Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An end to A/B/X (DBT) debates? (No, but...)

2007-02-27 Thread cliveb
ezkcdude;183868 Wrote: In the Now, why didn't I think of it? department (well, actually, I did have such an idea once), here's a discussion from Pete Aczel (aka The Audio Critic) of an A/B technique using software to record and normalize the differences induced by changing components in a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An end to A/B/X (DBT) debates? (No, but...)

2007-02-27 Thread mudlark
I feel that driving the speakers and type of speaker are important and of course the technique doesn't work for this part of the system. I fundamentally worry about the overuse of measurement. I have used pro sound level meters which have been unable to satisfactorily measure certain sounds.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread Rangdo
So does anyone actually enjoy listening to their music and not their system any more ;) -- Rangdo Gronda Gronda Rangdo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5238 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread Codmate
pablolie;183728 Wrote: ... Maybe you 'understand computers' but don't yet know of the advances in DAW technology (shove a good audio interface on a PC - and it's a DAW!) in fairly recent times? Oh geez. I do have a Creative Audigy connected to my silent, $4k built to order computer,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The bottleneck for the ultimate sound experience?

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
)p(;183866 Wrote: Yes we did. And the Sb3 was only plugged in when it was its turn to be compared. Peter Then the test was good. Of course, hearing no difference does not prove there is no difference -unfortunately. But for your purposes you might as well assume there is no difference.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The bottleneck for the ultimate sound experience?

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
ezkcdude;183860 Wrote: Right on cue, P. Now, isn't it the pot calling the kettle black just a little bit? I mean, when you tell us the differences you hear between components, we are supposed to believe your ears, right? But, along comes someone who doesn't hear a difference, with his own

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An end to A/B/X (DBT) debates? (No, but...)

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
ezkcdude;183868 Wrote: In the Now, why didn't I think of it? department (well, actually, I did have such an idea once), here's a discussion from Pete Aczel (aka The Audio Critic) of an A/B technique using software to record and normalize the differences induced by changing components in a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread Rangdo
You mean a thread that starts out asking about CD treatment, morphs into cosmic rays, flipped bits, etc, etc. I'm just happy I'm not so sensitive to pick up all these audible differences :D -- Rangdo Gronda Gronda

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The bottleneck for the ultimate sound experience?

2007-02-27 Thread mglaudiolabs
I don't understand the problem. Why does one need to force oneself to find sonic differences between transport setups when there are obviously none? It just shows how well engineered the SB3 is and we should be happy to have saved money that can be better invested in music... -- mglaudiolabs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The bottleneck for the ultimate sound experience?

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
mglaudiolabs;183903 Wrote: I don't understand the problem. Why does one need to force oneself to find sonic differences between transport setups when there are obviously none? It just shows how well engineered the SB3 is and we should be happy to have saved money that can be better invested

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Trends TA-10 Amp (t-amp)

2007-02-27 Thread Codmate
I have a Super-T, and it really offers incredibly detailed reproduction for the cash. My advice would be to put it into some speakers that have decent low-end reproduction. I'm running mine into a pair of little Quad L-ite speakers, and while there is lots of detail and a surprisingly good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The bottleneck for the ultimate sound experience?

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
)p(;183908 Wrote: A few weeks ago we compared my stock sb to a heavily modded sb into a 47labs set with their progression dac. The differences were easily noticeable. That did surprise me even more at the time. But the 47labs nos dac does not do any reclocking etc. So we were curious how it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The bottleneck for the ultimate sound experience?

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
)p(;183911 Wrote: I am not here to make anybody happy in that way, just to have a good conversation about a fun hobby and because I love my sb so much :) p.s. It was a shame that with the 47 labs dac we could not switch in realtime between the sources...maybe even those BIG differences

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread cliveb
Skunk;183879 Wrote: The precision circuits for the servos, separate housing for the transport/DAC, and resonance damped platter proves that the design of CD players is indeed compromised. Not necessarily. Accuphase CD players are exquisite pieces of engineering, and I'm sure that the care

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The bottleneck for the ultimate sound experience?

2007-02-27 Thread mglaudiolabs
P Floding;183905 Wrote: Would you like to qualify that, or do you mean that all DACs and other digital-input equipment are independent of digital source quality? No, I don't doubt there are differences. But if the PLL/receiver circuits of the DAC were carefully designed and properly

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The bottleneck for the ultimate sound experience?

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
mglaudiolabs;183914 Wrote: No, I don't doubt there are differences. But if the PLL/receiver circuits of the DAC were carefully designed and properly implemented, the differences are astonishingly small. That's a massive if! And what about ASRCs? -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Greek Audiophile

2007-02-27 Thread y360
That's hillarious, thanks -- y360 y360's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33125

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An end to A/B/X (DBT) debates? (No, but...)

2007-02-27 Thread ezkcdude
P Floding;183895 Wrote: There is nothing new about this method. It's a bit embarrassing for them that they claim it is new. Can you point us to a reference? -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to turn off the volume control?

2007-02-27 Thread Audiofilia
I'm reading and learning; http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?HowtoBestAudioQuality As I'm using an external DAC I want to turn off the volume control as described, but I can't find the link for player settings. Peter -- Audiofilia

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Greek Audiophile

2007-02-27 Thread flipflip
This high(er)-quality version has been posted here before: http://homepage.mac.com/savagebean/iMovieTheater11.html http://homepage.mac.com/savagebean/.Movies/ACA%20FestivalFinal%20MixDown.mov -- flipflip Check out flipflip's 'SlimServer On DiskStation (SSODS)' (http://oinkzwurgl.org/ssods/)!

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The bottleneck for the ultimate sound experience?

2007-02-27 Thread Audiofilia
As stated in the beginning I try to maximize the performance of the already superb SB3. Thanks for many ideas and thoughts. At least I will try the following: 1. Turn off the internal volume ( if I succeed to find the link to the player settings on the slimserver skin ) as suggested

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Greek Audiophile

2007-02-27 Thread mudlark
Good heavens. -- mudlark SB3CyrusDACXPreXvs260AKEFiQ7 cable Avondale server Kubuntu Edgy, mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread 325xi
pablolie;183869 Wrote: And you seemed to made the point the superiority of computer based audo is its supposed ability to utterly eliminate bit errors, and if I am attributing it to you wrongly I apologize - it's a claim that was made earlier in this thread. And I have simply never seen any

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to turn off the volume control?

2007-02-27 Thread Audiofilia
OK, I found the link End of thread -- Audiofilia Audiofilia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10384 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33136

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Trends TA-10 Amp (t-amp)

2007-02-27 Thread jimmyfergus
Well, I got the TA-10.1 T-amp, and tried a quick test with my best speakers (EPOS ES-12) - unfortunately they are very hard work for the T-amp. They're not particularly sensitive, and I read something about them being demanding of an amp and later versions (M12, M12.2) were more forgiving. It

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Greek Audiophile

2007-02-27 Thread Deaf Cat
Is it just me or do the wives and girl friends look a little e not best pleased when the price of systems is discussed Actually told my wife about the clip and then I was asked, So then how much have you spent...? Ooops, My £3.2k was a bit of a shock to me too (only just started out

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC for SB

2007-02-27 Thread zzvelik
Looks like it worked out very nicely. My home isn't as old, but I had experienced dimming of the lights at an older home when I was much younger and I used to blast my old Yamaha M85 285 W/C amp. The tweak that I'm considering is getting a good power cord along with a new receptacle for my amp to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An end to A/B/X (DBT) debates? (No, but...)

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
ezkcdude;183929 Wrote: Can you point us to a reference? I read about the method in a hifi magazine around the year 2001, and I used it myself at around the same time. Unfortunately I have thrown away most of my mags. Thanks to cliveb for finding a reference on the web -saving me the work. (The

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to increase quality of server side music...

2007-02-27 Thread Mark Lanctot
SlimServer will indicate whether it will be applying a volume adjustment, just click on the track name. Look for Volume Adjustment and Album Volume Adjustment in the fields. -- Mark Lanctot It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response. - Jon Heal

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An end to A/B/X (DBT) debates? (No, but...)

2007-02-27 Thread ezkcdude
cliveb;183944 Wrote: Mr Floding may come up with other references, but here's one that seems relevant: AES Preprint 3137 - Towards a Definitive Analysis of Audio System Errors; Chris Dunn Malcolm Hawksford, Sept 1991. Rather than pay the AES for it, you can get it from the Essex University

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An end to A/B/X (DBT) debates? (No, but...)

2007-02-27 Thread ezkcdude
Codmate;183946 Wrote: Thinking about it some more... ...the main problem with what they are proposing is in the recording part of the process. The idea was to record the output from a component (i.e. preamp or amp), not from the speakers. So, if you are testing a source (i.e. SB3, cd

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An end to A/B/X (DBT) debates? (No, but...)

2007-02-27 Thread Codmate
ezkcdude;183982 Wrote: The idea was to record the output from a component (i.e. preamp or amp), not from the speakers. So, if you are testing a source (i.e. SB3, cd player, DAC), record the output from the preamp. If you are testing the preamp, itself, record the output from the amp. Only if

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An end to A/B/X (DBT) debates? (No, but...)

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
P Floding;183980 Wrote: I read about the method in a hifi magazine around the year 2001, and I used it myself at around the same time. Unfortunately I have thrown away most of my mags. Thanks to cliveb for finding a reference on the web -saving me the work. (The UK hifi mag's are bad at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An end to A/B/X (DBT) debates? (No, but...)

2007-02-27 Thread regalma1
Carver tweaked one of his amps to sound like a tube amp, fed one channel into one speaker, fed one channel of a high end tube amp into another speaker and placed the speakers face to face, I think just a few inches a part. I don't remember, but he must have reversed the phases. The result total

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Trends TA-10 Amp (t-amp)

2007-02-27 Thread Skunk
You really need some efficient speakers with those amps, or they will sound 'underwhelming' :) Some names that come to mind are LothX, Omega, Zu, Totem, older Klipsch, and of course all the single driver DIY speakers (fostex, hemptone, visaton, lowther or anything cheap on ebay with a whizzer

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to increase quality of server side music...

2007-02-27 Thread Skunk
Mark Lanctot;183981 Wrote: SlimServer will indicate whether it will be applying a volume adjustment, just click on the track name. Look for Volume Adjustment and Album Volume Adjustment in the fields. I think the word I was searching for was 'normalizing', WRT ways the ripper might cause

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to increase quality of server side music...

2007-02-27 Thread Mark Lanctot
Skunk;184017 Wrote: I think the word I was searching for was 'normalizing', WRT ways the ripper might cause this. Dang, I usually quote who I'm responding to. When I don't I often get called out. I wasn't referring to your post specifically, Skunk. :-) I'll revise the post. -- Mark

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An end to A/B/X (DBT) debates? (No, but...)

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
regalma1;184007 Wrote: Carver tweaked one of his amps to sound like a tube amp, fed one channel into one speaker, fed one channel of a high end tube amp into another speaker and placed the speakers face to face, I think just a few inches a part. I don't remember, but he must have reversed

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread Skunk
cliveb;183913 Wrote: But this thread is all about whether there is a flaw in the DIGITAL side of CD replay, and in this domain it is debatable whether the lengths that the likes of Accuphase (and other super-fi manufacturers) go to is necessary. Good point and thanks for setting me

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread pablolie
cliveb;183913 Wrote: Not necessarily. Accuphase CD players are exquisite pieces of engineering, and I'm sure that the care they put into the analogue side of things is justified (at least to a certain extent). That's the fun stuff. Since everything manufactured does indeed represent a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread pablolie
325xi;183956 Wrote: So we basically agreed :) ... BTW, system using SB as a source is computer based, I don't know why do you consider SB as The Third Way. Music is streamed from hard drive, and SB is just a remote SPDIF interface module. Which to me makes the SB part of the audio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread Skunk
Skunk;184027 Wrote: A good test might (?) be feeding I2S into the Sb from a Pro2M or other decent transport, preferably in the same box, then doing jitter measurements at the DAC to compare with streamed audio. Actually the Sb3 would have to be tested without the transport mechanism in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MP3 Car FM Transmitters

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
To the OP: I got my Griffin iTrip for my Nano (mk I) today, and I wouldn't recommend it. The way it grips the nano using some sticky pad is hardly confidence inspiring. FM noise was pretty high (may depend on my particular car's antenna), and increased if charging at the same time as listening.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MP3 Car FM Transmitters

2007-02-27 Thread Heuer
You can go down the Dension route: http://www.dension.com/main.htm This is proper MP3/iPod integration. As others have said the FM transmitters are next to useless. Other alternative is to ask your car dealer if there is an Pod/MP3 integration for your model (I had them install an aux input in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread 325xi
pablolie;184033 Wrote: When I look at my chain and consider new loudspeakers, I am starting to think what the requirements will be 5 years down the line to make it worth the investment... and the truth is I don't know, so I am likely to stay put for now (unless I win the lottery). That's

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread 325xi
Sorry guys for most likely stupid question, but that's a thing I couldn't find a definitive answer using all my experience in Googling :) I've seen many claims that optical connection is inferior to coaxial because it somehow introduces jitter. There even were measurements of output jitter on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread Heuer
Personally I use Auric Illuminator, but only out of habit. It certainly helps with some disk read errors but then again it could just be the act of cleaning. Maybe you could try one of these: http://www.furutech.com/produ_2.asp?ProdNo=242 Demagnetises vinyl as well as CD. Mad as a box of frogs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC for SB

2007-02-27 Thread Anne
Dimmers are a no-no in audiodisconnect them. -- Anne Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32740

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread Anne
http://www.lessloss.com/ -- Anne Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33146

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread jhm731
325xi;183956 Wrote: So we basically agreed :)I said that major real world advantage of playing ripped CDs on HDD based system vs. standalone CDP is convenience, not SQ. I agree. I like the convenience, but my tranport DVDP still have better SQ than the SB. Has anyone compared the SB's SQ

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread 325xi
jhm731;184070 Wrote: I agree. I like the convenience, but my tranport DVDP still have better SQ than the SB. Has anyone compared the SB's SQ wireless verses a CAT5 connection? All right, just note this is so not because of old technology is superior, but due to specifics of implementation

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread pablolie
325xi;184051 Wrote: That's going to be my own dilemma quite soon - exactly about speakers. But quality speakers hold their value pretty well, better then any digital components, aren't they? A friend (and I am fully aware a lot of dubious speculation gets started just like this :) was

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread TiredLegs
I have done side-by-side testing of the coax and optical digital outputs from my SB3, running into the same DAC (a Dodson 263, which does not have a jitter buffer), listening through a very revealing pair of AKG K1000 headphones. I repeatedly switched back and forth between the two connections at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Trends TA-10 Amp (t-amp)

2007-02-27 Thread adamslim
I have a T-amp in my computer system and use it for very casual listening. It's fine (i.e. surprisingly good) at low power but can't drive speakers properly - you'd need 90++ dB/W speakers to get sensible levels, IMO. In general I'd say the T-amps are a true hi-fi bargain in that they offer

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MP3 Car FM Transmitters

2007-02-27 Thread adamslim
ModelCitizen;183523 Wrote: I have the standard supplied Bose system in my Audi TT and it really rocks.. no complaints whatsoever... from my experience of this unit I can't see why people slag off Bose so much. It sounds much better than the Blaupunkt in my last vehicle (a VW Golf). My Bose

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread pablolie
I use the optical mainly to keep the whole grounding stuff out of the equation while I am fiddling with other options for now. I'll probably get back to testing at a later stage. I'd be surprised if the optical part introduces more jitter - the behavior of the optical IF ought to be very

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MP3 Car FM Transmitters

2007-02-27 Thread ModelCitizen
adamslim;184085 Wrote: My Bose car system sounds better than any other car system I have had, but it still sounds pretty awful. It just increases the ratio of radio 4 to radio 3, but there you go. MC, it looks from your changing sigs that you're turning into a bit of a Dawkins fan...? Is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread jhm731
325xi;184074 Wrote: All right, just note this is so not because of old technology is superior, but due to specifics of implementation of your system. Can you describe your systems? Both SB and DVDP based? Modified Pioneer DV45a or SB3 w/linear psu-Aberdeen 2150- Custom Made Speakers(Focal

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
No optical is NOT inferior and is used extensively in certain professional circumstances. At the frequencies and distances involved in domestic digital applications this is a non-issue. In fact I would go as far as to say that optical is preferable in many circumstances due to the lack of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread regalma1
I don't know if it creates an audible change but most optical cable is subject to output level variations with bending. This effect is orders of magnitude greater than with coax cable, even at coax at microwave frequencies. The effect is very dramatic. So I imagine if you were to cause a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread pablolie
regalma1;184097 Wrote: I don't know if it creates an audible change but most optical cable is subject to output level variations with bending. This effect is orders of magnitude greater than with coax cable, even at coax at microwave frequencies. The effect is very dramatic. Or not at all,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
Phil Leigh;184095 Wrote: This is one of the great audio myths of our time. To paraphrase Jean Luc Picard in First Contact, The physics of the audiophile world are somewhat different. Here are some of the principles I have perceived since my recent introduction to the audiophile world (and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread 325xi
Advantages of optical cable over coax are obvious, they are listed many many times everywhere. And I have no doubt optical used in pro applications a lot. This, however, doesn't mean an average implementation in mid-priced audiophile gear is as good. I'm concerned with lots of claims on Audiogon

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
Phil, Not sure if you threw in the towel on this or not, but I have two more updates. 1. I got WMP10 and it WILL give me the HDCD icon. Just not 100% of the time. My problem turned out to be I had the wrong Windows Media Run Time package loaded. Deleting it and reupgrading succeeded in getting

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread pablolie
Eric Carroll;184105 Wrote: I know I will get flamed for this posting. But I sure do like the clause in Hydrogen Audio's forum AUP that requires DBT to support claims of improvement or difference. Not sure why you would get flamed. The fact of the matter is psychoacoustics matter. You hear

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread 325xi
Eric, what I was asking for is some technical information and advice, not mockery-style reply. Although I totally agree about Swiss watch thing - that's why I'm interested in getting the best even though I might not hear it in real. Advantages of optical cable over coax are obvious, they are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread 325xi
jhm731;184094 Wrote: Modified Pioneer DV45a or SB3 w/linear psu-Aberdeen 2150- Custom Made Speakers(Focal drivers). Sorry for my ignorance, but what is Aberdeen 2150? I'm just wondering what DAC and amp do you use? -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp simaudio moon i-5 revel performa m20 via

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-27 Thread Olav Sunde
Eric, I have also done some testing on this. I've used a 1992 HDCD sampler from Reference Recordings (RR-S3 CD) and I believe I can see the dynamic expansion on the exports via the Cronotron plugin. I want to check this by recording the same track from the analog output of a HDCD equipped CD

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
Sorry, my response was not directed at you specifically 325xi in any way, I wasn't trying to mock or be in any way insulting. Apologies if it came across like that. I was actually amplifying Phil's very correct response and the references from other sources on this topic. I guess I suspect that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-27 Thread jhm731
325xi;184122 Wrote: Sorry for my ignorance, but what is Aberdeen 2150? I'm just wondering what DAC and amp do you use? An Aberdeen 2150 is a highly modified TacT 2150, which is a power DAC rated at 150w/ch @ 8 ohms. -- jhm731

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
Cool! So now I have to go buy a different HDCD and decode it for real. Then I have to ABX it to see if all this was worth anything ;-) -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 ReadyNAS

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
Eric Carroll;184125 Wrote: PS: to me, as a networking guy, the CD to DAC or whatever TOSLINK connection is just a synchronous bit transport network. No difference at all. Just smaller and less expensive. The TOSLINK carries an embedded clock signal that is recovered and used on the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
pablolie;184112 Wrote: Not sure why you would get flamed. Because I am touching on the great subjectivist vs objectivist divide in audiophile land. pablolie;184112 Wrote: I am always very scpetical when people claim something's based on physics. There was a time when they could prove

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
All bit sychronous systems carry clocks that are recovered on the other side unless you deal in seperately distributed clocking. So on average consumer TOSLINK, sure, there is a bit of slip potentially, if you have clock drift, and if you don't attend to that issue in your circuit design. But

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Greek Audiophile

2007-02-27 Thread ceejay
Hmmm, here's a question to sort out the men from the boys: Which cost the most: (a) your car (b) your audio (c) the contents of your wardrobe? You only qualify as audiophile if the answer is b. Ceejay. -- ceejay

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
325xi;184113 Wrote: Although I totally agree about Swiss watch thing - that's why I'm interested in getting the best even though I might not hear it in real. Well, I like to buy the best over the line of audibility, but not at the cost of an order of magnitude in price. So a Transporter

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
Eric Carroll;184145 Wrote: All bit sychronous systems carry clocks that are recovered on the other side unless you deal in seperately distributed clocking. So on average consumer TOSLINK, sure, there is a bit of slip potentially, if you have clock drift, and if you don't attend to that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Greek Audiophile

2007-02-27 Thread P Floding
ceejay;184149 Wrote: Hmmm, here's a question to sort out the men from the boys: Which cost the most: (a) your car (b) your audio (c) the contents of your wardrobe? You only qualify as audiophile if the answer is b. Ceejay. Do you qualify as a man if the answer is c? -- P Floding

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
ErikM;184159 Wrote: Gosh I wish I knew all ee buzz words and computer stuff but I don't. I did buy a good glass fibre toslink to compare to my Sterovox coax cable. The coax sounded way better. The toslink sounded grainier and brighter. The coax sounded soother with less glare, less

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blown away by Transporter

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
nicketynick;182758 Wrote: Yeah, but why archive it on plastic should the need ever arise? Just go back to the online source and get it again. 1. I want FLAC lossless on my Transporter. Lossy compression is perceptible (although some of the lossy codec like AAC are getting darn close).

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDTT new download store

2007-02-27 Thread HDTT
High Definition Tape Transfers Download Center is now open, it features six of our releases in true 24/96 resolution ready for download, all files are compressed with Flac. www.highdeftapetransfers.net Thanks -- HDTT

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-27 Thread Skunk
Eric Carroll;184111 Wrote: Phil, Sometimes you seem to ignore my posts, then repost what I said as epiphany found elsewhere- so even though I'm not phil I'll jump in :-) 2. Check out 'this posting' (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=showtopic=30999view=findpostp=475231) on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
Skunk;184169 Wrote: Sometimes you seem to ignore my posts, then repost what I said as epiphany found elsewhere- so even though I'm not phil I'll jump in :-) . Whoops, sorry about I must have missed your posting. Its only 12 pages of thread... Let me go back and look. -- Eric Carroll

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-27 Thread Skunk
Eric Carroll;184171 Wrote: Whoops, sorry about I should apologize too. On second look the file you linked to does appear to have more dynamic range. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
Skunk;184169 Wrote: I linked to positive results on page two, pointing out that the dynamic range is what changed. I can see without enlarging that the dynamic range is the same in your link. I have been using your posting #12 extensively on this. The first link is the methdology I and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records Studio Masters on Tp SB3

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
325xi;183326 Wrote: Considering all things said in Resampling thread, I'm just wondering what kind of sample rate conversions used in SB for downsampling? As I recall based on my reading of Sean Adam's postings in the forums (truely its worth reading all his back postings if this stuff

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-27 Thread Skunk
Eric Carroll;184175 Wrote: Can I ask if you have actually replicated this yourself? The link you reposted is just from the originator of the hydrogenaudio thread. Just checking. No, I only have windows 2k, which apparently none of this is possible on. Yes that's from

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An end to A/B/X (DBT) debates? (No, but...)

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
cliveb;183944 Wrote: AES Preprint 3137 - Towards a Definitive Analysis of Audio System Errors; Chris Dunn Malcolm Hawksford, Sept 1991. This is a very interesting paper, thanks for pointing it out. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
yikes, of course I meant head-fi. I have been on so many boards lately trying to figure out what I am doing wrong they are all blurring together, lol! And annoyingly it seems the mistake was disk selection, sigh. Ya, we should just pick a disk. Maybe I will see if I can get that disk Olav

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to increase quality of server side music...

2007-02-27 Thread kphinney
Mark's insight into checking the volume adjustment has revealed that the lower VU tracks are adjusted from -8 to -12 dB on the ones I've compared, whereas the higher VU tracks do not list a Volume Adjustment. I had a stint a few years back where I was home-bound after an accident. In that time I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDTT new download store

2007-02-27 Thread agentsmith
This is great news! I just read about HDTT on Tone Audio. They did not mention downloadability so this is a perfect chance to try it out. Question to HDTT: Have these recordings been tried out on Slim's devices? Also, I read about a sampler with extracts, but cannot find it on your web site.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-27 Thread Skunk
Eric Carroll;184180 Wrote: And annoyingly it seems the mistake was disk selection, sigh. Ya, we should just pick a disk. Maybe I will see if I can get that disk Olav mentions since he claims a positive result on it. Picking a disc would help. It's funny, I signed up for the reference

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to increase quality of server side music...

2007-02-27 Thread Mark Lanctot
kphinney;184182 Wrote: Mark's insight into checking the volume adjustment has revealed that the lower VU tracks are adjusted from -8 to -12 dB on the ones I've compared, whereas the higher VU tracks do not list a Volume Adjustment. That would be consistent with what you're hearing then. -8

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDTT new download store

2007-02-27 Thread Eric Carroll
agentsmith;184181 Wrote: Also, I read about a sampler with extracts, but cannot find it on your web site. I downloaded the sampler and it worked fine on my Transporter. The SB3 will downsample it to 48 KHz and should play fine. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to increase quality of server side music...

2007-02-27 Thread kphinney
Mark Lanctot;184184 Wrote: You can tell SS to ignore this by going to Player Settings - Audio (last section) Volume Adjustment / Replay Gain. SS is using it because the tags are there and you will find that Volume Adjustment / Replay Gain has been activated. They were most likely added

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread Robin Bowes
Eric Carroll wrote: In summary, the short answer is that in the classical networking wold, even in syncronous bit transport clocking, there is no known mechanism that could cause a properly engineered optical connection to be in any way inferior to a coaxial one. Key phrase: properly

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC for SB

2007-02-27 Thread mmg_fan
Pacific valve has a great deal on the DIYEDEN Great March2. I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to audition this or other similar Chinese DACs. it uses the PCM1798 chip and the DAC60, a tube DAC uses the PCM1704 chip. -- mmg_fan

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Greek Audiophile

2007-02-27 Thread drewe181
i love the look of the westminsters. unfortunately i'll never be able to justify spending all that money on them. Anyone been able to roadtest them?? -- drewe181 http://www.last.fm/user/drewe181/ drewe181's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDTT new download store

2007-02-27 Thread agentsmith
Eric Carroll;184185 Wrote: I downloaded the sampler and it worked fine on my Transporter. The SB3 will downsample it to 48 KHz and should play fine. Could you provide the URL for the download? -- agentsmith SB2/Pioneer DV-S733A - Benchmark DAC1 - Naim Nait 5i - Naim Ariva Speakers.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-02-27 Thread 325xi
Eric Carroll;184150 Wrote: Well, I like to buy the best over the line of audibility, but not at the cost of an order of magnitude in price. So a Transporter makes sense to me over an SB3, but you can see i have SB3s too :-) I don't have the top end DAC you might notice. You definitely

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