Well, they considered that. Read the study and let me know what you think.
Dana
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:08:03 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > I just read the study and find it fairly convincing. It seems that if
> > your name is Jamal or LaToya employers don't even
> Dana wrote:
> I just read the study and find it fairly convincing. It seems that if
> your name is Jamal or LaToya employers don't even read the rest of the
> resume.
I wonder what would happen if you completely left race out of it and
just used odd names:
Sequoia
Nevaeh
Alamea
Kai
I bet you'd
I just read the study and find it fairly convincing. It seems that if
your name is Jamal or LaToya employers don't even read the rest of the
resume.
Dana
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:07:19 -0500, Larry C. Lyons
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> You can read the paper here:
>
> http://econ-ww
My point. In such a case, the sound of the name is what's being tested, not
the ethnicity of the subject. This might well be xenophobia and not racism
(though xenophobia is close enough to it).
> I hate to say it but the chances are that they would show a similar
> effect. I suspect that other hi
I hate to say it but the chances are that they would show a similar
effect. I suspect that other highly ethnic names would also have a
lower callback than "white" names.
One mitigating factor apparently is location. The location of
busineose businesses had a mitigating factor - businesses locate
When I get home. I'm dealing with a million dollars in lost orders or so.
Fun. :(
It's not the lilly white names I'm worried about, it's the ones that don't
sound lilly white. Will Moshe, Shemaryahu or Hinda Tova be treated as if
they were white, black or 'other' (i.e. black category)? Is Judith an
Michael,
You can read the paper here:
http://econ-www.mit.edu/faculty/?prof_id=mullain&type=paper
The names were, pardon the expression, fairly lilly white.
The authors did address many of the same concerns.
larry
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:55:06 -0500, Michael Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> Larry wrote:
> Ergo it would appear that your hypothesis that AA is no longer needed
> is not tenable.
>
You didn't address my 2nd and 3rd points though:
2.) If we agree that discrimination is a problem, is AA the right
solution aimed at the right source of the problem?
3.) If discrimination
And what of other 'ethnic' names, regardless of color? What of Jewish
sounding, German sounding, Asian sounding, etc. Correlation does not imply
causation. Was it the 'non-whiteness' of the name as in the 'blackness of it
or was it the 'non-whiteness' of the name across the board? Will a
Shemaryahu
The study itself just looked at "Black" vs "White" names for a total
of 36 names all told. (black vs white, male vs female - as an aside
the "female" resumes got significantly fewer callbacks as well).
As for the discriminating, the study only sent the resumes in response
to job ads placed by com
> Larry wrote:
> For instance that study I linked to
> that used resumes showed significant discrimination, with resumes with
> "black" sounding names having about 50% fewer callbacks than those
> with "white" sounding names. This held when the resumes were
> essentially identical and when the empl
I find it interesting that there was a whole lot of personal anecdotes
exchanged but not a lot of research. I think that the available
research is very telling however. For instance that study I linked to
that used resumes showed significant discrimination, with resumes with
"black" sounding names
> Dana wrote:
> Well, Mike asked us to drop the thread and I suppose he is right.
Oops - just saw that too. Great thread though!
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Actually, I was just being sneaky and asking for a subject change so that
the system doesn't fry with a 360+ message thread. :)
There's just so many facets here that the numbers never tell the full story.
In NY (and probably in a lot of 'blue states') we see one result while in
other places we see
Well, Mike asked us to drop the thread and I suppose he is right. I
don't see any minds getting changed here. I can see that affirmative
action may seem insulting but personally? I don't see programs for
women that way and was very glad to get my SBA loan, thank you.
I find it frankly incredible th
> Angel wrote:
> >I'm saying that if a minority can easily get into a top university,
> This is not true.
> >and can easily get a top position at a top firm
> And neither is this.
Gel, I don't find your sources credible because my personal and
on-going experience is so completely different.
My w
> Dana wrote:
> What about all those black men in prison? Surely you don't
> think they're there because the system is fair.
>
I'm embarassed to say that I've had a few run-ins with the law myself,
some my own fault, and some for screwy reasons.
The biggest experience was when I got a parking t
>I'm saying that if a minority can easily get into a top university,
This is not true.
>and can easily get a top position at a top firm
And neither is this.
And that has been what I have proven to you repeatedly with the research and
statistics which I posted.
And , to throw this back to you ag
I think Gel is suggesting AA might make them not have to make quite so
many sacrifices.
Dana
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:11:14 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Angel wrote:
> > the black person that has to work 4 times as hard to
> > get to the same damned place!That isn't right, and
> Angel wrote:
> the black person that has to work 4 times as hard to
> get to the same damned place!That isn't right, and it isn't fair
Nope, it's not fair, but life isn't fair! And I'm not saying if
there's one black CEO then there's no problem.
I'm saying that if a minority can easily get in
I apologize for the misunderstanding then. Are you saying you are
black? I do accept the apology either way .
> I'm not white! And I don't mean to lecture you, so I apologize if it
> comes across that way.
this is what I was thinking when I went into this conversation.
However what about those U
> Dana wrote:
> It's a little insulting to hear a white male lecture me on overcoming
> obstacles.
I'm not white! And I don't mean to lecture you, so I apologize if it
comes across that way.
However I mean to be clear on my point: sure there's discrimination,
but we don't need affirmative acti
His postulate is:
if exists (female or minority CEO) then np.
And by the way, you are right, the same argument could be applied to AA.
if exists (employed white male) then np
Dana
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:06:51 -0400, Angel Stewart
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's an insipid argument, it isn
It's an insipid argument, it isn't logic.
By the same argument if there is one white man that gets a job inspite of
Affirmative Action, then the program is not a problem.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
what numbers? You posted a list. Your logic appears
Pure BS and propaganda.
I'm talking about the average white person that does not have to face the
discrimination and the racism in America succeeding, as
opposed to the black person that has to work 4 times as hard to get to the same
damned place!That isn't right, and it isn't fair,
and your arg
oh please. I don't see myself as a victim thankyouverymuch. But just
for my information anyone ever tell you anything of the kind? I didn't
think so. So please don't patronize me.
It's a little insulting to hear a white male lecture me on overcoming
obstacles. You don't have a clue and you don't
> Dana wrote:
> what numbers? You posted a list. Your logic appears to be that if
> there is at least one woman CEO, then women are not discriminated
> against. And the same for minorities!
>
Both you and Gel are not understanding what I'm saying. I am not
saying that America is fair and discri
what numbers? You posted a list. Your logic appears to be that if
there is at least one woman CEO, then women are not discriminated
against. And the same for minorities!
It simply isn't so. I have not really wanted to get into the details
of my personal experience because I don't like to think o
Larry posted the results of the study that sent out resumes where the ones with
non white sounding names but identical resumes were
refused the interview.
You're just unwilling to face the truth.
You put forward the completely disingenuous front that non white people in
America have the same op
> Angel wrote:
> So you can say that maybe in academics the system is stacked
> against women, but you can't admit that it's stacked against non
> whites...whether on purpose or not of course *wry grin*.
It's not stacked against minorities - as I've said a bazillion times,
just look at the numbe
>in at least academics the system may be stacked against women -
>not on purpose, but because it was
>designed around men and their needs.
So you can say that maybe in academics the system is stacked against women, but
you can't admit that it's stacked against non
whites...whether on purpose or
I don't know. There is something wrong with my sound card all of a
sudden and I have not diagnosed it or found a transcript for your link
yet. I am not even sure if that is in fact what I would say about it,
though I think the direction the workplace is taking these days is
wrong for both men and w
> Dana wrote:
> litigation is generally expensive and not worth it. I know I have
> never bothered. I'll look at the link shortly, brunch awaits me.
Yes, but it's the device our society has decided is the civilized way
of solving a dispute and dispensing justice. My point is, Affirmative
Action
Atlanta is pretty much the exception, and compared to New York or L.A. its
isn't that bad.
-Original Message-
From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 5:08 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
hm
litigation is generally expensive and not worth it. I know I have
never bothered. I'll look at the link shortly, brunch awaits me.
Dana
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:58:17 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> >Are you saying that the hiring disparities
> > exist because mino
ov/population/socdemo/race/black/ppl-142/tab20a.txt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:44 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
>
> it's true
/ppl-142/tab20a.txt
-Original Message-
From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:44 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
it's true that the cost of living varies widely but I am not sure that
you ca
> Dana wrote:
>Are you saying that the hiring disparities
> exist because minorities and women aren't qualified?
Yes, women can't be good linebackers and more blacks are good at
basketball than whites (whitemen can't jump). It's biology.
What I'm saying is that Gel keeps throwing around statist
Interesting essay that bears thinking about. While out and about today
I was wondering if the army might not have had a lot to do with
undoing stereoptypes. If you have a very competent black staff
sargeant it's tough to keep believing that blacks are inferior no
matter what daddy taught you...
O
this might be the heart of the matter. It would be simplistic to say
the cause is prejudiced. What are otherwise nice and intelligent
people prejudiced? I think the media are part of this problem,
personally
Dana
>by getting rid of the reasons for Affirmative Action. But in order to
fix them,
I posted the links by themselves because I had to go do something and
I think they speak for themselves. At every step of the curve blacks
make less. Nor am I totally clear as to what a good solution is right
now. I think I'd like to do more than skim that School to Prison
Pipeline report. It seems
probably because when they do, they don't get the job. At least that's
my experience. But I want to get back to the women linebackers for a
minute. OK so, I don't know football very well, but this is a job that
requires big and bulky, correct? Bigger and bulkier than any women
even gets, probably.
um. No. They can find themselves in the embarrassing position of
having to hore or promote somoene who is not a member of the club.
This is generally done by doing so and then making the worker so
miserable they quit.
Dana
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:47:13 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ers are NOT doing.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:35 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
> >
> > I wasn
Gel, I have a question for you.
How do you define Affirmative Action?
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> Angel wrote:
> Dana posted links clearly showing the disparity in
> income which has existed since 1966.
>
The statistic is meaningless because it says nothing about the
percentage of equally qualified applicants that applied, but were
turned away due to race - which is what you're trying to p
> Angel wrote:
> 'There are plenty'...I've already shown that over 90% of the
> CEOs are White,
> and you are saying 'there are plenty'?
>
The majority of NBA players are black. Is that proof that the NBA
discriminates against whites or proof that they discriminate against
weak players?
Your
hen it comes to incomes across physical regions.
One person making 50k in one city may be better off than somebody making 80k
in another.
> -Original Message-
> From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:50 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject
But it needs to be removed.
Like the tourniquet example I used, it needs to be removed from time to time to
see where the bleeding still exists.
It should be a goal to get rid of Affirmative Action for good. This can best by
done by getting rid of the reasons for Affirmative Action. But in orde
I'm not going to go through the trouble to show you what % of the white
population is a CEO as opposed to what % of the black
population is a CEO.
Dana posted links clearly showing the disparity in income which has existed
since 1966.
Argue that, I'm sure you'll find a way.
Probably Mars was
tewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:35 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
>
> I wasn't sure what Dana had derived from her figures when she posted,
> because she just posted links
Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
>
> What's the point you are trying to make here?
>
> That the top 5 percent richest people in America are white?
> That the top 5 percent White people make more money than the top 5 percent
> black people in 2001?
&
I wasn't sure what Dana had derived from her figures when she posted, because
she just posted links.
But there you go,the income disparity is right infront of you.
Now you are bringing nebulous notions of how many people applied etc. to try to
explain an INCOME DISPARITY!
Ridiculous in the ext
This is in very poor taste but the way to tell them apart is that one
is standing and the other is dead at his/her feet?
larry
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Think of the Hutus and Tutsis - physically you can't even tell them
apart, but they kill each other
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> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:24 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
>
> Rofl!
>
> 'There are plenty'...I've already shown that over 90% of the CEOs are
> White, and you are saying
Yes, a few people's responses have indeed shown that they can't stomach the
truth even when clearly and simply presented to them.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: G
Who's the "you" here?
Actuallynever mind. I dont think I can stomach another Angel post about
personal antecdotes and
Precisely why I disagree with those that say that Prejudice and Racism is not a
problem in America and is not negatively affecting
non whites in America, and that Affirmative Action should be removed.
Things are getting better, but they are no where near the levels where a
program such as AA can
Rofl!
'There are plenty'...I've already shown that over 90% of the CEOs are White,
and you are saying 'there are plenty'?
And we aren't talking about 'everywhere', we are talking specifically about
Racism and how it affects minorities in America, and
Affirmative Action as a means to address thi
What's the point you are trying to make here?
That the top 5 percent richest people in America are white?
That the top 5 percent White people make more money than the top 5 percent
black people in 2001?
That the top 5 percent white people have always made more money across the
board than the top
> Dana wrote:
>Take a look at the income numbers I just put up. They
> are recent and there is a very real disparity.
>
Statistically there are 0% women linebackers in the NFL, and I'd bet
white guys are a minority in the NBA. Should we get an AA program
going to get those numbers up?
You can'
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> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:13 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
>
> Thought the moors were arabs.
> (?)
> Dana
>
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:03:24 -0500, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g
I thought it was "Moops"
:))
--- On Friday, January 28, 2005 1:50 PM, Larry C. Lyons scribed: ---
>
> Its more complex than that. The Moors were a mixture of native groups,
> africans, arabs, Europeans, Greeks, Romans, middle easteners etc.
> There were a very cosmopolitan society.
>
> larry
>
11:13 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
>
> Thought the moors were arabs.
> (?)
> Dana
>
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:03:24 -0500, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > not that it matters
case.
larry
> -Original Message-
> From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:44 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
>
> Now you're simply being obtuse.
> Pove
Thanks. I will look. Right now I need to go though. A question before
I do though. Girls' schools are seen as a good thing, likewise
Catholic schools, Jewish schools and Native American schools. Black
schools such as Morehouse, which has a really good reputation, do
exist.
So possibly the segregat
Dana,
I do think racism and discrimination is real.
I do not think that all discrimination, however, is based on race.
I do not think that Affirmative Action should be dismantled, yet.
I do not think that Affirmative Action is actually fixing anything. It is a
stop-gap. It is more like a tourniq
Gruss,
While the fact that there *are* black CEOs and women CEOs shows that
changes have been made -- my point in advocating an affirmative action
program based on family income or school district rather than race --
the thing is that their existence does not disprove prejudice, which
does still e
Who's the "you" here?
Actuallynever mind. I dont think I can stomach another Angel post about
personal antecdotes and misrepresented statistics
> ...
> ???
> No I am not dealing with absolute numbers.
>
> If you say that the sample is 105 mice..and 50% of blue mice are
> employed..that
> Angel wrote:
> But whatever makes you feel better. Racism is not a problem in America
Race is a problem everywhere! Think of the Hutus and Tutsis -
physically you can't even tell them apart, but they kill each other.
The questions is this:
--
Is race a pervasive p
urtunities,because Whites are affected by it. But I also
understand why you would be unable to see it that
way as well.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:02 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playin
Now that's an understatement.
But these figures and the study, which I also alluded to in a previous post,
helps prove my point.
Race and racial discrimination is preventing minorities from getting top jobs.
And it is the same with school admissions. The
problem exists, it has not magically dis
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> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:13 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS
right, and the fact that you cannot get away from it. That was what I
meant yesterday when I said that when I go home I am white. I don't
think about racism very much. I usually don't have to.
> And they always said it wasn't the color of the skin that was the problem.
> It was the stereotype of b
How exactly are they disingenuous? They are factual.
Jerry Johnson
Web Developer
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/05 11:59AM >>>
The only true statement is the last, and ironicaly this is the only statement
which affects the points which I and others have put
forward with regards
Subject: Re: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
Thought the moors were arabs.
(?)
Dana
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:03:24 -0500, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> not that it matters, but tyrone, at least in my area, is CERTAINLY
> primarily an african american n
Well, then since you say so, I guess I have to agree.
Poverty is not solely a factor of race. If so, then there wouldn't be any poor
white folks. And there wouldn't be any rich black folks.
And the Japanese wouldn't own all of Manhattan. And Pakistanis wouldn't own
every deli and convenience st
y 28, 2005 11:44 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
>
> Now you're simply being obtuse.
> Poverty is a factor of race in America.
>
> But whatever makes you feel better. Racism is not a problem in America,
>
Thought the moors were arabs.
(?)
Dana
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:03:24 -0500, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> not that it matters, but tyrone, at least in my area, is CERTAINLY
> primarily an african american name.
>
> and you know what, i know about as many Tony's that are black, as
> Tony'
http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/f01a.html
http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/f01b.html
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:59:05 -0400, Angel Stewart
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only true statement is the last, and ironicaly this is the only statement
> which affects the points which I
The moors invaded mainland italy twice, the second time in the 800's
they stayed in the southern part for almost 100 years.
larry
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:05:57 -0600, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I dunno man, but I love that scene.
>
>
> > not that it matters, but tyrone, at least in my area,
I'll have to find the references. But just dug up this one from 2003.
http://economics.uchicago.edu/download/_DISCRIMINATION.pdf.
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I dunno man, but I love that scene.
> not that it matters, but tyrone, at least in my area, is CERTAINLY
> primarily an african american name.
>
> and you know what, i know about as many Tony's that are black, as
> Tony's that are white. A lot are italian, and most are not. My
> family is Ital
not that it matters, but tyrone, at least in my area, is CERTAINLY
primarily an african american name.
and you know what, i know about as many Tony's that are black, as
Tony's that are white. A lot are italian, and most are not. My
family is Italian, on my mothers side, Sicilian to be exact, and
The only true statement is the last, and ironicaly this is the only statement
which affects the points which I and others have put
forward with regards the levels of poverty in white and non white populations.
The others are disingenuous.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Johnson
S
These studies pretty recent Larry?
Also, how would you get away with submitting identical resumes to the same
position? Wonder if that would raise a red flag to the person reviewing the
resumes. Two guys with the same exact everything...
Still, these results are pretty disappointing.
> Mosty
That's interesting.
I've seen exactly the same thing, but with a pool of only Black and Native
American/Black applicants. The hiring managers were themselves Native American
and Black.
Those with "english" sounding names received callbacks more often than those
with "different" sounding or spe
Now you're simply being obtuse.
Poverty is a factor of race in America.
But whatever makes you feel better. Racism is not a problem in America, and
minorities are not discriminated against in the American
workplace and school admission system by Whites.*Shrug*
If thinking so and raising specious
Semantics, I know, but.
But wouldn't this be more accurate:
In the US, if you are poor, you are more likely to be white.
In the US, if you are black, you are more likely to be above the poverty line
than not.
In the US, if you are black, you are more likely to be poor than if you are
white.
>
Socio Economic Status
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:17:26 -0500, Jerry Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is SES?
>
> Jerry Johnson
> Web Developer
> Dolan Media Company
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Mosty race,
there's been a number of studies where researchers have sent in
identical resumes to job postings, one resume the resume uses typical
white names (ie., John Smith) while the other used black names
(Tyrone, Kwaze etc). The so-called white resumes were much more likely
to receive callbac
I read it as socioeconomic status
(?)
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:17:26 -0500, Jerry Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is SES?
>
> Jerry Johnson
> Web Developer
> Dolan Media Company
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> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/05 11:19AM >>>
> But proportionately that's not necessarily the case. Absolute
What is SES?
Jerry Johnson
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/05 11:19AM >>>
But proportionately that's not necessarily the case. Absolute numbers
are not applicable. You need to look at the proportions. The reason
you have more poor whites is that there are more whites
But proportionately that's not necessarily the case. Absolute numbers
are not applicable. You need to look at the proportions. The reason
you have more poor whites is that there are more whites period. But as
a percentage of their ethnic group there are fewer poor whites than
poor blacks.
As I men
We were not trying to answer the question of "what race is more likely to be
poor in America". (If we answered that, it would overwhelmingly be Native
American.)
The question was, is it race and only race that is truly the major
discrimination factor in workplace and college admissions. Or is i
Wait a second.aren't you dealing with "absolute" numbers when you give
us the percentage of minorities in the work force?
If a work force made up of the mice in your example is made up of 105 mice,
100 red and 5 blue.the percentage of blue mice in the workforce is VERY
low. Yet, 50% of
w the poverty line.
As is expected, roughly 40% of all families below the poverty line are in
the south.
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> From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:48 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Who Doesn't Discri
How could you even attempt to interpret this by Absolute numbers when you're
dealing with different population figures?
And I'm assuming you mean poor whites in America, since as we all know Whites
are a minority when taken as a race worldwide.
It's like saying if you have 100 Red mice that have
By percentage, yes. But not by absolute numbers.
There are more poor whites than poor of any other race. (Aren't there?)
Jerry Johnson
Web Developer
Dolan Media Company
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the problem is that you cannot untangle race from SES. In the US if
you're poor you
I'm somewhat suscpicious of these findings, in that if you look at the
NORC dataset 2000 and Beyond, the correlation between race/ethnicity
and socio-economic status is well above .50. In other words If you are
black, latino, NA indian etc., you are more likely to be poor than if
you are Caucasian
OK well this guy sure seems to think that there's a problem:
http://www.urban.org/template.cfm?Section=ByAuthor&NavMenuID=63&AuthorID=7214&AuthorName=Christopher%20B.%20Swanson
The civil rights project at Harvard University seems to believe him --
they cited him in an amicus brief
http://www.civ
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