie]

He is currently to be seen appearing in a cheesy series of commercials in
the UK, advertising an insurance price comparison website. I suppose it
could be worse.

Another insurance business is using Harvey Keitel seemingly in his
Reservoir Dogs persona.

Actors no longer need to go to Japan for this low-rent easy money it seems.
Anyway, I'm wandering off-topic. Does Arnie have any, er, actual business
acumen of any sort?


Adam

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 4:22 AM, PGage  wrote:

> To be fair, he was a bad and amoral body builder, and then a bad and
> amoral movie star, before becoming a bad and amoral politician.
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Kevin M. 
> wrote:
>
>> So the show goes from an amoral businessman to an amoral politician. And
>> celebs have to suck up to him, pretending he didn't cheat on his wife or
>> deny his own child.
>>
>> Great hire, NBC. Great hire.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Bob Jersey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ahnuld.  He's been a *big* fan of the show.  See you in October 2016.
>>>
>>> Reuters
>>> 
>>> (link)
>>>
>>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Full circle

[Adam Bowie]

I would imagine that somebody somewhere has done some research and
determined that x% of households now watch on widescreen televisions (or at
least TV's that are usually switched into widescreen mode), where "x" is a
large number that's fairly close to 100.

Can you still buy 4:3 TVs? Rear projection models?

I think in the UK for a long time everything was kept 4:3 safe, and for the
last few years of analogue transmissions, everything had thin black borders
top and bottom (14:9 ratio). I think for a while some of the SD versions of
channels kept their graphics in slightly different places to the HD
versions - it wasn't a straight down-conversion. But in recent years, if
you have a cut-out 4:3 image, then you're missing all the score boxes.

And to be honest it makes sense. Having the box floating "in the middle" of
the picture is odd if the vast majority of viewers are seeing a 16:9 image.

Adam

PS The cheapest HD sets in the UK are *way *cheaper than CRT sets ever
were. I remember going out and helping mum pick out our first colour set
sometime around 1985 (yes - really!), and it cost much more than a
supermarket cheapie is today.

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> were in the 70s.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Virginia TV crew involved in shooting on live TV - CNN.com

[Adam Bowie]

What a cheery sight that will be in hotel receptions and airport lounges.
Nothing like running what's essentially a snuff movie for everyone to
watch.

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 Mathew Ingram at Fortune is reporting that CNN has announced they will
 only show the video once an hour. Which is very benevolent of them,
 considering they could do the only fucking human thing and not show the
 damned video at all.

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 Both dead.

 http://nyti.ms/1KN2bLB


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Sesame Street Moves To HBO

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And in the UK it was ITV. But that was an unusual international
coproduction where each territory had its own wraparound. In Britain we had
a lighthouse keeper, with Fraggle being under the lighthouse!

Adam
On 13 Aug 2015 18:12, Doug Eastick east...@mcd.on.ca wrote:

 In Canada, I think that CBC gave us Fraggle Rock.  Sundays at 5pm.


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 HBO may not have much in their current slate re: children's programming,
 but lest we forget that HBO is the channel that gave us Fraggle Rock,
 Encyclopedia Brown, Tintin, Mr. Men...they do have a pedigree in the field.

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 There is an HBO Family channel, which limits movie/original programming
 to TV14/PG13-level (roughly 12A equivalent) films. That may be where
 Sesame Street is specifically headed.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:10, Adam Bowie ad...@adambowie.co.uk wrote:

 Excuse my ignorance, but does HBO actually do much in the way of kids TV
 at the moment?

 And is there a chance an inattentive parent might leave the TV tuned
 into HBO from Sesame Street into a daytime rerun of Game of Thrones or
 something?

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 wrote:

 I think it's what's called a win-win. Public and Premium partnership.

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Joe Hass hassg...@gmail.com wrote:
  A five-season deal where HBO gets exclusive rights to the new shows
 for nine
  months, then PBS gets it for free. HBO also licenses 150 old episodes
 to
  fill in gaps as the new season launches. The same goes with digital
 rights:
  PBS holds onto the old episodes; HBO gets the digital rights with the
 new
  ones for the nine months, then PBS gets them as well.
 
 
 http://www.sesameworkshop.org/press-releases/sesame-workshop-and-hbo-announce-partnership/
 
  As someone who's just dived back into this world with my almost
 two-year-old
  (he's both an Elmo and Abby fan), I'm really torn about this. I mean
 I get
  it, it fundamentally supports one of the greatest children's
 television
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Sesame Street Moves To HBO

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Excuse my ignorance, but does HBO actually do much in the way of kids TV at
the moment?

And is there a chance an inattentive parent might leave the TV tuned into
HBO from Sesame Street into a daytime rerun of Game of Thrones or something?

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  A five-season deal where HBO gets exclusive rights to the new shows for
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  months, then PBS gets it for free. HBO also licenses 150 old episodes to
  fill in gaps as the new season launches. The same goes with digital
 rights:
  PBS holds onto the old episodes; HBO gets the digital rights with the new
  ones for the nine months, then PBS gets them as well.
 
 
 http://www.sesameworkshop.org/press-releases/sesame-workshop-and-hbo-announce-partnership/
 
  As someone who's just dived back into this world with my almost
 two-year-old
  (he's both an Elmo and Abby fan), I'm really torn about this. I mean I
 get
  it, it fundamentally supports one of the greatest children's television
  shows ever, but this just seems so very, very wrong.
 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] TCA gives out awards

[Adam Bowie]

I find all this very confusing.

I took Jimmy to be a diminutive of James at first, even though it's
longer. Except I've never heard him called anything but James. Maybe his
mum calls him that? But now I see where you're coming from...

Except, if it was Scottish Conan Guy before then surely it should be
English Seth or whatever. Scotland is *still* part of Britain, and if
your're going to make the distinction for Craig Ferguson, then you really
need to be consistent.

Incidentally, I'm still a little surprised that no UK network has picked
this show up yet. I almost wonder if they're preventing a UK sale until the
show has properly bedded in? Otherwise I'd have thought that there'd be
enough demand for a Corden show in the UK.

[On the other hand, no UK network has ever stuck with *any* imported US
late night talk show in the UK. At the moment CNBC Europe airs edited
versions of Fallon at weekends, and the British version of TruTV airs Conan
in the small hours, helpfully providing zero information in the EPG, and
being completely out of kilter from everything else on the channel. I did
spend some time hunting down the Cuban edition though - having seen him
promote it on The Daily Show, just before Comedy Central Extra dropped
*that* show in favour of more repeats of Friends and Sex and the City.]


Adam

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Doug Eastick east...@mcd.on.ca wrote:

 Shouldn't British Jimmy actually be British Seth based on timeslots?

 SCG came from when Conan was in the 12:30 slot, non?


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 British Jimmy hosted a non-telecast event Saturday in Bev. Hills.

 *Empire*, Amy Schumer, John Oliver and Dave all honoured.

 THR
 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/empire-inside-amy-schumer-top-814115
 (link)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Atlantic: Why did Jon Stewart give Tom Cruise a pass on Scientology?

[Adam Bowie]

It's worth noting that JJ Abrams also got into the final run, ostensibly to
talk about MI for which he's a producer. In the event the discussion was
mostly about Star Wars.

Mind you, has Stewart admitted, he's a big enough fan of Abrams to have
wanted him on the show anyway.


Adam

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 n Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:

 My apologies for the tardiness (did anyone else know raising an almost
 two-year-old takes up a ton of your time?).

 My fundamental question is why did this interview occur in the first
 place? This is the equivalent of Dave doing an interview with someone on a
 promo junket in early May. Did no one at TDS have the power to say, You
 know, we're kinda booked up for the rest of the run, and we're sure you
 kids can find loss of other outlets for your wackiness.?

 I think Cruise is still considered a rare and major get for a talk
 show. It may be a vestige of his past success or he could still have a big
 following that makes it worth having him on TDS.


 Perhaps that would have made sense almost any other month than this one
 for TDS; but given that  he was inside of his last ten shows. It seems
 unlikely he really needed or wanted or ratings goose now. I am more likely
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Genial automotive idiots moving to Prime

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I would imagine that niether the new Amazon show nor the new BBC version of
Top Gear will use The Stig. For one thing, the concept will be (c) BBC, and
for another it's probably a bit tired. I would expect both shows to change
formats substantially.

What'll be interesting is the extent to which commercialisation comes into
play with the Amazon show. The BBC had some very strict rules about product
placement and the like, whereas potentially Amazon won't. On the other
hand, they won't want to favour one manufacturer over others. But you know
that when a car company give the crew a dozen cars for them to play giant
football with, in the process smashing them up, it's not the production
company that'll be picking up the tab.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Atlantic: Why did Jon Stewart give Tom Cruise a pass on Scientology?

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He's never really given any Hollywood stars a hard time though has he?

In any event I wonder if that wasn't 'off limits' as far as Cruise's PR
people were concerned.
On 30 Jul 2015 21:58, Steve Timko steveti...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was wondering the same thing. Stewart was such a fan boy.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Genial automotive idiots moving to Prime

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 On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Adam Bowie a...@adambowie.co.uk wrote:

 I would imagine that niether the new Amazon show nor the new BBC version
of Top Gear will use The Stig. For one thing, the concept will be (c) BBC,
and for another it's probably a bit tired. I would expect both shows to
change formats substantially.


 The BBC rebranded their entire Top Gear website with the Stig, and
several of their iPhone games feature the Stig. I suspect the Stig will
remain at Top Gear for the duration.


But The Stig was the only face left after they had to remove the
presenters. That's the obviois default to fall back to in a crisis.

A new producer of the show was appointed today, and I think new Top Gear
will be totally different.

She has worked with new  presenter Chris Evans before on a couple of
occasions, and they'll be brimming with original ideas. Evans is his own
man and made his millions working closely on original formats. He's not
going to be a presenter for hire.

Aside from being about cars, and probably having a reworked version of the
same theme tune, I expect to see a completely different show.

Adam

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Bristology: Colin Cowherd movin' on

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With regard to ESPN being sold as a standalone package like HBO Now, Disney
CEO Bob Iger is reported as saying it won't happen for another five years.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/27/disney-ceo-iger-espn-could-one-day-be-sold-direct.html

I assume that those cable agreements regarding inclusion of ESPN as basic
will be unsustainable by then.

I pay attention to this stuff because in the UK, sports packages have
always been sold as a separate premium tier. As a consequence Sky Sports
(The UK's nearest equivalent to ESPN) costs an additional £25.50 a month
($40). Since the cost base is broadly similar, and UK Premier League rights
are now about second only to NFL rights globally in terms of cost having
seen massive recent inflation, fewer subscribers means much more per
subscriber cost when they go a la carte.

When the day comes that ESPN is not bundled as a basic cable service but
has to be bought separately either as part of your cable package or via a
standalone internet package, the cost is going to be a massive jump for
those who want to continue watching sport.

(And this gets more complicated when additional players come into the TV
sports market. In the UK, BT Sport (analogous to Fox Sports of NBC Sports
perhaps) has made a big play with Champions' League rights as well as some
Premier League rights, and for some subscribers that means *another* £24
($37) a month. That's a lot of money to watch football!)


Adam

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 On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:06 PM, 'Greg Diener' via TVorNotTV 
 tvornottv@googlegroups.com wrote:

 ESPN has fired him. He won't be allowed to finish his final week, which
 was to be next week.


 http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/espn-is-taking-colin-cowherd-off-the-air.html


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Re: [TV orNotTV] On Trump, FNC, and TV

[Adam Bowie]

An interesting take on Trump.

The only bit I wonder about is his funding. Yes, he claims he's worth
billions. But can he get his hands on that as cash? And more to the point,
is he actually willing to spend his own money on his campaign?

I'm not too sure. I think he's more in the Richard Branson style of
billionaire - he doesn't spend his own money. He uses his name to get
partners who stump up most of the cash for his projects, and put his name
on those projects. But he's not actually investing much - if any - of his
own cash.

It's a bit like why movie stars don't bankroll their own films. They could.
But they know that's the first rule of Hollywood. You don't pay yourself.
And I reckon that unlike other billionaires who are willing to spend their
own dollar, he's not. We'll see...


Adam

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wanted to pull this out of the Gutfield thread because it's tangentially
 related, but worth noting.

 I generally agree with PGage that we're very much in clown car stage, so
 everything at this point is just news filler.

 But there are two really important things to remember about Trump as it
 relates to this board:

 For the first time in memory (if ever), the Republican National Committee
 and Fox News Channel are in completely different worlds, and it's all about
 how to handle Donald Trump. Because Trump draws eyeballs, and at the end of
 the day, FNC is about eyeballs. If Trump is one or two in the polls right
 now, he is red meat to FNC's viewership (which is even further right than
 what the RNC is, much less wants). The Onion Op-Ed is spectacularly right:
 Admit It: You People Want To See How Far This Goes, Don’t You? (
 http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/admit-it-you-people-want-see-how-far-goes-dont-you-50895).
 And don't think FNC won't take every single Trump event, much to the RNC's
 permanent consternation. There's absolutely no way he's not on the stage at
 the first debate. And trust me: we're all gonna either watch it or the
 highlights the next morning.

 The second is a little more roundabout. Fundamentally, what sinks
 candidates is what floats 'em: cash. Specifically, their ability to raise
 it. And at this moment, Trump could literally spend a billion dollars
 without raising one penny from a Super Pac, the RNC...you name it. He wants
 to insult Mexicans? Take cracks at John McCain? Guess how much that'll
 affect his fundraising? It won't, because he doesn't have to! When Trump
 actually decides to launch a media campaign, those commercials are going to
 be spectacular! Doesn't matter how you define spectacular. You know it. I
 know it.

 Everyone can laugh in July, 2015. But why do I have this feeling we're
 still gonna be laughing in February, 2016?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] UnREAL gets second round

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This series has just started airing in the UK and I'm intrigued enough to
give it at least a second episode.

I believe the creator of it worked on The Bachelor based on a podcast
interview I heard. I think rather than not being accurate (no series set in
any profession ever is), it's whether I can find any of the characters have
any redeeming features that will determine whether I stay the course.

Adam
On 10 Jul 2015 21:12, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Jon Delfin jondel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are you suggesting that this show isn't a documentary? I'm shocked.
 Shocked, I say.

 Exactly why I didn't write it. The things that annoyed me were mostly
 things only someone who had been there would notice (some logistical,
 technical, and even legal fabrications), not because they were wrong, but
 because there is enough behind the scenes drama in how those shows really
 work without needing to make stuff up.

 Back when I was involved in that crap, for which I again apologize, I
 thought the best reality series would be to pretend to shoot a fake reality
 series but get the crew to sign waivers agreeing to be televised (not
 uncommon... I always signed mine John Wayne so I could sue them for
 including me if I didn't like the outcome)... and make the crew the REAL
 reality show. I've done all the casting in my head. Because there is more
 sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll on what really goes in than in Unreal.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Beeb Young Demo Wimbledon Studio Show Bombs

[Adam Bowie]

Basically the problem was that some new producers decided that instead of
highlights of all the matches people missed at work that people wanted to
see, they put too many features in a new format.

As I type, today's episode is airing, delayed after Djokovic was close to
being knocked out. They've moved back to a more traditional set this week,
and no studio audience (they seem to be a bit of a trend in the UK at the
moment and add nothing to a show like this). One way or another, Wimbledon
is pretty popular in the UK - not least because Andy Murray is doing pretty
well right now. So audiences come to it anyway without trying too hard to
make it better.

As for BBC 3? Well it's still there - just. Last week the BBC Trust, the
body that oversees the BBC, said that it agreed with BBC plans to turn the
channel into an online service. So instead of a linear broadcast channel,
you'd get it all delivered via the internet and the BBC's iPlayer. Formal
sign off isn't for another three months, and I imagine it'll be a few
months after that until the transmission is stopped - early next year
perhaps? The BBC is only really doing this because it needs to save money.
Its funding mechanism, the licence fee, has been kept flat for years now,
which means without inflationary increases its worth less than it was.
Semi-closing a channel is part of the BBC's answer.

Bigger news with regard to the BBC is its funding following today's
announcement that it must stump up the bill for the government's decision
to allow the over 75s to have a free TV licence. This effectively costs the
BBC one fifth of its budget. The quid pro quo is that the BBC will be able
to charge non-licence fee payers for use of the iPlayer. At the moment
there's a loop-hole that allows much iPlayer use to be legitimate without a
TV licence. It's worth noting that currently in the UK licence fee payers
don't have to jump any OTT hurdles that you might have to do to use some on
demand services in the US, like use your cable company's credentials to log
on.

This is all going to be quite a big ongoing story, as it could result in
more job losses (1,000 out of 17,000 were announced last week for a much
smaller saving), and the potentially the shutting of services.

More on all that here:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/06/bbc-pay-cost-free-tv-licences-over-75s-fee-deal


Adam

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Mark Jeffries spotligh...@gmail.com wrote:

 BBC Sport, in an attempt to break from the traditional
 highlights-and-analysis of studio shows and get down with the kids and
 their social media, redubbed the highlights show of The Championships (aka
 Wimbledon) Wimbledon2Day and added a studio audience and wacky home
 videos, to mostly negative tweets and posts and about the same ratings that
 the traditional format studio show received last year, took the fall and
 for the tournament's second week this week is kicking out the studio
 audience and returning to the usual format:


 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/wimbledon-bbc-changes-highlights-show-806808?utm_source=Sailthruutm_medium=emailutm_term=hollywoodreporter_livefeed_dailyutm_campaign=THR%20Live%20Feed_2015-07-06%2011%3A00%3A00_lgoldberg

 Speaking of young demo pandering at the Beeb, I have heard that BBC3, the
 digital channel that's the usual suspect when it comes to complaints about
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: AV Club's guide to watching Le Tour De France

[Adam Bowie]

I'm not sure who the other British announcer is that you're hearing, but
there is a small group of freelances who seem to commentate on pretty much
every English-language cycling feed I've ever seen. They tend not to be
network specific and are often employed by the race directly to provide a
world feed for any network who isn't using their own team.

In the UK we actually do have a second choice of commentary because as well
as ITV4 (who have Phil and Paul), Eurosport also covers the race, with
Carlton Kirby and ex-Tour winner Sean Kelly.

ITV4 puts together a more polished offering, particularly in the highlights
package that I end up watching most. But you can have fun during live
stages switching between the two feeds trying to avoid commercial breaks.
The pictures are all identical, as are the on-screen graphics, since they
all come from the host broadcaster.


Adam

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com
 wrote:


 Adam Bowie, to moi and Kevin, in part:

 One thing in the AVClub's piece I would disagree slightly with is the
 Phil and Paul show. I must admit that I think it's time for a change of the
 guard. I first heard Phil Liggett commentate on the Tour when we first got
 proper daily coverage in the UK back in 1985, and it might just be time for
 a change. Phil and Paul are on the world feed as far as I'm aware, meaning
 that pretty much every English speaking country gets them, although they
 switch mics at times so Paul is heard internationally while Phil is doing
 an NBC Sports-specific live read.


 They were thisclose to splitting up *years* ago, and ISTR that was since
 OLN turned into Versus.  B


 I greatly prefer Phil and Paul to the trio at NBC Sports who do the
 wraparounds and summaries. Typically on the live US version of Le Tour, the
 start of the race is done by a different announcer from the UK and
 somewhere between 30 minutes to an hour into each stage, Phil and Paul do
 their thing. Phil is, to me, the epitome of a cycling announcer, though his
 bias for certain riders often shines through. This year, however, a couple
 of former Le Tour riders have been contracted to contribute running
 commentary and post-ride reviews, so we shall see what that brings to the
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: AV Club's guide to watching Le Tour De France

[Adam Bowie]

I'm looking forward to this year's TdF enormously - indeed, I'm going out
to watch the Pyrenean stages in the second week. Look out for me waving on
the side of a mountain somewhere. That's if I don't die trying to ride up
some of the climbs (part-way at least).

One thing in the AVClub's piece I would disagree slightly with is the Phil
and Paul show. I must admit that I think it's time for a change of the
guard. I first heard Phil Liggett commentate on the Tour when we first got
proper daily coverage in the UK back in 1985, and it might just be time for
a change. Phil and Paul are on the world feed as far as I'm aware, meaning
that pretty much every English speaking country gets them, although they
switch mics at times so Paul is heard internationally while Phil is doing
an NBC Sports-specific live read.

But I think they're a bit stale now. Recent commentaries with David Millar,
the ex-pro (and to be fair, reformed ex-drug cheat) were so much better and
more informed about what's happening within the peleton today. The way
races are ridden has changed, and it needs someone newer to convey that.

A couple of interesting innovations in the coverage this year.

Le Tour has done a deal with GoPro to get more on-board footage from bikes.
However it's not live, so won't make the day's live coverage. It should
appear on teams' websites, and guess could make the evening wrap-up
coverage. They're going to test live footage from a camera in the
neutralised start of the race too.

More interetingly, they're putting live tracker under the saddles of every
rider so you should be able to see where every rider is via a website.
Pretty impressive technically if it works. On the other hand, I'm not sure
what happens when bikes get changed and so on.

http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2015/us/pre-race/news/ahc/tv-gopro-inside-the-peloton.html

http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2015/us/pre-race/news/ahc/dimension-data-completes-big-data-analytics-and-digital-delivery-platform-for-tour-de-france.html


Adam

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 3:55 AM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote:


 Yup, very good job by them.

 It'll be even more exciting this year with the mountain stages coming
 right up to the day before Paris, the planning of which got kinda hairy in
 itself after a landslide blocked the original route.

 B

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RE: [TV orNotTV] UNI Dumps Trump

[Adam Bowie]

That's kind of why I included the Pew link. There's definitely been a trend
since 2004 when the gap was its closest at an 18% lead. But going right
back to 1980 there's been a really significant Democrat lead based on those
numbers.
On 26 Jun 2015 18:25, Melissa P takingupspace...@gmail.com wrote:

 I’ll have to disagree that “the trend of Hispanics toward the Democratic
 Party is recent.”  Yes, Cuban Americans have always been Republican, but
 Chicanos and those of Mexican and Puerto Rican descent have always voted
 for Democrats.  Of course, a significant number of Hispanics in this
 country, especially those from Central America, are not eligible to vote.



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 On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Adam Bowie a...@adambowie.co.uk wrote:

 I'd never imagine that having a common language would necessitate a single
 perspective on anything. That said, it's been pretty clear in recent
 presidential elections that Latino voters are overwhelmingly Democrat.



 http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/11/07/latino-voters-in-the-2012-election/



 From what I've read, as a voting constituency, they grow ever more
 important.



 The trend of Hispanics toward the Democratic Party is recent. within the
 last 10 years or so. Before that they were considered reliably Republican
 because of high Catholic Church membership and following the church on
 social policy. Demographically the Republicans are becoming less popular
 among those who are not middle aged or elderly white males.





 And while Trump may play well in New Hampshire, it's not exactly full of
 hispanic voters (3.2% according to census.gov).



 So while I appreciate that Cubans in Florida are very different to
 Mexicans in California, my point is that as business decision, a network
 would think very carefully before signing on for a TV special affiliated
 with a man who's not in its audience's natural constituency at the best of
 times, and is currently somewhat toxic in terms of racial stereotyping.



 The problem is that the contract was already signed before Trump shot his
 mouth off. And if he says the same things without being a presidential
 candidate maybe it goes under the radar.



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[TV orNotTV] Why James Corden is off this week...

[Adam Bowie]

He was collecting his OBE at Buckingham Palace:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33266093

He was alongside the Canadian born BBC journalist Lyce Doucet.

Incidentally, his Sky 1 sports-themed comedy panel show, A League of Their
Own, is still airing new episodes weekly in the UK. I suspect that these
were recorded before he started the Late Late show but it'll be interesting
to see if they come up with a workaround to carry on making new episodes.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] UNI Dumps Trump

[Adam Bowie]

Haven't Trumps racist comments about Mexicans made him pretty toxic amongst
the Spanish speaking community right now?

I'd have thought that the NBCU Spanish language networks risked
long-lasting backlash from viewers if they were to have anything to do with
him right now.

I note this from a Deadline story: NBC still plans to broadcast the two
pageants. Meanwhile, a source with knowledge of the situation said they’d
be surprised if NBCU-owned Telemundo picked up the Miss USA pageant
Spanish-language broadcast.

http://deadline.com/2015/06/nbc-donald-trump-univision-mexico-miss-universe-presidential-race-illegal-immigrants-1201456335/


Adam


On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Mark Jeffries spotligh...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Point well taken--but considering that Trump could be considered part of
 the NBC family between The Apprentice and the Miss USA/Universe
 telecasts, it's pretty likely that Telemundo would pick up the pageants for
 either the mothership or NBC Universo.

 Mark Jeffries
 Saints Spotlight Editor
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 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Mark Jeffries spotligh...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Of course, MIss USA will just move over to NBCU-owned Telemundo or the
 NBC Universo cable channel (formerly mun2, still bilingual English and
 Spanish), but the thought is there (and UNI may not have been getting good
 ratings from the telecast anyway).


 I had a bad reaction to this comment and I think it stems from your using
 the verb will instead of could. While, on the surface, Univision made a
 unilateral move to distance themselves from Trump, it's reasonable to
 assume there was an informal conversation between Latino groups and
 Univision execs about organized backlash to airing the pageant: protests,
 sponsor boycotts, etc. And Univision felt that dropping the pageant puts
 them on the right side of things. The thing is, the NBCU Spanish channels
 will be under the same pressure and unless the higher-ups at Comcast/NBC
 order them to air the show and suffer the damage, they will come to the
 same conclusion as Unvision.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Why James Corden is off this week...

[Adam Bowie]

Completely agree.

She is absolutely fantastic, authoritatively reporting from some extremely
tough situations.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Mark Jeffries spotligh...@gmail.com
wrote:

 A little bit of love for Lyce Doucet, one of the best reporters in the
 business and a woman who is amazing in her willingness to be out there in
 the field and in danger instead of staying in London at an anchor's desk.
 Well deserved honor.

 Mark Jeffries
 Saints Spotlight Editor
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 On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Adam Bowie a...@adambowie.co.uk wrote:

 He was collecting his OBE at Buckingham Palace:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33266093

 He was alongside the Canadian born BBC journalist Lyce Doucet.

 Incidentally, his Sky 1 sports-themed comedy panel show, A League of
 Their Own, is still airing new episodes weekly in the UK. I suspect that
 these were recorded before he started the Late Late show but it'll be
 interesting to see if they come up with a workaround to carry on making new
 episodes.


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