Re: [expert] Getting X Terminal to Work
On Thursday 27 March 2003 02:36 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 04:45, Randy Kramer wrote: On Thursday 27 March 2003 12:03 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Just curious here... what does start does it go straight into kde? Whether I have DESKTOP=KDE, DESKMANAGER=KDM, or both in the /etc/sysconfig/desktop file, the system goes directly into KDE. That was not the original configuration, but I've installed Mandrake 7.2, then 8.1, 8.2, and 9.0 maintaining the same home partition. In one of those installs I must have chosen a different option, or there is some crud in my home directory that made the change. (I did have something like that happen with Mozilla.) Anyway, I don't plan to pursue this any further. I've put kdm in rc.local so I can log in from an X terminal. If others have the same trouble, maybe there is a bug in kde -- maybe very few people ever try using Mandrake 9.0 as an application server. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Getting X Terminal to Work
I had some trouble getting a Mandrake 9.0 installation to act as an application server accessed from an X terminal. I finally got it working -- I found that kdm (or xdm or gdm) was not running (even though I was using kde locally (on that machine) just fine. I started kdm, and after a few false starts, was able to connect from a remote X terminal. (Prior to any of this, I had gotten a Knoppix installation to work as an application server, and had gone through the drill of commenting and uncommenting the appropriate lines in /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess, .../xdm-config, and /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc ([Xdmcp]=false to true).) Two questions: 1. Is this the intended behavior in Mandrake, or should this be logged as a bug? 2. Where is the most appropriate place (file) to add the kdm command so it restarts on every boot, etc.? Thanks! I am still subscribed to this mailing list, and will try to scan for a response (I'll try to find a watch this thread setting or similar), but with the high traffic on this list, I would appreciate an email cc. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Getting X Terminal to Work
Jack, Thanks for your response -- some followup interspersed below: On Wednesday 26 March 2003 11:40 am, Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 04:38, Randy Kramer wrote: I had some trouble getting a Mandrake 9.0 installation to act as an application server accessed from an X terminal. I finally got it working -- I found that kdm (or xdm or gdm) was not running (even though I was using kde locally (on that machine) just fine. I started kdm, and after a few false starts, was able to connect from a remote X terminal. (Prior to any of this, I had gotten a Knoppix installation to work as an application server, and had gone through the drill of commenting and uncommenting the appropriate lines in /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess, .../xdm-config, and /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc ([Xdmcp]=false to true).) Two questions: 1. Is this the intended behavior in Mandrake, or should this be logged as a bug? intended. 2. Where is the most appropriate place (file) to add the kdm command so it restarts on every boot, etc.? Use init level 5 -- edit /etc/inittab. Hmm, I'm thinking I miscommunicated -- Mandrake does start up in run level 5 (id:5:initdefault: in /etc/inittab) -- even so, and even though kde runs fine locally (in X), there is no display manager running (kdm, gdm, or xdm). When I do a ps -Al | grep dm, the only thing that comes up is a line for prefdm. This is what I was asking about -- Is this the intended behavior in Mandrake (9.0)? (In addition to the two possibilities I was thinking of when I first sent the email (that this was intended behavior, but unusual, or that this was a bug) there is a third possibility -- that I have somehow hosed my system so that no display manager runs.) As an aside, I didn't know kde could run without a display manager -- if someone can comment on that I'm sure I'll learn something. Or, maybe I'm misunderstanding you now -- maybe you're suggesting I edit the rc file for runlevel 5 (whatever its name is) and add kdm? regards, Randy Kramer Thanks! I am still subscribed to this mailing list, and will try to scan for a response (I'll try to find a watch this thread setting or similar), but with the high traffic on this list, I would appreciate an email cc. regards, Randy Kramer ___ ___ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Getting X Terminal to Work
Jack and On Wednesday 26 March 2003 03:58 pm, Jack Coates wrote: what's it say in /etc/sysconfig/desktop? It did say (only): DESKTOP=KDE In response to a suggestion from James Sparenberg, I added: DISPLAYMANAGER=KDM I've just rebooted, and KDM still fails to start. (As determined by ps -Al | grep dm.) http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/remote-x-cygwin Aside: This link did not work -- not sure if was intended to be on topic or not. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Observations: (1) Strange behavior of top, (2) Slow system due to kmail with no indication on top
On Monday 18 November 2002 12:10 pm, Franki wrote: check your bios power management settings.. turn them all off.. then try again.. Thanks, I'll try that next time I reboot (although I hope that's when I install Mandrake 9.1). (I do think I have all or most of that stuff turned off already.) Randy Kramer I had a similiar prob recently where a tiny cgi-script would take 100% CPU for 40 seconds.. with the bios APM off, it took about 3% for less then 2 seconds.. big difference.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Observations: (1) Strange behavior of top, (2) Slow system due to kmail with no indication on top
Sometimes I think it may be useful to someone to just post some observations. I had occasion to reboot Mandrake 9.0 three times lately: (Incidental observation: two occasions were intentional -- wanted to see if a reboot would restore my performance -- kmail seems to slow down the system more and more the longer it runs -- don't see anything suspicious on top (i.e., no excessive CPU usage, no excessive memory usage), but if I shut down kmail, the whole system is more responsive, system is still OK when I restart kmail, but over a few days, the system just gets slower and slower. Third reboot was due to a power failure longer than my UPS could ride out) Here is the main observation -- after two of those boots, top performed strangely -- once I started top, the first update of top showed low CPU state usage (like 0.3% user, 0.7% system). The next update of top (which I assume now counted top) showed state usage totalling 100% (or almost) between user and system, and similarly on each subsequent update. (I hadn't noticed that behavior with top before the first reboot, but sometimes I'm not ready to trust my memory of behaviors that I can't reconfirm.) Now, after the third reboot, behavior is back to what I expect -- low state usage except when I do something that makes it spike. Wierd! (Am I running Windows by mistake??) I'm not really / actively looking for a fix (at least for the top behavior) -- if somebody knows why this occurs and has a simple fix, I'd probably try it. I assume the kmail performance problem is something that will be fixed in future versions of kde (whatever the problem is). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
On Sunday 10 November 2002 07:25 pm, Jim Tarvid wrote: I must admit to cheating a bit, I bought an Orinoco for this purpose. Using MCC, I changed the SSID and set the device to channel 6 and connected to my AP instantly. If I had read enough, I am sure I would have screwed it up. Which is why we need a repository of things that work as well as a list of questionable installations and configurations. One reason for the existence of WikiLearn is to allow you (everybody, anybody) to create / contribute to such a repository. Why don't you try starting a page named something like OrinocoWirelessCard on WikiLearn -- go to: http:/twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/OrinocoWirelessCard Then click on create -- you will have to register and will have to know your name, makeup a WikiName and password, and specify your country. ;-) Type in whatever you think is useful. Formatting is easy and you may learn all you need by viewing the page, but it can be dealt with later, either by me, you, or somebody else -- the only thing I'd ask is that you separate paragraphs with a blank line. Feel free to come up with a better page name -- I haven't followed this thread and there was some guesswork in my suggestion. regards, Randy Kramer Jim Tarvid Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Hardware Database
On Monday 11 November 2002 11:20 pm, Felix Miata wrote: The motherboard I just installed 9.0 successfully on is not in the database. Is there a way for a mere mortal user to report such a case for database inclusion? I don't seem to find it on the web site. http://www.biostar.com.tw/products/mainboard/socket_370/m6vlq/ Felix, Don't know the answer to your question, but you might consider adding a page to WikiLearn about your motherboard and whatever notes / resources you feel might be helpful for the next person installing Mandrake 9.0 on that motherboard. Try creating a page named, perhaps: Mandrake90OnMotherboardNameVersion -- go to: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/WikilearnMandrake90OnMatsonic7308 (just to make up a motherboard name). Type in as many (or as few) notes as you think may be helpful for the next person. You will have to register (sorry) -- to do so you will need to know your name, make up a WikiName (FelixMiata?) and password, and specify your country. WikiLearn has a search feature and is indexed by seach engines like Google. Feel free to create a different page name -- maybe a more appropriate organization (page name) is (for example) MotherboardMatsonic7308 with sections for notes on Mandrake 9.0 (and other distros / versions) and links to pages for those notes if they become extensive. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] need help to configure X
On Thursday 31 October 2002 12:01 pm, Tim Werner wrote: Looks like this isn't really a mandrake problem, but X. Do you know of a good mailing list or newsgroup for getting help with my problem? There must be someone out there who has done this already. You might try: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] IIRC, you can subscribe by the typical [EMAIL PROTECTED] approach. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Writing blank CDs...
On Saturday 19 October 2002 05:35 am, Serge Hänni wrote: CD3 is the International-CD. There is all the translation stuff on it. Serge, Thanks! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Writing blank CDs...
Thanks to everybody who responded (Ron, Pierre, Kevin, Tom, ...). I should have mentioned that I do check the md5sum of the downloaded ISO and I make sure it is correct before burning -- it is just that I never get it to match after burning. Guess I'll try the DAO option in Windows, and (someday) try -nopad in Linux. Randy Kramer On Thursday 17 October 2002 03:18 pm, Ron Stodden wrote: ---snip--- The Acer 6206 may be a rebadged someone else's drive (look carefully all over it, inside and out). There are not that many original drive creators, the rest just rebadge. Could be, but I'd be a little surprised -- Acer is a big enough manufacturer in wherever they are that I'd expect they manufacture it themselves, possibly under various licenses from others. BTW, I'm very happy with it, and assume that, once I learn how to use it in Linux (tried a few times, a few distros back) that it will work for 700 MB disks in Linux like it does in Windows. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Writing blank CDs...
Pierre, Thanks for the response! On Thursday 17 October 2002 10:04 am, Pierre Fortin wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:22:09 -0400 Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought an Acer 6206 CD burner several years ago (the manufactured date As to any s/w that runs on M$, my web pages include the following: This is a Micro$oft-free site -- one Windows-induced heart attack in 1998 was enough! I hope you are speaking figuratively, but if not, hope you've recovered fully! This means there is NO way I will ever use M$ or applications that run only on M$; let alone help any of my family/friends -- I've converted several to Linux and they are quite happy now with Mandrake 8.2 and my support efforts have dwindled to a trickle... I'm making a gradual transition to Linux -- burning CDs, heavy duty word processing (Word 97 -- AbiWord is getting closer) and medium duty sketching (Visio 5) are still Microsoft tasks for me. I have a convinced a 59-year young friend who is getting a computer for the first time to learn the right way... Wonderful! her WalMart computer with LM8.2 installed has just shipped -- I was hoping to install LM9.0 and use that as the starting point... Good luck! My point is that when Mandrake chose to create 650MB ISOs, they put a lot of users in the lurch... For the price of blank CD (a cost each of us can easily eat), here are the impacts just from my perspective: - research, locate, possibly purchase new writer - delay keeping my new Linux converts happy - training new user on 8.2 unnecessarily - time lost researching feasability of re-organizing ISOs to write on 650MB media (optional) - consider waiting for 9.1 - consider finding an alternate distro (not likely -- dumped RH for poor desktop support in '99) Valid point -- hope Mandrake is listening! There are enough issues to overcome just winning and keeping new Linux converts without shoving sticks into their wheel-spokes... !!! Those are my thoughts on the issue -- sorry I was late to this discussion; but I had a marriage to attend... mine! Congratulations!!! I'd love to hear Mandrake's reasoning for releasing the ISOs in 728334336, 73358 and 478511104 sizes... I think I've heard the reasoning for similar decisions in the past -- IIRC, they want CD1 to be capable of a standalone installation (a reasonable working system without CD 2 or 3), and CD 3 is contrib (?? or something else a little different than the standard stuff) -- hope somebody can correct me (because I've probably got that garbled). regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Writing blank CDs...
I might have missed something in this thread, but here's a data point: I bought an Acer 6206 CD burner several years ago (the manufactured date on my drive is November, 1998). At the time, it came with Easy CD-Creator version 3.something and would only burn up to 650 MB CDs. Later, Easy CD-Creator version 3.5b (IIRC) came out and allowed that same drive to burn 700 MB CDs. If your drive was manufactured since around that time, I'd dig a little deeper -- maybe all you need is some sort of software upgrade or setting. Randy Kramer On Thursday 17 October 2002 01:10 am, Ron Stodden wrote: Pierre Fortin wrote: Last year, my telco lowered its DSL rates by $10/mo; all of those savings went into the Mandrake Club. This time, since it looks like I may have to shell out for a new writer*, whatever money is spent on it due to Mandrake's choice of ISO size will impact my Club level... * unfortunately, if the specs are still at 650MB, then any product is still a risky choice. CD technology has always been hard to keep up with. A new drive is probably only good for 6 months. And now we have obsolescence of record speed x 2, so what do we do with those earlier x2 CD-RW blanks we all have? My Plextor 40/12/40 won't write them (cdrecord changes a speed=2 request to speed=4) but my Sony 10/4/32 will. I will have to use the x2 blanks for giveaway software, since everyone with multiread capability (what happened to that organisation and logo?) should be able to read them. It's a difficult situation, but optical technology, while having enormous potential, is far from stable and mature - and we have another generstion of incompatibilities (ie more expense on drives) among optical devices ahead of us as DVDs and DVD writers emerge and CDs become entirely obsolete (very soon now, I think). So you have to kind-of wait - there is always something better around the corner. Prices have been dropping, but even so, the drive makers must be really raking in the dough. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Writing blank CDs...
On Wednesday 16 October 2002 05:37 pm, Ron Stodden wrote: cdrecord is tops, and very easy to use as root. Don't forget the dao argument if you want to be able to md5sum iso file /dev/cdrom, which IMHO is essential. There is no equivalent in Windows 98 SE - but some Windows burning software has a verify mode, which cdrecord does not have. Ahh, you may have answered something that's been puzzling me for a while -- I'll probably run a test to confirm it, but maybe you can confirm it now: Question: when you do the md5sum /dev/cdrom do you get the published md5sum? I never do, but if I burn multiple copies of a CD, I get the same results for each copy. But, I don't think I burn my CDs with the disk at once option (I burn audio CDs that way, but not data (and I burn in Windows using Easy CD-Creator -- I presume I can do DAO on a data CD with Easy CD)). (My CD burner is in a box that is temporarily not hooked up while I work on setting up some servers for a computer school I help with.) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root
Hmm, I just installed 9.0 a few days ago, on two machines, and each with a separate /root partition. Seemed to work fine. (In both cases, the /root partition is (1) a primary partition, and (2) physically before the / partition (i.e., /root has a lower hda number).) Am I misunderstanding the question, or ? Randy Kramer On Tuesday 08 October 2002 03:02 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: Norman Zhang wrote on Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 10:41:54AM -0700 : In 8.2 I can creat a /root partition on its own, but in 9.0 I can longer do that. When I try, I get a prompt telling me that /root should be with the root partition. Can I still create /root on its own? If not why not? Thanks. Heavily discussed on the Cooker mailing list. The answer is that the FHS doesn't require /root to be on the / partition, but it is recommended that it be. If the user chooses to override it, he can make it a symlink or a seperate mount. The 9.0 installer will not let you do it, but the 9.1 installer will. Blue skies... Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root
Thanks for the response! Randy Kramer On Thursday 10 October 2002 08:35 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, i had the same problem when i installed. wonder if putting /root in after / may be the culprit? never has been before, though. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] shareable mails kmail-evolution ?
On Tuesday 01 October 2002 03:00 am, hans privat wrote: hi, have to solve the reqirement, that the incoming mails have to be read in kmail on one box and in evolution in the other linux-box - and they have to be sorted in different mailboxes - if possible - automated. is this possible Yes. and if so, how can I do that. I'm writing some WikiLearn pages that would probably give you the necessary clues. Watch this page: In general there are two approaches: Designate one of your machines as an email server; receive, store (and sort) all mail there and let other mail clients access the mail via IMAP. The disadvantage in this case (against your stated requirements) is that the mail is sorted one way for all machines. Designate one of your machines as an email server, receive all mail there, but copy mail to the other machines. Let each machine store (and sort) email as they wish. And there would be hybrids of both of these approaches. hope this gives you a hint, do some reading, send some more questions Randy Kramer Thats my situation : internet-box -- mdk-box with evolution rh-box with kmail mdk-box with evolution thanks for your ideas, tips and hints bye hans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] shareable mails kmail-evolution ?
Oops, sorry, sent before adding link to page. Randy Kramer On Tuesday 01 October 2002 03:00 am, hans privat wrote: hi, have to solve the reqirement, that the incoming mails have to be read in kmail on one box and in evolution in the other linux-box - and they have to be sorted in different mailboxes - if possible - automated. is this possible Yes. and if so, how can I do that. I'm writing some WikiLearn pages that would probably give you the necessary clues. Watch this page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/EmailServerFinalSummary In general there are two approaches: Designate one of your machines as an email server; receive, store (and sort) all mail there and let other mail clients access the mail via IMAP. The disadvantage in this case (against your stated requirements) is that the mail is sorted one way for all machines. Designate one of your machines as an email server, receive all mail there, but copy mail to the other machines. Let each machine store (and sort) email as they wish. And there would be hybrids of both of these approaches. hope this gives you a hint, do some reading, send some more questions Randy Kramer Thats my situation : internet-box -- mdk-box with evolution rh-box with kmail mdk-box with evolution thanks for your ideas, tips and hints bye hans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] shareable mails kmail-evolution ?
On Tuesday 01 October 2002 11:17 am, HoytDuff wrote: On Tuesday 01 October 2002 10:24 am, Randy Kramer scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: Watch this page: Steatlh page, Randy? 8) Yup! ;-) (Note that the page is under construction -- needs a lot of work, and I lost some because of a recent Mozilla crash). http://www.twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/EmailServerFinalSummary Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Postfix configuration question??
I consider myself a newbie, but I did (finally) manage to get a mail server installed using postfix in a situation somewhat similar to yours. (I have a private LAN without a registered domain name and need to relay my mail to my ISP for (SMTP) delivery.) Try looking at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/EmailInterimUpdate#Notes in the paragraph on postfix -- it lists the three or four parameters I had to change (on Mandrake 7.2) to get a mail server working. (I have a lot more information on a postfix based email server on WikiLearn, but a lot of it is very disorganized at this point -- I am trying to straighten it out. The following pages may be somewhat helpful as well: * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/EmailServerSketches * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/EmailOverviewSketch Randy Kramer On Saturday 28 September 2002 02:16 pm, Dale Morris wrote: I need to configure Postfix so I can use mutt and slrn. Postfix seems pretty simple but I'm a little gunshy because the only other time I configured it, it worked fine but I ended having my root mail go directly to the administrator at mail provider. He got pretty upset after a while.. Here is my scenario: machine name: lymond.lvcm.com email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] user directory: /home/dlm smtp forwarding address: smtp.lvcm.com (I would prefer to send mail directly from my machine and not use lvcm.com) According to the way I understand the documentation, all I have to do is edit my /etc/postfix/alias file and change the file to reflect: root: postfix (change to) root: [EMAIL PROTECTED] then I need to postalias command to rehash the alias database.. Is that all or have I missed something? thanks dale Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] RE: Excluding lines starting with Csic but not Cs
I want a regular expression that will find every line (in the sample data below) that includes mail but does not start with Csic. (I'm doing this in the find dialog of Nedit 5.2 (which is the current version in Mandrake 8.2).) I've tried REs like the following: ^[^(Csic)].*mail ^[^Csic].*mail ^[^C][^s][^i][^c].*mail ... with variations in the capitalization and in the case sensitivity (but I suspect I should stay with not case sensitive while I'm finding an RE). The biggest problem is that all of these exclude the line CsMandrakeFreq72Email, but they should not. (I've seen various other anomalies that I may be able to explain for myself once I understand what I'm doing wrong here.) Can somebody put me on the right track? thanks, Randy Kramer sample data AvoidHTMLInEmailDiscussion 20 Aug 2001 - 14:36 - NEW RandyKramer This page reserved for discussion (pros and cons) of HTML in email. See about these pages . Main.RandyKramer 20 Aug 2001 AvoidHTMLinEmail 29 Aug 2002 - 21:33 - r1.8 RandyKramer HTML in email causes problems for some email clients or their users. Our purpose is to make people aware of the problems and request that they not use HTML in email ... CsMandrakeFreq72Email 30 Jul 2002 - 13:08 - r1.3 RandyKramer The results of some testing toward getting an email server working on Church100.home See AboutThesePages. Contents TOC Notes From Windows Hosts file I added the following ... CsicEMailAddressBookEntries 07 Aug 2002 - 01:59 - NEW ValHaring See AboutThesePages. ENDCOLOR BLUE E-MAIL ADDRESS BOOK ENTRIES ENDCOLOR Most e-mail programs have a feature called an ENDCOLOR RED e-mail address book ENDCOLOR . This ... CsicEMailAddressGroups 07 Aug 2002 - 02:23 - NEW ValHaring See AboutThesePages. ENDCOLOR BLUE E-MAIL ADDRESS GROUPS ENDCOLOR An ENDCOLOR RED e-mail address group ENDCOLOR is a list created by you containing several e-mail ... end sample data Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RE: Excluding lines starting with Csic but not Cs
Sean Moore sent me a solution (off list): ^(?!([Cc][Ss][Ii][Cc])).*mail (and ^(?!(Csic)).*mail works also, within Nedit). I'm actually trying to do the search in a TWiki, and apparently TWiki doesn't recognize the ?! syntax (or at least, it doesn't work). Anyway, thought I'd post this for the record. PS: The ?! syntax is described on the perlre man page as: A zero-width negative look-ahead assertion. For example /foo(?!bar)/ matches any occurrence of foo that isn't followed by bar. Note however that look-ahead and look-behind are NOT the same thing. You cannot use this for look-behind. And there is more that you should probably read if you plan to use this. Randy Kramer On Friday 27 September 2002 04:26 pm, Randy Kramer wrote: I want a regular expression that will find every line (in the sample data below) that includes mail but does not start with Csic. (I'm doing this in the find dialog of Nedit 5.2 (which is the current version in Mandrake 8.2).) I've tried REs like the following: ^[^(Csic)].*mail ^[^Csic].*mail ^[^C][^s][^i][^c].*mail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Ping: wrong data byte #0 error message
Background: In conjunction with running fetchmail every 10 minutes, I ping my ISP before running fetchmail. (My script is set up so that when I get 0% packet loss on a sequence of 4 pings, it runs fetchmail (and then sendmail -q to kick the queue).) Fairly often (several times a day?), I get one or more pings with an error message like: wrong data byte #0 should be 0x59 but was ... (see complete ping response, below:) Complete ping response: PING 206.245.176.211 (206.245.176.211): 56 octets data 64 octets from 206.245.176.211: icmp_seq=0 ttl=122 time=1099.4 ms wrong data byte #0 should be 0x59 but was 0x5858 ff 79 3d 79 6b a 0 8 9 a b c d e f 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1a 1b 1c 1d 1e 1f 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 2a 2b 2c 2d 2e 2f 64 octets from 206.245.176.211: icmp_seq=1 ttl=122 time=268.4 ms 64 octets from 206.245.176.211: icmp_seq=2 ttl=122 time=283.4 ms 64 octets from 206.245.176.211: icmp_seq=3 ttl=122 time=251.6 ms In the above case, the wrong data byte occurred for only one of the pings -- in other cases it occurs for 2, 3, or 4 (all of the) pings, but usually (always?) for the earliest pings rather than the last pings. Questions: What is this telling me and/or how does it occur? This box is on a coax LAN, so I suppose it could be seeing TCP/IP traffic not meant for it -- is that likely to be the problem, or noise, or ??? What can I do to fix it? (I can't easily convert the LAN to TP as I'd have to run new cable which I prefer not to do in the near future -- maybe in a few years.) I suppose I should run a sniffer on the network, but there really should not be a lot of traffic. Can anybody recommend a sniffer that comes with Mandrake 7.2 or 8.2 (i.e., so I can install from an rpm)? thanks, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Fwd: Ping: wrong data byte #0 error message
Background: In conjunction with running fetchmail every 10 minutes, I ping my ISP before running fetchmail. (My script is set up so that when I get 0% packet loss on a sequence of 4 pings, it runs fetchmail (and then sendmail -q to kick the queue).) Fairly often (several times a day?), I get one or more pings with an error message like: wrong data byte #0 should be 0x59 but was ... (see complete ping response, below:) Complete ping response: PING 206.245.176.211 (206.245.176.211): 56 octets data 64 octets from 206.245.176.211: icmp_seq=0 ttl=122 time=1099.4 ms wrong data byte #0 should be 0x59 but was 0x5858 ff 79 3d 79 6b a 0 8 9 a b c d e f 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1a 1b 1c 1d 1e 1f 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 2a 2b 2c 2d 2e 2f 64 octets from 206.245.176.211: icmp_seq=1 ttl=122 time=268.4 ms 64 octets from 206.245.176.211: icmp_seq=2 ttl=122 time=283.4 ms 64 octets from 206.245.176.211: icmp_seq=3 ttl=122 time=251.6 ms In the above case, the wrong data byte occurred for only one of the pings -- in other cases it occurs for 2, 3, or 4 (all of the) pings, but usually (always?) for the earliest pings rather than the last pings. Questions: What is this telling me and/or how does it occur? This box is on a coax LAN, so I suppose it could be seeing TCP/IP traffic not meant for it -- is that likely to be the problem, or noise, or ??? What can I do to fix it? (I can't easily convert the LAN to TP as I'd have to run new cable which I prefer not to do in the near future -- maybe in a few years.) I suppose I should run a sniffer on the network, but there really should not be a lot of traffic. Can anybody recommend a sniffer that comes with Mandrake 7.2 or 8.2 (i.e., so I can install from an rpm)? thanks, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Fwd: Re: [expert] Are group permissions necessary for other (all) permissions?
(Hope this is not a duplicate -- it appears that I originally sent it to myself -- oh, the hazards of experimenting with multiple mail clients. ;-) I guess I should have mentioned that joe and dummy are not in a common group. (joe is in a group called joe, dummy is in a group called dummy, and, these are not the real names). _And, I guess I haven't left dos behind -- I meant to type ls instead of dir._ Randy Kramer On Tuesday 27 August 2002 09:13 pm, you wrote: On Tuesday 27 August 2002 06:17 pm, you wrote: This is a little hard to follow ... perhaps an example? Do you mean drwx-- joeuser ourgroup group_directory Thanks for your response! I'll try an example: Two users: joe and dummy file /home/joe/mail/test.txt -rw-r--rw-1 joe joe 8224 Aug 27 20:50 test.txt dir /home drwxr-xr-x5 root root 120 Feb 6 1996 ./ dir /home/joe drwxr-xr-x 32 joe joe 2008 Aug 26 20:03 ./ dir /home/joe/mail drwx---r-x2 joe joe 496 Aug 27 20:48 ./ With the above situation, dummy could not access file /home/joe/mail/test.txt. After quite a bit of experimentation, I changed the permissions on dir /home/joe/mail to: drwxr-xr-x2 joe joe 496 Aug 27 20:48 ./ and finally, at this point, dummy could access test.txt. That's what I found surprising. Is it the expected behavior of Linux? A much better way of doing this would be to create a directory outside of any user's home directory, give that directory (and the files in it) a specific group name, and assign whoever you want as users to be members of that group. Then set permissions g+rwx to subdirectories, and g+rw to files in it. Well, I ran into a bunch of roadblocks in bending Procmail to my will. Sort of surprising for a system that supposedly allows you to shoot yourself in the foot if you want to. Best/most expedient resolution I came up with was to create a dummy user (dummy) and let him place mail directly into some of joe's mail folders. regards. Randy Kramer --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Are group permissions necessary for other (all) permissions?
I just ran into something that surprised me. I was trying to let one user have access to a file owned by another user (and in that other user's $HOME hierarchy). I did not want to change the group owner of the file in this case, so I tried giving the file (and all directories above it) the appropriate permissions for all (other) -- like o+rw for the file, and o+rx for all directories above the file. In this case, the parent directory of the file in question had a group owner but no permissions assigned. The user to whom I was trying to give access could not get access to the file until I went back and assigned some group permissions to the parent directory of the file -- specifically g+rx. Is that the expected behavior in LInux? thanks, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Bash scripts: Displaying output of command and testing in same line?
I'm a newbie trying to create a bash script. (I'm not sure whether this is a newbie level question or not.) I'd like to run a command (almost anything) in an if statement and direct it's normal output to standard out but also test that output using grep to use the result in the logic of the script. For example, the output of mailq is Mail queue is empty if the mail queue is empty, and a list of messages if there are any in the queue. In butchered pseudocode, I'd like to do something like this: * run mailq displaying output * if mailq was empty (tested like: mailq | grep -c empty) do something else do something else fi I could do something like run mailq and capture the output in a file or variable, then: * print the file or variable * test the file or variable Or, I could run the command twice, but I want to avoid that. I thought there might be an easier way (or a one liner type approach, which while it might be one line might be fairly difficult (for me) to understand ;-) I've started trying variations of the following, but I'm really just shooting in the dark: if mailq tee grep -c empty Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Detecting an Active Network Interface
I'm getting close on my email server (using fetchmail, postfix, procmail, ipopd (and maybe later imapd) -- in fact, if you see this it came from my Windows box via the Linux email server. ;-) But, I have some bugs to work out yet, and some questions: Questions: 1. Anybody know a good way to detect that a network link is active? Background: My connection to the Internet is via a dial up on another box (Dos, as a matter of fact.) I would like to set up a cron job (and script) to do something like the following: * Confirm the connection to my ISP is up (ping him, check for success?) * If no: wake it up (ping it), and after so many tries, quit and give a message somewhere (and if it wakes up, proceed to the if yes) * If yes: * Run fetchmail to get mail * Run sendmail -q to kick the queue and send any outgoing mail (I've set defer_transports=SMTP) The reason I want to make sure the link is up before I kick the queue is so that the exponential backoff doesn't go into effect and result in outgoing messages sitting in the server for long periods of time (or even getting failure to deliver bounces from my own server). Is that an unrealistic concern? Is there a better way to deal with it? Randy Kramer Aside: For a while, every time someone mentioned ifup it sounded like just what I needed. I now realize that it is a command (bring the interface up) rather than a test (if the interface is up, do ...) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Detecting an Active Network Interface
daRcmaTTeR wrote: What if you just did something like this. 1) ping ISP... a) if icmp echo request == 'yes' then do the mail thing else run ifup command kick mailque fi what-cha think? daRcmaTTeR, Thanks very much -- it's a good start if not more! I guess I'll find out for sure soon ;-) , but is that if icmp echo request == 'yes' pretty close to the right syntax? (I assume it's checking for success of the ping.) Hmm, I looked up man icmp and man echo -- looks like I'll have to dig a little deeper or do an experiment or two. (Just for the record, I don't need (and can't use) the ifup command (effectively) as the dial up modem is on another box (running under dos). The ping should kick the modem (except that, occasionally, the modem hangs up and locks up so it won't redial). I'll probably arrange the script to ping, check for success, on success kick the mailqueue, on failure wait, then retry the ping.) So (thinking on paper), something like: maxtries = 3 (??) count = 0 start: ping ISP (with parameters to limit to say 4 pings instead of continuous) count = count + 1 if icmp echo request == 'yes' then fetchmail sendmail -q else if count = maxtries (wow, do I forget valid syntax ;-) ) then wait 30 (??) (give the modem a chance to connect) goto start else issue Internet connection lost, could not restart message (somewhere) fi fi I'll need to brush up on bash syntax and so forth, and if I'm clever I might get rid of the goto. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Detecting an Active Network Interface
Mad Scientist wrote: The following will output a 1 to standard out if interface is up. I tested with eth0 but I assume it will work with ppp0 as well. ifconfig | grep interface -A 2 | grep -c UP Ahh, cool! And I can adopt that to check the results of a ping (which is what I really need to check), even though I said network interface. ;-) Thanks! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Detecting an Active Network Interface
kwan, Thanks! I've got several choices now ;-) Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a script that I use to check connectivity: #!/bin/bash STATUS=`ping -c 2 -q 11.22.33.44 2/dev/null` CODE=$? if [ $CODE -gt 0 ]; then echo Link is down. else echo Link is up. fi Replace the 11.22.33.44 with a host on the internet. I use the nameserver of the ISP but you can use any reliable address. This script segment is part of a larger one to reboot my DSL modem via X10, but you can modify it for dialup. There are also other ways of dialing on demand such as diald that may be more effective. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
D. R. Evans wrote: PS I am doubtless in a substantial minority of readers of this list, but the only machines to which I have access and which can write CDs all run only Windows and cannot write the larger discs. Well, perhaps the machines you are using can't write disks larger than 650 MB, but that is not a limitation of Windows. I use Easy Cd Creator (like version 3.5 b or c) on Win95 and can burn 700 MB no problem (which, as others on the thread have pointed out) can actually be 703 MB. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mozilla 0.9.8 MDI / SDI Question
I'm using Mozilla 0.9.8 on Mandrake 8.2 and generally like it quite well. I open a lot of what I hoped were separate instances. (I typically do this by pressing altF2 and then typing (or selecting) mozilla.) Then, in each separate instance, I open multiple tabs for related pages. PROBLEM: My problem is, twice I've had one window / instance of Mozilla crash, and each time it's closed all the open Mozilla windows. So, I guess I was not really getting separate instances of Mozilla, but they were all sharing one executable or some portion thereof. ASIDE: I typically have 14 to 20 separate instances open and maybe an average of 3 tabs in each -- but that varies from no tabs (only the one main window open) to sometimes 12 to 15. And, that gives you an idea of how frustrating it is when this happens -- possibly 40 windows with either reading or editing in some state of progress and they all disappear. (One reason I work this way is because I'm on a dial up -- I start loading a page, then do something else and come back to it later.) QUESTIONS: 1. Has anyone else experienced a similar problem? 2. Is there a way to start Mozilla to truly get separate instances, so that the crash of one window / instance will not cause the loss of all of them? 3. Has anything changed in the more up-to-date versions of Mozilla to make this less likely to happen? 4. Suggestions on a good Mozilla mailing list to ask this question and potentially subscribe, i.e., without too much traffic? 5. Other suggestions? Konqueror used to be my favorite browser, but 2.2.1 (with Mandrake 8.2) has a bug that makes editing a TWiki very difficult). Netscape below 6 is ugly, Netscape 6 plus and Galeon are based on Mozilla, so I suspect the same problem can exist for them. I don't like upgrading software, in general (as I'm still a Linux newbie) and with the problems I've heard about upgrading Mozilla I probably don't want to try unless I'm reasonably sure the problem has been solved. Just for the record, the konqueror problem is that if I try to edit a TWiki page, (1) the text wraps beyond the width of my window (800x600 resolution), so I have to horizontally scroll each line to read and edit it, and (2) there is no horizontal scroll bar, so I can't easily scroll but must use, for example, the Home and End keys. Thanks! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: Mozilla 0.9.8 MDI / SDI Question
Just thought I'd provide a little bit of extra information -- * I have 256 MB of RAM, less 2 MB used by my on board SiS 630/730 video card (and Linux knows about the missing 2 MB), I have 500 MB + of swap. * I typically run top in a virtual terminal (but don't always pay close attention to it) * On the first crash I might have run out of RAM / SWAP, because at least once the RAM was essentially all used and so was the swap (maybe 10 MB free swap) * On the recent crash, I think it is less likely that I ran out of RAM and SWAP as I have been trying to watch it more closely. Last time I looked I had on the order of 200 MB of SWAP free (and a negligible amount of RAM) -- after the crash I had 100 MB of RAM and 400 MB of SWAP free Randy Kramer Randy Kramer wrote: PROBLEM: My problem is, twice I've had one window / instance of Mozilla crash, and each time it's closed all the open Mozilla windows. So, I guess I was not really getting separate instances of Mozilla, but they were all sharing one executable or some portion thereof. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Some msec weirdness
David Guntner wrote: Although the syslog seems to indicate that it's dealing with user passwords. The other odd thing is that when I run it, the syslog reports that it's setting the umask for users to 18. 18?? And of course, when I open a shell window in my X console, I get a message from the shell, from umask, informing me that '18' is not an octal number between 000 and 777. Now, I very clearly see set_user_umask(022) in my level.local file. *How* is it coming up with 18? Well, 022 octal is 18 decimal, so that's a clue, but I can't tell you why it is being interpreted as an octal number, whether it should be or not, or how/where to fix it. Sorry! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Mozilla 0.9.8 MDI / SDI Question
Bill, Thanks! Haven't tried it yet (have to find some space) but the instruction are very clear and will make it easy. I've taken the liberty of putting the entire post on a WikiLearn page, see: * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/SwapFileTemporary See also: * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/QuotedEmailsLetter regards, Randy Kramer Bill Kenworthy wrote: Try using a temporary swapfile to increase swap and see if the problem goes away - if so your up for a re-partitioning. --other good stuff snipped-- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.2 Install errors
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recertify drives if I have any doubts. What do you mean by recertify -- is this some official test, or some testing that you do? Is if for CDs or HDs or both? PS: I assume if you disable DMA in the BIOS, then the drives do not use DMA and hence, access is slower? Or is there a DMA that is not set up in the BIOS? Thanks, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Western Digital WD1200AB harddisk - any problems?
g wrote: some search sites respect boolean in uppercase. Thanks, I'll try that. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ftpd question
James, I have taken the liberty of quoting this post on WikiLearn, at: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/preview/Wikilearn/ChrootJail Please see: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/QuotedEmailsLetter regards, Randy Kramer James wrote: In the past script kiddies have used some of the original capabilities of ftp to login, and take over computers. ie ftp up a program (root-kit, etc) then login to the ftp directory compile it and run it. When you chroot the program root gets set to the directory the user is in. As far as they are concerned there exists nothing higher on the directory tree than where they are This means that if they do manage to exploit something the damage they can do is limited to the jail that they are in. Other advantages include, but not limited to, 1. They can only use utilities that exist in that chroot jail ie ls ps etc are local and any changes made to them aren't going to affect the box as a whole. 2. Nib Nosers can't poke around your box and find your secret stash of Britney Spears photo's 3. breaking out of the jail is one more line of defense. These are but a few reasons why programs get chrooted. Chroot is also useful if you have rebooted without running lilo first. It allows you to boot from a rescue disk, mount the HDD and run lilo as if your root was the mount point instead of the real / Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Western Digital WD1200AB harddisk - any problems?
Todd Lyons wrote: Randy Kramer wrote on Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 08:49:18AM -0400 : found for 'wd and civileme and crc and ata100' whether the search term Drop the and. civileme wd crc Thanks, looks like it didn't make any difference in this case (looks like the search doesn't recognize and or or as combining words. In other words, the and is implied. So, dropping the saves some typing. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Western Digital WD1200AB harddisk - any problems?
civileme wrote: Well, there are two sets of archives to search, and my post(s) on WD are more likely to be on the older archives (prior to Jan 2002)... Thanks, you're right in this case -- found the post. But, try this: * go to, for example, http://www.mandrake.com/en/archives/newbie/2002-06/ * copy the title of one of the emails into the search box (with or without enclosing quotes) (I copied enlarge a linux partition, an email within the first 20 on that page.) * press enter to initiate a search * view the results I never get a hit on an email that I *know* is there. I would put a fewer terms in the search to begin with and then add more if I got too many responses. Always good advice, but I'd sure like to be able to search for a phrase that I know is there. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is disk fragmentation a must in windows and not in Linux
Roberto Armenteros wrote: This is just a curiosity. Windows computers need to be fragmented very often. On the other hand, I once read somewhere that disk fragmentation in linux wasnt recomended I am not how true this is. The fact is that disk fragmentation in linux is not often spoken about. Is there something special about the way linux handles the disk so it can have this privilege? I would appreciate anyinsight about this. Roberto, I've edited your first couple sentences to be more accurate: This is just a curiosity. Windows computers need to be *defragmented* very often. On the other hand, I once read somewhere that disk defragmentation in linux *is not required*. Fragmentation is a bad thing. Disks under Windows get fragmented, meaning that pieces of a single file get scattered in different places on the disk -- among other things it makes access slower. So, you must *defragment* Windows disks which tries to put the pieces (fragments) of a file all in one place, in the right order. For reasons I don't fully understand, Linux files systems typically don't get fragmented as easily, and hence don't need to be defragmented very often if ever. However, fragmentation does occur, and some Linux file systems (at least one of the journaled file systems) has a utility for defragementing it. BTW, the fragmentation in Windows occurs on FAT16 and FAT32 partitions. I don't know whether fragmentation occurs on NTFS4 or NTFS5 file systems. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
James wrote: Sorry it took so long to get back. I'm approaching stable.. I removed devfsd. However all it's really done is lengthen the time between reboots. The box can sit on but unused for about 10 hours or so before it starts loosing stability. Lose of stability comes in the form of programs won't start or die suddenly etc. Then when this starts to happen I know to reboot the box and I'm back to normal. Top shows no runaway programs CPU usage generally stays below 40% bit a mean average of about 20% (I really don't do anything that intense) Hmm, your load sounds fairly high to me -- when I'm not doing anything the load sits around 1 - 1.5% system and 0% user, and depending on what I'm doing the user load varies significantly -- anywhere from 1 to 100%. Just an observation, don't have any idea whether it is a meaningful difference or is related at all to your problem. I run Mandrake 8.2 on a 700 MHz Duron with 256 MB Ram. Still at kde 2.2, not running sound or any servers. Randy Kramer Swap never occurs on this box as I have 384 megs ram. Ran MemTest for 12 hours and memory checks fine. This same box ran 8.1 fine for about 4 months. The kernel I'm using now and before under 8.1 is a win4lin kernel. Hardware 1. ASUS TUSL-2 Motherboard. 2. 3c905c Nic 3. SBLive Sound 4. OnBoard Video 5. Maxtor 80gb HDD 6. 384 megs ram 7. floppy 8. ASUS CDRW Running XFree86 4.0.2 from the distro. KDE3 instead of KDE2.(texstar version) All updates are current. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Pureftp (was HACKED?)
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Of course, Randy...I'm honored that you would! Thanks! I'm planning on doing some other things real soon, such as rewriting the Net Broadcast piece to revise it in light of the very bright and intelligent help on this list, plus some omissions on my part. Great! Could I convince you to rewrite it directly in WikiLearn? You do have to register but it's not difficult or onerous. (It asks for your name, that you make up a wiki name and password, your home country, and your email address, IIRC. Your email address is displayed on the home page that you automatically get, but it is spam protected. Here is the link to the Net Broadcast page: * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/RecordingNetRadioBroadcasts And here's where to register: * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration If you have any difficulty formatting the text, just type it in plain text with a blank line between paragraphs -- I can go back and mark up some headings and bullets and so forth, and we can kick it back and forth until it satisfies you. PS: I'm sending this to the list as well so that other people get a sense of how easy it is to add stuff to a TWiki. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Restricting Resourse Usage
Michael Viron wrote: Pierre, You may also wish to take a look at http://www.findaschool.org/~mviron/faqs/ Not much yet, but will be added to shortly. Michael, Please feel free to create pages on WikiLearn for any similar information. See: * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/HowYouCanHelp * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/AboutThesePages We can also organize FAQs, like these: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/AbiWord http://www.abisource.com/twiki/bin/view/Abiword/AbiWordFAQ (this is not WikiLearn, but something I organized on a different TWiki -- it looks a little more finished than some of the stuff on WikiLearn) To create or edit pages you will have to register at: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Recording Net-Radio Broadcasts (Chpt 1)
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I'd be honored; thanks, Randy! Your welcome, thank you! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Here they come again...
daRcmaTTeR wrote: Good grief! they don't honestly believe that this is going to work, do they? Yes, I think they do! And it can. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to request packages?
Jan Lentfer wrote: Any help would be appreciated - maybe someone could just give me a hint on how to compile the sources. I don't think I noticed any other response -- this might help: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/CompilingInLinux Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Recording Net-Radio Broadcasts (Chpt 1)
dfox wrote: Randy Kramer wrote: Oops! http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/RecordingNetRadioBroadcasts glad to see my name up in there :) Anyway, I got to the page, and it actually works, although I used other sources for testing because the Dallas TX radio station was just silence when I tried it. Hope I'm not confusing anyone. Just to set the record straight, the WikiLearn page contains only a link to the post by Lyvim in the archives. Perhaps at some time in the future that will change. And, I'm confused, don't think I see dfox on the WikiLearn page -- should it be there? regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] question recompiling kernel
Jerry (and others), I've taken the liberty of copying portions of this post to a page on WikiLearn -- http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/CompilingTheKernel -- if you have comments, suggestions, or objections, please let me know, or, edit the page yourself, as it is a wiki. regards, Randy Kramer jerry wrote: steps taken: 1)take current kernel tree (/usr/srs/linux) rename it so it doesn't get overwritten. (changed to /usr/src/lin) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Recording Net-Radio Broadcasts (Chpt 1)
Lyvim: I've taken the liberty of starting a WikiLearn page to address this subject, and I've included links to these posts in the Mandrake archives. If you'd actually like to put the content of your posts on that WikiLearn page (or a few WikiLearn pages), please feel free to do so. If you have any comments, suggestions, or objections to what I've done, please let me know, or, edit the page yourself, as it is a wiki. regards, Randy Kramer Lyvim Xaphir wrote: This is what it takes to record broadcasts off the net in ogg format. Using Sox (which is the best sound util ever made) you can also record just about anything that your soundcard puts out; VERBATIM. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Recording Net-Radio Broadcasts (Chpt 1)
Hoyt wrote: On Tuesday 25 June 2002 11:21, Randy Kramer wrote: I've taken the liberty of starting a WikiLearn page URL? Oops! http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/RecordingNetRadioBroadcasts Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] pros and cons of mandrake
et wrote: the moving target that a (IMHO) good Linux Distro should be is one of the greatest problems with creating book documentation, I would guess. by the time the reasearch and writting and printing and distribution of the paper goes out, it would be time for the next distro, with a number of improvments that would render the old book about as good as a 1970 phone book for Miami. the stuff flat out changed. It has been my experiance that the best documentation I can find is either refered to on is in this mail list (and the newbie list for installation) and some of the least fricton of any help method. I'm hoping WikiLearn can help address this problem. It's not there yet, by any means, but take a look at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/AboutThesePages. You can help, in any of these ways: * If you have a question, try seeing if it's answered on WikiLearn -- try http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/search/Wikilearn, or just click on search from any WikiLearn page. (Or try a Google search with site:twiki.org or site:twiki.sourceforge.net in the search query.) * If it's not answered (or you don't think it's answered, after at least some attempt at a search), try creating a WikiLearn page with the question on it. Post to expert (newbie, or any other mail list), saying that you have a question about such and such and it's posted at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/name of WikiLearn page. Suggest that people answer the question on that page. * Register to edit WikiLearn at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration. * Subscribe to get a daily notification of page changes at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/WebNotify. * If you can answer a question, or help answer a question, edit the page with the question appropriately. * If you are experienced in Linux, Perl, cgi, html, and other good stuff, help me move WikiLearn to it's permanent location on SourceForge. Do a TWiki search on ToDo in page (topic) names, or help me set up utilities and procedures for things like backups and so forth. Notes: 1. Pages can be renamed, so if the initial name for a page is not intuitive / descriptive enough, the page name can be changed. Usually, it is a good idea to recreate the original page, delete all the boilerplate text, and put a note there saying Moved to name of new WikiLearn page. 2. WikiLearn is indexed on Google and similar web search engines. On Google, WikiLearn is indexed under two different domains, twiki.org and twiki.sourceforge.net. Last time I checked, the update cycle was 4 to 8 weeks, fortunately, sometimes the two domains are indexed at different times, thus (sort of) indexing the site twice as often. The content of this email has been moved to a WikiLearn page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/HowYouCanHelp. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] pros and cons of mandrake
I added a 3rd note to http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/HowYouCanHelp, as follows, to explicitly address the point of information becoming obsolete. The procedure is just one possibility, it is not cast in concrete. quote 3. As information goes out of date, and new information applies to new releases, I plan to preserve some old pages and implement a naming convention to identify old and new information. One possible scenario: A question answered about kde 3.0 might be answered on a page named ToastingRyeBreadWithKde. When kde 3.1 comes out, we might copy that entire page to a page named ToastingRyeBreadWithKde30, and add a note to the ToastingRyeBreadWithKde page saying that the information was developed for kde 3.0 and may need modification for 3.1. As time goes on, the page will (should) get modified appropriately. At the next release of kde, the process is repeated. /quote Randy Kramer Randy Kramer wrote: et wrote: the moving target that a (IMHO) good Linux Distro should be is one of the greatest problems with creating book documentation, I would guess. by the time the reasearch and writting and printing and distribution of the paper goes out, it would be time for the next distro, with a number of improvments that would render the old book about as good as a 1970 phone book for Miami. the stuff flat out changed. It has been my experiance that the best documentation I can find is either refered to on is in this mail list (and the newbie list for installation) and some of the least fricton of any help method. I'm hoping WikiLearn can help address this problem. It's not there yet, by any means, but take a look at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/AboutThesePages. You can help, in any of these ways: * If you have a question, try seeing if it's answered on WikiLearn -- try http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/search/Wikilearn, or just click on search from any WikiLearn page. (Or try a Google search with site:twiki.org or site:twiki.sourceforge.net in the search query.) * If it's not answered (or you don't think it's answered, after at least some attempt at a search), try creating a WikiLearn page with the question on it. Post to expert (newbie, or any other mail list), saying that you have a question about such and such and it's posted at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/name of WikiLearn page. Suggest that people answer the question on that page. * Register to edit WikiLearn at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration. * Subscribe to get a daily notification of page changes at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/WebNotify. * If you can answer a question, or help answer a question, edit the page with the question appropriately. * If you are experienced in Linux, Perl, cgi, html, and other good stuff, help me move WikiLearn to it's permanent location on SourceForge. Do a TWiki search on ToDo in page (topic) names, or help me set up utilities and procedures for things like backups and so forth. Notes: 1. Pages can be renamed, so if the initial name for a page is not intuitive / descriptive enough, the page name can be changed. Usually, it is a good idea to recreate the original page, delete all the boilerplate text, and put a note there saying Moved to name of new WikiLearn page. 2. WikiLearn is indexed on Google and similar web search engines. On Google, WikiLearn is indexed under two different domains, twiki.org and twiki.sourceforge.net. Last time I checked, the update cycle was 4 to 8 weeks, fortunately, sometimes the two domains are indexed at different times, thus (sort of) indexing the site twice as often. The content of this email has been moved to a WikiLearn page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/HowYouCanHelp. Randy Kramer --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Postfix and gnu_pop3d
daRcmaTTeR wrote: # # detecting the running process # proc=`ps r|grep process-name` # the apostrophe looking character is # NOT an apostrophe and is necessary # for the entire command with arguments # to be loaded into the variable Mark, Thanks for this -- I like your coding / commenting style! I know some of the experienced bashers might not, but it sure is helpful for a newbie. ;-) No doubt, this will find it's way to WikiLearn, maybe after you publish the entire script. Nah, I won't wait, I'll put it on a page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/BashCheckForARunningProcess -- we can change the name when/if someone thinks of something more appropriate. Feel free to use this WikiLearn page as your whiteboard for collaboration while you work out the rest of it. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Postfix and gnu_pop3d
daRcmaTTeR wrote: You know Randy...in light of our past conversations about WikiLearn I don't know why I didn't think of that to begin with. doh! sorry about that. No problem! That _is_ a wonderful idea though. I take that heads up and begin to post the information there. by the way...as an asside..sorry for the long absence. I've been busier then a long-tailed cat in a room full O rockin chairs lately and haven't had any time to spend on the WikiLearn project. No problem, we all get busy at times (or frustrated, or whatever ;-) a situation I intend to rectify shortly. :) Great! regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] again realtec 8139
James wrote: On or Off your choice. Might be better on, I agree, on! Someone might be able to correct my errors that way. Or learn from the discussion, which is one of the purposes of this list. Randy Kramer if you do lsmod | more you can read all the modules you have listed and see which one is/isn't being used. James On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:48:32 -0600 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority James wrote: Femme, One curious point. In Linux does your card grab the 3c90x driver or the 3c59x driver. Mine both use the 3c59x driver and can do 10/100 James Well..hm.. now you got me wondering! sheesh... would just a modprobe eth0 give me that info? Or... is there another command to do it? I'm trying to learn CLI stuff more more so I can rely less on the GUI in case I ever get stuck... I know I can use the Control centre...but thats not much of a learning experience! If I had to try to remember *i'm in windows ATM* I'd say it grabs the 3c90x driver. I'll take a look and get back to you...offlist or on. your choice luv :) Don't wanna bore others with my petty problems. -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] make a perfect mail server in a non perfect network
faisal gillani wrote: well i must say i was more then impress with mandrake 8.2 now i wana really make it work .. so for that i want a local mail server in my company which have an smtp server with a pop3 deomn running so that my outlook express users clients can send recieve e-mail with in the company network ..so can you tell me what what deamons to install ? also i wana configure this server with webmin or linuxconf as i am not that good with text file stuff .. i hope you get what i mean These are not exactly what you asked for, but I hope they might be helpful: * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/EmailSketchWorksheet * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/EmailServerSketches If you have comments about them, let me know. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] make a perfect mail server in a non perfect network
Tom Badran wrote: The packages you want i believe are called postix-* and pop3d-* I think you mean postfix-* regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: Testing a Modem / Telephone Line
Bill, Thanks for your response! Randy Kramer Bill Randle wrote: Have you noticed any difference the frequency of disconnects based on weather? E.g., is it any worse after it rains compared to an extended dry spell? No, but I'll start paying more attention to that. What about time of day? Is it any worse during the day compared to night time? Again, I'll have to pay more attention. Certainly there are times of the day when response is much slower, presumably because they are peak times -- everybody home from work or whatever. Do you use the same phone line for your regular voice phone conversations? No. If so, have you ever noticed any static, hum or other noise on the line? If so, you could get the phone co. to take a look at the line because your voice service is degraded. But occasionally I do notice noise on the voice line -- I think (as someone else suggested), I'll try switching them for a longer period of time, and spend some time listening on the line that is now the data line. If you don't use this line as your regular phone line, have you tried switching your data line and phone line to see if there's any difference. Check for data errors / disconnects on your regular line and listen for any audible problems on your data line. Will do. Some modems track the number of transmission errors they receive, or the number of re-trains they have to do (i.e. how many times did your modem loose sync with the ISP's modem and have to re-establish the connection). You could check your modem documentation and see if any of this information is available with S regisiter queries. I will look for such an s register (after I find the modem documentation ;-) ) I think there are some phone numbers you can dial and get a relative quality and/or connection speed number, but I don't know any specific numbers off hand. Those would be useful, if anybody else knows of some. I know that one of the modem manufacturers (US Robotics?) used to (and may still) offer a service something like that, but, AFAIK, it mainly was a test to say whether your line was adequate for the next step up (at the time) like maybe to 56 kbps -- I'll check out their site today. There's various telephony test equipment made for testing phone lines, measuring bandwidth, etc., but you don't really want to buy that stuff for a one off test. What you need is a buddy that works for a phone company or private installation company or test equipment manufacturer that can help you test your line. As you pointed out, the phone company is not obligated to provide you high speed data service on a regular voice phone line. [In this context high speed means 9600 baud or so.] I'll have to look for a Telco buddy! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: Testing a Modem / Telephone Line
Praedor, Thanks for the response! Praedor Tempus wrote: First, the obvious question...did your high disconnect problem start coincident with the new policy from your ISP? It's hard to tell. I'd say it this way: I started noticing more disconnects (or maybe just got more frustrated with the disconnects -- I'm not really sure which). Then I contacted the ISP, and they told me about this 4 hour / 12 hour policy. (I'll have to go look for this in writing again -- they promised to send it to me once -- they insist it was part of what I signed when I first signed up with them (about 8 years ago), but it was not -- it is something they added since. So now I associate the start of the high disconnect problem with my discovery of this policy. Though you pay for an unlimited connection, I could see the point of you being disconnected after X minutes of inactivity, so long as X isn't too short. IIRC, they always had a policy of disconnecting after X minutes of idle time (15?) -- this additional policy was probably in response to people like me who started checking for mail every 10 minutes. All the suggestions provided were solid...but none would work for me. I had a similar problem to you but it was obvious that it was a line problem, not an ISP problem. Our phoneline would produce lots of static quite often. We noticed it was worse for a period during and after a rain. The phone company came out and, of course the first time, heard no static at all. Second time, they came out and heard the static. They replaced our old outdoor junction box which coincided with the termination (for a few days at least) of static. Finally, the static returned as strong as it always had been before and they came out again and located the problem...the connection from our house into their main line, ground level. The twisted pairs were old and the insulation had worn off in a few places. They fixed this and the static (and slow modem connection speeds and disconnects) went away. I'll switch my voice and data lines and spend more time listening. This brings to mind another test to suggest whether you have a line problem or an ISP problem...how are your connection speeds? When I was having the line problems, my 57kbps modem would often be connecting at sub-20kbps (sometimes even 9700). Almost every time I check, my connection occurs at 33,400 IIRC. On very rare occasions I can remember some other speeds, but that's over the 8 years or so I've been using the ISP. Even when it made a reasonably fast connection, the actual performance was much poorer than the speed would otherwise suggest. Even though I might get a 33kbps connection on occassion, the actual data transfer rate would be MUCH slower. Do you see any of this? If not, then it is not likely a line problem. We often see file data transfer speeds way below 33 kbps (way below kBps or whatever that translates to) -- I've always attributed that to the Internet hops and, when I've looked closer, I've seen a reasonable (inverse) correlation between hops and transfer speeds, or sometimes attributed slowdowns to an overworked server. Do you have any suggestions on how to tell the difference between one of those causes and line problems? (I guess I could bounce a big file back and forth between me and my ISP -- I do have a 5 or 10 mB free web hosting site available. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] testing...
J. Craig Woods wrote: Is html turned off now? Never used kmail. Guess it is kinda cool for a gui kind of thing No HTML in this message! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] better web indexer than htdig?
Randy Kramer wrote: I hear good things about Namazu -- see http://www.namazu.org/doc/tutorial.html#can-not-do. See also the following page on TWiki, which has the results of some experiments done with Namazu (quite a ways down the page -- search for Namazu or RandyKramer): http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SearchEngineVsGrepSearch Here is a quote: For instance indexing MSO documents is slow: 70 minutes to index 1800 local documents totalling 370 mb on a dual PIV800MHz with 512mb ram. Note that, in the above case: 1. Namazu was indexing document on the local computer, not remotely over the web 2. I don't know whether the 70 minutes to index 370 mb of MSO(ffice) documents is slow or not -- Matt's point was that it indexes MSO documents slower than, for example, plain text files. And, is irrelevant anyway if you don't need to index MSO documents. If you do try Namazu, I'd be interested in your reaction. Write back to the list, or add your comments to http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/InternetSearchEngineResources. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: OT: Testing a Modem / Telephone Line
Thanks very much to everyone who has responded to this thread so far, and to anyone else that responds! In addition to trying to solve my problem, I plan to create a page on WikiLearn addressing the issue. I may quote some of your material or may just paraphrase and list you as a contributor. The page will be (tentatively) at: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/edit/Wikilearn/DiagnosingDialUpModemProblems Although you may see some activity on that page very soon, you can expect it to be in a high state of flux for at least the next few days. If you have any comments, suggestions, or objections, please let me know, or comment / make changes on the page, as it is a wiki (TWiki) page. Thanks again! Randy Kramer Randy Kramer wrote: do any of you have suggestions on how to test a modem / phone line? Please read the following before responding. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: Testing a Modem / Telephone Line
Bill, Thanks for your response! Bill Randle wrote: Have you noticed any difference the frequency of disconnects based on weather? E.g., is it any worse after it rains compared to an extended dry spell? No, but I'll start paying attention to that. What about time of day? Is it any worse during the day compared to night time? No, not really. There are times when things are slower, presumably because they are peak traffic times (everybody home from work or whatever). Do you use the same phone line for your regular voice phone conversations? No. If so, have you ever noticed any static, hum or other noise on the line? If so, you could get the phone co. to take a look at the line because your voice service is degraded. If you don't use this line as your regular phone line, have you tried switching your data line and phone line to see if there's any difference. Check for data errors / disconnects on your regular line and listen for any audible problems on your data line. Occasionally have noticed static on the voice line. Will switch the lines (again) for an extended period and see what happens. Some modems track the number of transmission errors they receive, or the number of re-trains they have to do (i.e. how many times did your modem loose sync with the ISP's modem and have to re-establish the connection). You could check your modem documentation and see if any of this information is available with S regisiter queries. I'll have to look for such an s register (after I find the modem documentation ;-). I think there are some phone numbers you can dial and get a relative quality and/or connection speed number, but I don't know any specific numbers off hand. I think that could be very helpful -- some modem manufacturers used to do something like that, but I think it was more to test a line to confirm it would work for whatever (at that time) was the next step up in modem speeds (56 kbps?). I'll check out the US Robotics site, because I think they were one that offered a test like that. There's various telephony test equipment made for testing phone lines, measuring bandwidth, etc., but you don't really want to buy that stuff for a one off test. What you need is a buddy that works for a phone company or private installation company or test equipment manufacturer that can help you test your line. As you pointed out, the phone company is not obligated to provide you high speed data service on a regular voice phone line. [In this context high speed means 9600 baud or so.] I'll have to look for a Telco buddy. PS: Hope this is not a duplicate -- Netscape locked up before sending this so I (rewrote and) resent it. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: Testing a Modem / Telephone Line
Pierre, Thanks for your response! Pierre Fortin wrote: - do you have call waiting or other intrusive-notification features? sure the telco didn't add some by mistake? No, or at least I don't pay for it -- but it is worth checking. Sometimes a few minutes after a disconnect we get a (voice) call on the data line. I've sometimes (mentally) accused somebody of calling the operator to disconnect us and then put the call through, but maybe there is something like call waiting installed. - if you're using kppp, turn on debugging... if the telco is initiating the disconnect, you will see a control packet (forgot the content) terminating the ppp session. Otherwise, add debug to /etc/ppp/options for the same reason. I'm not using kppp, but that is surprising -- I guess I thought they just electrically pressed the switchhook down. I probably don't have a good way to view those packets or maintain a lot of debug data since the gateway runs on a floppy disk -- but I might throw in an older (small hard disk) and try looking a little closer. - are you getting a ppp termination code? See EXIT STATUS section of 'man pppd'... 0, 15 or 16 are probably what you are seeing... 12 or 13 should be due to your end... Another reason to add a small hard disk and start saving more log data. Not sure if the dos software I'm using (iproute) provides similar termination codes. I guess long term, I should switch my internet gateway to Linux. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: Testing a Modem / Telephone Line
Ken, Thanks for your response! Ken Thompson wrote: Randy, my ISP does the exact same thing and here's my solution: A) If you have a dedicated dialup connection, put a ping command for 15 min intervals in cron. B) If you have a normal dialup you can open an account on ICQ and run the LICQ applet, it pings mirabilis.com every 3 to 5 min keeping your connection alive. This is what I have to do to keep from being disconnected after 1 to 15 min. I have Netscape set up to check for email every 10 minutes, which I would think would serve the same purpose, but I like the ping idea. (Maybe a ping would serve the purpose better somehow?) I guess I should clarify one thing -- IIRC, the ISP's policy doesn't require that I've been idle for any specified amount of time, and I don't know how they've implemented the policy. My understanding of the policy is that if they check my line any time 4 hours after I've connected they can decide that I've been hanging and have the right to disconnect me. (Maybe hanging implies the line has been idle??) A few times they've told me there is no automatic disconnect, but I just have this vague suspicion that they're not telling me everything. (And I can imagine some poor ways to implement an automatic disconnection, or creation / maintenance of a list of potential disconnectees presented to the sysadmin for use when traffic gets high. Darn, I'm way too cynical / suspicious.) BTW: I'd like to be able to give the ping command orally -- One ping, one ping only in my best Sean Connery voice. ;-) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] OT: Testing a Modem / Telephone Line
I know this is somewhat off topic, but do any of you have suggestions on how to test a modem / phone line? Please read the following before responding. My problem is that I get a lot of disconnects on my 33 kbps dial up line. Several months ago, my ISP adopted a new policy -- I won't try to repeat it exactly, but basically they reserve the right to disconnect me after 4 to 12 hours (even though I pay for an unlimited connection). I get a lot more disconnects than that might indicate, and some after short periods of time, like 1 to 60 minutes. The ISP insists they are not disconnecting me, the phone line / modem is the problem. I haven't really tackled the phone company very seriously yet, but I'm sure they will point out that their only obligation is to provide a voice grade line. Even if I insist that they test it (and possibly bill me!?!), if it tests out as adequate for voice communications, they will tell me to go pound sand. But, I really don't know where the problem lies -- I could have a substandard modem, I could have substandard lines, or the ISP could be intentionally disconnecting me before the 4 to 12 hours. (I say that because I don't recall nearly as many disconnections before they changed their policy and I gave them some static about it.) I'm looking for suggestions on how to tackle this. Anyone know of any sites that I can call using my modem and get some sort of report on the quality of my modem / telephone line? Other thoughts? Randy Kramer PS: I would consider switching to cable or DSL, but I'm beyond the 18,000 foot limit on distance from my central telephone exchange, and my cable company is only offering one way modems at this time (in my area), which means I'd still need the modem and phone line. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] better web indexer than htdig?
I hear good things about Namazu -- see http://www.namazu.org/doc/tutorial.html#can-not-do. Randy Kramer Vincent Danen wrote: Does anyone know if such a beast exists? Searching on freshmeat and only htdig came up. I have it running on a box that is running htdig against a bunch of mailing list archives and it takes about 16hrs every time to complete the entire run. There *has* to be something more efficient than ht://Dig out there. -- MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.4mdk uptime: 11 days 1 hour 50 minutes. --- Part 1.2 Type: application/pgp-signature Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ?how do I change a file name in linux cmd line?
Alastair Scott wrote: Perhaps there should be an 'Conceptual Differences between Windows and Linux HOWTO' ... ? (If anyone else thinks it should exist I might have a shot at writing it; there's nothing like a difficult challenge ... !) Of course it should exist! I've made a few feeble attempts or partial attempts at portions of such a thing, they are scattered around my public and private TWikis. The only relevant page that I could find quickly is http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxRulesOfThumb, and, unfortunately, it is rather trite. If you do a search on WikiLearn for Linux, you may recognize a few other pages that touch on the same concept -- conceptual differences between Windows and Linux, or phrased another way, helping Windows refugees to get up to speed on Linux -- in fact, that is one of the focuses of WikiLearn. Take a look at that page, try to ignore its triteness, and feel free to add to it (or start new pages) dealing with the conceptual differences you have in mind. I think that a wiki may be more suitable for this topic than a HOWTO, as we can create a wiki page for each conceptual difference, and another wiki page that lists them all (eventually), with a brief description or discussion, and refers to the individual page for more information. And the pages are inherently online, searchable, and indexed by search engines like Google. Just my $.02, and hoping to take advantage of anyone who might like to write something on WikiLearn. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kde3 upgrade?
daRcmaTTeR wrote: Any word on when the next release of KDE will be to deal with the bugs? I haven't seen anything lately and was wondering if there was any scuttle-butt going around. NEW STORY FOR THE DOT http://dot.kde.org/ KDE 3.0.1 Ships http://dot.kde.org/1022133733/ KDE 3.0.1 SHIPS Posted by Dre [pour at kde.org] Thursday May 23, 08:02AM from the it-keeps-gettin'-better dept. Following the remarkably successful launch of the KDE 3 series with a very stable KDE 3.0 last month [http://dot.kde.org/1017860068/], the KDE Project today announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.0.1. While primarily a translation release, it also squashes some bugs, including some minor security issues with KHTML. Check out the announcement [http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.0.1.html] and the fairly complete ChangeLog [http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelog3_0to3_0_1.html]. Binary packages are available from the stalwart KDE packagers at Compaq Tru64, Conectiva Linux, Mandrake Linux and SuSE Linux. As always, we hope you enjoy the latest and greatest KDE! ___ This message digest is from the dot-stories mailing list. Please visit http://lists.kde.com/lists/listinfo/dot-stories to manage your account, such as unsubscribing or setting digest mode. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Opening MS Word files with StareOffice 6
Oops, sorry, referred to 5.2 when I should have referred to 6.0 -- see below: Randy Kramer wrote: Phil wrote: When I attempt to open a Microsoft Word file the following error message is displayed, and then the application closes. An unrecoverable error has occurred This did not occur with StarOffice 5.2. Does anyone have any ideas, maybe a missing library file? Not me, but it might help if you could provide more information: * Does StarOffice 5.2 work otherwise -- can you start it, open the 6.0 -- ^^^ word processor, start a document there, save it, close StarOffice, reopen it and the document you saved? * Have you tried only one Word file, or more than one? What version of Microsoft Word is it from? I don't know if I'll be able to help you, but maybe someone can with the additional information you provide (and maybe ask you more questions ;-) ). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Opening MS Word files with StareOffice 6
Phil wrote: When I attempt to open a Microsoft Word file the following error message is displayed, and then the application closes. An unrecoverable error has occurred This did not occur with StarOffice 5.2. Does anyone have any ideas, maybe a missing library file? Not me, but it might help if you could provide more information: * Does StarOffice 5.2 work otherwise -- can you start it, open the word processor, start a document there, save it, close StarOffice, reopen it and the document you saved? * Have you tried only one Word file, or more than one? What version of Microsoft Word is it from? I don't know if I'll be able to help you, but maybe someone can with the additional information you provide (and maybe ask you more questions ;-) ). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A time problem with ps?...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps -auxw By the way, this is not a question of confusing START time with TIME running (see below again). Sorry, my output from ps -auxw looks different than yours. On my Mandrake 8.1 it has columns for a (start) date, and a (total run) time, but they are side by side so it is easy to be confused and believe they are a start date and time. Likewise on my Mandrake 7.2 installation. (Aside: I wonder why the difference? -- You seem to have a start *time* instead of date, and the (total run) time that I have.) Anyway, the output from your ps -auxw truly is confusing, and I can't offer an explanation (other than the possibilities others have mentioned, like a restart that you aren't aware of or something equally bizarre or unlikely). (1) Before I sent the initial message, I checked the archives on the newbie and expert lists and could not find any related item (mind you, it is not obvious to do a search with ps or startup as keywords...). I also read what I thought were the relevant manual pages (but maybe I missed some...). (2) I sent this message to the expert list, rather than the newbie, because I genuinely thought the answer was not obvious (I could of course be very wrong! I might add hopefully...). (3) Despite the fact I felt some guilt at starting this newbie versus expert thread, there is one thing that sticks to my mind: it is that people expressing their opinions on this list do it in a frank and polite way. In that respect, Randy Kramer's PS to my initial message deserves mention! Thanks for all of the above, and *thanks to all who provided comments* on the newbie vs. expert thread. I truly was trying to understand the thinking process of those who might post on one vs. the other, especially when the results were contrary to what I think I would have done. (Understanding your problem more correctly now, I think I would have posted it on the expert list.) And, as others have said (variously): * if it ain't broke, don't fix it * there is not a lot of noise (of this nature) on the expert or beginner's list, so an occasional newbie question on the expert list is not a big (or vice versa) * the more annoying problem is cross posts (that, AFAICT, don't happen that often either) * these lists are among the most useful and effective I've found, which is a credit to the people on the lists -- polite, tolerant, helpful, knowledgable, etc. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Tasks startup time with ps
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running LM 7.2, I noticed yesterday, while running ps to see what was the status of the system, that the jobs were listed with one startup time (the actual correct time at which I booted the machine) at some point and, running ps again a few hours later, the very same jobs were listed with a startup time some 2 hours later AND I HAD NOT SHUTDOWNED AND REBOOTED THE MACHINE. What were the names of some of the jobs? Some jobs are run in a special mode (IIUC, daemon mode?). They are often network / server type jobs. A supervisor task like inetd or xinetd watches the appropriate ports of your machine and, for example, starts a telnet daemon (or process) when it sees traffic on the appropriate port (which I can't recall immediately). I suspect other processes might be programmed to work in a similar fashion. I assume, but don't know that this would be one cause of the behavior you describe. Another could be, for example, if a job is started by cron, or if you are looking at a subprocess of another process -- the main process might run continuously but only occasionally invoke the sub-process. With the names of the jobs in question, someone might be able to be more specific. Randy Kramer BTW: No offense intended, but this strikes me as close to a newbie level question (unless the details that you haven't provided so far indicate otherwise). What made you post it on expert? Again, no offense, and I don't consider myself an expert, but I usually try to post my questions to what I think is the more appropriate list, and if that was newbie, escalate it to expert only if I don't get a satisfactory response on newbie. Seems to me that was the intent of having a newbie and an expert list, and probably helps to avoid traffic for experts that don't want to be bothered with newbie level questions. (There are very expert people who lurk on the newbie list and answer questions.) If I misunderstand the reason for the two lists, maybe one of the list veterans can provide a different insight? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] a few puzzling small questions
Robin wrote: Here are a few small puzzling things that my 8.2 box has been keeping me wondering. I edited /etc/ssh/sshd_config to disable root login and only allow selected user accounts to login with ssh. Everything works fine until I come back to it the next day. The config file is reversed to the one before I changed it, and I can ssh login with root again. One of my workstation for testing has 2 nic installed. I always use ifconfig eth0 down to disable one of them. The problem is that it seems some time after midnight, the downed nic would come back up by itself. I am really clueless on even where to start looking. One last question, anyone know how to keep a window without frame on top in Fluxbox? I am trying to keep Gkrellm on top of other windows. Big thanks to any suggestion, it's been keeping me up too long. This truly has to be classified as any suggestion, since you really are clueless ;-) (What I'm trying to say is, I don't have a clue either, just a suspicion.) Based on what I've gleaned from the mail lists, anytime something changes without any other explanation, I'd at least suspect msec -- are you running it? If so, do some reading. I have a (very) few notes on it here: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxMsec If you find other good stuff, feel free to edit the page and add to it. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Tasks startup time with ps
Serge Pineault wrote: It is not just some jobs, it is ALL of the jobs which are listed with a ps -auxw command and which were started at boot time. I would not worry if it were just a few jobs started by a service or whatever but it is the ENTIRE lot. This makes ps useless to track any suspicious tasks. [I have been hacked once and try to check things more regularly since...}. Thanks for your time, You're welcome, and I was going to say I probably can't help. But, I just ran ps -auxw, and I may see the problem. The display is somewhat misleading, but it does not show a start time for a task, it shows a start date, and something like the total amount of time a task has run. (Aside, I haven't gone to the man page to pin down more precisely what that time represents, and I think it is reset under some circumstance, but I don't know that either. (At least, that's what my display shows.) Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] New Mobo Roundup--Dr Tom
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: So you've got a mouse that communicates at 150 bytes/sec on a bus that has been RL evaluated at 5.7 Megabytes/sec; that's 38,000 times more bandwidth than the mouse requires. This is an invalid evaluation however, because I still don't know how fast you can type. ;) But, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that, for example, each byte requires a context switch in the processor, that requires, for example, putting 1000 bytes on the stack before processing each byte, and taking those 1000 bytes off the stack afterwards, etc., etc., etc. I'm not saying that's the case -- I don't know. It's just that I have been surprised sometimes at how slow things can be despite a fast processor, and finding out some of the reasons for the slowness. Enquiring minds want to know (more)! ;-) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] tar file size limit???
dfox wrote: I figure we won't be needing anything greater than that anytime soon :). Transporters and holodecks will require unimaginable file sizes. ;-) sorry, couldn't resist, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mailing List Recommendations
Kirtis Bakalarczyk wrote: I'm starting out with programming C/C++ in linux and i'm running into some problems... And yes, i know that this list isn't for programming related stuff but if someone could point me to a newbie linux programming list with a decent amount of traffic i'd be much ablidged. Kirt, Can't really help you with a mailing list -- I've been subscribed to some, but it's been a while. What areas are you having trouble with? Maybe you want to send me some of your questions off-list. I've started to learn C++ several times, and still plan to do it. I plan to keep a record of my learning experience on the web site I call WikiLearn. (Try http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn.) Maybe you'd be interested in collaborating with me on that? I have some C++ notes on my private off-line TWiki and some others in a .leo file (for Leo -- Literate Editor with Outlines, IIRC). One way (of many) too proceed is have you start a TWiki page for anything you don't understand. I (or others) would try to build an explanation on that page to help you understand. With my limited knowledge of C++, I'm not sure how helpful I'd be, but hopefully we'd gradually interest others. (And, even without others, I might answer some of your questions and you might answer some of my questions.) Again, write to me if you're interested -- do it on-list -- maybe we'll interest someone else. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mailing List Recommendations
Kirtis B wrote: Thanks for the offer though. You're welcome! A mailing list or newsgroup can be a great help. There are newsgroups, I just don't remember there names offhand. Feel free to change your mind about WikiLearn. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] The simplest possible email server
Brian Parish wrote: I'll check out those pages. No need to handle outgoing mail, so the approach you suggest would seem appropriate. I'll keep you posted on progress. Great! Now that I think about it, maybe one reason I've procrastinated with respect to modifying the sketches on the second page is because the first sketch does not (explicitly) incorporate a virus checker (like spamassassin or whatever). I'll watch this thread and for comments by you which might help me determine how / where to show that on the first page. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Restricting Resourse Usage
Pierre Fortin wrote: Can't really object while using this on my own web pages: Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.1 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, with no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. :^) Good, thanks! I gotta find time to read through your pages... you have quite a list of topics there... I'd like to have you do that, but register to edit first ;-) -- there are a lot of pages that need fixing up (some far more than others). regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Restricting Resourse Usage
PS: I should have mentioned that registering to edit is simple -- IIRC, if you click on edit at the bottom of the page, you are led to the registration page if you are not already registered. (Perhaps after three tries). Randy Kramer Randy Kramer wrote: I'd like to have you do that, but register to edit first ;-) -- there are a lot of pages that need fixing up (some far more than others). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] The simplest possible email server
Brian Parish wrote: Advice please. I would like to set up a LM8.2 box to grab the email for a numbers of accounts at one ISP, check them for viruses, then store them in appropriate mailboxes, ready for a number of W$ clients to access using the M$ patented virus propagator. The LM box therefore needs to become a pop server. This can be a no frills solution, as long as it works and is reliable. What's the simplest formula to achieve this? What path do you want outgoing mail to follow? Can each Windows email client send mail directly back to the ISP via smtp, or is there a reason to route the outgoing mail through the same server that handles the incoming mail? If the server doesn't need to handle outgoing mail, you can use a combination of fetchmail, procmail, and imapd to handle the incoming mail -- set up fetchmail to grab the mail from the ISP and hand it off to procmail, let procmail do the filtering (and hand it off to a virus checker -- I'm not too clear on this step), then let procmail distribute it to individual user's mail boxes on the server. Set up a pop server using imapd to let users access the mail in their mail boxes via pop3. If the server does need to handle outgoing mail, you probably need a full blown email server. I have been trying (sporadically and half-heartedly) to set this up for myself. I've developed some sketches (see the following links) to help me (and then others) understand more about how email is handled in Linux. See: * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/EmailSketchWorksheet (accurate AFAICT) * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/EmailServerSketches (possibly less accurate, and I intend to modify these to match the style of the previous sketch) One of the sketches on the second page shows the fetchmail, procmail, imap approach. None of them show a virus checker. I would be interested in hearing how you make out, and in any suggestions / corrections you have for the sketches as you work on your server. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Restricting Resourse Usage
Pierre,
I have quoted this email on this webpage --
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LimitingBandwidthUsage.
If you have any comments, suggestions, or concerns, please let me know.
At some point in the future I would expect to revise the page, put most
of your thoughts into my own words, delete the quote, and add your name
as a contributor.
regards,
Randy Kramer
Pierre Fortin wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 04:53:06 -0400 Brian York [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Is their a way to restrict the amount of network and other resource
usage that a user on a remote computer can use?
Several:
1. http://www.chronox.de/ Uses kernel features
2. http://snad.ncsl.nist.gov/itg/nistnet/ This can be run on a separate
box, or on and end-node and setup to restrict traffic. It's intended to
test the impact of network restrictions and degradations; but should work
to emulate a 200kbps link.
3. Use Python's SocketServer.Forking{TCP,UDP}Server modules and insert a
delay between in/out (semi-kidding... hopefully, you didn't need to read
this far... :^)
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Re: Sleuthing [Re: [expert] Looking for the Spoofer (was Reading Email headers)]
Just a vote to keeping the discussion on-line -- I'd like to try to follow it. Randy Kramer Pierre Fortin wrote: This is an interesting thread that can be educational for anyone that wishes to follow... it is a bit off-topic and we can take it offline if it bothers anyone... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] OT (a little): Vet my Email Server Drawing
I've spent some time creating several drawings showing how an email server is set up in Linux. (I've done this with the help of some reading and a friend.) I'd like someone to look over this drawing and let me know of any technical errors or omissions: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/EmailSketchWorksheet Once I know there are no technical errors I will be working on rearranging it somewhat. Thanks, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mobile Postfix Accounts
nDiScReEt wrote: Anyone know how to configure postfix or provide a link on how to setup postfix so that my users can check their mail from within the internal network and abroad on the road? There is probably more than one way to do it. For the ways I'm thinking of, your local email server must be visible on the Internet. Then install a pop3 or imap daemon on your local email server and let your users connect and get their mail that way. (Actually, imap is probably the best choice, as your email queues are maintained on the server.) Or, use your ISP's email server / imap daemon and leave the mail on his server -- it will be accessible from anywhere on the Internet just like mail on your (Internet visible) server would be. Sorry I don't have immediately have any links. You might want to look at this unfinished page (with possibly some mistakes): http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/EmailServerSketches Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] OT: Can someone test a tab problem for me with konqueror 2.2.2 or 3.0?
I've discovered a problem with konqueror 2.2.1. I will report it to kde if it has not already been solved in 2.2.2 or 3.0, and I'm wondering if someone here who has 2.2.2 or 3.0 installed could test this and let me know. This will probably be easier for someone who is already familiar with editing on the c2 wiki or twiki. Description of the bug: When editing in a textarea (like a wiki (TWiki)), konqueror can accept a tab as input and display it properly. However, after the textarea is saved and reopened for editing, the tab is now displayed as a single space (which causes a multitude of problems if the textarea is saved again). I have found the problem with konqueror 2.2.1 and confirmed it occurs on twiki and the c2 wiki (links below). There is some chance it is a problem specific to these sites, but I don't really believe that. I'd like to have the testing done on one of those two sites. If you want to test elsewhere it could provide interesting results (especially if the results are different). c2 wiki (you don't have to register to edit): * a place to test: http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?TabSandbox * a page with more explanation of the problem (at the bottom -- rather rambling): http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?ConvertSpacesToTabs twiki: (it is preferred that you register to edit): * a place to test: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Test/TabSandbox Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] recovering files after formatting
Ronald J. Hall wrote: Hmm, somebody correct me if I'm wrong but if you really want to protect that deleted file, then you must unmount that drive, or there is a chance some other background app/daemon may use the space in question...isn't that right? Sounds like a good point to me! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A little vi help
Michael Holt wrote: I do have another question; I've read books that say they've were written using vi and I started wondering if you could actually apply fonts and control size of fonts as well as italics, bold, etc. Is that possible? Does vi have something built in that will allow you to format a document? AFAIK (and like J. Craig Woods said) there is nothing built into vi to let you do those kind of things. I can imagine that someone who writes a book in vi uses one of two approaches (or a combination of the two): * Use vi to write the book in plain ASCII text, then move the plain ASCII text to another application to apply fancy formatting. (I often found this a useful approach even in a word processor, at least until I learned to use styles effectively. Content is the most important thing, after you get the content right, then do the formatting, hopefully to enhance the meaning and readability of the document.) * Use vi to write the book in plain ASCII but add tags (manually or semi-automatically using macros or whatever) to support a markup language like DocBook, LinuxDoc, HTML, LaTeX, or whatever. You know the tags I mean, things like: There are ways to run arbitrary Linux or other commands on a (remote) web server from your browser by: ul li creating a cgi script with the desired commands /li li using a tool like CGI-Telnet /li /ul To me, this is not a fun approach. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] local fat 32 partition help ...
Barran, Richard wrote: PS Is there a webpage somewhere with '100 most common questions on a Mandrake mail list' all neatly catalogued and answered? :-) There are good Linux sites around -- you might find some listed on http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxResources. The real reason I wrote though is to say that I'd like http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn to become such a site (with other useful things as well). Anybody can help as it is a wiki. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] recovering files after formatting
J. Craig Woods wrote: How will knowing the filesystem help? You say the partition is still there, and untouched. Well, my friend, if you have re-formatted the drive, it is not *untouched*. As a matter of fact, it is touched in a big way. Your data is gone, gone, gone. Now if you only deleted the partition by removing boundaries, there is help. It is complicated but you can recover data. Interesting subject that I'd like to learn more about. My impression is that Linux does something by default more like what is called a quick format in dos / Windows. IIUC, such a format doesn't zero out all the data, but does something different which, I believe leaves the data intact on the disk, but not easily readable. Maybe there is a way to recover the data? There are ways to recover deleted files in Linux, especially if they are text files. IIUC, it is not fun -- you basically read the disk raw and then try to reassemble the files from clusters or whatever. The original poster did do a good thing (I think) if he tried to avoid using the system after he formatted the drive -- the most important thing in recovering files in dos / Windows is to stop saving files until you can run a file recovery program, as any new file might overwrite some portion of the deleted file. I know I'm mixing deleted file and formatted partition and probably confusing the issue -- may someone can clarify some of these points? Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] local fat 32 partition help ...
PS: I've now made a quick draft of a page for this question -- see: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/AllowingAccessToFat32Partitions I've created a WikiWord tag (LinuxTop100FAQs) that can be used for searching. TWiki (which is the software WikiLearn uses) has a built in search engine (somewhat primitive in some ways) and is also indexed by things like Google (although it seems to be on a 4 to 6 week indexing cycle, last time I checked). If you have suggestions for improvements, please make them, as it is a wiki, or write to the list. Randy Kramer Randy Kramer wrote: Barran, Richard wrote: PS Is there a webpage somewhere with '100 most common questions on a Mandrake mail list' all neatly catalogued and answered? :-) There are good Linux sites around -- you might find some listed on http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxResources. The real reason I wrote though is to say that I'd like http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn to become such a site (with other useful things as well). Anybody can help as it is a wiki. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A little vi help
J. Craig Woods wrote: Because we have had a few threads about the CLI, and because remote file editing with vi is such an efficient method, I thought I would share a little document that I found, and converted to html. You can view it at http://www.trismegistus.net/vi_cheatsheets.htm Dr. John, Thanks, looks good! I've linked to it from a WikiLearn page (http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/Vi). Question (for anyone): How do you get in and out of recording mode? I searched your document for record and found nothing. Just yesterday I jumped into vi (or maybe it was vim?) to do a quick edit and accidentally got into recording mode (I presume to record a macro). Took me quite a while to get out by almost randomly pressing keys. Not sure how I finally accomplished it. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A little vi help
Tim Cruikshank wrote: On Saturday 06 April 2002 10:41, you wrote: How do you get in and out of recording mode? I searched your document for record and found nothing. Just yesterday I jumped into vi (or maybe it was vim?) to do a quick edit and accidentally got into recording mode (I presume to record a macro). Took me quite a while to get out by almost randomly pressing keys. Not sure how I finally accomplished it. Press esc Thanks, but IIRC, that didn't work for me (that was one of the things that I know I tried). Sometimes when I was in recording *and* insert mode, one or more escs got me back to recording mode only, but did not cancel recording mode. Guess I'll have to try it again next time, except I hope there is no next time. ;-) regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A little vi help
Mike,
Thanks!
Randy Kramer
mike wrote:
According to http://www.vim.org/html/repeat.html#q
q{0-9a-zA-Z} Record typed characters into register {0-9a-zA-Z}
(uppercase to append). The 'q' command is disabled
while executing a register, and it doesn't work inside
a mapping. {Vi: no recording}
--snip--
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Re: [expert] A little vi help
J. Craig Woods, I presume you saw the response from Mike. Also, I guess I was in vim and not vi. Randy Kramer J. Craig Woods wrote: OK, I'll bite. I can always learn something new, and enjoy it. What is recording mode in vi? I know you don't mean insert mode, and I don't think you are talking about the commands for copy and pasting. So do help me out, and let me know what I am missing. It is probably some function I should know.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Which is better choice ext3 or reiserfs for the filesystem
Attn: Civeleme and J. Craig Woods (and others): I've started this page to accumulate information about filesystems, including some sort of comparative rating of journaling filesystems: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxFilesystems It is intended to be more or less a summary rather than getting into all the details, although if I begin to collect details I can add them (or you can add them, as it is a wiki), maybe on sub pages dedicated to each particular file system. Currrently the comparative rating is something I call the C.Rating (for civileme), and it is a rating I applied to the journaling filesystems without looking up civileme's old post(s). Civileme -- if you have time please look over the page and give me any comments you may have (or objections to using your name, or whatever). J. Craig Woods -- (is there a short form of your name that you use?) -- I'm not sure if I know what you mean by the attribs -- I assume you mean the -rwxrwxrwx permissions on a typical Linux file. Does this also include the concepts of owner and group? (i.e., reiser does not support those?) Maybe you meant the more dos like attributes, like hidden, read-only, archive, and hidden? (I get the impression some Linux filesystems include those attributes.) Everybody else -- additions and judicious editing are solicited. You will have to register at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration by providing your name, email address (which is spam proofed on twiki.org), and your home country -- a very onerous set of requirements ;-) regards, Randy Kramer J. Craig Woods wrote: Like so many different variations on your machine, filesytems should be made with reference to as many criteria as possible. Yes, speed is good but what if you go for speed and lose some function you might need? As a SA there are times I need to set file attributes. You know, a file gets deleted that should not have been deleted, etc. With file attribs, I have saved by butt many times. Ext3 will let me set file attributes, and reiserfs does not support them. My choice is not choice: I must go with ext2 or ext3. The bottom line is make choices based on what you need... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
