Re: eval statements in mod_perl

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
Without knowing your whole program, this could be a variety of logic problems leading to this code. For example, perhaps $build{$nkey} is a totally bogus value the first 2 times and hence your $evalcode is also bogus the first two times -- and it's not a problem of eval at all! This is

RE: eval statements in mod_perl

2000-12-07 Thread Ed Park
This was a problem that I had when I was first starting out with mod_perl; i.e., it wouldn't work the first or second times through, and then it would magically start working. This was always caused for me by a syntax error in a library file. In your case, it could be caused by a syntax error in

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Take23

2000-12-07 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: OK, so this isn't really much of an announcement, since its still the same web site. Anyway, I'm renaming modperl.sergeant.org to take23.org. DNS should propogate shortly. Until then its available at modperl.sergeant.org (and will continue to be

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Tim Sweetman
Jim Winstead wrote: (of course, this only addresses scaling to a breadth of users, not scaling into the enterprise area. that just requires real marketing and hype.) I saw an article in the Financial Times the other day. Some people have written a "Fax your MP[1]" gateway

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Take23

2000-12-07 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi Matt, On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: Looks like DNS isn't working at all... I'm a complete DNS moron - is there anyone out there willing to offer me very a simple DNS setup on their primary and secondary servers? Yeah, no problem. Can't do it for a day or so though, I'm just

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-07 Thread David Hodgkinson
kyle dawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 05:52, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: 6. Engineering The Perl community is made up of a truly eclectic group of people, which is an amazing strength. However, it's also an amazing weakness: I get the impression that very few

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread David Hodgkinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: "Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gunther This is exactly why someone experienced in training (ie Gunther Randal/StoneHenge) would hopefully be the ones to take the Gunther torch on this. If there's anyone I would trust

[OT] Re: [ANNOUNCE] Take23

2000-12-07 Thread Jeremy Howard
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: OK, so this isn't really much of an announcement, since its still the same web site. Anyway, I'm renaming modperl.sergeant.org to take23.org. DNS should propogate shortly. Until then its available at modperl.sergeant.org (and will continue to

Re: how to setup the EMBPERL_MAILTOFROM?

2000-12-07 Thread Gerald Richter
I'm working on a e-mail form, and would like to use the MailToFrom EmbPerl module to do it. Can someone tell me what to add in the httpd.conf and please provide me with some code snippets on how to integrate this thing into the form. Thanks. For an example look at

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Take23

2000-12-07 Thread barries
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 09:20:55AM +, Matt Sergeant wrote: On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: OK, so this isn't really much of an announcement, since its still the same web site. Anyway, I'm renaming modperl.sergeant.org to take23.org. DNS should propogate shortly. Until then

[OT] Take23.org DNS

2000-12-07 Thread Matt Sergeant
Thanks for all the offers, I have it sorted now (should propogate some time later today or tomorrow). -- Matt/ /||** Director and CTO ** //||** AxKit.com Ltd ** ** XML Application Serving ** // ||** http://axkit.org ** ** XSLT, XPathScript, XSP ** // \\| // **

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-07 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 14:07 06/12/2000 -0500, kyle dawkins wrote: Ok, you're missing my point but that's partially my fault for not explaining. First, let me agree: Java's "everything is an object" mentality sucks balls. And yes, Perl's duality of functional/OO is

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread J. J. Horner
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:22:26PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: "Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gunther This is exactly why someone experienced in training (ie Gunther Randal/StoneHenge) would hopefully be the ones to take the Gunther torch on this. If there's

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 07:12 AM 12/7/00 -0500, barries wrote: On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 12:30:53AM -0500, Marc Spitzer wrote: the only thing I would add is DBI and DBD:::CSV, No joins. Therefore not very useful. Actually joins are over-rated for most simple apps. It's very easy to make a calendar, address book

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
Installing: I've installed mod_perl twice in the last month. The first time was on Solaris and was quite painless. The second time was on RH 7.0, and was fairly painful. Took most of a day of futzing around to finally get it installed and working. I ran into two problems, first the

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread Aaron E. Ross
at a time earlier than now, kevin montuori wrote: Aaron E Ross writes: aer the possibility of being able to untar one package to get aer mod_perl w/ persistent db connections, [c.] is very glamorous! agreed. but fundamentally impossible. what database are you going

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Nathan Torkington
J. J. Horner writes: I'd be interested in something like this. Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for those certified. If it's done poorly, it's useless and is just a moneymaker for the

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
By the way, does mod_perl have a "board of directors"? If there was a mod_perl consortium backing mod_perl (Merlyn, Lincoln, Doug, Stas etc) formally, I'm sure we could get some pretty serious notice. Yes, it's called Project Management Committee (pmc) and currently the members are Doug,

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread martin langhoff
"Aaron E. Ross" wrote: database abstraction and connection pooling = DBI session management = Apache::Session load balancing = mod_backhand?? data relational mapping = Tangram or Alzabo templates or

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread J. J. Horner
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:58:48PM +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: By the way, does mod_perl have a "board of directors"? If there was a mod_perl consortium backing mod_perl (Merlyn, Lincoln, Doug, Stas etc) formally, I'm sure we could get some pretty serious notice. Yes, it's called

Re: [OT]Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Robin Berjon
At 14:47 06/12/2000 -0800, ed phillips wrote: Aristotle from the Ars Rhetorica on money: Money will not make you wise, but it will bring a wise man to your door. :) -- robin b. Forty two. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

[certification] (was Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, J. J. Horner wrote: On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:58:48PM +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: By the way, does mod_perl have a "board of directors"? If there was a mod_perl consortium backing mod_perl (Merlyn, Lincoln, Doug, Stas etc) formally, I'm sure we could get some

Re: shared mem [was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-07 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 04:24:24PM -0800, Perrin Harkins wrote: On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Paul wrote: I was pointed to IPC::Sharable, IPC::Sharelite. I'll look at those. Take a look at IPC::MM for a shared memory hash implemented in C. Also, File::Cache is sometimes faster than the IPC

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Jimi Thompson
Matt, Everything required to make the module work ought to be included in the package or at least cross referenced to it. I have been having a problem in which I have had to manually resolve module dependencies on a Solaris 2.6 box. It went through several layers with several candidates for

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Robin Berjon
At 07:56 07/12/2000 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: I'd rather see us find some way to churn out perl and mod_perl programmers. For instance, release a beginner class on Perl and mod_perl and have local Perlmongers lead classes. I have my slides from the University of Perl, which I'd contribute

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Aaron E. Ross
at a time earlier than now, Stas Bekman wrote: Installing: What's so complicated about this: % cd /usr/src % lwp-download http://www.apache.org/dist/apache_x.x.x.tar.gz % lwp-download http://perl.apache.org/dist/mod_perl-x.xx.tar.gz % tar xzvf apache_x.x.x.tar.gz % tar xzvf

Digest List doesn't show subjects!!!!

2000-12-07 Thread Kees Vonk 7249 24549
Can someone please confirm if this issue is being looked at. The modperl digest list is often very helpful and I would like to keep using it. For at a few weeks now the digest list has been looking like this (no topics are listed): modperl Digest 21 Nov 2000 23:42:00 - Issue 256

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jimi Thompson wrote: Matt, Everything required to make the module work ought to be included in the package or at least cross referenced to it. I have been having a problem in which I have had to manually resolve module dependencies on a Solaris 2.6 box. It went

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Matthew Kennedy
"Bruce W. Hoylman" wrote: "Matthew" == Matthew Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip Matthew compiled enterprise app might only be 300Kb (and not just a Matthew "report queue manager"). And 500Mb of memory? That's Matthew tuppence in the server world anyway. This happens

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Nathan Torkington wrote: J. J. Horner writes: I'd be interested in something like this. Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for those certified. If it's done poorly, it's

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread J. J. Horner
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 07:56:09AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: J. J. Horner writes: I'd be interested in something like this. Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for those certified. If

Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, J. J. Horner wrote: If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I don't have much spare brain power and I could use it to try to figure out my wife . . . Ask yourself this question:

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread barries
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 07:56:09AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: J. J. Horner writes: I'd be interested in something like this. Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for those certified. If

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread barries
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:52:01PM +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: What's so complicated about this: When everything goes right, and when you happen to have lwp installed and a tar that uncompresses :-). Seems like a good process to encode in a build_my_mod_perl.pl, FWIW. - Barrie

Strange problem with IE 5

2000-12-07 Thread ek
Hello all, i'm trying to build a standard system: apache-1.3.14 with compiled in mod_perl-1.24_01 on RedHat linux 6.2 If i build apache without mod_perl everything works fine. But if build apache with mod_perl, IE 5.0 fails to load pages from the server. I can only see blank page without any

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote: At 07:56 07/12/2000 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: I'd rather see us find some way to churn out perl and mod_perl programmers. For instance, release a beginner class on Perl and mod_perl and have local Perlmongers lead classes. I have my slides

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Patrick
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:52:01PM +0100, Stas Bekman took time to write: Your problem is that you try to use the precompiled broken packages provided by distros. If I can jump... I must say that I *never* had a problem with Debian packages of mod_perl. Maybe RedHat packages have (don't known

sharing sockets

2000-12-07 Thread Roger Espel Llima
Jeremy Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there _any_ solution to sharing sockets? My WebMail server keeps a pool of IMAP connections open (one per user) but it currently needs to create a connection for every user for every process that they use. This is awfully inefficient. I'm planning on

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-07 Thread brian moseley
On 7 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote: Development are two of the bibles. I have to say though, I've avoided the Design Patterns type books purely because of the C++/Java bias. you sure are missing out. - To unsubscribe,

perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread Ivan E. Panchenko
Today I discovered a strange behaiviour of perl, and I wonder if anybody can tell me what to do with it. The matter is that perl DOES NOT REUSE MEMORY allocated for intermediate calculation results. This is specially harmful to data-intensive modperl applications where one perl process

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread Marc Spitzer
I don't know about that, getting the correct version of perl, mod_perl. apache and all the preconfigured modules together and configuring cpan... as apposed to installing DBD::Postgres(uses XS), hell I could stick gcc postgres and open ldap in the package. krap I just gave my self more work.

RE: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread John Reid
If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I don't have much spare brain power and I could use it to try to figure out my wife . . . Ask yourself this question: Are you in need of a mod_perl job?

Re: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Jay Jacobs
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, J. J. Horner wrote: If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I don't have much spare brain power and I could use it to try to figure

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On 7 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote: [...] Do it on line, for free (or real cheap)? OK so it'd be multiple-guess most of the time, but peer review of submitted coursework too? Then I like mjd's "certification" much much better. Certification done right doesn't matter. Certification not

Re: Strange problem with IE 5

2000-12-07 Thread Matt Morton
ek wrote: Hello all, i'm trying to build a standard system: apache-1.3.14 with compiled in mod_perl-1.24_01 on RedHat linux 6.2 If i build apache without mod_perl everything works fine. But if build apache with mod_perl, IE 5.0 fails to load pages from the server. I can only see blank

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Eric Strovink
Somebody wrote: If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I don't have much spare brain power and I could use it to try to figure out my wife . . . You're way off base. Figure out the wife. I've

Authen::PAM

2000-12-07 Thread Aleksandr Vladimirskiy
Has anyone used Authen::PAM. I can't seem to figure out the return values for its pam_authenticate interface. It is supposed to return PAM_SUCCESS but gives out a zero or a nine. Thanks, Alex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Strange problem with IE 5

2000-12-07 Thread Chuck Goehring
ek, Had various similar problems with IE 5.0 and 5.5. This was particularly frequent with the first version of IE 5 released, when installed on w98. BrowserMatch in srm.conf needs to be maintained for IE 5. I duped the entry for IE 4. This seams to fix most problems. Chuck - Original

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread Jimi Thompson
Marc, In order to be kind to newbie's, you will need to mention tar and gnu zip which don't come standard on some flavors of Unix. In my case Solaris 2.6 only has tar. Zip must be installed. Also, you are going to need to at least point them to documentation. Maybe we could make extra $$$

Re: perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread newsreader
The output I get is used memory = 0 used memory = 0 used memory = 0 used memory = 0 used memory = 0 I'm interested in how many leaks are possible in mod_perl though because my mod_perl processes are getting bigger with time -- about 200 requests is making the process fatter by 1mb on the

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-07 Thread kyle dawkins
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:33, you wrote: On 7 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote: Development are two of the bibles. I have to say though, I've avoided the Design Patterns type books purely because of the C++/Java bias. you sure are missing out. I second that. You should lose your

Re: perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Ivan E. Panchenko wrote: Today I discovered a strange behaiviour of perl, and I wonder if anybody can tell me what to do with it. The matter is that perl DOES NOT REUSE MEMORY allocated for intermediate calculation results. This is specially harmful to

Re: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Jimi Thompson
When MCSE's were just starting to be issued, no one thought that they were important either. However, the PHB's who do the hiring said "Oo, you have a sheet of paper from M$ that says your ok. You're hired!" My point is that if you are trying to appeal to the businesses, please look at

RE: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread kevin montuori
John Reid writes: [ cc list trimmed. ] jr This is an interesting thread. Just one point though ... just jr who is available? hey, i'm available. boston and cambridge only, i'm afraid. jr Are they any good? Have they any experience? Are they telling jr the

Re: Strange problem with IE 5

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, ek wrote: Hello all, i'm trying to build a standard system: apache-1.3.14 with compiled in mod_perl-1.24_01 on RedHat linux 6.2 If i build apache without mod_perl everything works fine. But if build apache with mod_perl, IE 5.0 fails to load pages from the server. I

Re: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Ajit Deshpande
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 05:10:58PM -, John Reid wrote: Certification may be an issue that deserves careful attention, before idiots go and try to implement mod_perl solutions, make a complete pig's ear and give us all a bad name. I wouldnt be too worried about that. For better or worse, I

Re: perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Ivan E. Panchenko wrote: Today I discovered a strange behaiviour of perl, and I wonder if anybody can tell me what to do with it. The matter is that perl DOES NOT REUSE MEMORY allocated for intermediate calculation results. This is specially harmful to data-intensive

Re: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Tom Brown
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, J. J. Horner wrote: If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I don't have much spare brain power and I could use it to try to figure

[OT] mod_motd

2000-12-07 Thread Jerrad Pierce
Am I losing my mind or is there a mod_motd for Apache floating around? I haven't been able to find it anywhere, but I'm sure I've seen it. (Checked Freshmeat, search engines, and Apache module repository) Thanks - To

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread martin langhoff
Perrin, In fact, I've always been coding from NT machines -- for my *nix servers, of course. Now the ActiveState people are building a cross-platform and cross-language IDE that integrates with perldebug nicely -- or so it seems. I'm actually starting to like it -- it's built on top of

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread Marc Spitzer
Thanks for pointing that out, or I could just use compress. As far as the $$$ goes you need to spend money to start a business lets see if there is a market first. Another thing we could add is interbase to the list or break it up into 3 or more packages that are integrated out of the box, call

[OT] Re: perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread Andrew Wyllie
Hi Ivan, It's not really mod_perl, but is relevant to people on the list I guess... If you really play aorund with this, you'll find some interesting variations. If I assign $cc using a for loop my $c; for ( 1..2000) { $cc .= 'a'; } it's a lot slower, but only

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: All this talk about DDD is making me wonder if there is a suitable (graphical) Perl IDE that I can run on Gnome. Last time I tried them, I found ptkdb a bit nicer than DDD, mostly because DDD was kind of slow. I don't know how easy it is to

Dependent modules

2000-12-07 Thread Aaron Johnson
I saw reference in some of the advocacy thread to having some way to list what modules are dependent on others. When I use CPAN (the module not the site) to install some modules it automatically installs the other required modules, but I assume this only works with modules that are on CPAN (the

Re: Apache::ASP problem with post data

2000-12-07 Thread Luc Willems
the result of $Response- is also empty. i had a look into the Apache::ASP source code and found this : (line 843) $self-{content} = $r-content(); tie(*STDIN, 'Apache::ASP::Request', $self) if defined($self-{content}); this means that it's comming from

RE: eval statements in mod_perl

2000-12-07 Thread Hill, David T - Belo Corporate
Not surprisingly, the problem turned out to be a simple one. I was using strict on the module that ran the eval. The code that was being eval'ed didn't throw an error (nothing in $@) but it did show the warnings in the error log. Sorry to trouble you, and thanks for the responses that I did

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread bthak
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote: At 07:56 07/12/2000 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: I'd rather see us find some way to churn out perl and mod_perl programmers. For instance, release a beginner class on Perl and mod_perl and have

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Eustace, Glen
This has been a really interesting thread. I would like to contribute my own experiences as I am currently sitting on both sides of the fence. In my spare time, what little there is, I operate a web hosting service for NZ Christian churches, organisations and ministries. This

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread martin langhoff
Perrin Harkins wrote: I don't know how easy it is to make it play with mod_perl though. Apache::Debug normally just dumps you into the shell debugger. Maybe setting an environment variable would do it. I've always considered mod_perl to be completely debugger-unfriendly. That's

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jimi Thompson wrote: Everything required to make the module work ought to be included in the package or at least cross referenced to it. Newer versions of CPAN resolve dependencies for you, and you can always make a Bundle:: for your project. - Perrin

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Marc Spitzer
I agree with Eric, for consultants you should focus on skills and brains and for employees you should focus on BRAINS. They will be there long enough to pick up the skills and pay you back for the time you spent training them. Remember smart people learn fast so it is not that much time spent

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Jimi Thompson
Eric, You fail to understand that while you are probably a geeks dream boss, you are not the average PHB. Heck, your hair is probably limp ;). The idea here is to gain acceptance and even status with the PHB. PHB's like paper. It doesn't matter if its a useful piece of paper or not (MCSE's

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: I've always considered mod_perl to be completely debugger-unfriendly. That's why I write modules that I can test from a standard script, and then call those modules from Embperl pages or Registry scripts. Apache::Debug works. It's almost

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache::ASP v2.07

2000-12-07 Thread joel w. reed
On Dec 06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] contorted a few electrons to say... Joshua Hey, Joshua Joshua The latest Apache::ASP 2.07 has made its way into CPAN, and is Joshua also available at: Just thought i'd say a BIG THANKS to Joshua for Apache::ASP. Its been a great help in developing cross platform

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Rob Tanner
--On Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:52:44 PM -0500 Eric Strovink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody wrote: If I'm way off base, please let me know. I'm spending considerable brain power on this idea and if I'm wasting it, I need to know. I don't have much spare brain power and I

Re: perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The output I get is used memory = 0 used memory = 0 used memory = 0 used memory = 0 used memory = 0 I get the same under perl 5.6.0 on linux, looks like BSD::Resource doesn't work there :( Anyone? Use gtop instead (if you have it): use

Alliance? WAS - Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Aaron Johnson
What about working with ActiveState? I know they were primarily Windows focused, but they now have Linux and Solaris versions of Perl pre compiled. mod_perl can now be gotten to work with the latest ActivePerl build (622) for Windows. (thanks to Randy Kobes, or at least I think that is who has

Help needed with MAP expression

2000-12-07 Thread bari
Hi there, Can any one help me what this MAP function does... map(/^[\.\d]+$/ ? td({-align='right'}, $_) : td($_), @$_) I am really confused by this one... your help would be appreciated.. Thank You, - Bari

Re: Validating Parsers

2000-12-07 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a xml parsing module that validates using built-in functionality, or is there a method to validate xml using XML::Parser with another module? Ah, if you want to ask an off-topic question, couldn't you at least TRY to mask it as

Re: [OT] mod_motd

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jerrad Pierce wrote: Am I losing my mind or is there a mod_motd for Apache floating around? I haven't been able to find it anywhere, but I'm sure I've seen it. (Checked Freshmeat, search engines, and Apache module repository) seems to be ontopic since it's Apache::Motd

Re: [OT] mod_motd

2000-12-07 Thread Carlos Ramirez
Yes, it's called Apache::Motd -Carlos Jerrad Pierce wrote: Am I losing my mind or is there a mod_motd for Apache floating around? I haven't been able to find it anywhere, but I'm sure I've seen it. (Checked Freshmeat, search engines, and Apache module repository) Thanks

Re: [OT] mod_motd

2000-12-07 Thread John K. Sterling
I think there's a Apache::Motd perl module, is that what your looking for? sterling On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jerrad Pierce wrote: Am I losing my mind or is there a mod_motd for Apache floating around? I haven't been able to find it anywhere, but I'm sure I've seen it. (Checked Freshmeat, search

Re: Dependent modules

2000-12-07 Thread Stas Bekman
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Aaron Johnson wrote: I saw reference in some of the advocacy thread to having some way to list what modules are dependent on others. When I use CPAN (the module not the site) to install some modules it automatically installs the other required modules, but I assume this

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: Perrin Harkins wrote: I don't know how easy it is to make it play with mod_perl though. Apache::Debug normally just dumps you into the shell debugger. Maybe setting an environment variable would do it. I've always considered

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: I wonder how do those hardcore guys that develop using handlers debug. Mhhh. They must write 'perlfect' code, I guess, and/or understand those cryptic debuggers ... I just do a lot of debugging via warn statements and looking at the error

Re: perl's memory leak

2000-12-07 Thread Ivan E. Panchenko
You probably tried this script on linux or some other not fully BSD compartible system. We obtained same zeros on linux, where getrusage() means something else than on FreeBSD, but if you try measuring memory sizes with ps or top, you should observe the mentioned leak. Please insert sleep(10)

Re: Dependent modules

2000-12-07 Thread Jimi Thompson
Aaron, That would be a comment from me :) On Sparc-Solaris 2.6, getting CPAN to install the dependent modules or even tell you what they are doesn't always (read - seldom - at least in my experience) work. In the cases where it does at least tell you which one, there are several modules with

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread Jeremy Howard
martin langhoff wrote: I wonder how do those hardcore guys that develop using handlers debug. Mhhh. They must write 'perlfect' code, I guess, and/or understand those cryptic debuggers ... Actually, debugging handlers is pretty easy. Just run httpd with the -X flag to make it single process,

Re: debuggers

2000-12-07 Thread clayton cottingham
Perrin Harkins wrote: On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, martin langhoff wrote: I've always considered mod_perl to be completely debugger-unfriendly. That's why I write modules that I can test from a standard script, and then call those modules from Embperl pages or Registry scripts.

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Jimi Thompson
See - I KNEW IT!!! You aren't a PHB. You have to look at this like a PHB. PHB's don't care if the paper means anything relevant. PHB's live for Plausible Deniability and Glory Hogging. If they can't take credit for it, they don't want to get blamed for it either. If anything goes wrong,

RE: Help needed with MAP expression

2000-12-07 Thread jbodnar
It takes a reference to an array, and checks to see if each element of the arry only contains one or more "."s or digits, if it does it calls the td() function with parameters, returning the result, if not, it returns the element. I think. On 07-Dec-2000 bari wrote: Hi there, Can any one help

Re: Alliance? WAS - Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
The could be although ActiveState has a product that competes with mod_perl on the NT side called PerlEx. What is too bad about the silence about the relationship is that PerlEx as a product could really benefit from evolving upon the back of a mod_perl code base. ...In terms of rapidly

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Todd Diep
Certification does have its merits. I know this analogy is not quite correct but its the only one that comes to mind. Would you have a nurse or a doctor treat your abdominal pains? I rather not have the abdominal pains in the first place but I rather have the doctor treat me than the nurse.

Re: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At the very least even if there is no certification, perhaps just a training course on mod_perl from Merlyn/Stonehenge would act in lieu of such. If I knew someone had trained for a week with Randal's company in either OO Perl technology (PROM) or mod_perl (a course that doesn't seem to exist

Re: Dependent modules

2000-12-07 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jimi Thompson wrote: That would be a comment from me :) On Sparc-Solaris 2.6, getting CPAN to install the dependent modules or even tell you what they are doesn't always (read - seldom - at least in my experience) work. If that's the case, you should speak to the authors

[OT] Slow Mailing List

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
Now that traffic has increased on this list, I don't know if this is an illusion but it seems to take a really long time between the time I post a message and the mod_perl mailing list gets it back to me. - To unsubscribe,

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 05:55 PM 12/7/00 -0600, Jimi Thompson wrote: Geeks know its just paper and that paper three appropriate uses (for writing on, paper airplanes, and TP). Geeks know that paper doesn't pass for credentials. The PHB's haven't You miss the point. It's not about credentials in a boolean sense.

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
I would agree. If you want to see design patterns in practical action with relation to mod_perl.. go to http://www.extropia.com/ExtropiaObjects/ and skim through Chapters 10 (App Architecture) and on (on the individual app toolkit components). Each one contains a sidebar on how design

Re: [OT] Slow Mailing List

2000-12-07 Thread Jim Winstead
On Dec 08, Gunther Birznieks wrote: Now that traffic has increased on this list, I don't know if this is an illusion but it seems to take a really long time between the time I post a message and the mod_perl mailing list gets it back to me. the machine that handles mail for all of the

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread JoshNarins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The day after the technology stabilizes one can decide what to certify people to do. If Perl6 is two+ years off, 5.6 certification makes sense. If Apache2.0/Modperl2.0 are x:{x2,10} months off are taking up a lot of Doug's and other mod_perl CPAN

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