Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-11-05 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 2:17 PM, David Seikel wrote: > On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:46:16 -0400 Youness Alaoui > wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM, David Seikel > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > And as I've been told numerous times "a release is free".. what > > > > is it that you lose when you do

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-11-05 Thread David Seikel
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:46:16 -0400 Youness Alaoui wrote: > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM, David Seikel > wrote: > > > > > > And as I've been told numerous times "a release is free".. what > > > is it that you lose when you do a release, what's so important > > > and critical about having a rele

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-11-05 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM, David Seikel wrote: > Lots of snippage, to avoid making it super long to wade through all the > stuff that has been said before to get to the new bits. Hope I did not > mess up the attributions. > > On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:10:24 -0400 Youness Alaoui > wrote: > > >

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-11-05 Thread David Seikel
Lots of snippage, to avoid making it super long to wade through all the stuff that has been said before to get to the new bits. Hope I did not mess up the attributions. On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:10:24 -0400 Youness Alaoui wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > > O

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-11-05 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:10:24 -0400 Youness Alaoui wrote: > And I'm back! Been sick so haven't check my mails lately.. and I wanted to > answer this thread. I tried to answer only the important bits to avoid > making it super long to read/reply again. > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Carsten H

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-11-05 Thread Youness Alaoui
And I'm back! Been sick so haven't check my mails lately.. and I wanted to answer this thread. I tried to answer only the important bits to avoid making it super long to read/reply again. On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 00:17:01 -0400 Youness Alaoui >

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-11-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Tue, 1 Nov 2011, David Seikel wrote: On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:56:57 -0700 (PDT) P Purkayastha wrote: /me eagerly waits for raster to write a book titled "The path to Enlightenment" :-) when we (the french guys) created the association, we had to register it to the "Journal Officiel de l

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 00:17:01 -0400 Youness Alaoui said: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:15:56 -0400 Youness Alaoui > > said: > > > > > Yeah yeah, you've made that pretty clear already, the thing is, we give > > > reasons why this would be b

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:01:59 -0400 Youness Alaoui said: > > Maybe the reason why raster is doing all > > > the work and nobody works on that TODO is because this is an open source > > > project, so everyone works on it on their own free time, which means they > > > only do what they want, what mo

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:15:56 -0400 Youness Alaoui > said: > > > Yeah yeah, you've made that pretty clear already, the thing is, we give > > reasons why this would be better, but your only argument is "because I > > don't want to" > > that

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:12:56 -0400 Youness Alaoui said: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:19:17 -0400 Youness Alaoui > > said: > Ok.. so I don't understand, you're saying you'll get devs when it shipped > as the default WM for a major distr

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:19:17 -0400 Youness Alaoui > said: > > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler > > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:35:01 +0100 (CET) Vincent Torri < > > > vto...@univ-evry.fr> > > > said: > > >

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread David Seikel
On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 01:00:26 -0200 Iván Briano (Sachiel) wrote: > 2011/11/1 David Seikel : > > On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 00:46:19 -0200 Iván Briano (Sachiel) > > wrote: > > > >> 2011/11/1 David Seikel : > >> > On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:04:40 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The > >> > Rasterman) wrote: > >> > > >>

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread David Seikel
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:56:57 -0700 (PDT) P Purkayastha wrote: > /me eagerly waits for raster to write a book titled "The path to > Enlightenment" :-) rofl -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. signature.asc Descript

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 8:46 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com < hannes.janet...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Youness Alaoui > wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:29 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com < > > hannes.janet...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Sachiel
2011/11/1 David Seikel : > On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 00:46:19 -0200 Iván Briano (Sachiel) > wrote: > >> 2011/11/1 David Seikel : >> > On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:04:40 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) >> > wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:38:11 +1000 David Seikel >> >> said: >> >> >> >> > On Mon

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread P Purkayastha
/me eagerly waits for raster to write a book titled "The path to Enlightenment" :-) On Tuesday, November 1, 2011 9:38:17 AM UTC+8, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:19:17 -0400 Youness Alaoui > said: > > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler > > wro

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread David Seikel
On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 00:46:19 -0200 Iván Briano (Sachiel) wrote: > 2011/11/1 David Seikel : > > On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:04:40 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:38:11 +1000 David Seikel > >> said: > >> > >> > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:15:56 -0400 Youness A

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Sachiel
2011/11/1 David Seikel : > On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:04:40 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > wrote: > >> On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:38:11 +1000 David Seikel >> said: >> >> > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:15:56 -0400 Youness Alaoui >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Well I don't think so, but if you really think peo

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread David Seikel
On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:04:40 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:38:11 +1000 David Seikel > said: > > > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:15:56 -0400 Youness Alaoui > > wrote: > > > > > Well I don't think so, but if you really think people can't live > > > without it (an

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:38:11 +1000 David Seikel said: > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:15:56 -0400 Youness Alaoui > wrote: > > > Well I don't think so, but if you really think people can't live > > without it (and can't live without e17), then someone has to make it > > work by the time the deadline is

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:15:56 -0400 Youness Alaoui said: > Yeah yeah, you've made that pretty clear already, the thing is, we give > reasons why this would be better, but your only argument is "because I > don't want to" that list there on the release page was a result of a group of e devs gettin

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:19:17 -0400 Youness Alaoui said: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:35:01 +0100 (CET) Vincent Torri < > > vto...@univ-evry.fr> > > said: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrot

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:14:20 +0100 Tomas Cech said: > Sorry for getting into this discussion only as E user. > > E17 is already very well usable and stable. When I shown E to my > colleagues at SUSE, they were surprised how fast and usable it is and > three already switched their machines to tha

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread David Seikel
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:15:56 -0400 Youness Alaoui wrote: > Well I don't think so, but if you really think people can't live > without it (and can't live without e17), then someone has to make it > work by the time the deadline is reached. If not, then too bad, if > you can't live without it, then

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread hannes.janet...@gmail.com
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Youness Alaoui wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:29 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com < > hannes.janet...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Youness Alaoui >> wrote: >> > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Carsten Haitzler > >wrote: >> > >> >

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:29 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com < hannes.janet...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Youness Alaoui > wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Carsten Haitzler >wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:07:30 -0400 Youness Alaoui > >> said: > >

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Lucas De Marchi
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 8:29 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com wrote: > calm down. the TODO is a collection of things most developers agree to > be necessary for a release. if you want a release to happen earlier > work on it. Speek for yourself. Lucas De Marchi -

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread hannes.janet...@gmail.com
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Youness Alaoui wrote: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > >> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:07:30 -0400 Youness Alaoui >> said: >> >> > On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Carsten Haitzler >> > wrote: >> > >> > > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:05:20 -0400

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:35:01 +0100 (CET) Vincent Torri < > vto...@univ-evry.fr> > said: > > > > > > > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > > > we released efl 1.0 back at the start of the year... > > > is the

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:07:30 -0400 Youness Alaoui > said: > > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Carsten Haitzler > > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:05:20 -0400 Youness Alaoui > > > said: > > > > > > i'm already working on task

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Tomas Cech
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:23:37AM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:46:55 +0200 Cedric BAIL said: i'll post here as a summary. what k-s wants is to just release e17-as is after fixing some efm bugs. who agrees with that? everything stays as-is. the reason xrandr is on the

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Vincent Torri wrote: > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011, Lucas De Marchi wrote: >> Hi, I'm not responding to the entire thread because it's pointless... >> only one thing below. >> >> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:41:4

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Vincent Torri
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011, Lucas De Marchi wrote: > Hi, I'm not responding to the entire thread because it's pointless... > only one thing below. > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: >> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:41:44 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> said: >> >>> On Sunday,

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-31 Thread Lucas De Marchi
Hi, I'm not responding to the entire thread because it's pointless... only one thing below. On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:41:44 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > said: > >> On Sunday, October 30, 2011, Carsten Haitzler wrote: >> > On Sun, 30 O

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:41:44 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > On Sunday, October 30, 2011, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:56:07 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > said: > > > >> Sorry David, but what we are trying to show is that we have a > psychological > >> problem.

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:41:44 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Sunday, October 30, 2011, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:56:07 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > said: > > > >> Sorry David, but what we are trying to show is that we have a > psychological > >> problem

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sunday, October 30, 2011, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:56:07 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > said: > >> Sorry David, but what we are trying to show is that we have a psychological >> problem. Going code to solve the technical problem is not solving the worst >> one, the ps

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:35:01 +0100 (CET) Vincent Torri said: > > > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > we released efl 1.0 back at the start of the year... > > is there a massive rise in developers? :) > > the EFL without kick-ass apps, showing we can do more th

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:56:07 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > Sorry David, but what we are trying to show is that we have a psychological > problem. Going code to solve the technical problem is not solving the worst > one, the psychological. > > At IRC we also talked about the shameful beh

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread Vincent Torri
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > we released efl 1.0 back at the start of the year... > is there a massive rise in developers? :) the EFL without kick-ass apps, showing we can do more than the other similar libraries, are useless. So it's not really surprising. B

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:14:24 -0400 Youness Alaoui said: > More users means more exposure means more contributions and how can you be > so arrogant as to judge these would-be developers as being "not worth > talking about" before you've actually seen their work, you might be because i've been the

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:07:30 -0400 Youness Alaoui said: > On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:05:20 -0400 Youness Alaoui > > said: > > > > i'm already working on taskbar. i've fixed horizontal sizing issues > > already. i > > need to fix them

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:57 AM, David Seikel wrote: > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 07:34:57 -0400 Youness Alaoui > wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:42 AM, David Seikel > > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:07:30 -0400 Youness Alaoui > > > wrote: > > > > > > > The purpose of this thread (an

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
Sorry David, but what we are trying to show is that we have a psychological problem. Going code to solve the technical problem is not solving the worst one, the psychological. At IRC we also talked about the shameful behavior post 1.0 EFL. We did a release since the technical details were over, ye

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread David Seikel
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 07:34:57 -0400 Youness Alaoui wrote: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:42 AM, David Seikel > wrote: > > > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:07:30 -0400 Youness Alaoui > > wrote: > > > > > The purpose of this thread (and probably all the previous > > > discussions) is to get a point across,

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:42 AM, David Seikel wrote: > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:07:30 -0400 Youness Alaoui > wrote: > > > The purpose of this thread (and probably all the previous > > discussions) is to get a point across, the release is needed, and > > most people think that there is no point in

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread David Seikel
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:07:30 -0400 Youness Alaoui wrote: > The purpose of this thread (and probably all the previous > discussions) is to get a point across, the release is needed, and > most people think that there is no point in delaying it, but if > you're too stubborn on that, maybe that's th

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread Youness Alaoui
More users means more exposure means more contributions and how can you be so arrogant as to judge these would-be developers as being "not worth talking about" before you've actually seen their work, you might be surprised. This attitude is maybe the real reason as to why the dev community is so sm

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-30 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:05:20 -0400 Youness Alaoui > said: > > i'm already working on taskbar. i've fixed horizontal sizing issues > already. i > need to fix theme up. t_unix has pending patches for xrandr multi-screen i > have > yet to l

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-29 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:10:21 -0400 Youness Alaoui said: we won't catch up because no one works on e17. no one is interested in it anymore and a release won't change that/ 99% of the development effort is on EFL not e. > Thanks Gustavo, you said many of the same things that I just said (email was

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-29 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:05:20 -0400 Youness Alaoui said: i'm already working on taskbar. i've fixed horizontal sizing issues already. i need to fix theme up. t_unix has pending patches for xrandr multi-screen i have yet to look at - if someone wants a release them why not review those patches and

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-29 Thread Youness Alaoui
Thanks Gustavo, you said many of the same things that I just said (email was written async) and you made me realize one point... the WM world is constantly changing, when we are ready for release, some new thing will come out and then we need to adapt again... E17 was the most beautiful WM out ther

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-29 Thread Youness Alaoui
Hi guys, I've started this discussion with Gustavo and Cedric back in Prague, and haven't had time to check my mails until now (doing it from the airport). I will summarize the stuff I've told them and i'm sorry if I'm repeating some of the things that were already said in this thread. I will then

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-29 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Michael Jennings wrote: > On Saturday, 29 October 2011, at 11:23:37 (+0900), > Carsten Haitzler wrote: > >> i'll post here as a summary. what k-s wants is to just release e17-as is >> after >> fixing some efm bugs. who agrees with that? everything stays as-is. >>

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-29 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Christopher Michael wrote: > On 10/28/11 22:23, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:46:55 +0200 Cedric BAIL  said: >> >> i'll post here as a summary. what k-s wants is to just release e17-as is >> after >> fixing some efm bugs. who ag

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-29 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:28 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:51:53 -0400 Christopher Michael > > said: >> Agreed. But to 'jump the gun' and release early (read: earlier than >> ready) at this stage is just silly. Take a little more time, finish the >> work properly and have

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Christopher Michael
On 10/29/11 01:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:51:53 -0400 Christopher Michael > said: > >> Well mate, slap it into svn somewhere and we can all jump into the fun >> ;) (time permitting of course). > > i will - this weekend, i hope. > Cool :) >> Agreed. But to

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:51:53 -0400 Christopher Michael said: > Well mate, slap it into svn somewhere and we can all jump into the fun > ;) (time permitting of course). i will - this weekend, i hope. > Agreed. But to 'jump the gun' and release early (read: earlier than > ready) at this stage i

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Christopher Michael
On 10/29/11 00:44, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:25:55 -0400 Christopher Michael > said: > >> On 10/28/11 22:23, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >>> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:46:55 +0200 Cedric BAIL said: >>> >>> i'll post here as a summary. what k-s wants

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:25:55 -0400 Christopher Michael said: > On 10/28/11 22:23, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:46:55 +0200 Cedric BAIL said: > > > > i'll post here as a summary. what k-s wants is to just release e17-as is > > after fixing some efm bugs. who

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Christopher Michael
On 10/28/11 22:58, David Seikel wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:23:37 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > wrote: > >> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:46:55 +0200 Cedric BAIL >> said: >> >> i'll post here as a summary. what k-s wants is to just release e17-as >> is after fixing some efm bugs. who agre

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Christopher Michael
On 10/28/11 22:55, Michael Jennings wrote: > On Saturday, 29 October 2011, at 11:23:37 (+0900), > Carsten Haitzler wrote: > >> i'll post here as a summary. what k-s wants is to just release e17-as is >> after >> fixing some efm bugs. who agrees with that? everything stays as-is. >> >> the reason x

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Christopher Michael
On 10/28/11 22:23, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:46:55 +0200 Cedric BAIL said: > > i'll post here as a summary. what k-s wants is to just release e17-as is after > fixing some efm bugs. who agrees with that? everything stays as-is. > Sorry, cannot say that I agre

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread P Purkayastha
On Saturday, October 29, 2011 10:23:37 AM UTC+8, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:46:55 +0200 Cedric BAIL said: > > the reason taskbar is there is because engage is compositing based > realistically > and we have to work without, and we again have had enough users

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:46:55 +0200 Cedric BAIL wrote: > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:07:45 -0200 > > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > >> I'm writing this mail so it's unified and everyone can opine without > >> being in one place at one t

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread David Seikel
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:23:37 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:46:55 +0200 Cedric BAIL > said: > > i'll post here as a summary. what k-s wants is to just release e17-as > is after fixing some efm bugs. who agrees with that? everything stays > as-is. We alre

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Michael Jennings
On Saturday, 29 October 2011, at 11:23:37 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: > i'll post here as a summary. what k-s wants is to just release e17-as is after > fixing some efm bugs. who agrees with that? everything stays as-is. > > the reason xrandr is on the todo is that there are many complaints

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:46:55 +0200 Cedric BAIL said: i'll post here as a summary. what k-s wants is to just release e17-as is after fixing some efm bugs. who agrees with that? everything stays as-is. the reason xrandr is on the todo is that there are many complaints and questions about how to ge

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:24:56 +0200 Nicolas Aguirre said: > Hi, > > 2011/10/28 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri : > > Hello all, > > > > I'm writing this mail so it's unified and everyone can opine without > > being in one place at one time (IRC/#edevelop). > > > > Recently I've talked to people and whil

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote: > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:07:45 -0200 > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> I'm writing this mail so it's unified and everyone can opine without >> being in one place at one time (IRC/#edevelop). >> >> Recently I've talked to people and whil

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:07:45 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm writing this mail so it's unified and everyone can opine without > being in one place at one time (IRC/#edevelop). > > Recently I've talked to people and while I tried to express it at IRC, > raster just got

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:57:02 -0700 (PDT) P Purkayastha wrote: > As an end user, I too feel e17 should get out. Nothing much has changed in > core e over the past year, except for dialogs, and reshuffling of menus, > addition of shot module, and some polish over the past 3-4 months into > makin

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Nicolas Aguirre
Hi, 2011/10/28 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri : > Hello all, > > I'm writing this mail so it's unified and everyone can opine without > being in one place at one time (IRC/#edevelop). > > Recently I've talked to people and while I tried to express it at IRC, > raster just got pissed and left. Later peop

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Tom Hacohen
On 28/10/11 15:07, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > WHY RELEASE? >1. to clarify we know some snapshot is usable. This will get us in > more distributions by default. >2. to remove that stupid karma over the 17 number if e. Will help > people that do not track us closely to know we're reaso

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread P Purkayastha
On Friday, October 28, 2011 10:24:07 PM UTC+8, Cedric BAIL wrote: > > Hi, > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > wrote: > > I'm writing this mail so it's unified and everyone can opine without > > being in one place at one time (IRC/#edevelop). > > > > Recently I've talk

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Cedric BAIL
Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > I'm writing this mail so it's unified and everyone can opine without > being in one place at one time (IRC/#edevelop). > > Recently I've talked to people and while I tried to express it at IRC, > raster just got pissed and lef

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread P Purkayastha
As an end user, I too feel e17 should get out. Nothing much has changed in core e over the past year, except for dialogs, and reshuffling of menus, addition of shot module, and some polish over the past 3-4 months into making it work better with desktop files and with startup applications of gn

Re: [E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Boris Faure
> WHY RELEASE? >   1. to clarify we know some snapshot is usable. This will get us in > more distributions by default. >   2. to remove that stupid karma over the 17 number if e. Will help > people that do not track us closely to know we're reasonable serious. >   3. we can start to bring in new te

[E-devel] RFC: E17 Release

2011-10-28 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
Hello all, I'm writing this mail so it's unified and everyone can opine without being in one place at one time (IRC/#edevelop). Recently I've talked to people and while I tried to express it at IRC, raster just got pissed and left. Later people would join and agree with me... so while I'm looking