[native-lang-dev] Re: Fwd: [marketing-dev] Why TDF should be the place for one united Community
I think we are aware enough of Florian's post. :-) As I mentioned a couple of days ago on the marketing list, I would much rather have a neutral space made available for this sort of discussion, and do not want OOo lists to be dominated by this sort of post. If someone wants to suggest a neutral space, that's great: go ahead. best Louis On 2011-05-26, at 10:24 , Volker Merschmann wrote: Hi, I am forwarding this also to this list as there had been zero response on disc...@openoffice.org and d...@openoffice.org. As there have been some answers on dev@marketing, please follow-up there. Thx Volker -- Forwarded message -- From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Date: 2011/5/25 Subject: [marketing-dev] Why TDF should be the place for one united Community To: d...@marketing.openoffice.org Hello everyone, I have not been subscribed to this list for months, but due to Louis' recent Cc, I was made aware of the discussion going on -- so, as a representant of TDF, but also as someone for whom personally the community means a lot, let me say a few words. I indeed see the current situation as an ideal basis for uniting things. The diversity the Community is in now doesn't help anyone. If you now think we, TDF, are happy and get satisfaction out of the current situation, you are terribly wrong. Even if we expected something like that to happen, our intention was to safeguard the project from this eventuality, not to profit from it. We all have similar goals: a free office suite, available to everyone. So let's not discuss about the past, about what has happened and about the reasons that led to this, but rather focus on the future. I want to openly repeat our invitation to everyone to join The Document Foundation and the LibreOffice Community. Why do I think that we are the right place to continue the work? In yesterday's blog post, we summed up where we stand, and reading it will help to understand the current situation: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/05/24/updates-on-the-foundation/ 1. We are vendor neutral. I am sorry that I have to object to Louis' statement of us being a proxy for Microsoft -- nothing can be further from the truth. I must confess, that by statements like these, I feel even personally insulted. I spend many hours per day on a pure volunteer basis, and if anyone can point on those of my doings that are proxying for Microsoft, I would be interested to hear them. Otherwise, I'll ask to stop spreading those wrong assumptions -- as they are simply that: wrong. 2. We have a strong legal backing, not only by the German nonprofit Freies Office Deutschland e.V., but also by the Software in the Public Interest (SPI), and we are on track with establishing the Foundation as a legal entity. Even right now, we have all options needed for dealing with legal aspects, accepting and spending money. We already can and do maintain trademarks, brands and other assets. 3. We have an independent infrastructure that works and is not controlled by nor depends on a single entity. In addition, as we are not using a fixed web framework, we are very flexible in what we do. 4. We have not only gained a lot of momentum, but also a strong developer base of more than 200 volunteers, amongst them 40 who contribute on a very regular basis. Yes, of course, any contribution corporations with paid developers do are highly welcome and help a lot -- but already right now, we are in a status where we could drive the project without them, if the worst case would occur. This is something we never managed to achieve in ten years' of OpenOffice.org. When I first read the Oracle announcement from April, talking about an independent, noncommercial entity, my first thoughts were -- and still are -- this is exactly what TDF is doing. I have seen proposals of setting up another foundation, or moving to an existing foundation that is not TDF. Honestly, this does not make very much sense to me. It would again lead to a diversity, would require many efforts, and would continue to irritate the market at large. Why reinvent the wheel? OpenOffice.org is already very special in many of its processes. Having it under the umbrella of another, existing entity, would require lots of changes to fit in there. TDF has, from the very beginning, been shaped as a new entity with processes that fit to what we have accomplished the last years. We changed things that didn't work, and improved things that do work -- isn't this the best basis to build on? Let's not waste energy in once again trying to fit under an umbrella, but rather work jointly together on our future. I am not saying that TDF does everything right and 100% perfect. We are giving our best, and I think we do a fairly good job. I've seen comments that TDF is missing big corporate support, and that the whole ecosystem is at risk. Again, I
[native-lang] Updates....
All, I've left Oracle but continue to be involved in the management and leadership of OpenOffice.org and continue to promote the adoption and interoperability of the OpenDocument Format, or ODF. The most immediate and obvious change in my new status is of course that I can no longer receive mail to my (former) Oracle alias; please be so good as to send mail to louis[at]openoffice.org. As well, it also means that I will be able to focus more on Marketing and regional development, as well as engaging all the distributed efforts forming the growing OOo and ODF ecosystems. And it also means that, as always, I remain attentive to what you need, want, desire, wish for, and will try my best to communicate those desires to whomever must hear them. Cheers, Louis -- Louis Suarez-Potts, PhD Chair, Community Council Co-Lead, Marketing (and several other) Lead, Native Language Confederation (and others) and for now, Community Manager OpenOffice.org Blog: http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Re: [marketing] Updates....
Hi On 2011-02-11, at 09:09 , Peter Junge wrote: So, you are stepping into independence without becoming libre? ;-) (SCNR this pun!) :-) Indeed, and I still believe that the future lies where the engine driving the train takes us, with the engineers tending it, and that we can see ahead if we work with the engineers, not with the tenders of the last car, the caboose. From there, you can only see the past. Been there. Me, I want to do the future thing. Good luck, Peter Thanks, Louis On 02/11/2011 09:58 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: All, I've left Oracle but continue to be involved in the management and leadership of OpenOffice.org and continue to promote the adoption and interoperability of the OpenDocument Format, or ODF. The most immediate and obvious change in my new status is of course that I can no longer receive mail to my (former) Oracle alias; please be so good as to send mail to louis[at]openoffice.org. As well, it also means that I will be able to focus more on Marketing and regional development, as well as engaging all the distributed efforts forming the growing OOo and ODF ecosystems. And it also means that, as always, I remain attentive to what you need, want, desire, wish for, and will try my best to communicate those desires to whomever must hear them. Cheers, Louis -- Louis Suarez-Potts, PhD Chair, Community Council Co-Lead, Marketing (and several other) Lead, Native Language Confederation (and others) and for now, Community Manager OpenOffice.org Blog: http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Change in Lead
On 2010-10-14, at 18:43 , Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 14/10/2010 21:32, Louis Suárez-Potts a écrit : All, I have asked that Charles Schulz recuse himself from his role as lead of the NLC category because of the confusion his new role outside of OpenOffice.org would produce in the minds of contributors and users. Ok, so I understand that you want every NLC lead to choose between LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org. I do not think it is the right time to raise this issue. No. I didn't say that or imply that, either. The NLC has two leads—Charles and I. These are category leads, not project leads. Neither of us is a lead of an NLC project. The category lead is a representative office. It differs from other project leads in setting policy for the overall category. I have done this now for about 9 years. One of the policies is that each project is more or less unique. And I have no interest in dictating what you do in yours, as long as you do not violate our guidelines. I do not want for people to feel pressured. I want rather for all users and contributors to feel comfortable that what they are doing when in OOo is for OpenOffice.org and not for some other organization. best Louis\ JBF -- Jean-Baptiste Faure French N-L project Lead http://fr.openoffice.org Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Change in Lead
On 2010-10-14, at 18:11 , Lior Kaplan wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com wrote: All, I have asked that Charles Schulz recuse himself from his role as lead of the NLC category because of the confusion his new role outside of OpenOffice.org would produce in the minds of contributors and users. I have not received an answer, so I must presume one, that he would act with good grace and recognize the impossibility of his dual roles. I think you're wrong on this, as many of us volunteer on more than one projects, and some might have conflicts, but that is the way community works. I do both Debian and Ubuntu work - and I just try to combine what's possible. Charles' use of this list to send a one time mail about LibreOffice was fine from my point of view, as any other mail about collaboration with open source projects. Oracle should be smarter on these issues and not making this an us vs. them situation... Kaplan This is not an Oracle issue. Rather, it's a longstanding OpenOffice.org policy not to permit the use of our resources for the advocacy of other projects or interests. In the past, we have acted as I did now. The issue at stake is not an us vs. them thing. It's rather, as I mentioned, an effort to ensure that users and contributors are clear as to what they are working on and for. Given the prominence of Charles in the matter, my action here is to be expected, as he is a founding member, I believe, of LibreOffice and the Document Foundation. -louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Re: [project leads] Re: [native-lang] Change in Lead
On 2010-10-14, at 21:40 , Joey Stanford wrote: This is not an Oracle issue. Rather, it's a longstanding OpenOffice.org policy not to permit the use of our resources for the advocacy of other projects or interests. The issue at stake is not an us vs. them thing. By your own admission, it is. Regardless of whether Charles should or should not have posted, you've just told everyone that even though the code base between OpenOffice and LibreOffice is the same, and many of the people are currently the same, Oracle doesn't want to collaborate but rather dictate. This just adds to the justification of the fork that just happened. I have said that? I'm curious to know when. But I'll save some time. My point is rather that there is both actual and probably confusion and that's a bad thing, for OpenOffice.org. Again, this is not an Oracle thing; it is a longstanding policy of OpenOffice.org's. We also happily accept those working on and affiliated with other projects to work on OpenOffice.org; but we also expect them then, if they become representatives of the project, to do so without the shadow of a conflict of interest. In this case, I believe there is a conflict of interest. Logically, there must be: else, there would not have been a split in the first place. -louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] We blogging too now
Thanks, Raphael! Is this blog part of the OOo general planet? Louis On 2010-09-08, at 14:14 , Raphael Bircher wrote: Hi at all OpenOffice.org Switzerland has started a blog for the contributors from Switzerland. The main part is in german for the moment. If you are interested http://www.ooorg.ch/cms/blog Greetings Raphael -- My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Re: [marketing] What to do for 10 years OpenOffice.org?
Danishka, On 2010-06-27, at 03:20 , Danishka Navin wrote: Folks, I suggest to have a survey in addition to all proposed and planned activities. Would you do the actual survey work of setting it up and putting it on? and the questions you ask below are far too vague to be useful, as a survey of this sort demands very precise answers for the information gleaned to be knowledge that can be used. BTW, we've done surveys before and we have ongoing surveys….. Louis Lets get the feedback from OO.org users and non-users. What they expected from us? What they got from OO.org? What they feel about OO.org? etc Thanks Danishka On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Samphan Raruenrom samp...@osdev.co.thwrote: I suggest that we have a global event like software freedom day or document freedom day. That is having events celebrating the anniversary everywhere around the world in the same day. All organizers of the event should register the plan in a wiki and may get some materials like a few official tea-shirts. On 26/6/2553 19:26, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, as you all may be aware, this year we will be celebrating our 10th anniversary -- ten years of OpenOffice.org, ten years of open standards, open document format(s) and a free office suite. We definitely should not miss the opportunity of telling the world what great things we have done over the past couple of years. A 10 year anniversary only occurs once, so let's not miss the opportunity! One idea that came up at the latest marketing confcall was to do some sort of countdown, i.e. activities beginning at OOoCon in September and ending on our birthday, October 13th. One possibility would be to have something twice a week: Every Monday, we show a business/governmental use case, and every Friday, we share something personal -- community members tell why they are engaged with OpenOffice.org, how they got involved, what they like about it, what their visions for the future are etc. (My spontaneous naming idea was Freedom Friday, but I guess I've catched that somewhere, as it's already taken...) What do you think about it? This might also help in bringing Rosana's video idea back into the marketing work. We all agreed that videos are a great idea, so this would be a nice opportunity... ;) Florian -- _/|\_ /Samphan Raruenrom./ Open Source Development Co., Ltd. Tel: +66 2 2699889 Fax: +66 38 773128 Web: www.osdev.co.th http://www.osdev.co.th/ Twitter: @osdev http://twitter.com/osdev Facebook: www.facebook.com/osdev http://www.facebook.com/osdev -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Downloads for Irish Gaelic NLC
This may be useful: http://ooopackages.good-day.net/mirrorbrain/query_chart.rb -Louis On 2010-06-20, at 23:47 , Kevin Scannell wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com wrote: A researcher is interested in tracking downloads of the Irish Gaelic binaries. Can anyone help him? I can supply his contact information offlist. Thanks Louis Naturally I'd be interested in the same data if it's being tracked by the OOo site somehow. If it's any help, our marketing efforts direct users to http://ga.openoffice.org/, which has links to binaries from here: http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/localized/ga/ ... I'd guess these links would represent the lion's share of direct downloads. Kevin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Proposal for Native Language Confederation (NLC) Project - NY
HI Roddy, On 2010-06-10, at 09:03 , Roderick Young wrote: Louis Maaori translation Are the Atheist prepared for the theist to have a try at translation? God willing :-) (Which is to say, Let those who can help each other and build a commons for all.) But, on a less serious note, no need to be astonished, Louis, you will find Google and before them Microsoft have worked up Maori Translations (see goole language options). I have worked a very small part on advising and promoting resectively on both projects. One took 6 years and the other two years. Super; but I am even more keenly interested in seeing how aboriginal/authocthonous work sustained by exigent internal or external pressure can map to other places, eg, Canada, North and South America, or Brazil (recent site of huge event re Global Climate Change and aboriginal peoples of the world). What is the requisite element? What can we, what can I do to initiate, sustain? Corporate money is not the answer. Local solutions are. But they can be further sustained by international co-ordination, and organisations like OOo are instrumental, I should think. The work on logistics has been talked out around open office and I have called a few meetings and set some agendas for these meetings. Great. We also have the Irish Gaelic instance to think of, as well as the Extremadura one... I see the dialects of the same language always being the sticking point and would suggest 5 Maori translation for tribal groups (Nga Puhi, Waikato, Tuhoe, Kaitahu and one other) Hm. Interesting. We had similar issues of competing dialects with Norwegian, when we first started it. (I had *no* idea that NO was so complicated. But this is the nature of language and why its wealth is also its confounding element for so many. Language is if not culture nevertheless a tab by which culture is romanced.) Also the international nomencluture for MI may need to be changed to represent the five! (extremely big task that the world Oo society my have to uncork for the Maori before the wine can pour and the Haka (dance with actions and song) can begin. We can work around things like this. For instance, in Norwegian we use simply NO for the project. But I think that within the group itself, there are gradations. In Spanish, we use simply ES but of course there are many dialects of Spanish, and the the Argentine flavour, for instance, differs quite markedly from the Mexican and that from Castellano, and so on. But they are sited happily enough under ES. An international welcome to the project is needed from a united community of Oo member nations. That can be arranged, of course, but first we need to see the code :-). This is a work programme, not a marketing or political effort. This stage work would trigger governmental interest as well as NGO interest in why it was not done. Perhaps. Brighter minds than I, more capable minds than I and more competent minds than I can then come on board to have it completed. New Zealand was first to give women the vote, have a citizen first to clime Mt Everest, first to split the Atom with Rutherford and so a first lurks in this Oo somewhere. :-) Ciao Louis RY NZ Sent from my iPhone On 10/06/2010, at 5:59 AM, Louis Suarez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, On 2010-05-19, at 06:13 , Roderick Young wrote: Zanga A student in Waikato University, New Zealand (Aotearoa -Maaori indigenous language of Aotearoa (land of the long white cloud) New Zealand, Southern Hemisphere) back in early 2000's was from Malawi, Africa. We ate together and talked long into the night many occasions. Zanga can you please say a prayer, in your language for the oneness of humanity and also the unity we need here in New Zealand to translate open office into Maaori, thank you. If we hold our faith in prayer for the oneness of humanity then we atheists are out of luck :-) But, on a more serious note, I'm astonished that there is not yet a Maaori NLC. There ought to be. I learned, once, long ago, much of Maaori and a few other versions of Polynesian, as my grandmother was travelling from island to island in the vast Pacific and I was fascinated by the incredible migrations made by the ancient Polynesians. What a beautiful, musical language. How grand and great it would be to have OOo in it! Louis Roddy Young Aotearoa (New Zealand) Sent from my iPhone On 19/05/2010, at 10:02 PM, Zanga Chimombo z.chimo...@gmail.com wrote: My name is Zanga Chimombo. I am IT professional living and working in Blantyre, Malawi. I would like to propose my native language ChiNyanja also known as ChiChewa, Chewa or Nyanja (ISO 639-1: ny, ISO 639-2: nya) to be considered as an NLC project of the Open Office suite of software. ChiNyanja is spoken in Malawi, Mozambique and Zambia. I have some experience of involvement in an open source software project
Re: [native-lang] Proposal for Native Language Confederation (NLC) Project - NY
Hi Zanga, I'm delighted to see your effort represented here! I've created the project and added a link to it to our native-lang.html page of projects. best Louis On 2010-05-19, at 06:02 , Zanga Chimombo wrote: My name is Zanga Chimombo. I am IT professional living and working in Blantyre, Malawi. I would like to propose my native language ChiNyanja also known as ChiChewa, Chewa or Nyanja (ISO 639-1: ny, ISO 639-2: nya) to be considered as an NLC project of the Open Office suite of software. ChiNyanja is spoken in Malawi, Mozambique and Zambia. I have some experience of involvement in an open source software project (http://bawo.sourceforge.net) and I am aware of prior work on a ChiNyanja spell checker by Kevin Scannell and Soyapi Mumba (myspell-ny version 0.01) released in January 2005. As a start I would like to update this work in order to make a ChiNyanja spell checker dictionary available as an Open Office 3.0 Extension Dictionary. I would then be in a position to expand the dictionary as well as create a thesaurus and maybe even grammar checker. I am hoping that by this stage, significant interest can have been generated for the project within Malawi and surrounding countries. I look forward to your favourable consideration. Kind regards, Zanga. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Proposal for Native Language Confederation (NLC) Project - NY
Hi all, On 2010-05-19, at 06:13 , Roderick Young wrote: Zanga A student in Waikato University, New Zealand (Aotearoa -Maaori indigenous language of Aotearoa (land of the long white cloud) New Zealand, Southern Hemisphere) back in early 2000's was from Malawi, Africa. We ate together and talked long into the night many occasions. Zanga can you please say a prayer, in your language for the oneness of humanity and also the unity we need here in New Zealand to translate open office into Maaori, thank you. If we hold our faith in prayer for the oneness of humanity then we atheists are out of luck :-) But, on a more serious note, I'm astonished that there is not yet a Maaori NLC. There ought to be. I learned, once, long ago, much of Maaori and a few other versions of Polynesian, as my grandmother was travelling from island to island in the vast Pacific and I was fascinated by the incredible migrations made by the ancient Polynesians. What a beautiful, musical language. How grand and great it would be to have OOo in it! Louis Roddy Young Aotearoa (New Zealand) Sent from my iPhone On 19/05/2010, at 10:02 PM, Zanga Chimombo z.chimo...@gmail.com wrote: My name is Zanga Chimombo. I am IT professional living and working in Blantyre, Malawi. I would like to propose my native language ChiNyanja also known as ChiChewa, Chewa or Nyanja (ISO 639-1: ny, ISO 639-2: nya) to be considered as an NLC project of the Open Office suite of software. ChiNyanja is spoken in Malawi, Mozambique and Zambia. I have some experience of involvement in an open source software project (http://bawo.sourceforge.net) and I am aware of prior work on a ChiNyanja spell checker by Kevin Scannell and Soyapi Mumba (myspell-ny version 0.01) released in January 2005. As a start I would like to update this work in order to make a ChiNyanja spell checker dictionary available as an Open Office 3.0 Extension Dictionary. I would then be in a position to expand the dictionary as well as create a thesaurus and maybe even grammar checker. I am hoping that by this stage, significant interest can have been generated for the project within Malawi and surrounding countries. I look forward to your favourable consideration. Kind regards, Zanga. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Icelandic as a NLC-project
What is the issue tracker number and link associated with this request? Louis On 2010-06-01, at 13:20 , Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: Hi Yes, of course. Louis On 2010-06-01, at 10:27 , Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Sveinn, Indeed, that's problematic. I'm sorry about this. Louis, can you please open this project? It's been waiting in the queue since February... Thanks, Charles. Le Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:19:04 +, Sveinn í Felli svei...@nett.is a écrit : Hi, is there any news on creation of our Icelandic NLC project ? As requested on 26th of January 2010: http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=devmsgNo=9025 There were some followups, then stalled due to signing of the Sun Microsystems Inc. Contributor Agreement (SCA), which we sent to copyright...@sun.com on the 29th of January 2010. Since then, we haven't seen any feedback. Can someone check for us, or tell us what next steps to take. Best regards, Sveinn í Felli PS: our icelandic translation is already 100% for UI and around 10% for Help. We'd really appreciate any help to get an officially distributed langpack or installset before next fall, it seems there are many schools and institutions eager to adopt OOo during next semester. Þann mið 27.jan 2010 18:07, skrifaði Charles-H. Schulz: Le Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:09:33 +, Sveinn í Fellisvei...@nett.is a écrit : Þann þri 26.jan 2010 16:30, Charles-H. Schulz skrifaði: So the project's name should be: IS Yes The project lead's username should be: sveinki Yes -is there a way to have two project leads? Kristjan Bjarni Gudmundssonkristjanbjarni at gmail dot com is the other half, he registered us for translation and some other stuff. I would need his username then. It probably is kristjan Your SCA is signed and sent. Was it? Don't recall, I've signed the FSF-disclaimer, but don't think I did the SCA one. hmm... this one? See here: http://contributing.openoffice.org/programming.html You want me to sign this ? I will, but is it necessary for non-coding work ? (the instructions at http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/protocols_proposing.html are not too clear about this, mentioning that a PLD-license could be used too) Indeed, it's not mandatory but as you're still contributing code, I thought you had already submitted it. Best, Charles. Best regards, Sveinn í Felli - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Icelandic as a NLC-project
IN future, it helps to expedite to provide the actual link. Louis On 2010-06-01, at 13:55 , Sveinn í Felli wrote: Seems like Issue 108716 Sveinn Þann þri 1.jún 2010 17:24, skrifaði Louis Suarez-Potts: What is the issue tracker number and link associated with this request? Louis On 2010-06-01, at 13:20 , Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: Hi Yes, of course. Louis On 2010-06-01, at 10:27 , Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Sveinn, Indeed, that's problematic. I'm sorry about this. Louis, can you please open this project? It's been waiting in the queue since February... Thanks, Charles. Le Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:19:04 +, Sveinn í Fellisvei...@nett.is a écrit : Hi, is there any news on creation of our Icelandic NLC project ? As requested on 26th of January 2010: http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=devmsgNo=9025 There were some followups, then stalled due to signing of the Sun Microsystems Inc. Contributor Agreement (SCA), which we sent to copyright...@sun.com on the 29th of January 2010. Since then, we haven't seen any feedback. Can someone check for us, or tell us what next steps to take. Best regards, Sveinn í Felli PS: our icelandic translation is already 100% for UI and around 10% for Help. We'd really appreciate any help to get an officially distributed langpack or installset before next fall, it seems there are many schools and institutions eager to adopt OOo during next semester. Þann mið 27.jan 2010 18:07, skrifaði Charles-H. Schulz: Le Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:09:33 +, Sveinn í Fellisvei...@nett.is a écrit : Þann þri 26.jan 2010 16:30, Charles-H. Schulz skrifaði: So the project's name should be: IS Yes The project lead's username should be: sveinki Yes -is there a way to have two project leads? Kristjan Bjarni Gudmundssonkristjanbjarni at gmail dot comis the other half, he registered us for translation and some other stuff. I would need his username then. It probably is kristjan Your SCA is signed and sent. Was it? Don't recall, I've signed the FSF-disclaimer, but don't think I did the SCA one. hmm... this one? See here: http://contributing.openoffice.org/programming.html You want me to sign this ? I will, but is it necessary for non-coding work ? (the instructions at http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/protocols_proposing.html are not too clear about this, mentioning that a PLD-license could be used too) Indeed, it's not mandatory but as you're still contributing code, I thought you had already submitted it. Best, Charles. Best regards, Sveinn í Felli - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Re: [l10n-dev] Results for the Community Council Elections (2010-03)
Olivier Welcome to the team :-) I'm delighted to see you on the Council and look forward (a trite but true phrase) to working with you! And I think that the strong presence now of a key BrOffice lead is of immeasurable value. Few other community organizations have proven themselves in quite the same brilliant way as yours has. Best, Louis On 2010-04-22, at 20:44 , Olivier Hallot wrote: Hi I also want to thank to all members who put confidence on me, and I will ask you to always let me know your needs and concerns with respect to the project. Thank you again for your confidence. Special thanks to the election comitee or team, as well as the observers and former members of the Council, and also those from the community who I asked for advise and orientation. Olivier skype: ohallot gtalk: olivier.hal...@gmail.com Phone: +55-21-8822-8812. Christoph Noack escreveu: Hi everyone, the results of the elections held earlier this month are now available. Two of the three candidates have been confirmed to represent you in the Community Council. Unfortunately, one member hasn't been confirmed in his role. But first the detailed results ... Native Language Confederation Representative Candidate: Olivier Hallot Results: 36 Yes, 2 No (116) Code Contributor Representative Candidate: Eike Rathke Results: 57 Yes, 0 No (69) Product Development Representative Candidate: Thorsten Behrens Results: 12 Yes, 28 No (50) The observers, Sophie Gautier and Drew Jensen have all approved and confirmed the results. My thanks to them and to Stefan Taxhet, who managed the voting apparatus that allowed us to vote. Please join me in welcoming Olivier and Eike! I have no doubt they are all quite familiar to you, and I and everyone else on the Council, hope that you will grow more familiar with them and the working of the Council. The time in the Council gives us the chance to develop a good relationship. And this good relationship is also true with regard to Thorsten - we all know him, respect him, and value his contributions. The constituency of the Product Development Representative just expressed their opinion that there might be another community member who better fits this role. My personal thanks to Thorsten for being a candidate! In the next Community Council meeting it will be decided how to proceed with regard to the Product Development Representative. Most likely, the whole elections for this role will be re-done. Thus, other community members might consider their nomination. If you want to know more about the current elections, the underlying process, or the Community Council - please have a look at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Elections/2010-03 One last thing: Dear project leads, please forward this mail to your project members if you think they are interested in. Thanks in advance! Cheers, Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@l10n.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@l10n.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@l10n.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@l10n.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Translation of odt2daisy new version and website
Thanks! On 2010-04-10, at 11:46 , Nino Novak wrote: On Saturday 10 April 2010 14:33, Sophie wrote: This is a call to help on the translation of odt2daisy [1] (this is the format who allow visually impaired people to read books :-). If nobody complains, I'm going to take the German (de-DE) translation. Vincent's work is brilliant and has already helped many; his presentation last OOoCon resulted in a standing ovation. But what really counts is use. Your efforts will help! Vincent is on need for help because the translations on the website are outdated and there is a new version (2.1) of odt2daisy extension. This version can now produce Full DAISY books playable on any MP3 player. 27 audiolanguages can be produced using eSpeak (out of the box on Linux, and with eSpeak installation on Windows. The full documentation on how to translate odt2daisy: http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/l10n/L10N_Documentation.odt http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/l10n/L10N_Documentation.pdf In some of the templates, under File Properties User defined properties there is an element named DAISY TOP LEVEL with value chapter. Translate it or leave it? Regards, Nino -- Ciao louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Re: OpenOffice 3.2 QA workshop in Sri Lanka
And I blogged. Louis On 2010-03-30, at 13:32 , Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Danishka, Danishka Navin wrote on 2010-03-30 17.02: Thanks all; here is the Blog post : http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com/2010/03/openoffice-32-qa-workshop-2010-sri.html thanks a lot for sharing - I've just twittered on it. ;-) Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] The Swiss NGO is online!
Raphael, My apologies for not congratulating you first, fastest, and most :-) I've witnessed, and I hope, helped, you and your team arrive at this point, and it is great. I shoiuld hope that your work can prove to be a model others can follow in setting up regional (and sustainable) groups. I am convinced that only by having regional groups--something I and others have now long advocated--can we successfully engage those who would most benefit from OOo and its technologies. The Web is great but it is not the everything wanted. Cheers, Louis On 2010-03-30, at 14:53 , Sophie wrote: Hi Raphael, Raphael Bircher wrote: Hi at all Happy news from Switzerland. The Swiss NGO OpenOffice.org Switzerland is now online. You can visite our page under http://www.ooorg.ch/ Great, after that long effort, I'm really happy to see it online :-) At the moment all of the page is in German, but wi plan to translate the site on French and maybe inalien too. The interest for a Swiss Association is big. We hope to help to put OOo forward. If you need help with French, don't hesitate to ask me. I will keep you update about our events and our activities. thanks a lot and keep the good work you're doing! Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Scam sites and openoffice
Thanks. I'll forward this to the trademark group. Louis On 2010-03-28, at 13:21 , Simon Brouwer wrote: Hi, One of our users encountered this one: http://www.downloaden-office.com/ Although there appears to be a Chilean company behind this, the Dutch text on the website is quite well written. They obviously make incorrect use of OpenOffice.org trademarks. -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org | http://www.opentaal.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] OpenOffice 3.2 QA workshop in Sri Lanka
Danishka, et al. Thanks for the information and great news! I look forward to hearing more of what happens in your workshop and, more broadly, in the acceptance and adoption of OOo in Sri Lanka. I think you probably do not need our specific help, but I'd like to second Charles' offer of an interview. And I'd also like to see what we can do internationally to promote your group's efforts. Best Louis On 2010-03-18, at 10:55 , Danishka Navin wrote: Thanks you all :) as at 17th March COB 19 volunteers requested to participate. its little bit hard to manage 19 guys with limited resources. So, we will be take 1st 12 volunteers (4 guys per Win,Deb and RPM) and we will keep in touch with rest of the people, definitely we will call them for future activities. I downloaded the test cases from TCM. But let me know if you have some test cases for OO.org 3.2 Danishka On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Sophie sgautier@free.fr wrote: Hi Danishka Danishka Navin wrote: Date: 25th March 2010 Duration: 1 day (8 hours) Products: OO.org Writer, Calc, Imperss and Base. Right now about 10 volunteers has been registered. This is really great, I wish you all the best for the workshop! Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Scam sites and openoffice
Hi, I have notified the trademark list members of this site and will contact them (the Greek site). They seem to be engaging in risky behaviour. -louis On 2010-03-10, at 15:35 , Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 10.03.2010 19:19, Kostas Papadimas a écrit : I've just spotted a scam site (http://www.office-gr.com/ ) that distributes a modified openoffice installer (installation asks for a serial number which can be purchased after sending an sms that costs 4.5 euros). (OK the page is in greek , but you can see the company and the legal terms in the end of the page and probably exists in other languages too ) Yes, the site owner is the same company cited in this thread : http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=29546 Regards JBF -- Jean-Baptiste Faure French N-L project Lead http://fr.openoffice.org Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Scam sites and openoffice
Thanks, Jesús, I had not been aware of this company. -louis On 2010-03-10, at 13:34 , Jesús Corrius wrote: Here it is another one in Spanish: http://openoffice.es-2010.net/es/ You just have to do some searches in Google and they will appear easily. 2010/3/10 Kostas Papadimas p...@gmx.net: I've just spotted a scam site (http://www.office-gr.com/ ) that distributes a modified openoffice installer (installation asks for a serial number which can be purchased after sending an sms that costs 4.5 euros). (OK the page is in greek , but you can see the company and the legal terms in the end of the page and probably exists in other languages too ) Kostas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org -- Jesús Corrius http://www.corrius.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Re: [Fwd: Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years]
Hi On 2010-03-07, at 10:58 , Charles-H. Schulz wrote: James, As I said, nothing is going to happen until you and others RTFM . Read my message, again, and see exactly how you should submit ssh keys. Indeed. I just referred back to the proposer one ssh2key request (me: ssh2key). The way it works, as we spell out, is that the project lead (or designee) must approve of new requests. If I am tardy in responding, then by all means don't hesitate to nag me. But please follow the guidelines Charles points to. Louis Charles. Le Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:42:02 +0100, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com a écrit : I am willing to talk over the lead until I find someone else to replace me. Here are my keys, the SCA, I can do asap. mike https://launchpad.net/~jamesmikedupont/+sshkeys On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles-h.sch...@laposte.net wrote: Hi, I would first like to thank Shkumbin for his contributions these past years. I am eager to see the Albanian project grow and work againwith Flossk or anyone who is willing and able to carry this project forward. Unfortunately we cannot advance any further at that time until Shkumbin has formally appointed a new lead (change his role from observer to Project Lead). The new lead shall 1) upload his/her ssh keys, sign and fax the SCA. This is explained here: http://native-lang.openoffice.org and here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NLC Until any of these steps have been completed we cannot consider that we have a project and a leadership. If necessary, Louis Suarez-Potts can change the role of the person whose new leadership role has been agreed on. But even today, it's even unclear who we're talking to. Please note that there can be two leads, if necessary. Best, Charles-H. Schulz. Le Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:25:33 +0100, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com a écrit : Hi, We (flossk) have gotten the sources from shumbin, he is very busy. He came and spoke at the conference, I will have the videos online in some time. Agron is also part of flossk, I would like to see flossk taking a larger role in openoffice, it would be great to hold a openoffice workshop in kosovo and albania, can we get someone to come to one of the conferences this year: http://kosovasoftwarefreedom.org/ http://www.wikicfp.com/cfp/servlet/event.showcfp?eventid=8871 thanks, mike On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2010-03-06, at 04:07 , Open Office Shqip wrote: Hi to everyone, I appoologize for not replying earlier in this issue, as I was offline for some time. Dear Loius, Charlkes and Agron, ….and also the entire list and world: these archives are public. Thanks for your interesting on making the albanian localization 'live' again in OO.o site, but we have taken some efforts to make it live in FLOSSK (Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova). So it's the work that we are tryibg to accomplish in localising the updates for OO.o 3.+, and having new young people on team, on the field. Otherwise, I do not have any problem if you want to handle the Albanian Lead to Agron, but just I would like to be sure that this will not lead only to this small step. As we know, the OO.o source if free to be downloaded, localizes and build. If Agron or anyone come's up with updated localisation, I would be more than happy. So, feel free to decide, but just let's have results as proof. Unfortunately, so far, only my team have developed something so far. I'm aware that it didn't went as expected, but that's life. Agroni, et al., let's work together on this. :-) Looking forward for a progress in OO.o Albanian. Best Regards, Shkumbin Shkumbin: a personal request. Please consider changing your email alias. Right now, it's Open Office Shqip and that would suggest to someone unfamiliar with us and our policies that you are a representative (in some official capacity) of OpenOffice.org. I'm sure you do not want to confuse people, so please change the alias to something less confusing. Thanks. -louis On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Louis Suarez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: To reiterate the point: A. For Albanian localization, please work with and within the l10n project: http://l10n.openoffice.org and d...@l10n.openoffice.org. NLC is no really suited for localization efforts. Please work there to coordinate your efforts. B. it's possible (likely?) that you are the only one working on this. Is that the case? Do you know? What have you done to determine that? C. Let's say that others join you in this effort to localize OOo to Albanian and that this is sustainable... in that case, forming an NLC project makes sense. So: 1. If the supposed lead of the Albanian project has not responded to you or to us
Re: [native-lang] Re: [Fwd: Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years]
Agroni, Both Charles and I have replied to you. Have you not received our replies? Louis On 2010-03-01, at 23:34 , Linux Master wrote: Please, can anyone look into my issue? Hello dev list, Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian team (sq), but there has not been any response for far. I have not received any response from the team leader Shkumbin Saneja at all. Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO 1.1.4 I believe this team is not active anymore. Please look into this matter. If the current team leader needs to approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive because of him. From what I can see, the last thing this team did was almost 5 years ago. Please help. I want to take over this project and get some active people involved. Many have gone to launchpad and are translating OpenOffice for Ubuntu in Albanian. For me, that's not the right level to translate since only Ubuntu and sub distros of Ubuntu will benefit. But, can only guess that many of them tried to register here, but because no one admitted they have found another place to have fun. Thanks, //Agroni Subject: Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years From: Louis Suarez-Potts lui...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:34:55 -0500 To: linuxmas...@verizon.net To: linuxmas...@verizon.net CC: southerncr...@openoffice.org Hello, Agroni, On 2010-02-13, at 21:20 , linuxmas...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Charles and Louis, Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian team (sq), but there has not been any response for far. I have not received any response from the team leader Shkumbin Saneja at all. Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO 1.1.4 I believe this team is not active anymore. Please look into this matter. If the current team leader needs to approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive because of him. From what I can see, the last thing this team did was almost 5 years ago. Please help. Thanks, //Agroni I think the best tactic here is to inform the broader lists via d...@native-lang and also d...@l10n about this situation. It's normal in Foss projects, which are often volunteer-run, for the responsible to disappear as they become engaged in other (often remunerative) activities. It's life. But equally, we can always and always are soliciting new interest. Given the nature of Albanian and its polity, I'd also wonder if it would help to engage government support? Foss saves money. Gives freedom. Builds local economies. Is good. :-) Ciao Louis Feb 6, 2010 09:19:44 PM, iss...@www.openoffice.org wrote: To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=103426 User agroni changed the following: What |Old value |New value Component|native-lang |l10n QA contact|iss...@native-lang |iss...@l10n --- Additional comments from agr...@openoffice.org Sun Feb 7 02:19:42 + 2010 --- Still no response from no one. Looks like the whole albanian team has abandoned this project. Please, assign me as a new albanian team leader. Come on, please, it's been 6 months since the last post here. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Re: [Fwd: Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years]
To reiterate the point: A. For Albanian localization, please work with and within the l10n project: http://l10n.openoffice.org and d...@l10n.openoffice.org. NLC is no really suited for localization efforts. Please work there to coordinate your efforts. B. it's possible (likely?) that you are the only one working on this. Is that the case? Do you know? What have you done to determine that? C. Let's say that others join you in this effort to localize OOo to Albanian and that this is sustainable... in that case, forming an NLC project makes sense. So: 1. If the supposed lead of the Albanian project has not responded to you or to us (and I'm cc'ing him here) within a reasonable period of time--say within this week--and if there is a living community (uhm, say active--why discriminate against the zombies? that's a joke.)--then work with them by using the project list to move the localization ahead. 2. It may be that you need the permissions to update the webpages, etc. If no one is there to grant you those within the project, I can do that for you. Effectively, you would become the project lead, though webmaster is not the same as lead. Still, to make it easier for all, you should co-ordinate with the existing community, if any, on this issue, so that who is in control of the pages and lists is known and accepted by all. I hope this gets you started. Basically, it comes down to this: Don't wait on ceremony (but don't be rude, of course) and do get going on the localization if you have the resources or energies to get others to work on it. Best, Louis On 2010-03-01, at 23:34 , Linux Master wrote: Please, can anyone look into my issue? Hello dev list, Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian team (sq), but there has not been any response for far. I have not received any response from the team leader Shkumbin Saneja at all. Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO 1.1.4 I believe this team is not active anymore. Please look into this matter. If the current team leader needs to approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive because of him. From what I can see, the last thing this team did was almost 5 years ago. Please help. I want to take over this project and get some active people involved. Many have gone to launchpad and are translating OpenOffice for Ubuntu in Albanian. For me, that's not the right level to translate since only Ubuntu and sub distros of Ubuntu will benefit. But, can only guess that many of them tried to register here, but because no one admitted they have found another place to have fun. Thanks, //Agroni Subject: Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years From: Louis Suarez-Potts lui...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:34:55 -0500 To: linuxmas...@verizon.net To: linuxmas...@verizon.net CC: southerncr...@openoffice.org Hello, Agroni, On 2010-02-13, at 21:20 , linuxmas...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Charles and Louis, Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian team (sq), but there has not been any response for far. I have not received any response from the team leader Shkumbin Saneja at all. Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO 1.1.4 I believe this team is not active anymore. Please look into this matter. If the current team leader needs to approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive because of him. From what I can see, the last thing this team did was almost 5 years ago. Please help. Thanks, //Agroni I think the best tactic here is to inform the broader lists via d...@native-lang and also d...@l10n about this situation. It's normal in Foss projects, which are often volunteer-run, for the responsible to disappear as they become engaged in other (often remunerative) activities. It's life. But equally, we can always and always are soliciting new interest. Given the nature of Albanian and its polity, I'd also wonder if it would help to engage government support? Foss saves money. Gives freedom. Builds local economies. Is good. :-) Ciao Louis Feb 6, 2010 09:19:44 PM, iss...@www.openoffice.org wrote: To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=103426 User agroni changed the following: What |Old value |New value Component|native-lang |l10n QA contact|iss...@native-lang |iss...@l10n --- Additional comments from agr...@openoffice.org Sun Feb 7 02:19:42 + 2010 --- Still no response from no one. Looks
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[native-lang] projects updated
I've (finally) acted on the requests for NLC projects and have created them, along with updating the germane Issue Tracker components and projects.openoffice.org/native-lang.html page to reflect the changes. If you do not see your project there or if the data are inaccurate, let me know by mail or Issue Tracker. -louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Create Haitian Creole website for OOo
I'll get to it today, provided that Charles has filed--as I am sure he has--the issue. -louis On 2009-12-18, at 10:58 , Jean Came Poulard wrote: Me and the Logipam(http://logipam.org) team continue to wait for the creation of the Haitian Creople Localization Project. As we have resources as a Spell Checker and we are on the way to develop a Thesaurus. This Project will come on a good time. Since we already sign the SCA we hope that this project could be start as soon as possible. Best regards Jean Came Poulard Ingénieur informatique / Software designer Logipam Developer manager 509 36 01 29 59 http://www.logipam.org jcpoul...@logipam.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Sweden redux....
On 2009-12-17, at 06:13 , Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Louis, Le Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:29:59 -0500, Louis Suarez-Potts louis.suarez-po...@sun.com a écrit : I'm concerned about the Swedish language group and for that matter, the OOo advocates and OOo members in Sweden. There are numerous activities going on and there are also quite a few businesses interested in or engaged with Foss and even OOo. ODF is also big there. But none of these factors has seemingly been sufficient to form a sustainable OOo commons or community, and so I'm concerned. I've suggested before to Leif (DA), Martin (NO) and others the idea of a pan-Nordic language/regional group. That may be a solution, but it, like everything else, needs to be driven to succeed. So, let's start from the basics: Where are the Swedish community members? What is the state of health of the community there? And can we look to forming such a pan-Nordic group? Best, Louis We have Per Eriksson there, the website is alive and maintained... Did you receive complaints or something? Best, Charles. Actually, my post was somewhat stimulated by the absence of Per Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Sweden redux....
I'm concerned about the Swedish language group and for that matter, the OOo advocates and OOo members in Sweden. There are numerous activities going on and there are also quite a few businesses interested in or engaged with Foss and even OOo. ODF is also big there. But none of these factors has seemingly been sufficient to form a sustainable OOo commons or community, and so I'm concerned. I've suggested before to Leif (DA), Martin (NO) and others the idea of a pan-Nordic language/regional group. That may be a solution, but it, like everything else, needs to be driven to succeed. So, let's start from the basics: Where are the Swedish community members? What is the state of health of the community there? And can we look to forming such a pan-Nordic group? Best, Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Proposal of translating Openoffice to Sidama Language
Apologies; this will be done tomorrow (Sunday; actually, later on today). Along with this, the other keys and projects that need to be done. best Louis PS the inefficiency really lies in requiring me to upload the keys and create the projects. I'm not persuaded this madness is justified by its method. On 2009-12-12, at 14:11 , Arade Tariku Tegen wrote: Dear Charles, We have proposed Afar and Sidama Native Language Projects to be setup. We have are waiting to upload our ssh keys. Could any one help us on this so that we proceed faster? Thanks in advance, Arade On 11/22/09, Charles-H. Schulz charles-h.sch...@laposte.net wrote: hello Arade, Issue filed for your two proposals. This may take some time before you can upload your keys. Feel free to ask questions on this list and on d...@l10n.openoffice.org Welcome (again) to OpenOffice.org and good luck, Charles. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Create Asturian website for OOo
Hi, On 2009-12-01, at 10:59 , Charles-H.Schulz wrote: Marcos, As soon as Louis will have opened it. There is usally some time between proposals and the actual set up of the project... And that is intentional. The idea is to excite interest in the developer / contributor communities in your project, NLC or not, and to use the time to do that. We are also interested in ensuring that quick proposals are validated by deep interest and resources, and that we do not create inadvertently projects that don't do much work but do dissuade others from work. Sorry for the delay, So there is no apology needed. There is only rather the interest in ensuring that this is real and that you have appealed to developers and contributors and all other sources for contributing to this soon-to-be-created project. best Louis Charles. Le Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:33:15 +0100, Marcos marcoscosta...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi :) When will be active the Asturian Language Project? (ast.openoffice.org) Thanks very much! On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles-h.sch...@laposte.net wrote: Marcos, The issue has been filed and you can now send the SCA to the right address. Please be aware it might take some time before the project's page are actually created. You will then be able to upload your ssh keys. Please feel free to participate and ask questions on this list and others! Welcome to OpenOffice.org, Charles. Le 19 nov. 2009 à 20:36, Marcos a écrit : - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] November 2009 Election Results
All, The election held earlier this month ended quite satisfactorily and we held our first Council meeting with the newly elected members this last Thursday 26 Nov. [0]. On behalf of everyone concerned in the process, I'd like to congratulate all for the success of this first wave of elections. It was held according to the provisions of the new Election Process [1], and despite a few confusing mixups, went really very well. Next week, we'll start the next cycle. But for now The new members and the constituencies they will be representing are: ** Code Contributor Representative: Juergen Schmidt 51 Yes, 9 No (68) ** NLC Representative: Charles-H. Schulz 39 Yes, 3 No (111) ** Product Development Representative: Christoph Noack 31 Votes Christoph Noack 9 Votes Alexandro Colorado (49) The observers, Sophie Gautier, Drew Jensen, and Mechtilde Stehmann, have all approved and confirmed the results. My thanks to them and to Stefan Taxhet, who managed the voting apparatus that allowed us to vote. Please join me in welcoming Juergen, Charles and Christoph! I have no doubt they are all quite familiar to you, and I and everyone else on the Council, hope that you will grow more familiar with them and the working of the Council. The tenure of these new members is two years [2], so that gives us all time to develop a good relationship. And that relationship is really very important, as is knowing what the Council is about. The Community Council is your Council; its strength and relevance lie in the interest you take in it, and in the effort you put into it to make reflect your interests and to understand the interests of the community. Take a moment to look at the Council homepage [4] and constituting Charter [5] to see what we can and cannot do. Suggest items to the (open) agenda [3]. Contact your constituency representative about issues you find worth discussing. OpenOffice.org is a huge and varied community. But it has mission and a governing Council that gives that community voice. But only if you speak. Cheers, Louis Community Manager -- [0] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council_Minutes_20070918#2009-11-26 [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Items/Election_Process_Proposal [2] http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html#CouncilMembers [3] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council#Meetings [4] http://council.openoffice.org/ [5] http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] [Fwd: [marcon] OOo representative required in Chile - Spring 2010]
John, Have you received any replies? Louis On 2009-11-21, at 20:47 , John McCreesh wrote: Is there anyone from the Native Lang community interested in this? Thanks - John -- John McCreesh - Marketing Project Lead - OpenOffice.org Join the hundred million - http://why.openoffice.org Original Message Subject: [marcon] OOo representative required in Chile - Spring 2010 From:John McCreesh jp...@openoffice.org Date:Wed, October 28, 2009 8:59 pm To: mar...@marketing.openoffice.org -- I've had a request for an OOo representative to visit southern Chile next year for a period of 5-7 days between early March / early April 2010. The rep will be required to run workshops / conferences promoting FLOSS to small/medium sized businesses. He/she should have experience of deploying OOo in an environment of low user expertise, where (mostly pirated) MS-Office is the current desktop application. Ideally the rep will be Spanish speaking, although German or English speakers will be considered. All costs will be paid by the sponsoring organisation (including air fares and accommodation). Any volunteers / suggestions for a suitable rep? Thanks - John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Gnome.Asia 2009
Next week, I shall be presenting (keynoting) on OpenOffice.org at Gnome.Asia 2009 in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon). (See http://2009.gnome.asia/) The summit runs from 20-22 November and promises to be both interesting and large. The OOo community (Vietnamese) as well as others interested in the suite, such as government and business representatives, are slated to be there. A focus--major focus--is the free desktop, a topic that Stormy Peters of Gnome and I have discussed in a different context. It's an important topic, and though everyone is tired of saying, This is the year of X, still, informing would-be users (esp. public and private enterprise users) of the existence of real alternatives that provide both the functionality they want as well as develop sustainable ecosystems, is of critical importance. The regional (and global, I hope) emergence from the economic crisis has, I hope, given us all the vantage of a new perspective. Or maybe we'll just repeat the same mistakes. But let's work to make sure we don't. One of my interests in going to Vietnam is to help firm up the community there and see about making it sustainable, so that it does more than localization. We need developers of all levels, and localizers, though important, cannot make a regional community self-sustaining. I'll thus be investigating the nature of the existing ecosystem (support, services, etc.) there, education options (to train users as well as contributors) and the good-will interest of the government and others embarked in moving to free software and OOo in particular. Any help and information the OOo community reading this can provide would be appreciated! Thanks Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Gnome.Asia 2009
Hi, On 2009-11-15, at 17:16 , Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts louis.suarez-po...@sun.com wrote: Hi Louis, do you have a strategy on getting new developers on the project and can we know more about that? There is no secret and it depends on the context, as I thought I had indicated in the post. But, basically, it comes down to determining how interested and engaged the region is (esp. those with resources) and if there exits the apparatus (institutional, infrastructural, etc.). And, you'll note I wrote, contributors, too, meaning that I hold little hope for developers but a lot for contributors even beyond localizers. Again, context says a lot. And context here implies resources as well as interest. Best successes are so far in China, where Redflag contributes, or IBM's contributions, and even Novell's early on. interest means here market interest. That said, there are always independents and students and the like, and I try to appeal to them as much as possible, too, but they need resources (money) just like the rest of us. -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Espantilde;ol IM: j...@jabber.org -louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Gnome.Asia 2009
Hi I shall be going, as I've mentioned to Gnome.Asia 2009, where I'll be keynoting. I'll also be helping the local community, and part of that help will include bringing, or at any rate trying to, material (funds) to get/make collateral for the summit that takes place 20-22 November. The time is short. But if we can (you can?) generate or simply reproduce marketing collateral, such as images that could be put on t-shirts or other portable objects, like stickers, cards, or giveaways for prizes, that would help immensely! Thanks Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Re: [l10n-tools] Sinhala version of the OO.org build
Hi, On 2009-11-11, at 11:29 , Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Danishka, --snip-- Le Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:47:35 +0530, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com a écrit : Thanks! I would like to start/resume the Sinhala oo.org native lang project. What do you need? You are already the project lead of the si.openoffice.org yes, I am taking care of si.openoffice.org and the Sinhala translation. confused about following pages http://l10n.openoffice.org/languages.html http://projects.openoffice.org/native-lang.html I see. For the l10n page Rafaella, who is in copy, will help you insert the Sinhala entry in the list. For the NLC listing, Louis will change the enty and add your name. Indeed. Best, Charles. best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] [council-discuss] Final draft of Vote 2009 November
All, By now you have met the candidates [0] and it is time to start voting. The Election Process [1] instructs us to allot two weeks for voting. That period will begin now and end 16 November 2009. We will be sending out the URL to voters where one will go to cast your votes very shortly, along with further instructions. We detail this in the Election Process and in the Council Charter [2], but it is worth going over here. We are voting here for ** One Code Contributor Representative. • Those who are in the Code Contributor Representative's constituency can vote. That includes all active code contributors - people who constantly contribute code to the project under the general rules of the project, as defined by following criteria: • contributor is a domain developer • contributor has commit access to the OpenOffice.org code repository • contributing code with the established child workspace processes • contributing under the accepted term and conditions of the project (SCA, formerly known as JCA or CA). • contributor constantly takes over ownership of child workspaces (took ownership of at least one CWS within the last 6 months). ** One Native Language Confederation (NLC, Lang) Representative. Those eligible include category leads, project leads and co-leads from native-lang projects, plus project lead and co-leads of l10n project. ** One Product Development Representative. Those eligible include category leads, project leads and co-leads of all OpenOffice.org projects (Accepted and Incubator) but not from the Native-Lang category or l10n project. We have compiled a list of those who are eligible to vote and we will invite the members of the constituencies by direct mail which explains how and where to vote. If you run into problems feel free to contact the commissary and observers. Commissary: Louis Suarez-Potts Observers: Drew Jensen, Mechtilde Stehmann, Stefan Taxhet Ciao, - Louis (on behalf of the OpenOffice.org Community Council) -- Louis Suarez-Potts Community Manager, Sun Microsystems, Inc. OpenOffice.org ** URLs: [0] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Items/Candidates_October_2009 [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Items/Election_Process [2] http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@council.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@council.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Gnome.Asia Summit
Hi I've been invited to present at the Gnome.Asia Summit (http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2009 ) later next month, 20-22 November. As many of you know, OOo has a strong team in Vietnam (and elsewhere) primarily localizing the application. The government, schools, universities, are also taking up our favourite program. I would be participating in part to further the local community goals and further knit our relationship to it, and to its primary users. Support, training--these sort of necessary services offered by Sun as well as other companies--need to be further established by local companies working in Vietnamese, and I would hope my participation would serve to arrange the development of them. As well, I'd also be-- I guess this is primary for me--interested in working with students, companies, and other major sponsors and users (e.g., the gov't.) to see if they can (or how they can) promote the development of OOo in Vietnam. My argument is the same: Open source projects are communities and need participation to exist. I'd like, finally, to learn the status of the Vietnamese team's work on the localization and related efforts. As well, any other advice or information I should have prior to going, should I go. Thanks! Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Community Council/Items/Candidates October 2009 - OpenOffice.org Wiki
All, The nominees for this election cycle have been determined. They are Jürgen Schmidt, Charles-H. Schulz, Alexander Colorado, and Christoph Noack. You know them all already, so, with the candidates agreement, we have shortened the introductory period and hope to start voting later this week, perhaps by Thursday. I will send the necessary information for voting later on. I have posted a wiki page that links to the candidates' brief wiki bio (I didn't see Christoph's) and also their acceptance note.[0] As well, the candidates have already been doing the necessary job of informing you, the OpenOffice.org Community, about themselves and why they want to join the Council. Feel free to ask them questions related to their goal. The candidates and the seats for which they are standing for election are described in the wiki. As well, the Election Process [1] is useful to go over, and the Council main page, which describes the CC and is current lineup, may help with understanding what we do and do not do.[2] Cheers, Louis [0] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Items/Candidates_October_2009 [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Items/Election_Process_Proposal [2] http://council.openoffice.org/#council -- Louis Suarez-Potts Community Manager OpenOffice.org
[native-lang] Call for Nominations for Community Council Election
of the process a little, but which part has not been determined yet. If we cannot shorten the process and still keep everything satisfactory, then we won't. * Note: We have yet to identify our observers but for the purposes of this election, I shall serve as commissary. This announcement will be posted to the relevant public lists, as detailed in the Election Process wiki: d...@openoffice.org, d...@native_lang.openoffice.org, disc...@openoffice.org as well as d...@l10n.openoffice.organd project_le...@openoffice.org. Regards, Louis [0] http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/guidelines.html [1] http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html#PowersoftheCouncil [2] http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html#CouncilMembers [3] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Items/Election_Process_Proposal -- Louis Suarez-Potts, PhD Community Manager, Sun Microsystems, Inc. OpenOffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] OOoCon Italian press contacts?
Hi, Thanks Liz. Note, this would be journalists who would speak with general community members about OOo and ODF. louis - On 2009-10-13, at 17:33 , Elizabeth Matthis wrote: Hello Everyone, I just saw that Louis is looking for help getting journalists to contact regarding the OOoCon. Can anyone from the NL project help him? Please mail him or the list noted below if you have any ideas or suggestions. Thank you! Liz He wrote: What I'd like to do is--if it is not already initiated--start with basic PR on the list (p...@marketing). But also really reach out / contact specific journalists. But I need help doing that. I don't know the Italian scene very well, at least as far as journalists in the relevant press industry go. But (and enough of buts; time for some ifs) we do need to get this going--SOON. If not, we will be squandering a really wonderful opportunity. (from ooocon2009_disc...@marketing.openoffice.org mailing list) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] In: Mexico
I'll be in Mexico (land of birth, family, tortillas and so much more, most of it even legal) from 14 to 20 October. Naturally, I'll be reachable via IM, email, and the phone. Oh, and I'm open to meeting people related to Foss there. -louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Open World Forum
Next week, for the days of 1 and 2 October, the city of Paris will be the site of the 2009 Open World Forum [0]. Along with, I hope and expect, a great number from the OpenOffice.org francophone community, including Sophie Gautier, Charles Schulz, and others, I shall be there advancing our cause. As well, I'll be giving a couple of presentations both days, on subjects ranging from the general (Foss, Clouds, the desktop, etc.) to more specific and related to working with and on OOo. The conference promises to be large, intense, important. The Community Council has also made our presence there that much more possible, and I thank them for it. But I should hope that this event, like others before it and like others to come, is a threshold to other work. OOo has reached, as we always seem to, yet another milestone: of popularity, of acceptance, of use, of speculation. The desktop itself is evolving--we all know that--and the future direction it may take, for enterprises as well as for consumers, is one that we, OOo, are shaping. No other application provides the productivity tools using widely accepted open standards as OpenOffice.org. Any device, mobile or not, to be actually something more than an ultimately unsatisfactory toy, needs the kind of productivity tools only OpenOffice.org can provide. best Louis [0] www.openworldforum.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Key approval
Sorry for delay. If I don't act on this (or other things) ping me directly. Best Louis On 2009-07-31, at 10:10 , Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Dear Ali, Le Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Ali Yusuf callibaa...@yahoo.com a écrit : Dear Charles or Louis, How long does it take to approve the ssh key? I have filed an issued (about ten days ago) regarding my public key. Looking forward hearing from you. Cheers, Ali You submitted it there: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=103689 This step takes time and we are not the ones acting on it; but be patient you will be notified of the approval of your ssh key. Best, Charles. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] late for meeting
I shall be 15 minutes late for the next Regional Groups meeting; apologies. -louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Asian Regional Group meeting / RegiCon Asia?
Hi Was there an Asian Regional Group Meeting Thursday? And is there a status update on the plans for an Asian RegiCon this year? Thanks Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Regional Meeting Friday 2009-07-10 13:00 UTC
There is the Friday Regional Group meeting for tomorrow, 13:00 UTC. The Friday meeting, is on irc.freenode.net #oooregional If there is to be a Thursday meeting, please indicate here to inform others. BTW: To post comments you need to be registered with freenode. If you wish to have your agenda item, send it in now. Otherwise, the basics: * status * review of activities best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Home - Software Freedom Day Wiki
OpenOffice.org has always celebrated Software Freedom Day (SFD). And this year should prove no exception. I would like to see about posting links and icons related to it on the public pages, to announce to the world the importance we attribute to software freedom. As well, we can use that SFD to bring in more people to the broad community that constitutes OpenOffice.org. So let's get going! Cheers Louis http://softwarefreedomday.org/
[native-lang] project leads list
Dear All, I've recently created a lot of new projects and neglected to add all the new leads and co-leads of these to the dedicated project_leads list, which is used, among other things, to notify project leads and by extension their communities, of Project-wide events, issues, news. If I have not added you (and you are a lead or co-lead) or if you don't know if I have and have not received news from project_leads @ openoffice.org, please let me know by issue or privately and I'll add you. best Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Regional Group meeting(s)
I will be likely late for this, by about 1/2 hour, and if someone else wants to initiate the meeting, please do so. Sorry for late notice, Louis On 2009-06-11, at 08:28 , Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: There is the Friday Regional Group meeting for tomorrow, 13:00 UTC. There may be another tonight, Thursday. The Friday meetin, is on irc.freenode.net #oooregional If there is to be a Thursday meeting, please indicate here to inform others. BTW: To post comments you need to be registered with freenode. If you wish to have your agenda item, send it in now. Otherwise, the basics: * status * review of activities best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Log of 4th Regional Group Meeting 2009-06-12
Herewith the log of the meeting; thanks to Khirano. -- quote/ Mr_Dust hello, all. Mr_Dust hello khirano. khirano hi JiHui Choi san Mr_Dust you know, louis will be late. =-= Mr_Dust is now known as Jihui =-= Jihui is now known as Jihui_Choi khirano Yes, I have read his mail to the list Jihui_Choi So I think you must be the host. :) Jihui_Choi khirano: I heard louis is going to visit to Japan in Jun 23, isn't he? khirano Yes, he is. Jihui_Choi Great. I really want to join with you, even if I can't do anything. Jihui_Choi But I think I may not be able to. --| santhosh (n=santh...@117.193.193.234) has joined #oooregional Jihui_Choi Japan is not far. so if I could go, it'll be nice. santhosh Hi all :) Jihui_Choi hi, santhosh Jihui_Choi I'm from korea. santhosh, where are you from? santhosh Jihui_Choi: I am from India Jihui_Choi Oh, India. Jihui_Choi It's a great place with fully spirits. :) I'm sorry in fact I don't know much about India. --| atjensen (n=drewj...@207-255-205-121-dhcp.cbe.md.atlanticbb.net) has joined #oooregional Jihui_Choi hi, atjensen atjensen Howdy Jihui_Choi :) atjensen Looks like I was late again and missed everything Jihui_Choi atjensen: yeah. you're late, but you didn't miss anything. ;) Jihui_Choi we just come in here. and we're just saying hello. atjensen I see.. santhosh hi atjensen atjensen Hello santhosh atjensen I saw on the mailing list that Louis said he may be late today...guess folks are just waiting for him to get started Jihui_Choi I read, too. :) atjensen Does anyone know if Alexandro (et al) managed to get a Thursday meeting started? Jihui_Choi well.. I have no idea. sorry. atjensen I suppose that given noone seems to be talking about what happened at these meetings on the mailing lists that they never marterialized. atjensen Just wondering if I am the only one thinking this is not exactly the best use of everyones time? Jihui_Choi atjensen: humm. This is good time for people of only some region. Jihui_Choi But we can't seperate thie meeting. santhosh atjensen: well, I think we need not sit silent, let us have some discussion... :) atjensen oh, no I did not mean the time of day or that we 'separate' - I was just thinking that if there was some type of agenda then 'the folks here' could start things off and not just be atjensen congrgated waiting santhosh Jihui_Choi, atjensen: We have a special requirement in migration of documents from prop. format to open format.. atjensen yes - the transcript is available to all, even the late ones santhosh a batch conversion along with the encoding conversion.. Jihui_Choi So IMHO it's better to change the time. I can't explain exactly. one meeting will be held on 13:00 UTC for asia, ans next meeting will be help on 1:00 UTC for Europe santhosh Do you have any experience in this? Any such utilities existing ? atjensen Santhosh - I don't really, but I do know that there are batch cnversion utlitlites discussed from time to time in the forums and mailing lists.. Jihui_Choi what is a batch conversion utility? santhosh Jihui_Choi: it is like converting a set of .doc format to ODF without manual intervension Jihui_Choi ah.. I see. santhosh atjensen: thanks, I got some links when I searched atjensen If I may ask a question of the folks here. atjensen Your involvement with this Regional Group idea - are most of you looking to organize a large geographical area? Is anyone looking at a very small area ( 3 Million people lets say) Jihui_Choi atjensen: in last time, I asked about that. The answer is no one care about it. santhosh atjensen: Even though I am from Indic group, effectively we have smaller groups... santhosh we have a number of languages spanning across the states in India here Jihui_Choi The region means not land, not nation, not language, but what you want to define.. atjensen Also - are any of you thinking about trying to build something akin to a 'channel partner' network within your area. Here I man something like 'solution providers' would be regarded by corporate vendors atjensen Jihui_choi - yes I got that from the last meeting...but my guess is that 'individually' we have a more concrete definition in mind Jihui_Choi atjensen: I agree. but Is it need to distinguish? Jihui_Choi I work for ubuntu community. we have a lot of loco teams. atjensen actually you may be right, there may be no need to do so ain I'm looking for small region ain about 5 millions Jihui_Choi and in each loco tean has a contact. contact is a persion who stands for the locoteam, and deliever infomations. ain (forgot to say Hi!) Jihui_Choi I am a contact of korean team. Jihui_Choi It's a good system. but I don't think we need it. :) atjensen Jihui - do you mean we don't need 'the locotem contact' or the idea of 'solution providers'? atjensen Let me come at this another way. Jihui_Choi atjensen: well.. if you feel it's need, you can get it, but I mean every region group doesn't need to have Jihui_Choi we already have a leader of each local
[native-lang] Regional Group meeting(s)
There is the Friday Regional Group meeting for tomorrow, 13:00 UTC. There may be another tonight, Thursday. The Friday meetin, is on irc.freenode.net #oooregional If there is to be a Thursday meeting, please indicate here to inform others. BTW: To post comments you need to be registered with freenode. If you wish to have your agenda item, send it in now. Otherwise, the basics: * status * review of activities best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] 3rd (or 4th?) Regional Meeting Friday 29 May 2009
On 2009-05-30, at 04:18 , Charles-H. Schulz wrote: I may have misunderstood but it should also be noted that AFAICT RG groups wiki should also belong to the NLC category, or am I being mistaken? I think mistaken, as a lot of the regions will occupy more than one linguistic territory and to depend the RGs to the NLCs will end up confusing matters. I'd rather then initiate a new sector, Regional Groups which may be freely linked to or even on occasion duplicate the NLC extant efforts. I've grown less fearful of duplication--humans like inventing and then reinventing the wheel and that's the way it is--but do want to limit confusion. Let's say I'm looking for an RG based in Delhi. The region is fairly local--a small city, Delhi boasts only 12M, a lentil compared to Mexico City's bean :-) --and nearly as many languages as there are gods: lots. I could find this RG easily enough by looking for Delhi under India but may not so easily if I look, say, under Hindi, etc. But I'm not too deaf to reason. If you or anyone else, like Cornell, come up with a better ontology, I'm all ears. My forte is not informatics ontology, but it is, I am sure, someone else's. Best Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Reminder
Asmelah, Welcome! I just created the project and so you need now to add some interesting content to it :-) Sorry about the delay--I urge you and others to poke me if I don't respond immediately. Cheers, Louis On 2009-05-26, at 05:06 , Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Dear Asmelash; I still need your username in order to file that allows for the creation of the Amharic project. Thank you, Charles. Le Thu, 21 May 2009 19:06:46 +0300, Asmelash Teka asmelas...@gmail.com a écrit : Dear Charles, The localisation group at MIT (Mekelle Institute of Technology) has been waiting for the creation of Amharic native language project from the time we requested until now. It turned out that, there has been no activity, not even a response, about it. By the way, we are glad to tell you that our group has been working tirelessly and has finished localising OOo to Amharic. We are looking for ways to make it readily available to the rest of the world, so that interested individuals can download and use it and other developers can work to perfect it. I don't think there is any better option for this purpose than creating a native language project for Amharic in OpenOffice.org. Considering these efforts, I'd like to request your positive action soon. Thank you!! peace, asmelash On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles-h.sch...@laposte.net wrote: Daniel, Le Mon, 04 May 2009 07:47:16 -0500, Daniel Yacob loca...@geez.org a écrit : Greetings Charles, I would be happy to see Asmelash or a permanent staff member participating in the L10N group of Mekele Institute of Technology take over as contact for Amharic. My own activity level is very low now and confined presently to dictionary development and spell checking areas, otherwise assisting others as I can. On another note, this email address has become unusable due to spam (even with filters) and I rarely check it. I have been unable to change my OOo account email contact through the My Pages My Profile page, is there somewhere else to make this change? Hmm: did you replace your existing email address in the appropriate field? Perhaps you also need to confirm your existing password... Let me know, Charles. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Next Regional Group Meeting 29 May 13:00 UTC
Reminder 29 May is this Friday. -louis On 2009-05-18, at 24:21 , Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: The next regional group meeting will be held Friday 29 May at 13:00 UTC via IRC at irc.freenode.net #oooregional To post comments you need to be registered with freenode. See you there! Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Next Regional Group Meeting 29 May 13:00 UTC
hi, On 2009-05-18, at 01:56 , Peter Junge wrote: Louis, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: The next regional group meeting will be held Friday 29 May at 13:00 UTC via IRC at irc.freenode.net #oooregional thanks for sending this invitation much earlier this time. I still have an issue about the scheduling. This is a of course a meeting supposed to span over several time zones, in China it will be 9pm, 10pm in Japan, 11pm in Australia and even Saturday 1am in New Zealand. Friday night is the night that many people use to enjoy themselves after a hard weeks work, going to bars and restaurants, meeting with family and friends. A lot of others, who live and work apart from their families during the week, are on the road to travel home. Hence, I think it's tough for those in the APAC timezones to attend a bi-weekly meeting on Friday night. Oh. I guess I never thought of that :-) (for me, enjoying myself with friends is, uhm, being at the computer on IRC or IM). Would Thursday (or some other day earlier in the week) be better for you and others in the region? [...] Best regards, Peter Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Next Regional Group Meeting 29 May 13:00 UTC
The next regional group meeting will be held Friday 29 May at 13:00 UTC via IRC at irc.freenode.net #oooregional To post comments you need to be registered with freenode. See you there! Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Regional Groups: Meeting 2 13:00 UTC Friday 15 May
Hi, On 2009-05-15, at 21:08 , JiHui Choi wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hi - was wondering who was there for North America? Attended: Louis from Canada, rbircher from Switzerland, Alexando from Mexico, chs, Jihui Choi from Korea(CJK region gourp) I lost my log. Is anyone who has the log? Sigh. I had posted it to this list but of course, as it was in zip format, it was scrubbed. Doing so again, in .odt. BTW, totally OT, but was doing a search on Google and guess what: Up came, not far down the list, a link to an OpenOffice.org template! ;-) Nice. -- Regards, JiHui Choi - ciao louis #oooregional_20090515.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Finland and Belgium
Thanks! Fwiw, the Canadian city of Vancouver (lovely spot, just perfect for an Olympics) opted for Foss, too, tho not clear if OOo is the chosen thing. See, http://www.straight.com/article-220944/city-vancouver-set-back-open-source-open-standards-open-data I'm trying to follow up with the council and mayor for more information and to guide. I'm also seeing if this step by V. will help in my quixotic (?) efforts to get Toronto and other Canadian cities to migrate over. Québec, too. -ciao louis On 2009-05-15, at 18:37 , Leo Moons wrote: Hello everybody, City of Anderlecht: In Anderlecht, on 23rd April the local citycouncil received an update of the migration of all 600 desktops from MS Office to OpenOffice.org. The minutes of council are not yet online, but we understand that the migration has been successful and that the city will safe 250.000 EUR. As early as Feb 2006, every new computer was equipped with OOo together with MSO. Problem was that nobody was using OOo, as everybody was used to MSO. At the end of 2007, some key-users were asked to start using OOo on a voluntary basis. At the same time, the CIBG (Centre for Informatics of the Brussels Capital Region - Anderlecht belonging to this region) made a study what the impact would be on a total migration. In Summer 2008, the city council decided to go for a total migration. Basically, training consisted of comparing MSO with OOo, so it was clear that differences were not that big. 91% of users were following the training. Further support was/will be given by key- users and CIBG. Templates were developed for easy use. Documents can be received in various formats, are saved in ODF, are transmitted internally in ODF, externally in PDF, and if transmitted externally and to be returned the format will be in MSO. Very soon all computers will be upgraded to OOo 3.x City of Charleroi: About 1 year ago, the city of Charleroi decided to start the migration of their 1600 desktops to OOo. Actually 300 PC's have been migrated and 400 people have been trained. The opportunity was taken to give a wider IT-training as a lot of employees never had a proper training. Although Charleroi is not belonging to the Brussels Capital Region, CIBG gave them full support City of Vorst: The IT department has closely followed the developments in Anderlecht and will soon develop their own roadmap towards OOo. Also here CIBG will probably be a partner as Vorst is situated in the Brussels Capital Region. Best regards Leo Moons nl.OpenOffice.org OooAuthors/nl - Belgium Nous sommes condamnés à être libres Louis Suarez-Potts schreef: Hi, It was with pleasure that I read today's latest headlines from OSORhttp://www.osor.eu/ Especially as it related to Finlandhttp://www.osor.eu/news/fi-finance-ministry-updates-its-tailored-version-of-openoffice and also Belgium: http://www.osor.eu/news/be-anderlecht-charleroi-and-vorst-move-to-openoffice Can someone perhaps shed more light on these actions? Thanks louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Finland and Belgium
Hi, It was with pleasure that I read today's latest headlines from OSORhttp://www.osor.eu/ Especially as it related to Finlandhttp://www.osor.eu/news/fi-finance-ministry-updates-its-tailored-version-of-openoffice and also Belgium: http://www.osor.eu/news/be-anderlecht-charleroi-and-vorst-move-to-openoffice Can someone perhaps shed more light on these actions? Thanks louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Regional Groups: Meeting 2 13:00 UTC Friday 15 May
Hi all, The second meeting on Regional Groups will be held later today, 13:00 UTC Friday, 15 May. As before, the meeting will be at irc.freenode.net, #oooregional To find your time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=5day=15year=2009p1=0p2=37p3=248p4=771 Issues, notes from last meeting: The key points: * have frequent small, local meetings over beer, local food: to meet and greet and get to know people * have larger, more important meetings, eg, Regional OOoCons, less often, and arrange them so that travel is not a fatal encumbrance * set up an NGO when it makes sense but attend to the problems all face of having to manage the funds and do the actual work. Hint: it's not trivial. We have (not I; others far better) set up a wiki for regional groups that I hope becomes a repository of wisdom, as well as, eventually, a means to track events, groups, people. Our goal is, after all, to make it easy to have fun with the OOo community :-) The wiki is at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Regional_Groups At some point, it may make sense to set up a dedicated mail list and project, but for now, let's see if this one works. I am loathe to create new lists that seem useful but end up in fact fragmenting community. Better to have some noise than the clean sounds of silence. Best Louis PS thanks to Raphael for reminding me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Initial Regional Groups Meeting 2009-05-01
Today, on short notice, several of us held a brief (~1 hour) meeting on regional groups. These groups dedicated to promoting OOo without bounded by language or specific marketing claims. The idea is to do things that are effective, to collect donations that enable them, and to build community where people are. The attendees included: Khirano Louis André S. Sophie Claudio Filho Olivier Hallot Raphael Bircher There was no particularly compelling reason to limit this first meeting to those above; it just happened that way. I did want to include Andre, Sophie, Claudio and Olivier and Raphael, as well as Khirano, b/c of their experiences. My interest was to start things generally by finding out what works. We can formalize more meetings later, and invite more. Indeed, I hope that is what happens. It was my terrible oversight that I neglected to include Charles in this meeting--I thought I had--but I hope that subsequent meetings will more than compensate :-) I'm posting the log of the meeting. The next one is in two weeks, same time, 13:00 UTC. The key points: * have frequent small, local meetings over beer, local food: to meet and greet and get to know people * have larger, more important meetings, eg, Regional OOoCons, less often, and arrange them so that travel is not a fatal encumbrance * set up an NGO when it makes sense but attend to the problems all face of having to manage the funds and do the actual work. Hint: it's not trivial. We have (not I; others far better) set up a wiki for regional groups that I hope becomes a repository of wisdom, as well as, eventually, a means to track events, groups, people. Our goal is, after all, to make it easy to have fun with the OOo community :-) The wiki is at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Regional_Groups At some point, it may make sense to set up a dedicated mail list and project, but for now, let's see if this one works. I am loathe to create new lists that seem useful but end up in fact fragmenting community. Better to have some noise than the clean sounds of silence. Cheers Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] happy new year!
Hi All, It's a new year!-- at least to those happily following the Gregorian calendar-- and last year, for all its amazing and revelatory awfulness--is over. This year seems full of hope: politically, technologically, socially. It's not just about change; it's about realizing our vision and getting things done. I am not alone in thinking this, and that alone gives me hope. So join me in greeting the new year with arms linked and eyes to the future! Cheers, Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Re: BrOffice.org: Video Conference arrangements
Hello All (including the [EMAIL PROTECTED] lang groups): Yesterday saw BrOffice's 3rd magnificent cross-country, cross- continent, cross-city event. [0] Enormously ambitious, the event stitched together cities and people scattered across tens of thousands of kilometres to present on OpenOffice.org, its technology and place in history. My own small part had came late in the day and I presented on OOo's importance as heralding a new (and better) way of doing things in this age of economic disorientation and terrifying uncertainty. My thanks to Claudio, Olivier, the BrOffice community, and to the technological geniuses who were able to organize the event! I am actually in Copenhagen, for Open Source Days [1] (but one reason though not the only--geography is the main one--I was not at the NLC event yesterday), and presented via remote hookup. As I adumbrated, I touched on OOo's place in Foss and asserted that OOo uniquely occupies a place on the desktop and in the future that is enabling a better kind of relation not just to their work, which they can own now, but to the tools that make that work possible. The simplest way of thinking of it is that OOo forever changes the static identities of consumer and producer. This is nothing new--all of Foss can claim that. But most Foss is hidden and not on the desktop or seen only as a geek sort of think. Not so OOo, and as the event yesterday in Brazil showed, *especially* not so OpenOffice.org! Gustavo Pacheco has updated our Deployments page with current OOo deployments he knows about in Brazil. [2] Check it out, and add those that you know about. We use this page a lot, as it gives other public and private enterprises a context for their own adoption of OpenOffice.org. -louis [0] http://encontro.broffice.org/2008/en/node/2 [1] http://www.opensourcedays.org/2008/ [2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Question about OpenOffice.org in primary schools
Lief, As I wrote today--and I'll probably see you later on--there was an event in Brazil and Portugal yesterday in which it was mentioned that millions of schoolchildren are getting OOo on Linux boxen. The governments of Brazil, Portugal and also Venezuela are rolling out these boxes, which are inexpensive Intel devices, by the millions; they are made in Portugal. Then there is Spain, and not just Extremadura, which has deployed OOo throughout, but especially to schools. And, outside of Latin America, there is South Africa, which is also moving hugely to OOo (like, all) and Malaysia, Vietnam, and sections of Brussels. Indeed, there is a huge movement throughout the world to use OpenOffice.org. 3.0 has made a big difference but these decisions were made prior to the Betas and RCs. Rather the decision has to do with the fact that governments rightly recognize that in order to introduce students to the modern, 21st century world of knowledge technology and commerce, they need something that is not encumbered by cost, license, monopoly but which is free and freeing. ciao louis See our Major Deployments Page: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments On 2008-10-01, at 19:16 , Leif Lodahl wrote: Based on a question from one of the large Danish Municipals, I would like to ask you how OpenOffice.org is used in primary schools in your region. The question comes after an article in the Danish computer magazine Computerworld.dk today: http://www.computerworld.dk/art/48201 with the header: Swedish municipals moves to OpenOffice (...in schools) Here is an english translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerworld.dk%2Fart%2F48201hl=daie=UTF-8sl=datl=en 1) To what extent do the public schools use OpenOffice.org? 2) Is OpenOffice.org the only office suite or can the teachers and pupils make a choice? 3) Is the use of OpenOffice.org based on some kind of collaboration between the municipals or is the decision made individually? In case OpenOffice.org is *not* used, is this caused by aggressive marketing and price dumping from Microsoft ? In Denmark, I can tell you, the interest is increasing enormously these days. I'm in contact with almost all the Danish municipals about OpenOffice.org (and other F/OSS applications) in primary schools. -- Med venlig hilsen - best regards, Leif Lodahl Native-Language coordinator DA.OpenOffice.org Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://lodahl.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] Open Source Days
Today, 4 October, was the last day of Copenhagen's Open Source Days event.[0] It was pretty impressive, and I saw only a fraction of the two-day event--my real loss. The venue was Copenhagen's newest university, the IT-University [1], and the hall where the booths were was spectacular, at once airy and friendly. I was unfortunately unable to attend other presentations--this is usually my curse--and so missed the lead of Sweden's Open Source group, Björn Lundell's on Foss in government, along with a lot of other ones. Again, my loss. My thanks to Peter Toft and the organizers for enabling my stay in Copenhagen and presentation. They did a fantastic job and I am not the only one who thinks so. I was told that just today there were 1200 or so attendees. Wow. My own presentation, to a packed room, departed from any product announcement, though of course, I couldn't help myself a little: OOo 3.0 is, after all, coming out next week, or so we are told. Instead, however, I focused on the critical importance formats play, in particular, that most disruptive of formats, the OpenDocument format, or ODF. My argument is simple but needs telling. It's that the issue is not about applications per se but ultimately about formats. OpenOffice.org is the best implementation of the ODF, to be sure, but the point of an open standard format is that it enables any sort of and any number of applications to, in effect, work together: a network linked by the way they express data. (Chinese encompasses numerous mutually incomprehensible languages, not just dialects, but the ideograms, the way of writing, is the same, regardless of the way one actually pronounces things. I guess an equivalent could be the ODF: a variety of applications, each with a differing UI, technology, whatever, but essentially linked and compatible, nationalized, by their common mode of expression: the ODF.) Since Microsoft lost the battle against ODF--actually since a little before then, since it saw the writing on the wall--it's been arguing that it's not the format that matters, it's the application. And, of course, that means that MSFT will often win the battle, as it is not really presenting this argument to new users, naive users, those who have never used an office suite, but to those who have already bought or otherwise obtained MS Office. They either hate or like MS Office and are probably, regardless of their feelings, simply used to it and loath to change, especially if they believe, as the FUD has presented, that open source applications are uniformly bad, difficult to use, behind the time, inadequate, unsupported. They are not--just look to Firefox or OOo, both of which are superior in every way--but that's the FUD, and it's difficult to argue against a lie; one has to be persistent. The presentation went over well; the issue however, needs repetition: it's not just about the application. That's important, to be sure, but not the whole story. It's about the format, in the end, for that gives users and developers access to a universe of possibility. -louis PS BTW, one interesting question asked at the event was, What happens to the relevance of open standard and open source in a world of successful and omnipresent web services, web apps, and SaaS? My answer: the Affero license was designed to address the Foss issue. I'd suggest that an open standard obligation be required, as well: that all data must have an open standard referent, as a kind of insurance against data loss. For there are two key points of vulnerability here: loss of creative power and loss of data. Consider this a kind of archive anxiety. And the lesson: loss of power, loss of data, loss of identity is easy. Much harder to keep it alive and keep it ours. [0] http://www.opensourcedays.org/ [1] http://www1.itu.dk/sw5211.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Native-Lang Confederation meeting in preparation of OOoCon 2008
On 2008-07-29, at 18:46 , Andrea Pescetti wrote: (Please reply to dev@native-lang.openoffice.org if possible). The PLIO Association (Italian OpenOffice.org Native-Lang Project) is pleased to invite everyone involved in the Native-Lang Confederation to join the meeting that will be held in Bolzano/Bozen (Italy) on October 3rd, 2008. Much to my disgust and disappointment, I cannot make this, after all. ARGH. I did try rather hard but Bolzano is not exactly in the middle of a big busy airport; it's in the middle of strikingly beautiful Alps. My apologies to the community. But let's see if we can possibly arrange a video call or something like that Regrets, louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] FOSS.IN/2008
Foss.In is an important event. it's especially important for OOo, whose Indian community is in need of concretion and space for members to demonstrate their work. It's also a place--very important!!--for all to meet each other. This year, I would hope that the Indian NLC groups, participate. Groups can present on localization efforts but also on extensions, core code development, and so on. For whatever we do, let's coordinate early! Foss.in strives this year, as it did last year, to appeal to developers based in India doing community-focused work. If you are not already subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , now is the time! best, Louis http://foss.in/
Re: [native-lang] Native-Lang Confederation meeting in preparation of OOoCon 2008
On 2008-08-21, at 16:25 , sophie wrote: Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: Hi First, thanks, Davide and Andreas for the meeting and for arranging it... It's unfortunate that the date is in fact 3 October--it coincides, as Charles pointed out, with other events, and not just the BrOffice event, but also Open Source Days, in Copenhagen. As I'm already attending the Danish event, I cannot (alas) attend this one, too. And I'm, as they say in California, totally bummed. (That said, I'll try to see if I can bend time and space to accommodate my desires.) I don't want to seems hard, but for me a community meeting, organized by the community for the community and in the context of serving a better organization/communication/process in the NLC is something that has some priority. Alas, both are community events, Sophie, and both were initially proposed by community members. The Copenhagen event is hardly a Sun thing and is receiving no special attention by Sun. Actually, the primary reason for my strong interest in it has to do with the essentially fragmented nature of the Nordic communities, and my hope that by coordinating activity we can get more done there. (A similar situation exists in India, of course, and elsewhere.) But perhaps we can have a long distance discussion? Certainly, some of the issues we'll be discussing in Copenhagen are relevant. One of the goals--the primary goal, really--I have for that event, is to synthesize and focus Nordic OOo and ODF activity. I don't think the Nordic region is unique. It may be not unique, but I think that the localization process, the QA process, the marketing process, the documentation as Clayton ask about it is of concern and this is not all. Oh, I quite agree. We also have to discuss about the CC and the overall being of the community. The NLC is a strong part of the community and needs to share more than local focus point. This meeting is important because all of us would like to be in Beijing, not to be there but to meet each others, but several of us won't be able to attend. We are working hard for this community and we only have once a year to share our concerns, ambitions, visions for the community. This is for me the first objective to be respected, and no other event would have the prime time. Hope you understand my meanings. I do: given a choice, I should make this meeting in Italy. I'll certainly try. Kind regards Sophie Ciao, Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] NLC Party at OOoCon
Hi, On 2008-08-05, at 08:55 , charles-h.schulz wrote: Hello, Message du 05/08/08 03:21 De : Peter Junge A : John McCreesh Copie à : dev@native-lang.openoffice.org Objet : Re: [native-lang] NLC Party at OOoCon John, John McCreesh wrote: The draft Programme for OOoCon which I am hoping to publish this week has a space reserved on Wednesday night for the traditional NLC party. Am I right to assume there will be a party this year ;-) in Barcelona, we had the NLC party on Tuesday night before the conference, please refer: http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2007/programme/tuesday.html From my point of view, Tuesday night should also be an ideal date for this year. On Wednesday night there will probably be a welcome dinner. I'm glad to see there will be a NLC party in Beijing. FWIW I will not be able to attend the OOoCon in Beijing this year. I guess Louis will thus be the Master of Ceremony :-) :-) I would be honoured, and also delighted, to share the stage with any enthusiastic colleague, too. Cheers, Charles-H. Schulz. best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Hello from the new project-lead for the Romanian NLC Project
Hello! On 2008-05-19, at 20:27 , Alexandru Szasz wrote: Hello, My name is Alexandru Szasz, I have been nominated for project-lead role in the Romanian NLC Project. I'm known for my efforts for localization in other open source projects too, like Mozilla, Fedora and Gnome. A few months ago I've started an open source application targeted at translation communities, application that allows so far really easy online translation and project coordination. One next step will be adding a glossary and term debates. If you're curious about this, the application is called Narro, we're using an installation over at http://narro.18n.ro and if you're interested, follow the application blog for progress, http://narro-project.blogspot.com . I look forward to make the Romanian OpenOffice.org community bigger and most important, release the first OpenOffice.org in Romanian. -- Alexandru Szasz Congratulations and welcome Alexandru. I've added you to the list of names on the native-lang page and also added your ssh2 key. You are added now to the project_leads list, a general list used to inform project leads of community-wide issues. Project leads can thus relay the information to their communities. I look forward to meeting you in Romania, if I am so lucky, and will certainly try to keep informed of your activities: your blog is good! By the way, if any other project lead or co-lead is not subscribed to projects leads, please do let me know directly or by the route of issue tracker. Thanks Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] Our New Look
Tonight, we launched a new look. It is simpler and more effective-- easier to find things, including the download button, support, information and other material users and developers want--and it also looks good. The styling changes affect quite a few pages, and we would like to hear your critiques. Please send them the website team, at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . The effort was led by Maarten Brouwers, our lead designer, with a lot of brilliant CSS styling and design by Ivan Miskovic, crucial suggestions by Graham Lauder, and invaluable work, feedback, and insight by Christian Lohmaier (co-lead of website), Alexandro Colorado, André Wyrwa, Kay Schenk, and many others not mentioned here but no less important. Thanks to all. Best, Louis -- Louis Suarez-Potts Community Manager, Sun Microsystems, Inc. OpenOffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] Hello!
Neskie, I just created the Shs project: congratulations! let us know how we can further help But I'm also really interested in learning more about the effort, and more: to see if it's possible to link your effort up with other First Nations' work in this area. I've been doing intermittent work on this subject for the last year or so (probably longer) but little has come of it. However, I have made some contacts among a few in academia. But I've been unable to effectively reach out to involved groups. But let's do that. We are open to the idea of having a regional focus and to language groups, if that helps. Best, Louis PS I do live in Toronto, and am near relevant groups and centres, but I'm just one person :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Klingon (tlh) project
Hi, On 2008-03-19, at 17:21 , Kazunari Hirano wrote: Hi all, As some l10n people know, a small team has started Klingon translation of UI and Help at the Pootle. Now we need pages explaining what it is and calling for help, and some mailing lists to accept new contributors, coordinate the work and for communication among those project members. Can we set up tlh.openoffice.org? Uhm. I'd rather not, as there might actually be a legitimate locale using that pair. But is there? If not, then my argument is a lot weaker Thanks, khirano Ciao louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Re: OpenOffice Training Resources
Marcus, On 2008-03-03, at 13:56 , Marcus Silva wrote: Hi John, We in Brasil will make a oficial material so we could sell material to make oficial certificate. So we could have oficial teachers. We are thinking to be like MSCE, or Oracle certificated. It will be very nice so we have alot of teachers that are good but can?t prove. What do you think about? Can we have a International oficial training? OOo has been working on establishing training and support criteria, as I'm sure you've learned by now. The list for this is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and you should also coordinate with me, Sophie. We want to drive this and get it done. BTW, I'll be in Brazil for fisl; perhaps we should meet. best louis Marcus de Vasconcelos Diogo da Silva Instrutor Informática [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consultor Software LivreFone: +55 85 32153026 SENAI CETAFR - cearáCelular:+55 85 88777045 Prof. Multiplicador Senior Intel Educar SL SP http://www.broffice.org/blog/7040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] No caudaloso rio de nossas vidas nos dando as mãos navegaremos mais seguros, pois a força da amizade é o maior dos escudos contra as adversidades. (OHeremita) John McCreesh escreveu: Hi, thanks for getting in touch. We provide a directory of support services both community (free) and commercial at http://support.openoffice.org . There are also free resources on the net such as http://inpics.net. I'll also forward your email to some community mailing lists where people may be able to help (please reply directly to Vincent). Hope this helps - John -- John McCreesh Marketing Project Lead OpenOffice.org Vincent Elliott wrote: Hi John, We are a SME located in Kingston, Jamaica and are seriously evaluating OpenOffice with a view to either fully or partially replace MS Office in the very near future. The single recurring request from the current users is with respect to training. What training resources are available to us? It can be onsite, CD/DVD or web-based. All suggestions are welcome and you may forward my e-mail address to any potential providers of this service. Thanks in advance, Vincent Kim Elliott Information Communication Technology Manager H.D.Hopwood Company Limited 3 Carifta Avenue Kingston 11, Jamaica, West Indies Tel: (876) 923-8481 Fax: (876) 923-6351 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Re: OpenOffice Training Resources
On 2008-03-03, at 16:33 , Alexandro Colorado wrote: On a less heart-attached note, we are looking to deployed professional services online at OOoES. So far is still just a draft and we are still on discussions. We have review some technology to do this and will start some testing this month. Alexandro, are the discussions taking place on the cert list? I've not been following them. But do have more news... ciao louis On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:56:26 -0600, Marcus Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, We in Brasil will make a oficial material so we could sell material to make oficial certificate. So we could have oficial teachers. We are thinking to be like MSCE, or Oracle certificated. It will be very nice so we have alot of teachers that are good but can?t prove. What do you think about? Can we have a International oficial training? Marcus de Vasconcelos Diogo da Silva Instrutor Informática [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consultor Software LivreFone: +55 85 32153026 SENAI CETAFR - cearáCelular:+55 85 88777045 Prof. Multiplicador Senior Intel Educar SL SP http://www.broffice.org/blog/7040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] No caudaloso rio de nossas vidas nos dando as mãos navegaremos mais seguros, pois a força da amizade é o maior dos escudos contra as adversidades. (OHeremita) John McCreesh escreveu: Hi, thanks for getting in touch. We provide a directory of support services both community (free) and commercial at http://support.openoffice.org . There are also free resources on the net such as http:// inpics.net. I'll also forward your email to some community mailing lists where people may be able to help (please reply directly to Vincent). Hope this helps - John -- John McCreesh Marketing Project Lead OpenOffice.org Vincent Elliott wrote: Hi John, We are a SME located in Kingston, Jamaica and are seriously evaluating OpenOffice with a view to either fully or partially replace MS Office in the very near future. The single recurring request from the current users is with respect to training. What training resources are available to us? It can be onsite, CD/DVD or web-based. All suggestions are welcome and you may forward my e-mail address to any potential providers of this service. Thanks in advance, Vincent Kim Elliott Information Communication Technology Manager H.D.Hopwood Company Limited 3 Carifta Avenue Kingston 11, Jamaica, West Indies Tel: (876) 923-8481 Fax: (876) 923-6351 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] New License and Contributor Agreement
All, Some interesting news. Summary * The license for code is changing from the early LGPL v 2.1 to 3.0 effective the Beta of OpenOffice.org 3.0. (The actual date of this beta has not been finalized.) * The Joint Copyright Assignment form (JCA) is being replaced by the Sun Microsystems Inc. Contributor Agreement (SCA). This change is effective immediately with this announcement. Background == Late last year, there was a discussion about the implications of the ratification of GPLv3 or LGPLv3 for OpenOffice.org among the OpenOffice.org project leads. The leads were generally in favour of adopting the updated licenses. The outcome of this and other discussions is that Sun is changing the license for the OpenOffice.org codebase to the more flexible and protective LGPL v3 [0], effective with the beta of OpenOffice.org 3.0 which is due later this year. This change is supported by the OpenOffice.org Community Council. This move forward is the natural evolutionary step to take for a codebase using a license from the FSF license family. The drafting process for the license involved substantial FOSS community input and we will benefit from this work. In particular, the new license includes additional protections for the community against software patents. OpenOffice.org will continue using the LGPL so as to minimize the disruption to our community and expanding ecosystem, which evolved around the LGPL codebase. The LGPL grants flexibility to a broad range of users and developers, while still ensuring that modifications to the code are contributed back to the community. The new license is a major reason to exchange the Joint Copyright Assignment(JCA) with the Sun Contributor Agreement(SCA) [1]. For OpenOffice.org there will be an addendum, which accommodates developers of the core OOo codebase and of non-core extensions through different contribution models. It does not change the fact that contributions to the product packaged as OpenOffice.org require an SCA. The addendum enables OpenOffice.org to more easily host the source code of extensions, and thus promotes collaboration with other interested parties on the respective extension in a familiar environment. There is similar flexibility for documentation. The creation of the related contribution guidelines is in progress. A large number of GPL/LGPL projects have already moved to v3 [2]. For OpenOffice.org the next major release is the right time to change. Preparations will start immediately, so that we can publish OpenOffice.org 3.0 Beta under LGPLv3. The SCA, including the OpenOffice.org addendum, will be published on the OpenOffice.org site together with a FAQ and a pointer to the Sun SCA FAQ [3]. It comes into effect with this announcement. See also our FAQ on licensing. [4]. A copy of this announcement can be found at http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/newlicense2008.html . Regards, Louis Suarez-Potts Community Manager OpenOffice.org Sun Microsystems, Inc. [0] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/lgpl.html [1] http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/sca.pdf [2] http://gpl3.palamida.com:8080/index.jsp [3] http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/contributor_agreement.jsp [4] http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-licensing.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] OpenOffice.org Community Innovation Program
All, On 7 December 2007, Sun Microsystems Inc. announced [0] a new million- dollar fund to foster innovation in six of the open-source projects it sponsors and contributes to. We are pleased to report that OpenOffice.org was included. The contest, which we have titled the OpenOffice.org Community Innovation Program, commences tomorrow, 30 January, and we invite OpenOffice.org Community members to participate. What do you have to do to enter? To win a prize? Our rules, which will be posted later on today and linked to the OpenOffice.org homepage (www.openoffice.org ), explain these and many other details, and you must read them carefully. What are we looking for? In general terms, we are looking for superlative work that is useful to the Community; work that is challenging, that is non-trivial, and that furthers the Community as much as the software. You can enter alone or in a team; and if you are eligible, you could win a lot of money. But we explain all this in the rules, the link to which you will be able to find on the OpenOffice.org homepage. Note: The Program ends 23 June 2008 and begins 30 January 2008. For questions, send a note to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, The Members of the Program Committee Louis Suarez-Potts John McCreesh Pavel Janík Stefan Taxhet [0] http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/awards/index.jsp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] fosdem 2008 wiki
Hi all, Jesús Corrius created a wiki for our fosdem 2008 presence: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Marketing/FOSDEM_2008 I just put a link to it on the homepage but please inform your communities of its existence--and that we really want the Community to consider presenting at this event. Deadline is 27th of Jan. for you to submit proposals. Please spread the word Thanks Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Regional mentors/leads
On 2008-01-13, at 07:22 , Cor Nouws wrote: Hi all, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote (12-1-2008 21:29) On 2008-01-11, at 14:44 , André Schnabel wrote: You know, sometimes I do presentations about our poject's structures and hw you can join. So I just like to know, where all this would fits in. In the chapter 'growing community' ;-) I think this can be considered an experiment of sorts. I do think we [...] Thanks for all the info and thoughts about this. I always find it astonishing that people with time and energy stand up for tasks as this new one! Just to add one obvious point: the new regional lead(s) must be aware of the more or less experimental status and possibly Louis and Charles may have a fine task in mentoring (which according to my spell checker doesn't seem to be English). Good point. So far, I've only proposed Sankarshan M. of the Bengali project, and as he's subscribed to this list, and totally aware of the thought processes producing this, I'm sure he's onto how experimental this is :-) But yes, others who come aboard will also be informed of it. Absent further commentary by Thursday, I'll assume that as described, Charles and I can move ahead with this role, and will formally propose Sankarshan to fill it. Charles and I can then follow up with announcements, if Charles is willing. Best, Cor thanks louis -- Cor Nouws Arnhem - Netherlands nl.OpenOffice.org - marketing contact - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] Fwd: Last Chance to Submit a Proposal
I hope that all will consider submitting proposals Louis Begin forwarded message: From: O'Reilly Open Source Convention [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 14 Jan 2008 8:27:02 GMT-05:00 Subject: Last Chance to Submit a Proposal O'Reilly Open Source Convention - OSCON July 21-25, 2008 Oregon Convention Center Portland, OR http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon Last Chance To Be Heard at OSCON 2008! Submit Your Proposal by February 4. If you have something to contribute to the tenth annual O'Reilly Open Source Convention, July 21-25 in Portland, here's your chance. At the crossroads of all things open source, the 2008 convention promises a vibrant meeting ground for the entire community to inspire, debate, motivate, make deals, and connect face to face. Whether you're a hacker, designer, trainer, system administrator, or entrepreneur, we want to hear from you if: -You've launched a project that will revolutionize the way we think, vote, sell, dream, or surf the Web -You grok the deep mysteries of crafting beautiful code -You've built a successful business that not only benefits from open source, but fully participates in the virtuous cycle of contribution and collaboration Fourteen Tracks, Lots of Ways To Participate If you're in tune with the heartbeat of open source, we invite you to share your experiences, expertise, analysis, and ideas. We are looking for proposals for: -45-minute sessions -3-hour tutorials -Panel discussions -Demonstrations The fourteen tracks include Linux, Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby, Java, Databases, Desktop Applications, Web Applications, Mobile, Administration, Security, People, Business, and Emerging Topics. The deadline to submit your proposal is midnight PST, February 4, 2008. For guidelines and to send us your proposal, go to: http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/cfp/13 Topics We Want To Explore Though by no means an exhaustive list, here are some of the topics we'd like to include in the OSCON 2008 program: -Parallelization, grid, and multicore technologies -The strengths that will carry open source beyond the gold rush -Open source in smart phones and mobile networked devices -Open hardware and licensing -Tools for the administration and deployment of large server farms -Ajax, Javascript, standards-based design, and other client-side web issues -AI, machine learning, and other ways of making software smarter than the people using it -The spread of open source into law, culture, data, and services and the accompanying issues and lessons -Open source in democracy, politics, government, and education -Best practices for building a business model around open source -Virtualization, appliances, and their creation and deployment Feel free to propose other open source topics. Sessions and tutorials should be based on real-world scenarios and deliver useful information and practical tools. In addition to sessions, tutorials, informal events, lively hallway conversations, and gatherings around Portland throughout the week, one of the best reasons to attend OSCON is the vibrant Expo Hall, which features leading open source companies and projects. OSCON 2008 sponsors currently include: Microsoft, Sun Microsystems, Atlassian, Disney.com, OpSource, and Silicon Mechanics. Save the Dates, July 21-25 Plan on meeting us in Portland, Oregon, for the tenth anniversary edition of OSCON, which is again conveniently co-located with Ubuntu Live at the Oregon Convention Center, so you can make the most of your trip. Co- hosted by Canonical, Ubuntu Live is the official event for the worldwide Ubuntu community. For more information on Ubuntu Live, visit: http://www.ubuntulive.com Early registration opens in March. Stay informed about the program as it develops and receive a registration reminder as soon as it opens by signing up for the conference newsletter at (login required): http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/nl/home#conferences If you have ideas for speakers and topics that will make the conference a must attend event, send them to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For exhibition and sponsorship opportunities please email Sharon Cordesse at [EMAIL PROTECTED] For media partner and promotional opportunities please email Avila Reese at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We hope to see you in Portland next summer. The OSCON 2008 Conference Team P.S. Be sure to submit your proposal by midnight PST, February 4, 2008 to http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/cfp/13 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Regional mentors/leads
Hi, On 2008-01-11, at 14:44 , André Schnabel wrote: Hi, and thanks for bringing the proposal to a public list. Louis Suarez-Potts schrieb: * I want to be a Regional Community Lead! I want to be a Regional Community Lead! What shall I do? Simple. Write to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list a proposal and we'll take on from there. Oh, I never even thought of that 8-) About what? That more people want to become Regional Community leads or thet they should ask at a public list about that. While I am looking forward to the first, I hope the latter is obvious ;) Well, I was exaggerating. If I get all this right, (and sorry for the very German style to get all things in structures), regional Community leads will have similar tasks like Native Lang Community leads have now. Sort of; this is still in flux and will depend on the situation. Bu they will step in at locations where that language-based Community-Setupdoes not work very well (e.g. Inda, Africa because we have a mix of languages in a given region - or US, Australia, England, because we have only one language in different regions with different cultures)? That depends on the situation, I think. In India, I think a regional community lead makes sense and it could also make sense elsewhere-- Africa, as I suggested. But let's see if it really works. I see a crucial requirement being able to represent the technical elements of OOo to the regional foss community, for instance, meaning that the role would be fairly demanding. But the goal is really to help form developer / high-level communities. Looking at the structures those regional leads need to have close contact with the native lang projects (of their region as well as global), correct? Yes. And I'd imagine that there will be huge overlap, as Charles hinted. You know, sometimes I do presentations about our poject's structures and hw you can join. So I just like to know, where all thiswould fits in. I think this can be considered an experiment of sorts. I do think we need regional mentors worldwide who can help new and relatively inexperienced developers learn how to work with OOo, and that this is one way of achieving that. But for this idea to work in fact we also need for the developer projects to take the regional lead seriously; a role without legitimacy is a joke, after all. So, I am not sure precisely how this fits in--in part b/c it's novel and in part because I also tend instinctively to anti-bureaucracy and codified roles, despite the evidence to the contrary. But in places like India, Africa (though Sophie thinks the situation there won't be changed by having a regional community lead), to name two, having someone who can help form developer communities (and also other contributor groups) seems important. And it doesn't seem to me that we've succeeded without such persons, though the Indic teams' work has been good and Dwayne's has been remarkable. André Best Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Regional mentors/leads
Hi all, On 2008-01-12, at 08:04 , Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Louis, all, This is not exactly a new proposal--we have discussed it on-list and off and on for years--but I'd like to raise it formally here for discussion. The proposal is to establish a more or less formal role, Regional Community Lead. One could also call it, as I used to, Regional Mentor, but the term, Regional Community Lead is probably more descriptively accurate. I would also like to propose that we start with this role in India. thanks for bringing it to the list! I think that in general such an idea is good. I understand it the same way as André does: For countries with a lot of languages, or large countries with one language but different cultures, where the existing NLC structure doesn't fit in very well, regional leads could add a lot of benefit for us. For countries, regions and languages, where the current NLC structure works, we can keep it as is. Yes, and again, as they say in English, we can play this (music) by ear. Florian ciao louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] Regional mentors/leads
Hi all, This is not exactly a new proposal--we have discussed it on-list and off and on for years--but I'd like to raise it formally here for discussion. The proposal is to establish a more or less formal role, Regional Community Lead. One could also call it, as I used to, Regional Mentor, but the term, Regional Community Lead is probably more descriptively accurate. I would also like to propose that we start with this role in India. * Reasons for the role In some regions, the community needs people local to that region who can ably represent OpenOffice.org to regional Foss groups, universities, government, wherever. The NLC leads do this now and do it well. But they are tied to particular languages--that's the point-- and are not regional, though obviously, in practice, for many languages they are. But in places such as India, where there are something like 21 official languages, I and others believe that we need someone who can effectively unify the disparate groups and represent OOo. That person would also work as a regional mentor and help new community members learn OOo; and would also necessarily have a tight connection with the developer and contributor members. Of course, any other community member could establish such connections, and in fact that's the goal-- to get more developers, world-wide. But in places such as India (or Africa or North America, and elsewhere), a regional lead who can help unify the local community seems required. And I think it's important to act now. The case of India is the prompt. When we went to Foss.In last December, and used it as our Indian Regional Conference, we were delighted to see that the Foss community in India was eager, friendly, vibrant, but dismayed to discover that there was no coherent OpenOffice.org community. It was atomized; work was being done by the government sponsored CDAC, and by Red Hat, and by a couple of independents, but there was no real community that could reliably share things. What's more, I learned that much of the source that was being worked on by the disparate communities was not coming from OOo repository; and there were many minor forks. There was in short a bit of a mess. The solution, it was impressed upon me, was to have a more visible presence in India. I don't mean Sun; I mean OOo. OOo may be used by millions there, but few work on it, and they don't work on it because for many, the obstacles of working on it are too steep and because there was no real community there. India depends on CDROMs and personal contact, and appreciates the visible efforts of the community. (I'm also trying to form a Sun team in India that can help nucleate the effort; but that is different from this proposal.) That visible presence is substantially achieved by establishing a Regional Community Lead: someone who can knit the various groups together and someone who can help coordinate overall communication among the international and regional groups. So, my apologies for the long post. But I do have a few more points: * Does this add bureaucracy? I hope not. Rather I hope it does the opposite. * How formal is this role? It is formal enough to grant the holder the ability to use it tactically. * Does this mean that regional community members must go through him or her to reach OpenOffice.org? No. Rather, it means if anything that the regional community lead will *help* those who want that help and strive to establish active participant communities. Thanks Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Regional mentors/leads
Hi On 2008-01-11, at 11:54 , Charles-H. Schulz wrote: * I want to be a Regional Community Lead! I want to be a Regional Community Lead! What shall I do? Simple. Write to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list a proposal and we'll take on from there. Oh, I never even thought of that 8-) But i'd modify it by suggesting that for now, I'd like to have just one, the one for India, and see where we go from there. Hope this helps, Charles. Thanks, Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] NLP page and project list
Hi On 2008-01-03, at 03:03 , Clytie Siddall wrote: My turn to be confused. Maybe I'm confused about this, but I thought the idea of getting us all to update the wiki list was to have one canonical list from which, if necessary, other lists or information could be updated. Surely we don't have to file a separate issue to get this list in line with the wiki list? Well, the point of an issue is that it reminds us directly. I'm on many many mail lsts and am constantly being asked to do small things, also big; having an issue helps. But I also would rather just have *one* list. I think having parallel lists is (evidently) a pain. from Clytie best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] Re: [project leads] Meeting minutes 2007/12/06
Hi On 2007-12-08, at 11:50 , André Schnabel wrote: Hello *, meeting minutes for the mini-meeting are available at the wiki: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council_Minutes#2007-12-06 Thanks. We should prepare a next meeting very soon, as the next advisory board's meeting is scheduled for Dec. 17th. Hopefully we can prepare some itput for this meeting. (Maybe Sophie will get the agenda soon). The AB was postponed. I'd like to notice, that we still have open Activity and Agenda items. Open AI (from last meeting): - council elections can we have an status uptade on this? Louis? The elections have been in process and begin now. The issue was we had to re-do from scratch, pretty much, the voting mechanism. it's bee done, thanks to Ben Bois, Laurent G., and Stefan T. open Agenda items: - Fosdem funding (seems we need more inputon that - and the decide) Basically we need a committee of someone to filter requests. I need to send out the cfp really soon. The idea: workshops not papers, or at best, a few. - adding non voting members (Louis suggested that but it would be helpfull do have a more detailed description of the idea before the next meeting) Adding people like Mark Herring, Jim Parkinson, Don Harbison,---AB members who can participate but not vote. We need to hear their insight, I think. - trademark - what is the status here? Any chances? Yes. I've asked Sun legal just to help me draft it. Asking not the same as doing. I cc'ed project leads and native lang lists, so that we get hopefully better awareness of the Council's Acivities. Thanks. Please forward the information and review our activities. You are welcome to contribute to the new OOo Mission Statement or give input for the advisory board. André best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Last CC meeting minutes
Thanks, Sophie. My apologies for not sending this out sooner. I've been dragged under by other things and wanted to send out finished minutes not an IRC log link. But ça va. On 2007-11-27, at 15:21 , sophie wrote: Hi all, The minutes of the last CC meeting (22th of November) can be found here : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council_Minutes The next meeting will be on the 5th of December, but I don't know the time yet. Probably after 17:00 UTC. You'll find the agenda of the next meeting here : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/The_OpenOffice.org_Community_Council_Agenda Please don't hesitate to ask any question you have about it :) indeed. Please add what you want... Kind regards Sophie louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Re: [com] t-shirt distribution through NLC projects
Hi On 2007-10-11, at 14:55 , Rafaella Braconi wrote: Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello there in the NLC projects, as some of you may be aware of, the marketing project currently tries to bring out some merchandise for this quarter, sponsored by funds from Sun. We have the option of producing t-shirts (details will be discussed on the marketing list). With the current funding, we could do about 2.000-2.000 items. Or, we could produce some less t-shirts and additionally some mouse pads or mugs. +1 for less t-shirts and more other giveaways... Perhaps something like think geek offers, where we have a series of options for consumers to choose that hare branded OpenOffice.org-- mugs, t-shirts, buttons, laptop stickers. Rafaella ciao, louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] Re: [regicon-india] FOSS.IN and OpenOffice.org
Hi Folks, please submit proposals to foss.in by 08 October. No late submissions. See http://marketing.openoffice.org/conference/ foss.in_project_day.html Takes place first week of December, Bangalore. Big conference :-) This ought to be of real interest to the Indic projects... best, Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] FOSS.IN and OpenOffice.org
All, India's FOSS.IN is rightly considered one of the more important annual FOSS events. It's also large, fun, and exciting. This year, OpenOffice.org is honoured to have a Project Day, either 4 or 5 December, and all are invited to submit proposals. Our theme is Building the Indian OpenOffice.org contributor community, and we hope you will consider joining us in Bangalore, India, this December, and submit a proposal. *** The deadline is 08 October.*** Read over the Project Day description prior to sending in your proposal, and keep in mind you may also propose a session for the main conference, which runs right after the Project Days. * OpenOffice.org Project Day: - http://marketing.openoffice.org/conference/ foss.in_project_day.html * Foss.in CfP process: - http://foss.in/2007/info/Call_for_Participation#The_CfP_Process * Foss.in Call for participation: - http://foss.in/2007/info/Call_for_Participation The OpenOffice.org Team - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] How can I creat a Project?
Hi On 2007-08-25, at 06:55 , Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Is this page actually better than http://native-lang.openoffice.org? I dislike having more than one authoritative page, obviously, and if the NLC homepage is uninteresting, then let's deprecate it or vice versa. But let's keep one for authoritative information. Actually, I'd call the two pages complementary. But we can always merge the two. I agree they are complementary and will do some tweaking to clarify the purposes of the two... ciao louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Re: problem with private key!
On 2007-08-21, at 21:48 , Caio Tiago Oliveira wrote: Louis Suarez-Potts, 21-08-2007 22:06: HIi Peter, Fast solution: create a new set and file an issue. I'll upload it quickly. Well... a quicker solution would be to change the mode of the file from 0666 to 0600: chmod 0600 /home/peter/.ssh/id_dsa Perhaps but... that assumes that the operator here knows what you are talking about and how even to deploy the command: not a safe assumption. :-) Besides, now that we can bypass Collabnet support for uploading keys it really is pretty fast, and Peter's new key has been uploaded. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] How can I creat a Project?
Hi! On 2007-08-13, at 06:34 , Wunna Ko Ko wrote: Dear All, We have started for development of Burmese locale for OOo. Since I have learned that there is no one who initiated for Burmese, I would like to initiate one. The following is some of the information for Burmese Language. 1. ISO code: my 2. Language name : Burmese 3. Language Users : People mainly in Myanmar, Some in (Singapore, Thai, United States) 4. Script info.: 4.1 Script name: Burmese/Myanmar 4,2 Writing direction: Left to right in horizontal lines. 4.3 Additional details: can also be found by visting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmese_language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmese_alphabet If any additional information is needed, pls let me know. Well, first of all, welcome :-) Second, the NLC is primarily (now) a project that arranges project space for localization, etc. for locales. But the actual localization work is done in the l10n project. Discussions on localization take place on [EMAIL PROTECTED] All that said, all that I further require is that you understand our licensing policies and agree to work with them when doing work here, and you indicate the level of your project. You can find out more about this sort of thing on http://native-lang.openoffice.org/ BTW, the NLC is not a regional language project; we focus on what people use to communicate not where they live. But that doesn't mean that part of your work can't be to foster local communities furthering OOo. Indeed, that's a recommendation :-). Once you indicate you've read the document I pointed you to, please respond, and I'll set the project up. With Best Regards, -- Wunna Ko Ko Ciao Louis -- Louis Suarez-Potts Community Manager OpenOffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi On 2007-07-19, at 03:05 , sophie wrote: Hi Joost, all, Joost Andrae wrote: Hi Louis, I'm not a native language lead but as Sophie told me the French native language community (esp. the African francophone community) has problems regarding Bouncer because Bouncer doesn't seem to prefer regional download connections over international connections. Several users from Africa have complained that they got a very slow connection and it makes a difference if a user needs twelve hours or if he needs five hours to download a version over a modem line depending on the connection he got by Bouncer. Thanks for speaking about that. I have decided to make a new test for the 2.3 and will: - add bouncer links - add P2P links and hope that it will balance the issue with bouncer and low connections Kind regards Sophie thanks Sophie. I think that's a pretty good solution: one can choose on the basis of where one lives what system to use. More generally: I guess my concern is to capture more accurately (and easily) who is downloading the application and source. The more information we can get, the better for us, presuming that info is good news. :-) (And I'm sure it is.) Best, Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
On 2007-07-17, at 17:42 , Andrea Pescetti wrote: Louis Suarez-Potts ha scritto: A long while ago, back in February, I asked about using Bouncer for downloads. [0] There were some considered objections, [1] but I think they may have been addressed since then. Not completely. My objection (we, as Italian NL group, were unable to count how many downloads we had) is still valid, in that we cannot access daily download statistics. Shaun McDonald provided some very promising and ingenious work to retrieve data from logs, see http://distribution.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg? list=devmsgNo=1799 but it has remained a proof of concept so far. Anyway, we now use a workaround: we intercept all download requests from http://it.openoffice.org/download/ and log them before redirecting to Bouncer. This works, more or less, for us, but other NL teams may still have this concern. We would still prefer the cleaner approach of having statistics for each language directly integrated into Bouncer and accessible to NL team leads. Hm. Duplication of effort, as I already count that data and post it, when I have it, to stats.openoffice.org/ . So, the wusage reports (what I use for this) can be complemented by Bouncer, it seems. This is not an objection to switch to Bouncer for all downloads. We are using it and we will continue to use it. Good; and I think we can ask the OSL people then if they can further help us with Bouncer stats Regards, Andrea Pescetti - Italian NL team lead. best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi all, On 2007-07-18, at 05:52 , Joost Andrae wrote: Hi Louis, I'm not a native language lead but as Sophie told me the French native language community (esp. the African francophone community) has problems regarding Bouncer because Bouncer doesn't seem to prefer regional download connections over international connections. Several users from Africa have complained that they got a very slow connection and it makes a difference if a user needs twelve hours or if he needs five hours to download a version over a modem line depending on the connection he got by Bouncer. This is good to know. My sense is that we can use both Bouncer and the Wusage (and probably other tools) to give us a better sense of the download picture. I'm sorry to hear that location causes problems, since one of my desires is to catch BR, African and other downloads that we don't always catch now. And OOo is very popular in Brazil. btw. broffice.org still seems to be down. Bouncer links for BrOo are available: http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/? product=BrOffice.orgos=linuxintellang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/? product=BrOffice.orgos=linuxintellangpacklang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/? product=BrOffice.orgos=winlang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/? product=BrOffice.orgos=winlangpacklang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 I see. I'll be pinging Claudio ... So... Do the NLC leads still have objections to using Bouncer? If yes, what are they? (Have they been communicated to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?) If not, can I ask that you do so? As I wrote before, Bouncer can help us track downloads. This may even be so for projects whose primary pages are actually off the CollabNet site, such as BR-PT: they can add their servers to the Bouncer list. Kind regards, Joost Thanks, Joost. best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] BrOffice.org site (was: Bouncer again)
On 2007-07-18, at 20:45 , Caio Tiago Oliveira wrote: We'll tell you when the site be back. thanks! and, of course, having weekly figures will help greatly--both OOo and your group, too :-), as it will bring yet more attention to BR's successes. Best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
