Re: [newbie-it] Sceda rete pcmcia
scusate se mi intrometto a thread già avviato, scherzi? ogni consiglio é piú che ben accetto!! comunque dopo aver essermi spaccato la testa sull'how-to relativo allle schede pcmcia ho scoperto che il problema era nella configurazione della memoria... é bastato mettere i dati che avevo salvato prima di eliminare windows e ora é a posto (la scheda, non la connessione in rete... quella non va ancora, ma non dispero =) ciao stefano
Re: [newbie-it] Device cancellato
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, nicola wrote: Alle 20:15, domenica 10 marzo 2002, hai scritto: Salve a tutti, ho fatto una cazzata: ho rimosso il file /dev/tts/LT0 convinto che si ricreasse al prossimo boot. Di fatto non accade. Cosa si fa in questi casi? Ciao Luigi L'unica cosa che posso consigliarti, è scoprire (se non lo sai già) cosa sia il device cancellato, e casomai guardare nella directory /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ e cercare il file che indica la lista dei dispositivi , con loro Major number e minor number. Se lo trovi ricrealo nella solita posizione con mknod nomedev Major Minor Il fatto straordinario di questo Devfsd (active device filesystem) che Mandrake 8.1 ha portato con se e' che il problema si e' auto risolto. E' bastato montare i giusti moduli nel kernel ed il device e' stato creato all'occorrenza. Grazie lo stesso Luigi -- Not all who wander are lost (Tolkien) Luigi De Pascale: Indirizzo: Dipartimento di Matematica Applicata U.Dini Via Bonanno Pisano 25/B, 56126 Pisa, ITALY Tel.: +39/050/844745 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie-it] emulazione scsi
Alle 22:02, martedì 12 marzo 2002, nicola ha scritto: Alle 19:25, sabato 9 marzo 2002, hai scritto: Ciao, scusate se mi intrometto, ma l'argomento è molto interessante, ed ho provato anche io a emulare scsi il mio cd, ma incorro in un problema, non esiste il dispositivo /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/cd da te indicato, devo crearlo con mknode? Quale Major,minor usare? anche da me non conpariva il dispositivo! (non ricordo se in target1 o target0) se ho capito bene hai gia modificato lilo e fastab..giusto? ora non devi far altro che creare i link simbolici in /dev controllando prima in fastab la giusta sequenza #ln -s /dev/scdx /dev/cdromx se ti puo essere d'aiuto questo è come risultano ora a me #cdrecord -scanbub scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'TEAC' 'CD-532E-A ' '1.0A' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) 'YAMAHA ' 'CRW2100E' '1.0G' Removable CD-ROM /etc/fastab /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom auto user,iocharset=iso8859-15,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/scd1 /mnt/cdrom2 auto user,iocharset=iso8859-15,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0 Ciao , Tom
Re: [newbie-it] Mandrake in crisi!?
Il giorno 11:45, mercoledì 13 marzo 2002 hai scritto: Scusate se interrompo il normale svolgimento della mailing-list ma vi chiederei di dare uno sguardo al seguente link http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/mdkfuture.php3 dove si parla della crisi economica di Mandrake. Visto che ci dovrebbero essere luoghi appositi per una eventuale discussione il mio consiglio si ferma qui, lasciando a ciascuno di voi l'eventuale giudizio. Se pensate che il tema proposto debba essere discusso ci si può sentire anche privatamente oppure si può ricorrere all'apposito forum (vd. link nel link). Ciao a tutti Germano P.S: scusate per il cross-posting (si dice così, no?) Ciao Germano, mi scuso con te e con gli altri utenti se posto qui la mia risposta, generando un po' di traffico OT rispetto alla ML (ma in fin dei conti si sta sempre parlando di Linux Mandrake, o no?). MandrakeSoft è una società appena agli inizi; quindi è normale, soprattutto considerando il business model tipico del mondo Linux, che sia a corto di soldi. A quanto pare, però, la situazione è sufficientemente grave da far loro decidere di pubblicare l'avviso che tutti abbiamo letto. Io butto lì un'idea. Il nodo centrale è il solito malinteso per il quale free software dovrebbe necessariamente equivalere al concetto di software gratuito, quando invece il concetto è quello di software libero (che è molto diverso). Io ho scoperto Linux proprio grazie a MandrakeSoft, da circa 16 mesi. Normalmente acquisto l'ultima release allegata a qualche rivista, quindi praticamente gratis (in genere il prezzo è sui 5 euro). La mia proposta è molto semplice: se installiamo Linux e troviamo questa distribuzione molto ben fatta (come credo che sia), perchè - dopo averla acquisita a costo zero - non inviamo a MandrakeSoft dei soldi? Parlo di cifre modeste, nelle possibilità di molti, se non di tutti: 20-25 euro sarebbero abbastanza (e per tutto il software contenuto nei CD di ogni release, sono decisamente un'ottimo prezzo!!!). Chi vuole, in alternativa, potrebbe acquistare qualcosa dal sito MandrakeStore; chi infine avesse più soldi (e la voglia di spenderli) potrebbe iscriversi al MandrakeClub. Insomma, se il loro lavoro ci pare ben fatto, perchè non sostenerli? Credo che, in media, ogni utente aggiorni il proprio sistema un paio di volte all'anno. Anche inviando ogni volta qualche euro, la spesa sarebbe nel complesso modica; ed il risultato sarebbe quello di avere un sistema operativo sempre aggiornato, stabile, sicuro (più di Windows, sicuramente) e libero ad un prezzo di molto inferiore ai sistemi operativi proprietari. Ai quali saremo prima o poi costretti a tornare, se non avremo saputo supportare un minimo le società i cui sforzi consentono a progetti come KDE, GNOME, OPENOFFICE, THE GIMP, e tutto il rimanente ottimo software, di procedere. A presto... Daniele
Re: [newbie-it] Mandrake in crisi!?
Anch'io sono d'accordo sul fatto che il mondo open debba essere supportato. Infatti una volta provata la distribuzione, spendo volentieri 60 Euro per il pacchetto completo, che tra le altre cose permette più rapidamente di installare i vari programmi che comunque dopo dovremmo procurarci/installare in altro modo. Fate un po' voi. PS: Se potessi mi iscriverei al Mandrake Club.
[newbie-it] Lilo e win
salve come faccio a rimettere lilo dopo che win se lo e' mangiato? Gigi -- Not all who wander are lost (Tolkien) Luigi De Pascale: Indirizzo: Dipartimento di Matematica Applicata U.Dini Via Bonanno Pisano 25/B, 56126 Pisa, ITALY Tel.: +39/050/844745 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie-it] Lilo e win
Come root digita lilo in un qualunque terminale, così facendo non dovrebbe far altro che riscrivere il contenuto del file /etc/lilo.conf nel Master Boot Record. Per sicurezza man lilo Ciao, Germano Il 15:31, mercoledì 13 marzo 2002, hai scritto: salve come faccio a rimettere lilo dopo che win se lo e' mangiato? Gigi
Re: [newbie-it] Mandrake in crisi!?
Brunini Alessandro wrote: Anch'io sono d'accordo sul fatto che il mondo open debba essere supportato. Infatti una volta provata la distribuzione, spendo volentieri 60 Euro per il pacchetto completo, che tra le altre cose permette più rapidamente di installare i vari programmi che comunque dopo dovremmo procurarci/installare in altro modo. Fate un po' voi. PS: Se potessi mi iscriverei al Mandrake Club. In effetti, come fanno notare, non e` una grossissima spesa: meno di un biglietto del cinema al mese. Pero`, non rientra molto nella mentalita` italiana. :-( E` piu` abituale in altri paesi come gli USA, dove pratiche simili sono anche incentivate con sconti fiscali: il contributo ad associazioni viene detratto dalle tasse del donatore o (per i piu` giovani) dei genitori. Infatti, qualche mese fa avevo visto sul sito Mandrake una statistica in merito, dove eravamo proporzionalmente (oltre che in termini assoluti) molto staccati dagli USA. Per chi non ha soldi ma un po' di capacita` e buona volonta`, avrei una proposta costruttiva: contribuire alla distro lavorandoci. Lasciamo perdere i piu` bravi, per i quali c'e` la possibilita` di lavorare sullo sviluppo software. Per quelli come me, che non si considerano degli hacker (in senso positivo), c'e` la possibilita` di collaborare alle traduzioni italiane. Fornire manuali, software, pagine web, ... localizzati e` un grosso costo per una distribuzione Linux. Io, per un po' ho collaborato con Mandrake e ci ho anche guadagnato una copia della 8.0 ufficiale :-) Ultimamente, ho lasciato un po' perdere perche' sono piu` preso sul lavoro, sto dedicando molte (per mia moglie troppe) sere alla versione italiana dell'imminente kde-3.0 e, fondamentalmente, perche' mi sto impigrendo. :-( Adesso, sto pensando di rifarmi sotto. Quindi, chi vuole potrebbe contattare Giuseppe Ghibo` [EMAIL PROTECTED] che coordina il team dei traduttori italiani. o [EMAIL PROTECTED] che coordina tutti i team. Io la considero un'utile esperienza. Credo che la Mandrake porebbe considerarla equivalente all'iscrizione al club. Infine, perche' no, potrebbe essere parte di un curriculum professionale per chi volesse, in futuro, fare il traduttore scientifico. La cosa e` tutt'altro che difficile: bisogna capire esattamente cosa si legge (ti insegna anche ad usare Linux) e padroneggiare abbastanza bene l'italiano per trovare una frase equivalente e non ... troppo piu` lunga ;-) Maggiori informazioni si trovano a partire dalla pagina: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/ . soprattutto dai link in fondo alla pagina. Altri link utili sono: http://i18n.kde.org/teams/it/ http://i18n.kde.org/ http://www.linux.it/tp/ http://softwarelibero.org/gnudoc/ ciao, andrea
R: [newbie-it] Mandrake in crisi!?
credo che sia arrivato il momento di contribuire economicamente, se non vogliamo cambiare distribuzione. Penso che se lo meritano. Io mi comprerò la distribuzione era già da un pò che ci stavo pensando. Comunque se tutti o quasi collaboriamo secondo le nostre possibilità possiamo aiutarli. ciao a tutti. - Original Message - From: Andrea Celli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [newbie-it] Mandrake in crisi!? Brunini Alessandro wrote: Anch'io sono d'accordo sul fatto che il mondo open debba essere supportato. Infatti una volta provata la distribuzione, spendo volentieri 60 Euro per il pacchetto completo, che tra le altre cose permette più rapidamente di installare i vari programmi che comunque dopo dovremmo procurarci/installare in altro modo. Fate un po' voi. PS: Se potessi mi iscriverei al Mandrake Club. In effetti, come fanno notare, non e` una grossissima spesa: meno di un biglietto del cinema al mese. Pero`, non rientra molto nella mentalita` italiana. :-( E` piu` abituale in altri paesi come gli USA, dove pratiche simili sono anche incentivate con sconti fiscali: il contributo ad associazioni viene detratto dalle tasse del donatore o (per i piu` giovani) dei genitori. Infatti, qualche mese fa avevo visto sul sito Mandrake una statistica in merito, dove eravamo proporzionalmente (oltre che in termini assoluti) molto staccati dagli USA. Per chi non ha soldi ma un po' di capacita` e buona volonta`, avrei una proposta costruttiva: contribuire alla distro lavorandoci. Lasciamo perdere i piu` bravi, per i quali c'e` la possibilita` di lavorare sullo sviluppo software. Per quelli come me, che non si considerano degli hacker (in senso positivo), c'e` la possibilita` di collaborare alle traduzioni italiane. Fornire manuali, software, pagine web, ... localizzati e` un grosso costo per una distribuzione Linux. Io, per un po' ho collaborato con Mandrake e ci ho anche guadagnato una copia della 8.0 ufficiale :-) Ultimamente, ho lasciato un po' perdere perche' sono piu` preso sul lavoro, sto dedicando molte (per mia moglie troppe) sere alla versione italiana dell'imminente kde-3.0 e, fondamentalmente, perche' mi sto impigrendo. :-( Adesso, sto pensando di rifarmi sotto. Quindi, chi vuole potrebbe contattare Giuseppe Ghibo` [EMAIL PROTECTED] che coordina il team dei traduttori italiani. o [EMAIL PROTECTED] che coordina tutti i team. Io la considero un'utile esperienza. Credo che la Mandrake porebbe considerarla equivalente all'iscrizione al club. Infine, perche' no, potrebbe essere parte di un curriculum professionale per chi volesse, in futuro, fare il traduttore scientifico. La cosa e` tutt'altro che difficile: bisogna capire esattamente cosa si legge (ti insegna anche ad usare Linux) e padroneggiare abbastanza bene l'italiano per trovare una frase equivalente e non ... troppo piu` lunga ;-) Maggiori informazioni si trovano a partire dalla pagina: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/ . soprattutto dai link in fondo alla pagina. Altri link utili sono: http://i18n.kde.org/teams/it/ http://i18n.kde.org/ http://www.linux.it/tp/ http://softwarelibero.org/gnudoc/ ciao, andrea
R: [newbie-it] Mandrake in crisi!?
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/mdkfuture.php3 dove si parla della crisi economica di Mandrake. Ho letto l'articolo è da quanto ho capito hanno dei gravi problemi finanziari, ma solo a breve termine in quanto a medio-lungo prevedono buoni risultati: in poche parole prevedono di chidere il 2002 in profitto, ma al momento hanno i conti in verde. Quindi dicono che stanno cercando di sopravvivere a un problema difficile, ma che durerà solo qualche mese. Di Fresco Marco _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
[newbie-it] Cos'è Journaling?
Ciao a tutti, per prima cosa chiedo scusa se non chiudo gli altri thread che ho aperto (Installazione da partizione fat, Connesso o non connesso? e quello di mettere /home su partizione fat), ma al momento per motivi pratici ho bloccato l'uso di linux! Quando mi rimettero, se i problemi ci sarranno ancora, proverò le soluzioni che mi avete consigliato. Avrei un'altra domanda da proporvi, per la verità è solo una curiosita: sentendo parlare di linux ho sentito varie volte il termine Journaling (ho scritto giusto?)! Qualcuno mi sa dire di cosa si tratta? Mi sembra di aver capito che riguarda un tipo di filesystem! Grazie in anticipo. Di Fresco Marco ICQ #51985192 _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie-it] Cos'è Journaling?
Il giorno 22:23, mercoledì 13 marzo 2002 hai scritto: Ciao a tutti, per prima cosa chiedo scusa se non chiudo gli altri thread che ho aperto (Installazione da partizione fat, Connesso o non connesso? e quello di mettere /home su partizione fat), ma al momento per motivi pratici ho bloccato l'uso di linux! Quando mi rimettero, se i problemi ci sarranno ancora, proverò le soluzioni che mi avete consigliato. Avrei un'altra domanda da proporvi, per la verità è solo una curiosita: sentendo parlare di linux ho sentito varie volte il termine Journaling (ho scritto giusto?)! Qualcuno mi sa dire di cosa si tratta? Mi sembra di aver capito che riguarda un tipo di filesystem! Grazie in anticipo. Di Fresco Marco ICQ #51985192 Ciao Marco, visto che la spiegazione mi pare decisamente chiara, te la giro così com'è sul sito http://www.pluto.linux.it/journal/pj0201/pjjfs.html ... Buona lettura: «Immaginate ad esempio un uomo che sta svolgendo tranquillo le sue attività normali. Ad un certo punto, per cause che possono essere le più diverse, riceve una solenne botta in testa, sviene, e al risveglio non ricorda più nulla delle ore precedenti al trauma. Per di più si trova in un grosso stato confusionale; dovrà trascorrere molte ore cercando di riannodare i fili della sua mente, e non è neppure detto che ci riesca se i buchi nella sua memoria saranno troppo importanti. È insomma in una situazione molto vicina a quello che succede a un sistema che venga bruscamente interrotto nella sua attività: anche lui dovrà riannodare i fili dei dati in cui riscontra inconsistenze, ed anche lui affronterà gli stessi problemi e le stesse lungaggini. A questo punto immaginate però che l'uomo abbia la lodevole abitudine di tenere un diario di ogni azione da lui compiuta; gli basterà allora rileggere le ultime pagine del diario per sapere tutto ciò che ha fatto e che è, in breve tempo e senza possibilità di errore! Questo è esattamente quello che fanno i filesystem di questo tipo, denominati filesystem journaled: mantengono al loro interno un file speciale che agisce da diario (in inglese journal, appunto), dove registrano tutti i cambiamenti che vengono fatti a file e metadata. In questo modo, anche se tali cambiamenti non vengono poi fisicamente applicati, il filesystem ha comunque tutte le informazioni necessarie per riparare i disallineamenti. La soluzione, insomma, è semplice: in questo modo si risolvono in un solo colpo entrambi i problemi che abbiamo individuato poc'anzi, rendendo l'attesa al reboot molto breve (nella maggior parte dei casi di soli pochi secondi, indipendentemente dalla dimensione del supporto), e soprattutto garantendo in misura molto maggiore la sicurezza dei dati, che ben difficilmente subiranno danni. In alcuni casi potranno andare perduti gli ultimissimi dati scritti, quelli che non avevano fatto in tempo ad essere scritti fisicamente su disco, ma non vi sarà rischio di ritrovarsi file corrotti, e questo è decisamente molto importante. D'altro canto, per avere queste caratteristiche notevoli si paga un prezzo: il file di journal occupa un certo spazio su disco, quindi lo spazio d'immagazzinamento totale sarà minore che utilizzando altri filesystem. Inoltre, l'aggiornamento continuo del journal impiega tempo, e questo implica una generale lentezza delle operazioni: i filesystem journaled saranno più lenti rispetto ai loro colleghi non-journaled. Ovviamente, sta all'utente finale stabilire se e quanto questi aspetti negativi annullino i vantaggi di cui abbiamo parlato; dipende dal contesto in cui si opera, dal valore dei dati che si immagazzinano, dal rischio effettivo che corrono, e così via. Del resto, è sempre possibile creare soluzioni ibride, con partizioni di lavoro che utilizzano un filesystem normale, e partizioni d'immagazzinamento che ne utilizzano uno journaled; l'ideale insomma è aver la possibilità di scegliere tra entrambe le soluzioni in modo semplice e quanto più trasparente possibile, e per fortuna le cose si stanno muovendo proprio in questa direzione!» Ciao... Daniele
Re: [newbie-it] Cos'è Journaling?
Ottima spiegazione, io però ritengo che, per l'utente medio, il journaled file system non è assolutamente necessario ne conveniente. Penso sia molto più importante avere un sistema operativo veloce e robusto in modo da scongiurare per quanto possibile i pericoli di crash. Direi che i file system di questo genere siano adatti per server, macchine contenenti database ecc... In queste macchine il rapporto costi/benefici diventa sicuramente vantaggioso soprattutto perché (credo), oltre a scongiurare la perdita dei dati, siano drasticamente abbassati i tempi di ripristino. (un discorso a parte se, nel posto in cui si opera la corrente elettrica sparisce 13 volte al giorno). Ciao Leonardo
Re: [newbie-it] Cos'è Journaling?
io però ritengo che, per l'utente medio, il journaled file system non è assolutamente necessario ne conveniente. Beh, devo dirti che dopo un paio d'anni di ext2 ho provato l'ext3 con Mandrake 8.1 e i vantaggi sono evidenti anche per chi soffre di mancanza di corrente poche volte al mese. Di svantaggi ancora non ne ho notati... Ciao Marco
[newbie] Setting up the DVD
Hi, What is the way to set up the DVD in fstab (and/or wherever) I have no /dev/dvd which seems to be what my dvd player is looking for. At present I need to change it to dev/cdrom - that works. Walter -- Walter Logeman Psychotherapist http://www.psybernet.co.nz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Email Messages
Hi, I'm trying to send messages to my account on my Linux machine but it keeps bouncing. I have the ip address set up correctly, I have port forwarding for POP3 on my router, but I get the following: (reason: 554 email addr: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied) What does this mean and how can I fix this? How can I check to see if POP3 is working? Thanks, Paul __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all AND Geek vs whatever
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 12:33 am, David wrote: In answer to your off topic ??'s 1,2,3,4 re-install David Bainbridge, GA I grew up in Buckhead, GA. Know where that is ? ;) . still don't care for bill elliott all that much ... I'm a Earnhardt fan you see, I live'n die by #3 -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
On Tuesday 12 March 2002 09:30 pm, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Geez it's winter in South Texas and it hit close 30°C here today that's more commonly known as about 85° in these parts. Almost warm enough to hit the beach, not quite tho, still a little too chilly ;) Thought y'all were havin summer Down Under ? Since spring starts here in a few days... y'all fixin to do autumn ? Quaylar is from Austria, a nation in Europe [and a nice one at that :) ]. Austria != Australia I'm in Sydney, Australia [no Kangaroos here either, unless you travel a few hundred kilometres inland, or visit a zoo :) ]. It's 14:30 and 23 degrees Celsius (it's usually hotter, but we've had a lot of rain the past few days). You ruined my fun too soon Sridhar. What's a 'l' an a extra 'a' here'n there amongst friends? Jus' coupl'a 1000 miles and one equator, NBD ;) Betch'a Quaylar figured I was just playin' BTW, I believe my great great great grandparents are from Austria. Sort'a kind'a German, French, et al Can't spell it but it sounds somethin like Alsainse-Loraine (This is one'a the best threads we've had in a long time) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
alright, i am in... telkwa, bc, canada. it was 30c here, minus 30c that is. but now a balmy -10c fine spring weather indeed! light snow this year. only have two feet right now. ;-D Quoting Henry B. Wangle Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Guy, Arkansas USA Presently 40F slightly cloudy, Tomorrow just wait it will change Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all AND Geek vs whatever
On Tuesday 12 March 2002 10:32 pm, David wrote: OMG It's the dreaded List Police. Run, everyone TO ALL who have posted to this: This type of stuff has ABSOLUTLY NO, NONE , ZERO, NADA, ZILCH, place on this list. Please find a chat room. On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:18:22 -0800 Mithrilhall2000 Mithrilhall2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chicopee, Massachusetts -Original Message- From: Hanan Shargi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: March 12, 2002 7:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all Paul Vortex wrote this on his reply to programs running on wine post, and since there is this trend in the past 2 days in the list where people are posting things that are not neccesarily == ( never mind the spelling ...hint would be nice to add a spell checker in Kmail /hint) related to the list objectivs :) Why dont we people post in what part of the world r we ?? starter: Name: Hanan Country: Fairfax, VA United States IP: .. nah ;-) - Hanan AL-Shargi _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Registered Linux user #223705 Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
(This is one'a the best threads we've had in a long time) It has been funeven with the volumes of email that have come in today (that I'm adding to at the moment! ;-)) mushy stuff I usually just sit back, lurk and learn, but I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who contributes to this list. Almost evey question I've had has been answered by searching the archives, so the people who have helped me haven't even been aware they were doing it...so here's a big blanket thanks so much to everyone willing to spend a little time and share their expertise. /mushy stuff --Gina (who's still in san diego, and looking forward to another beautiful day tomorrow) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all AND Geek vswhatever
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:33:14 -0500 David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trimmed somewhat Take a look at /etc/security/limits.conf As I recall there is a parameter in there with has something to do with the problem you describe. Mind you this is from the land which holds the Americas Cup - STILL!!! Cheers John With that said, on to current problems I recently, against my better judgement and on advice given from someone on this list, performed an OS upgrade to fix a boot problem caused by altering my partition table. The problem is now fixed. I can boot without the boot disk now. BUT, this caused more problems: 1- I cannot su. error reads: su: cannot set groups: Operation not permitted 2- I cannot mount or umount as user. ( I could before ) 3- I cannot run a program as root. error reads: GET THIS Incorrect password! Please try again. 4- I cannot log in as root on CLI, only in GUI - this makes ABSOLUTLY NO sense to me whatsoever I have no idea how to fix any of these. Any help would be most appreciated. David Bainbridge, GA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Geek vs the rest dilemma. NOW NUTZ BOLTZ
Hi Damien, What distro was it? I still have a Full Box 8.0 which failed on my old machine and I am going to try it on another System which has a Ricoh CDRW. My plan now is try it and see - if it doesn't work on this one, I will try an 8.2 update I want to put the 8.0 on to get the IBM ViaVoice product which came with it ( wouldn't even install on the last try). The last few messages have given me a little hope again... Different machine: MSI 6320 Board P3 667 Chip On Board Video (Intel) 8513 series chips Als 4000 Sound card 1x Sony CD 1x Ricoh 7120A CDRW - Original Message - From: Damian Gatabria [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Answers to the Geek vs the rest dilemma. well, my machine? just a P2 400 MMX .. 256 MB Ram, 6,4 GB and 30 GB hd's, Intel 8 MB AGP video card, 64 bit Creative labs Sound... and yes, a Samsung 12x8x32 burner, which worked right after install. geek... i don't think i tinker enough with the stuff to fall into that category.. however i do spend a lot of time with my computer. i guess i'm kind of a hybrid between regular user and geek, kinda.. i got this Dr. Jeckill Mr. Hyde into me.. but concerning your questions.. absolutely no tweaking. MDK worked for me 100%. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Geek vs the rest dilemma.: How to tell a Geek - simplified
Hi Ed, Shane folks, For even further edification and the eluctation of any interloculators, may I present an even easier Geek test? Q1: Given the option of having a date with Britney or finagling a fix for that recalcitrant Soundcard, which would you choose? (a) Britney(b) The Box Q2: Would you consider it boring if HYPOTHETICALLY anyone, just anyone could plug in a Cd and do a full M8+ install, what would you do? (a) immediately switch and start learning a REAL system: Berkley! (b) Be happy for the lowly Users. Q3: Do you know the names of fifteen Command Line Utilities? (a) yes (b) no Q4: Do you opt to use the already available GUI display options to execute existing programs, or automatically crack open a Terminal? (a) Terminal (b) You crazy? Click it! Q5: You had no idea what a command line was until you discovered Linux (a) Always used them even in Windows. (b) I thought white on black was a Display theme! Q6: You always cook your own kernels. (a) Doesn't everyone, isn't it mandatory? (b) No, I order with Fries over the counter. Q7: You can remember 5 level path assignments for fifty executables and think anyone who uses autocomplete is a wuss. (a) What else is there to remember/think about? (b) You mean I don't have to write them down and type them in each time? Q8: You can have a complete conversation with another person about the latest distro and never complete a full word in actual English (or your native language). (a) Yes, of course(b) What is a distro? Q9: Your children, fellow employees, mate, never say the MS word without spitting and crossing themselves - even though Baptists. (a) Yes, and rub a Penguin icon.(b) What's a MS word? Q10: You see no reason why you can't enjoy the best of both worlds and use Win4lin as well. (a) What's Win4lin?(b) Yeah, what's Win4lin? If you scored more than one (a) you are geeky. 2 you are a worry 3 you are definitely a geek 4+. You need help to re-enter the real world. Or, not. (You aren't missing much) If you scored any more than one (b) you are a user! Cheers, Him Again - Original Message - From: ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Answers to the Geek vs the rest dilemma. hey shane, if it talks like a geek, and walks like a geek, and can install any OS, then Jon says you are a geekGRIN Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Email Service
Hi All, Forgive if this message appears twice, but I don't see it on the list. Question: How do I set up my computer as a POP3 account? When I try to send a message to my account on my Linux machine, I get the following bounce back: 554 email addr: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied 554 5.0.0 email addr... Service unavailable I have my IP address configured correctly on the DNS end and I have the proper port forwarding on my router. How can I check to see if POP3 service is running? If it is running, what could be the problem? Thanks again, Paul __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ?
OK, I got it now. Anyone who has positive input to your thread is a geek or power user Darn. Guess I buy the next box at Kmart. When Mandrake works then, can I please just be a user? Lee P.S. My real nightmares are all MS experiences from my dark past. Hi Lee, Thanks for your info, but you are a Power-User by the sound of the box specs! :-) I'm trying to determine if Linux - especially Mandrake is true to the old idea of not needing a monster box to run. I know of Linux Servers that are running on Steam-powered old things and just don't fall over. The sad thing is that I don't know anyone not at least a p/time geek who has made it all go without enough research and effort for a PhD. And of course, you mentioned 8.2 - which isn't even there for us chickens. Altho I noticed it got a couple of accolades on fixing earlier problems in reviews. The 8513 Chipset? The X Motherboard? Onboard sound, video? MSI Boards? (Models?) Asus Bds? (Models?) Anyone got Win4lin going in one go? Anyone got WINE to run anything? FrontPage? Has it ever happened? In a word.mostly 8.2 fired up everything nicely. Soyo Dragon Plus Radeon 7200 AMD Athlon 1900 Only problem isn't a Linux problem and I've said it before. I will probably have a WinBox 'til the cows come home because, in my business I have to communicate with people in their own (wordprocesser) language. When I get a letter in Word, I have to respond in Word to avoid obvious problems with recipients. WordPerfect in WordPerfect, etc. Frankly, I don't see where that is a problem. Linux is a tool, not a religion. It is doing faithfully everything that I expect, and did so right out of the ISO. Would that the rest of life were so simple. Every once in a while, I stumble around in the dark and either install a program or crash the computer, just for sport. Crashes and other self-inflicted wounds are becoming less frequent as Mandrake and I both evolve. More fun than a bowl of pollywogs. Lee -- Registered Linux user #223705 Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake's financial situation
sda wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 09:45:45AM -, Barran, Richard wrote: Morning all, I've received a very interesting Mandrake Community Newsletter this morning. I'm including here the two most relevant paragraphs: That said I'd like to join the club, however each time I've tried it asks for a credit card number and won't let me proceed without entering one. I'm quite surprised that MandrakeSoft doesn't provide for alternative methods of payment. I for one, *never* provide my credit card information online or over the telephone as a matter of principal. AND there are a few who will never get one ( Credit Card ) as a matter of principal. Why do I have to pay for something I don't realy need ?? I hope someone from MandrakeSoft gets this loud and clear. I will contribute, but only by cheque/mo `what-have-you' and a snail mail address. If they want our money I guess they have to ! Bye Peter Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ?
Hi Lee and folks, - Original Message - From: Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ? OK, I got it now. Anyone who has positive input to your thread is a geek or power user No, No! Anyone who has something positive to say will help give me heart to try it all yet again! But I need it to be someone who isn't an expert at it :-) Example: Many centuries ago, I hired a young kid to help me with a small problem I was having. I didn't know you couldn't do it so ... I was interfacing $5,000 Osborne Executive microcomputers (Transportable P.C.) to $55,000 Photoypesetting computers because they could do so much more. So, I was aiming for a $5000 really useful Terminal, instead of paying $23,000 for a real Terminal. The kid read machine code directly, like I read a Dunn's Report. ( Something most Software Engineers today have no idea of its even existence - but it is the ones and zeros end stuff.) He was very lonely. Nobody really understood anything he was talking about. I introduced him to some VHT (very high tec) people in the Big computer industry. He was mightily unimpressed. He worked 18 hours a day for a couple of weeks and then went away - found something more interesting somewhere else. But I had the first input system of its kind in the whole world - even the manufacturers couldn't work out how the kid did it. He did the analysis determined the technical job) programmed it, built the circuitboards, even devised a cable signal cleaner. Never even seen a Modem. I showed him how to use it and roughly what it did. He went and made up new ones for my branches that *really* worked - they were the first smart modems I ever knew of.. Could not type or spell to save his life. Could hardly read. You had to talk to him and show him what you wanted but once he understood... Now, he was the True Geek. Like the guys who think writing advanced computer games is easy. So geekness is a many faceted thing. It isn't the kid who knows a bit more than the true Newbie and quotes what he has read /been told, it is a state of mind - AND a knack with the tin boxes. But at the other end are the simple users - people like me who never want to see a command line if there is no reason to - who simply want to plug it in and go. Even Doze 98SE can do that. It can be done. Mandrake can do it. All that is necessary is to stop trying to be all things to all people. Put out a RETAIL product for the rest of us. We don't need Servers in a distro for God's sake! Or 5000 utilities that even the laws of statistics tell us will have a 50% no-go rate. We need an approved list of bits that work - like MS does, but on a smaller scale. We need small entrepreneurs who will put together setup boxes for people. OR help by installing it on existing systems - putting in Win4Lin (next version!) if necessary for already exposed users. But mainly putting in the equivalent, or literally, Wordperfect Office. 99% of all prospects out there only want/need to get on the net, write a letter, run simple accounts and have a source of help on line AT THEIR LEVEL. OK, I guess I AM an evangelist in a way. but I have a dream... well, a nightmare anyway - called Dot NET. Cheers, Him Again John Rigby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] alias problem
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 05:16, alex wrote: Did you restart your computer after you saved the alias or at least reboot?. I use a lot of aliases and after saving them, I just reboot back into Linux. Incidently, I have never put the aliases into $HOME/.bashrc or $HOME/.bashrc_profileThe only place I put them is into etc/bashrc, do a save and then reboot. You don't have to reboot. Just type $ source path to file eg. $ source ~/.bashrc skinky -- oxymoron: Microsoft Works Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:38:53 -0600, Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 12 March 2002 09:30 pm, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Geez it's winter in South Texas and it hit close 30°C here today that's more commonly known as about 85° in these parts. Almost warm enough to hit the beach, not quite tho, still a little too chilly ;) Thought y'all were havin summer Down Under ? Since spring starts here in a few days... y'all fixin to do autumn ? Quaylar is from Austria, a nation in Europe [and a nice one at that :) ]. Austria != Australia I'm in Sydney, Australia [no Kangaroos here either, unless you travel a few hundred kilometres inland, or visit a zoo :) ]. It's 14:30 and 23 degrees Celsius (it's usually hotter, but we've had a lot of rain the past few days). You ruined my fun too soon Sridhar. What's a 'l' an a extra 'a' here'n there amongst friends? Jus' coupl'a 1000 miles and one equator, NBD ;) Betch'a Quaylar figured I was just playin' Oops! My bad. I figured you were messing around but I saw your message mainly as an opportunity to get in on the thread. I guess it's one of those me too! kind of things ;) -- Sridhar Dhanapalan Bad design. I'm not touching it with a ten-foot pole. -- Linus Torvalds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ?
Hi Todd,
Thanks for the info.
But you are right you are disqualified! :-)
Home built box indeed! :-0
- Original Message -
From: Todd Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ?
Everything was easy. Things that have gone wrong have done so because I
tinker. It's the same thing I did with Windows95, and that's how I learn.
I have a feeling I'll be disqualified from your survey because I've used
acronyms and specified models.
Actually, though, putting a tinthing together is far easier than the
software side today.
You are right. If the Newbie is truly new to the PC - it will all be the
same - horrific! :-)
I had a friend who developed a serious reflex problem which left him able to
handle hitting keys but not the dreaded rodent.
I printed him out the standard keyboard shortcuts for W98 and then installed
some specials for him and macros.
Now I envy him!
His sister, a totally conditioned Apple-eater was finally shocked into
silence with the wizardry now possible on the derided PC.! :-{
Interestingly, it was the heart of the Apple success that it followed the
Ford Motor Co principle:
Any colour you like so long as it's black - coupled with the outrageous
lies of the totally brilliant marketing of the things. There were no
options, no choices, no nothing. Even the screens were mono long after the
world had moved on. BUT compared to how you were presented with a P.C. they
were SIMPLE TO USE because there were very few things it could do. Choices
were extremely limited.
This is what Linux needs. To reach the non-geek market. There are very few
geeks comparatively and they tend to be poor ( :-) ) There are squillions
of people out there whose first reaction will be to price. Nobody can do a
low-level low-cost deal like a Linux box can.
All we have to do is get it to work together by distinguishing the
prospects:
geeks and users
two TOTALLY different markets requiring a totally different approach and
product.
Cheers!
John
There aren't any great teachers, there are great absorbing subjects of the
time and greatly interested students. Without the latter there is no former
Kilneth.
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[OT] Re: [newbie] Answers to the Geek vs the rest dilemma.
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 02:45, john rigby wrote: Hi Michael, Then by definition they are ipso facto, NOT real Geeks. :-) NB: In the weird world of Computers, the hierachy is very strict. Techo's look down on the Marketeers, Programmers look down on both of them and REAL Designers don't even acknowledge the existence of any of the others except as nuisances on the long haul to PAI ( pure artificial intelligence). Operators think they're software engineers. Technicians think they're hardware engineers. Hardware and software engineers think they're computer scientists. Computer scientists think they're cognitive scientists. Cognitive scientists think they're philosophers. Philosophers think they're God. God thinks he's a sysadmin. (adapted from something fortune threw at me once) Robin -- Give me the views, and I'll give you the arguments. - Chrysippus Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
I hate to debate. However you're sucking me in. *Sigh* shane wrote: the real point here is that you can have the full KDE or the CL only and about 20 flavors in between. how many can you get on most other operating systems? ok now how many of those come with it? Yes I'll agree with that. But I still contend its not easy to do or setup properly for the avg user. I disregard 4 year olds, they know nothing, ergo they have nothing to learn but what you present to them. IOW, we've got habits as adults need to sometimes re-learn. It's tough. really it is, you just have to be totally new. i never could get the second graders i taught linux to understand why they had to know there was a c drive and a d drive and that the d drive on one machine is a CD and on another it the CD is e and... see above :) a _very_ large part of that is the install. if you could walk into your local compfryusacityeletric superstore and try out a few windows, a few linux and maybe a bsd before you buy, and go home with it all installed, huge parts of that would go away. Doubtful, and the install is not the largest problem. The largest problem is the way *Nix was evolved. It wasn't meant to be anything but a distributed computing environment. So it was not meant either to be used by anything but gurus. Configuration use aren't easy on Linux. Maybe that will change. I hope so. I mean, why do I have to edit a cfg file in *nix to get a modem to HUP NOHUP properly(If that's a good example?). My point...I can't even give a decent example because this OS is not intuitive. can I butt in here? no machine can be considered to be intuitive it can only be either be more or less intuitive, in relation to some other object. what if at some point some of the gurus said lets take this great open software, and make it ...well... use-able? by joe desktop? and to do that, lets start with hardware compatiblity and say easy install in a computer that already has windows installed hey since it is suppossed to be automagic, we can name it after a magician from the 60's comics,,, Mandarke The Magician. now mind you this is all a fantasy. and a sign I have way too much time to think and not enough to do with my hands. Granted M$'s isn't either in some ways, however they at least *attempt* to make it so, and do well at it for the most part. I'll leave the IRQ conflicts installation problems out of this. That's normal for any OS. Either way, we all will use the programs/software we find best for us. optimist! :-) Ya ya, sue me ;) I am, always will be. Life's too good not to be. Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
Augusta, Maine. - Original Message - From: Paul_Vortex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes... Walnut Creek (bay area) California here and bar hoping would _not_ be a good idea. can see a bunch of rowdy linux geeks in one bar? ;-) LoL... ever hear of Pigdog? Being a Sanfranciscan and all. PV. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ?
-Original Message- From: john rigby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 13 March 2002 10:34 To: Lee; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ? It can be done. Mandrake can do it. All that is necessary is to stop trying to be all things to all people. Put out a RETAIL product for the rest of us. We don't need Servers in a distro for God's sake! Or 5000 utilities that even the laws of statistics tell us will have a 50% no-go rate. We need an approved list of bits that work - like MS does, but on a smaller scale. We need small entrepreneurs who will put together setup boxes for people. OR help by installing it on existing systems - putting in Win4Lin (next version!) if necessary for already exposed users. But mainly putting in the equivalent, or literally, Wordperfect Office. 99% of all prospects out there only want/need to get on the net, write a letter, run simple accounts and have a source of help on line AT THEIR LEVEL. Music to my ears! Speaking as a relative newcomer to the world of Linux, I was at first impressed by how many applications came with LM8.1, then dismayed by how few actually worked out of the box, or did anything useful. I was reminded of the PCs that you can buy in England from a company called Time - the HDs are bloated with loads of applications such as another million indispensable fonts (release 3). Sounds impressive in the adverts, but that's it. I don't have much patience for a lot of the tosh that litters my installation CDs - for example, none of the CD burner software worked, most had absolutely no documentation, and many of the games seemed to crash straight away. And the games that did work... well, they made Solitaire look exciting. A retail release as suggested by John would be great for me - leave out all the server stuff *AND* any alpha/beta releases *AND* anything that's undocumented/has no help menus. Some people like the fun of getting an undocumented cd-burner GUI to run. I just want to burn MP3s. Yes, the success of Linux is down to people who like to tinker with things to get them to work, and no, I am not trying in any way to denigrate what they are doing. What I'm trying to say is that I totally agree with John that Mandrake can't be all things to all people - I'd say that to seriously appeal to users rather than geeks, you need a different version of the product: a cut-down version, not one with extra/different packages. By analogy, try this: You buy Windows in a retail pack. You try the included utilities, one is rubbish. You curse Microsoft. Then you download some shareware to try out, and it either works or it's rubbish. If it's rubbish, you shrug your shoulders and move on. Same rules should apply in the Mandrake world: everything that's on the retail Cd should work (especially if we're supposed to be paying for it nowadays). After that we'll take our chances with all the free RPMs/sources out there ;-) Just my EUR0.02's worth. Richard *** This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named recipient(s) only and are confidential and may be privileged. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or disclose them or any part of their contents to any person or organisation; please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and its attachments from your computer system. Please note that Internet communications are not necessarily secure and may be changed, intercepted or corrupted. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us and we will not accept any liability for any such changes, interceptions or corruptions. Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and its attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. Copyright in this e-mail and attachments created by us belongs to Littlewoods. Littlewoods takes steps to prohibit the transmission of offensive, obscene or discriminatory material. If this message contains inappropriate material please forward the e-mail intact to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it will be investigated. Statements and opinions contained in this e-mail may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods. Please note that e-mail communication may be monitored. Registered office: Littlewoods Retail Limited, Sir John Moores Building, 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB Registered no: 421258 http://www.littlewoods.com *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Setting up the DVD
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:11:52 +1300 Walter Logeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What is the way to set up the DVD in fstab (and/or wherever) I have no /dev/dvd which seems to be what my dvd player is looking for. At present I need to change it to dev/cdrom - that works. You do not need to change fstab. If your listing for your dvd is /dev/cdrom then su to root and enter: ln -s cdrom /dev/dvd Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake's financial situation
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 03:47, Tom Brinkman wrote: [snippet] Last, and probly the least contribution (Mandrake doesn't make much, the middle men do) is to buy Mandrake in a store like Wal*Mart or Best Buy, or other retail outlet. The one thing to be said in favour of this is that buying Mandrake (or whatever) encourages retail stores to keep stocking it, thus improving the visibility of the product, and of Linux in general. Here in Ankara, you don't see Linux distros in shops, though it's started making an appearance on the street (literally) next to all the pirated games and Windows CDs. Actually, the fact that you can pick up Windows 98/Me/2000 on the street for about $2 is probably one reason why Linux is still a rarity in Turkey - when Windows costs the same as two beers, the free speech vs. free beer distinction becomes academic. Paradoxically, pirating helps proprietary software by making sure the alternatives are ignored. In case anyone's interested, here's how I obtained my various distros: Office box: all FTP downloads from our university mirror, currently running 8.1. Home box: RH 6.0 - Cheapbytes Mandrake 7.0 - CD free with a computer magazine. Mandrake 7.2 - Cheapbytes Mandrake 8.0 - off the street I may get a boxed set for 8.2 - the download edition may well work out cheaper than Cheapbytes, when shipping is taken into consideration. I'd take a lot of persuading to buy the powerpack, though. Robin -- Give me the views, and I'll give you the arguments. - Chrysippus Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ? NOW what for?
Shane, You are being very, very rude and are thus, probably very, very young. I will however answer you. The reason the *quiet moneymakers* use Frontpage and the early 98 version at that, is because THE WORLD uses I. E. and I.E. compatibility. Nobody in their right mind wouldn't design expressly for I.E. It is 90%+ of the users. ( Professional real world marketers tend to look to these sort of things) No package known to me or that group, can do the cheap and quick product - that the world demands - the way it can, and then allow a small client to edit simply, on his own, using the freebie FP Express. Finally, the whole point *is* that I have had completely untrained people in the 100's install/upgrade their own Windows 98 on a simply prepared box over the years. ( I founded and ran a very large computer users group for many years). FACT: I and obviously, *very few others* have ever successfully been able to comfortably install Linux as is being proved on this list every day, by the great range of problems. I am returning to Mandrake's excellent community support once again, to see if it has evolved into something I personally can use and recommend to my friends. It appears that 8.1 was a big improvement over 8.0 and 8.2 beta is claimed to be even better. The vast majority of responses have been sincere attempts to enlighten me toward the chances of finding M8+ useful in a real business environment. Unfortunately, there are still very few users seriously using it except for fun and their own amusement/challenges. Serious use of it requires access to working/workable business programs at least equal to those in the vast majority. So far there seems to be none. Which leaves the Win4lin option. John The only people to really fear are those who know that they are right - especially those who are not Kilneth - Original Message - From: shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ? bullshit, really, seriously, FP is good only for creating MS documents for MSbrowsers, and anyone who thinks that is all you need will have a rude awakening when a combination of linux/mac/bsd users and AOL using gecko as their engine puts IE back under 40% on the browser share. front page is to the webpages what oil spills are to the environment, a big stinking mess that someone will have to clean or will just keep on destroying. i was taking you seriously until now. lets get one thing straight. anyone who can install any other OS can install linux. yes this leaves some people out, but those people couldn't install windows either. shall we make them all use type writers? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fpversion
Gerald Waugh wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Ronald J. Hall wrote: + uname -a for several things. ;-) You can do cat /proc/something for instance try cat /proc/cpuinfo do an ls /proc to see all the infor available -- Gerald Waugh Geralds right. One of the more useful cat /proc commands I use (especially if I'm trouble-shooting!) is: cat /proc/interrupts (help track down any nasty IRQ conflicts!) or cat /proc/pci |less Hope this is all helpful. ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake's financial situation: PayPal
Hi Femme, True? No! I think that is put around by the Banks. :-) It is especially useful to small traders trading internationally. It is on Fablor's recommended list. Has done wonders for some of their Academy members. The only real worry is that some operator will take them over. Cheers, John - Original Message - From: FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake's financial situation pay pal is also one of the most insecure methods of doing e-business so I'm told by a business friend of mine. True? No? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
Paul_Vortex wrote: shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes... Walnut Creek (bay area) California here and bar hoping would _not_ be a good idea. can see a bunch of rowdy linux geeks in one bar? ;-) LoL... ever hear of Pigdog? Being a Sanfranciscan and all. PV. Was just with a bunch of rowdy geeks last October on the Linux Lunacy cruise in the Caribbean... ;-) We managed to not run aground, sink the ship (or any islands!) although we did founder a few times...! grin -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
DanLori Buchanan wrote: Dan Buchanan Chicagoland (far north burbs) USA where it's been in the low 20s at 6:00 and might get to 50 today. Had that weather yesterday here in the hills of Eastern Kentucky (USA). Prestonsburg, to be exact...where I'm so far up in Conley Fork that our Saturday morning cartoons don't come in 'till Sunday! grin Its okay though, I've got Mandrake-Linux, the 'Net, and this mailing list...as well as an ice-cold beer... ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes... (in two messages!) ...Was just with a bunch of rowdy geeks last October on the Linux Lunacy cruise in the Caribbean... ;-) We managed to not run aground, sink the ship (or any islands!) although we did founder a few times...! grin... Oh yes... Linux Users and Parties... A dangerous Spocktail! ...Its okay though, I've got Mandrake-Linux, the 'Net, and this mailing list...as well as an ice-cold beer... ;-) There's that word again!... I hate being skint! PV. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ?
John I've followed this thread for a while and think I may be what you are looking for. I'm 58 yrs old and have a PII 266 with 64kb. Last year i bought mandrake 8.0 power pack, i stuck it in the cd and eveything went fine. I have KDE, Internet connection, web browsing, Star office, xmms, gimp, bluefish, gcash and loads of other things, also proper sound and all with vey little hassle although its a little slow. For me it was just as easy as M$98 which was my only other os install experience. Long live mandrake regards Pete Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Digital TV PCI cards - suggestions, recommendations, working setups, problems...
System: Mandrake 8.0 running on a Gigabyte GA-71XE4 mobo, Athlon 1.2GHz, 256MB ram and a 20Gb HDD. Very stable atm :) I would like to know if there is a PCI card that would enable me to view terestrial television broadcasts like bbc1, bbc2, bbc4, bbc knowledge, itv1, itv2, channel 4 and channel 5 using the signal from my ariel? I'm not interested in satellite or pay-to-view channels, but just the standard channels and the free digital-via-ariel channels. It would be great to use the linux box rather than buying a whole new television or buying a set-top-box for my old television, allowing me to view true widescreen output on a crisp monitor display. Do such cards also offer the possibility to capture programs onto the harddrive allowing for saving or just viewing later [digital VCR effectively]? Teletext would be a bonus, but not essential ;-) Hope you can help me with this question :) magnet Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all AND Geek vs whatever
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 12:08 am, David wrote: Yes this is a community, and it does have a very _welcome_ feel to it. But I have a point to make. My email a while ago received quite a number of replies. I have posted actual problems to this list more than a couple of times and the total number or responses from them all did not equal the ones from this evening (read: some were not answered at all). Is there something I am missing here? Do I just not get it? Someone help me out here. Dave Dave: As for what you're missing: In scanning through the responses, I noticed many references to beer, particularly in those posted last night. Cheer up, the sun will be under the yardarm soon enough. If not, consider raising the yardarm. (Mine's set to trigger about 4:30 this time of year.) Regards, -- cmg Located in Raleigh NC -- Redhat's soon-to-be home. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake's financial situation
sda wrote: Maybe they do, Maybe they don't, but the internet is NOT a safe place to be entrusting that kind of information to foreign third parties. I hope debit card acceptance proliferates soon. I think a debit card is worse than a credit card -- money is drawn directly from your bank account with a debit card. With a credit card there is at least some limitation on your liability under certain circumstances (like a stolen card / number, etc.) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] connection sharing partly blocked
I have my connection sharing working almost prefectly. The only problem is with a windows program called direct connect. It is a p2p program. When I run it with windows connected directly to the internet it runs perfectly, but connected through linux with firewall stopped it cannot reach out to search. Is there a way to make the linux connection sharing completely transparent? Thanks in advance, Stojs Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARRRRRGH Big stinky MESS!!!! (was : Xwindows and RPMdrake problems}
Hi Paul There is a way recovering lost/destroyed partition table. When you are done with your partitioning and installing necessary OS'es, do 'fdisk -l /dev/hdX' from command line.With Linux fdisk, not the DOS one (replace X with a for ide1, b ide2 etc.). Then write the output down or print it. That way you have something to start with if the tables get lost again. Remember to update the info if you modify the partitions after installation. For recovery you have to have somekind of media to run Linux from, a rescue floppy or rescue-CD. For example the Mandrake installation CD includes rescue mode IIRC. That is of course if the BIOS supports bootable CD-ROMs. I have used this method couple of times with success, once Window$ decided it's not happy with current partitions and ate the partition table. So I booted Linux (with floppy) from the other hard disk and restored the partition table with the info provided by fdisk. The important sections from fdisk -l output are Device, Boot, Start, End, Id and System. 'man fdisk' for additional info. Cheers, J. On Wednesday 13 March 2002 05:37, you wrote: Is it just *ME*!? I tried the suggestion for doing an update install of the Mandrake 8.1 and the whole thing went *HAYWIRE*! For some reason, it still wanted to mess around with *partitions*! I got mixed up and must've clicked the wrong button and it destroyed my partitions set up... Totally unrecoverable!... My regular windows boot couldn't even *see* the C:\ drive! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Geek vs the rest dilemma. NOW NUTZ BOLTZ
What distro was it? 8.1 Download Edition I still have a Full Box 8.0 which failed on my old machine and I am going to try it on another System which has a Ricoh CDRW. i downloaded 8.0 as well, but never tried it much. looked good anyway. My plan now is try it and see - if it doesn't work on this one, I will try an 8.2 update by do we wanna see 8.2 :o) I want to put the 8.0 on to get the IBM ViaVoice product which came with it ( wouldn't even install on the last try). The last few messages have given me a little hope again... have faith. brotha ;oP Different machine: MSI 6320 Board P3 667 Chip On Board Video (Intel) 8513 series chips Als 4000 Sound card 1x Sony CD 1x Ricoh 7120A CDRW - Original Message - From: Damian Gatabria [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Answers to the Geek vs the rest dilemma. well, my machine? just a P2 400 MMX .. 256 MB Ram, 6,4 GB and 30 GB hd's, Intel 8 MB AGP video card, 64 bit Creative labs Sound... and yes, a Samsung 12x8x32 burner, which worked right after install. geek... i don't think i tinker enough with the stuff to fall into that category.. however i do spend a lot of time with my computer. i guess i'm kind of a hybrid between regular user and geek, kinda.. i got this Dr. Jeckill Mr. Hyde into me.. but concerning your questions.. absolutely no tweaking. MDK worked for me 100%. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] descent3 demo install
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:03:51 +0100 Stojs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed the MESA, and I still get the same error message. Do I have to configure MESA or is there anything else to do? (Sorry for the incorrect subject on my last post in the thread) I hate to be the one to break this to you but the S3 Savage card Does Not have DRI support in XFree. This means that all GL apps are software rendered. For some this is fine but when play a game demo such as Descent you need DRI. You can check this site for more info http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html Were I in your position and it was within my budget I would look at replacing the video card. The ATI Xpert2000 is a good card (32MB Rage 128) and if you do not mind OEM you can find it online for as low as $25. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Email Service
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:17:39 -0800 (PST) Pauljames Dimitriu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Forgive if this message appears twice, but I don't see it on the list. Question: How do I set up my computer as a POP3 account? When I try to send a message to my account on my Linux machine, I get the following bounce back: 554 email addr: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied 554 5.0.0 email addr... Service unavailable I have my IP address configured correctly on the DNS end and I have the proper port forwarding on my router. How can I check to see if POP3 service is running? If it is running, what could be the problem? My problem is that once I fix something, I never remember how I did it :( So, are you running Postfix or some other mailer? Have you verified that the service is running either through Webmin or the Control Center? If you are running a firewall, make sure you don't have your mailer blocked. Can you send mail to an outside addy using your local account? Todd -- Todd Slater What does education often do? It makes a straight cut ditch of a free meandering brook. (Henry David Thoreau) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Geek vs the rest dilemma. NOW NUTZ BOLTZ
-- Mensaje reenviado -- Subject: Re: [newbie] Geek vs the rest dilemma. NOW NUTZ BOLTZ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:46:00 -0300 From: Damian Gatabria [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What distro was it? 8.1 Download Edition I still have a Full Box 8.0 which failed on my old machine and I am going to try it on another System which has a Ricoh CDRW. i downloaded 8.0 as well, but never tried it much. looked good anyway. My plan now is try it and see - if it doesn't work on this one, I will try an 8.2 update by do we wanna see 8.2 :o) I want to put the 8.0 on to get the IBM ViaVoice product which came with it ( wouldn't even install on the last try). The last few messages have given me a little hope again... have faith. brotha ;oP Different machine: MSI 6320 Board P3 667 Chip On Board Video (Intel) 8513 series chips Als 4000 Sound card 1x Sony CD 1x Ricoh 7120A CDRW - Original Message - From: Damian Gatabria [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Answers to the Geek vs the rest dilemma. well, my machine? just a P2 400 MMX .. 256 MB Ram, 6,4 GB and 30 GB hd's, Intel 8 MB AGP video card, 64 bit Creative labs Sound... and yes, a Samsung 12x8x32 burner, which worked right after install. geek... i don't think i tinker enough with the stuff to fall into that category.. however i do spend a lot of time with my computer. i guess i'm kind of a hybrid between regular user and geek, kinda.. i got this Dr. Jeckill Mr. Hyde into me.. but concerning your questions.. absolutely no tweaking. MDK worked for me 100%. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ? NOW what for?
You know, I didn't want to say anything about this, however I should just for relevence. I currently do both PHP and ASP programming for various customers, as well as myself. I use Frontpage for quite a few things. Yes it does produce SOME bad code, however 2002 does produce acceptable code for the basic layout. I do alot of rough work, and table planning and outlining in frontpage, just because I find it handles it better then Dreamweaver. Now, I'll admit that I don't polish these pages w/ Frontpage, that would be silly as it honestly doesn't do a great job. But if I didn't want to polish these pages they would be more then acceptable in either Mozzilla, or IE. I personally found FP the nicest on code I put in manually. Too often I've opened up a page in Dreamweaver and have it start to reformat the HTML code on me. Not only that, but I really like the window switching that was enabled in 2002 for multiple windows open. When I'm doing mass edits (5+ files) I don't like having all 5 windows open w/ Dreamweaver... it becomes very clutered. The Child Window system of Fronpage makes life alot easier. As for the world running on unix, linux, freebsd, and other direvitives (sp?) that's very true. It's also true that quite a few LARGE companies who license a lot of microsoft products have a lot of intranet servers running IIS just because it's easy for them to set up their windows file share server with IIS for the various groups that want to have webpages. Ohh... one last thing. For the person who said that really web designers hand code HTML. That's fine. You code your complex table structure manually. I personally will do it in a WYSIWYG editor myself... for me it takes way less time. Nelson On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 10:39, sda wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:28:50PM +1000, john rigby wrote: Shane, You are being very, very rude and are thus, probably very, very young. I will however answer you. The reason the *quiet moneymakers* use Frontpage and the early 98 version at that, is because THE WORLD uses I. E. and I.E. compatibility. You really are incorrect SIR. Being that Im in publishing and that includes divisons that do *complete* Web design as well as SFX for filmwork and tradional publishing I'm qualified enough to give a rebuttal. I've been in this business for 15 years. Nobody and I mean nobody, uses FrontPage in the professional world. It would be like people doing professsional print design using M$ Pubisher as opposed to Quark, Framemaker, InDesign and PageMaker. The reason? The code generated by FrontPage is atrocious and only works `sometimes' with IE, and ASP, the whole WORLD doensn't use ASP or MIIS. Most professional web design is done by designers who do the nice look using DreamWeaver and/or GoLive. They both produce reasonably clean html. Some designers actually use something like HomePage, or BBEdit as they prefer to tweak raw code. Then the look is handed over to the second tier who do the backend stuff, the programmers, who tie it all into PHP,ASP for serverside dbases using Perl, Python and XSLT, in additon to other fine languages. Very few of these operations run on M$ software. So FrontPage is useless, and additonal time is spent fixing up the atrocious results, which isn't preferable in a production environment. The hobbyists - like FrontPage as it's easy to produce relatively nice looking pages in their default browser. But as soon as db enter the eqation, and most corporate websites use them, FrontPage use is out of the question. Nobody in their right mind wouldn't design expressly for I.E. It is 90%+ of the users. ( Professional real world marketers tend to look to these sort of things) Again you really don't know whereof you speak. The software that runs the internet runs on Linux, BSD or Unix hardware/software - not M$. That's what counts. -- -^- -^- ? ?Steve ^ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' ` Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
US - Great Lakes region Akron-Cleveland Ohio area Medina, Ohio, US to be specific But I miss the Eastern Kentucky mountains. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
On Tuesday 12 March 2002 07:48, Hanan Shargi opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: Walnut Creek (bay area) California here and bar hoping would _not_ be a good idea. can see a bunch of rowdy linux geeks in one bar? ;-) Gee, I recall a special Linux tour to Germany a couple of years ago. Really, you could probably find it in the archives of comp.os.linux.announce. Linux lectures during the day and Brauhauses for the evenings. Unfortunately, my commitments and finances did not permit. I visualized it as either as extreme fun or extreme, um, well, let me just say I saw no middle ground :-) Now this bunch sounds as if a few days could be interesting and relaxing. Fred Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] network
At 18:59 12.03.2002 +, you wrote: Hello all, I have my network up and running great. I can access the Linux machine from the win box. Could some give me a point in the right direction on how to access the win box from Linux? Thanks -- Registered Linux user #225209 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com samba is your friend ;) ! www.samba.org http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/connect/csamba.html --qu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing WordPerfect on Mandrake 8.1??????
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 08:33, Wm. G. McGrath opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: Has anyone had any success installing Word Perfect 8 on Mandrake 8.1? you will need libc-5.3.12-35mdk.i586.rpm and ld.so-1.9.5-13.i386.rpm both of which can be found at places like rpmfind.net or tuxfinder. if you can't locate them, and don't mind a 2 MB attachment i can send them to you. -- There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't. shane http://shentzu.home.mindspring.com/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org/ cause humans do it better! Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Hex dump at startup
Title: RE: [newbie] Hex dump at startup -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Moye Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Hex dump at startup Greetings, I have a Gateway 200mhz 256 MB RAM, with 2 hard drives. The master ide drive is with Win 2000. The slave drive has Mandrake 8.1. The CD ROM is an ide. Setup ran fine. (several times in fact). Lilo dual boot seems fine. I get a GUI lilo screen, and if I pick Windows, then Win2000 loads just fine. If I pick Linux or failsafe, it begins to start just fine, uncompresses OK and starts to boot the kernel. But then I get a hex dump to the screen, in the format of [C01073e7] and this continues indefinitely. Same with GRUB. I looked in the archive and someone reported the same issue and was given the following answer: At the boot menu press F1 and at the boot prompt enter: linux nobiospnp. After you have successfully booted edit your lilo.conf with the nobiospnp append and then rerun lilo. That should take care of your problem Please allow me to be dense. What boot menu? At the boot menu that has Linux, failsafe, Windows? My F1 key does nothing in lilo or grub. I have also tried the F1 at startup time to get to the system setup and changed the pnp settings. No joy. I have a feeling that I am missing something real basic here. Any suggestions? I suppose that I am paying for the First go install success that occurred with 7.2 on another machine (IBM) two years ago. Thanks in advance, -- Tom Moye [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Vermont USA _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Tom, stick the first CD in the drive, boot from that cd and when that first screen pops up, press F1 and then you can type in the linux nobiospnp and hit enter. HTH
[newbie] change ultrasparc bootup sequence
Title: RE: [newbie] Hex dump at startup Any one know how to change ultraspac bootup sequence so it boots from CD?
Re: [newbie] Mandrake's financial situation
Every Linux distro I have and used has been bought. Primarily because downloading any of them is not feasible with my dial up connection and the users who want to go online. If I had a high speed connection then, honestly speaking, would download Linux for free. The donation part is a little goofy side, again speaking frankly, so I tend to believe that my purchasing 4 Linux distros from $40 and up is helping. Please don't get offended with my remarks on the donation part as a way of contributing to the Open Source Community. I can imagine having to work hard and be paid by donations would make me and maybe many others very insecure with their financial future. Its a harsh world and money is a part of it. Still, though this is a bump in the road and don't see it effecting Linux in the whole. Linux-Mandrake on the other hand is having business woes which every company who wants to compete is and has to go through. The management will have to adapt and make the necessary changes to keep alive and eventually grow. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] System Getting Sluggish
I've been having a problem in Linux and I have no idea where to look for the culprit.
My problem is that, periodically, while I'm online (and only when I'm online), the
system will get extremely sluggish to the point where I usually have to power down and
reboot.
When this happens, there are sounds like there's a lot of hard disk activity going on
and it never stops.
I've tried unplugging the modem, but it doesn't do any good.
Does anyone know why this happens?
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Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ?
john rigby wrote: Hi Lee and folks, - Original Message - From: Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ? OK, I got it now. Anyone who has positive input to your thread is a geek or power user No, No! Anyone who has something positive to say will help give me heart to try it all yet again! But I need it to be someone who isn't an expert at it :-) Example: Many centuries ago, I hired a young kid to help me with a small problem I was having. I didn't know you couldn't do it so ... I was interfacing $5,000 Osborne Executive microcomputers (Transportable P.C.) to $55,000 Photoypesetting computers because they could do so much more. So, I was aiming for a $5000 really useful Terminal, instead of paying $23,000 for a real Terminal. The kid read machine code directly, like I read a Dunn's Report. ( Something most Software Engineers today have no idea of its even existence - but it is the ones and zeros end stuff.) He was very lonely. Nobody really understood anything he was talking about. I introduced him to some VHT (very high tec) people in the Big computer industry. He was mightily unimpressed. He worked 18 hours a day for a couple of weeks and then went away - found something more interesting somewhere else. But I had the first input system of its kind in the whole world - even the manufacturers couldn't work out how the kid did it. He did the analysis determined the technical job) programmed it, built the circuitboards, even devised a cable signal cleaner. Never even seen a Modem. I showed him how to use it and roughly what it did. He went and made up new ones for my branches that *really* worked - they were the first smart modems I ever knew of.. Could not type or spell to save his life. Could hardly read. You had to talk to him and show him what you wanted but once he understood... Now, he was the True Geek. Like the guys who think writing advanced computer games is easy. So geekness is a many faceted thing. It isn't the kid who knows a bit more than the true Newbie and quotes what he has read /been told, it is a state of mind - AND a knack with the tin boxes. But at the other end are the simple users - people like me who never want to see a command line if there is no reason to - who simply want to plug it in and go. Even Doze 98SE can do that. It can be done. Mandrake can do it. All that is necessary is to stop trying to be all things to all people. Put out a RETAIL product for the rest of us. We don't need Servers in a distro for God's sake! Or 5000 utilities that even the laws of statistics tell us will have a 50% no-go rate. We need an approved list of bits that work - like MS does, but on a smaller scale. We need small entrepreneurs who will put together setup boxes for people. OR help by installing it on existing systems - putting in Win4Lin (next version!) if necessary for already exposed users. But mainly putting in the equivalent, or literally, Wordperfect Office. 99% of all prospects out there only want/need to get on the net, write a letter, run simple accounts and have a source of help on line AT THEIR LEVEL. OK, I guess I AM an evangelist in a way. but I have a dream... well, a nightmare anyway - called Dot NET. Cheers, Him Again John Rigby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com OK, My 14 year old son took a downloadable CD set (8.2 Beta4) and installed it. His 13 year old friend then did the same. Neither asked me any questions. They are happily playing crossfire on the internet. Both used Recommended installs then downloaded the crossfire rpms from Mandrake-devel. They prefer it to Windows-compatible crossfire which they claim crashes a lot with loss of experience points for their game characters. On my son's computer, a single-board VIA C3-733MHz processor based item with AC97 sound and Trident Cyberblade video, the crossfire sound worked without a tweak. 8.0 had a deadly problem for those who had off-board controllers for IDE drives, like some ASUS motherboards and some rigs with Promise Chipsets. Unless the Freq release following 8.0 is used, it will see the drives one way during install and try to boot them a different way later, resulting in an unbootable system, for a few hardware configurations. Anyway, the number of systems that will install out of the box with no tweaks is increasing, but some do still require some effort. There are ways the hardware configuration can be analyzed and 8.1 and 8.2 have easily accessible alternate install and boot images to take care of older systems and weird systems. And 8.2 as it is soon to be released will support vastly more hardware than windows XP, and
Re: [newbie] network
Have a look at vnc. It come with md8.1. It lets you take control of the desktop of one from the other. Great tool. And it is free. You will have to download the version for the win machine. Rick On Wed, 13 March 2002, quaylar wrote: At 18:59 12.03.2002 +, you wrote: Hello all, I have my network up and running great. I can access the Linux machine from the win box. Could some give me a point in the right direction on how to access the win box from Linux? Thanks -- Registered Linux user #225209 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com samba is your friend ;) ! www.samba.org http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/connect/csamba.html --qu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
Title: RE: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul_Vortex Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes... Walnut Creek (bay area) California here and bar hoping would _not_ be a good idea. can see a bunch of rowdy linux geeks in one bar? ;-) LoL... ever hear of Pigdog? Being a Sanfranciscan and all. PV. Nebraska Cornhusker here, but not fanatical about it. Been all over the world so I know there is life outside of the midwest. Ha! Dennis M.
Re: [newbie] Setting up the DVD
On Thu, 14 Mar Walter Logeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoke thusly: What is the way to set up the DVD in fstab (and/or wherever) I have no /dev/dvd which seems to be what my dvd player is looking for. At present I need to change it to dev/cdrom - that works. What are you trying to do? Mount a movie? When I installed Ogle, I had to make a sym link from /dev/hdd (my DVD drive) to /dev/dvd: ln -s /dev/hdd /dev/dvd If you do that, you can use /dev/dvd in fstab. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hex dump at startup
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:49:22 -0500 Tom Moye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I have a Gateway 200mhz 256 MB RAM, with 2 hard drives. The master ide drive is with Win 2000. The slave drive has Mandrake 8.1. The CD ROM is an ide. Setup ran fine. (several times in fact). Lilo dual boot seems fine. I get a GUI lilo screen, and if I pick Windows, then Win2000 loads just fine. If I pick Linux or failsafe, it begins to start just fine, uncompresses OK and starts to boot the kernel. But then I get a hex dump to the screen, in the format of [C01073e7] and this continues indefinitely. Same with GRUB. I looked in the archive and someone reported the same issue and was given the following answer: At the boot menu press F1 and at the boot prompt enter: linux nobiospnp. After you have successfully booted edit your lilo.conf with the nobiospnp append and then rerun lilo. That should take care of your problem Please allow me to be dense. What boot menu? At the boot menu that has Linux, failsafe, Windows? My F1 key does nothing in lilo or grub. I have also tried the F1 at startup time to get to the system setup and changed the pnp settings. No joy. I have a feeling that I am missing something real basic here. Any suggestions? I suppose that I am paying for the First go install success that occurred with 7.2 on another machine (IBM) two years ago. Thanks in advance, -- Tom Moye [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Vermont USA Hi, I found this: --- Solution: Press ESC when you see the LILO bootloader screen, and type linux nobiospnp. The system will boot correctly, giving you the change to edit /etc/lilo.conf. Add the nobiospnp option to every append= line in lilo.conf, then run /sbin/lilo, and reboot. --- If this doesn't get you a boot prompt I will try to get the prompt myself but to test this I'll have to reboot :( -Frans (in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, 5 degrees Celcius :) ) Btw, I just saw the post from Dennis: Two ways of doing the same thing? Though 'my' solution requires being able to boot to at least the 'LILO' screen from the harddisk. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Setting up the DVD
Charles, You do not need to change fstab. If your listing for your dvd is /dev/cdrom then su to root and enter: ln -s cdrom /dev/dvd What I did (I found the answer just browsing the ogle list) was: ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/dvd To the same place by another route. The cdrom is a DVD/CD-RW combo and set as a scd0 somewhere. I wonder if there is any difference in the two ways of doing it? Anyway its done. And another bit of learning about linux achieved, simple though it may seem to some - it still has to be learnt. Walter -- Walter Logeman Psychotherapist http://www.psybernet.co.nz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] System Getting Sluggish
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, cervix couch wrote: %_ I've been having a problem in Linux and I have no idea where to look for the culprit. My problem is that, periodically, while I'm online (and only when I'm online), the system will get extremely sluggish to the point where I usually have to power down and reboot. When this happens, there are sounds like there's a lot of hard disk activity going on and it never stops. I've tried unplugging the modem, but it doesn't do any good. Does anyone know why this happens? THRASHING!!! You need more RAM Linux is trying to run swapping everything back and forth to the hard drive -- Gerald Waugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake's financial situation
You make a very interesting point and I think I can follow up with an example. I live near a huge electronic store called Fry's Electronic. I have purchased everything from my laptop, the parts for my own gigahertz tower, two monitors, iMac, Linux-Mandrake 7.0-7.1 and 8.0, WindowsME and XP, digital camera, cabling up the whazoowell needless to say I get all of my toys there. Up to the release of Linux-Mandrake 8.0 they had stockpiled most of the well known Linux distros. Last trip I was told when I asked about where and when the 8.1 would be available and realized that Red Hat had dominated the shelves. Corel was gone so was Linux-Mandrake and Suse had been cut to a 1/3. BSD had now joined the fray. The store clerk told me there was no point in keeping Mandrake since there was a vast majority flocking to Red Hat and BSD had been demanded for a while. There are other stores where they are still keeping Mandrake, but they have mentioned the same thing. For the immediate area there is not much demand for it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Lycoris or Mandrake?
Hi there: I am an old windows user that is tired and sick of Microsoft's policies. So I turned to Linux and I now Love this OS and the open source community. I only have one problem with Linux and that's the ease of use. I used to use Red Hat 7.1 for a couple of months and then I found out that it wasn't for me. I was able to find my way trough KDE but couldn't play my VCDs for example. Also I never understood tar files. Now I'm in search for the easiest Linux Distro. I really don't too many software packages or stability ( any Linux Distro is Stable comparing to Windows). I just need the easiest to use Distro. I found out that Mandrake is the Distro that everybody says suits my needs. But I also found out that there is a Company named Lycoris ( formerly known as Redmond Linux) that is making a Distro called Desktop/LX. As far as I can see it's very easy to use. It is very user friendlyfor windows users and it use WINE ( by default) and also play DVDs and VCDs Automatically ( I really like this). As far as I can see other than Documentation there is no clause for me to use Mandrake.( also I'm a little concerned about mandrake soft's financial problems). Maybe this is not the right place to ask this question because it is a Mandrake mailing list. But I really can't make up my mind in this mater. I am going to buy One of these distros in about a week. Please help mein this. Linux eager Newbie Aryan Ameri
Re: [newbie] System Getting Sluggish
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 22:31, Gerald Waugh wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, cervix couch wrote: %_ I've been having a problem in Linux and I have no idea where to look for the culprit. My problem is that, periodically, while I'm online (and only when I'm online), the system will get extremely sluggish to the point where I usually have to power down and reboot. When this happens, there are sounds like there's a lot of hard disk activity going on and it never stops. I've tried unplugging the modem, but it doesn't do any good. Does anyone know why this happens? THRASHING!!! You need more RAM Linux is trying to run swapping everything back and forth to the hard drive Given that it only happens online, it sounds like it could be more than a simple RAM problem, though getting a lot of RAM might well solve it. for a quick check, while offline, run a lot of RAM-heavy processes at the same time. For example, open the GIMP, get it to do some complicated rendering on a couple of big graphics files (or better still, do some 3D rendering ,f you have a program like Blender), then open StarOffice, then, hell, I don't know, compile some source code or something. If the system doesn't complain too much while it's doing all this, you do _not_ have a RAM problem. If it's purely an online phenomenon, the culprit could be fetchmail, which can slow things down a lot, or possibly Netscape, which is a real RAM-hog, and sometimes chokes while trying to load a dodgy plugin (4.* is notoriously buggy; 6.2 is much better, but seems to use even more RAM). Again, you can test by disabling the fetchmail daemon if it's running, then opening a nice simple web page in Konqueror. You might also want to check that you haven't inadvertantly instaled some servers that you don't actually want to use (sounds silly, but it happens). BTW, for a typical workstation install, 64MB of RAM should be enough (though you might want to cook dinner while you wait for Star Office to open) and 128MB is plenty. If you want to do stuff like video capture or 3D animation, you'll need a lot more, and a fast processor into the bargain. At the other extreme, I've run Mandrake with 32MB of RAM, but that was too slow to run KDE (IceWM worked fine). Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] System Getting Sluggish
Gerald Waugh wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, cervix couch wrote: %_ I've been having a problem in Linux and I have no idea where to look for the culprit. My problem is that, periodically, while I'm online (and only when I'm online), the system will get extremely sluggish to the point where I usually have to power down and reboot. When this happens, there are sounds like there's a lot of hard disk activity going on and it never stops. I've tried unplugging the modem, but it doesn't do any good. Does anyone know why this happens? THRASHING!!! You need more RAM Linux is trying to run swapping everything back and forth to the hard drive -- Gerald Waugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com What browser are you using? Several will fill the memory with cache and not flush. The command line bdflush -d will display the settings for the flush. Share them and we will know more. If the message is command not found, INSTALL bdflush and start it without parameters at boot time--put the line bflush as the next to last line of /etc/rc.local Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Setting up sound - help
Scott, If the laptop is a company computer, I'm guessing there are others in your company--others running Winblows. Take a look at System Properties on one of those Winsux machines to determine what card it has, what IRQ it likes, etc. Then configure the card in your Linux box manually. Miark On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:55:41 -0600, Burrows, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoke thusly: Hi all, I've a MD 8.1 distro - works well. I purposly did not allow the sound card to be configured at install since I'm using a laptop at work for this and it's all having to be done on my own time. But my company has since shown support for me learning Linux as such I'd like to get my systems sound working. I've (at a terminal window as root) run sndConfig. It could not determine what sound card I have probably cuz it's an older Dell laptop. I'm concerned if I put the install CD's back in it'll attempt to re-do the partitions and stuff. Suggestions? Thanks Scott Burrows For every victory, let it be said of me,... my source of strength, my source of hope, is Christ the Lord. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] rsync over ssh
Hallo! I'd like to use draksync to sync my laptop and pc, and i'd prefer to use rsync over ssh instead of insecure ftp... I've used ssh-keygen to create public and private key but now i don't know what to do... can you help me? 8-? Thanks! -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain AOL quini2k ICQ 11407395 www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] need to re-install OS
I need to re-install OS. Can I do so without having to re-install all my apps? Is it possible to save some of my setting? If it matters my partitions table is as follows: Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda8 489992299049165643 65% / none 79456 0 79456 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda11 7218432 3329464 3522288 49% /home /dev/hda10 3020140844508 2022216 30% /usr Also what is that partition @ mnt point /dev/shm? I didn't put that there. tia Dave -- °°° Mandrake Linux 8.1 Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk KDE 2.2.1 Sylpheed 0.7.2 David L. Steiner Registered Linux User #262493 Homepagewww.davidlsteiner.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] An apology and a round of virtual beer
Being the guy who initiated the Minimizing the cult-factor-thread, I've learned a few things : 1. Never raise a general question unless you are prepared to get carried away big-time. 2. Dvorak was wrong : Nobody (well, almost) here wants to keep linux for themselves (the Ferrari versus the Ford - syndrome). 3. Very, very few geeks here (geeks drink Coke, not beer). 4. Femme Fatale is english, not french. 5. One question answered, ten more raised. 6. You CAN have it all : Mandrake ! (The pure-at-heart can just rpm -e all the eye-candy i.e. KDE, Gnome, XFCe, Blackbox, Enlightenment etc.. Then XFree86 itself and thus enjoy the command-line in all its beauty. The rest of us can do as we please). 7. I can create an alias for myself and join the Mandrake Club once more. And I will. 8. My english needs improvement. 9. It's a small world. Probably more than that, but I don't care right now, 'cause I've just opened my fridge and poured myself a big foamy glass of Carlsberg. Raised it to my big mouth and pronounced : Cheers, all - I love you more than somewhat ! Kaj Haulrich Denmark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] connection sharing partly blocked
Stojs wrote: I have my connection sharing working almost prefectly. The only problem is with a windows program called direct connect. It is a p2p program. When I run it with windows connected directly to the internet it runs perfectly, but connected through linux with firewall stopped it cannot reach out to search. Is there a way to make the linux connection sharing completely transparent? Thanks in advance, Stojs Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Well, Active FTP won't work through a firewall/connection sharing scheme either. It appears that this may be a similar case, sending out machine-specific addresses which it picks up from netstat (which is a program existing in both worlds)for reply, and of course if your meachine is behind a connection sharing device (even a router) without a real internet address, (using one of the local-only sets 10.x.y.z or 172.16.y.z through 172.31.y.z or 192.168.y.z) then no reply over the internet is possible because the routers won't relay the message. This is specific to your program rather than to the sharing setup, all of which use a form of Network Address Translation or masquerading to put several machines through one internet-valid IP address. Chances are it will work only in direct connect unles it, like FTP, has a passive mode not requiring port commands. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[OT] HTML editors. [Was: Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ? NOW what for?]
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 20:25, Nelson Bartley wrote: [snippets] I currently do both PHP and ASP programming for various customers, as well as myself. I use Frontpage for quite a few things. Yes it does produce SOME bad code, however 2002 does produce acceptable code for the basic layout. I do alot of rough work, and table planning and outlining in frontpage, just because I find it handles it better then Dreamweaver. Now, I'll admit that I don't polish these pages w/ Frontpage, that would be silly as it honestly doesn't do a great job. But if I didn't want to polish these pages they would be more then acceptable in either Mozzilla, or IE. To be fair, a lot of the bloated, non-standard pages that litter the web are produced with Frontpage Express, rather than the full Frontpage, which I am told allows you to specify the HTML version you want. And the really sucky pages are often produced, not with HTML editors, but with MS Word. But I try not to blame the authors, many of whom are new to the web. When I started, I too used Save as HTML and didn't notice anything was wrong until I started getting emails about my unreadable pages. I was also pointed to a program called demoronizer which stripped MS smartquotes (an oxymoron). I didn't know what to do with it, so I mailed back and got the reply, Just untar it and run it on the file, no arguments needed, or something like that. Like Huh? That was my introduction to UNIX, which got me into Linux. Ohh... one last thing. For the person who said that really web designers hand code HTML. That's fine. You code your complex table structure manually. I personally will do it in a WYSIWYG editor myself... for me it takes way less time. I asked a friend of mine who teaches web design what tools he had his students use. His answer was pencil and paper. Ironically, WYSIWYG tools work fine in the hands of people who learnt their HTML the hard way. Sorry if this is way off topic, but I did mark it as such! BTW, I'm happy to see off-topic mails on this list (I'd be a hypocrite if I wasn't) but I'd appreciate it if people could put OT or something in the header. Then I can read those first ;-) And please change the subject header when the subject gets too far from the original post. Sometimes I miss really entertaining polemics because they still have a subject like Re: SB AWE64 drivers. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] I love you guys.
I love you guys. With the palm syncing working correctly on rc1 (I hadn't tried since december), I now have no more reason to use win other then to play my silly games. If I wasn't broke (or rather in debt), I would sign up for a 20$/month club package. You guys are great. Time for a virtual hug. :) Nelson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] An apology and a round of virtual beer
well said! On Wednesday 13 March 2002 14:40, Kaj Haulrich opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: 2. Dvorak was wrong : Nobody (well, almost) here wants to keep linux for themselves (the Ferrari versus the Ford - syndrome). ver y true, linux users are highly evolved beings you see ;-P 6. You CAN have it all : Mandrake ! (The pure-at-heart can just rpm -e yeah! 7. I can create an alias for myself and join the Mandrake Club once more. And I will. i may have to buy gift memberships. -- sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. all other sins are invented nonsense. (hurting yourself isn't sin, just stupid) -heinlein shane http://shentzu.home.mindspring.com/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org/ cause humans do it better! Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] need to re-install OS
On Thursday 14 March 2002 00:25, David wrote: I need to re-install OS. Can I do so without having to re-install all my apps? Is it possible to save some of my setting? If it matters my partitions table is as follows: Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda8 489992299049165643 65% / none 79456 0 79456 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda11 7218432 3329464 3522288 49% /home /dev/hda10 3020140844508 2022216 30% /usr Since most apps are in /usr, your apps may well survive the reinstall (unless you reformat /dev/hda10, of course!) so long as you install the same libraries etc. No guarantees, though. There may be some things in /bin or /sbin that will be broken, but my guess is that it's unlikely - these are usually system thingies that will be reinstalled. Some apps may be in /opt, so you should back them up first, and copy them to your new /opt (no problems with dependencies there, since, if I've RTFMed correctly, /opt is for self-contained apps that don't follow the normal Linux tree structure). Also what is that partition mnt point /dev/shm? I didn't put that there. Beats me - /dev is always full of mysterious stuff! But since it's all hardware-related, it shouldn't make any difference to a reinstall. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[somewhat OT] Re: [newbie] An apology and a round of virtual beer
On Thursday 14 March 2002 00:40, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Being the guy who initiated the Minimizing the cult-factor-thread, I've learned a few things : 1. Never raise a general question unless you are prepared to get carried away big-time. True, but that's what makes it fun! 2. Dvorak was wrong : Nobody (well, almost) here wants to keep linux for themselves (the Ferrari versus the Ford - syndrome). True - we want the whole world to be geekified ;-) 3. Very, very few geeks here (geeks drink Coke, not beer). Nah. Real geeks dring Jolt. 4. Femme Fatale is english, not french. 5. One question answered, ten more raised. 6. You CAN have it all : Mandrake ! (The pure-at-heart can just rpm -e all the eye-candy i.e. KDE, Gnome, XFCe, Blackbox, Enlightenment etc.. Then XFree86 itself and thus enjoy the command-line in all its beauty. The rest of us can do as we please). Exactly. People who call for a stripped down, newbie-friendly Mandrake (or a no bloated apps, serious geeky Mandrake) are ignoring the fact that, as with most distros, you, the user, choose how much or how little you install. Anyway, the lost-beyond-all-hope geeks use Debian. 7. I can create an alias for myself and join the Mandrake Club once more. And I will. 8. My english needs improvement. Very little, I would say (speaking as an English teacher). 9. It's a small world. Probably more than that, but I don't care right now, 'cause I've just opened my fridge and poured myself a big foamy glass of Carlsberg. I'm jealous. I'm drinking Efes Dark, which is the closest Turks get to an English beer. That's why I usually stick to raki. Raised it to my big mouth and pronounced : Cheers, all - I love you more than somewhat ! Me too. It's good to find a computer-related list that is both friendly _and_ informative. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OTM$ to stop shipping windoze?
Anyone think they would do it? http://theregister.co.uk/content/4/24278.html Bill Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Geek vs the rest dilemma. NOW NUTZ BOLTZ
well if you would ever ask a question, instead of acting so damn know it all, you might get an answer that will at least get you started in the direction of getting your box to run the way you want. if all you are willing to part with is I still have a Full Box 8.0 which failed on my old machine then you may not ever figure out what is wrong with the way you are trying to set up your box. where did it fail? what were the error messages. heck, do you expect the OS to work without tweaking in every possible hardware combination? I guess it would have to to allow an install by someone _you_ consider a non-geek so when you wrote menu for CP/M, whom was your employeer? and who kept the intellectual property rights? I am very interested in the history of early software. On Wednesday 13 March 2002 03:41, you wrote: Hi Damien, What distro was it? I still have a Full Box 8.0 which failed on my old machine and I am going to try it on another System which has a Ricoh CDRW. My plan now is try it and see - if it doesn't work on this one, I will try an 8.2 update I want to put the 8.0 on to get the IBM ViaVoice product which came with it ( wouldn't even install on the last try). The last few messages have given me a little hope again... Different machine: MSI 6320 Board P3 667 Chip On Board Video (Intel) 8513 series chips Als 4000 Sound card 1x Sony CD 1x Ricoh 7120A CDRW - Original Message - From: Damian Gatabria [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Answers to the Geek vs the rest dilemma. well, my machine? just a P2 400 MMX .. 256 MB Ram, 6,4 GB and 30 GB hd's, Intel 8 MB AGP video card, 64 bit Creative labs Sound... and yes, a Samsung 12x8x32 burner, which worked right after install. geek... i don't think i tinker enough with the stuff to fall into that category.. however i do spend a lot of time with my computer. i guess i'm kind of a hybrid between regular user and geek, kinda.. i got this Dr. Jeckill Mr. Hyde into me.. but concerning your questions.. absolutely no tweaking. MDK worked for me 100%. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lycoris or Mandrake?
i should also have pointed out you can download mandrake for a test run so to speak, if you have doubts, in case you didn't know. having said it, if you do like it, please buy it. support real software.. -- We are Linux. Resistance is measured in Ohms. shane http://shentzu.home.mindspring.com/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org/ cause humans do it better! Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OFF Topic: Unix TTY Config Question
I know this is off topic but most ppl with linux exp have some unix.(openserver 5.06). Are server runs a distribution package that prints to both spooled and direct(/dev/ttyx). I am migrating the information from the old server to a new. How do I configure a tty port to the correct settings to match my printers? If i use print manager then everything works like a champ but if I use the tty port then at about 2 or 3 pages everything gets garbled. I am assuming this is a handshaking issue. Thanks. Paul Kraus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Digital TV PCI cards - suggestions, recommendations, working setups, problems...
yes, any wintv pci card should work great, as long as the card supports PAL the software will too, the brooktree drivers (BTTV84X chips) work fine in my mandrake setup, and have in every version since 7.0, right out of the box. On Wednesday 13 March 2002 12:10, you wrote: System: Mandrake 8.0 running on a Gigabyte GA-71XE4 mobo, Athlon 1.2GHz, 256MB ram and a 20Gb HDD. Very stable atm :) I would like to know if there is a PCI card that would enable me to view terestrial television broadcasts like bbc1, bbc2, bbc4, bbc knowledge, itv1, itv2, channel 4 and channel 5 using the signal from my ariel? I'm not interested in satellite or pay-to-view channels, but just the standard channels and the free digital-via-ariel channels. It would be great to use the linux box rather than buying a whole new television or buying a set-top-box for my old television, allowing me to view true widescreen output on a crisp monitor display. Do such cards also offer the possibility to capture programs onto the harddrive allowing for saving or just viewing later [digital VCR effectively]? Teletext would be a bonus, but not essential ;-) Hope you can help me with this question :) magnet Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
Santa Rosa de Copan, Honduras http://www.srcopan.vze.com/ 23 celsius, warm and sunny On Tue, 2002-03-12 at 09:45, Paul_Vortex wrote: Hanan Shargi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... Name: Hanan Country: Fairfax, VA United States IP: .. nah ;-) Greenock, Scotland here. PV. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re :[newbie] I got the 2nd NIC start another round ?
Hanan, I'm jumping in without having read the previous stuff in this thread, but have you installed a firewall on the linux box? This would seem to be the most likely reason you can't ping it - if the rules have been set to drop pings on the local LAN interface. If you have installed a firewall, perhaps you could post the config file. HTH Brian On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 08:25, Hanan Shargi wrote: For the life of me I cant seem to get the w2k machine to see the linux machine which is really weired coz If w2k can get through the internet how cant it see the linux machine ?!!@!: I can ping the w2k from linux ( both by IP and by host name ) but I cant do the same from the w2k, the w2k can ping itself but cannot see the linux machine. w2k machin can only ping 10.x.x.x (= the isp's gateway ) here is the latest configurations, (I'v been tampering with them all day): W2K machine: IP: 192.168.0.2 w2k.mylan.com w2k ( dont worry gerald these are fake nakmes :) ) the hosts file has: 192.168.0.1linux.mylan.comlinux 192.168.0.2w2k.mylan.com w2k --- the same info is in /etc/hosts plus: 10.x.x.x hostname.my_isp_lan.com eth0 has the 10.x.x.x IP( static / onboot ) eth1 has the 192.168.0.1 IP ( static / onboot) -- what I'm I missing here ? - Hanan AL-Shargi Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] need to re-install OS
Dave, I need to re-install OS. Can I do so without having to re-install all my apps? Is it possible to save some of my setting? Probably, but if you want a stable system, you should really start afresh. If it matters my partitions table is as follows... I personally use two partitions: one for / and one for /home. But most of your settings will be in /home, so you may as well keep your partitions as is. That is, keep your partitions as is, and format them all except /home. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hex dump at startup
This may or may not answer you correctly *Forgive me if I'm wrong*. The F1 answer I don't understand either. However I do understand the part about editing lilo.conf. Just find that file on your harddrive, load it into an editor edit it so it reads: linux=vmlinuz (default):nobiospnp. Alternatively, in the Bios itself, turn OFF PNP if that is an option. It has the same effect IIRC. HTH Femme Tom Moye wrote: Greetings, I have a Gateway 200mhz 256 MB RAM, with 2 hard drives. The master ide drive is with Win 2000. The slave drive has Mandrake 8.1. The CD ROM is an ide. Setup ran fine. (several times in fact). Lilo dual boot seems fine. I get a GUI lilo screen, and if I pick Windows, then Win2000 loads just fine. If I pick Linux or failsafe, it begins to start just fine, uncompresses OK and starts to boot the kernel. But then I get a hex dump to the screen, in the format of [C01073e7] and this continues indefinitely. Same with GRUB. I looked in the archive and someone reported the same issue and was given the following answer: At the boot menu press F1 and at the boot prompt enter: linux nobiospnp. After you have successfully booted edit your lilo.conf with the nobiospnp append and then rerun lilo. That should take care of your problem Please allow me to be dense. What boot menu? At the boot menu that has Linux, failsafe, Windows? My F1 key does nothing in lilo or grub. I have also tried the F1 at startup time to get to the system setup and changed the pnp settings. No joy. I have a feeling that I am missing something real basic here. Any suggestions? I suppose that I am paying for the First go install success that occurred with 7.2 on another machine (IBM) two years ago. Thanks in advance, -- Tom Moye [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Vermont USA _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ? NOW what for?
No.. Dreamweaver Can work w/ wine, however it does not work as quickly, nor is it as functional as on windows. (I personally coulnd't get it to install.) NB On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 20:13, FemmeFatale wrote: snip sda wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:28:50PM +1000, john rigby wrote: Shane, . Most professional web design is done by designers who do the nice look using DreamWeaver and/or GoLive. snip As an aside, is it possible, as someone on this list wanted to give up M$ for Linux...but couldn't b/c dreamweaver won't work on Linux w/out problems. Is it possible instead to use Codeweavers Wine to help in that effort? Just curious wondering, not that I know wtf Dreamweaver is :) Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] apache mod_dav install
Has anyone installed the mod_dav module for apache? http://www.webdav.org/mod_dav/ I get an error Cannot load to server: /usr/lib/apache/libdav.so: undefined symbol: XML_SetElementHandler /usr/sbin/httpd how do I get / find XML_SetElementHandler -- Gerald Waugh http://frontstreetnetworks.com New Haven, Connecticut USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] NVIDIA driver w/ rc1 KDE
Heyo. I've just installed my nvidia driver (hadn't bothered until now) and all of a sudden all of my kde fonts have changed. It doesn't appear to affect any programs other then those that run off of KDE. Is there a way to set my fonts back to the way they were before I installed my nvidia driver? I'm not quite sure what happened but here's an exact list of what I did. Downloaded most recent glx and kernel src rpms. rebuilt kernel src rpm installed rebuild kernel rpm and glx rpm edited XF86Config-4 file added load glx in appropriate spot changed driver nv to driver nvidia restarted X-server Then my fonts changed. Any help would be appreciated and I can provide config and log files if needed. Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lycoris or Mandrake?
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 04:53 pm, Aryan Ameri wrote: Hi there: I am an old windows user that is tired and sick of Microsoft's policies. So I turned to Linux and I now Love this OS and the open source community. I only have one problem with Linux and that's the ease of use. I used to use Red Hat 7.1 for a couple of months and then I found out that it wasn't for me. I was able to find my way trough KDE but couldn't play my VCDs for example. Also I never understood tar files. Now I'm in search for the easiest Linux Distro. I really don't too many software packages or stability ( any Linux Distro is Stable comparing to Windows). I just need the easiest to use Distro. I found out that Mandrake is the Distro that everybody says suits my needs. But I also found out that there is a Company named Lycoris ( formerly known as Redmond Linux) that is making a Distro called Desktop/LX. As far as I can see it's very easy to use. It is very user friendly for windows users and it use WINE ( by default) and also play DVDs and VCDs Automatically ( I really like this). As far as I can see other than Documentation there is no clause for me to use Mandrake.( also I'm a little concerned about mandrake soft's financial problems). Maybe this is not the right place to ask this question because it is a Mandrake mailing list. But I really can't make up my mind in this mater. I am going to buy One of these distros in about a week. Please help me in this. Linux eager Newbie Aryan Ameri Aryan: Earlier this week, there was a very favorable review of lycoris at linuxorbit.com. (I'm not familiar with the site, or the credibility of its reviews.) The big appeal of lycoris is that it sets up a basic KDE desktop made to look pretty much like Windows -- down to the wallpaper clouds. You don't get a lot of options. (Which is not necessarily a bad thing for a newbie.) I found one of the comments to be very interesting: The poster said that he would continue to use Mandrake for his work machine, but he would install Lycoris for others who just needed a basic desktop system. (There's some irony there... hang around linux for a while and you'll see what I mean.) Before you make your decision, I would suggest you poke around the lycoris sites (www.lycoris.org -- support, and www.lycoris.com -- marketing), and then do the same at the linux-mandrake site. In particular, look at the support resources available at Mandrake -- the mail lists, mandrakeuser.org (check out both the docs and the forum sections), the tutorials, etc. Granted that a simple installation doesn't need as much support, but then it doesn't provide the options, either. Also bear in mind that lycoris is a brand new system. Mandrake has been around for quite a while. Good luck, -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] kmail attachments
Hi, I am unable to receive attachments from co-workers. I have three separate email accounts. I am able to receive attachments on two of the accounts but on the third, all I receive are the message headers. No attachment. Unfortunately, I must be able to use this account; it is my work account. I have not made any changes to the setup in KMail settings. I believe that the originating mails are sent from Groupwise. Any thoughts? TIA, Bill W. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] kmail attachments
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 10:03 pm, Bill Winegarden wrote: Hi, I am unable to receive attachments from co-workers. I have three separate email accounts. I am able to receive attachments on two of the accounts but on the third, all I receive are the message headers. No attachment. Unfortunately, I must be able to use this account; it is my work account. I have not made any changes to the setup in KMail settings. I believe that the originating mails are sent from Groupwise. someplace along the line someone is filtering attachments to stop virus propogation. Probably the senders email server. -- Gerald Waugh New Haven, Connecticut USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ?
john rigby wrote: Hi Shane, Sorry you are disqualified, too! :-) You are obviously very techo if not Geek! What I'm chasing is whether any non-tech/geek people have ever succeeded. These are Users. People who simply want to make/improve their earning capacity via increased productivity. People who are ancient - like over 30. At last I found a field in which I can qualify! Vis: Anyone who has previously successfully installed any kind of Network is disqualified. :-) Oops! I am disqualified! I happened once to plug a localtalk cable to a laserprinter. And it worked. Anyone who LOVES the challenge of computer exercises. The THRILL of recovering trashed records, totalled systems. No, seriously this time: As for the success history: I have bought Mandrake 8.0 powerpack. Once I inserted the disks, I had to follow the menus only and I didn't have to reply to obscure questions Every board was detected, the printer worked at once. As for the network, yes, I had to condigure it (i.e. I had to choose "DHCP" to connect to my modem), and that was it. KMail worked at once, KWord, K-everything. So to summarize, I didn't have to configure anything except DHCP and the screen resolution after first reboot. As for FrontPage, I don't know, I have never used it. But netscape's editor works well for all what I want to do. As a comparison, I didn't success to fully install Win 98. it asks obscure questions, it needs 4 or 5 reboots + one extra reboot after each driver install. And the top, the cherry on top of the cake: when you install a driver, Win is not even able to find the driver itself in the floppy / CD you insert. You have to point the path. It is not even capable of knowing that it has to search not in the NT directory, but in the W98. This was the end of my w98 experience. Fortunately, I didn't pay for it. Well, this is way off-topic. Sorry. Back to Mandrake. Now the critics: - Installing the system in Japanese is not smooth and there is some work to be done. Not very geeky, but nevertheless it has to be done. I am looking foreward to installing 8.2. to see how it works (I couldn't get an error-less download yet, so I guess I'll have to wait for the CDS). - CD burning software is geeky (at least for me). I opened the GUIs for CD burning, and there are tons of buttons, asking me whether I want ISO something, Joliet (or was it Romeo???) or whatever. So I bought a G4 and I fry my CDs with it. By the way, does anyone know a _SIMPLE_ GUI for CD burning on Linux? I mean an interface with 3 buttons: burn, erase, and open file? A further choice music / data / disc image would be acceptable although it should be the burner's job to decide what to do according to the contents. All the geeky stuff should be in the prefs. As for the productivity, it never freezes. Win used to freeze once a day, or at least several times a week. From that point, it was as stable as MacOS. But now, I didn't freeze Linux over about 1 year. I also like the ability of writing pdf files, and I have a high compatibility degree with my colleagues. I really hope Japanese will work out of the box for later releases in order to start Linux evangelism here. That's about it for the "usable out of the box" subject. As a conclusion: - as long as you install an english (and probably all other western language) system, you get everything working at once without computer knowledge. All the network / ISP parameters are on your ISP contract. - There are still a few geeky softwares that you have to get used to. Although this is not an OS issue, the average end user does not necessary understand where the OS / application border is. Yes, there are some first go success stories with a very minimal knowledge. Well, if you don't know what a mouse is, like president Chirac, I'm not sure you will success. Pascal Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Any First Go success stories ?
What was the original question to this posting? On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:29:51 +0900 Pascal Pascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: john rigby wrote: Hi Shane, Sorry you are disqualified, too! :-) You are obviously very techo if not Geek! What I'm chasing is whether any non-tech/geek people have ever succeeded. These are Users. People who simply want to make/improve their earning capacity via increased productivity. People who are ancient - like over 30. At last I found a field in which I can qualify! Vis: Anyone who has previously successfully installed any kind of Network is disqualified. :-) Oops! I am disqualified! I happened once to plug a localtalk cable to a laserprinter. And it worked. Anyone who LOVES the challenge of computer exercises. The THRILL of recovering trashed records, totalled systems. No, seriously this time: As for the success history: I have bought Mandrake 8.0 powerpack. Once I inserted the disks, I had to follow the menus only and I didn't have to reply to obscure questions Every board was detected, the printer worked at once. As for the network, yes, I had to condigure it (i.e. I had to choose DHCP to connect to my modem), and that was it. KMail worked at once, KWord, K-everything. So to summarize, I didn't have to configure anything except DHCP and the screen resolution after first reboot. As for FrontPage, I don't know, I have never used it. But netscape's editor works well for all what I want to do. As a comparison, I didn't success to fully install Win 98. it asks obscure questions, it needs 4 or 5 reboots + one extra reboot after each driver install. And the top, the cherry on top of the cake: when you install a driver, Win is not even able to find the driver itself in the floppy / CD you insert. You have to point the path. It is not even capable of knowing that it has to search not in the NT directory, but in the W98. This was the end of my w98 experience. Fortunately, I didn't pay for it. Well, this is way off-topic. Sorry. Back to Mandrake. Now the critics: - Installing the system in Japanese is not smooth and there is some work to be done. Not very geeky, but nevertheless it has to be done. I am looking foreward to installing 8.2. to see how it works (I couldn't get an error-less download yet, so I guess I'll have to wait for the CDS). - CD burning software is geeky (at least for me). I opened the GUIs for CD burning, and there are tons of buttons, asking me whether I want ISO something, Joliet (or was it Romeo???) or whatever. So I bought a G4 and I fry my CDs with it. By the way, does anyone know a _SIMPLE_ GUI for CD burning on Linux? I mean an interface with 3 buttons: burn, erase, and open file? A further choice music / data / disc image would be acceptable although it should be the burner's job to decide what to do according to the contents. All the geeky stuff should be in the prefs. As for the productivity, it never freezes. Win used to freeze once a day, or at least several times a week. From that point, it was as stable as MacOS. But now, I didn't freeze Linux over about 1 year. I also like the ability of writing pdf files, and I have a high compatibility degree with my colleagues. I really hope Japanese will work out of the box for later releases in order to start Linux evangelism here. That's about it for the usable out of the box subject. As a conclusion: - as long as you install an english (and probably all other western language) system, you get everything working at once without computer knowledge. All the network / ISP parameters are on your ISP contract. - There are still a few geeky softwares that you have to get used to. Although this is not an OS issue, the average end user does not necessary understand where the OS / application border is. Yes, there are some first go success stories with a very minimal knowledge. Well, if you don't know what a mouse is, like president Chirac, I'm not sure you will success. Pascal -- °°° Mandrake Linux 8.1 Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk KDE 2.2.1 Sylpheed 0.7.2 David L. Steiner Registered Linux User #262493 Homepagewww.davidlsteiner.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
