I will probably get yelled at for this one but...
I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE.
So up front I am not against certs.
I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming
Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually
do the work. Our company has and is interviewin
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Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:40 AM
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>Has anyone noticed that people arguing the most that certs dont matter are
>the ones that haven't 'bothered' to get them.
>
>I k
4 AM
Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
>I will probably get yelled at for this one but...
>
>I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE.
>So up front I am not against certs.
>
>I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming
>Cisco certified and not know enoug
Hi Mike;
I find your comment very interesting, most positions state how
many years of experience before applying. The only exceptions
that I have seen with certification positions, is in the programing field.
It's not the certification being a problem - it's the resources for
people to obtain exp
> I have
> had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who
> could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know.
Maybe it's just me, but comments like this have always bothered me,
regardless of whatever cert program we're talking about.
This might come off as a little stronger than I intend
-groups,
NAT, and route maps... heheheheh...
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From: Mike Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:51 PM
Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> I will probably get yelled at for this one but...
>
> I a
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> I will probably get yelled at for this one but...
>
> I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE.
> So up front I am not against certs.
>
> I am becoming awar
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> EA Louie
> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 6:41 AM
> To: Mike Davis; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
>
>
> some of the certs are like getting a "paper diploma" (which is what I
got...
>
sible, but I wouldn't go that far) to obtain a
> CCIE with no working experience.
>
> -e-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Dar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: EA Louie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 6:52 PM
> Subject: RE: Cisco
e money" if I pressed him).
>
> The havoc I could wreak on these guys with policy routing, access-groups,
> NAT, and route maps... heheheheh...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Mike Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent:
you want to be a network engineer?", his reason was pretty weak (but I'd
> guess he'd have said "the money" if I pressed him).
>
> The havoc I could wreak on these guys with policy routing, access-groups,
> NAT, and route maps... heheheheh...
>
> - Original Message
ways your skill, dedication,
> perseverance, knowledge, attitude, etc., etc. that get you ahead, not the
> perceived value of your certification.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> S
use he wanted to be a network engineer and
> > learn how to read/interpret Cisco configurations. When I asked him "Why do
> > you want to be a network engineer?", his reason was pretty weak (but I'd
> > guess he'd have said "the money" if I press
et
> > Cisco certified?". He said, because he wanted to be a network engineer
> and
> > learn how to read/interpret Cisco configurations. When I asked him "Why
> do
> > you want to be a network engineer?", his reason was pretty weak (but I'
ubject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> Hi all,
>
> I am really getting fed up with this discussion of paper certification. I
read one mail
> saying that while interviewing some one, the candidate said that he
wanted to become a
> network engineer for better pay. Is the this g
passed the lab before you do.
And
> maybe you will come here complaining that Cisco made the lab so easy.
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 2:54 AM
> Subjec
I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have noticed
a recent influx in people attempting and passing CCNP
and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of
hundreds of people on this board ...
Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this means
nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of w
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I
> know at least th
I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I
know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network
their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that
you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a
guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that
have failed the lab but can kick most
This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point of view.
I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA, NP, DA, DP and IE written
are not worth then your Bachelors and Graduate studies worth the same. Just
papers.
I learn to configure a cisco router before knowing all the cisco stuff.
I have
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> I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have noticed
> a recent influx in people attempting and passing CCNP
> and
Well said!
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Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:01 AM
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Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CC
I believe that there are two distinctions that should
be made - and that you may disagree with. At least for
the bachelors degree, the experience is just that -
well beyond the actual academics. In addition, the
focus of the GE portion of the program is to diversify
- humanities, science, language
Bravo!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:22 PM
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Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
This issue is turning
ly complete the task, you then get to leave
while
> > > someone "breaks your network in any untold number of ways" you are
then
> > > told to fix it once again in a very limited time frame.
> > >
> > > If you can accomplish this, then you become a C
9, 2001 4:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
>
> This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point of view.
>
> I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA,
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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:08 PM
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Hi,
My two bobs worth,
Any qualification is as good as the paper it is written on. In my
experience someone wi
iewed at:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html
Louie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Brad Shifflett
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper
Circusnuts wrote:
>
[snip]
> is about to be let go. We call him Mr. Debug, the RSP melter (long story).
Jeesh!
How'd he melt the RSP?
Thats gotta be a story worth tellin'!
;~)
_
FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.
From: Louie Belt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:57 PM
To: Brad Shifflett; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
Actually, you are way too high on your estimate of CCIE's. As of February
28th 2001 there are 5432 worldwide, 2476 are in the US
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>Has anyone noticed that people arguing the most that certs dont matter are
>the ones that haven't 'bothered' to get t
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Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:17 AM
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I disagree with the assesment of the CCNA being a hard test. I would say it
was much easier than any university exam I took with the possible
B J wrote:
>
> The CCNA is far harder than any test one will encounter with a major in
> Education, Anthropology, History, Business Management, etc. Do you really
> think the dumbest CCNA isn't more knowledgable in many areas, one being
> math, than your daughters first grade teacher?
Why do
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
The CCNA is far harder than any test one will encounter with a major in
Education, Anthropology, History, Business Management, etc. Do you really
think the dumbest CCNA isn't more knowledgable in many areas, one being
LOL.
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Drew Simonis
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:05 PM
To: B J
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
B J wrote:
>
> The CCNA is far harder than any test one will enc
Once again, it totally depends on the subject matter being studied.
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Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:11 PM
To: 'B J'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming
>B J wrote:
>>
>>The CCNA is far harder than any test one will encounter with a major in
>> Education, Anthropology, History, Business Management, etc. Do you really
>> think the dumbest CCNA isn't more knowledgable in many areas, one being
>> math, than your daughters first grade teacher
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Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 3:41 AM
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> Hi all,
>
> I am really getting fed up with this discussion of paper certification. I
read one mail
> saying that while interviewing so
x27;m doing. If your conscientious, do good
> work, & don't fall asleep @ the wheel as to where you should be working or
> what technology you should know- you'll always beat the TCP Magazine
salary
> $$$.
>
> Phil
>
> - Original Message -
> From
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> Hi,
>
> My two bobs worth,
>
> Any q
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 2:54 AM
> Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
>
>
> >I will probably get yelled at for this one but...
> >
> >I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going
mystery anymore.
> More
> > and more people will try to learn it. More and more people will produce
> > learning aides, materials that will enables guys to learn as easily as
> > possible. These guys dont have to worry about your opinions after they
> > passed these ex
it. More and more people will produce
> > learning aides, materials that will enables guys to learn as easily as
> > possible. These guys dont have to worry about your opinions after they
> > passed these exams. These guys may even passed the lab before you do.
> And
>
t u think that these people
> should
> > be
> > > credited for what they have achieved. Cisco is not mystery anymore.
> > More
> > > and more people will try to learn it. More and more people will
produce
> > > learning aides, materials that will ena
ll enables guys to learn as easily as
> > possible. These guys dont have to worry about your opinions after they
> > passed these exams. These guys may even passed the lab before you do.
> And
> > maybe you will come here complaining that Cisco made the lab so easy.
> &
Okay here we go again with this thread .where does it end. Enough
already!!
>From: Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'B J'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED
2001 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> I believe that there are two distinctions that should
> be made - and that you may disagree with. At least for
> the bachelors degree, the experience is just that -
> well beyond the actual academics. In addition, the
>
existence
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
The.Rock
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Reply to The Rock
oh yeah one more thing...In case you forgot, certs don't pro
statement... certs don't prove anything... geez.
Scott M. Baron
CCNP, CCDP, MCP, CNA
-Original Message-
From: Greg Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:30 AM
To: The.Rock; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Very well said!!
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From: "Greg Macaulay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The.Rock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:30 AM
> To: The.Rock; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply
>
>
> "certs don't prove anything&q
rney/Law Professor (Retired)
> Lifetime member of AARP
> Oldest CCNP/CCDP in existence
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> The.Rock
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re
Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply
Very well said!!
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From: "Greg Macaulay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The.Rock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becomi
essage-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> RG
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply
>
>
> Very well said!!
> - Original Message --
You sounded like some newbies has stole your job. Do you have something against up and
coming people who just want to learn about Cisco and consequently be certified for it.
I do not belong to this group of guys for i have been on this business for 12 years
but i'm not insecure if too many o
My point was that more often then not, certified people aren't what they
seem. I like the fact that people want to learn more, because it keeps
"everyone" on their toes and learning about new technology. Part of the
problem is the industry's lack of insight into these so called certs. They
have pu
oh yeah one more thing...In case you forgot, certs don't prove anything
you really are an idiot if you think they "prove " something). The only
prove your ability to regurgitate info that you supposedly learned. Having
the know how, and knowing how to use are two different things. Lets say your
8
your time "fending off evil newbies" and then loose whatever
edge you think you have.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> The.Rock
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cisc
:32 AM
Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Reply to The Rock
oh yeah one more thing...In case you forgot, certs don't prove anything
you really are an idiot if you think they "prove " something). The only
prove your ability to regurgitate info that you supposedly learned.
newbies" and then loose whatever
> edge you think you have.
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > The.Rock
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:33 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
ur own knowledge, ability, and
experience.
My $.02, but I can only read these "discussions" so often before I have to
say something...
Brandon
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Kolp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL
ressure
to
> accomplish a goal in a limited time.
>
> But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong
>
> Louie Belt
> CCIE #7054
>
> -Original Message-
> From: The.Rock
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 3/19/01 11:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CC
ical world and
lets keep ours about functionality.
Just another .02
Larry
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From: Brandon Rose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 2:31 PM
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o:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 2:31 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Reply to The Rock
>
> Everyone was a newbie once... as far as I know nobody was born with a
> Catalyst 6509 as an extra appendage (wow, would that b
"The.Rock" wrote:
>
> oh yeah one more thing...In case you forgot, certs don't prove anything
> you really are an idiot if you think they "prove " something). The only
> prove your ability to regurgitate info that you supposedly learned. Having
> the know how, and knowing how to use are two diff
ink the CCIE
> > certification proves a lot. It proves you have the knowledge, the ability
> > and the troubleshooting skills. It also shows you can work under pressure
> to
> > accomplish a goal in a limited time.
> >
> > But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong
"Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:55 AM
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>
>
> > I believe that there are two dis
n.
> ;)
>
> Allen
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:55 AM
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n a
bunch of it ;)
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To: "Allen May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:19 PM
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>Date: 20 Mar 2001 12:19:54 PST
>From: EA LOUIE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: All positions are valid - Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
snip
>(now I'm feeling like having a breath mint... hmmm.. what's up with
that?
>"It's two, two, two mints in one
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2001 7:20
> To: Allen May; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: All positions are valid - Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
>
>
> No way, Allen... you already cashed it in about 15 messages ago
> on this thread
> - no fair cas
et the job?
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Albert Lu
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 4:44 PM
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Subject: RE: All positions are valid - Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
Le
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> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
> i guess it'll really depends how you present yourself in the CV,
> and during
> the interview. . experience is good. but consider, if a young
> chap with only
>
LOUIE
> > Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2001 7:20
> > To: Allen May; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: All positions are valid - Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> >
> >
> > No way, Allen... you already cashed it in about 15 messages ago
>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 5:10 AM
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Subject: RE: All positions are valid - Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
He probably wouldn't even make the interview room, because recruiters would
have scree
can you be to simply make a blanket
> statement... certs don't prove anything... geez.
>
> Scott M. Baron
> CCNP, CCDP, MCP, CNA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:30 AM
> To: The.Rock
That guy works at your place too? Wow, he must get around... :-)
--- Dennis
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Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Venting about another employee [was Re: Cisco Certs
Becoming Paper CCXX
eralities get you! How shortsited can you be to simply make a blanket
> statement... certs don't prove anything... geez.
>
> Scott M. Baron
> CCNP, CCDP, MCP, CNA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2
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> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:30 AM
> To: The.Rock; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply
>
>
> "
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > The.Rock
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:33 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Reply to The Rock
> >
> >
> > oh yeah one more thing...In c
: Allen May - Rich man 2 cents at a time (was Re: Cisco Certs
Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply)
> I think you're up to 2 bits now, Allen...2 more bits and you'll be up to a
> nibble.
>
> ;-)
>
> At 08:04 AM 4/3/01, Allen May wrote:
> >Hey...isn't t
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