RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-23 Thread Slade Henson
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 22 November, 2004 23.44To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants Thanks for responding. I read several commentators views and only one thought it was actually a physical mark. The article you sent was i

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-23 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 11/23/2004 4:46:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Midrash, I think, merely sated that Cain had no previous event upon which to base the severity of his action... and this may very well be true.However, in trying to read the best out of

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Slade Henson
Scripture speaks often about the nations coming to Israel. The mixed multitude that came out of Egypt andthe foreigner or stranger who dwells among Israel were all to be considered as though native born. I do not think it would be fair to say God ignored the nations by giving Israel a

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Slade Henson
PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Sunday, 21 November, 2004 22.13To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants No concern for hidden agendas. I just don't know what to say that would not be speculation. Since Adam was the first man, any o

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Lance Muir
Amen Sladerino! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 22, 2004 05:55 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants Scripture speaks often about the nations coming to Israel. The mixed multitude that came out of Egypt

[TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Slade Henson Scripture speaks often about the nations coming to Israel. The mixed multitude that came out of Egypt andthe foreigner or stranger who dwells among Israel were all to be considered as though native born. jt: Is 'native born' where it is at Slade? I think

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Terry Clifton
Slade Henson wrote: Scripture speaks often about the nations coming to Israel. The mixed multitude that came out of Egypt andthe foreigner or stranger who dwells among Israel were all to be considered as though native born. I do not think it would be fair to say God ignored the

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/22/2004 2:56:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripture speaks often about the nations coming to Israel. The mixed multitude that came out of Egypt and the foreigner or stranger who dwells among Israel were all to be considered as though native born. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread David Miller
John S. wrote: I don't worry at all about libel, David. You don't worry that you might have written a false witness against your brother in Christ? [scratching my head and wrinkling my eyebrows] Please consider thanking me for the correction. A wise man loves the one who rebukes him. Peace

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread Slade Henson
Hello, Laura I've always wondered what the mark was as well. I've heard some people erroneously say it is dark skin. Others a lightning bolt like Harry Potter (or some other insignia). The term for mark [in Hebrew] is Ot. In the KJV, it's usedas such: sign (x60), token (x14), ensign (x2),

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-22 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 11/22/2004 8:38:36 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've always wondered what the mark was as well. I've heard some people erroneously say it is dark skin. Others a lightning bolt like Harry Potter (or some other insignia). The term for mark

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
Jeff wrote: ... as I said before, it allows one to make any passage of Scripture say what ever is in that persons personal agenda. David Miller wrote: You are doing the very thing you warn against. ... Jeff wrote: In this instance, NO. I pulled verses from throughout the letter to the Romans,

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Slade Henson
Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law [Torah]), that the law [Torah] has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law [Torah] to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-21 Thread Susan Petersen
I have already pulled on my hair several times while on this forum. But, I stop myself from responding at times. I go on and read other messages and go back to the message that disturbed me so much. I reread it. Then I reread it again. This way I can know that I am hearing the person the way they

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/20/2004 6:38:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course you know that I have read not only the context, but the entire Bible. What is this supposed to mean to the rest of us who have equal familiarity with the biblical message? And what does this have

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Jeff Powers
John, you do realize that this quote is from David Miller, right? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 12:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants In a message dated 11/20/2004 6:38:16 PM

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: Of course you know that I have read not only the context, but the entire Bible. John S. wrote: What is this supposed to mean to the rest of us who have equal familiarity with the biblical message? It means that you don't need all the cut and paste verbiage about context

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law [Torah]), that the law [Torah] has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law [Torah] to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Slade Henson
DAVE In the second paragraph above, you say Torah concerning the husband, who is sin and death. I have problems with what you are trying to do here. In the previous sentence where Paul says, she is free from the law and you define law here as Torah concerning the husband, does this Torah

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:53:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, Slade. Considering that you are only a few hours from here, would you be interested in getting together to talk face to face about these passages? I could bring a few brothers in Christ and

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:36:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John S. wrote: Once again, you have failed to continue a descussion, preferring, instead, to assert your view of your self as a backdrop for further and continued monologue. No, he decided to stop

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
Et al : Beginning with post Eden civilization, there existed standards of conduct that God expected of man (other than those related to Jewish history) . Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in the biblical message except to indicate that they were present in his time. A mark or sign

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: While you look hard for a situation where we are dead to the [whole] law, I have no such agenda. In fact, my agenda is opposite. (Yes. I have a bias to keep from nullifying Torah because Yeshua said that's what He was all about.) I clearly have no agenda to look hard for a situation

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
John S. wrote: Why don't you ask him why he terminated the discussion I don't ask him why because that would change the subject. I'm still here awaiting his reply. If he leaves the discussion, the reason is clear. He does not have an answer. I have hope that Jeff will return. Slade and I

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:53:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, Slade. Considering that you are only a few hours from here, would you be interested in getting together to talk face to face about these passages? I could

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 11/21/2004 8:50:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in the biblical message except to indicate that they were present in his time. A mark or sign was given to Cain to protect him I think it would be

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Et al : Beginning with post Eden civilization, there existed standards of conduct that God expected of man (other than those related to Jewish history) . Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in the biblical message except to indicate that they were present

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 7:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/21/2004 1:53:33 PM Pacific Standard Time

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:58:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can vouch for that. We had the privilege of spending a short time with David and Caroline and not one punch was thrown by anyone. He is a sweet spirited, mild mannered, generous man who loves the Lord.

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:59:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 11/21/2004 8:50:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in the biblical message except to indicate that they were present in

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
John S. wrote: ... but Ruben and pals are no so gracious Careful about libel, John. I respond to this because Ruben has been a past participant on this list. I have never heard of Ruben ever punching anyone. He was the victim once, but not the assailant. In that case, he turned the other

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Et al : Beginning with post Eden civilization, there existed standards of conduct that God expected of man (other than those related to Jewish history) . Cain was fearful of civilizations not defined in

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread David Miller
John S. wrote: Do we claim that the nations of Old Scripture times except the Jews had no relationship with God, deserted by their creator or, at best, ignored? No, we should not claim any such thing. Read Daniel and Isaiah. Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus were Gentiles, and Cyrus was even called

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:45:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John S. wrote: ... but Ruben and pals are no so gracious Careful about libel, John. I respond to this because Ruben has been a past participant on this list. I have never heard of Ruben ever punching

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:49:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John S. wrote: Do we claim that the nations of Old Scripture times except the Jews had no relationship with God, deserted by their creator or, at best, ignored? No, we should not claim any such thing. Read

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-21 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Et al : Beginning with post Eden civilization, there existed standards of conduct that God expected of man (other than those related to Jewish history) . Cain

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
.. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 23.17To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Kay, dont feel bad. My husband occasionally gets the same urge

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
That should read: J The Elder :0 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 23:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? In a message dated 11/19/2004 11:00:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
] Two Covenants? myth (it is not possible givn the NT nature of God's reign) On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:02:07 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:56:00 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] write

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
al Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 22.56To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? myth (it is not possible givn the NT nature of God's reign) On Fri, 1

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? myth (there aren't two or more definitions--that's the beauty of biblical language) On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:34:13 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps in your definition of Kingdom... but that's the beauty of

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
myth (re: the Prophets, JC, the Ap Paul andthe KoG, a definition emerges--not definitions) On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:50:38 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the power of opinion supercedes Biblical definitions . -- slade ||

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
16.19To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? myth (re: the Prophets, JC, the Ap Paul andthe KoG, a definition emerges--not definitions) On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:50:38 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the power of opinion supercede

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
who is it? On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:24:12 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are arguing with someone who's been arguing the point you're arguing.

[TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-20 Thread David Miller
Jeff wrote: You must include Romans 7:7-8:3 at the very least. And the whole book to grasp the context of this Epistle. That is why I dislike Cut and Paste Theology, as I said before, it allows one to make any passage of Scripture say what ever is in that persons personal agenda. You are doing the

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread Slade Henson
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaha --slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 20 November, 2004 19.43To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Powers
Jeff in red: - Original Message - From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 20:02 Subject: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants Jeff wrote: You must include Romans 7:7-8:3 at the very least. And the whole book to grasp t

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ttxpress
PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 20 November, 2004 19.43To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? who is it? On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:24:12 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are arguing with someone who's been argu

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
Isnt that what were supposed to do on TT? Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? This has been the most retarded set of posts

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Slade Henson
My wife called me yesterday on my way to school and told me about this exchange (with the "S" word). She was rolling on the floor, so to speak. I was afraid I would return this morning to the disappearance/banning/crucifixion of Jonathan Hughes. Jonathan... you're still here, right? I do

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: I didn't see this yesterday - had to leave the house early - but I would wholeheartedly second Terry's motion. What's wrong with reading the Bible? I never see you quote it Lance and when Jonathan does he apologizes. There is something really wrong with this picture On Thu, 18 Nov

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 06:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? jt: I didn't see this yesterday - had to leave the house early - but I would wholeheartedly second Terry's motion. What's

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Slade Henson wrote: My wife called me yesterday on my way to school and told me about this exchange (with the "S" word). She was rolling on the floor, so to speak. I was afraid I would return th

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Bill Taylor
6:05 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? The 'liar' responds:Rather than ask you to demonstrate wherein lies the lie; I'd like to ask our 'prodigal brother' to compose a readable, relatively concise outline of the Gospel as he has come to experience/speak of Him (never IT).W

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
I'll neither wish nor hope for snow as I understand that it's absence is work therefore, money. Thanks, Lance the hopeful - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 08:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

[TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance writes: Together we shall attempt to hear so as to see whether God has anything to teach us from one another. May I say in closing that, on those occasions when I've denigrated another's beliefs here in our store that protracted conversations were rarely had. jt: I understand this

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:08:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judyt:I seem to recall having said to you and, to Linda that I honestly believe both of you to be 'doers' of the Word. I further believe that, not unlike many on TT, it is POSSIBLE that the 'account you give in

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Hi Bill Taylor, it's good to see you are still around ... Lance writes: Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'? jt: Judy asks: What is the "theory of everything and why is it important?" Answer:The Incarnation jt: Oh Good, you answered your own

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
CTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 09:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Judy, I think this is a good example of how we often misunderstand Lance simply because he talks much like “C3PO” on Star Wars. I think he was not saying that you have not “

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 09:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? jt: Thanks for the interpretation Izzy. I used to post more scripture but stopped because there was never any response and it was a lot of work finding chapter and verse even though

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? As to 'interpretation':You are correct on the former and incorrect on the latter. Ladies both:Your lives carry the day while your 'posts' SOMETIMES do not. But, so could it be said of us all.(as to the 'posts' part

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 2:58:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My wife called me yesterday on my way to school and told me about this exchange (with the "S" word). She was rolling on the floor, so to speak. I was afraid I would return this morning to the

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 3:54:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'? Answer:The Incarnation It is well and wise to think of internal relations. Do not stop with the external. Indwel the Scriptures.

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 4:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After careful thought, there is no question that I could have chozen a better term to describe Lance;s comment than to call it dog doo doo. From now on, when I read a lie on this list, I will simply call it

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 6:24:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As to 'interpretation':You are correct on the former and incorrect on the latter. Ladies both:Your lives carry the day while your 'posts' SOMETIMES do not. But, so could it be said of us all.(as to the

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
John writes: I cna think of a number of scriptures that support the above -- soo, why is it imcumbant upon Lance to quote them. Is it not enough that he incorporates the scriptures as he understands them into his writings? jt: No, so far as I'm concerned it's not enough. People

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'? Answer:The Incarnation It is well and wise to think of internal relations. Do not stop with the external. Indwel the Scriptures. Example of 'internal' thinking:Slade's post this morning. I cna think of a

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Susan Petersen
PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 09:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? jt: Thanks for the interpretation Izzy. I used to post more scripture but stopped because there was never any response and it was a lot of work finding chapter and verse even though it is in my heart. If I

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
A good word, Suzy. Okay! :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Petersen Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? When I signed up for Truth talk I was under

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
I think that's what the Jman just said. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 11:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? John writes: I cna think of a number

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants Seems to me like God used similar terminology in the Bible, didnt He? Izzy I'd much rather deal withsomeone like Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Jeff Powers
Well, King James calls it DUNG Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? In a message dated 11/19/2004 4:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
Well said! By the by there's none of this in what church? - Original Message - From: Susan Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 11:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? When I signed up for Truth talk I was under the impression that we would

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Slade Henson
10.48To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?In a message dated 11/19/2004 4:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After careful thought, there is no question that I could have chozen a better term to describe Lance;s comment than to call it dog

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Hughes Jonathan
ubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'?Answer:The Incarnation It is well and wise to think of internal relations. Do not stop with the external. Indwel the Scriptures. Example of 'internal' thinking:Slade's post th

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Susan Petersen wrote: I am saddened by this. Instead of focussing on God's Word, there is arguing and tearing down. If we truly are the body of Christ, we need to start acting like it. Please stop the finger pointing. You did this. No, I didn't. or You meant this. No, I didn't. Let's focus on

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Susan Petersen
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 11:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? When I signed up for Truth talk I was under the impression that we would be talking about the Truth(God's Word). And we have done that a little. But lately my inbox has been filled

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'?Answer:The Incarnation It is well and wise to think o

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
Serious question: Why? I ask as I wouldn't think that. - Original Message - From: Susan Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 14:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? I know that a lot of churches have this symptom. But I would like to think

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
: Susan Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 15:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Maybe I should have used the word hope instead. And a lot of my thinking came from an assumption made from the title of this forum (TT). I assumed that people

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread David Miller
Jeff wrote: Much like the constitution of the USA, God's covenant has been amended several times. Do we in the USA have a new constitution today that has replace the original? Our Constitution was a new Constitution. We ditched England's, taking only those parts we liked. Nevertheless, yes, I

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-19 Thread David Miller
Thank you Suzy for taking time to consider Romans 7. Suzy wrote: There are two different laws talked about in Chapter 7. One is the law of sin and the other is the Torah. Good. I'm with you here. There is the law of God and then there is the law of sin residing within our members (our body).

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Susan Petersen
I am not against righteous anger. I am talking about the useless arguing that has been going back and forth. It does not further us toward our cause of getting closer to God. I am not talking about the defense of what people believe. Go for it defend your faith. Call a person a liar if they are a

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Slade Henson
f Of Slade HensonSent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 12.05To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? I think it's pretty deep in the roomsomebody take the dogs out for a walk TOO FUNNY..I'm rolling on the floor AGAIN!! Kay -Origin

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Slade Henson
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, 19 November, 2004 15.10To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? I would appreciate responses on this from bill, slade john. This is one (almost) fine

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Bill Taylor
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? jt: Hi Bill Taylor, it's good to see you are still around ... Lance writes: Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'? jt: Judy asks: What is the "theory of everything and why is it impo

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Hi Izzy, Hope this helps: Wikipedia defines the TOE as: A theory of everything (TOE

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 8:30:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: No, so far as I'm concerned it's not enough. People incorporate the scriptures into all kinds of things and take parts of God's Word out and make it fit their theology or doctrine. We need scripture to

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 9:12:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it's pretty deep in the roomsomebody take the dogs out for a walk TOO FUNNY..I'm rolling on the floor AGAIN!! Kay :-) J

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Jonathan Hughes
10:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Hi Izzy, Hope

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
19, 2004 10:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Hi Izzy, Hope

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
05:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? jt: Covenants are bilateral and Covenants can be broken. There have been more than one. God made Covenant with Noah, the sign being the rainbow. Obviously you have never done a scriptural study on the meaning of Covenant. May I safely

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-18 Thread Susan Petersen
Roman 7 starts with the word Or. So to me that means that you need to back up and get some contextual clues. I took the time to read Chp. 7 in three translations(NIV, NASB, and Complete Jewish). And I read the entire book of Romans. I couldn't stop reading (only in one tranlation). In chapter 6

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-18 Thread Susan Petersen
I think that sometimes it is those who do not speak so much that are the one's with more knowledge. Judy has given up on you (so to speak). I think maybe it's just a matter of asking you the right questions. Or even one question...Could you please explain your one word response? I hope that I

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Susan Petersen
And you said you didn't have a way with words. Suzy --- Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, From the beginning of God’s creation God wanted nothing more than a personal relationship with man. But, man chose not to have a relationship with God. During the rise of civilization,

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: There is but one covenant (Abrahamic). It is unilateral. It is given by God and brought to fulfilment by this same God. How? In and through the obedient/Incarnate/Israelite, Jesus (Immanuel-God with us) === Not

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
is better off adopting a wait and see mode instead of an attack mode. Your brother indeed "L"man - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 07:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Lance

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Suzy, meet Gary, the master of one word replies. MYTH being the predominant one. The fact that he wrote about 5 sentences this week is cause for celebration! I think he just may be coming out of his shell, but it is too soon to tell! Jeff Don't get your hopes up. What

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
There was and, you failed. Seriously though, I believe you may have approached the opportunity with a bias. Possible? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 09:41 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
No, Terry, stick to your guns! You have more sense that all of L-mans authors put together. J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

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