[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: An FFL classic. You've got three people, one after another--Barry, Sal, and do.rflex (actually Barry goes twice)--indulging in what Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo would characterize as up-is-downism, a near-complete and willful reversal of reality that they've convinced themselves to believe in. Not just with regard to the post they're commenting on, or my posting history here, but with regard to what happened out in the real world in the primaries. Talk about living in a small world in one's head! They can't even see far enough to notice what goes on right in front of their noses. It's a sickness that manifested with great virulence during the primaries and obviously is still deeply embedded in the psyches of Obama supporters. Is there a cure for it? I don't know, but if we can't find some way to treat those who are ill and keep them from passing the disease on to future generations, we're in very, very deep trouble. At one time it appeared to be quarantined among Republicans, but clearly it escaped, and it turns out that even lefty progressives aren't immune to it. Conventional wisdom says Obama was elected because he transcended race. Hogwash. If it hadn't been for MLK and LBJ and LAWS that forbid discrimination, and segregation, and many years of government and media effort to improve race relations, Obama would never have had a chance at the presidency. If Hillary had had the same protections against discrimination for her sex as Obama had for his race, without a doubt Hillary would have been treated more respectfully. No one transcends race or gender without some help from the LAW. We have become so sensitive as a nation about race that everyone tippy-toed to protect Obamba's sensibilities during the primary lest they wear the shameful name of racist. Obama used it to his advantage on several occasions and people were often falsely accused of racism if they didn't support Obama. Deplorable. http://tinyurl.com/2ve8jt Hillary had no such tippy-toeing around her. It was open season to attack her and the so called progressive Left and the complicit DNC didn't hold back firing as many cheap sexist shots as they could. Here's an interesting tidbit: The United States is the only developed nation that has not ratified the CEDAW, Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in 1948, enshrines the equal rights of men and women, and addressed both the equality and equity issues.[49] In 1979 the United Nations General Assembly adopted the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW). Described as an international bill of rights for women, it came into force on 3 September 1981. Read More: http://tinyurl.com/7tgjg The Equal Rights for Women Amendment was first proposed in 1923, it is still not part of the U.S. Constitution. The ERA has been ratified by 35 of the necessary 38 states. When three more states vote yes, the ERA might become the 28th Amendment. Unratified States Alabama Arizona Arkansas Florida Georgia Illinois Louisiana Mississippi Missouri Nevada North Carolina Oklahoma South Carolina Utah Virginia Read more: http://tinyurl.com/5hgbgm If anybody wants me to point out all the reality- reversals in what follows, let me know, but I think most FFLers will be able to spot them easily (although, of course, you won't have the guts to speak up to contest them). And of course one mustn't expect Vaj to rear up and point out that these three posters are engaging in the poison-the-well fallacy--what he characterizes as digital terrorism--to beat the band.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
Since Judy has hit the ground running in Gotta demonize anyone who thinks of me differently than I want to be thought of mode, I might as well pay homage to one of her classic ploys by providing a trans- lation of the rant below: TRANSLATION: They're laughing at me. Can't have that. Must do something. I know...ignore my own posting history...ignore the fact that I *admitted* that I still have bouts of anger that I cannot control a year after the thing I'm angry about...above all ignore the satire that has people laughing at me...and think of a new name to call the people laughing at me or box to consign them to so that hopefully more people won't join them in laughing at me. Yeah...that's the ticket. I win. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: An FFL classic. You've got three people, one after another--Barry, Sal, and do.rflex (actually Barry goes twice)--indulging in what Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo would characterize as up-is-downism, a near-complete and willful reversal of reality that they've convinced themselves to believe in. Not just with regard to the post they're commenting on, or my posting history here, but with regard to what happened out in the real world in the primaries. Talk about living in a small world in one's head! They can't even see far enough to notice what goes on right in front of their noses. It's a sickness that manifested with great virulence during the primaries and obviously is still deeply embedded in the psyches of Obama supporters. Is there a cure for it? I don't know, but if we can't find some way to treat those who are ill and keep them from passing the disease on to future generations, we're in very, very deep trouble. At one time it appeared to be quarantined among Republicans, but clearly it escaped, and it turns out that even lefty progressives aren't immune to it. If anybody wants me to point out all the reality- reversals in what follows, let me know, but I think most FFLers will be able to spot them easily (although, of course, you won't have the guts to speak up to contest them). And of course one mustn't expect Vaj to rear up and point out that these three posters are engaging in the poison-the-well fallacy--what he characterizes as digital terrorism--to beat the band. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: It occurred to me last night as I was reading Raunchy's post #219365 that the emotional component is not so much a matter of Hillary having lost as of *how* she lost, how incredibly unfairly and viciously she was treated by Obama's supporters--in the lefty blogs, by the Democratic Party, by the media, and of course by the right wingers, not to mention some of the people on FFL. And it wasn't just Hillary who was treated this way, it was her supporters as well. That left deep emotional scars (speaking of Barry's Cockburn quotes about tending to cause damage). Obama himself wasn't the instigator of most of it, but he did almost nothing to try to stop or mitigate it and even encouraged it at times. That's awfully hard to forgive. Not for sane people. It's OVER. Why aren't YOU over it? Hillary certainly is. No kidding. Hard to believe that almost a year after Hillary conceded the nomination, and over 6 months since Obama soundly whipped McCain's ass, this insanity still goes on, complete with ugly names for Obama's supporters and a mean-spirited set of attacks on the supporters as well as Obama himself that seems to veer at times precipitously close to a personal vendetta, ie an irrational hatred that is not receptive to any kind of logical discussion. Obama has become the new Barry. :) Now THAT had me LOL. :-) Doncha *feel* for him? FIFTEEN YEARS from now Obama, by then my age (63) and retired gracefully from two successful terms as President, will come through New Jersey on a speaking tour and Judy, by then 103 (or at least looking it) will attend and scream out from the audience, Liar! Don't you remember what you said in a speech back in 2008? [waving a printout] I have a copy of it right here! Obama will laugh at her. But Judy, deciding that his laughter and compassionate silence at encountering Yet Another Crazy is sub- mission, will decide that she won the encounter. Then, having gotten a taste of the thrill of victory, she'll start stalking him all over the world, appearing at every one of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Raunchy feels like shit because Hillary lost. And she wants us to feel like shit, too. That´s the bottom line. No, that is *not* the bottom line. Both Raunchy and I have been explicit that it isn't that Hillary lost, it's *how* she lost. Yes, we *do* want you to feel like shit about that. I'd like to thank Judy for validating the theory I proposed earlier in my first The *intent* of overly-emotional writing post and in the followup post she is replying to. She states above that both Raunchy and herself DO have an *intent* behind their harping on the Hillary Thang. She even states what that *intent* IS. She wants us to feel like shit. The thing is, I don't think Judy herself knows what the deeper nature of that wish and that *intent* is, so I'll rap about it a bit more, after she expands upon what her *intent* entails, from her point of view: We want you to acknowledge your ownership of the shit you threw at Hillary and her supporters, to be embarrassed by it, to realize just how shitty it was, and to repudiate it. Because *we don't want it to happen all over again when the next woman runs for president*. Get the point? We do, but I honestly don't think that you do. What you are expressing above has a name: REVENGE. You want REVENGE for the perceived wrong. And I don't think I'm the only person here who understands that you want it a great deal more than you want the wrong righted. In a few short words in this post Judy recapitulates her entire posting history, which is a 15-year attempt to get the folks she doesn't like to 1) ADMIT that they were wrong (and more important, but not stated, that Judy was right), and 2) PAY for having done the wrong thing. It's a REVENGE fantasy. And I, for one, do not believe that pursuing such fantasies with the diligence and fervor Judy has pursued them for fifteen years has anything whatsoever to do with righting wrongs and making sure they don't happen again. That's just sweet truth she shovels out to cover the fact that she's indulging in REVENGE fantasies. REVENGE isn't sweet, let alone Maharishi's sweet truth. Pursuing it is a state of mind that has known karmic repercussions. Like turning one's life into a *never-ending* quest for REVENGE, and thus perpetuating itself. Like draining the joy from life such that you can *only* find it in moments of perceived REVENGE. Like isolating the person bent on revenge from other people, who easily see what the revenge-seeker cannot -- that their life has devolved into *mainly* the pursuit of revenge. Like starting to see the world around you as *primarily* consisting of causes to seek REVENGE for. In short, it makes you Judy Stein. Those who want to turn out like her, follow her lead and dedicate your life to seeking REVENGE. You *will* turn out just like her. The reason why is a Law Of Nature, of cause- and-effect that has a short and simple name: karma. Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die. - Malachy McCourt
[FairfieldLife] Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
A word was used to describe our founder Rick recently, and that word has me still pondering its profundity several days later: equanimity. Rick personifies that word for me on this forum. He has been the target of any number of mean-spirited attacks on his character, and an equal number of equally mean-spirited interpretations of his moti- vations. But he almost *never* reacts defensively to such provocation. He responds to Nabby's attacks with humor and compassion, and to the interpretations of others with (at most) information about the thing being misunderstood to help the other person out if they want help, and again, not a hint of defensiveness. I think that this *consistent* behavior deserves a bit of praise and a bit of analysis of what it might mean. Especially when compared to the seeming legions of other posters on this forum whose posts are *mainly* about defending themselves. What -- one might ask -- is one defending when one gets defensive? In politics, since that ugly sport has raised its head again, one might make excuses of a sort for defending oneself. The sport is all *about* projecting an image (to win votes with), with spinning any criticism of that image (again, to win votes), and with counter-criticizing one's opponent's image (duh... to win votes). It's an ugly sport, with its basis in ego and projected self-importance, and thus such behavior can be considered a bit excusable. But on an obscure Internet forum that only about three dozen people read regularly? My suggestion is that when the above projecting an image, spinning the image, and counter-spinning an opponent's image tactics are used here *on a regular basis, as part of an obvious trend*, there are really only two terms for what is being defended. Those terms are ego and self importance. The person who feels that they have to compulsively and repetitively defend themself has a lot of self to defend. End of story. Rick doesn't have much self to defend. Therefore he rarely bothers to defend something that may not even exist, and that -- if it does -- is certainly not important enough to defend. Rick's equanimity on this forum reminds me of the classic tale of the Zen master Hakuin: Is That So? A beautiful girl in the village was pregnant. Her angry parents demanded to know who was the father. At first resistant to confess, the anxious and embarrassed girl finally pointed to Hakuin, the Zen master whom everyone previously revered for living such a pure life. When the outraged parents confronted Hakuin with their daughter's accusation, he simply replied Is that so? When the child was born, the parents brought it to Hakuin, who now was viewed as a pariah by the whole village. They demanded that he take care of the child since it was his responsibility. Is that so? Hakuin said calmly as he accepted the child. For many months he took very good care of the child until the daughter could no longer withstand the lie she had told. She confessed that the real father was a young man in the village whom she had tried to protect. The parents immediately went to Hakuin to see if he would return the baby. With profuse apologies they explained what had happened. Is that so? Hakuin said as he handed them the child. There is a power and a wisdom in Is that so? It shows a lack of attachment to self, and a sense of compassion for the person stating what they believe to be a fact. It shows that the persons saying it do not base their own self-worth on what others perceive as their self image, or even on what *they* perceive as their self image. It implies nothing but curiosity, like, Wow...do you really believe that about me? How curious. I must ponder this after I get through with more important tasks like sweeping the floor and fixing my website. Or not. Whatever. There is a power and a wisdom in Is that so? Those whose posting technique mainly consists of shouting That is not so! could benefit from turning the declaration into a question from time to time.
[FairfieldLife] Balanced emotion -- an homage to Marek
Since I'm doing praise the positive this morning instead of pointing out the negative, I thought I should expand on the issue I brought up yesterday about overly emotional people and those who seem to *indulge* in emotions and consider being overwhelmed by emotion not only a positive thing, but often a spiritual thing. I presented a few points about that negative spin on emotion. To balance them, today I'd like to present a counterpoint, and focus on a more positive aspect of emotion -- balance. Marek presents what I consider a fine example of balanced emotion on this forum. Although he has a formidable intellect, I'm pretty sure that no one here could ever think of him as stuck in his head or overly intellectual. His far-too-rare posts display a great deal of emotion IMO. And there are two things about Marek's use of and expression of emotion in his posts that for me scream Balance! The first is range. One day he'll post about the joy and exhilaration of surfing, and we can all feel that joy and exhilaration in what he writes. Another day he'll express an understandable (given his career as a public defender) outrage at unfair laws and those victimized by them. Another day he'll be excited enough about some cool link he's found on the Internet to want to share it with us. And another day...well...you get the picture. The dude has range. He doesn't just rerun the same old emotion over and over. The second is non-attachment to the emotions. The very fact that he *does* express different kinds of emotions in his posts indicates one important thing -- he can let go of the previous emotion, the one he wrote about the day before or the week before. Marek seems to understand and live the fact that emotions are not us, any more than fleeting thoughts are. They come, they go. We experience them while they're there -- put them on and wear them like an interesting outfit we're trying on at the store -- and then we *take them off* and put on a different set of emotional clothing. *None* of the clothes are us. *None* of the emotions are us. They're just things that flit across the self, none of them defining that self, and none of them defining the Self. Marek for me personifies a sense of balance in his display of and use of emotion that I find inspiring and uplifting. I think that there is much to be learned from appreciating it, and admiring it.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 2:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy Conventional wisdom says Obama was elected because he transcended race. Hogwash. If it hadn't been for MLK and LBJ and LAWS that forbid discrimination, and segregation, and many years of government and media effort to improve race relations, Obama would never have had a chance at the presidency. If Hillary had had the same protections against discrimination for her sex as Obama had for his race, without a doubt Hillary would have been treated more respectfully. No one transcends race or gender without some help from the LAW. We have become so sensitive as a nation about race that everyone tippy-toed to protect Obamba's sensibilities during the primary lest they wear the shameful name of racist. Obama used it to his advantage on several occasions and people were often falsely accused of racism if they didn't support Obama. Deplorable. http://tinyurl.com/2ve8jt Hillary had no such tippy-toeing around her. It was open season to attack her and the so called progressive Left and the complicit DNC didn't hold back firing as many cheap sexist shots as they could. Can you give us a few examples of these cheap sexist shots? If Hillary had campaigned as successfully as Obama, and he as unsuccessfully has she, she might have one. Her sex was not a critical variable, IMO. My impression was that campaign fatigue was eroding her judgment. She was knocking back shots and bragging about her experience with guns in order to appeal to rednecks. She drove her campaign deep into debt clinging to the hope of winning long after it was apparent that she couldn't. I could say similar things of McCain. By the end of the campaign, he was so burned out that he had become a walking caricature, saying my friends with every breath, making erratic decisions, and going on about Joe the Plumber. Obama became a bit incoherent at times, but for the most part, kept his cool and conducted a brilliant campaign to the end. Isn't campaigning partly about seeing how the candidates perform under duress, as a test of how they'll perform as president?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
Would you say that US is an egalatarian society with no gender discriminations, no glass ceilings.?? --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 5:24 AM Can you give us a few examples of these cheap sexist shots? If Hillary had campaigned as successfully as Obama, and he as unsuccessfully has she, she might have one. Her sex was not a critical variable, IMO. My impression was that campaign fatigue was eroding her judgment. She was knocking back shots and bragging about her experience with guns in order to appeal to rednecks. She drove her campaign deep into debt clinging to the hope of winning long after it was apparent that she couldn't. I could say similar things of McCain. By the end of the campaign, he was so burned out that he had become a walking caricature, saying my friends with every breath, making erratic decisions, and going on about Joe the Plumber. Obama became a bit incoherent at times, but for the most part, kept his cool and conducted a brilliant campaign to the end. Isn't campaigning partly about seeing how the candidates perform under duress, as a test of how they'll perform as president? *
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: snip Conventional wisdom says Obama was elected because he transcended race. Hogwash. If it hadn't been for MLK and LBJ and LAWS that forbid discrimination, and segregation, and many years of government and media effort to improve race relations, Obama would never have had a chance at the presidency. Don't forget Jesse Jackson, who was an activist for civil rights before Obama was even born and broke the ground Obama would later use to his own advantage, by making two very respectable runs for the Democratic nomination himself, with no nonsense about transcending race. As I said to OK earlier, it's no wonder Obama distanced himself from Jackson. Obama's record of accomplishments and his stands on progressive issues are pathetic compared to Jackson's: http://www.rainbowpush.org/about/revjackson.html http://www.4president.org/brochures/jessejackson1984brochure.htm http://tinyurl.com/os3wr6 snip The Equal Rights for Women Amendment was first proposed in 1923, it is still not part of the U.S. Constitution. Ratifying the ERA was a plank in Jackson's platform both times he ran.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
Thanks for the appreciative words, Barry. It so happens that that particular Zen story is one of my inspirations and I've told it often. The other day Judy mentioned that I must be really pissed because of something Raunchy said. It surprised me a bit that she would think I would get upset by something someone wrote here. As you say, it's just a little forum, and I might add that we're all just visitors on a little planet in a vast galaxy, a perspective trick I find useful. I often look at astronomy photos to broaden my perspective. If one can get a sense of how small we are in comparison to the actuality of things, it's hard to take oneself too seriously. Another thing is that I can usually find something to like in most people. Judy has many admirable qualities. I've known Raunchy personally for decades and I think she's a wonderful person. Nabby is the most entertaining guy here. I'd be disappointed if he left. I tend to think of people as sense organs of the infinite. Light that is one though the lamps be many, as the Incredible String Band put it. God wants to taste all varieties of experience, from the bum in the gutter to the President of the United States (little distinction in Raunchy's opinion). So from that perspective, all the clashing personalities on FFL and in the world at large aren't really clashing; they're just expressing various facets of a much larger, more inclusive perspective. God is entertaining himself. It's my understanding that Brahman incorporates all apparent opposites and polarities. I think the Vedic literature is written the way it is, with so many expectation-shattering stories, to culture the perspective that one's own little peephole on the Universe does not afford a view of the whole, and that therefore one should not take oneself too seriously.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy I think Obama is as progressive as he can get away with being. He's too radical for some people; not radical enough for others. I think he had a sense of how far he could push things and still get elected. Folks like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are great for getting progressive ideas out there, but they don't stand a chance of getting elected and actually being able to act on those ideas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: snip Conventional wisdom says Obama was elected because he transcended race. Hogwash. If it hadn't been for MLK and LBJ and LAWS that forbid discrimination, and segregation, and many years of government and media effort to improve race relations, Obama would never have had a chance at the presidency. Don't forget Jesse Jackson, who was an activist for civil rights before Obama was even born and broke the ground Obama would later use to his own advantage, by making two very respectable runs for the Democratic nomination himself, with no nonsense about transcending race. As I said to OK earlier, it's no wonder Obama distanced himself from Jackson. Obama's record of accomplishments and his stands on progressive issues are pathetic compared to Jackson's: http://www.rainbowpush.org/about/revjackson.html http://www.4president.org/brochures/jessejackson1984brochure.htm http://tinyurl.com/os3wr6 snip The Equal Rights for Women Amendment was first proposed in 1923, it is still not part of the U.S. Constitution. Ratifying the ERA was a plank in Jackson's platform both times he ran.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 2:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy Conventional wisdom says Obama was elected because he transcended race. Hogwash. If it hadn't been for MLK and LBJ and LAWS that forbid discrimination, and segregation, and many years of government and media effort to improve race relations, Obama would never have had a chance at the presidency. If Hillary had had the same protections against discrimination for her sex as Obama had for his race, without a doubt Hillary would have been treated more respectfully. No one transcends race or gender without some help from the LAW. We have become so sensitive as a nation about race that everyone tippy-toed to protect Obamba's sensibilities during the primary lest they wear the shameful name of racist. Obama used it to his advantage on several occasions and people were often falsely accused of racism if they didn't support Obama. Deplorable. http://tinyurl.com/2ve8jt Hillary had no such tippy-toeing around her. It was open season to attack her and the so called progressive Left and the complicit DNC didn't hold back firing as many cheap sexist shots as they could. Can you give us a few examples of these cheap sexist shots? Yikes! Rick just fell of the turnip truck. Either he wasn't paying attention or he would know a sexist attack on a woman if it bit him in the ass. In Message #219508 I referenced this: Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. I'm glad someone was keeping count, if only to serve as a reminder of the perils awaiting any woman brave enough to attempt a presidential run. If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. http://tinyurl.com/p4q7tt http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/05/hillary-sexism-watch-part-eighty.\ html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Thanks for the appreciative words, Barry. It so happens that that particular Zen story is one of my inspirations and I've told it often. Why am I not surprised? You live it. The other day Judy mentioned that I must be really pissed because of something Raunchy said. It surprised me a bit that she would think I would get upset by something someone wrote here. It surprises many people who aren't into the pursuit of revenge as a lifestyle. As you say, it's just a little forum, and I might add that we're all just visitors on a little planet in a vast galaxy, a perspective trick I find useful. I often look at astronomy photos to broaden my perspective. If one can get a sense of how small we are in comparison to the actuality of things, it's hard to take oneself too seriously. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour, That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned, A sun that is the source of all our power. The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see Are moving at a million miles a day In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour, Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'. Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars. It's a hundred thousand light years side to side. It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick, But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide. We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point. We go 'round every two hundred million years, And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions In this amazing and expanding universe. The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding In all of the directions it can whizz As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know, Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is. So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure, How amazingly unlikely is your birth, And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space, 'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth. Another thing is that I can usually find something to like in most people. Judy has many admirable qualities. Yes, she does. That is what is so pity-provoking when she doesn't use them. As a friend of mine used to say about a mutual acquaintance, The thing about W*** is that he never fails to disappoint. I've known Raunchy personally for decades and I think she's a wonderful person. I'm sure she is, when she isn't being monotopical. Nabby is the most entertaining guy here. In many ways, yes he is. As many have pointed out, we really wouldn't get much of the True TM True Believer point of view if he weren't here to provide it. I'd be disappointed if he left. As would I. I have given him shit over the years, but I really do feel a kind of weird affection for the guy. I tend to think of people as sense organs of the infinite. Some occasionally act more like the excretory organs of the infinite. :-) Light that is one though the lamps be many, as the Incredible String Band put it. I used to hang with Robin Williamson of the ICB back when I lived in L.A., post-TM period for me, post-Scientology and post-ICB period for him. He is really a remarkable and inspiring guy. God wants to taste all varieties of experience, from the bum in the gutter to the President of the United States (little distinction in Raunchy's opinion). http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=env=alT19_AzXFUgl=US Down at the bus station Shark grins and sandpaper conversation Men's faces women's bodies on the magazine stand And a headline about Sarajevo and Tehran They are radiant angels, they are earthly slaves They are predators moving in their endless days Days of striving, nights of novocaine Never going to bring them freedom from their pain - Bruce Cockburn ( If you have never heard Bruce's song Loner, listen to this and stick around until Hugh Marsh's solo at the end. It is one of the most amazing performances on the violin I have ever heard.) So from that perspective, all the clashing personalities on FFL and in the world at large aren't really clashing; they're just expressing various facets of a much larger, more inclusive perspective. You see the extremes Of what humans can be? In that distance some tension's born Energy surging like a storm You plunge your hand in And draw it back scorched Beneath it's shining like Gold but better Rumours of glory - Bruce Cockburn (No video available for this one, sorry.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 2:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy Conventional wisdom says Obama was elected because he transcended race. Hogwash. If it hadn't been for MLK and LBJ and LAWS that forbid discrimination, and segregation, and many years of government and media effort to improve race relations, Obama would never have had a chance at the presidency. If Hillary had had the same protections against discrimination for her sex as Obama had for his race, without a doubt Hillary would have been treated more respectfully. No one transcends race or gender without some help from the LAW. We have become so sensitive as a nation about race that everyone tippy-toed to protect Obamba's sensibilities during the primary lest they wear the shameful name of racist. Obama used it to his advantage on several occasions and people were often falsely accused of racism if they didn't support Obama. Deplorable. http://tinyurl.com/2ve8jt Hillary had no such tippy-toeing around her. It was open season to attack her and the so called progressive Left and the complicit DNC didn't hold back firing as many cheap sexist shots as they could. Can you give us a few examples of these cheap sexist shots? Yikes! Rick just fell of the turnip truck. Either he wasn't paying attention or he would know a sexist attack on a woman if it bit him in the ass. In Message #219508 I referenced this: Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. I'm glad someone was keeping count, if only to serve as a reminder of the perils awaiting any woman brave enough to attempt a presidential run. If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. http://tinyurl.com/p4q7tt http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/05/hillary-sexism-watch-part-eighty.\ html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 2:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy Conventional wisdom says Obama was elected because he transcended race. Hogwash. If it hadn't been for MLK and LBJ and LAWS that forbid discrimination, and segregation, and many years of government and media effort to improve race relations, Obama would never have had a chance at the presidency. If Hillary had had the same protections against discrimination for her sex as Obama had for his race, without a doubt Hillary would have been treated more respectfully. No one transcends race or gender without some help from the LAW. We have become so sensitive as a nation about race that everyone tippy-toed to protect Obamba's sensibilities during the primary lest they wear the shameful name of racist. Obama used it to his advantage on several occasions and people were often falsely accused of racism if they didn't support Obama. Deplorable. http://tinyurl.com/2ve8jt Hillary had no such tippy-toeing around her. It was open season to attack her and the so called progressive Left and the complicit DNC didn't hold back firing as many cheap sexist shots as they could. Can you give us a few examples of these cheap sexist shots? Yikes! Rick just fell of the turnip truck. Either he wasn't paying attention or he would know a sexist attack on a woman if it bit him in the ass. In Message #219508 I referenced this: Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. I'm glad someone was keeping count, if only to serve as a reminder of the perils awaiting any woman brave enough to attempt a presidential run. If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. http://tinyurl.com/p4q7tt http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/05/hillary-sexism-watch-part-eighty.\ html Correction: Yikes! Rick just fell of the turnip truck. Either he was NOT paying attention or he would NOT know a sexist attack on a woman if it bit him in the ass. And just to add a note lest we forget, even Barry admits Hillary endured sexist attacks as Judy so astutely observes in Message #219596: Barry: The sexist taunts at Hillary were designed to make her *followers* crazy. And they worked like a charm. Nothing loses a female politician more votes than a bunch of women running around screaming hysterically, They're playing dirty with my candidate, in a national election. Are you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: I think Obama is as progressive as he can get away with being. He's too radical for some people; not radical enough for others. I think he had a sense of how far he could push things and still get elected. Folks like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are great for getting progressive ideas out there, but they don't stand a chance of getting elected and actually being able to act on those ideas. Jackson came very close to winning the Democratic nomination with a much more progressive record and platform than Obama's *25 years ago*. Jackson didn't worry about how much he could get away with, he didn't calculate his positions by how far he thought he could push things. He just led on the basis of what he believed. Plus which, Obama's lukewarm progressivity has actually cooled still further now that he's *in* the White House. Pragmatism is all very well, but it can become paralyzing. It can also be an excuse for lack of courage and weak leadership. When Jackson ran, the same things were being said about him as about Paul and Kucinich: he wasn't supposed to have a chance. But he gave the more moderate candidates a real run for their money. The eventual nominees--Mondale and Dukakis--both lost the election (to Reagan and Bush I) because they were perceived to be weak leaders.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 23, 2009, at 9:22 AM, raunchydog wrote: Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. Oh yeah, that famous investigative reporter Melissa McEwan of Shakesville's blogspot. Did she get the Pulitzer? I was thinking she might. I read it on the internet so it must be true! I'm sure you can find instances to support most of your delusions on the internet RD. Someone's always getting their tit into the wringer over some inconsequential and exaggerated slight. That's a big part of what old-style feminism is about. Hillary just seemed to bring the whacky fems out of the closet in droves.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Thanks for the appreciative words, Barry. It so happens that that particular Zen story is one of my inspirations and I've told it often. The other day Judy mentioned that I must be really pissed because of something Raunchy said. It surprised me a bit that she would think I would get upset by something someone wrote here. As you say, it's just a little forum, and I might add that we're all just visitors on a little planet in a vast galaxy, a perspective trick I find useful. I often look at astronomy photos to broaden my perspective. If one can get a sense of how small we are in comparison to the actuality of things, it's hard to take oneself too seriously. Another thing is that I can usually find something to like in most people. Judy has many admirable qualities. I've known Raunchy personally for decades and I think she's a wonderful person. Nabby is the most entertaining guy here. I'd be disappointed if he left. I tend to think of people as sense organs of the infinite. Light that is one though the lamps be many, as the Incredible String Band put it. God wants to taste all varieties of experience, from the bum in the gutter to the President of the United States (little distinction in Raunchy's opinion). So from that perspective, all the clashing personalities on FFL and in the world at large aren't really clashing; they're just expressing various facets of a much larger, more inclusive perspective. God is entertaining himself. It's my understanding that Brahman incorporates all apparent opposites and polarities. I think the Vedic literature is written the way it is, with so many expectation-shattering stories, to culture the perspective that one's own little peephole on the Universe does not afford a view of the whole, and that therefore one should not take oneself too seriously. Thanks Rick. I like you too. I appreciate your perspective and I share it. Everyone plays a role, we dance and wear many hats throughout the day. I'll fiercely defend your peep hole into the universe today and argue against you with guns a-blazing the next. I play my role passionately. I embrace it and I honor your passion play as well. Opposites are the spice of life. By the way Obama is not a bum in the gutter, he's a corporate tool in the White House.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: The other day Judy mentioned that I must be really pissed because of something Raunchy said. Actually I said you were really pissed because I'd reposted your account of Obama's telling you he was going to repair the holes Bush had blasted in the Constitution. It surprised me a bit that she would think I would get upset by something someone wrote here. So it must also have surprised you that Raunchy and I objected to your suggestion that we criticize Obama only because we're angry that Hillary lost, and that we would never criticize Hillary if she were in office and doing the same things Obama is doing. I mean, why on earth should that have bothered us? You never had any intention of insulting us, right? snip I think the Vedic literature is written the way it is, with so many expectation-shattering stories, to culture the perspective that one's own little peephole on the Universe does not afford a view of the whole, and that therefore one should not take oneself too seriously. Because if you don't take yourself too seriously, you never need to take a stand on anything; you don't need to take any risks or fight any battles. The injustice and cruelty and suffering you see through your little peephole just doesn't matter in the larger scale of things; no need to exert yourself to remedy it. Q: If everything is perfect just as it is, why are we working so hard to change things? MMY: That too is perfect just as it is. ...There is no room for timidity. The fact that you might be wrong is simply no excuse: You might be right in your communication, and you might be wrong, but that doesn't matter. What does matter, as Kierkegaard so rudely reminded us, is that only by investing and speaking your vision with passion, can the truth, one way or another, finally penetrate the reluctance of the world. If you are right, or if you are wrong, it is only your passion that will force either to be discovered. It is your duty to promote that discovery--either way--and therefore it is your duty to speak your truth with whatever passion and courage you can find in your heart. You must shout, in whatever way you can. --Ken Wilber
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 9:22 AM, raunchydog wrote: Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. Oh yeah, that famous investigative reporter Melissa McEwan of Shakesville's blogspot. Did she get the Pulitzer? I was thinking she might. I read it on the internet so it must be true! Do you know what the term documented means, Vaj? There wasn't exactly any need for investigation to record the sexist attacks. They were quite open. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FLFv6-7ERXU/R4mi02Zm-mI/ACo/HC41kmfTrmY/s1600-h/oliphant.gif http://tinyurl.com/o4onev http://www.foulmouthshirts.com/New-shirts2/LIFES-A-BITCH-WHY-VOTE-FOR-ONE.htm http://tinyurl.com/pruusc http://www.hillarysanutcracker.com/hillarynutcracker http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004041541_hillaryslurs29.html http://tinyurl.com/2255bc You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out.--Barack Obama, February 2008
Re: [FairfieldLife] India
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: A friend of mine brought his elderly parents to India because they couldn't afford to live in the US. They lived like kings on $2000/month.: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003819509_indiahomes03.html Reading that article kept bringing to mind the thought that since India is so cheap, why not use it as a place to bring Heaven on Earth? We could get a bunch of Brahmin kids and teach them to do TM and the TM Sidhis and they could do program together in, say 25,000 at a time. And we could train them in the Vedas. Memorization and recitation. We could teach them how to do yagyas and have thousands of them do yagyas for world peace every day. It's an idea that can't fail. What do you think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Thanks for the appreciative words, Barry. It so happens that that particular Zen story is one of my inspirations and I've told it often. The other day Judy mentioned that I must be really pissed because of something Raunchy said. It surprised me a bit that she would think I would get upset by something someone wrote here. Another thought on this, and on why some folks seem to get the wisdom of Is that so? and others do not. I have found in my life that those who seem most driven to defend themselves when either criticized or when someone sees them differently than they like to see themselves *have rarely bucked the system*. And, in fact in spiritual contexts, they have often *submitted* to the system for many years, making compromises to do so. For example, in organizations with a bit (or a lot) of cultic nature to them, it is not unusual for members to regularly be expected to defend themselves to be considered a member in good standing. Do this long enough, and you get used to it and consider it normal. The people in my experience who most get the Is that so? thang are those who have gone through a period of doubting or who have shifted their priorities in life and have to some extent walked away from an organization that they were strongly committed to for many years. Those who have never done this in a spiritual context simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND how the shit hits the fan when you do. Former friends in the organization you are walking away from (or distancing yourself from) have a tendency to suddenly turn on you and start saying things you never imagined them capable of. Former close friends cross the street to avoid talking to you. You start to hear rumors about yourself that defy belief. Some people even say shit to your face, and call you traitor or worse for leaving the highest path. I had a brick thrown through one of my windows when I walked away from the Rama trip. At first your impulse is to defend yourself. After all, you don't *understand* how these former friends and fellow seekers can one day treat you as an equal and as a valued member of the spiritual community and path that you shared for years or decades and the next day treat you like you were a child molestor or the spawn of Satan. So you try to explain yourself. If you care about these people (even if you don't really care what they think of you), you try to tell them that nothing has really changed about who and what you are, or you even try to explain your reasons for having made the decision that you did. But it never works. Your reasons are invalid. There can *be* no valid reasons for walking away from the highest path. By doing so you have shamed yourself and shamed the holy trad- ition you walked away from. You are pond scum, lower than the lint in a snake's navel. Sound familiar, Rick? I'll bet it does. It would also sound familiar to any Catholic priest who decided to leave the priesthood. Or to any celibate monk from any tradition who fell in love and decided to get married. And I'll bet it sounds familiar to a lot of the posters on this forum who, one way or another, *have* distanced themselves from an organi- zation they once felt proud of being a part of and no longer can. Right? Depending on the length of time *since* they did this distancing, they probably understand Is that so? to a lesser or greater degree. After a while it's the only thing that makes sense. Yes men who CARE about being perceived as part of a tradition or organization feel the need to defend themselves. Those who really *aren't* a part of that tradition or organization do not. After a while all you *can* do when you encounter the hatred beamed at you by those who feel that by being true to yourself you somehow betrayed them is shrug and walk away -- the physical counterpart of saying Is that so? Or laugh, which in my opinion is the best possible way of saying the same thing. By laughing at those who attack you, you avoid the temptation to stoop to their level. And, if your walking away has taught you anything, you realize that *before* you walked away you were just like them. Laughing at them is a way of laughing at that part of yourself, and wishing it good riddance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip We want you to acknowledge your ownership of the shit you threw at Hillary and her supporters, to be embarrassed by it, to realize just how shitty it was, and to repudiate it. Because *we don't want it to happen all over again when the next woman runs for president*. Get the point? We do, but I honestly don't think that you do. What you are expressing above has a name: REVENGE. You want REVENGE for the perceived wrong. To have another woman run for president and not be the subject of vicious sexist attacks is what you consider REVENGE?? Boy, is *that* revealing. snip REVENGE isn't sweet, let alone Maharishi's sweet truth. Pursuing it is a state of mind that has known karmic repercussions. Like turning one's life into a *never-ending* quest for REVENGE, and thus perpetuating itself. Like draining the joy from life such that you can *only* find it in moments of perceived REVENGE. Like isolating the person bent on revenge from other people, who easily see what the revenge-seeker cannot -- that their life has devolved into *mainly* the pursuit of revenge. Like starting to see the world around you as *primarily* consisting of causes to seek REVENGE for. In short, it makes you Judy Stein. And not Barry Wright? guffaw Master of Inadvertent Irony...the gift that keeps on giving.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
Barry defends himself from the charge of up-is-downism by engaging in--wait for it!--up-is-downism. Like I just said, the gift that keeps on giving. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Since Judy has hit the ground running in Gotta demonize anyone who thinks of me differently than I want to be thought of mode, I might as well pay homage to one of her classic ploys by providing a trans- lation of the rant below: TRANSLATION: They're laughing at me. Can't have that. Must do something. I know...ignore my own posting history...ignore the fact that I *admitted* that I still have bouts of anger that I cannot control a year after the thing I'm angry about...above all ignore the satire that has people laughing at me...and think of a new name to call the people laughing at me or box to consign them to so that hopefully more people won't join them in laughing at me. Yeah...that's the ticket. I win. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 9:22 AM, raunchydog wrote: Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. Oh yeah, that famous investigative reporter Melissa McEwan of Shakesville's blogspot. Did she get the Pulitzer? I was thinking she might. I read it on the internet so it must be true! Do you know what the term documented means, Vaj? There wasn't exactly any need for investigation to record the sexist attacks. They were quite open. Yeah, Vaj. What the fuck is *wrong* with you, dude? Documented means something you can provide a link to, something that shows *exactly* what the person you're talking about said, in their own words. Sorta like this: http://tinyurl.com/pzhv6n Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's invalid. Right, Judy? Especially if all the words quoted as documentation are accurate. Right, Judy? Documented means it's true.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_re...@... wrote: Well Sal, you said you like the train wrecks. You must be in hog heaven right now. Judy is completely hysterical. Couldn't ask for a more perfect illustration of what I said: It occurs to me that men think emotions always block rational thought because it's true of *them*, so they assume it's true of women as well. Not really their fault; the culture tells them real men don't indulge in emotion, so when they experience emotion, it scares the pants off them. That crippling fear of not appearing manly is what prevents them from being able to think rationally *as well as* having emotions. snip Human beings have emotions, thank goodness. Women experience them fully and acknowledge them, own them; men deny them so as not to appear unmanly. But their emotions come out anyway. They just come out sideways.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip *Should* it never happen again? Sure. Will it? Of course. *Should* race never have been an issue with Obama? Sure. Was it? Of course. Nope, non sequitur, sorry. Obama was not the subject of racist attacks in the mainstream media and the lefty blogs, or from prominent Democrats. No comparison. He was a strong enough candidate to transcend race, and thus set the stage for race not being an issue in a presidential election ever again. Hillary was *not* a strong enough candidate to transcend her gender, and thus she did not do the same for women. Nope. Racism hasn't been acceptable as a public position in this society for quite some time before this election. If that hadn't been the case, Obama could never have won. Sexism, however, is still acceptable as a public position. No comparison. Were there any racist attacks on Obama and his supporters on FFL? Nope. Were there any sexist attacks on Hillary and her supporters on FFL? Scores. A lot of them from you. No comparison. All women who have entered politics have had to face this. The ones who are in office don't whine about the sexism they encountered the way you are doing. Hell, the *losers* -- often because of sexism -- don't whine about it the way you are doing. We aren't in office, nor did we lose an election. They aren't in a position to make a stink about what happened; we are. snip Winning helps. When a woman candidate for president comes along who is strong enough to transcend gender the way that Obama transcended race, *that* will help. For that to happen, sexism must first, like racism, become no longer publicly acceptable. That isn't the case now. It's *especially* not the case with you. And I'll probably vote for her. Your not supporting Hillary didn't have a thing to do with her not being strong enough to transcend gender. It had to do with *your* not being strong enough to transcend gender.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
Absolutely fascinating that Wednesday morning Vaj was railing against TMers poisoning the well, characterizing it as digital terrorism... ...and Wednesday evening, only 12 hours later, he's energetically filling the well to overflowing with barrel after barrel of his own special brand of anti-TMer poison. And not for the first time, either. (Or the last.) It's the hypocrisy, stupid. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip Why on earth would a successful meditator still have lingering destructive emotions months after the original stressor? Isn't part of the TM model that unstressing will help with this kind of thing? Was she even angrier before she started meditating? After 30 years? I'm sorry, that's odd to me. It's not working. If it was me, I would need to seriously reevaluate my meditation method even if I was really, really attached to it. And clearly, she's really, really attached to it--to her detriment and to those around her who have to continuously deal with the still unresolved kleshas. I guess this level of obscuration in consciousness could explain why she has such a difficult time seeing things clearly, unless they are very linear or black and white.
Re: [FairfieldLife] India
There is one problem. All brahmin kids become computer engineers and software programmers. Secondly the Vedas contain some high spiritual philosophy and also some useless prattle written by the influence of the intoxicating Soma plant. Thirdly, It is clearly forbidden by the Shastras to demonstrate Siddhis. It hinders spiritual growth. --- On Sat, 5/23/09, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] India Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 7:42 AM Reading that article kept bringing to mind the thought that since India is so cheap, why not use it as a place to bring Heaven on Earth? We could get a bunch of Brahmin kids and teach them to do TM and the TM Sidhis and they could do program together in, say 25,000 at a time. And we could train them in the Vedas. Memorization and recitation. We could teach them how to do yagyas and have thousands of them do yagyas for world peace every day. It's an idea that can't fail. What do you think? *
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 22, 2009, at 12:30 AM, raunchydog wrote: Vaj: Why on earth would a successful meditator still have lingering destructive emotions months after the original stressor? [He raped you, so what, get over it.] So experiencing Hillary loosing [losing] was like being RAPED? (Ain't it fascinating how the well-poisoners here carefully overlook what both Raunchy and I have repeatedly explained, that it wasn't Hillary losing that we're bugged about, but *how* she lost?) I'm sorry Raunch, but I do believe it's time for the therapists couch. Actually, it's time for the therapist's couch for men who are unable to understand that sexism is the basis of the act of rape. It's also time for the therapist's couch for men who aren't able to recognize that telling a woman to get over it when she's been *psychologically* raped is analogous to telling her the same thing when she's been *physically* raped.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The *intent* of overly-emotional writing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip OK...here's my theory: Such writing is an attempt to SHARE MINDSTATES. It's an attempt to *shift the state of attention* of the reader, and force them to share the writer's state of attention. And, while this is admirable if the writer is in a *good* state of attention, it's less admirable when they aren't. The *intent* of such writing then becomes, Here...read this. I want to bring you down to where I am, and I am not above using emotionally-manipulative language to do so. Aren't we lucky to have Barry here to explain to us the evils of attempting to bring down readers' state of attention? I mean, here he is, in an unfailingly *good* state of attention, never negative, never mean, never deceitful, never self-defensive, never attempting to portray anybody as *less* spiritual than he is, never using emotionally manipulative language. horselaugh It's the hypocrisy, stupid.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 9:22 AM, raunchydog wrote: Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. Oh yeah, that famous investigative reporter Melissa McEwan of Shakesville's blogspot. Did she get the Pulitzer? I was thinking she might. I read it on the internet so it must be true! Do you know what the term documented means, Vaj? There wasn't exactly any need for investigation to record the sexist attacks. They were quite open. Yeah, Vaj. What the fuck is *wrong* with you, dude? Documented means something you can provide a link to, something that shows *exactly* what the person you're talking about said, in their own words. Sorta like this: http://tinyurl.com/pzhv6n Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's invalid. Right, Judy? Especially if all the words quoted as documentation are accurate. Right, Judy? Documented means it's true. We should take bets on when she'll post out for the week. At this rate, it looks like she's on track to set another record. What a hoot!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 23, 2009, at 10:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 9:22 AM, raunchydog wrote: Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. Oh yeah, that famous investigative reporter Melissa McEwan of Shakesville's blogspot. Did she get the Pulitzer? I was thinking she might. I read it on the internet so it must be true! Do you know what the term documented means, Vaj? There wasn't exactly any need for investigation to record the sexist attacks. They were quite open. Yeah, Vaj. What the fuck is *wrong* with you, dude? Documented means something you can provide a link to, something that shows *exactly* what the person you're talking about said, in their own words. Sorta like this: http://tinyurl.com/pzhv6n Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's invalid. Right, Judy? Especially if all the words quoted as documentation are accurate. Right, Judy? Documented means it's true. Pretty funny. Pretty desperate. Boy I'm so glad I found out what a women-hater Obama was! I knew he had to be hidin' sometin. And here I thought he was married to someone who's an archetype for empowered women...silly me! RD and Judy: don't forget to hide your guns where Obama's negro army won't find them! They's a comin' for uze guns!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 9:22 AM, raunchydog wrote: Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. Oh yeah, that famous investigative reporter Melissa McEwan of Shakesville's blogspot. Did she get the Pulitzer? I was thinking she might. I read it on the internet so it must be true! Do you know what the term documented means, Vaj? There wasn't exactly any need for investigation to record the sexist attacks. They were quite open. Yeah, Vaj. What the fuck is *wrong* with you, dude? Documented means something you can provide a link to, something that shows *exactly* what the person you're talking about said, in their own words. Sorta like this: http://tinyurl.com/pzhv6n Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's invalid. Right, Judy? Especially if all the words quoted as documentation are accurate. Right, Judy? McEwan provides links to the original context so readers can judge for themselves whether her descriptions are accurate. Andrew didn't. Not his fault; I don't think it was possible way back then to link to Usenet posts (this was before the linkable Google archive). You could find them if you were willing to spend quite a bit of time at it, but he was counting on readers not wanting to be bothered doing that. He frequently truncated and/or distorted or outright misrepresented the context of what he quoted. Plus which, his quotes were taken from what were in most cases extended discussions on alt.m.t, not self- contained articles or segments of TV shows. Documented means it's true.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip Boy I'm so glad I found out what a women-hater Obama was! I knew he had to be hidin' sometin. And here I thought he was married to someone who's an archetype for empowered women...silly me! Silly you indeed. Very few of McEwen's examples are of anything *Obama* said. They're from the media and blogs and his surrogates. As I said before, he didn't instigate most of the trash- talking. But he didn't do anything to squash it, and from time to time he even encouraged it. He doesn't hate women; he's just an opportunist. RD and Judy: don't forget to hide your guns where Obama's negro army won't find them! They's a comin' for uze guns!
[FairfieldLife] The Land That Republicans Forgot
In 1984, Ronald Reagan won every Northeastern state. Since then, the leadership of the G.O.P. has systematically shed its idealists in favor of ideologues, reducing itself to the current Cheney-Limbaugh illusionati whose strategy is to exploit faith and ignorance by fanning fear and hatred. But, Northeasterners are not so easily duped. Voters there tend to be wealthier, better educated, less religious and more progressive than those in other regions. ~ Read the article by Charles Blow here http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/23/opinion/23blow.html?ref=opinion
[FairfieldLife] Curtis -- what is the power of music?
Curtis, Hopefully you're lurking. There's a mystery about music that perhaps you've considered far more deeply than I have; it's that music is so unfailingly meaningful yet has such severe limitations on where its buzz-yer-brain qualities are useful for impacting reality. Play even one measure of ANY piece of music and have ANYONE listen to it, and that person will have a point of view about the music's meaning to him/her. The music will be easily characterized by any listener in a fashion that is consistent within for them -- but not necessarily mono-meaningfully consistent socially speaking. Even a young child can tell you if a few notes are happy or sad, or whatever, and their inner musical-Rosetta-Stone will be remarkably consistent in labeling other musical passages. Whether it is merely the beat or the voices/instruments used or whatever, it seems that each piece of music is utterly unique and unwaveringly precise in its presentation of message to listeners, yet everyone understands any music the very first time it is played. Not that any two listeners will agree on what words best describe a piece of music, but that each person will have some sort of inner process that seems to be rule driven and idiosyncratic. Given the absolutism of music on a personal level -- meaning: the same music will produce the same brain response for at least a few repetitions before jaded becomes an eroding dynamic -- I'm mystified that music has not been very potent as a psychologically therapeutic tool. It's the old music soothes the savage breast concept. Why can't music be used to impact psychology very strongly when it seems to have such power to symbolize -- nay, even embody and be -- emotions? Music is so emotional that I find it hard to believe that emotions in general are not perceived as musical. If I'm feeling an emotion, say, love, it seems like music is playing in that my mind has a soundtrack that harmonizes with conceptual content (lyrics?) Yet, it is rare to have folks describe their feelings with musical terminology, e.g. I'm feeling sotto voce stacatto love. It might be a cool thingie, eh? My main question is: we know that we can get a crowd all tapping their feet and seemingly having the same emotions when listening to a piece, but we also know that the priest along with the serial killer in the crowd -- though sharing a musically triggered mood -- do not come away from the listening experience with any measurable change in their personalities -- so, WHY NOT? How can music have such power to trigger one's inner state, but be so seemingly impotent when it comes to having a measurable impact. I don't see any school of psychology doing anything like, say, the torture technique in A Clockwork Orange by pouring music and imagery into a brain and having that impact personality. I see no evidence of music soothing any breasts at all except while the music is being actually played. To me it is astounding that someone can listen to a full orchestration of a symphony by Mozart and not be driven sane. Where's the beef, ya know? Why doesn't music stick? My working theory is that music, like ordinary life experiences, can have a power to gradually nudge a personality, but that it would take a hell of a lot to get measurable results. Maybe if a person tried to mindfully listen to Mozart in a nuanced fashion like initiators are trained to be mindfully listening to the puja as they sing it, then Mozart could be a great healer. Don't know -- and so I ask your opinion. Edg in that music that they interpret as, say, happy, will be found
[FairfieldLife] The 83 Waterboardings of Abu Zubaydah
From The New York Observer: The 83 Waterboardings of Abu Zubaydah By Jonathan Bines May 19, 2009 | 2:04 p.m The following is a transcript of notes taken at the interrogation of Al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah. It was released by the C.I.A. at the request of Vice President Dick Cheney in order to demonstrate the effectiveness of enhanced interrogation techniques approved by the president. 1. Ha! Is this waterboard supposed to scare me? You think I don't know that you are constrained by U.S. and international law from ever actually 2. Hey! What the [redacted]?! 3. No, seriously. What the [redacted]?! 4. You're Americans! Who do you think you are? Us? 5. You can't do this! Show me the authorization for you to do this! 6. Wow. O.K., technically, you can do this. Although the quality of the legal work in these memos is shoddy at... 7. Enough! I beg of you! Stop the torture! 8. O.K., fine. Then stop the enhanced technique! 9. Please! For the love of God, I can't take any more of this harsh treatment which does not rise to the level of torture! 10. Could you loosen my left medieval iron shackle? It's digging in. 11. You're not even doing it right! You have to tilt the head forward so that the victim's throat is... 12. Fine! Fine! Do it your way! But don't blame me if I don't experience the unspeakable horror of my own imminent death. 13. Is that a video camera? 14. It is! You're filming this? 15. Waitam I being Punk'd? Ashton? Really, Ashton... 16. Are you going to post this on the Web? Because I can hook you up with the guy who does our online work. 17. You're wasting your time! I already told those F.B.I. guys everything I know! 18. I'm telling you, I don't know anything else! 19. I don't know anything! 20. I don't know anything! 21. I don't know anything! 22. Would you tell that bald guy in the corner to stop grinning? 23. Still don't know anything. 24. Reply hazy, try again. 25. Ask again later. 26. Better not tell you now. 27. Cannot predict now. 28. Concentrate and ask again. 29. Nothing. 30. Nada. 31. Drawing a blank. 32. Honestly, I'd love to help, but... 33. Nothing is springing immediately to mind. 34. Thirty-fourth time's a charm? 35. I get it. Waterboard me once, shame on you. Waterboard me 35 times, shame on... 36. For the last time, I don't know anything! 37. O.K.! O.K.! I do know things! Lots of things! Like Osama Bin Laden...loves...yogurt. 38. Actually, he's a vegan! He takes a lot of ribbing for it from the guys... 39. No good? O.K., listen. There is a ticking time bomb in Grand Central Station! If you hurry you can stop it! 40. How should I know where? Just listen until you hear the ticking! 41. Well, you put me on the spot! Give me a few minutes, I'll come up with something more plausible. 42. O.K., fine. Fine. I'll tell you whatever you want to know. What do you want to know? 43. Never mind. I'll guess. You want to know about...a plot. 44. An operation! 45. A conspiracy? 46. An intrigue! 47. An infiltration! 48. A dust-up! A brouhaha! A kerfuffle! 49. For the love of God, give me a hint! 50. A finger? Why is the bald guy holding up a... 51. One finger...one finger...First word! First word! Three syllables! 52. Two syllables! Sorrymy vision is a little blurry. First syllable...frown! Frowning! 53. Angry? 54. Unhappy. 55. Disconsolate. 56. Morose. 57. Sad! Sad? Yes! Second syllable...ear! 58. Crap! Sounds like! Sounds like! Sounds like...oink? 59. Pig? Sounds like pig? 60. Eating pig! Pork! 61. Sausage! 62. Bacon! 63. Chitterlings! 64. Prosciutto? 65. Ham! Ham! Sounds like ham! Sad Ham! Sad ham? 66. SADDAM! Saddam Hussein! It's Saddam Hussein! So what about him? 67. O.Knine fingers. Ten fingers. 68. Eleven! Nine. Eleven...Twenty? 69. Wait. I got it! Nine-eleven! You want me to implicate Saddam Hussein in the attacks of 9/11? But that's ridiculous. Osama and Saddam never so much as... 70. You know, now that you mention it, I think I may remember a telegram... 71. Phone conversation... 72. Email exchanges... 73. Series of coffees? 74. Lunch on the verandah of the Basra Palace! 75. Fantasy football league! 76. They were lovers! Saddam and Osama were lovers! 77. O.K.! Enough! I'll tell you everything! The truth is, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden were engaged in a high-level operational relationship to coordinate the transfer of conventional weapons... 78. Chemical weapons... 79. Biological weapons... 80. Nuclear weapons? You expect anyone to believe... 81. But Saddam didn't have any... 82. ...nuclear weapons to terrorists who intended to use them to destroy a major American city and were saved by the brave actions of your American president, George Bush! We good? 83. Bastards.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: The other day Judy mentioned that I must be really pissed because of something Raunchy said. Actually I said you were really pissed because I'd reposted your account of Obama's telling you he was going to repair the holes Bush had blasted in the Constitution. It surprised me a bit that she would think I would get upset by something someone wrote here. So it must also have surprised you that Raunchy and I objected to your suggestion that we criticize Obama only because we're angry that Hillary lost, and that we would never criticize Hillary if she were in office and doing the same things Obama is doing. I mean, why on earth should that have bothered us? You never had any intention of insulting us, right? snip I think the Vedic literature is written the way it is, with so many expectation-shattering stories, to culture the perspective that one's own little peephole on the Universe does not afford a view of the whole, and that therefore one should not take oneself too seriously. Because if you don't take yourself too seriously, you never need to take a stand on anything; you don't need to take any risks or fight any battles. The injustice and cruelty and suffering you see through your little peephole just doesn't matter in the larger scale of things; no need to exert yourself to remedy it. Q: If everything is perfect just as it is, why are we working so hard to change things? MMY: That too is perfect just as it is. ...There is no room for timidity. The fact that you might be wrong is simply no excuse: You might be right in your communication, and you might be wrong, but that doesn't matter. What does matter, as Kierkegaard so rudely reminded us, is that only by investing and speaking your vision with passion, can the truth, one way or another, finally penetrate the reluctance of the world. If you are right, or if you are wrong, it is only your passion that will force either to be discovered. It is your duty to promote that discovery--either way--and therefore it is your duty to speak your truth with whatever passion and courage you can find in your heart. You must shout, in whatever way you can. --Ken Wilber I love these quotes. Thanks, Judy. I admire your debating skills immensely. You are fearless. Taking a stand on principle against injustice and speaking passionately as well as rationally about your beliefs means debating opponents vigorously. Other than Curtis, very few people on FFLife have the courage to squeeze their truth through the sieve of ideas along with yours. Perhaps they are afraid their ideas will not survive the press. Sadly, they may never know the joy of confluence, the merging, and reconciliation of differences. Just know that whatever makes is through the sieve is golden.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras and their Fertilizers: The Mechanics of TM
off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: scienceofabundance wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: So, let's review: in basic TM you get the single seed sound and the fertilizer and you get the simple instructions for the correct angle to dive. You do NOT get any supposed 'nicknames of the gods', or any esoteric metaphysics. I still don't see why the single sound [BTW, I never did get a single soundI must have received a special deal.] needs a fertilizer - a word that was the only answer ever given by TM teachers - as if repeating the same word over and over again would make the mechanics obvious. Could you explain your reasoning as to 1) why the fertilizer is needed; 2) how it works - rather than simply repeating the word fertilizer? Repetition is not explanation (except maybe for some TM teachers:). I have never been asked to discriminate among all the elements of my mantra/fertilizers - following your classification - when meditating (not that I could anyway), so I meditate with the technique given and my combination of fertilizers with meanings and one meaningless sound. Can you explain your reasoning as to what effect the fertilizers - which have meaning - have on the technique of TM? Since one of the principal repetitions/explanations of the TMO is the importance of a meaningless sound/mantra, the effects of using such a mantra with fertilizers that _have_ meaning needs some explanation to have your reasoning make sense. [Another piece of information that I recall hearing repeatedly in the TMO was that the TM technique consisted of 1) a mantra; and 2) a technique to use the mantra. Based on your classification, my TM technique consists of 1) a mantra and some fertilizers; and 2) a technique to use these mantras/fertilizers. However, I definitely don't remember that description ever being given.] Science Pardon me for butting in with your fun with Willy who really has no clue when it comes to mantra shastra but the advanced techniques are more like the mantras traditionally given to the public by yogis and tantrics in India. Except that the ones given by yogis and tantrics have Omkara: begin with Om which contrary to popular belief does not cause poverty. Especially if you don't know how to incant it properly. Then it has very little effect whatsoever. OffWorld Om rhymes with home but a lot of people probably seeing it spelled aum pronounce it as if it rhymes with bomb and with that pronunciation makes it in Sanskrit a word for fruit. :-D That's as maybe. But if you don't know how to incant it properly. Then it has very little effect whatsoever. OffWorld That's what the guru is for.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 23, 2009, at 12:48 AM, satvadude108 wrote: Well Sal, you said you like the train wrecks. You must be in hog heaven right now. Judy is completely hysterical. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] India
It's just a ride wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: A friend of mine brought his elderly parents to India because they couldn't afford to live in the US. They lived like kings on $2000/month.: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003819509_indiahomes03.html Reading that article kept bringing to mind the thought that since India is so cheap, why not use it as a place to bring Heaven on Earth? We could get a bunch of Brahmin kids and teach them to do TM and the TM Sidhis and they could do program together in, say 25,000 at a time. And we could train them in the Vedas. Memorization and recitation. We could teach them how to do yagyas and have thousands of them do yagyas for world peace every day. It's an idea that can't fail. What do you think? IOW, pundits? :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] India
I agree too. I went in 1996 for three weeks. More like putting my toe in the pool rather than taking a headlong dive and it was with a really small tour so we got to adjust it to our liking. I could probably live there and in fact for a while my guru was hot on the idea of buying a small modern cottage outside of Hardwar because his guru was going to do that and I could do it too (for $5K). But that idea never materialized. Also the whole area is so unstable you're more likely to see nukes flying overhead than about anyplace else. But I'd be up for some more visits sometime. The funny thing was the last time my guru returned he came back early and when I asked why he said too hot! IOW, he had become acclimated to this part of California and could no longer take the excessive heat of Calcutta in this case. :-D Mike Dixon wrote: Kuldipwhut up dude? I think we are both on the same page about India. Just not a place too many western born people could just up and move to and live the rest of their lives well. That's why I suggested to visit for a couple or three weeks first and then really think about it... a long time. What I find interesting is how much India changed from the first time I went there, '73 and the last time in '96. Paradise lost! In 1973 there were fewer western influences, with the exception of what the British left behind, and the people seemed so much happier and friendlier, even though, they were very poor and lived very simple lives. The only unpleasant thing I remember was everybody cooked on cow dung stoves and you would cough to death at super time. But 96 was a different story. The population had doubled and I don't think anybody had swept the streets since I was last there! The once white buildings were caked with soot and plastered with layers of Bollywood posters and every person I looked in the eye, I saw great big $'s in their eyes, Cha Ching! I was a westerner and for I all they knew, I was Bill Gates! But, I have to admit , I met a lot of very nice people and some very special ones to! --- On Sat, 5/23/09, kuldip jhala kulls2...@yahoo.co.in wrote: From: kuldip jhala kulls2...@yahoo.co.in Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] India To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 12:54 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: The other day Judy mentioned that I must be really pissed because of something Raunchy said. Actually I said you were really pissed because I'd reposted your account of Obama's telling you he was going to repair the holes Bush had blasted in the Constitution. It surprised me a bit that she would think I would get upset by something someone wrote here. So it must also have surprised you that Raunchy and I objected to your suggestion that we criticize Obama only because we're angry that Hillary lost, and that we would never criticize Hillary if she were in office and doing the same things Obama is doing. I mean, why on earth should that have bothered us? You never had any intention of insulting us, right? snip I think the Vedic literature is written the way it is, with so many expectation-shattering stories, to culture the perspective that one's own little peephole on the Universe does not afford a view of the whole, and that therefore one should not take oneself too seriously. Because if you don't take yourself too seriously, you never need to take a stand on anything; you don't need to take any risks or fight any battles. The injustice and cruelty and suffering you see through your little peephole just doesn't matter in the larger scale of things; no need to exert yourself to remedy it. You nailed it. I saw the weasel in Rick's post as well, and I gave him a pass on it. I admit to making nice with him at the time. I'm glad you caught the varmint. An excellent specimen, indeed. I agree with Rick's peephole into the universe concept so far as the play of opposites is concerned but not as an excuse for weakly weaseling, Oh, it's just a game, so why should I care. I hope to I care with all my heart or I fear I would live with out a conscience to right what is wrong or aspire to be a champion for those less fortunate. Hillary is my champion. She has set the bar very high for women to follow. I only hope the Left has not set the bar so low in the gutter that the next woman cannot run a successful presidential campaign. Q: If everything is perfect just as it is, why are we working so hard to change things? MMY: That too is perfect just as it is. ...There is no room for timidity. The fact that you might be wrong is simply no excuse: You might be right in your communication, and you might be wrong, but that doesn't matter. What does matter, as Kierkegaard so rudely reminded us, is that only by investing and speaking your vision with passion, can the truth, one way or another, finally penetrate the reluctance of the world. If you are right, or if you are wrong, it is only your passion that will force either to be discovered. It is your duty to promote that discovery--either way--and therefore it is your duty to speak your truth with whatever passion and courage you can find in your heart. You must shout, in whatever way you can. --Ken Wilber I love these quotes. Thanks, Judy. I admire your debating skills immensely. You are fearless. Taking a stand on principle against injustice and speaking passionately as well as rationally about your beliefs means debating opponents vigorously. Other than Curtis, very few people on FFLife have the courage to squeeze their truth through the sieve of ideas along with yours. Perhaps they are afraid their ideas will not survive the press. Sadly, they may never know the joy of confluence, the merging, and reconciliation of differences. Just know that whatever makes is through the sieve is golden.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 12:48 AM, satvadude108 wrote: Well Sal, you said you like the train wrecks. You must be in hog heaven right now. Judy is completely hysterical. :) Sal Come on Sal. Show some courage. Let's see you make one coherent sentence exclaiming the joys of wallowing in hog heaven. Your point of view from the mud would be of great interest to all the Judy detractors too cowardly to take her on. Show your stuff. Be their champion. Debate her on the substantive issues of her recent posts, concerning sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. I dare you. Oh never mind, Judy could mop the floor with you while sipping a tequila sunrise and dreaming of sunny beaches.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 23, 2009, at 12:54 PM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 12:48 AM, satvadude108 wrote: Well Sal, you said you like the train wrecks. You must be in hog heaven right now. Judy is completely hysterical. :) Sal Come on Sal. Show some courage. Let's see you make one coherent sentence exclaiming the joys of wallowing in hog heaven. Oink. Your point of view from the mud would be of great interest to all the Judy detractors too cowardly to take her on. Show your stuff. Be their champion. Debate her on the substantive issues of her recent posts, concerning sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. I dare you. Oh never mind, Judy could mop the floor with you while sipping a tequila sunrise and dreaming of sunny beaches. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
TurquoiseB wrote: A word was used to describe our founder Rick recently, and that word has me still pondering its profundity several days later: equanimity. Rick is the host of this group. Ever hosted a group, Barry? You would probably respond differently too if you ran a forum or group. Maybe Rick is that way all the time or maybe he is hell on wheels on some other forums under a different handle. I'm fine with either. My suggestion is that when the above projecting an image, spinning the image, and counter-spinning an opponent's image tactics are used here *on a regular basis, as part of an obvious trend*, there are really only two terms for what is being defended. Those terms are ego and self importance. You really seem to be really hung up on this nowadays. Why is it so important to you? People post for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes what you must be seeing as defense is just someone playing with somebody or giving them a little shit just for the fun of it. In the theme of your subject why not just let people be as they are? Self confidence can often be mistaken for ego and it certainly is not. If you have expertise in a subject why not share it? Making people paranoid of their ego is not going to make them enlightened. Maybe with some here the only time during the week they have to focus on the small self is to defend some POV they made here. That's pretty good advancement to me. I try to read some of your blogs nowadays but they just seem to degenerate into either your love affair with Judy or comparing participants with FFL with whatever theme the blog has. That's your prerogative but I just move on at that point. And what is happening in Sitges nowadays? We aren't hearing much about that place anymore for some reason. Just giving you a little shit.. for the fun of it. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: And what is happening in Sitges nowadays? We aren't hearing much about that place anymore for some reason. i think Barry realized shortly after coming down from his high on initially escaping to Sitges, is that he came along too.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Famous residents of FF
The Wikipedia entry for Fairfield, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfield,_Iowa lists the following as its notable residents: - Dave Despain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Despain, auto racing commentator on SPEED http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPEED_TV - Milo Hamilton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Hamilton, baseball announcer (b. 1927) - David Rosenboom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rosenboom, composer (b. 1947) - Pamela Levy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Levy, Israeli painter (b. 1949) - John Hagelin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagelin, quantum physicist, former United States Presidential Candidate (b. 1954) - Richard Beymer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Beymer, actor (b. 1938) - Ben Foster http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Foster_%28actor%29, actor (b. 1980) These are indeed notable. Take Pamela Levy, for example. Her Widipedia entry says that Levy died in 2004 in Jerusalem of heart failurehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_failure How do you reside in FF while deceased?
[FairfieldLife] MUM's 100% Organic Food Service Inspires Industry Change
Achievements http://www.mum.edu/achievements/images/email_banner_new.jpg The latest developments from Maharishi University of Management u http://www.mum.edu/achievements/images/email_header.jpg MAY 22, 2009 ISSUE 36 http://www.mum.edu University Website Photo1 http://www.mum.edu/achievements/images/2009_05_22_photo01.jpg The campus greenhouse provides some of the organic vegetables Photo3 http://www.mum.edu/achievements/images/2009_05_22_photo02.jpg Diners line up for the all-organic vegetarian offerings Photo1 http://www.mum.edu/achievements/images/2009_05_22_photo03.jpg Students dining in the Annapurna Dining Commons Photo1 http://www.mum.edu/achievements/images/2009_05_22_photo04.jpg Diners at the Vishwa Shanti Café also run by Aladdin MUMs 100% Organic Food Service Inspires Industry Change The MUM food service, which has been under the management of Aladdin Food Management Services since last summer, was featured earlier this year in http://food-management.com/segments/colleges/whole_earth_campus_0109/ Food Management Magazine. The article recognized that no other university can match MUMs commitment to organic vegetarian dining. Student favorites include Pizza, Mexican dishes and the salad bar. Students said that the food tastes better than before and there is more variety, and that its healthy and makes me feel good. One student said, One of the reasons why I came here is because I wanted a vegetarian environment. According to University Vice-President Craig Pearson, Aladdin has been so inspired by what they have done at MUM with organic vegetarian food that they decided to make this their market niche. Mr. Pearson said that Michael Bailey, who is CEO of The Trusthouse Services Group that owns Aladdin, and who is very prominent in the food service industry worldwide, made this decision after visiting campus last fall. Aladdin is leveraging its experience with MUM to extend organic offerings at its other accounts. A pilot project launched in January introduced an organic component to salad bars and organic entree choices to a small number of the companys other university and private school accounts. Jim McKee, an Aladdin vice president, said that the pilot project rolled out with great success and that the students, faculty, and staff are excited to have this offering in a board meal program. This modified program is probably two years ahead of the industry. I still maintain that MUM's 100 percent organic is 10 years ahead of where the rest of the world needs to be. It is the right thing to do, and Im glad to be a part of it. Aladdin plans to roll out its modified program to its other accounts across the U.S. in the fall. To unsubscribe, click here mailto:developm...@mum.edu?subject=unsubscribe http://www.mum.edu/achievements/images/email_bottom.jpg Development Office http://www.mum.edu/donors , Maharishi University of Management, Fairfield, IA 52557 641-472-1180 SMMaharishi University of Management is a trademark licensed to Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corporation, a 501(c)(3) non-profit educational organization. image001.png
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras and their Fertilizers: The Mechanics of TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: snip Especially if you don't know how to incant it properly. OffWorld Is it really bad if I can't incant properly? Science
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: Well Sal, you said you like the train wrecks. You must be in hog heaven right now. Judy is completely hysterical. Couldn't ask for a more perfect illustration of what I said: It occurs to me that men think emotions always block rational thought because it's true of *them*, so they assume it's true of women as well. Not really their fault; the culture tells them real men don't indulge in emotion, so when they experience emotion, it scares the pants off them. That crippling fear of not appearing manly is what prevents them from being able to think rationally *as well as* having emotions. snip Human beings have emotions, thank goodness. Women experience them fully and acknowledge them, own them; men deny them so as not to appear unmanly. But their emotions come out anyway. They just come out sideways. Are your editorial skills failing or is this one of your oft used slippery and slimy diversions? Lets consult, your friend and mine, Mr. Dictionary. hysterical : 1) deriving from or affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion. Uncontrolled extreme emotion. Calm down. Take a deep breath or three and you may be able to discern the difference between emotion and hysteria.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras and their Fertilizers: The Mechanics of TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: snip Especially if you don't know how to incant it properly. Is it really bad if I can't incant properly? It can have unforeseen side effects. I knew a guy who was slightly hard of hearing and, while in India, received a mantra that was supposed to help enlarge your sense of compassion. But he couldn't hear the guru properly when he gave him the mantra. Too timid to ask him to repeat it, he did the best he could with what he thought the right pronunciation of the mantra was. After about six months he had noticed no enlargement of his sense of compassion at all. But his dick had grown six inches. Bastard would never tell me the mantra or how he was pronouncing it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 9:22 AM, raunchydog wrote: Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. Oh yeah, that famous investigative reporter Melissa McEwan of Shakesville's blogspot. Did she get the Pulitzer? I was thinking she might. I read it on the internet so it must be true! Do you know what the term documented means, Vaj? There wasn't exactly any need for investigation to record the sexist attacks. They were quite open. Yeah, Vaj. What the fuck is *wrong* with you, dude? Documented means something you can provide a link to, something that shows *exactly* what the person you're talking about said, in their own words. Sorta like this: http://tinyurl.com/pzhv6n Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's invalid. Right, Judy? Especially if all the words quoted as documentation are accurate. Right, Judy? Documented means it's true. We should take bets on when she'll post out for the week. At this rate, it looks like she's on track to set another record. What a hoot! Out of control. Hysterical. Calling it a train wreck doesn't come close to describing this mindstate. Sal must be quite entertained today.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: Well Sal, you said you like the train wrecks. You must be in hog heaven right now. Judy is completely hysterical. Couldn't ask for a more perfect illustration of what I said: It occurs to me that men think emotions always block rational thought because it's true of *them*, so they assume it's true of women as well. Not really their fault; the culture tells them real men don't indulge in emotion, so when they experience emotion, it scares the pants off them. That crippling fear of not appearing manly is what prevents them from being able to think rationally *as well as* having emotions. snip Human beings have emotions, thank goodness. Women experience them fully and acknowledge them, own them; men deny them so as not to appear unmanly. But their emotions come out anyway. They just come out sideways. Are your editorial skills failing or is this one of your oft used slippery and slimy diversions? Are those my only two choices? Lets consult, your friend and mine, Mr. Dictionary. hysterical : 1) deriving from or affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion. Uncontrolled extreme emotion. Calm down. Take a deep breath or three and you may be able to discern the difference between emotion and hysteria. Yeah, see, I think you're missing my point. The post you were responding to wasn't even *emotional*, let alone hysterical. But it sure freaked *you* out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: And what is happening in Sitges nowadays? We aren't hearing much about that place anymore for some reason. i think Barry realized shortly after coming down from his high on initially escaping to Sitges, is that he came along too.:-) Heh. We've seen this happen over and over again, first after he escaped from the U.S. to Paris (that was on alt.m.t), then after his escape from Paris to that little French town, and now after his escape from the little French town to Sitges. He didn't keep us informed of whatever moves he was making while he was still in the U.S., but he kept changing his handle at regular intervals, which may have been a symptom of the same realization. It doesn't seem to stick, though...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: snip I love these quotes. Thanks, Judy. I admire your debating skills immensely. You are fearless. Taking a stand on principle against injustice and speaking passionately as well as rationally about your beliefs means debating opponents vigorously. Other than Curtis, very few people on FFLife have the courage to squeeze their truth through the sieve of ideas along with yours. Perhaps they are afraid their ideas will not survive the press. Sadly, they may never know the joy of confluence, the merging, and reconciliation of differences. Just know that whatever makes is through the sieve is golden. Thanks for the kind words...we seem to have a mutual admiration society going on here, because I could say the same about you. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 22, 2009, at 12:30 AM, raunchydog wrote: Vaj: Why on earth would a successful meditator still have lingering destructive emotions months after the original stressor? [He raped you, so what, get over it.] So experiencing Hillary loosing [losing] was like being RAPED? (Ain't it fascinating how the well-poisoners here carefully overlook what both Raunchy and I have repeatedly explained, that it wasn't Hillary losing that we're bugged about, but *how* she lost?) I'm sorry Raunch, but I do believe it's time for the therapists couch. Actually, it's time for the therapist's couch for men who are unable to understand that sexism is the basis of the act of rape. It's also time for the therapist's couch for men who aren't able to recognize that telling a woman to get over it when she's been *psychologically* raped is analogous to telling her the same thing when she's been *physically* raped. The Election of 2008, had nothing to do with anyone getting raped! There was no raping which was reported... Your psychological tortured rape is all in your mind, from either this lifetime's experience, or a past lifetime(s)... It has nothing to do with the election of Barack Obama. Hillary is doing fine, and doesn't appear to be traumitized by the election and loves her job as Secretary of State and close confident of Barack Obama. Hillary's whole schtick was that, I'm a woman, so elect me. It wasn't enough. She needed a message besides that one. She was not inspirational and became a focus for female angst. Then along comes Sarah Palin, who made a complete mockery of the notion of a woman as a leader...as she seemed to be leading through pure seduction and fear...what a joke! There are many woman of power in the Obama White House... You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip I think the Vedic literature is written the way it is, with so many expectation-shattering stories, to culture the perspective that one's own little peephole on the Universe does not afford a view of the whole, and that therefore one should not take oneself too seriously. Because if you don't take yourself too seriously, you never need to take a stand on anything; you don't need to take any risks or fight any battles. The injustice and cruelty and suffering you see through your little peephole just doesn't matter in the larger scale of things; no need to exert yourself to remedy it. You nailed it. I saw the weasel in Rick's post as well, and I gave him a pass on it. I admit to making nice with him at the time. I'm glad you caught the varmint. An excellent specimen, indeed. I agree with Rick's peephole into the universe concept so far as the play of opposites is concerned but not as an excuse for weakly weaseling, Oh, it's just a game, so why should I care. Yeah, it all depends on how the insight is used. It's like the famous Charles Manson quote, If all is One, then what could be wrong? Disastrous category error. snip ...There is no room for timidity. The fact that you might be wrong is simply no excuse: You might be right in your communication, and you might be wrong, but that doesn't matter. What does matter, as Kierkegaard so rudely reminded us, is that only by investing and speaking your vision with passion, can the truth, one way or another, finally penetrate the reluctance of the world. If you are right, or if you are wrong, it is only your passion that will force either to be discovered. It is your duty to promote that discovery--either way--and therefore it is your duty to speak your truth with whatever passion and courage you can find in your heart. You must shout, in whatever way you can. --Ken Wilber I should confess, I've taken the Wilber quote somewhat out of context. He was referring specifically to one's *spiritual* vision, not relative concerns. But I thought the principle applied to the latter as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: And what is happening in Sitges nowadays? We aren't hearing much about that place anymore for some reason. i think Barry realized shortly after coming down from his high on initially escaping to Sitges, is that he came along too.:-) Heh. We've seen this happen over and over again, first after he escaped from the U.S. to Paris (that was on alt.m.t), then after his escape from Paris to that little French town, and now after his escape from the little French town to Sitges. He didn't keep us informed of whatever moves he was making while he was still in the U.S., but he kept changing his handle at regular intervals, which may have been a symptom of the same realization. It doesn't seem to stick, though... Barry's theme song: http://www.jilldaniels.com/blackbird.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras and their Fertilizers: The Mechanics of TM
SSRS has been clear that bija mantras dissolve into pranava (om) at the finest level. He called it the merging point of the tri-veni. Tri-veni is the confluence zone of Ganga, Yamuna and Saraswati rivers. He explained it as the mythographic symbol for the merging of the three nadi-s - ida, pingala and sushumna at ajna chakra. Some years ago I received mantra-diksha from him which included the pranava. Remembering the barking dogs of the tmo, I discussed this with a sankhya-yoga scholar who is a long time student of SSRS. He pointed out that MMY did not want the pranava practiced in a bare manner since it brought intense reversal of the pranas (nivritti) and severance from material and sensorial affections - all good for renunciates but an utter disaster for householders. He pointed out that front loading a dhyana bija-mantra with pranava was in perfect accord with the tradition and that SSRS was a mahapandita who gave it to those he thought could benefit from using it. To paraphrase forrest gump's guru - a mantra is as a mantra does. All this yada yada about meaning or its absence in mantras overlooks this simple fact. The meditation mantras of tm-sahaj are not used for their meaning but for their perceptual sound value. To contemplate mantras for their meaning is dhyana-bhaavana. Tantrika-s contemplate their mantras because their meditation-contemplation yoga is an amplified form of deity puja (antaryaga). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: snip Especially if you don't know how to incant it properly. OffWorld Is it really bad if I can't incant properly? Science
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curtis -- what is the power of music?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Curtis, Hopefully you're lurking. There's a mystery about music that perhaps you've considered far more deeply than I have; it's that music is so unfailingly meaningful yet has such severe limitations on where its buzz-yer-brain qualities are useful for impacting reality. Play even one measure of ANY piece of music and have ANYONE listen to it, and that person will have a point of view about the music's meaning to him/her. The music will be easily characterized by any listener in a fashion that is consistent within for them -- but not necessarily mono-meaningfully consistent socially speaking. Even a young child can tell you if a few notes are happy or sad, or whatever, and their inner musical-Rosetta-Stone will be remarkably consistent in labeling other musical passages. Whether it is merely the beat or the voices/instruments used or whatever, it seems that each piece of music is utterly unique and unwaveringly precise in its presentation of message to listeners, yet everyone understands any music the very first time it is played. Not that any two listeners will agree on what words best describe a piece of music, but that each person will have some sort of inner process that seems to be rule driven and idiosyncratic. Given the absolutism of music on a personal level -- meaning: the same music will produce the same brain response for at least a few repetitions before jaded becomes an eroding dynamic -- I'm mystified that music has not been very potent as a psychologically therapeutic tool. It's the old music soothes the savage breast concept. Why can't music be used to impact psychology very strongly when it seems to have such power to symbolize -- nay, even embody and be -- emotions? Music is so emotional that I find it hard to believe that emotions in general are not perceived as musical. If I'm feeling an emotion, say, love, it seems like music is playing in that my mind has a soundtrack that harmonizes with conceptual content (lyrics?) Yet, it is rare to have folks describe their feelings with musical terminology, e.g. I'm feeling sotto voce stacatto love. It might be a cool thingie, eh? My main question is: we know that we can get a crowd all tapping their feet and seemingly having the same emotions when listening to a piece, but we also know that the priest along with the serial killer in the crowd -- though sharing a musically triggered mood -- do not come away from the listening experience with any measurable change in their personalities -- so, WHY NOT? How can music have such power to trigger one's inner state, but be so seemingly impotent when it comes to having a measurable impact. I don't see any school of psychology doing anything like, say, the torture technique in A Clockwork Orange by pouring music and imagery into a brain and having that impact personality. I see no evidence of music soothing any breasts at all except while the music is being actually played. To me it is astounding that someone can listen to a full orchestration of a symphony by Mozart and not be driven sane. Where's the beef, ya know? Why doesn't music stick? My working theory is that music, like ordinary life experiences, can have a power to gradually nudge a personality, but that it would take a hell of a lot to get measurable results. Maybe if a person tried to mindfully listen to Mozart in a nuanced fashion like initiators are trained to be mindfully listening to the puja as they sing it, then Mozart could be a great healer. Don't know -- and so I ask your opinion. Edg in that music that they interpret as, say, happy, will be found The innate ability to appreciate music...to appreciate harmony or disharmony... The power of sound, in and of itself...the power of the sound quality of the mantras. The way emotion gets involved with sound... The way the art of music reflects the culture... 'The music of the Sixties'. A feeling for a second: Love is all you need. The music of the lately... 'Gansta Rap' 'Heavy Metal'... 'Grunge Punk' Yucky Music of no harmony... Reflects pants down around the knees... Prison population, feelings of anger and hopelessness... Confusion, chaos, meaninglessness Like everything is a joke man, just ask Jon Stewart of the C.Report... Everything is just a video game man! Nothing is real...it's all electronic images on a screeen... 'Don't ask, don't tell, man... Shut up, and listen to the rap, man... You can listen to Mozart all you want, But when they tell you to eat cake, when you have no bread... Things start getting out of hand... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh She says, in her 30th post of the day, after claiming that she's not the least bit hysterical.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: Well Sal, you said you like the train wrecks. You must be in hog heaven right now. Judy is completely hysterical. Couldn't ask for a more perfect illustration of what I said: It occurs to me that men think emotions always block rational thought because it's true of *them*, so they assume it's true of women as well. Not really their fault; the culture tells them real men don't indulge in emotion, so when they experience emotion, it scares the pants off them. That crippling fear of not appearing manly is what prevents them from being able to think rationally *as well as* having emotions. snip Human beings have emotions, thank goodness. Women experience them fully and acknowledge them, own them; men deny them so as not to appear unmanly. But their emotions come out anyway. They just come out sideways. Are your editorial skills failing or is this one of your oft used slippery and slimy diversions? Are those my only two choices? Well, I suppose you could still beat your wife if that was legal in your state. :-) Lets consult, your friend and mine, Mr. Dictionary. hysterical : 1) deriving from or affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion. Uncontrolled extreme emotion. Calm down. Take a deep breath or three and you may be able to discern the difference between emotion and hysteria. Yeah, see, I think you're missing my point. Possibly. Wouldn't have been the first time. The post you were responding to wasn't even *emotional*, let alone hysterical. I disagree. But it sure freaked *you* out. Hmmm, I don't believe you are correct. Again, lets consult Mr Dictionary. You really should get one. We would then be clear that your lack of comprehension isn't a blatant dodge or evasion. freaked out: 1) react or behave in a wild and irrational way, typically because of the effects of extreme emotion, mental illness, or drugs Nope, I don't seem to fall into any of those categories. Sorry. Carry on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras and their Fertilizers: The Mechanics of TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: snip Especially if you don't know how to incant it properly. OffWorld Is it really bad if I can't incant properly? Not so bad, but not so good. Like rowing towards the sunset when the party is on the beach. OffWorld.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras and their Fertilizers: The Mechanics of TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , scienceofabundance no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: snip Especially if you don't know how to incant it properly. Is it really bad if I can't incant properly? It can have unforeseen side effects. I knew a guy who was slightly hard of hearing and, while in India, received a mantra that was supposed to help enlarge your sense of compassion. But he couldn't hear the guru properly when he gave him the mantra. Too timid to ask him to repeat it, he did the best he could with what he thought the right pronunciation of the mantra was. After about six months he had noticed no enlargement of his sense of compassion at all. But his dick had grown six inches. Bastard would never tell me the mantra or how he was pronouncing it. He must have told you something, but you got it mixed up too, because how come your head ended up looking that way? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh No, you think that you are a hysterical racist who hates men... But, really inside, there is a little girl, crying out to be noticed, loved and accepted for who you are...equal to everyone else...no more, no less. It has nothing to do with rationality... It has to do with a wound, which you talk about... You have been raped, and need to heal yourself of that. Not by continuing to inflict raping remarks on others, but by healing the wound itself, if it is blocking you from loving unconditionally... Anything which serves as a block of loving unconditionally is standing in the way of your full development, as a human being and enlightenment. So, it is necessary when the pain gets enough, and you can no longer blame someone else for your pain, but see how you are holding on to the pattern, that keeps recreating it in your universethen you will decide you no longer need to hold onto that thing... And, you will let go of judgment, and be healed... (shed a tear) r.g.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh She says, in her 30th post of the day, after claiming that she's not the least bit hysterical. Right, see, in women, talking a lot is the definitive sign of hysteria. Especially when they're saying things men don't want to hear.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras and their Fertilizers: The Mechanics of TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , scienceofabundance no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: snip Especially if you don't know how to incant it properly. Is it really bad if I can't incant properly? Not so bad, but not so good. Like rowing towards the sunset when the party is on the beach. I think that we can safely assume that Off has stayed hidden in the woods of Vermont and has never strayed over to the beaches of Maine or New Hampshire. If he had, he might have realized that rowing towards the sunset *IS* rowing towards the beach. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Thanks for the appreciative words, Barry. It so happens that that particular Zen story is one of my inspirations and I've told it often. Why am I not surprised? You live it. I know, he got to enlightenment with Maharishi. It reminds me of what Maharishi said when someone asked him about Krishnamurti. Maharishi said that Krishnamurti was like a man who woke up on the roof, and forget how he got up there. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip The post you were responding to wasn't even *emotional*, let alone hysterical. I disagree. Too bad. You're mistaken. But it sure freaked *you* out. Hmmm, I don't believe you are correct. Again, lets consult Mr Dictionary. You really should get one. We would then be clear that your lack of comprehension isn't a blatant dodge or evasion. freaked out: 1) react or behave in a wild and irrational way, typically because of the effects of extreme emotion, mental illness, or drugs Nope, I don't seem to fall into any of those categories. Sorry. Carry on. Then why *are* you reacting in a wild and irrational way?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip I love these quotes. Thanks, Judy. I admire your debating skills immensely. You are fearless. Taking a stand on principle against injustice and speaking passionately as well as rationally about your beliefs means debating opponents vigorously. Other than Curtis Is Curtis dead? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh No, you think that you are a hysterical racist who hates men... I do??? But, really inside, there is a little girl, crying out to be noticed, loved and accepted for who you are...equal to everyone else...no more, no less. It has nothing to do with rationality... It has to do with a wound, which you talk about... You have been raped, and need to heal yourself of that. But you just got done saying I *wasn't* raped. Now you're saying I was. I'm so confused... Not by continuing to inflict raping remarks on others, but by healing the wound itself, if it is blocking you from loving unconditionally... Anything which serves as a block of loving unconditionally is standing in the way of your full development, as a human being and enlightenment. So, it is necessary when the pain gets enough, and you can no longer blame someone else for your pain, but see how you are holding on to the pattern, that keeps recreating it in your universethen you will decide you no longer need to hold onto that thing... And, you will let go of judgment, and be healed... (shed a tear) Robert, don't quit your day job, OK?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh She says, in her 30th post of the day, after claiming that she's not the least bit hysterical. Right, see, in women, talking a lot is the definitive sign of hysteria. Especially when they're saying things men don't want to hear. Hysterical means you've lost your center... Your pushing to hard, pulling to soft, something is amiss...! Something has pushed you over your limit and you feel overwhelmed... You can no longer see any other alternative... You become completely over-shadowed by the issue at hand, and it overtakes you mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually... This is where TM comes in... You sit to meditate, and devote time, to regain your center... Also, yoga, tai chi, breath work, massage, dance, movement, riding your bike, getting off the computer for a while, all of these things can bring you back to center and bliss and unconditional love, which is your natural state, when you get centered... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 22, 2009, at 12:30 AM, raunchydog wrote: Vaj: Why on earth would a successful meditator still have lingering destructive emotions months after the original stressor? [He raped you, so what, get over it.] So experiencing Hillary loosing [losing] was like being RAPED? (Ain't it fascinating how the well-poisoners here carefully overlook what both Raunchy and I have repeatedly explained, that it wasn't Hillary losing that we're bugged about, but *how* she lost?) I'm sorry Raunch, but I do believe it's time for the therapists couch. Actually, it's time for the therapist's couch for men who are unable to understand that sexism is the basis of the act of rape. It's also time for the therapist's couch for men who aren't able to recognize that telling a woman to get over it when she's been *psychologically* raped is analogous to telling her the same thing when she's been *physically* raped. Wow! Another casualty from the turnip truck. The Election of 2008, had nothing to do with anyone getting raped! There was no raping which was reported... Your psychological tortured rape is all in your mind, from either this lifetime's experience, or a past lifetime(s)... In Message #219635 Judy explained this one nicely: (Ain't it fascinating how the well-poisoners here carefully overlook what both Raunchy and I have repeatedly explained, that it wasn't Hillary losing that we're bugged about, but *how* she lost?) Vaj: I'm sorry Raunch, but I do believe it's time for the therapists couch. Judy: Actually, it's time for the therapist's couch for men who are unable to understand that sexism is the basis of the act of rape. It's also time for the therapist's couch for men who aren't able to recognize that telling a woman to get over it when she's been *psychologically* raped is analogous to telling her the same thing when she's been *physically* raped. It has nothing to do with the election of Barack Obama. Hillary is doing fine, and doesn't appear to be traumitized by the election and loves her job as Secretary of State and close confident of Barack Obama. Hillary's whole schtick was that, I'm a woman, so elect me. Wrong. If you're turnip truck had not been so comfy you would know that Hillary avoided playing gender politics and Obama played racial politics to the hilt. It wasn't enough. She needed a message besides that one. She was not inspirational and became a focus for female angst. Wrong, wrong and wrong. Hillary had a huge progressive message and 18 million people voted for her, men included. Then along comes Sarah Palin, who made a complete mockery of the notion of a woman as a leader...as she seemed to be leading through pure seduction and fear...what a joke! Message #219606 Judy explains Palin quite nicely as well: No, don't want it to happen to Palin either. She was treated disgracefully too. Good grief, if Democrats can't defeat Palin on the basis of her positions and record, we're in bad shape. Her *real* positions and *real* record, that is. There were a lot of false ones imputed to her. We shouldn't have needed to make her look even worse than she was. And there was *surely* no need for the sexist attacks on her. There are many woman of power in the Obama White House... You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. R.G. Smack-down of the day Message #219666: Judy: Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras and their Fertilizers: The Mechanics of TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: SSRS has been clear that bija mantras dissolve into pranava (om) at the finest level. He called it the merging point of the tri-veni. Tri-veni is the confluence zone of Ganga, Yamuna and Saraswati rivers. He explained it as the mythographic symbol for the merging of the three nadi-s - ida, pingala and sushumna at ajna chakra. Some years ago I received mantra-diksha from him which included the pranava. Remembering the barking dogs of the tmo, I discussed this with a sankhya-yoga scholar who is a long time student of SSRS. He pointed out that MMY did not want the pranava practiced in a bare manner since it brought intense reversal of the pranas (nivritti) and severance from material and sensorial affections - all good for renunciates but an utter disaster for householders. He pointed out that front loading a dhyana bija-mantra with pranava was in perfect accord with the tradition and that SSRS was a mahapandita who gave it to those he thought could benefit from using it. To paraphrase forrest gump's guru - a mantra is as a mantra does. All this yada yada about meaning or its absence in mantras overlooks this simple fact. The meditation mantras of tm-sahaj are not used for their meaning but for their perceptual sound value. To contemplate mantras for their meaning is dhyana-bhaavana. Tantrika-s contemplate their mantras because their meditation-contemplation yoga is an amplified form of deity puja (antaryaga). Nice explanation. However, obviously for millioms to TM'rs this has not been a disaster for householders. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is that so? -- an homage to Rick and his equanimity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: And what is happening in Sitges nowadays? We aren't hearing much about that place anymore for some reason. i think Barry realized shortly after coming down from his high on initially escaping to Sitges, is that he came along too.:-) Heh. We've seen this happen over and over again, first after he escaped from the U.S. to Paris (that was on alt.m.t), then after his escape from Paris to that little French town, and now after his escape from the little French town to Sitges. He didn't keep us informed of whatever moves he was making while he was still in the U.S., but he kept changing his handle at regular intervals, which may have been a symptom of the same realization. It doesn't seem to stick, though... So are there others you compulsively stalk or is TurquoiseB the sole recipients of your, ah, affection? Its quite touching actually, in a Stephen King kinda way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh She says, in her 30th post of the day, after claiming that she's not the least bit hysterical. Right, see, in women, talking a lot is the definitive sign of hysteria. Especially when they're saying things men don't want to hear. Hysterical means you've lost your center... Your pushing to hard, pulling to soft, something is amiss...! Something has pushed you over your limit and you feel overwhelmed... No, Robert, sorry, I don't feel at all overwhelmed. Listen: The folks here who have lost their center are the men, because two strong women have been saying things that make them very uncomfortable. The way they try to get back their center is to portray the women as hysterical, because if they're just hysterical, then there's no reason to listen to what they have to say. Do you know where the term hysteria comes from? Look it up. You can no longer see any other alternative... You become completely over-shadowed by the issue at hand, and it overtakes you mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually... Er, no, Robert, it doesn't. I'm actually having quite a good time. You guys are funnier than you know. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] GO JUDY GO! Can we make Judy post out in one day?
Even though she might possibly do it without our help, think how much fun it would be to assume Maharishi Effect-like that we had something to do with her setting a new FFL record by posting out in one day. All that it would take IME is for all of us who might want to see that happen to chant the sacred mantra GO JUDY GO! 108 times. You don't have to meditate or get into any ritam state to do this. Just visualize how interesting the conversations around here could be for six days without her trying to turn them into arguments and chant. Or, if you get off more on another type of visualization, picture as you chant Judy sit- ting out there in the slum state (New Jersey), compulsively staring at her computer screen, reading each post to see who might be saying something evil about her, wanting desperately to reply but unable to. Like a fox caught in a trap, would she actually gnaw off her own fingers to keep from posting anyway? So let's hear it, folks. Put your ritam where your mouth is. Repeat after me: GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO! GO JUDY GO!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh She says, in her 30th post of the day, after claiming that she's not the least bit hysterical. Right, see, in women, talking a lot is the definitive sign of hysteria. No. Not really. It is more of a definitive sign of verbal diarrhea most often displayed by attention whores. Especially when they're saying things men don't want to hear.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip The post you were responding to wasn't even *emotional*, let alone hysterical. I disagree. Too bad. You're mistaken. But it sure freaked *you* out. Hmmm, I don't believe you are correct. Again, lets consult Mr Dictionary. You really should get one. We would then be clear that your lack of comprehension isn't a blatant dodge or evasion. freaked out: 1) react or behave in a wild and irrational way, typically because of the effects of extreme emotion, mental illness, or drugs Nope, I don't seem to fall into any of those categories. Sorry. Carry on. Then why *are* you reacting in a wild and irrational way? You never tire of the same ole evasions and blatant dodges do yas?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras and their Fertilizers: The Mechanics of TM
On May 23, 2009, at 4:41 PM, emptybill wrote: SSRS has been clear that bija mantras dissolve into pranava (om) at the finest level. He called it the merging point of the tri-veni. Tri-veni is the confluence zone of Ganga, Yamuna and Saraswati rivers. He explained it as the mythographic symbol for the merging of the three nadi-s - ida, pingala and sushumna at ajna chakra. Some years ago I received mantra-diksha from him which included the pranava. Remembering the barking dogs of the tmo, I discussed this with a sankhya-yoga scholar who is a long time student of SSRS. He pointed out that MMY did not want the pranava practiced in a bare manner since it brought intense reversal of the pranas (nivritti) and severance from material and sensorial affections - all good for renunciates but an utter disaster for householders. He pointed out that front loading a dhyana bija-mantra with pranava was in perfect accord with the tradition and that SSRS was a mahapandita who gave it to those he thought could benefit from using it. To paraphrase forrest gump's guru - a mantra is as a mantra does. All this yada yada about meaning or its absence in mantras overlooks this simple fact. The meditation mantras of tm-sahaj are not used for their meaning but for their perceptual sound value. To contemplate mantras for their meaning is dhyana-bhaavana. Tantrika-s contemplate their mantras because their meditation-contemplation yoga is an amplified form of deity puja (antaryaga). It's great to hear these good things coming from SSRS's camp. The point about mantra and meaning isn't that it's something you have to do or hey you're really missing out on something here, it's the fact--the fact--that people were lied to consistently instead of being told the truth. And there's basically two reasons such a thing might happen: a desire to hide the truth so you could get away without people knowing the connections to the various devatas or MMY simply was not that knowledgeable of mantra-shastra (or of course, both). The unfortunate thing is most people will at least know subconsciously that someone is lying to them. So it's not a good vibe to carry in your subconscious, IMO. If I got a vibe that someone on a so-called spiritual trip was BS-ing me, there'd be a much higher chance I'd dump them (or perhaps get side-effects). Thank SSRS for truly restoring the purity of the TM tradition, or TM 2.0 as I like to call it! I like Ravi's description of the collapse at the triveni, he's right on!
[FairfieldLife] Re: GO JUDY GO! Can we make Judy post out in one day?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip Or, if you get off more on another type of visualization, picture as you chant Judy sit- ting out there in the slum state (New Jersey), compulsively staring at her computer screen, reading each post to see who might be saying something evil about her, wanting desperately to reply but unable to. Like a fox caught in a trap, would she actually gnaw off her own fingers to keep from posting anyway? Hey, Barry, you can relax. I'm going away tomorrow for a few days, be back toward the end of the week. Won't have access to a computer, so you don't have to worry about my gnawing my fingers off reading your posts. You've got free rein to say anything you like about me without fear of rebuttal until I return. Enjoy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh She says, in her 30th post of the day, after claiming that she's not the least bit hysterical. Right, see, in women, talking a lot is the definitive sign of hysteria. No. Not really. It is more of a definitive sign of verbal diarrhea most often displayed by attention whores. Well, what do you know? How telling. Judy just handed satvadude108 his ass is a mini debate. Rather than admit she owned him, he snarls like a trapped animal in a corner from which he cannot escape, and resorts to sexist invectives. Especially when they're saying things men don't want to hear.
[FairfieldLife] Re: GO JUDY GO! Can we make Judy post out in one day?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Or, if you get off more on another type of visualization, picture as you chant Judy sit- ting out there in the slum state (New Jersey), compulsively staring at her computer screen, reading each post to see who might be saying something evil about her, wanting desperately to reply but unable to. Like a fox caught in a trap, would she actually gnaw off her own fingers to keep from posting anyway? Hey, Barry, you can relax. I'm going away tomorrow for a few days, be back toward the end of the week. Won't have access to a computer, so you don't have to worry about my gnawing my fingers off reading your posts. You've got free rein to say anything you like about me without fear of rebuttal until I return. Enjoy! Show of hands. How many believe a word of this? Especially because it's the same claim she used to make back when she was compulsively posting out after two days week after week after week after week after... Remember the Judy Stein rule: Silence means that you agree.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Listen: The folks here who have lost their center are the men, because two strong women have been saying things that make them very uncomfortable. The way they try to get back their center is to portray the women as hysterical, because if they're just hysterical, then there's no reason to listen to what they have to say. Do you know where the term hysteria comes from? Look it up. You can no longer see any other alternative... You become completely over-shadowed by the issue at hand, and it overtakes you mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually... Er, no, Robert, it doesn't. I'm actually having quite a good time. You guys are funnier than you know. ;-) Yep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9k-AXlMyME
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras and their Fertilizers: The Mechanics of TM
emptybill wrote: To paraphrase forrest gump's guru - a mantra is as a mantra does. All this yada yada about meaning or its absence in mantras overlooks this simple fact. The meditation mantras of tm-sahaj are not used for their meaning but for their perceptual sound value. To contemplate mantras for their meaning is dhyana-bhaavana. Tantrika-s contemplate their mantras because their meditation-contemplation yoga is an amplified form of deity puja (antaryaga). Somewhat, as there are the attendant deities for the Hindu stages of life or even Ayurvedic stages of life. Those can be used for guidelines for implementation. Those mantras have the effect of balancing the energies at that stage of life. There are different ways of giving out mantras by different traditions. And I think the use of some mantras as remedials or utilities sort of confuses some people as those are meant for short time use. The whole subject of mantra shastra is very interesting, especially the different methods used to select a mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh She says, in her 30th post of the day, after claiming that she's not the least bit hysterical. Right, see, in women, talking a lot is the definitive sign of hysteria. No. Not really. It is more of a definitive sign of verbal diarrhea most often displayed by attention whores. Well, what do you know? How telling. Judy just handed satvadude108 his ass is a mini debate. Rather than admit she owned him, he snarls like a trapped animal in a corner from which he cannot escape, and resorts to sexist invectives. Firstly, Judy has never handed or handled my ass. You've never seen my bum tattoo that reads Exit Only. Homie don't play that way. Sorry Raunch, you two will need to be content with your cyber humping of my leg. Secondly, your blatant sexism offends my sensitive side Raunch. Yas never heard of a man-whore? There goes that ERA right down the drain again. No worries. We didn't need it anyway as it is Constitutionally redundant due to the Equal Protection clause. Always glad to help. :-) http://snipurl.com/in301 Especially when they're saying things men don't want to hear.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curtis -- what is the power of music?
Well, for people who know what they are doing with it music can be quite spiritual in a meditative way. Seems that saints through time have used it for an enabling effect it can have on the subtle systems of spiritual experience. For instance, the power of music: http://cdbaby.com/cd/sussmanjanet2
[FairfieldLife] Re: GO JUDY GO! Can we make Judy post out in one day?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Or, if you get off more on another type of visualization, picture as you chant Judy sit- ting out there in the slum state (New Jersey), compulsively staring at her computer screen, reading each post to see who might be saying something evil about her, wanting desperately to reply but unable to. Like a fox caught in a trap, would she actually gnaw off her own fingers to keep from posting anyway? Hey, Barry, you can relax. I'm going away tomorrow for a few days, be back toward the end of the week. Won't have access to a computer, so you don't have to worry about my gnawing my fingers off reading your posts. You've got free rein to say anything you like about me without fear of rebuttal until I return. Enjoy! Show of hands. How many believe a word of this? Not a frackin word of it TurquoiseB. She would tweet youse incessantly if she there was any chance on heaven or earth that you would read and respond. No 50 post limits there. Especially because it's the same claim she used to make back when she was compulsively posting out after two days week after week after week after week after... Remember the Judy Stein rule: Silence means that you agree.
[FairfieldLife] Re: GO JUDY GO! Can we make Judy post out in one day?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Or, if you get off more on another type of visualization, picture as you chant Judy sit- ting out there in the slum state (New Jersey), compulsively staring at her computer screen, reading each post to see who might be saying something evil about her, wanting desperately to reply but unable to. Like a fox caught in a trap, would she actually gnaw off her own fingers to keep from posting anyway? Hey, Barry, you can relax. I'm going away tomorrow for a few days, be back toward the end of the week. Won't have access to a computer, so you don't have to worry about my gnawing my fingers off reading your posts. You've got free rein to say anything you like about me without fear of rebuttal until I return. Enjoy! Show of hands. How many believe a word of this? Especially because it's the same claim she used to make back when she was compulsively posting out after two days week after week after week after week after... Hee hee. Barry never did quite get it. I posted out (what a silly expression) *because I knew I was going away*. No point in hanging onto posts if you're not going to be able to use them. Same deal this time. Barry embarrassed himself quite thoroughly twice, once when he thought he'd caught me posting on TMFree during the time I said I'd be away, but it turned out he'd gotten the timestamping all bolluxed up. Then another time I'd said I'd be out of town and would have limited access to a computer, Barry got all excited when I made a post and suggested I'd been lying about going away. He even tried pinging me but couldn't do it properly and didn't get anywhere. Alex had to calm him down by verifying that I was indeed posting from another state. Remember the Judy Stein rule: Silence means that you agree. Silence can also indicate boredom with a topic that has meaning only to those who are attached to it, one way or another.--Barry Wright, #129968 giggle BTW--to no one's surprise, I'm sure--I never said what Barry put in quotes, at least not in those words, and certainly not in this context, where it's entirely inappropriate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh She says, in her 30th post of the day, after claiming that she's not the least bit hysterical. Right, see, in women, talking a lot is the definitive sign of hysteria. No. Not really. It is more of a definitive sign of verbal diarrhea most often displayed by attention whores. Well, what do you know? How telling. Judy just handed satvadude108 his ass is a mini debate. Rather than admit she owned him, he snarls like a trapped animal in a corner from which he cannot escape, and resorts to sexist invectives. Firstly, Judy has never handed or handled my ass. You've never seen my bum tattoo that reads Exit Only. Homie don't play that way. Sorry Raunch, you two will need to be content with your cyber humping of my leg. Secondly, your blatant sexism offends my sensitive side Raunch. Yas never heard of a man-whore? There goes that ERA right down the drain again. No worries. We didn't need it anyway as it is Constitutionally redundant due to the Equal Protection clause. Always glad to help. :-) http://snipurl.com/in301 Especially when they're saying things men don't want to hear. Due to lack of self-examination, the sexist pig has become an endangered species. Known for wallowing in filth, to his dying breath he roots desperately for one last snarling zinger to blame a woman for his miserable lot in life, but all he finds to appease his appetite is crow.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Listen: The folks here who have lost their center are the men, because two strong women have been saying things that make them very uncomfortable. The way they try to get back their center is to portray the women as hysterical, because if they're just hysterical, then there's no reason to listen to what they have to say. Do you know where the term hysteria comes from? Look it up. You can no longer see any other alternative... You become completely over-shadowed by the issue at hand, and it overtakes you mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually... Er, no, Robert, it doesn't. I'm actually having quite a good time. You guys are funnier than you know. ;-) Yep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9k-AXlMyME *Now* I'm hysterical. Just hilarious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh She says, in her 30th post of the day, after claiming that she's not the least bit hysterical. Right, see, in women, talking a lot is the definitive sign of hysteria. No. Not really. It is more of a definitive sign of verbal diarrhea most often displayed by attention whores. Well, what do you know? How telling. Judy just handed satvadude108 his ass is a mini debate. Rather than admit she owned him, he snarls like a trapped animal in a corner from which he cannot escape, and resorts to sexist invectives. Firstly, Judy has never handed or handled my ass. You've never seen my bum tattoo that reads Exit Only. Homie don't play that way. Sorry Raunch, you two will need to be content with your cyber humping of my leg. Secondly, your blatant sexism offends my sensitive side Raunch. Yas never heard of a man-whore? There goes that ERA right down the drain again. No worries. We didn't need it anyway as it is Constitutionally redundant due to the Equal Protection clause. Always glad to help. :-) http://snipurl.com/in301 Especially when they're saying things men don't want to hear. Due to lack of self-examination, the sexist pig has become an endangered species. That isn't true at all Raunch, unless you haven't seen fit to reproduce. Known for wallowing in filth, to his dying breath he roots desperately for one last snarling zinger to blame a woman for his miserable lot in life, but all he finds to appease his appetite is crow. Hopefully you plan on cleaning up when you are done humping my leg. I'm going out later and man-whores are fastidious about hygiene .
[FairfieldLife] Om Meditators: take Note, non-organic organic soy scammers
Jai Guru Dev FFL: Well, as those of us who are active practicing Meditators would well know the truth, `you are what you eat' and how important feeding good food is to the subtle systems of the nervous system towards enhancing the spiritual in the human experience, this is a terribly important public spiritual announcement: Subject: non-organic organic soy scammers http://www.naturalnews.com/026294.html Silk, SoyDream, Pacific Natural Foods and Vitasoy all Rebuked in New Soy Scorecard Ratings (NaturalNews) The Cornucopia Institute (www.cornucopia.org) has just released a new report about organic soy products that's sending shockwaves through the soy industry. By compiling information on the sourcing of soybeans, the use of toxic chemicals for soy protein extraction, and the use or avoidance of genetically modified soybeans, the Cornucopia Institute has created an Organic Soy Scorecard that reveals which soy product companies are truly trustworthy vs. those that are not. (NaturalNews contributed funding to this investigative reporting, specifically on the subject of the laboratory testing for hexane residues in soy products. Thank you to all NaturalNews readers and customers who allow us to earn the funds needed to support these important public safety research initiatives.) The scorecard (http://www.cornucopia.org/2009/05/s...) takes into account: Where the soybeans are sourced from (many companies use organic soybeans sourced from China!) How the soybeans are processed (some companies bathe soybeans in toxic chemicals, then put the resulting extracts into infant formula!) How forthright the companies are in providing information to investigators. Whether the company tests for and avoids genetically modified soybeans. ... and other details. You can read the full report on www.Cornucopia.org Here's who came out on top: The soy companies scorecard 5-star rating Eden Foods - 100% of their soybeans are grown in the U.S. and Canada. Vermont Soy (Vermont) - 100% of soybeans also grown in U.S. and Canada (mostly in Vermont). Low-heat pasteurization helps preserve soybean nutrients. Small Planet Tofu (Washington) - Buys solely from American farmers. FarmSoy (Tennessee) - Real tofu made from soybeans bought from American farmers. TwinOats (Virginia) - Buys soybeans from an organic family farm in Virginia. Unisoya / Green Cuisine (Canada) - They grown their own organic soybeans on 400 acres. 4-star rating Organic Valley Great Eastern Sun Fresh Tofu Wildwood Tofu Shop 3-star rating Harris Teeter 2-star rating Trader Joe's - refused to disclose sourcing information 1-star rating Pacific Natural Foods - Buys soybeans from China and refused to disclose the name of the organic certifier in China. Refused to respond to questions about the certification of their organic soybeans. Cornucopia wonders whether Pacific Natural Foods is engaged in a marketing gimmick when it claims its products are Certified to the Source. (Certified by who?) Vitasoy USA - Buys soybeans from China. Westsoy / SoyDream (both owned by Hain Celestial Group) - Refused to share sourcing information. Silk (Dean Foods) - Refused to participate. Says the report: Since Dean Foods acquired WhiteWave, its founder, Steve Demos, has left the company, along with almost all of the pioneering management -- those who believed in green values. According to Demos, the company is now all about green, with the dead presidents on it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh She says, in her 30th post of the day, after claiming that she's not the least bit hysterical. Right, see, in women, talking a lot is the definitive sign of hysteria. Especially when they're saying things men don't want to hear. Hysterical means you've lost your center... Your pushing to hard, pulling to soft, something is amiss...! Something has pushed you over your limit and you feel overwhelmed... No, Robert, sorry, I don't feel at all overwhelmed. Listen: The folks here who have lost their center are the men, because two strong women have been saying things that make them very uncomfortable. The way they try to get back their center is to portray the women as hysterical, because if they're just hysterical, then there's no reason to listen to what they have to say. Do you know where the term hysteria comes from? Look it up. You can no longer see any other alternative... You become completely over-shadowed by the issue at hand, and it overtakes you mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually... Er, no, Robert, it doesn't. I'm actually having quite a good time. You guys are funnier than you know. ;-) Ya Know, I was never a big believer in Freud, but these days, I'm starting to bye into the 'Penis Envy' theory... I can't see any other reason, why woman these days, have to prove all the time, how many are such silly Bumpkins, and how Stupid they all are with they're 'Swingin' Dicks'... I'm starting to believe that ya' all wish you had one to swing, yourselves... So, you didn't have to wait in those damn long lines at the rest stops on the way to D.C. Now, I'm not tryin' to be a Dick here... I like havin' one... Don't know what it would be, if I didn't have one! Well, that's all I got... God Bless the Meek, for they shall inherit the planet of apes... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Om Meditators: take Note, non-organic organic soy scammers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Jai Guru Dev FFL: Well, as those of us who are active practicing Meditators would well know the truth, `you are what you eat' and how important feeding good food is to the subtle systems of the nervous system towards enhancing the spiritual in the human experience, this is a terribly important public spiritual announcement: Subject: non-organic organic soy scammers http://www.naturalnews.com/026294.html You are what you believe you are, you are what you think, and what you say...be careful, not only what you put into your mouth... But, especially careful, what comes out of your mouth... Has anyone seen the movie 'Quills'? It's a good period piece of the [Insane Time] of the French Revolution... The fall of the Queen of France, the Rise of Napoleonism and the Story of the Marcie De Sade... There was quite a painful scene in the film, of the torturing of the Marcie, which was staggering... The movie would give the dark and forboding character of: Dick Cheney a good run for the money! BTW, it's starting to 'Feel Like', Pre-war [Berlin] in here... *Napoleon-ism* Also known as little man syndrome or lms. When a small guy tries to be tough because he's shorter than average or small of stature. (Taken from the name Napoleon, who was just a few inches over 5 feet tall and tended to blow people up and start wars.) See Napoleonic War. Rick had a case of napoleon-ism because he was only 5'5. He didn't need to be so tough, 'cause he was a great and kind friend who would do anything for you. Unfortunately, people still look down upon short people, and he took this personally. # Napoleon Bonaparte # author napoleon bonerhard # napoleon complex # Napoleon Dynamite # Napoleon Dynamite merchandise # Napoleon Dynamitus # Napoleon Firecracker # Napoleon Hunting # Napoleon Ice Cream # napoleon in rags # Napoleon Panties # Napoleon Wanker # Napoleon's Erection # Napoleon's Hat # Napoleoned r.g. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: snip You really are revealing how much work you still need to do in regard to your hatred of men, which borders on psychotic... Sorry to say. Let's see, I'm a hysterical racist who hates men, but all you men are *perfectly* rational. Have I got that right? belly laugh She says, in her 30th post of the day, after claiming that she's not the least bit hysterical. Right, see, in women, talking a lot is the definitive sign of hysteria. Especially when they're saying things men don't want to hear. Hysterical means you've lost your center... Your pushing to hard, pulling to soft, something is amiss...! Something has pushed you over your limit and you feel overwhelmed... No, Robert, sorry, I don't feel at all overwhelmed. Listen: The folks here who have lost their center are the men, because two strong women have been saying things that make them very uncomfortable. The way they try to get back their center is to portray the women as hysterical, because if they're just hysterical, then there's no reason to listen to what they have to say. Do you know where the term hysteria comes from? Look it up. You can no longer see any other alternative... You become completely over-shadowed by the issue at hand, and it overtakes you mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually... Er, no, Robert, it doesn't. I'm actually having quite a good time. You guys are funnier than you know. ;-) Ya Know, I was never a big believer in Freud, but these days, I'm starting to bye into the 'Penis Envy' theory... I can't see any other reason, why woman these days, have to prove all the time, how many are such silly Bumpkins, and how Stupid they all are with they're 'Swingin' Dicks'... I'm starting to believe that ya' all wish you had one to swing, yourselves... So, you didn't have to wait in those damn long lines at the rest stops on the way to D.C. Now, I'm not tryin' to be a Dick here... I like havin' one... Don't know what it would be, if I didn't have one! Well, that's all I got... God Bless the Meek, for they shall inherit the planet of apes... R.G. Robert, get a grip. Women are not interested in your penis. You are are still in the oedipal phase of libidinal and ego development and not yet very potent as a man. When you grow up someday, you'll realize that women want the same thing that you do...respect.
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[FairfieldLife] David Lynch and film producer Joni Sighvatsson transform the destiny of Iceland
David Lynch and film producer Joni Sighvatsson transform the destiny of Iceland by Global Good News staff writer Global Good News Translate This Article 23 May 2009 Renowned filmmaker Dr David Lynch created a stir in Iceland earlier this month. Dr Lynch* has been promoting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's programmes to create world peace through Consciousness-Based Education around the globe. During an impromptu two-day visit, thousands of Icelanders turned out to hear Dr Lynch speak about improving life and creating positive change in the nation through the Transcendental Meditation (TM) Programme. As a result of the enthusiastic response, the Global Country of World Peace is preparing to teach the technique to thousands of people, and create invincibility—peace, prosperity, coherence, and success—for the nation. Please also see Part I. The inspiration for the trip came from Icelandic businessman and veteran filmmaker, Sigurjón (Joni) Sighvatsson. A close friend of Dr Lynch, Mr Sighvatsson asked him recently, 'Is there something we can do for Iceland?' The nation has experienced long-standing problems, for which the Global Country of World Peace has a proven solution: establish a coherence-creating group of Yogic Flyers. Research shows that positive trends increase, and negative trends decrease, when the square root of 1 per cent of a nation's population practises the advanced Transcendental Meditation Sidhi Programme, including Yogic Flying, in a group. The Raja (Administrator) of the Global Country of World Peace for Iceland, Dr Tom Stanley, praised Mr Sighvatsson and Dr Lynch for 'transforming the destiny of the nation'. Mr Sighvatsson, who practices Transcendental Meditation, lives in Los Angeles where he is Honorary Counsul General of Iceland. 'Joni knows all the top leadership of the country. He paved the way for the entire project. It was remarkable how he opened doors and made things happen,' said Raja Stanley. 'The events were covered extensively by the press. Everyone in the entire country knew about David's visit and presentations on Transcendental Meditation.' In addition to meetings with government and civic leaders, Dr Lynch gave a public presentation to over 1,000 people. 'We weren't sure how many people would come. We were hoping there wouldn't be too many empty seats,' said Raja Stanley. 'As it turned out, we had to provide additional video screens for hundreds and hundreds of people in the lobby.' He continued, 'The crowd absolutely loved the clips from the Change Begins Within benefit concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York.' (Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr headlined the historic April concert for the David Lynch Foundation, which raised funds to teach one million at-risk children Transcendental Meditation.) Follow-up activities are underway to implement the project. A businessman has offered facilities for Iceland's coherence-creating group. A filmmaker is interested in following the progress of the programme over the coming months and years, documenting the transformation of the country from its economic difficulties and social problems into an integrated, invincible society. Click here for a video on YouTube of Dr Lynch speaking to a large audience in Reykjavik about the Transcendental Meditation Technique. * David Lynch received an honorary Doctorate in World Peace from Maharishi University of Management in the United States. © Copyright 2009 Global Good News® Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch and film producer Joni Sighvatsson transform the destiny of Iceland
What a fabulous post michael. Including all the research. They are incredibly spiritually inclined anyway. Lot of native spirituality in Iceland to begin with. So no wonder they would turn out. Now, if we could only git at least just the fallen-away meditators on this list community to come back to meditating, would be a remarkable improvement to the salon here. Would have global significance. I wish them (Icelanders) all the best and all the non-meditators here too. Michael, thanks for pointing this out here. Is very insightful, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamer...@... wrote: David Lynch and film producer Joni Sighvatsson transform the destiny of Iceland by Global Good News staff writer Global Good News    Translate This Article 23 May 2009 Renowned filmmaker Dr David Lynch created a stir in Iceland earlier this month. Dr Lynch* has been promoting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's programmes to create world peace through Consciousness-Based Education around the globe. During an impromptu two-day visit, thousands of Icelanders turned out to hear Dr Lynch speak about improving life and creating positive change in the nation through the Transcendental Meditation (TM) Programme. As a result of the enthusiastic response, the Global Country of World Peace is preparing to teach the technique to thousands of people, and create invincibilityâpeace, prosperity, coherence, and successâfor the nation. Please also see Part I. The inspiration for the trip came from Icelandic businessman and veteran filmmaker, Sigurjón (Joni) Sighvatsson. A close friend of Dr Lynch, Mr Sighvatsson asked him recently, 'Is there something we can do for Iceland?' The nation has experienced long-standing problems, for which the Global Country of World Peace has a proven solution: establish a coherence-creating group of Yogic Flyers. Research shows that positive trends increase, and negative trends decrease, when the square root of 1 per cent of a nation's population practises the advanced Transcendental Meditation Sidhi Programme, including Yogic Flying, in a group. The Raja (Administrator) of the Global Country of World Peace for Iceland, Dr Tom Stanley, praised Mr Sighvatsson and Dr Lynch for 'transforming the destiny of the nation'. Mr Sighvatsson, who practices Transcendental Meditation, lives in Los Angeles where he is Honorary Counsul General of Iceland. 'Joni knows all the top leadership of the country. He paved the way for the entire project. It was remarkable how he opened doors and made things happen,' said Raja Stanley. 'The events were covered extensively by the press. Everyone in the entire country knew about David's visit and presentations on Transcendental Meditation.' In addition to meetings with government and civic leaders, Dr Lynch gave a public presentation to over 1,000 people. 'We weren't sure how many people would come. We were hoping there wouldn't be too many empty seats,' said Raja Stanley. 'As it turned out, we had to provide additional video screens for hundreds and hundreds of people in the lobby.' He continued, 'The crowd absolutely loved the clips from the Change Begins Within benefit concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York.' (Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr headlined the historic April concert for the David Lynch Foundation, which raised funds to teach one million at-risk children Transcendental Meditation.) Follow-up activities are underway to implement the project. A businessman has offered facilities for Iceland's coherence-creating group. A filmmaker is interested in following the progress of the programme over the coming months and years, documenting the transformation of the country from its economic difficulties and social problems into an integrated, invincible society. Click here for a video on YouTube of Dr Lynch speaking to a large audience in Reykjavik about the Transcendental Meditation Technique. * David Lynch received an honorary Doctorate in World Peace from Maharishi University of Management in the United States. © Copyright 2009 Global Good News® Service.
