Re: [OT] Slow Mailing List

2000-12-07 Thread Gerald Richter
> Anyway, if the list is slow here and if Apache.org is not willing to do > anything to fix it (but it looks like they are in a few weeks!) then I Be sure, they are already working on that, but it isn't done in few minutes... Gerald -

mod_perl training (was Re: Certification)

2000-12-07 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Gunther> A lecture format is great for spreading the word at the Gunther> conferences, but hands-on training would be even better. Or Gunther> perhaps there isn't a demand for mod_perl training in which Gunther> case I guess that's

Re: [OT] Slow Mailing List

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:20 PM 12/7/2000 -0800, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: >On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jim Winstead wrote: > >[...] > > in the meantime, be patient. :) > >uhmn, it has been better the last days. Actually right now the turn >around time is back to a few minutes it seems like. > >if it's slow it's just to give

Re: [OT] Slow Mailing List

2000-12-07 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jim Winstead wrote: [...] > in the meantime, be patient. :) uhmn, it has been better the last days. Actually right now the turn around time is back to a few minutes it seems like. if it's slow it's just to give a hint to not make it worse by sending useless off-topic mail. S

Re: Response time under mod_perl

2000-12-07 Thread Adi Fairbank
Michael Fuhr wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 02:57:33AM -0200, Edmar Edilton da Silva wrote: > > > I need to know the response time of a Perl script running under > > mod_perl. To do this I need a function that it's returns the current time > > of the system in milliseconds. Please, hav

Re: Response time under mod_perl

2000-12-07 Thread Michael Fuhr
On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 02:57:33AM -0200, Edmar Edilton da Silva wrote: > I need to know the response time of a Perl script running under > mod_perl. To do this I need a function that it's returns the current time > of the system in milliseconds. Please, have anyone any idea what function I

Response time under mod_perl

2000-12-07 Thread Edmar Edilton da Silva
Hi all, I need to know the response time of a Perl script running under mod_perl. To do this I need a function that it's returns the current time of the system in milliseconds. Please, have anyone any idea what function I can use? Thanks for any help... Edmar,

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Matthew Kennedy
"Eustace, Glen" wrote: > > going to go the Java way, the reasons have all been stated in this thread > before; Market hype, its an expensive solution so it must be good, its a > cool new technology, you can't get good perl programmers, its what is being > used by everyone else, we don't unde

Authen::PAM

2000-12-07 Thread Aleksandr Vladimirskiy
Hi, has anyone used the Authen::PAM module? I am trying to authenticate users against /etc/shadow. The standard interface provided by the module returns numbers and the man page doesn't say anything about them. Please help! Alex --

[OT] RE: Help needed with MAP expression

2000-12-07 Thread Ed Park
The point of this function is to right-align numbers in table-data cells and keep everything else left-aligned. Note that this is what Excel does by default (if you type in a number in Excel, it aligns to the right; if you type in a string, it aligns to the left). Technically, it should be use in

Which certificates are respected. Why?

2000-12-07 Thread JoshNarins
In a message dated 12/7/00 8:24:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > But an MCSD is fairly difficult from what > I understand. And on the other end of the spectrum, the couple of people I > know who are fully 100% CISCO certified through and through are like > networking

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 06:30 PM 12/7/2000 -0800, Rob Tanner wrote: >--On Thursday, December 07, 2000 05:55:41 PM -0600 Jimi Thompson ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>See - I KNEW IT!!! >> >>You aren't a PHB. You have to look at this like a PHB. PHB's don't care >>if the >>paper means anything relevant. PHB's li

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Rob Tanner
--On Thursday, December 07, 2000 05:55:41 PM -0600 Jimi Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > See - I KNEW IT!!! > > You aren't a PHB. You have to look at this like a PHB. PHB's don't care if the > paper means anything relevant. PHB's live for Plausible Deniability and Glory > Hogging. If

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread JoshNarins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The day after the technology stabilizes one can decide what to certify people to do. If Perl6 is two+ years off, 5.6 certification makes sense. If Apache2.0/Modperl2.0 are x:{x<2,10} months off && are taking up a lot of Doug's and other mod_perl CPA

Re: [OT] Slow Mailing List

2000-12-07 Thread Jim Winstead
On Dec 08, Gunther Birznieks wrote: > Now that traffic has increased on this list, I don't know if this is an > illusion but it seems to take a really long time between the time I post a > message and the mod_perl mailing list gets it back to me. the machine that handles mail for all of the ap

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
I would agree. If you want to see design patterns in practical action with relation to mod_perl.. go to http://www.extropia.com/ExtropiaObjects/ and skim through Chapters 10 (App Architecture) and on (on the individual app toolkit components). Each one contains a sidebar on how design patterns

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 05:55 PM 12/7/00 -0600, Jimi Thompson wrote: >Geeks know its just paper and that paper three appropriate uses (for >writing on, paper >airplanes, and TP). Geeks know that paper doesn't pass for >credentials. The PHB's haven't You miss the point. It's not about credentials in a boolean sen

[OT] Slow Mailing List

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
Now that traffic has increased on this list, I don't know if this is an illusion but it seems to take a really long time between the time I post a message and the mod_perl mailing list gets it back to me. - To unsubscribe, e-

Re: Dependent modules

2000-12-07 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jimi Thompson wrote: > That would be a comment from me :) On Sparc-Solaris 2.6, getting CPAN > to install the dependent modules or even tell you what they are > doesn't always (read - seldom - at least in my experience) work. If that's the case, you should speak to the author

Re: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At the very least even if there is no certification, perhaps just a training course on mod_perl from Merlyn/Stonehenge would act in lieu of such. If I knew someone had trained for a week with Randal's company in either OO Perl technology (PROM) or mod_perl (a course that doesn't seem to exist o

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Todd Diep
Certification does have its merits. I know this analogy is not quite correct but its the only one that comes to mind. Would you have a nurse or a doctor treat your abdominal pains? I rather not have the abdominal pains in the first place but I rather have the doctor treat me than the nurse.

Re: Alliance? WAS -> Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
The could be although ActiveState has a product that competes with mod_perl on the NT side called PerlEx. What is too bad about the silence about the relationship is that PerlEx as a product could really benefit from evolving upon the back of a mod_perl code base. ...In terms of rapidly findi

RE: Help needed with MAP expression

2000-12-07 Thread jbodnar
It takes a reference to an array, and checks to see if each element of the arry only contains one or more "."s or digits, if it does it calls the td() function with parameters, returning the result, if not, it returns the element. I think. On 07-Dec-2000 bari wrote: > Hi there, > Can any one hel

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Jimi Thompson
See - I KNEW IT!!! You aren't a PHB. You have to look at this like a PHB. PHB's don't care if the paper means anything relevant. PHB's live for Plausible Deniability and Glory Hogging. If they can't take credit for it, they don't want to get blamed for it either. If anything goes wrong, th

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread clayton cottingham
Perrin Harkins wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: > > I've always considered mod_perl to be completely debugger-unfriendly. > > That's why I write modules that I can test from a standard script, and > > then call those modules from Embperl pages or Registry scripts. > >

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread Jeremy Howard
martin langhoff wrote: > I wonder how do those hardcore guys that develop using handlers debug. > Mhhh. They must write 'perlfect' code, I guess, and/or understand those > cryptic debuggers ... > Actually, debugging handlers is pretty easy. Just run httpd with the -X flag to make it single process

Re: Dependent modules

2000-12-07 Thread Jimi Thompson
Aaron, That would be a comment from me :) On Sparc-Solaris 2.6, getting CPAN to install the dependent modules or even tell you what they are doesn't always (read - seldom - at least in my experience) work. In the cases where it does at least tell you which one, there are several modules with ne

Re: perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread Ivan E. Panchenko
You probably tried this script on linux or some other not fully BSD compartible system. We obtained same zeros on linux, where getrusage() means something else than on FreeBSD, but if you try measuring memory sizes with ps or top, you should observe the mentioned leak. Please insert sleep(10)

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: > I wonder how do those hardcore guys that develop using handlers debug. > Mhhh. They must write 'perlfect' code, I guess, and/or understand those > cryptic debuggers ... I just do a lot of debugging via warn statements and looking at the error lo

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: > Perrin Harkins wrote: > > > > I don't know how easy it is to make it play with > > mod_perl though. Apache::Debug normally just dumps you into the shell > > debugger. Maybe setting an environment variable would do it. > > > > I've always consid

Re: shared mem [was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-07 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Tim Bunce wrote: > On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 04:24:24PM -0800, Perrin Harkins wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Paul wrote: > > > I was pointed to IPC::Sharable, IPC::Sharelite. > > > I'll look at those. > > > > Take a look at IPC::MM for a shared memory hash implemented in C. Als

Re: Dependent modules

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Aaron Johnson wrote: > I saw reference in some of the advocacy thread to having some way to > list what modules are dependent on others. When I use CPAN (the module > not the site) to install some modules it automatically installs the > other required modules, but I assume th

Re: [OT] mod_motd

2000-12-07 Thread John K. Sterling
I think there's a Apache::Motd perl module, is that what your looking for? sterling On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jerrad Pierce wrote: > Am I losing my mind or is there a mod_motd for Apache floating around? > I haven't been able to find it anywhere, but I'm sure I've seen it. > (Checked Freshmeat, searc

Re: [OT] mod_motd

2000-12-07 Thread Carlos Ramirez
Yes, it's called Apache::Motd -Carlos Jerrad Pierce wrote: > Am I losing my mind or is there a mod_motd for Apache floating around? > I haven't been able to find it anywhere, but I'm sure I've seen it. > (Checked Freshmeat, search engines, and Apache module repository) > > Thanks > > --

Re: [OT] mod_motd

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jerrad Pierce wrote: > Am I losing my mind or is there a mod_motd for Apache floating around? > I haven't been able to find it anywhere, but I'm sure I've seen it. > (Checked Freshmeat, search engines, and Apache module repository) seems to be ontopic since it's Apache::Motd

Re: Validating Parsers

2000-12-07 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does anyone know of a xml parsing module that validates using built-in > functionality, or is there a method to validate xml using XML::Parser > with another module? Ah, if you want to ask an off-topic question, couldn't you at least TRY to mask it a

Help needed with MAP expression

2000-12-07 Thread bari
Hi there, Can any one help me what this MAP function does... map(/^[\.\d]+$/ ? td({-align=>'right'}, $_) : td($_), @$_) I am really confused by this one... your help would be appreciated.. Thank You, - Bari -

Alliance? WAS -> Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Aaron Johnson
What about working with ActiveState? I know they were primarily Windows focused, but they now have Linux and Solaris versions of Perl pre compiled. mod_perl can now be gotten to work with the latest ActivePerl build (622) for Windows. (thanks to Randy Kobes, or at least I think that is who has pu

Re: perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The output I get is > > used memory = 0 > used memory = 0 > used memory = 0 > used memory = 0 > used memory = 0 I get the same under perl 5.6.0 on linux, looks like BSD::Resource doesn't work there :( Anyone? Use gtop instead (if you have it):

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Rob Tanner
--On Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:52:44 PM -0500 Eric Strovink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Somebody wrote: > >> > If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable >> > brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I >> > don't have much spare brain powe

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache::ASP v2.07

2000-12-07 Thread joel w. reed
On Dec 06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] contorted a few electrons to say... Joshua> Hey, Joshua> Joshua> The latest Apache::ASP 2.07 has made its way into CPAN, and is Joshua> also available at: Just thought i'd say a BIG THANKS to Joshua for Apache::ASP. Its been a great help in developing cross platform

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: > I've always considered mod_perl to be completely debugger-unfriendly. > That's why I write modules that I can test from a standard script, and > then call those modules from Embperl pages or Registry scripts. Apache::Debug works. It's almost ex

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Jimi Thompson
Eric, You fail to understand that while you are probably a geeks dream boss, you are not the average PHB. Heck, your hair is probably limp ;). The idea here is to gain acceptance and even status with the PHB. PHB's like paper. It doesn't matter if its a useful piece of paper or not (MCSE's ar

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Marc Spitzer
I agree with Eric, for consultants you should focus on skills and brains and for employees you should focus on BRAINS. They will be there long enough to pick up the skills and pay you back for the time you spent training them. Remember smart people learn fast so it is not that much time spent o

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jimi Thompson wrote: > Everything required to make the module work ought to be included in > the package or at least cross referenced to it. Newer versions of CPAN resolve dependencies for you, and you can always make a Bundle:: for your project. - Perrin --

debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: > [1] Having grown up in a cushioned, fancy VB 3.0 IDE, I still > find both vi, emacs and textmode debug too harsh for me. You could try ptkdb or DDD for GUI debugging. - Perrin -

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread martin langhoff
Perrin Harkins wrote: > > I don't know how easy it is to make it play with > mod_perl though. Apache::Debug normally just dumps you into the shell > debugger. Maybe setting an environment variable would do it. > I've always considered mod_perl to be completely debugger-unfriendly. Tha

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Eustace, Glen
This has been a really interesting thread. I would like to contribute my own experiences as I am currently sitting on both sides of the fence. In my spare time, what little there is, I operate a web hosting service for NZ Christian churches, organisations and ministries. This endeavou

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread bthak
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: > On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote: > > > At 07:56 07/12/2000 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: > > >I'd rather see us find some way to churn out perl and mod_perl > > >programmers. For instance, release a beginner class on Perl and > > >mod_perl a

RE: eval statements in mod_perl

2000-12-07 Thread Hill, David T - Belo Corporate
Not surprisingly, the problem turned out to be a simple one. I was using strict on the module that ran the eval. The code that was being eval'ed didn't throw an error (nothing in $@) but it did show the warnings in the error log. Sorry to trouble you, and thanks for the responses that I did

Re: Apache::ASP problem with post data

2000-12-07 Thread Luc Willems
the result of $Response-> is also empty. i had a look into the Apache::ASP source code and found this : (line 843) $self->{content} = $r->content(); tie(*STDIN, 'Apache::ASP::Request', $self) if defined($self->{content}); this means that it's comming from $

Dependent modules

2000-12-07 Thread Aaron Johnson
I saw reference in some of the advocacy thread to having some way to list what modules are dependent on others. When I use CPAN (the module not the site) to install some modules it automatically installs the other required modules, but I assume this only works with modules that are on CPAN (the s

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: > All this talk about DDD is making me wonder if there is a suitable > (graphical) Perl IDE that I can run on Gnome. Last time I tried them, I found ptkdb a bit nicer than DDD, mostly because DDD was kind of slow. I don't know how easy it is to ma

[OT] Re: perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread Andrew Wyllie
Hi Ivan, It's not really mod_perl, but is relevant to people on the list I guess... If you really play aorund with this, you'll find some interesting variations. If I assign $cc using a for loop my $c; for ( 1..2000) { $cc .= 'a'; } it's a lot slower, but only uses

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread Marc Spitzer
Thanks for pointing that out, or I could just use compress. As far as the $$$ goes you need to spend money to start a business lets see if there is a market first. Another thing we could add is interbase to the list or break it up into 3 or more packages that are integrated out of the box, call

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread martin langhoff
Perrin, In fact, I've always been coding from NT machines -- for my *nix servers, of course. Now the ActiveState people are building a cross-platform and cross-language IDE that integrates with perldebug nicely -- or so it seems. I'm actually starting to like it -- it's built on top of mo

RE: connect_cached, mod_perl && Oracle connection pooling

2000-12-07 Thread Ed Park
Hey-- I know that this is mad late, but this caught my eye, and it doesn't look like anyone has responded since then. For anyone else-- if you've even been in a situation where you've wanted to create persistent DBI connections to multiple Oracle schemas, read on. In short, here's the solution

[OT] mod_motd

2000-12-07 Thread Jerrad Pierce
Am I losing my mind or is there a mod_motd for Apache floating around? I haven't been able to find it anywhere, but I'm sure I've seen it. (Checked Freshmeat, search engines, and Apache module repository) Thanks - To unsubscribe

Re: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Tom Brown
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: > On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, J. J. Horner wrote: > > > If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable > > brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I > > don't have much spare brain power and I could use it to try to f

Re: perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Ivan E. Panchenko wrote: > Today I discovered a strange behaiviour of perl, > and I wonder if anybody can tell me what to do with it. > > The matter is that perl DOES NOT REUSE MEMORY allocated for > intermediate calculation results. This is specially harmful to > data-inten

Re: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Ajit Deshpande
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 05:10:58PM -, John Reid wrote: > Certification may be an issue that deserves careful attention, before idiots > go and try to implement mod_perl solutions, make a complete pig's ear and > give us all a bad name. I wouldnt be too worried about that. For better or worse,

Re: Strange problem with IE 5

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, ek wrote: > Hello all, > i'm trying to build a standard system: apache-1.3.14 with > compiled in mod_perl-1.24_01 on RedHat linux 6.2 > > If i build apache without mod_perl everything works fine. But if > build apache with mod_perl, IE 5.0 fails to load pages from the > serve

RE: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread kevin montuori
>>> John Reid writes: [ cc list trimmed. ] jr> This is an interesting thread. Just one point though ... just jr> who is available? hey, i'm available. boston and cambridge only, i'm afraid. jr> Are they any good? Have they any experience? Are they telling jr> th

Re: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Jimi Thompson
When MCSE's were just starting to be issued, no one thought that they were important either. However, the PHB's who do the hiring said "Oo, you have a sheet of paper from M$ that says your ok. You're hired!" My point is that if you are trying to appeal to the businesses, please look at what

Re: perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Ivan E. Panchenko wrote: > > > Today I discovered a strange behaiviour of perl, > and I wonder if anybody can tell me what to do with it. > > The matter is that perl DOES NOT REUSE MEMORY allocated for > intermediate calculation results. This is specially harmful to > dat

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-07 Thread kyle dawkins
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:33, you wrote: > On 7 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote: > > Development are two of the bibles. I have to say though, > > I've avoided the Design Patterns type books purely > > because of the C++/Java bias. > > you sure are missing out. I second that. You should lose your

Re: perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread newsreader
The output I get is used memory = 0 used memory = 0 used memory = 0 used memory = 0 used memory = 0 I'm interested in how many leaks are possible in mod_perl though because my mod_perl processes are getting bigger with time -- about 200 requests is making the process fatter by 1mb on the aver

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread Jimi Thompson
Marc, In order to be kind to newbie's, you will need to mention tar and gnu zip which don't come standard on some flavors of Unix. In my case Solaris 2.6 only has tar. Zip must be installed. Also, you are going to need to at least point them to documentation. Maybe we could make extra $$$ sel

Re: Strange problem with IE 5

2000-12-07 Thread Chuck Goehring
ek, Had various similar problems with IE 5.0 and 5.5. This was particularly frequent with the first version of IE 5 released, when installed on w98. BrowserMatch in srm.conf needs to be maintained for IE 5. I duped the entry for IE 4. This seams to fix most problems. Chuck - Original Mess

Authen::PAM

2000-12-07 Thread Aleksandr Vladimirskiy
Has anyone used Authen::PAM. I can't seem to figure out the return values for its pam_authenticate interface. It is supposed to return PAM_SUCCESS but gives out a zero or a nine. Thanks, Alex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PRO

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Eric Strovink
Somebody wrote: > > If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable > > brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I > > don't have much spare brain power and I could use it to try to figure > > out my wife . . . You're way off base. Figure out the wife

Re: Strange problem with IE 5

2000-12-07 Thread Matt Morton
ek wrote: > > Hello all, > i'm trying to build a standard system: apache-1.3.14 with > compiled in mod_perl-1.24_01 on RedHat linux 6.2 > > If i build apache without mod_perl everything works fine. But if > build apache with mod_perl, IE 5.0 fails to load pages from the > server. I can only see

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On 7 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote: [...] > Do it on line, for free (or real cheap)? OK so it'd be multiple-guess > most of the time, but peer review of submitted coursework too? Then I like mjd's "certification" much much better. Certification done right doesn't matter. Certification not do

Re: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Jay Jacobs
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: > On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, J. J. Horner wrote: > > > If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable > > brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I > > don't have much spare brain power and I could use it to try to

RE: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread John Reid
> > If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable > > brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I > > don't have much spare brain power and I could use it to try to figure > > out my wife . . . > > Ask yourself this question: Are you in need of a mod_pe

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread Marc Spitzer
I don't know about that, getting the correct version of perl, mod_perl. apache and all the preconfigured modules together and configuring cpan... as apposed to installing DBD::Postgres(uses XS), hell I could stick gcc postgres and open ldap in the package. krap I just gave my self more work. Her

perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread Ivan E. Panchenko
Today I discovered a strange behaiviour of perl, and I wonder if anybody can tell me what to do with it. The matter is that perl DOES NOT REUSE MEMORY allocated for intermediate calculation results. This is specially harmful to data-intensive modperl applications where one perl process proces

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-07 Thread brian moseley
On 7 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote: > Development are two of the bibles. I have to say though, > I've avoided the Design Patterns type books purely > because of the C++/Java bias. you sure are missing out. - To unsubscribe,

sharing sockets

2000-12-07 Thread Roger Espel Llima
Jeremy Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there _any_ solution to sharing sockets? My WebMail server > keeps a pool of IMAP connections open (one per user) but it > currently needs to create a connection for every user for every > process that they use. This is awfully inefficient. I'm plannin

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Patrick
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:52:01PM +0100, Stas Bekman took time to write: > Your problem is that you try to use the precompiled broken packages > provided by distros. If I can jump... I must say that I *never* had a problem with Debian packages of mod_perl. Maybe RedHat packages have (don't know

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote: > At 07:56 07/12/2000 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: > >I'd rather see us find some way to churn out perl and mod_perl > >programmers. For instance, release a beginner class on Perl and > >mod_perl and have local Perlmongers lead classes. I have my slide

Strange problem with IE 5

2000-12-07 Thread ek
Hello all, i'm trying to build a standard system: apache-1.3.14 with compiled in mod_perl-1.24_01 on RedHat linux 6.2 If i build apache without mod_perl everything works fine. But if build apache with mod_perl, IE 5.0 fails to load pages from the server. I can only see blank page without any erro

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread barries
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:52:01PM +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: > > What's so complicated about this: When everything goes right, and when you happen to have lwp installed and a tar that uncompresses :-). Seems like a good process to encode in a build_my_mod_perl.pl, FWIW. - Barrie -

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread barries
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 07:56:09AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: > J. J. Horner writes: > > I'd be interested in something like this. > > Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of > work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for > those certified.

Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, J. J. Horner wrote: > If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable > brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I > don't have much spare brain power and I could use it to try to figure > out my wife . . . Ask yourself this questio

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread J. J. Horner
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 07:56:09AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: > J. J. Horner writes: > > I'd be interested in something like this. > > Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of > work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for > those certified.

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Nathan Torkington wrote: > J. J. Horner writes: > > I'd be interested in something like this. > > Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of > work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for > those certified. If it's done poorly,

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Matthew Kennedy
"Bruce W. Hoylman" wrote: > > "Matthew" == Matthew Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthew> compiled enterprise app might only be 300Kb (and not just a > Matthew> "report queue manager"). And 500Mb of memory? That's > Matthew> tuppence in the server world anyway. > > Thi

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jimi Thompson wrote: > Matt, > > Everything required to make the module work ought to be included in > the package or at least cross referenced to it. I have been having a > problem in which I have had to manually resolve module dependencies on > a Solaris 2.6 box. It went t

Digest List doesn't show subjects!!!!

2000-12-07 Thread Kees Vonk 7249 24549
Can someone please confirm if this issue is being looked at. The modperl digest list is often very helpful and I would like to keep using it. For at a few weeks now the digest list has been looking like this (no topics are listed): modperl Digest 21 Nov 2000 23:42:00 - Issue 256 Topics

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Aaron E. Ross
at a time earlier than now, Stas Bekman wrote: > > Installing: > What's so complicated about this: > > % cd /usr/src > % lwp-download http://www.apache.org/dist/apache_x.x.x.tar.gz > % lwp-download http://perl.apache.org/dist/mod_perl-x.xx.tar.gz > % tar xzvf apache_x.x.x.tar.gz > % ta

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Robin Berjon
At 07:56 07/12/2000 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: >I'd rather see us find some way to churn out perl and mod_perl >programmers. For instance, release a beginner class on Perl and >mod_perl and have local Perlmongers lead classes. I have my slides >from the University of Perl, which I'd contrib

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Jimi Thompson
Matt, Everything required to make the module work ought to be included in the package or at least cross referenced to it. I have been having a problem in which I have had to manually resolve module dependencies on a Solaris 2.6 box. It went through several layers with several candidates for eac

[certification] (was Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, J. J. Horner wrote: > On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:58:48PM +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: > > > By the way, does mod_perl have a "board of directors"? If there was a > > > mod_perl consortium backing mod_perl (Merlyn, Lincoln, Doug, Stas > > > etc) formally, I'm sure we could get

Re: [OT]Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Robin Berjon
At 14:47 06/12/2000 -0800, ed phillips wrote: >Aristotle from the Ars Rhetorica on money: > >Money will not make you wise, but it will bring a wise man to your door. :) -- robin b. Forty two. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL P

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread J. J. Horner
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:58:48PM +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: > > By the way, does mod_perl have a "board of directors"? If there was a > > mod_perl consortium backing mod_perl (Merlyn, Lincoln, Doug, Stas > > etc) formally, I'm sure we could get some pretty serious notice. > > Yes, it's called

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread martin langhoff
"Aaron E. Ross" wrote: >database abstraction and connection pooling => DBI >session management => Apache::Session >load balancing => mod_backhand?? >data relational mapping => Tangram or Alzabo >template

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
> By the way, does mod_perl have a "board of directors"? If there was a > mod_perl consortium backing mod_perl (Merlyn, Lincoln, Doug, Stas > etc) formally, I'm sure we could get some pretty serious notice. Yes, it's called Project Management Committee (pmc) and currently the members are Doug,

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Nathan Torkington
J. J. Horner writes: > I'd be interested in something like this. Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for those certified. If it's done poorly, it's useless and is just a moneymaker for the certificati

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread Aaron E. Ross
at a time earlier than now, kevin montuori wrote: > >>> Aaron E Ross writes: > > > aer> the possibility of being able to untar one package to get > aer> mod_perl w/ persistent db connections, [&c.] is very glamorous! > >agreed. but fundamentally impossible. what database are you >

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