Re: [newbie] deluxepaintish programs, AOCP, anyone?
>Indeed. What would a winders program have that Gimp can't offer, in graphics? >Well, Corel has their Corel suite ported to Linux too, if that's what you >want... Can't respond to the requirements of the other guy but GIMP is a Photoshop replacement; it's not a drawing program. That's why Adobe has Illustrator as a companion program for Photoshop. Killustrator is supposed to become a replacement for Illustrator (or other drawing programs). In short, if you want to take a picture of an elephant and a photo of a city street and make that elephant look as though it were walking down that street, GIMP is great. If you want to draw a picture of an elephant walking down a street, however, you need a different program and there isn't a good one in the Linux world. Cheers --- Larry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound in MDK 8.1?
> I was in the same problem with my CMI8330, I used "sndconfig" and this app >detects very well my card, but I don not why I couldn't hear anything... then >I probe with "sndconfig --noprobe --noautoconfigure" and the detection was >very well.. it make the necesary files for me Have you run aumix? I found that 8.1 defaults to very low volume settings. Adjusting the volumes (and saving) using aumix fixes the problem. Cheers --- Larry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New to list
> I only subscribed today. I can do without that kind of help. Fred, I dare say that you'll not likely have to worry about getting any kind of help from either myself or Tom. Good luck with Linux; it's a great operating system. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] 7.2 ISO's
> > The install disk does not appear to be bootable. I burned it as a iso9660 file >rather > than the Joliet system. It shows up ok as an executable on the cdrom but it is not You have to go one step beyond choosing a file system format. You didn't mention what software you're using so I've got to stay generic with advice but what you need to do if find the option that lets you "create an image", "create a raw image" or something like that. > a self starter. Should I use my 7.1 boot disk to start it or do I have to make a new > boot disk somehow? Can't find anything in the archives or in the other help sites Jump into your bios and set things up so you can boot off the CD and do that. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] New to list
> When did I say "for posting HTML in groups?" I am a newbie to Linux, not the > Internet! I know about netiquette. Now, if you only answered my question > instead of lecturing me. Gee Fred, maybe a switch to decaf would help. Tom's one of the sharpest guys here. You just might need his assistance at some point. I nearly wrote exactly what he did but decided it wasn't worth the time. You'll find people answer questions here when they feel like it and growling isn't going to stimulate that activity. BTW, I use Pine as my email tool and it don't do HTML I'm happy to say. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.2
> Dear All and Paul, Thank you for the advice about installing or > upgrading to Mandrake 7.2. I am probably going to get the CD's and > upgrade afterall. I looked into Cheapbytes website and saw the CD's but > do not understand the difference between the two kinds offered really. I checked their listing and I agree; it's hard to see any difference between their $4 and $7 disk set. > Someone mentioned that you can download the ISO to your HD , make a boot > disk, then install it that way without the need to burn it to a CD. This is true, you can mount an iso image that's sitting on your HD. What would be a problem would be trying to use the installer to install anything from the second CD as the installer would expect you to be able to "put" that CD into the same mount location as the first disk. I don't know any way to get past that, though there may be one. If you want to read a bit about how to do the mount, check man mount and look for the "loop" option. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.2
> Mandrake 7.0 complete that I purchased from Office Depot about 5 months > ago. I am such a newbie (or was) :) that it took me so long to get > things to work right. With the help of some wonderful souls on this You talk as thought you're the only one Marcia? I guess the rest of us are just too unwilling to admit it :-) > If I decide to install or upgrade to 7.2 will that mess up everything or > some things that I have working finally? Will my ethernet cable modem > continue to work properly? I don't think the transition from 7.0->7.2 will be as smooth as you might like but it need not be a horrible process either. I don't think anyone can answer whether your ethernet card is going to continue to function but what I can say is that if you know how to make it work under 7.0 you should be able to get it to work with 7.2 and there's a chance that 7.2 may set it up automatically for you. Having said that, I wouldn't recommend doing an "upgrade." Rather, save all your configuration files (with any luck you've actually got them on a separate /home partition. THEN, do a clean install of 7.2. What you'll probably find is that many of the software installations and upgrades that you've done are already part of 7.2 so you won't have to do anything after the installation to get those functional. > It took me 4 months to figure out how to make > it work. What is better , fresh install or upgrade? I read that the Fresh install...and don't confuse how long it took to figure stuff out with how long it will take to replicate it. You do maintain a change log don't you? Some sort of book where you write down stuff you've done and how you did it? Armed with that, it should take only a few minutes to get your ethernet card functioning again if 7.2's automatic setup of such things. In my case, for instance, with 7.0 and 7.1 I needed to download and install rp-pppoe for my DSL. With 7.2, that software is included and I could enter account names and IP addresses during the installation. One odd thing is that I've done this twice and one time the 7.2 install decided that my ethernet card was eth1 (it's eth0) and the second time everything set up properly. In both cases, however, it didn't take long as I already knew what needed to happen. > fresh install was fast however the upgrade was taking 5 hours or more. > Any suggestions? Thank you for your help. Marcia If you start out with all your personal config files and notes on what changes you've had to make in the past it shouldn't take you much time beyond the time of a fresh install, which means it's a lot faster doing it that way than to do the upgrade which would be a hope and a prayer in my view going from 7->7.2 because so much stuff has changed. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] ext CD
> what are in ext CD iso? The full Mandrake system is put on two CDs, the -inst and -ext CDs. In their wisdom they don't provide the -ext CD in their Complete shrinkwrap packages and thus you don't have part of it. You can download it from their mirror sites; it's about 550megs. Smile while you're growling over having bought part of the operating system. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] libstdc++-2.96-0.14mdk (long, sorry)
> I just installed v7.2 from downloaded iso's. > Everything is working great except when I tried to compile a kde app (kbear). > ./configure told me I was running a beta copy of Qt2.2.1 (2.2.1-3mdk). > > I downloaded the latest from rpmfind.net (qt2-2.2.1-4mdk). > However, on rpm -Uvh I am told that I need libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3. > This is provided by libstdc++-2.96-0.14mdk (which I also downloaded). It sounds as though the app you're trying to compile is really on the bleeding edge. I suspect that it may, itself be a beta copy. 2.96 of the compiler is stated explicitly to have problems by its developers. > On rpm -Uvh libstdc++ , I am told that "everything" ;) relies on a file > which is provided by the current version of libstdc++ (2.95.2-12), which is > not provided in the new version. The stuff to compile C++ code is on the second iso disk and you're right, it's not included in the packages you buy. You can download them from the Mandrake mirrors. > I guess my question is: Am I going to break my beautiful Mandrake/KDE2 > install by trying this upgrade?? It won't hurt to download the 2.95 stuff for your C++ compiler but personally I wouldn't put 2.96 on my machine right now. Depends on your tolerance for the bleeding edge I suppose. Just realize that in the Linux world, you have to make that decision and the farther out on the edge you go the more often you're going to be rebuilding and reinstalling stuff Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] 7.2 mandrake
> > Hi all, > > I just wanted to say that I have purchased 7.2 at wallmart > > and the install went perfectly. I did not have one problem > > at all. One small question where is the enlightenment > > window manager ? I didnt find it. Thank you, Chronos. > > Chronosenlightenment is on the 2nd (extension) CD. Since you're unwilling to say it (grin) Alan, I will. The extension CD doesn't come in the Walmart package. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] 7.2 mandrake
> I just wanted to say that I have purchased 7.2 at wallmart and the install > went perfectly. I did not have one problem at all. One small question where > is the enlightenment window manager ? I didnt find it. Don't know if it's there but you access it by setting up Gnome as your desktop and Enlightenment is added as the window manager. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] why LM 7.2 is in some stores
> Basically the 7.2 at Wal-Mart is a "desktop" only version geared for > newbies. There is no expert install, no development tools and the KDE is If you look a bit deeper, Eddie, you'll find that every version of Mandrake xx Complete is described as a "desktop only version geared for newbies". This one is no exception except that it's got a very buggy interface as its default interface. > 1.99 and not the final KDE 2.0. Mandraksoft is working on a patch that > will be downloaded via MandrakeUpdate that will bring the KDE to the 2.0 > final. Yep...the first thing newbies need to do is find out that their winmodem won't connect them. I guess this is a feature :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] What the difference between / and /root
> What's the difference between ' / ' and ' /root '? / is the base directory off which all other directories branch (presuming they're on that partition). /root is the home account for the root user. Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] rh to mandrake
> I think it's a little early to pass judgment. Many devoted users and > developers have spent many hours of their personal Not sure what you mean here Roman as we "pass judgement" constantly, making decisions about what software we use. If we hadn't "passed judgement" on Linux, and decided it was useful for us we wouldn't be here. > If we don't want the beta releases than so be it. We have to start some While I do think we need to educate newbies about what beta software is and what can be expected from it, I think when companies start shrinkwrapping it and selling it in KMart there is little we can do but conclude that they have lost sight of what a beta is, who their prospective customer base (in Kmart) is and whether or not releasing a "This is Linux...it's great" package with KDE2 in its current state and LM7.2beta is the best way to move onto the casual user desktop. > time. The software must be released. New users may prefer the visual aspect I'm more concerned about new users trying to install products like LM7.2 or RH7.0 and saying "_They're right...this is a lousy operating system." I don't think a bunch of broken shells does much to sell the otherwise rock solid OS that Linux is. For instance, LM could have just as easily release 7.2 with KDE1.1, XFree3.3, etc. but with all the new hardware support and they'd have had a much better entry product to sell the notion of Linux. This, in fact, would have been more consistent with the 'point' upgrade they've applied to the version number. Then, once KDE2 and XFree4.01 got the bugs wrung out of it they could release v8.0. In short, many of us have complained that Microsoft releases buggy software. Why should be be pleased to find that the distro people are doing exactly the same thing? They would do well to follow the example of those developing the kernelslow is good. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] 7.2 is painfully slow
> I have just changed over from Corel to Mandrake 7.2. I have had a couple prob lems with it. Has anyone else felt that it is very slow, You've got some sort of problem with the installation as linuxconfig should take only a few seconds to load. It takes only 2 seconds for the control center to load on my 500mhz machine. >Its possible it could my computer not having enough power also but I dont know. Its a Pentium 500 with 32 megs ram 32megs isn't very much to run these modern versions of X+window_manager. >there anyway of Netscape look nice and colorful. Every linux Distro I used has a nice looking Netscape that has colors. Mandrake has this boring grey Again, there's a problem with your setup as it's nice and colorful here. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] rh to mandrake
> I agree. There are way too many distos that are beta. Marketing Departments > have been known to shoot themselves many times in the foot. Good point :-) > Buggy software in the Linux world can get difficult to iron out. But, then > again, that's part of the fun of learning. Or, is it? Is this is a game maybe so. If it's to replace the world's desktop operating system, no. I look at software (all software) from several perspectives. Is the software useful? Is it useful to me? Will I recommend it to people who aren't well-based on computers. So far, Linux is failing to pass muster in that third category. If the Linux market is the saavey computer computer user market than this isn't a problem. Otherwise, both the developers and marketeers are failing miserably. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Windows
> hey i right books and i create many things but you want to know what if i > post them on the internet i am going to have to expect one person buys it and > then redistributes it to their friends and then thier friends and so on. Mike...this thought relies on the thought that you have an alternative to giving it away. That would be more believable if you knew how to spell "right" and that "i" should be capitalized. I'd suggest, in any case, that you simply stop responding to anything posted on this thread so we can get the conference back on topic as what you or anyone does with Windows is irrelevant here. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Applix Word / StarOffice review
> There's also OpenOffice on cooker mirrors: > /packages/mandrake-devel/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/ > openoffice-6.0.5-1mdk.i586.rpm (47mb) Have you tested these Tom? I thought they were saying that they were pretty flakey right now in terms of the compile scripts. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] KPP Problem - can't connect to Net as user
> > All you really need to keep from .netscape to accomplish what you're > talking about are the bookmarks.html file and your preferences.js > file. That will virtually restore Netscape for you on subsequent It gets a bit more complicated than this with Nutscape. The reason is that Mandrake has decided that it's an integral part of their distribution and thus it's installed in /usr/bin and /usr/lib/netscape. the apps-defaults file contains a netscape definition to that effect. But, if you download 4.75 the developer believes that FHS means something and they put it in /opt. If you don't delete (by removing the rpms) the old versions, you don't get a complete install of the new one and there ends up being some cross-talk between them such that if you run the 4.75 version you get errors and all apps that need a browser grab the old version. This is all separate from personal .netscape files and deleting them doesn't fix it. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Applix Word / StarOffice review
> It would be wonderful to get SO in RPM form. My Celeron workstation at > work just cannot deal with Sun's compression format to get the darn app > installed for love or money. I think that getting SO binaries in rpm form is easy. They come with later versions of LM7.1. You can probably get them from the Mandrake mirrors. I was referring to the source code. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] space requirements
> so I can't say just exactly what this involves. I can say that > while an /opt dir was created, it's empty So I've noticed. That's why I asked about "distro apps". If Star Office is a "distro app" there's not going to be much of anything that they're going to be putting in /opt :-) > Can't say, I've never had any boot problems, other than to turn Me neither until this one. I played with it today (when I should have been working) and found that I can eliminate it by using XFree3.3 or 4.01 without graphics acceleration. > and RedHat. You might try fiddlin with your Xconfig and resolution > in DrakConf. I had a minor glitch after I installed 7.2b3. Altho This is a pre-X problem. Once I get X loaded everything works fine. Things seem to be going nuts when the simple text windows of grub or lilo are being run. That's why I can get past it by booting from a floppy, which seems to have that menu local. My suspicion is that it's some loose pointer to the menu itself but I can't confirm it. > 3dfx cards (Voodoo3) don't do 32bpp, just for grins, I chose This machine has a Voodoo3000 and it's worked well with everything else. In fact, it works fine once I'm in 7.2 :-) > something like 'SVGA that'll do 1024x768 @ 70'. IOW's, I choose That works on this system as well, though since my monitor and card are listed I just select them and that works too. > to run their monitor at max specs. Monitors weaken with age, and Kinda like me. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Applix Word / StarOffice review
> but very good. the author uses both products, and finds both fault & greatness in >each. i think it's a very objective look at each product. > i would hope that in the last year Applix has fixed some of the problems he finds >with their product. but what is bad is that the few faults he found with StarOffice >a year ago are the things i still don't like about it. come on guys change is >good. Adrian, right now the work on Star Office is to get all the source code into compilable rpms. This is a basic difference between Star Office and Applix that can't be denied or understated. While I'm not against commercial software, I suspect we'll see some really significant development going on with SO code in the next year or so. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Installing 7.2: swap problem
> Running Linux, Pg 52 - A single swap file or partition may be up to 128MB > (more with the latest kernels).* If you wish to use more then 128MB of swap > (hardly ever necessary), you can create multiple swap partitions or files - up Beware the rate at which numbers become outdated in books :-) Take a look at page 37 of the same book. It says "You should have at the very least 8mb of RAM; however it's strongly suggested that you have at least 16mb." In a later paragraph it goes on to say "Amounts of RAM greater than 64mb need a boot-time parameter." In short, the numbers and constraints amay not apply to v2.2 of the kernel and may not reflect the growing demands of X/Gnome/KDE and large graphical apps for memory space. I don't know about you but I wouldn't think if trying to run a typical Linux workstation on a 8-16mb machine. > to 16 in all. For example, if you need 256MB of swap, you can create two > 128MB swap partitions. Obviously we know that this is no longer true as LM defaults to 250mb on 128mb machines. > LPI Prep Kit General Linux I, Pg 48 - Your swap partition should be twice the > amount of physical RAM installed on your system. The maximum size of a swap This I don't understand. In fact, the more memory I put in a machine the less need I should have for swap. But recall, Running Linux is "strongly suggesting 16mb of memory, so twice that in swap is only 32mb. You'd end up with a 48mb memory limit which is well below the standing RAM in most of our current machines. > What I get from all this Larry is that for the i386 based machines, the general > rule of thumb is double the RAM up to 128MB of swap. If your resource > monitoring shows a high useage level for the swap, add another. I don't think such rules of thumb make much sense. Think about this scenario: 1) Using 64mb RAM and 128mb swap and everything is working great with current user demand. 2) Add memory to bring machine to 512mb RAM, maintaining user demand constant. In this second scenario would you really see a value in having a gigabyte of swap space? User demand can be served with 1/3 of the installed RAM, when would the swap be used in any significant way? Times change and one of the things that's changed is that we're no longer trying to get multi-tasking to occur in a small memory space (small defined as being way less than user demand). I suspect that the "twice your RAM" rule of thumb has more to do with efficiency (if your swap becomes more than twice your RAM it's either not going to be used (too low a demand) or there's simply not going to be enough RAM to 'service' the demand that's requiring the swap. In contrast, using less than twice is quite often the better way to go as you simply don't need it because you've got so much memory in the machine. I'm sure that if you compared swap usage of a 64mb and 512mb single-user machine you'd see this clearly. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Installing 7.2: swap problem
> It must be a percentage or something. I didn't get 128MB, not even 256; I > got 384MB (if I recall correctly). Couldn't size it down. I wonder if it's > whatever one cylinder is. -Gary- Seems odd that you can't size it down Gary. Most of the installations I've done come up 250meg and I generally drop it down to 200 without any problems. On my own machines I use Partition Magic and set it for whatever I want. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Installing 7.2: swap problem
> I've got 128MB of RAM and the Swap is only 96MB. When I was running > Caldera Open Linux 2.2, I never saw any of it being used. When I installed > Mandrake 7.1, swap utilization came up to 2-3%. I suppose if were doing > some heavy development work and creating huge programs, I would see it go up. > For me personally, I don't see the need to use up more disk space for an > area that is seeing little usage. Running large programs is probably more likely to place demands on swap than developing them. If you've got, say Word Perfect/Wine, a spreadsheet program, email tool, and Netscape open (I often have this situation) you'll probably see more swap usage :-) But I think that's the point. The notion that swap "should be" 128m or "twice your RAM" is pure folly. Swap demands, as you well know, is dependent upon memory usage. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Mandrake install on an unformatted disk
> If I start the mandrake 7.1 install on a system with one ATA66 10.2Gb > Unformatted HD, will it format the disk when I get to diskdrake? Personally I don't trust diskdrake but yes, it should partition and format your drive. It's said, however, that you need an existing partition table before Mandrake install will work. I can't say whether that's true or not. cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Installing 7.2: swap problem
> Check your 'man swap' and you will find they say 128 MB. You can have up > to 8 swap partitions (16 according to the LPI study guide). Uhm...under what conditions? Swap isn't a single number, it's dependent upon OS use of swap space, the size and number of apps being run, etc. If you auto-allocate a 128m memory machine using Mandrake installer it will give you 250m of swap. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] 7th question - word processing - you only thought iwas finished
> I for one prefer Star Office. What exactly is it about SO that is too much > for you? Abiword is a nice enough app, but unfortunately it's still a beta > app and has a few...um...bugs in it. I would agree. If I didn't have somewhat specialized problems I'd certainly be using SO as it's by far the most stable and with the most potential to remain that way in future releases. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] 1st question -- CD burner crash & burn
> I had some occaisional problems burning with Linux and W98 till > I swapped the CD-RW and CDrom on the second ide, making the burner > the slave. Only thing I can think of to rationalize this 'fix' is > that as slave, the CD-RW is on the ide cable at a shorter length > from the motherboard. I always thought this was given as "standard practice" and the explanations I've heard had more to do with throughput - i.e. reading from one channel and out the other rather than reading and writing on the same channel. I've certainly found the same thing you have even though my cables are both the same length. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Changing colors.
> back to the group if I can't get it working. Will > there be a separate copy of that file for each user on Yes, each user has one (presuming they're running KDE). > the system? Assuming the file is owned by root, do I > change the owner or just allow the write permission to > everyone? Thanks for the help. chown username .kderc Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Installing 7.2: swap problem
> 1) I've tried the 'automatic' option - I get the error. > 2) I create the swap, then root, then usr (I like having swap first on > the disk) > 3) They are defined properly as swap and ext2 - I actually wanted the > usr partition to be ReiserFS, so I was trying that at first, but > eventually went with all ext2 If they're all defined properly as far as Mandrake is concerned you wouldn't be getting an error, right? You might try putting root in front of swap and seeing what happens. > 5) I've used RedHat primarily in the past couple years ... started out > with Slackware 3.0 (painful). I used Debian for a bit ... though I Mandrake IS RedHat but I've never seen either of them set things up with swap first. Not saying you can't but since it's not working for you you might try it with your boot location in the first ext2 partition. > Side note 1: I've gone in with a win98 bootdisk & fdisk /mbr to clear > the boot record from any previous junk that might have been in it, I've > removed all the partition info from within fdisk & created one huge > win98 partition (non-formatted) ... when the installer hit that, it > asked if I wanted to remove windows & proceed, I said yes, and it did > some stuff on the drive then popped up that same exact error message ... I've never trusted Mandrake's partitioner so can't vouch for its ability to do things properly. I think you said, however, that you'd tried setting things up with fdisk and had the same problems. I always use Partition Magic myself. I should also say that I don't have much experience with Mandrake 7.2 as I don't feel it's as stable as 7.0 or 7.1. They've released some stuff that's a bit half-baked in my view and while I don't have the problems you're describing, I've got some of my own. I run 7.1 on my work machine. > Side note 2: RedHat 7.0 has finished installing successfully and it > seems to be running fine (I'm in X now ...) however, I don't want RedHat > 7.0 ... this was just a test, so please keep helping me :) Don't blame you...RedHat seems to be facing the same problem I'm seeing with Mandrake...all hot to release "new" products, whether they're really ready or not. They've just got to have some "NEW" banners on their list of features, whether those are improvements or not :-) Good luck. Would sure like to hear your reasoning for wanting your swap at the head of the drive. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [[newbie] 7th question - word processing - you only thought iwas finished]
> You can say that again! At this point in time I would touch Koffice, or > Kword with a ten foot pole. After the fiasko if this weekend past I'm no > stinkin hurry to even get a whif of KDE2 or anything related to it. Ooo...sounds you've had some bad interactions with KDE2. You've demonstrated repeatedly that you're more bold and brave than I. I've installed 7.2, boot it via a floppy to get past a load problem that turns my screen to garbage, and bounce around in it, feeling as though KDE has become a good interface going bad and then hop back to my 7.1 installation :-) Cheers --- Larry the pickle
Re: [newbie] upgrading from 7.1 to 7.2
> Nah, what I mean is I'm running KDE 2 apps quite happily within Enlightenment > without any problems. Seems to crash much less than running KDE itself, oddly > enough. ...this is a path I've got to take with 7.2 I think. I'm much more of a KDE 1.1 fan than I am of GNOME but KDE seems quite determined to muck with the interface so I guess I'm going to have to get used to GNOME. I agree that Enlightenment is the best of the WMs. Sure wish I could get rid of that damn footprint though. I guess I'm old but GNOME smacks of something built by a bunch of kids...bright kids but kids nevertheless. Somehow beercan icons just don't fit with serious computer use in my view. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Installing 7.2: swap problem
> Everything goes along fine until we're in the stage where the hard drive > gets partitioned. I have a 6G drive and I wanted to partition it > manually ... so I do. 128M swap, 512M root, the rest goes to usr. > Don't comment on how intelligent or stupid my partitioning scheme is, > please - that shouldn't be at issue here :) You suggest we shouldn't comment on the very subject that seems to be causing the problem. I will however, though briefly. Is this the order in which you're setting up these partitions? Are they defined properly as ext2 and swap? Obviously something is wrong in your setup or you wouldn't be getting errors and having problems. If you could provide a bit more detail of what you're doing (partition order, type, are you dual-booting?, etc) might help. Since you say you're an experienced Linux user, what Linuxes have you used? Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] upgrading from 7.1 to 7.2
> BTW, does anyone here *not* like KDE2? Most people seem to prefer it, but I > have to say that although it has some excellent apps (konqueror is far > superior to kfm), on the whole the look and feel is a bit clunky for my I haven't spent much time with it but mostly because I don't like it. Seems to me that they've taken some nice stuff and muddied it up considerably. > taste. Still works well with Enlightenment, though, which is exactly how I > like it. You're running KDE v2 with Enlightenment? How? You sure you don't have little feet scampering around your screen (grin)? Cheers --- Larry
Re: [[newbie] 7th question - word processing - you only thought iwas finished]
> There's Kword is an excellent alternative to MS Word in Mandrake 7.2. > Havent tried it yet. But I checked it out as Koffice is integrated together > like Office 2000. Lookin' like a window killer. hehe The big problem with Kword is that it doesn't output foreign formats yet. This is going to be a problem for anyone who deals with the outside world. As for Window killer, it's going to have to mature considerably before acquiring the abilities of current Linux-compatible word processors. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Changing colors.
> > How do I change the screen colors for my user account? > I am able to change the colors for the root account so > I assume this is a security problem (do I need to > change rights to a setup file to allow writing? which > file?). I chose to use mid-level security during the Check the permissions on your .kderc file. I don't remember the details but someone here reported this as a problem once before and the problem was that somehow only root could write to his .kderc file. This resulted in KDE Control Center to accept the changes but not actually change the file. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] 1st question -- CD burner crash & burn
> cdrecord -duplicate cdrom cdrom2**i'm making up that switch you know** > but as i look thru the pages it isn't that easy is it?? or is it?? am i missing >anything here? I haven't done this but I don't think it should be a big problem. You may need some other command line switches depending on your setup and desires but it should work something like cdrecord -dummy dev=0,0,0 /mnt/cdrom Thought I'd stick in the -dummy to both test it and announce the source of this information :-) > next, i have burned a few CDs using gtoaster. i was burning one this weekend and >went to fire up GIMP while doing that. short of the long, Linux did a windoze >imitation. crashed & burned big time. first gtoaster froze, then KFM, then eterm. >ended up shutting down to reboot. Burning CDs, in any OS is very much sensitive to the ability of the machine to keep the buffer full. If there's a fetch with nothing there you lose and the disk is trash. You can solve this problem by running at a slower speed using the -speed= option. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Clipper and Visual Basic languajes
> 2. VB has been developed for the express purpose of writing programs to run > under Windows. > 3. Microsoft is not a proponent of open source software (in spite of what > that Russian guy thinks). > 4. Linux has strong roots in the C language. > 5. C (and its descendants) and Basic are totally different worlds (think > cats and dogs). > My guess would be that Visual Basic for Linux will occur on the day that > hell freezes over and the sun rises in the west -- provided that they both > happen on the same day. On the other hand, strange things do happen -- > remember President Dewey. Carrol, while there's some debate over whether it's a good idea, I believe there is an active project to develop a VB-compatible interpreter for Linux. I don't know any of the details of that project however. As for MS and Linux, you might find them involved a bit sooner than that :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Problem with 3Com ether 3C905B under 7.1?
> Any ideas? At this point I am assuming it is a driver problem. > Is the 3C905 driver known to work under 7.1? I remember that > Caldera didn't support this card in one of their releases about > six months ago. Are you running adsl? It's one thing to have an ethernet connection and quite another to make your DSL modem go. The easiest thing to do is to download the DSL package from roaringpenguin.com. This is included in 7.2. Anyways, all you do is expand the rpm, run adsl-setup, enter simple stuff like your DNS, user name, password, etc. Then you have to run adsl-start and you should see the rest of those lights flicker as the modem makes the connections. This takes all of 5 minutes to set up. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
> thanks for the info, I must have > picked up some corrupt info somewhere. There seems to be a lot of confusion here. Servers provide stuff, clients get stuff...well, most of the time :-) > O and hey do you know alot about postfix? Not really, though it's currently handling my mail in/out of Pine. > I tried using it once but there was no > mail in /var/spool/mail/user Is is possible that your email account name is different from your user name? Were there any mailboxes there after you've received mail? Must be going somewhere :-) > What did I scock up that time? I'm not sure. I was using sendmail and fetchmail but for other reasons needed to do a new install. When I did postfix got installed and I noticed that it was working fine so I just left it. Wish I could tell you more but I tend to know more about things I can't make work quite so easily :-) You might want to read man postfix and man master. Browsing through /etc/postfix/master.cf is also informative. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
> sendmail is suppoed to support pop and stmp > so does postfix > postfix is what comes with the current linuxmandrake > it is compatible with sendmail commands. Both sendmail and postfix come with LM, though you're right that postfix is loaded by default. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
> Well actually as veloct said, sendmail is the > mailer daemon but, if you go to > > ftp://ftp.vergenet.net/pub/cucipop/ > > You should find a POP server you may like, > in order to recieve mail via pop, one must > install a pop server, such as cubic circle's > POP server software. Don't think so...you're not serving POP; you simply retrieving mail from someone else's POP server. All you need is something like fetchmail (postfix will do it too) to retrieve the mail. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Password
> So Joe HaX0r can't crack your system. I guess Mandrake figures that the odds > that some hax0r will break into your house to boot up the computer isn't that > great, so it provides the failsafe as a convinence. You may be right.
Re: [newbie] Password
> Can't he boot from something like Tom's root boot, and delete the file > containing the encrypted passwords, and then log into Mandrake as "Linux 1" Can't say with Linux. Didn't see what Tom suggested but anything I've seen him suggest has worked for me so his record is a lot better than mine:-) If I had to make a call in this case, anyone who's decided to "trick" the system during installation by trying to enter no passwords just might have screwed up a bunch of other stuff so I'd recommend a clean install myself. But I don't know the details of this situation. Cheers --- Larry
RE: Re: [newbie] Password
> >That's probably because Larry and some others are using LILO >to login into linux. In Grub you have that failsafe option. > I hope this make sense. Uhm...there's a failsafe (simple) mode set up with LILO as well. I guess I'm confused as you guys talk as though you don't understand the idea of passwords. If you can get into your Linux box by simply booting and selecting failsafe without a password, what's the point of passwords at all? Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Password
> > Um... if he/she can't log in, I'm not sure this will fly... :-) > > hello i have had to do this!!! and it does work if she is in single > user mode to change the password! The thing is, to get logged into single user mode you have to provide the root password. So you're right, if you're there, you can change passwords. But Greg's also correct that you still need to know the password. What he's suggesting is that it's possible that the install set up root without a password. Not a good idea in any case but, as he suggests, it's the only possiblility given the way the install was done. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] erk! mandrake71-inst.iso and mandrake72-ext.isocompatability
> What does the extras disc have on it anyway? There are 300+ packages on it. IF you're only running a simple workstation you should be able to install 7.1 without it. > And, when I setup 7.1, cant I update it with the mandrake update thingey to > 7.2 ans then run the 7.2 extras disc? Sure...but that's going to require, pretty much, a complete download as with the major shift in interface most applications need to be recompiled. Truth is, you're probably better off running 7.1 right now. Do an install with your 7.1 iso and see if it makes you happy. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] re:7.2 stuff
> Thanks a lot I found it... they ought to really list it on the front ... oh > well > Anybody got some good links on where to get free linux books (download) or > documentation projects that are not too broad. I've already got the LNAG, www.oreilly.com They have a lot of their books online. > MUO, and Que's special edition running linux. Maybe we can organize a list > of free downloadable books, any addidtions would be great (but remember not This is one of those "we"s where you want someone else to do it :-) > just anything - up to date and for newbies -more or less) Tell me what you > think... ..that documentation for pretty much anything having to do with Linux is available on the web. > You guys really need to redo your homepage and make it more friendly to > people considering to get LM, and use mandrakeforum.com as the main site > for news and stuff. But while you're at it you must keep your page more up > to date, I mean imagine what a prospective buyer thinks if he hears that > 7.2 has been released and that it's absolutely fabulous; then he goes to > your page for more info and according to you 7.1 is the latest ... Remaining informed is somewhat a pre-requisite for making critical statements like this, no? I guess not. It's been clearly stated here and elsewhere that 7.2 is just now being made available in any form other then the beta form. Thus, the Mandrake website (which is typically VERY much up to date) is reflecting the current situation quite well. > Oh yeah... and you guys at Mandrakesoft should really consider selling the > distro (in all forms) yourself, I'd gladly (And I've heard other people say > this) pay more if I knew that it was going to the development... Where are you getting your information? While I've got some problems with what's available, Mandrake is available in more forms than you can shake a stick at. Choose the package you want and buy one. That website you were criticizing has lots of information on all the packages. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] re:7.2 stuff
> > Maybe Larry or Tom could explain what the best way to setup 7.2 > > would be, either update what you have or clean install? Tom may provide guidance but I'm afraid you don't want to follow me :-) I've got 7.2 installed but I've got to boot it off a floppy because something goes nuts during the LILO load if I boot off the HD drive. Oddly, the video works fine once X has started. Must have to do with the new goofy LILO graphics or their new graphical boot display that I have yet to see :-) I also cant get WPO2000's font server running with 7.2. In fact, as far as I can tell, it doesn't even get installed for some reason. I'm just too dumb to keep up with these constant changes so I'll stick with 7.1 so I can get some work done :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] 7.2
> I'm not from MandrakeSoft, but here is what Deno said on Mandrakeforum.com > (best site for Mandrake news and discussions...): No doubt there's good stuff there. The format, however, makes it painfully slow to move through it and I have to make a living so I'm Linux-overloaded right now. Thanks for the info - I sure don't mind second-hand info :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] 7.2
> Larry, the same questions been asked on the cooker list. So > far the consensus is that 7.2 final is the latest beta with about a > dozen rpm patch level upgrades, Linuxconf, DHCD, and some locales. > My take is that the last beta == 7.2 final for all practical > purposes. Thanks Tom...that will save me a download :-) Are you still running 7.2 as your working system? What do you think in general? Cheers --- Larry
RE: Re: [newbie] 7.2
> Well, according to Deno from Mandrakeforum.com. There is no > way that it's out to retail yet since it wasn't release until > early this morning. This would seem "odd" as they told us that it wouldn't be released until the 28th and I wouldn't expect that Walmart would have it before it was available on the mirrors. As Carrol suggests, maybe they're selling some sort of beta diskset. If so, I wouldn't want to be the marketing guys at Mandrake as this whole thing of "beta" vs "release" is not something that the general public understands and it'll only put a bad taste in their mouth. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] 7.2
> Maybe I'm missing something here. Yesterday an article was posted at the > Linux Mandrake site saying that they are in the final stages of putting > 7.2 together. Linked to it are several forums where they are soliciting If it's the Oct 27th blurb that heads the Mandrake news board, I think that "next version" is a version beyond 7.2. Since Oct-12th the beta has been "stable" in the sense that they've said they weren't adding anything more to it and would only be fixing bugs. It's also been stated a while ago that they were going to be burning their distribution disks. > user comments on what should/should not be included. Based on that, my > take is that Walmart is selling the most recent (final?) beta, and that > the retail version is still down the road. The only other posting on the If it's a shrinkwrapped package I doubt that Mandrake is calling it a beta...in fact I know they wouldn't. It may still be one but we can only hope that this Microsoft attribute doesn't trickle into the Linux world, though I believe it has. > LM home page concerning 7.2 is the 09/22 announcement that 7.2 Beta 3 is > available for downloading. (I'm not the only person who went to the LM Yes...but that beta3 was updated on October 12th. It's becoming harder and harder to keep up with the "dynamics" of all this distro stuff and you have to look closely. > Slightly off-topic, but for those of us who've been buying the Macmillan > packages, will that arrangement still continue? Well, Carrol...from now on I'm going to get my disks either by downloading or from CheapBytes as Mandrake seems to feel that it makes sense to market their products without both of the iso images as part of the package. Doesn't make sense to me but it's their decision to make. I've been buying them and almost forcing people I've been helping locally to buy them because I thought we should support the effort. But I can just as easily download the two isos and then I end up with all the development stuff I need to compile programs I download. For some this may not be an issue but I don't see why I should pay for the privilege of having 300+ fewer packages I would if I'd just get the two iso disks. I hate to say that as I believe that if we don't support these companies we're all going to lose but geez... Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] 7.2
> 7.2 final just began showing up on Mandrake ftp mirrors late > yesterday (10/27). The cheap CD sites will prob'ly have it > available in a day or two. The retail box sets will more likely be > two weeks. Can someone from Mandrake tell us whether the release version is any different from the Oct12th beta version? Cheers -- Larry
Re: [newbie] Best to use RPMs ???
> I've got the mag right in front of me and duh! forgot to list the mag name > (the shame, the horror, the FLAMES I'LL GET...) Feeling the heat (grin)? > sorry, it's the Nov 2000 issue of Linux Journal ... Great...My Oct issue is only a couple weeks old so it should show up soon. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Java Install for Star Office 5.2
> Since I got no reply, I assumed no > one knew. I have it up and > running now and it actually turns > out to be fairly straight forward. Thanks for the "keeper" msg. Since you're working on SO, have you figured out how to convert TT fonts to Adobe and get them into SO? Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Best to use RPMs ???
> In the Nov 2000 on page 38 is an article titled: "Where to Install My > Products on Linux?". Mike...what magazine are you referring to here? I've heard about the FHS but have yet to see the standard in document form. > According to the FHS ver1 (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) you would expect > to find acroread in /opt/Acroread4.0/bin (with symlink maybe to /opt/bin > where /opt/bin is added to PATH), it's man page in /opt/Acroread4.0/man1 I suppose I'd need to read the standard to understand the rationale for using symlinks here (why not just put the executable in /opt/bin and stuff any accessory files in Acroread4.0) but at least this would allow us to set up a separate /opt partition so that our app installations wouldn't clutter up the OS partitions. > That article is actually very useful for developers and sysadmins as it > leads you through a sample install of "whizbang-1.2.3.i386.rpm" a fictional > package and even discusses the .spec file needs. Would love to hunt it down. We get our magazines a bit later here in Quebec so maybe, by the time you tell me what mag it is, I'll be able to pick it up. > But you are correct...very few developers or distro vendors pay more than > lip service to the FHS and wonder why packages step all over each > other...(sigh). This really seems odd to me as it's hard to understand why the app developers would care. It seems, however, that the distro guys would push for this kind of standardization and yet they're sticking all kinds of stuff in /usr/bin that the developers are putting elsewhere. If they're going to change its location they could just as easily put into the FHS location. If I were running a distro company and claiming I wanted world domination I'd sure be standardizing how applications are handled and where they are located. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] uninstalling packages
> How do I uninstall a package?? > How do I know which packages are installed in a system?? > Did anyone know of any How-To uninstall packages document?? Jesse, I just load up kpackage (as root). This will give you a list of rpm packages on your system. Clicking on the ones you want to uninstall, followed by pressing the uninstall button, will do what you want. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Best to use RPMs ???
> Sounds like RedHad changed the install dir in their distribution, and then the > developers RPM put it in their intended place which gave you two copies. > > If the code is something which Mandrake shipped on their install CD, then > generally they do a good job maintaining their MDK files which you can access > from the MandrakeUpdate program. It also knows what are the suppported packages Mike, there are some similar problems in Mandrake (which would exist if the same developer RPMs were used with Red Hat). A good deal of the problem lies in the distro folks deciding that some of the third party stuff they're distributing is part of the operating system, not a "local install" application. Netscape is a case in point. Both RH and LM install it in /usr/bin. A default install from the developer put its in /opt/netscape. "Typically" such programs should be in /usr/local/bin but the Linux community seems unsettled in this regard. Why is unclear as the descriptions of what the directories /usr/local/bin and /usr/bin are for is stated loud and clear even within books that are explicitly about Linux. The developers don't seem to be reading these books either which is probably what drives the distros to try to solve the problems. One would expect, in a pure Unix interpretation, for Acrobat reader to be installed in /usr/local/bin. The reason is that acroread would then be on the default path set up in all Linuxes. But Adobe doesn't see it that way and instead sticks it in /usr/local/bin/Acroread4.0 (at least the rpm I had did this). > which need to be updated for the package you choose. For example, I wanted to > see if SAMBA 2.0.7 fixed my Win2K client problems, ran Mandrake update, > selected the SAMBA files, and the update program found package requirements > about three levels deep - PAM, C, and some other stuff. In short, I had SAMBA > up and running in just a couple hours after a clean install of Mandrake 7.1 - > very nice! SAMBA is an app that's easy to consider as part of the networking package of Linux. Thus there should not be any problems. It seems that the problem comes with programs that are applications where there are many choices (eg - browsers). The one(s) chosen by the distro to be included are often dumped into /usr/bin rather than where their developers have them set up. In the end, I haven't seen any differences between LM and RH in this regard (experience limited to RH6.2 and LM7.0, 7.1, 7.2). Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] help! lock up when local printer setup
> > Using DrakConf and Printer Configuration, when I add a > new print queue with a Printer Configuration that is > "local printer" the system freezes. > > Any hints? How can I setup local printer manually? Edit the /etc/printcap file. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Unpacking tar.gz files
> > I have a default install of Mandrake 7.1 I downloaded a program > that I want to install in tar.gz format. KDE lets me view the > contents, but when I try to move these files to a new location for > installation, I get the following error: Maybe if you opened the tar file you could move them :-) Try: tar xvzf filename.tar.gz and see what happens. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Dupes
> Everything I send to this newslist (using kmail on Mandrake 7.1-kde) appears > twice. Could it be something onh my end? I believe if you do a "reply to all", two copies get sent to newbie. Cheers -- Larry
Re: [newbie] FAT partitions
> I used partition magic and its fine, granted you will probably have to > reboot in safemode to uninstall partition magic as it locks itself into a > loop. Also youll need to edit the autoexec.bat and config.sys as my machine Huh? I've never had Partition Magic lock up on me. These days, however, I run it from a floppy, though and Windows isn't even running. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Dupes
> I'm not sure if one can download the mail from one's ISP's mail server to > a dir on their system and then pickup that mail using Netscape Messenger > for reading. I've wondered about this and I can't see why it couldn't be > done, however, I have a feeling that making it happen would be a > nightmare. It seems happiest sending and receiving directly. I have to say that 4.75 has worked flawlessly for the past two days. > This is really odd behavior for Pine. I've never seen it duplicate > messages like this before. At least it hasn't happened at all for me yet. Wish I could say the same. The thing that made me realize that it was a Pine problem is that when it happens it happens in all folders in identical fashion. This is coming to you from Pine :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Dupes
> The reason for my question was to see if procmail would do that. I > continue to use Netscape because I try to separate my normal email According to Mark it does but I've never done anything with procmail. I'm able to filter conferences with typical move filters within all these programs. It might be better with procmail when using Pine but I have no experience here. > Ideally I'd like a graphical mail client which allows multiple > usernames. What do you mean "multiple usernames?" If you mean that you have multiple mail names I'm sure this wouldn't be a problem using the standard processing tools within Linux as you can tell these programs where the user account is for an inbound address. It would seem a simple matter to point those multiple accounts at the same place in much the same way as I point root mail to my personal account. Check the postfix aliases file. I've looked at several which say they do this but have yet to find one > that does it the way I'm used to. I used Eudora until a few months > ago and devised an easy way to do just that. I miss Eudora :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Dupes
> To do so place the mouse cursor over the place in pine where > the text cursor is and click the middle mouse button. The > selected text will appear at the cursor position in pine. > > The reverse of this also works for pasting from pine to apps > running in KDE. You and Mark Weaver have made my day. It took me a bit to follow this advice as i don't have a middle mouse button but I've got it and can happily return to using Pine (so I can sort out my double-msg problems :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Dupes
> I'm not sure if that's possible. I'm not sure what in the message you don't think is possible so I can't comment on this. > Although I have been wondering about that > myself. Fetchmail gets the mail from the ISP and passes passes the mail > off to procmail who then filters the messages and deposits them to their > prescribed destination. Those that are destined for my "Inbox" get > deposited in /var/spool/mail/$USER. Other messages that are defined in > .procmailrc are place in their respective folders in $HOME/mail where Pine > reads them. Here, however, I think you're presuming too much. There are many ways to skin this cat and procmail is only one of them. I don't even have procmail setup and yet filter inbound mail heavily. This could be part of my problem when using Pine (as you've suggested) but it will filter/distribute mail to a number of folders without even a hint of .procmailrc in my home directory. Netscape doesn't even deal with standard mailrouting and everything gets dumped into ~/nsmail which holds the folders. The problem I've seen with Pine has something to do with Pine's operation, not inbound mail in my view. I suspect that it has to do with how the eXpunge command purges its buffer. If I don't leave Pine loaded all the time I don't have the problem. If I do, I can delete msgs and all of a sudden I can have as many as 3 copies of the same bunch of msgs back in the mail folders. Since my normal operation is to D all msgs as I read them (except for those I want to keep which are filed into other folders) followed with an X before leaving the folder, these complete replica sets of the msgs I'd read a couple hours previously (and they're in the same order as they were when I read them) is easy to see. Cheers -- Larry
Re: [newbie] Dupes
> The "dup" messages are coming primarily from the mailing list server at > Mandrakesoft. I would have thought that too except that I've spent the last 3 days without a single dupe msg in this conference. How about you? I'm using Netscape 4.75 now - I used Pronto on the first of those 3 days. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Dupes
> I...err actually use Windows and IE5.5 for my mail, but I only get > duplicate mail from mail groups, never duplicates of any mail sent directly > to me. And sometimes the duplicates will be missing the header or similar. Now that is odd. When I'm not using Pine I use Pronto or Netscape. It's rare for me to see a dupe in these two GUI programs. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Dupes
> Huh? Are we talking about the same Pine here? When I attach a file to a > message all I do in Pine is place the cursor beside the atrtachment > header, preses CTRL T which then goes to another screen within the Pine > windows already open where I can navigate to the file that I wish to Sometimes it DOES pay to make a fool of yourself. Somehow I'd missed that feature Mark. That will come in handy if I ever go back to Pine. Unfortunately, the lack of cut/paste is the big problem for me. The only way for me to take a block of text from a document I'm working on and send it to the client is to: 1) Cut/paste that document into a seperate window in the word processor 2) Save it as a text file 3) Load it into the Pine msg space 4) Delete the text file. I'm using Netscrape again (this time 4.75 which seems much more stable) and this same problem is solved with a direct cut/paste. Got any solutions to that (grin)? Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Crashed Fetchmail
> Hi all, I was trying to set up kmail and it crashed linux. tried to > reboot and got a kernel panic. I know my /home directory is still on > the hdc6 partition and swap is still there but have no idea how to get > back to being able to boot. I tried to do a upgrade hoping to write > back the files lost, but that tells me i don't have enough room on my If it's not a big problem for you, I'd recommend that you do a clean install and just tell it not to reformat your /home partition. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Windows 98 Defrag and Linux Partitions
> So a hardware problem would be completely missed by SMART and a clean FULL > format and a thorough scandisk and a defrag that results in erasing the > linux partition? If your controller was acting up this could easily cause such a problem. > I would love to know how a hardware error would result in only wiping out > the linux partition and leaving the windows one fully intact with no errors > or anything. I wasn't part of the first round of this and certainly don't want to argue with you about this. But consider that your Windows partition is the first partition on the drive. Its boot sector is at the head of the drive. Your Linux boot location is at a partition boundary. If that partition boundary isn't maintained properly, it and your Linux book code could easily get overwritten and yet not affect the operation of Windows. Unless you've got your Windows drive completely full, it's likely that you can go into your partition table and truncate your Windows partition by a few meg and it won't have any affect on the operation of Windows. Expanding it by even a little bit will destroy your access to Linux. > Yet Linux can be reinstalled and work *perfectly* without *ever* crashing or > generating a single error on that same partition that the windows defrag so > kindly removed for me. Yep...you do a new installation, it identifies a location for the boot info, puts it there and it works...until you set some program loose that will do some writing at that partition boundary. Just a thought...have you compared the exact sizes of partitions given you by both Linux and DOS utilities? Do they agree in terms of start/end points? Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Dupes
> yeah...you do have a point there. Although I have done it in the past, > Pine doesn't do cut/paste very well at all. Attachments on the other hand > don't seem to be too bad. Agreed, though having to open another window to figure out the filename I need to attach, followed by having to type in the path and filename isn't what I'd call a good competitor with point and click alternatives. > Now, if I can just get this darn kernel to do what I want it to!. You are a better man that I. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Dupes
> I haven't had to worry with duplicate messages from the list since I > started using Pine and Procmail full time as my email client. Pine is the > reader, Procmail does the filtering, fetchmail does the mail getting from > the server. Such a nice combination. So neat...so clean...so easy. Spoken like a guy who doesn't need to cut/paste stuff into messages or do a lot of file attachments (grin). I agree that it's a clean mailreader (though I've got dupe problems that don't relate to inbound mail dupes). But the nature of my work requires that I regularly drop stuff into msgs and attach files and Pine is just downright clumsy relative to any GUI-based mailtool in both of these respects. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Dupes
Rod Baxter wrote: > > You are not the only one! Its not consisent and sometimes the duplicate > messages arrive up to 24 hours later. > Anyone know why?? Are you using Pine? I have this problem every time I use it. It's not that two copies are hitting the inbox, it has something to do with how Pine filters are working or how the expunge command is working. The minute I try any other mailer the problem goes away. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Hmmmmmm...no ipchains support!
> Ok...so I was a little rambunxious. The kernel IS running and I can > connect to the net through ppp, however for some odd reason I'm unable to > configure anything for ipchains. The kernel is 2.4-test9. Anyone have any > ideas as to how this can be enabled in the configuration? Congrats on getting it compiled. Wish I could help but I've promised myself not to climb that far out on the bleeding edge. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Browsers
Dennis Myers wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/18/2000 12:25:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > much better than the Netscape fonts (which I can not get to change) that > I think I will use Mozilla to browse and Netscape for mail, until I can > figure out how to get Kmail to work without crashing. So to make a long > story short, Larry was right the mail feature is the goo that slows > everything down. Along those lines, I took advice given here and upgraded Netscape 4.73 to 4.75 and it seems to be well worth the small effort involved as it's made Netscape much more stable if the past 24h is any indication. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] g++ compiler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> This fails under a standard, developer installation of LM 7.1. Go figure. >> I just don't know what they're thinking. > They're thinking desktop (as in Windon't desktop) not hobbiest or > programmer. Yet hobbiest is the level needed to configure the system for use > (configure cards, X resolution & desktop configuration, etc.). I suppose you're right Gary but providing a c compiler without printf in the library doesn't make that compiler very useful. This is what they're doing with the c++ compiler. It's like giving you a computer without a keyboard :-) Cheers --- Larry
[newbie] iostream existence in Mandrake
Given that I lost 4h this morning doing 4 different installs of Linux I thought I'd give an accounting of what I found regarding the ANSI C++ library. Unfortunately I no longer have my earlier 7.1 disks (where the problem all started as I gave that package to a friend. A quick recap of that, however. I installed 7.1 from the disk that came with Maximum Linux. I found that the ANSI C++ library wasn't on my system. In looking around I found that the actual library is called libstdc++ and should reside with the other libraries in /usr/lib. John Rye took the time to tell me that the include files should be in /usr/include/g++. I gave my old disk away because I recently bought a copy of 7.1 Complete. This particular copy can be identified from earlier releases of 7.1 as it now includes Star Office 5.2 and some other stuff which are marked with "New" on the box. I did an expert install and included EVERYTHING in the development section. I can report that there was a single file listed under C++ and it's description said that it was the compile but that the ANSI library was not part of that package.. All of this was verified as being true when I checked at the end of the distribution...no ANSI C++ library in this copy of 7.1 Last night I downloaded the Oct 12th version of Ulysses which is supposed to be the final (except for bug fixes) that we're going to see on the market at 7.2. This is a newer version than the original Sept 22 version. I burned some isos and did some installs. This version still gives me garbage as LILO should be starting but if I boot from the floppy I get the graphical LILO interface and once in LM the video works fine. I don't know what that means and it's not relevant to the C++ quest. When I did a normal install there is no ANSI C++ library in the resultant installation. An interesting thing that I realized only in hindsight is that I didn't remember being asked if I wanted developer, workstation, or server as we've been asked in the past. So, I did another install, this time in expert mode. They seemed to have fixed the network card lookup as not only did it find it, it let me configure rp-pppoe during the installation. Because they're using CUPs and Gimp-print there's a lot more printer support as well. This version also identifies my sound card properly and actually installs it. Previous versions seemed to know what it was but I always had to run sndconfig to get it work. Again, this doesn't have anything todo with C++ but I thought I'd mention some of these nice additions Once into package selection I'm greated with several C++ packages, including the ANSI C++ library. Yippee!!! What's interesting is that the result following installation is that libstdc++ is right where I expect it but in /usr/include there are two, apparently identical directories (at least at the filename level) called g++-2 and g++-3 that include the ANSI header files. Lo and behold, C++ programs will compile under this installation. What I'd REALLY like to understand is why some of you have iostream in 7.1 and others do not. This somewhat confirms my view that all versions of versions aren't equal. Those different iso sizes do have meaning methinks. Thanks to all who provided assistance. I'm hoping I don't have to do another install for a while...Oh...did I mention that in the process I screwed up my working installation so I had to reinstall it as well :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] g++ compiler
> Hrmmm I was going to say all I did was install the developer > installation but I do remember selecting packages as well and also > installed any rpms that included dev in them =o\ didn't realize they > didn't do it by default > for a second there I thought I typed something wrong =o) If you go through the expert install it shows you that they do install the c++ compiler by default. That's what's so odd as the blurb associated with it explicitly says that the c++ compiler package doesn't include the ANSI library. I've been told elsewhere that the reason for this is that the ANSI library is maintained separately. Still, you'd think that if they're going to include the compiler they'd include the library. What's even more wierd is that some folks (maybe everyone but me and the few other guys who have asked about it) has them on their system. I'll take another look. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] g++ compiler
> > /usr/include/g++-2/iostream > /usr/include/g++-2/iostream.h > /usr/include/g++-2/stdiostream.h > /usr/include/g++-3/iostream > /usr/include/g++-3/iostream.h > /usr/include/g++-3/stdiostream.h Sure makes sense that they should exist there but they don't on my installation. There's no libstdc++ in /usr/include/lib either. I'm really not sure what that means as my current installation (a new install to see if I could fix this as it seemed odd) comes from a late issue of the 7.1 commercial package. Thanks much for at least letting me know they're not supposed to be in some odd place in Linux. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] g++ compiler
> /* Sample code - Hello World to test g++ */
>
> #include
>
> int main()
> {
> cout << "Hello World" << endl;
> return 0;
> }
This fails under a standard, developer installation of LM 7.1. Go figure.
I just don't know what they're thinking.
Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] g++ compiler
> This is probably a silly question but how do you get the g++ compiler to > work ? Im not getting any errors Im just not sure how to use the program. You execute "g++ great_program.cpp" from the commandline. For any programming project other than something trivial, though, you'll likely call it from a makefile. "How do you use make", you ask. I recommend that you get a basic book on C++ programming and it'll discuss some of this stuff. The specifics of GNU make can be had either via web site descriptions, the OReilly Press book on using GNU tools or by digging through the man pages on these tools. You can call all this stuff from tools like emacs as well > Im going to college in january and would like to get a head start on > things. Im using mandrake 7.0. My prefered environment is enlightenment. Then start reading and compiling some of the examples. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] This is friggin stupid!
> Is there a compilable kernel anywhere on this planet that will not bail What compiler are you using Mark? You recommended that I download Quanta and I did. The compile blew up telling me that I don't have iostream (that's how I realized that I don't have the basic C++ library). I've noticed that these were added to 2.95-2 (I think that's the one). I'm assuming you had no such compile problems so I wonder why. > In file included from /usr/include/errno.h:36, > from scripts/split-include.c:26: > /usr/include/bits/errno.h:25: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory Looks to me that this is the beginning of the fall. The question is why you don't have that. I just checked it and I've got it from a standard 7.1 developer install. You aren't using 2.96 are you? It's available, RedHat's included it in their v7.0, but it won't compile the supplied kernel code. > cp loop.o nbd.o rd.o /lib/modules/2.4.0-test9/kernel/drivers/block/ > cp: loop.o: No such file or directory > cp: nbd.o: No such file or directory > cp: rd.o: No such file or directory So where are they? Have they been compiled or did their compile fail too? Wish I could help but I haven't played with rebuilding the Linux kernel. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Browsers
> or downloading softwareThe lynx and its later version links(which I use > with a great deal of comfort) are real great browsers.it would be great > it some peeps started using it and stayed away from browsers - each of whom > "create" "new" "standards". I'm a commandline junkie, preferring it to all other means for dealing with text. That said, I think there's a chink in the armour of the text-based browser idea. It is that there is a lot of stuff on the web that IS graphics...the information IS the picture(s). Given that, a text-based browser simply means you have to learn two. It forces you to deal with questions like "Which one do I have Pine call when I tap on a URL?" and other similar questions. I admit that I've spent only a couple hours running around, looking at the world through the eyes of Lynx. But with that limited background, I don't see much advantage to it over even Netscape, which I REALLY don't like. Bookmark use isn't nearly as fluid, the visuals that let you know where you are on sites aren't nearly as useful. It's like shopping at the mall while looking through a toilet paper roll in my view :-) I'm probably lost and bewildered though as I prefer Pine to everything else I've seen for email in Linux and spend more time in a konsole window than any other place except for my word process (and I'm not going back to a text markup language either). Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Linux question
> The most time consuming but exacting choice is the expert install. On > the screen where you choose package groups there will be a small button at > the bottom of the window to "choose individual" programs. The help screen > below says something about individually choosing from over 1000 program > packages--and they're not kidding! You will have an information screen Doesn't this overstate the situation? It takes me only a few minutes to run through that list, unmarking the things I don't want and marking a couple that I do want added. Most of the stuff is already pre-marked for install so most of those 1000 packages need no attention. Pretty easy to say "I want C & C++ packages but don't need Fortran." Since the C & C++ are already turned on, you take care of those 15-20 packages with a single click that causes the Fortran packs to be skipped. The problem comes when guys want to start picking and choosing among system files, most of which they don't know what their function is :-) > Linux Mandrake 7.1 selected using the spacebar (if I remember right), but > 7.2 has check boxes. The selection area was out of view to the right on my > screen, scrolling may be necessary to find the boxes so that you can select > them. Allow an hour to an hour and a half to read through and select what If you're a newbie you shouldn't be deleting that close to the bone in my view. If you want to eliminate games, developer kits, and applications, fine. Anything requiring careful reading is best left until you're not a newbie and by then you know the names of most of those system packages. Just another view. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Acrobat install error
> Would it also give this method if it were trying to install when the > program was already there? I had a similar error and guessed that to be the > cause. -Gary- I just finished suggesting that and I think you're right. It's unclear to me why this program is stuck in /usr/local/Acrobat4 rather than in /usr/local/bin as it really makes it clumsy to operate it. This is one of the things I really DON'T like about Linux and rpms. You give up control over application location and there doesn't seem to be any adherence to any standard locations on the part of the distros or by the app developers. I've heard that there's a set of "Linux standard base" (I think) but I don't see much evidence of it. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Browsers
> << > One of the things I see regularly is people's unfamiliarity with > beta-test software, both in terms of expectations and interpretations. I > guess it is pretty unique for most people working in Windows to see true > beta-apps with all their trace code, dead code, etc. still hanging inside > them. With Windows you get to beta-test after you buy it and the bloat > there is more a matter of programming taste than anything else. > > >> > Hey! Wadda u mean, Larry? You get to BUY betas to test with Micro$oft! > And then buy it again (it's now "the product") and do it again! Why buy the > same product only once? Capitalism to the extreme [the wrong extreme that > is]. -Gary- I think I said that Gary. But what seems to get to people coming from a world of commercial-only software is that there are real reasons why code in development should run more poorly than it would if all the extra code was removed. Rather than saying to themselves, "Oh...this is beta, I expect it to be slow and big" they say "Ooo yuck, this is a horrible program; it's slow and big." Maybe all Linux beta software should be released with the statement "This is a beta; it will be slow and big. We're just trying to make you Windows users feel at home." :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Acrobat install error
> > Thanks for the reply. I should have mentioned that I was root > when I tried it. I tried again but no joy. Have to admit I'm a little > frustrated trying to get linux setup. Can't seem to get kde running > either. Hmmm...sounds like you've got all kinds of problems. I've done at least a dozen installations of Linux (several flavors) and haven't had any major problems except for on my HP machine, which is one of those "package it up so we can sell it cheap" machines and it's got a bunch of HP OEM video stuff and a Winmodem in it. Getting the video functioning took a bit and there's nothing I can do about the winmodem. Just for kicks, why don't you go to /usr/local and see if you can find the Acrobat4 directory. If it's there, check to see if acroread is there. It could be that the error was generated because the file is already there. Why the Acrobat script doesn't put that executable in /usr/local/bin is beyond me but because it doesn't, the executable isn't on your path so you wouldn't even know it was there. Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] Browsers
> I had tried the tar file on Opera and got a dump due to unexpected EOF. So > that didn't work for me. And I do understand that beta may load slower but > what I am seeing is after it loads and is running, if I change screens to go > to say "mail" it takes about 5 times longer to bring up the mail screen, > same thing in doing changes of URLs or any move in an existing screen. Is > that common with a beta? It's like my computer has gone into slow motion. ...oh...we're talking mail. Then I'll produce an even stronger view than youMail doesn't work in Mozilla. I also found (as you> that if I opened a mail window everything ground to a halt on the browser side. That said, I'm downloading with it as I write this in Pine and it's working fine. I want to get the latest and greatest 7.2beta before I make my decision to switch back to Red Hat. Mandrake seems to be losing site of some things. Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] LM install going from bad to worse... Help!!
> I have a cool program called Efdisk. It can create ext2fs partitions of any > size. You interested? What do you use it for Chris? Sorry to be so dumb but why do you need a special program for this? Aside from that, my comments are leveled at an installation program that should be doing all this stuff without previous setup by the user. How would you run your program if Linux wasn't installed and you were a Mac user who decided to buy into the notion that Linux on a PC might be a worthy pursuit? This was the context of my msg. Here's the deal. Linux Mandrake is currently shipping with a BIG envelope that has all sorts of proprietary, single-use license stuff written all over it. Inside that envelope is a CD that includes a whole bunch of open source software as well as some proprietary demo software. The reason for the envelope, however, is that on that CD is Partition Magic and LM is using that in their installation as well. I find it unfortunate that they're willing to confuse open source apps with proprietary apps in this way but they have to accommodate Power Quest I'm sure. Given that they're willing to muddy the waters, they should use the darn tools so that newbies shouldn't have to. And yet we have a guy here (Simon) who can't do an install with software that contains partition magic that's got all the power to take unallocated disk space and turn it into partitions. Doesn't make sense. The separate issue of them forcing me to agree to a single use license so that I can get access to things like Star Office is quite a separate one of course but if they feel that's worth the risk to include Partition Magic then they darn sure should use its advantages. Cheers --- Larry
[newbie] LM 7.2
Since nobody knows nuttin' about the C++ standard libary, I'll try another one. Tonight I decided to setup LM7.2 on another drive where I normally work with 7.1. Not problem in theory but a couple things popped up and I wonder if anyone else has had these problems. During the install 7.2 decided that it couldn't detect my ethernet card, though it's worked just peachy with 7.0 and 7.1. I'll work that out but it seems odd. More important, 7.2 LILO seems to be going graphical :-( and my machine doesn't seem to like that any more than I do. If I try to boot without a floppy, I get the most "interesting" screen of 1s and 0s that just scroll continously. This takes place BEFORE I get any boot choices so I'm assuming that it's dear old lilo that's providing this show. If I boot from the floppy I made during the installation I get a "nifty" red menu with linux as a single option and it boots me into 7.2 and all is well with the graphics. Anyone else see this? Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Acrobat install error
> I'm trying to install Acrobat 4.0 from a 7.0 cd. After Installing > platform dependent files I get the error "./INSTALL: ed: command > not found" ERROR installing /usr/local/Acrobat4/bin/acroread. Could it be that you're not root when you're doing this? It would be at the point that the install tried to actually place acroread that it would generate an error like that if you didn't have permission to write into /usr/local Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Browsers
> I have d/l'd Opera, Netscape 6, and Mozilla and find that I can not > install Opera due to wrong architecture, and the other two flow like If you want to try this, download the tar file instead. I dont know what's going on with their rpms but you've bumped into what's a common problem there. > molasses in January. They are so slow to load anything that I feel like > I have timewarped back to the good old dos days and booting with floppys Haven't wasted my time with NS6.0. It's true that Mozilla loads slowly. Truthfully, most betas will load more slowly (often by a lot) than true releases as they're bloated with developer code. On the other hand, who cares when it comes to a browser. Load it, stick into one of your windows and leave it there. > one found the fix for the wrong architecture thingy in Opera? I have See above. > are twitchy and crash frequently. I hope that the final releases are > better for speed in Linux than what I see now, or have I missed One of the things I see regularly is people's unfamiliarity with beta-test software, both in terms of expectations and interpretations. I guess it is pretty unique for most people working in Windows to see true beta-apps with all their trace code, dead code, etc. still hanging inside them. With Windows you get to beta-test after you buy it and the bloat there is more a matter of programming taste than anything else. > something in the install? Linux makes everything but the mozilla prog > run faster so something is amiss. Only your interpretation and expectations of beta software. Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] DHCP, Pump commands and Cable Modem Setup
> I saw Larry's post about PPPoE and it just depends on what your DSL service > is offering evidently not all offer PPPoE... Really? What are the alternatives? I thought the main thing that was allowing DSL to become reasonably priced was the simple pppoe approach. I'm also one of the dumbest guys on the planet when it comes to networking :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Opera Beta
> Bookmarks??? I thought they handled just fine. When I'm cleaning them up > and placing them in seperate folders I usually just cut and paste them > from one place to another. That's the same as I've always done with them Two things here Mark. First, I wrote that before I figured out that I can simply drag a URL from the URL window into any folder I want if I open the bookmark list in the tab bar. Read a msg today that says that right now you can't do that with the pulldown list but that you will ultimately be able to. > though. If I understand what you're saying it sounds a lot like the way > IE4 and IE5 handle bookmarks. Not at all. With IE you can not only choose what folder to put it in, you can see what got picked up from the html title block and change it if you want. All that cutting and pasting you're doing would drive me nuts. Too many bookmarks I suppose. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Can't install Mandrake 7.0
> I have not formatted the hard drive yet, Im expecting to be > given that option in the next window. I am *not* wanting a dual > boot system, Linux only!! > > Any ideas? Yes, run fdisk and delete all existing partitions. Then repeat the steps you've described. My guess is that your hard drive has a single DOS partition and LM install doesn't like to overwrite hallowed Windows ground. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] large hard disk
> That is why Linux-Mandrake developed GRUB, it does not have the problem with > 1024 cylinders Uhm...Linux-Mandrake didn't develop GRUB...it's a GNU program. Current versions of LILO don't care abut 1024 cylinders either. All this presumes that the BIOS is recent enough to deal with large drives. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] ? Arkeia backup utility
> On disk 5 of my mandrake deluxe package there is a program named Arkeia > backup utility. I looked on Arkeia's web pages and it appeared as if > this utility will backup to tapes only. Is that correct? Or have I > missed read the info about Arkeia. I wish to backup to a disk drive. > Will this utility backup to a disk drive? The October issue of Linux Journal reviews several backup utilities, including Arkeia. You are correct in determining that it is for tape backups, in fact, it assumes that you're doing it from one machine to another over a network, in client/server fashion. I'm not sure what you're trying to backup to a disk drive but you might consider using one or more of your basic Linux tools. For instance, you could simply create tar files and copy them to the other drive (or create them there). If you want to put actual, accessible file systems on the backup drive you can use tar like: *example presumes you're at the base of a tree you want backed up tar cf - / . | (cd /where_you_want_a_copy; tar xvf -) Someone here, can't remember who, uses cpio to do his backups to another drive. Cheers --- Larry
