[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For ........
4Or are you [so blind as to] trifle with and presume upon and despise and underestimate the wealth of His kindness and forbearance and long- suffering patience? Are you unmindful or actually ignorant [of the fact] that God's kindness is intended to lead you to repent ([a]to change your mind and inner man to accept God's will)? The above is the amplified version of Romans 2:4 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:10:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... at the risk of reigniting this issue on this board, that may be the greatest oversimplification of this situation I've seen. There are always two sides to every argument and they are rarely as simple as the good one and the bad one I don't want to re-ignite or fight old wars either. I did extensive research in 2006 and 2007 and posted the results and my sources to this group. The links below refer to just some of those in the archives. In the main, I didn't base my opposition to MSM's JSRM on perceived misstatements from SUFA nor on scripture which is easily misapplied. I hope they come through wingding-less and with screwed up formatting. If they do, it might be easier to simply type the message # in the search box on the main messages page. For example #1 below is message # 28804. Again, I'm not looking for a renewed interminable game of Whack-a- Mole here, Just providing the info I found for those who may still be interested. Detailed side-by side analyses: 1) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28804? threaded=1l=1 (contrasts 5 NJ homeless shelters) 2) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25733? threaded=1l=1 (contrasts between mediocre MSM and top rates Homeless Solutions) Other significant issues: 3) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/17353 (Analysis by disinterested parties) 4)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25274? threaded=1l=1 (tax exempts in AP) 5) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25756? threaded=1l=1 (transparency issues) 6) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25761? threaded=1l=1 (non-profits and disparities in homeless numbers in AP) 7) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25781? threaded=1l=1 (the competence issue) 8) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28805? threaded=1l=1 (disappearing data = no transparency) 9) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28808? threaded=1l=1 (police: âMission is not being truthful) 10) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28838? threaded=1l=1 (proliferation of bogus credentials) 11) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28850? threaded=1l=1 ( the revolving door keeps the exploiters in business) 12) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/29075? threaded=1l=1 (Cavalier about not checking records.) 13) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/29137? threaded=1l=1 (City suffers when the need for credentialed staff is scoffed at) **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol? redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html? ncid=emlcntusdown0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For ........
In a message dated 11/15/2008 9:43:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 4Or are you [so blind as to] trifle with and presume upon and despise and underestimate the wealth of His kindness and forbearance and long- suffering patience? Are you unmindful or actually ignorant [of the fact] that God's kindness is intended to lead you to repent ([a]to change your mind and inner man to accept God's will)? The above is the amplified version of Romans 2:4 === My amplified response. (Sorry group. I'll respond just this once.) Interesting to note that you presume to know precisely what that will is. Reminds me of Marjoe Gortner, the 3 Rev. Jims (Bakker, Swaggart, and Jones[town]), Father Charles Coughlin, Tony Alamo, (the fictional) Elmer Gantry, and dozens of others who wreaked havoc on so many innocents with such presumptions. I'll match my knowledge of scripture with anyone: 16 + years of Catholic school education; 30 + years studying and teaching literature from the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament, Islam, and other world religions. And after all that, I still admit to imperfect knowledge, as the scholars do. Especially important to me is the wisdom of 1) Judaic scholars for whom Questions are the Answer, and 2) Corinthians: When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish thingsFor now we see through a glass, darkly. Am I unmindful or actually ignorant? Judge not, lest thou be judged. See, anyone can quote scripture for his own purposes. Regarding your long history of baiting here, I've long run out of kindness and forbearance and long- suffering patience, and so my mail settings will now go back to ignoring your posts. = --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:10:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... at the risk of reigniting this issue on this board, that may be the greatest oversimplification of this situation I've seen. There are always two sides to every argument and they are rarely as simple as the good one and the bad one I don't want to re-ignite or fight old wars either. I did extensive research in 2006 and 2007 and posted the results and my sources to this group. The links below refer to just some of those in the archives. In the main, I didn't base my opposition to MSM's JSRM on perceived misstatements from SUFA nor on scripture which is easily misapplied. I hope they come through wingding-less and with screwed up formatting. If they do, it might be easier to simply type the message # in the search box on the main messages page. For example #1 below is message # 28804. Again, I'm not looking for a renewed interminable game of Whack-a- Mole here, Just providing the info I found for those who may still be interested. Detailed side-by side analyses: 1)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28804? threaded=1l=1 (contrasts 5 NJ homeless shelters) 2)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25733? threaded=1l=1 (contrasts between mediocre MSM and top rates Homeless Solutions) Other significant issues: 3) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/17353 (Analysis by disinterested parties) 4) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25274? threaded=1l=1 (tax exempts in AP) 5)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25756? threaded=1l=1 (transparency issues) 6)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25761? threaded=1l=1 (non-profits and disparities in homeless numbers in AP) 7)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25781? threaded=1l=1 (the competence issue) 8)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28805? threaded=1l=1 (disappearing data = no transparency) 9)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28808? threaded=1l=1 (police: “Mission is not being truthful) 10)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28838? threaded=1l=1 (proliferation of bogus credentials) 11)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28850? threaded=1l=1 ( the revolving door keeps the exploiters in business) 12)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/29075? threaded=1l=1 (Cavalier about not checking records.) 13)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/29137? threaded=1l=1 (City suffers when the need for credentialed staff is scoffed at) **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For ........
Fearing the poor isn't the problem. Fearing the desperate is. --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:31 PM SUFA taught me something I never expected to learn. Fear of the poor is quite possibly the ugliest human attribute there is. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For ........
Gabrielle, at the risk of reigniting this issue on this board, that may be the greatest oversimplification of this situation I've seen. There are always two sides to every argument and they are rarely as simple as the good one and the bad one --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SUFA taught me something I never expected to learn. Fear of the poor is quite possibly the ugliest human attribute there is. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For ........
I have to agree! For I was hungry and you gave me meat! I can't be on the side of people who would turn the poor and homeless out. I also can't tolerate those who make an industry out of it, either. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SUFA taught me something I never expected to learn. Fear of the poor is quite possibly the ugliest human attribute there is. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Yes, Indeed! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For ........
In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:10:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... at the risk of reigniting this issue on this board, that may be the greatest oversimplification of this situation I've seen. There are always two sides to every argument and they are rarely as simple as the good one and the bad one I don't want to re-ignite or fight old wars either. I did extensive research in 2006 and 2007 and posted the results and my sources to this group. The links below refer to just some of those in the archives. In the main, I didn't base my opposition to MSM's JSRM on perceived misstatements from SUFA nor on scripture which is easily misapplied. I hope they come through wingding-less and with screwed up formatting. If they do, it might be easier to simply type the message # in the search box on the main messages page. For example #1 below is message # 28804. Again, I'm not looking for a renewed interminable game of Whack-a-Mole here, Just providing the info I found for those who may still be interested. Detailed side-by side analyses: 1) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28804?threaded=1l=1 (contrasts 5 NJ homeless shelters) 2) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25733?threaded=1l=1 (contrasts between mediocre MSM and top rates Homeless Solutions) Other significant issues: 3) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/17353 (Analysis by disinterested parties) 4)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25274?threaded=1l=1 (tax exempts in AP) 5) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25756?threaded=1l=1 (transparency issues) 6) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25761?threaded=1l=1 (non-profits and disparities in homeless numbers in AP) 7) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25781?threaded=1l=1 (the competence issue) 8) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28805?threaded=1l=1 (disappearing data = no transparency) 9) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28808?threaded=1l=1 (police: “Mission is not being truthful) 10) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28838?threaded=1l=1 (proliferation of bogus credentials) 11) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28850?threaded=1l=1 ( the revolving door keeps the exploiters in business) 12) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/29075?threaded=1l=1 (Cavalier about not checking records.) 13) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/29137?threaded=1l=1 (City suffers when the need for credentialed staff is scoffed at) **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For ........
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabrielle, at the risk of reigniting this issue on this board, that may be the greatest oversimplification of this situation I've seen. There are always two sides to every argument and they are rarely as simple as the good one and the bad one Actually, when they were open, there were a couple always against the fence at the corner of Asvury ave and Mem. Then there were a couple at the corner of sunset and memorial. Then some others roaming around. For the most part - unkept, a couple with booze and in general not the best ad at the two main intersections in town. And I'm only passing through or coming in for something. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For ........
SUFA taught me something I never expected to learn. Fear of the poor is quite possibly the ugliest human attribute there is. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received word last night that Judge Lawson of the Freehold Superior Court rejected the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission's appeal against the decisions of the Asbury Park Zoning Board on ALL counts. I am waiting to get a copy of the Judge's decision. This is tremendous victory for the People of Asbury Park, the Zoning Board of Adjustments, the City and Stand Up For Asbury! More details to follow. Paul Vail if true, great news paul Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury!
Thank God. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received word last night that Judge Lawson of the Freehold Superior Court rejected the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission's appeal against the decisions of the Asbury Park Zoning Board on ALL counts. I am waiting to get a copy of the Judge's decision. This is tremendous victory for the People of Asbury Park, the Zoning Board of Adjustments, the City and Stand Up For Asbury! More details to follow. Paul Vail Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!
I think someone needs to buy mario a dictionary. Stand up for Asbury and magnanimity can't possibly be in the same post --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/26/2007 1:23:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This victory is an important milestone in our struggle to bring hope and opportunity to the residents of Asbury Park and to improve our quality of life much remains to be done to ensure that Asbury's neediest reap the benefits of these new opportunities... In victory, magnanimity. Thanks Paul. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!
In a message dated 10/27/2007 11:13:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think someone needs to buy mario a dictionary. Stand up for Asbury and magnanimity can't possibly be in the same post Sarcasm seems to be the last refuge after 2 1/2 years of agonizing deliberation and debate don't turn out the way some folks wanted. The vote was neither misanthropic nor cavalier regarding the plight of our homeless. The vote was about some rather esoteric legal questions: Who's in charge here? There was not one iota of mean-spiritedness in each of the zoning board members comments prior to their votes. Were you there to hear them? And that same spirit carried over to Paul's outreach, on behalf of SUFA, to the whole community. Magnanimous suits all their sentiments: eschewing resentment or revenge; unselfish. Now, try looking up demonizing, ad hominem, and false-choice fallacy in your dictionary. In a message dated 10/27/2007 11:13:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think someone needs to buy mario a dictionary. Stand up for Asbury and magnanimity can't possibly be in the same post --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ma In a message dated 10/26/2007 1:23:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This victory is an important milestone in our struggle to bring hope and opportunity to the residents of Asbury Park and to improve our quality of life much remains to be done to ensure that Asbury's neediest reap the benefits of these new opportunities. A In victory, magnanimity. Thanks Paul. Cordiali saluti, Mario ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Paul, good luck with your Cabanna club event. For goodness sake would you consider updating your web site. I just went there and your lead page has: Next Council Meeting May 16 Next Zoning Meeting May 23 It's September 19... today. Hope you have good weather. I do not agree with you on this issue, however I respect your right to have your opinion and to act on behalf of your beliefs. KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STAND UP FOR ASBURY! Cabana Club on the boardwalk 1000 Ocean Avenue 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. Stand Up For Asbury is holding a get together on the boardwalk this Sunday at the Cabana Club. The get together will serve as an information session ahead of next Tuesday's Zoning Board hearing. It will also be a great opportunity to meet many of the people who have worked so hard to defend Asbury's future. People like Carolyn Curtin, Jessica Tighe, Steve Ciceron, Frank Farrell, Shawn Jim Etienne, Sunday looks like it will be a glorious day to hit the boardwalk and beach so please make sure to drop by and see us. Bloody Maries, Mimosas and Nosh will be provided. We will have a variety of games and raffles to help raise money to pay our mounting legal fees. If anyone has any goods or services that can be donated to help us raise money please email me privately. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) If you cannot attend but would like to contribute to our legal fund please visit: www.standupforasbury.org and go to PAY PAL. Or send a check made out to: Stand Up For Asbury! P.O. Box 643 Asbury Park, NJ 07712 PLEASE FORWARD THIS POSTING TO ANYONE WHO MAY WANT TO STAND UP FOR ASBURY! Paul Vail 511 Second Avenue Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You must understand, kev, those with interests in AP believe that no one else has valid interest in AP. They don't need anyone cleaning the rose color off their goggles. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Actually it's not a cheap shot. Why don't you focus on Long Branch issues and stay out of ours. I sense nobody wants you in either place but you live there so they are stuck with you. I'll focus on what I wish to focus on, thank you very much. and you senses need an adjustment. kb Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I understand. I think the one issue that has some in a knot is the fact that the men in the shelter are released every day into the public streets. What they must understand is that the Federal Court made it illegal to keep them in for 24 hours a day. They are not to be in prisoned in the shelter. They are to be released every day in an attempt to secure work independent of the shelter and move on with their lives. I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had three options. Shelter, hospital or jail. He was not sick so the hospital wouldn't take him. He was not jailable - so he had no choice but to go to the shelter. He had 2 options there. Fort Monmouth or Asbury park. Fort Monmouth wouldn't take him, so he wound up in Asbury park. Now some of you who fight with me about what I have tried to do in Long Branch, open the shelter at Lighthouse here, well the irony of it is you support the few who have made it impossible to open a Long Branch shelter over the last 13 years, and you now have the Long Branch homeless in Asbury! So I decided because Mario asbury couple like to jump on me every chance they get, and because I have faith that MSM will do the proper job I have decided not ot provide shelter in the Long Branch project at all. Besides there is so much more to do in ministry. So as we all can see, what a man sows so shall he reap. Those of you in Asbury who have joined in with the Long Branch politicians in bad mouthing me for wanting to help the homeless here in Long Branch, you win, I'll refer them all to MSM in Asbury. Thanks for lightening my load. Blessings KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, icaruscriesfire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must understand, kev, those with interests in AP believe that no one else has valid interest in AP. They don't need anyone cleaning the rose color off their goggles. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Actually it's not a cheap shot. Why don't you focus on Long Branch issues and stay out of ours. I sense nobody wants you in either place but you live there so they are stuck with you. I'll focus on what I wish to focus on, thank you very much. and you senses need an adjustment. kb Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A CHEAP SHOT! I WAS HAVING A HEALTHY DIALOGUE FROM MY END, Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. You got it! I am referring everyone who turns to me for shelter to MSM. Enjoy the fruit of your harvest. I'll stick to preaching, and other ministerial matters. Praise The Lord! KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I don't think it's so much about bad mouthing you. You need to step back and think about the situation here in AP a little differently. Our city has had many more crime problems then LB, and for more then 30 years the city has been struggling. We residents have to cope with problems brought on by our homeless population, such as people sleeping in our parks, pan handlers at our convienience stores, homeless people using our parks etc. as open air bathrooms. Not only that, but many of these people come to AP with serious drug and alcohol problems, and AP is not the place to send somebody with a drug problem. There are plenty of drugs here, and plenty of dealers looking for new customers. One of my pet peeves with the drinking homeless people is that they don't seem to understand that there are these things called garbage cans to discard things in, so they just leave them anyplace, such as my lawn, or broken on somebodies sidewalk. Meanwhile, AP is trying to make a comeback. I think our growing homeless population is a threat to this. And please don't think the people of AP are without compassion, because that's not the case. Many of us are just plain fed up. That's not so hard to understand, is it? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand. I think the one issue that has some in a knot is the fact that the men in the shelter are released every day into the public streets. What they must understand is that the Federal Court made it illegal to keep them in for 24 hours a day. They are not to be in prisoned in the shelter. They are to be released every day in an attempt to secure work independent of the shelter and move on with their lives. I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had three options. Shelter, hospital or jail. He was not sick so the hospital wouldn't take him. He was not jailable - so he had no choice but to go to the shelter. He had 2 options there. Fort Monmouth or Asbury park. Fort Monmouth wouldn't take him, so he wound up in Asbury park. Now some of you who fight with me about what I have tried to do in Long Branch, open the shelter at Lighthouse here, well the irony of it is you support the few who have made it impossible to open a Long Branch shelter over the last 13 years, and you now have the Long Branch homeless in Asbury! So I decided because Mario asbury couple like to jump on me every chance they get, and because I have faith that MSM will do the proper job I have decided not ot provide shelter in the Long Branch project at all. Besides there is so much more to do in ministry. So as we all can see, what a man sows so shall he reap. Those of you in Asbury who have joined in with the Long Branch politicians in bad mouthing me for wanting to help the homeless here in Long Branch, you win, I'll refer them all to MSM in Asbury. Thanks for lightening my load. Blessings KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, icaruscriesfire icaruscriesfire@ wrote: You must understand, kev, those with interests in AP believe that no one else has valid interest in AP. They don't need anyone cleaning the rose color off their goggles. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Actually it's not a cheap shot. Why don't you focus on Long Branch issues and stay out of ours. I sense nobody wants you in either place but you live there so they are stuck with you. I'll focus on what I wish to focus on, thank you very much. and you senses need an adjustment. kb Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Jack, we've all been down the rational argument route with Kevin before. He is a typical God is on my side zealot who believes his point of view must be right and everyone who disagrees is against God. We all know how much trouble this attitude can get us in. He doesn't care about what's best for Asbury Park. He only cares about what's best for his personal agenda. Logic need not apply. So my new approach is to simply ignore him and hope he goes away. It worked for several others - as soon as we all stopped falling into the trap of stoking them on they got bored and left. Maybe he can stick with Long Branch - perhaps he can actually find 1-2 peole to follow him there rather than coming here and explain to us all how we should be living our lives and managing our city. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it's so much about bad mouthing you. You need to step back and think about the situation here in AP a little differently. Our city has had many more crime problems then LB, and for more then 30 years the city has been struggling. We residents have to cope with problems brought on by our homeless population, such as people sleeping in our parks, pan handlers at our convienience stores, homeless people using our parks etc. as open air bathrooms. Not only that, but many of these people come to AP with serious drug and alcohol problems, and AP is not the place to send somebody with a drug problem. There are plenty of drugs here, and plenty of dealers looking for new customers. One of my pet peeves with the drinking homeless people is that they don't seem to understand that there are these things called garbage cans to discard things in, so they just leave them anyplace, such as my lawn, or broken on somebodies sidewalk. Meanwhile, AP is trying to make a comeback. I think our growing homeless population is a threat to this. And please don't think the people of AP are without compassion, because that's not the case. Many of us are just plain fed up. That's not so hard to understand, is it? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: I understand. I think the one issue that has some in a knot is the fact that the men in the shelter are released every day into the public streets. What they must understand is that the Federal Court made it illegal to keep them in for 24 hours a day. They are not to be in prisoned in the shelter. They are to be released every day in an attempt to secure work independent of the shelter and move on with their lives. I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had three options. Shelter, hospital or jail. He was not sick so the hospital wouldn't take him. He was not jailable - so he had no choice but to go to the shelter. He had 2 options there. Fort Monmouth or Asbury park. Fort Monmouth wouldn't take him, so he wound up in Asbury park. Now some of you who fight with me about what I have tried to do in Long Branch, open the shelter at Lighthouse here, well the irony of it is you support the few who have made it impossible to open a Long Branch shelter over the last 13 years, and you now have the Long Branch homeless in Asbury! So I decided because Mario asbury couple like to jump on me every chance they get, and because I have faith that MSM will do the proper job I have decided not ot provide shelter in the Long Branch project at all. Besides there is so much more to do in ministry. So as we all can see, what a man sows so shall he reap. Those of you in Asbury who have joined in with the Long Branch politicians in bad mouthing me for wanting to help the homeless here in Long Branch, you win, I'll refer them all to MSM in Asbury. Thanks for lightening my load. Blessings KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, icaruscriesfire icaruscriesfire@ wrote: You must understand, kev, those with interests in AP believe that no one else has valid interest in AP. They don't need anyone cleaning the rose color off their goggles. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Actually it's not a cheap shot. Why don't you focus on Long Branch issues and stay out of ours. I sense nobody wants you in either place but you live there so they are stuck with you. I'll focus on what I wish to focus on, thank you very much. and you senses need an adjustment. kb Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo!
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ignorance is bliss, and you are wrong as par usual. As a matter of fact one of my best friends and major supporters owns a bus company. I could even get him to give me a bus and I can load it up and bring all the homeless to already existing shelters in the monmouth county area. What a wonderful idea. Thank you asburycouple or whatever your name is. I see you don't have a profile. God Bless you, oh excuse me you may not believe in God, you may believe in Boothism so I better not say anything. I got it, have a nice day. KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, we've all been down the rational argument route with Kevin before. He is a typical God is on my side zealot who believes his point of view must be right and everyone who disagrees is against God. We all know how much trouble this attitude can get us in. He doesn't care about what's best for Asbury Park. He only cares about what's best for his personal agenda. Logic need not apply. So my new approach is to simply ignore him and hope he goes away. It worked for several others - as soon as we all stopped falling into the trap of stoking them on they got bored and left. Maybe he can stick with Long Branch - perhaps he can actually find 1-2 peole to follow him there rather than coming here and explain to us all how we should be living our lives and managing our city. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I don't think it's so much about bad mouthing you. You need to step back and think about the situation here in AP a little differently. Our city has had many more crime problems then LB, and for more then 30 years the city has been struggling. We residents have to cope with problems brought on by our homeless population, such as people sleeping in our parks, pan handlers at our convienience stores, homeless people using our parks etc. as open air bathrooms. Not only that, but many of these people come to AP with serious drug and alcohol problems, and AP is not the place to send somebody with a drug problem. There are plenty of drugs here, and plenty of dealers looking for new customers. One of my pet peeves with the drinking homeless people is that they don't seem to understand that there are these things called garbage cans to discard things in, so they just leave them anyplace, such as my lawn, or broken on somebodies sidewalk. Meanwhile, AP is trying to make a comeback. I think our growing homeless population is a threat to this. And please don't think the people of AP are without compassion, because that's not the case. Many of us are just plain fed up. That's not so hard to understand, is it? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: I understand. I think the one issue that has some in a knot is the fact that the men in the shelter are released every day into the public streets. What they must understand is that the Federal Court made it illegal to keep them in for 24 hours a day. They are not to be in prisoned in the shelter. They are to be released every day in an attempt to secure work independent of the shelter and move on with their lives. I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had three options. Shelter, hospital or jail. He was not sick so the hospital wouldn't take him. He was not jailable - so he had no choice but to go to the shelter. He had 2 options there. Fort Monmouth or Asbury park. Fort Monmouth wouldn't take him, so he wound up in Asbury park. Now some of you who fight with me about what I have tried to do in Long Branch, open the shelter at Lighthouse here, well the irony of it is you support the few who have made it impossible to open a Long Branch shelter over the last 13 years, and you now have the Long Branch homeless in Asbury! So I decided because Mario asbury couple like to jump on me every chance they get, and because I have faith that MSM will do the proper job I have decided not ot provide shelter in the Long Branch project at all. Besides there is so much more to do in ministry. So as we all can see, what a man sows so shall he reap. Those of you in Asbury who have joined in with the Long Branch politicians in bad mouthing me for wanting to help the homeless here in Long Branch, you win, I'll refer them all to MSM in Asbury. Thanks for lightening my load. Blessings KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, icaruscriesfire icaruscriesfire@ wrote: You must understand, kev, those with interests in AP believe that no one else has valid interest in AP. They don't need anyone cleaning the rose color off their goggles. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin
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track record 1889 - 2007 = 118 years of experience. The fact that their CEO is making less than 100,000.00 a year in New Jersey is extremely comendable. Chicago nonprofits also pay their CEOs the most--a median of $184,753 a year for bosses of the 88 local charities in the sample. Didn't I read somewhere that the United Way CEO was close to $300,000.00 - I know we pay LB School Super $250,000.00 - some think $300K. I only see lame reasons not to embrace them. Unless you guys are caught up on the fact that they believe homosexuality is a sin. Cause I have listened to all the arguement that comes out on this board and I am not convinced they are not doing a good thing in Asbury Park. I spent over a year sitting back and waiting. Now I am gonna support them 150%. Reverend Kevin Brown Lighthouse Long Branch. Building a congregation of worshipers who will impact the county and the State. Oh and we are not a geographically challenged church, we accept members from all over the world. Christians who embrace the teaching of Jesus Christ. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:30:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the Mission has ...a prooven track record. That's a mere assertion. What proof and what track are you referring to? Here's the record -- a long list of data, not assertions; be prepared to scroll. _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25733_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25733) We've been down this road before, months ago. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had three options. Shelter, hospital or jail. He was not sick so the hospital wouldn't take him. He was not jailable - so he had no choice but to go to the shelter. He had 2 options there. Fort Monmouth or Asbury park. Fort Monmouth wouldn't take him, so he wound up in Asbury park. Fort Monmouth screens and if there were warrants outstanding he gets jailed. Some do not want to be screened. Too bad. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had three options. Shelter, hospital or jail. He was not sick so the hospital wouldn't take him. He was not jailable - so he had no choice but to go to the shelter. He had 2 options there. Fort Monmouth or Asbury park. Fort Monmouth wouldn't take him, so he wound up in Asbury park. Fort Monmouth screens and if there were warrants outstanding he gets jailed. Some do not want to be screened. Too bad. I happen to agree with the Ft Monmouth Policy. However they also limited the time you stay within a year. They wouldn't let Stash back until January 2008. I also know thatthey keep you so many days, because county tax payers dollars pay per diem, for some amount of days. After the county money stops they get booted out, there in is the bigger problem. So, what do we do with the homeless Dan. I know you long enough to know you are reasonable. I agree that dumbing and relocating are wrong. This isn't to say I agree with the three horseman of Asbury's position - I do know quite abit about what is goin gon in this State on this issue. The State has no constitutional requirement for shelter of anyone. Homeless people are not a protected group. Many cities in NJ are sanctuary citys for illegals but not homeless. I learned today he is well known Stash is the name the LBPD have given him. Apparently he is mentally disabled and there is no place for him, so they let him stay on the street and they sought of move him along from place to place when someone complains. It's a major problem. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what do we do with the homeless Dan. I know you long enough to know you are reasonable. I agree that dumbing and relocating are wrong. This isn't to say I agree with the three horseman of Asbury's position - I do know quite abit about what is goin gon in this State on this issue. The State has no constitutional requirement for shelter of anyone. Homeless people are not a protected group. Many cities in NJ are sanctuary citys for illegals but not homeless. What do we do? What will never be done. Make sure each community shoulders its fair share of the burden of social services. JSRM should be placed in Deal, or Elberon, or Allenhurst. How about Rumson? You see my point and I see yours. You see that no one else will take them so it doesn't matter if you are overburdened already (and that we are). I don't judge you. I know your calling impels you to you say what you do. But the cold rationalization is what I gave you above. We have enough already here. And we do for exactly the same reason other similar places bear a heavy burden of these services. Because others do not. Because of color. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: So, what do we do with the homeless Dan. I know you long enough to know you are reasonable. I agree that dumbing and relocating are wrong. This isn't to say I agree with the three horseman of Asbury's position - I do know quite abit about what is goin gon in this State on this issue. The State has no constitutional requirement for shelter of anyone. Homeless people are not a protected group. Many cities in NJ are sanctuary citys for illegals but not homeless. What do we do? What will never be done. Make sure each community shoulders its fair share of the burden of social services. JSRM should be placed in Deal, or Elberon, or Allenhurst. How about Rumson? You see my point and I see yours. You see that no one else will take them so it doesn't matter if you are overburdened already (and that we are). I don't judge you. I know your calling impels you to you say what you do. But the cold rationalization is what I gave you above. We have enough already here. And we do for exactly the same reason other similar places bear a heavy burden of these services. Because others do not. Because of color. See now Dan, I can talk to. It must be because we were raised in Brooklyn. I don't know how every one missed my main point. The reason why Asbury has so many is because surrounding cities do nothing. In the last 13 years in addition to my place, there has been a closing of Ruth house, Philip House, the home on Broadway by the dutch reformed. with there being no actual shelter programs in Long Branch, a larger city than Asbury, it has put the burden onto Asbury unfairly. I already know this, and knew it long before a lot of other people. I was there when it was explained to me, why they were giving me all this flack about Lighthouse. Kevin Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/8/2007 10:16:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:but most important helping homeless is.Matthew 25 that some will go to heaven and some not simply based on what they did in situations. One of those situations is what we did with a homeless person..the gospels, but he was simply repeating what Isiah penned below...Isiah 58There are lots of smart people who can both quote Isaiah and innovate ways to end, rather than enable, homelessness. Missions such as MSM, especially those with the lowest ratings (They are now down to Zero Efficiency rating) and uncredentialed staff, do nothing to end the cycle, that revolving door, of the poor and homeless. They may temporarily ease a situation with prolonged fixes, but they don't benefit the community nor the indigent: They prolong the cycle. There are numerous studies confirming that. The ministrations of uncredentialed healers never lobby to correct the conditions which lead to poverty. They enable the cycle. Temporary fixes for the unfortunate, and beaucoup bucks for their directors' salaries. Where are all the testimonials from MSM, not the anonymous ones? Documented evidence of say 10-12 men, one for each decade they've been in existence, showing how MSM enabled people with sustainable skills to lift them from poverty and achieve self-sufficiency? Dimentikate tutto: il fatto non c'e ztato. Or to paraphrase Harry Truman, I'm from a Show Me State-of mind. Don't digress about Covenant House. Asbury Park, now more than ever, has lots of folks who can and are tending to the temporary needs of the homeless.Not like before when we were infested with exploiters who auto-banked the social security checks and left those entrusted to their care in homes permeated with the smell of urine. Asbury Park got smarter and can work on innovative initiatives trying to eliminate hunger and chronic homelessness among our own;there's no benefit to importing people simply to justify JSRM, and, in the process put this city back in a quagmire of poverty.Innovations Public Click here: Interagency Council on Homelessness http://www.ich.gov/innovations/index.html or Private Click here: United Way of Metropolitan Atlanta - Commission on homelessness http://www.unitedwayatlanta.org/e0-homeless.asp \ ==Newest ratings worse for MSM: Click here: Charity Navigator - Your Search Results http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?keyword_list=bay=search.resu\ ltscgid=6cuid=28location=2stid=10city=overallrtg=size=ceosalary=\ scopeid=Submit=Submitsortby=rtgCharity NameAtlantic City Rescue Mission http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/9247\ .htm HomeFront http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/9849\ .htm Market Street Mission http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/7622\ .htm Homeless Solutions, Inc. http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/8532\ .htm Rescue Mission of Trenton http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/9848\ .htm LocationAtlantic City, NJLawrenceville, NJMorristown, NJMorristown, NJTrenton, NJOverall Rating (56.44) (61.58) (31.61) (68.16) (69.39)Program Expenses79.5%90.8%62.3%81.6%93.9%Admin Expenses5.8%6.1%9.8%11.2%5.2%Fund Expenses14.6%3.0%27.7%7.0%0.7%Fund Efficiency$0.15$0.05$0.38$0.05$0.00Efficiency Rating (32.95) (39.08)0 Stars (18.73) (38.16) (39.39)Revenue Growth7.8%29.7%-0.7%8.8%11.0%Program Growth8.4%31.2%4.9%12.6%13.4%Working Capital0.390.140.451.521.38Capacity Rating (23.49) (22.50) (12.87) (30.00) (30.00)Total Revenue$3,853,837$4,556,080$2,857,818$3,280,157$3,639,300Total Expenses$3,666,906$4,308,919$2,941,464$2,297,358$3,464,492Excess/Deficit\ $186,931$247,161$-83,646$982,799$174,808Net Assets$4,681,178$766,433$6,180,316$6,708,273$6,184,786CEO Compensation % of Expenses$77,154 2.10% $88,410 2.05% $93,313 3.17% $105,909 4.61% $113,466 3.27% Donor Privacy Policy YesNoNoNoNo \ Putting Band-Aids on Gunshot WoundsFrom Click here: Public Agenda Press Release: Compassion, Concern and Conflicted Feelings Influence New Yorkers' Perceptions of Hom http://www.publicagenda.org/press/press_release_detail.cfm?report_title\ =Compassion,%20Concern%20and%20Conflicted%20Feelings March 2007 Research Study on Homelessness\ Forse 'ste bestie nun me caperanno, ma provo armeno la soddisfazzione de pot_ di' le cose come stanno senza paura de fini_ in priggione. No way of telling if they've understood. Whether they have or not, it does me good to call things what they are without the dread of having to go to jail for what I've said. ALL'OMBRA, Piazza Trilusso,
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There are lots of smart people who can both quote Isaiah and innovate ways to end, rather than enable, homelessness. VV but thats not what Is was saying, nor Jesus. Jesus did however say, The Poor you will have with you always... For all I know they may be on the planet just to test faith. I asked what Stand Up Asbury spent in litigating against Market Street Mission. I guess you will not answer that question? Let's just say we agree that MSM is inefficient. Tell me who would you select to take over the shelter in Asbury Park, at that location and why? Kevin B Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/8/2007 1:34:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My heart goes out to you and your concerns. I am a missioner, I don't prefer to work with folks with these types of troubles. I am called vocationally to do it. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/9/2007 2:29:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but thats not what Is was saying, nor Jesus. You implied some will go to hell: ...tells people in Matthew 25 that some will go to heaven and some not simply based on what they did in situations. So who will go to hell? Those who prolong poverty to keep in business, or those working to end the temporary fixes and find solutions? The Poor you will have with you always...For all I know they may be on the planet just to test faith. Or maybe test how well we use the brains given us. I don't think the creator appreciates mamalukes exploiting people. I asked what Stand Up Asbury spent in litigating against Market Street Mission. I guess you will not answer that question? I am not an apologist for SUFA. Money spent or put to use is a different issue. I'm not in position to know how much? How much have you spent and cost the City of Long Branch. Let's just say we agree that MSM is inefficient. OK you agree it's inefficient. and you said, OK: You are quoting one official you has testified his opinion not substaniated facts. [ Morristown Police Chief Pete Demnitz ...said sometimes police feel the mission is not being truthful ] So it's inefficient AND at least you acknowledge the police chief. But unsubstantiated? Check his police blotters. Tell me who would you select to take over the shelter in Asbury Park, at that location and why? A totally different question. City planners, council, chamber of commerce, residents, the courst et al. can evaluate what will most benefit our city and our own indigent. Your issues are with Long Branch. Why keep inviting Asbury residents to join your causes? Can't you get enough takers in your own domain? My heart goes out to you and your concerns. I am a missioner, I don't prefer to work with folks with these types of troubles. I am called vocationally to do it. And I often with disaffected teenagers from dysfunctional families. But no one called me; I chose it. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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OK you agree it's inefficient. and you said, OK: You are quoting one official you has testified his opinion not substaniated facts. [ Morristown Police Chief Pete Demnitz ...said sometimes police feel the mission is not being truthful ] So it's inefficient AND at least you acknowledge the police chief. But unsubstantiated? Check his police blotters. Tell me who would you select to take over the shelter in Asbury Park, at that location and why? I NEVER AGREED, I SAID LET'S JUST SAY, (FOR ARGUEMENTS SAKE) SEE YOU ARE TWISTING WORDS HERE. I WAS DRAWING AN ILLUSTRATION TO SOLICITE FROM YOU A BETTER AGENT OR AGENCY TO TAKE OVER, PRESUMING MSM IS INEFFICIENT. THE POLICE CHIEF SAID: FEELS FEELING SOMETHING IS NOT EVIDENCE. A totally different question. City planners, council, chamber of commerce, residents, the courst et al. can evaluate what will most benefit our city and our own indigent. THIS IS NOT AN ANSWER. IT'S DEFLECTION! Your issues are with Long Branch. Why keep inviting Asbury residents to join your causes? Can't you get enough takers in your own domain? SEE NOW THE ABOVE IS A CHEAP SHOT! I WAS HAVING A HEALTHY DIALOGUE FROM MY END, AS FAR AS LONG BRANCH AND THE LIGHTHOUSE ARE CONCERNED. WHY DON'T YOU READ THE BRIEF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SUBMITTED TO THE FEDERAL APPEALS COURT IN PHILLY. A COPY OF IT IS ON FILE ON MY YAHOO AREA. PLEASE NOTE I AM ONLY USING CAPS TO DISTINGUISH WHAT WAS IN YOUR POST AND MY RESPONSES. kb Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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LINK TO THE BRIEF http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/sELkRj14PcDy4MF09EXxz79VTuIOZ_0ETtEm3l6FZ19 F1FXFIv-mkKLujfkXcOFqjasQn23atqSSUW__-rrSrg/FSA.COMPLAINTf.pdf Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A CHEAP SHOT! I WAS HAVING A HEALTHY DIALOGUE FROM MY END, Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. This thread started when you felt, from Long Branch, compelled to take Paul to task about an AP issue: Healthy? I dunno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul, Be careful about your unsubstantiated allegations of wrong doing. You can open yourself up to a defamation and slander actionyou took your best shot, don't be a sore looser and draw the tax payers of Asbury Park into a situation that will only increase expenses for tax payers with litigationthe Mission has over a hundred year history and a prooven track recordIf you want to Stand up for something, why not stand up against gang shootings. And I responded from Asbury Park. But now,oofah with the cabbadost...enough info is out there for all to judge for themselves. And as far as this thread is concerned, Scuzi, ...fugheddaboudit , 'cause I'm off for some healthful fried calamari followed by some ricotta cheescake. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Actually it's not a cheap shot. Why don't you focus on Long Branch issues and stay out of ours. I sense nobody wants you in either place but you live there so they are stuck with you. Your issues are with Long Branch. Why keep inviting Asbury residents to join your causes? Can't you get enough takers in your own domain? SEE NOW THE ABOVE IS A CHEAP SHOT! I WAS HAVING A HEALTHY DIALOGUE FROM MY END, AS FAR AS LONG BRANCH AND THE LIGHTHOUSE ARE CONCERNED. WHY DON'T YOU READ THE BRIEF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SUBMITTED TO THE FEDERAL APPEALS COURT IN PHILLY. A COPY OF IT IS ON FILE ON MY YAHOO AREA. PLEASE NOTE I AM ONLY USING CAPS TO DISTINGUISH WHAT WAS IN YOUR POST AND MY RESPONSES. kb Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually it's not a cheap shot. Why don't you focus on Long Branch issues and stay out of ours. I sense nobody wants you in either place but you live there so they are stuck with you. I'll focus on what I wish to focus on, thank you very much. and you senses need an adjustment. kb Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:30:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the Mission has ...a prooven track record. That's a mere assertion. What proof and what track are you referring to? Here's the record -- a long list of data, not assertions; be prepared to scroll. _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25733_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25733) We've been down this road before, months ago. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:30:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul,Be careful about your unsubstantiated allegations of wrong doing. You can open yourself up to a defamation and slander action. Asbury Park Press, March 22, 2007 by Nancy Shields: Morristown Police Chief Pete Demnitz ...said sometimes police feel the mission is not being truthful about the people who are staying there. The chief, himself, went to Scott, after arresting a man wanted for murder who was staying at the mission. He told Scott that the mission had to do a better job screening clients and that there was a perception that the mission had a don't ask, don't tell policyhis testimony also showed that the Morristown mission is not located near schools while the Asbury mission would be within a few or several blocks of two elementary schools and a middle school. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:30:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the Mission has ...a prooven track record. That's a mere assertion. What proof and what track are you referring to? Here's the record -- a long list of data, not assertions; be prepared to scroll. _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25733_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25733) We've been down this road before, months ago. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Mario I understand that, however being around for 100 years alone is credability that will never be ignored. In most cases, institutions that pre exist certain regulations and laws, are exempt from them, as long as they do not threaten the well being and public safety. I am just stating the obvious. They are open aren't they? I am not saying your concern's are not warranted, however they are not enough to stop what they want to do. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:30:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul,Be careful about your unsubstantiated allegations of wrong doing. You can open yourself up to a defamation and slander action. Asbury Park Press, March 22, 2007 by Nancy Shields: Morristown Police Chief Pete Demnitz ...said sometimes police feel the mission is not being truthful about the people who are staying there. The chief, himself, went to Scott, after arresting a man wanted for murder who was staying at the mission. He told Scott that the mission had to do a better job screening clients and that there was a perception that the mission had a don't ask, don't tell policyhis testimony also showed that the Morristown mission is not located near schools while the Asbury mission would be within a few or several blocks of two elementary schools and a middle school. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Don't ask don't tell policies are not illegal, the Military has used it for gays in the Military for years! In some cases, confidentiality gives protection from revealing certain information in certain situations. If thats all the dirt you can dig up on them, then please consider my sincere suggestion to move along. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:30:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul,Be careful about your unsubstantiated allegations of wrong doing. You can open yourself up to a defamation and slander action. Asbury Park Press, March 22, 2007 by Nancy Shields: Morristown Police Chief Pete Demnitz ...said sometimes police feel the mission is not being truthful about the people who are staying there. The chief, himself, went to Scott, after arresting a man wanted for murder who was staying at the mission. He told Scott that the mission had to do a better job screening clients and that there was a perception that the mission had a don't ask, don't tell policyhis testimony also showed that the Morristown mission is not located near schools while the Asbury mission would be within a few or several blocks of two elementary schools and a middle school. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com OK: You are quoting one official you has testified his opinion not substaniated facts. Besides, believe it or not, no one owns the wrong doing of another. Example: If you decide to go and murder some one, should the Yahoo Group Members stand in judgement for murder with you? Absolutely not! It's absurd! Homeless people are homeless for many reasons. Cronic homelessness is generally based on a few social impact reasons. Drug addiction, alcoholism, mental illness and a criminal record. These categories of folks have a more difficult time gaining employment. Without money, you can not pay for shelter in a normal rental capacity. So of course 99.9% od all those going to shelters are people in these social ills. So when you say; Look that guy who slept at the Rescue Mission last night is a convicted felon! You're right! 99% of the time. So your arguement is not revealing anything. My heart goes out to you and your concerns. I am a missioner, I don't prefer to work with folks with these types of troubles. I am called vocationally to do it. It's tough, and many people in a community don't want you there, even the minister. But there is absolutely no evidence to substantiate that the minister or the ministry is manufactoring these problems. These social problems are society's to own. You might as well blame McDonald's for having a hiring policy against one or all of the conditions I mentioned above. I am not looking to fight about it, I am just trying to tell you - you are beating a dead horse - with this particular statedgy and spending a lot of money better applied elsewhere. How much has Stand Up Asbury spent on this legal fight to date? KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/8/2007 1:33:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If thats all the dirt you can dig up on them, then Not looking for dirt. Just what the court asked for: How will JSRM benefit this town? Incidents, like that below in Morristown, are already happening here and being documented, not by our own, but by the influx to JSRM. From _Library Edgy Over Order To Tolerate Homeless - New York Times_ (http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F20613F73C5E0C7A8EDDAC0894D94 94D81) Morristown, NJ ...the library ... a symbol of security amid insecurity and, more tangibly, a sign of this community's edgy coexistence with its homelessUnease Behind the Granite Walls:...In the aftermath of Judge Sarokin's ruling, the library's atmosphere seems uneasy...but [Mr. Kreimer, homeless] now spends his nights in Lidgerwood Park and his days, it seems, bedeviling and befuddling town officials and others trying to help him. offered to enroll Mr. Kreimer in its job programs for the homeless and for recovering drug addicts and alcoholics from the Market Street Mission here.Mr. Kreimer objects to what he has called a religious element in the mission's rehabilitation work. That turns homeless people off, he said in an interview last weekIt's not an issue of bad people going after down-and-out people, Mayor Bloch said. Still no answer as to why the 119 non-profits already in town aren't servicing our own 116 people the JSRM supporters' Fact Sheet said we have in town? [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: then please consider my sincere suggestion to move along. Move along? I live here and have since I got out of college. I didn't buy here as an investment, I bought a home. I bought when long-times residents folks were leaving in droves, and the exploiters were having a field day. I don't post here promoting my own sites, projects, or any self-interest other than my affinity for this city. I don't like cluttering this board with posts for anyone's amusement, but I feel compelled to respond to your imposing your LB experiences on residents of Asbury Park. And I don't plan to move on despite your sincerity. Capeesh? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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io capire completamente. Sono giusto provare verso incoraggiare tu verso lasciare lo essere. i was raised in an italian house hold. Covenant House International is a program serving homeless and runaway young people, primarily teenagers, and providing shelter and rehabilitation services to thousands of children. It was founded in 1969 by a group of volunteers in New York City with a simple vision: runaway and homeless kids should not be alone and on the street, hungry and dirty, sleeping in alleys and abandoned buildings, vulnerable and scared. Incorporated in 1972, Covenant House has since expanded to 11 states-- Alaska, California, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, and Texas--as well as Washington, D.C., Vancouver, Toronto, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico and Nicaragua. It is the largest privately funded child-care service in the United States. Covenant House is primarily funded through private donations from individuals of all faiths who are concerned about the plight of homeless youth. While there is no formal partnership between the agency and a church or specific denomination, various Covenant House sites may partner with congregations in their area for various projects. Residential Programs include Crisis Shelters and the Rights of Passage transitional living program. Covenant House Crisis Shelters maintain an open intake policy, helping anyone who comes to their door, with hot food, a shower, clean clothes, and a warm bed. The next step is to determine what's best for the kids--whether that is reuniting with their families or finding other options. but most important helping homeless is as protected for christians as is going to church or taking communion. Jesus tells people in Matthew 25 that some will go to heaven and some not simply based on what they did in situations. One of those situations is what we did with a homeless person. Jesus talks about it at length in the gospels, but he was simply repeating what Isiah penned below Isiah 58 7Is it not to (P)divide your bread with the hungry And (Q)bring the homeless poor into the house; When you see the (R)naked, to cover him; And not to (S)hide yourself from your own flesh? You are not going to regulate a church or para church organization in America, watch and see what happens in our case The Lighthouse Mission v. Long Branch. Don't you think, If Jimmy Aaron thought they could keep Market Street from operating in Asbury, as he advised Long Branch to prevent us from operating in Long Branch, they would have? Anyway, I am not contending with you. Because quite frankly, I wish there were no homeless anywhere. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Paul, in the spirit of what Werner just went through, I am gonna say this to you gently and like a dutch brother. Be careful about your unsubstantiated allegations of wrong doing. You can open yourself up to a defamation and slander action. You have tried to fight the openning of this faith based shelter, you took your best shot, don't be a sore looser and draw the tax payers of Asbury Park into a situation that will only increase expenses for tax payers with litigation. I am sensitive to what you are attempting to say, however the Mission has over a hundred year history and a prooven track record. The reason why the State will not interfere is a matter of economics, if faith based organizations decide to not provide these services, the State will have too. If the State was running the shelter the Executive Director woul dbe paid $150,000.00, the medical staff would have a budget of additional tax payers dollars, and State run shelters always have cost more to operate than privately run shelters. If you want to Stand up for something, why not stand up against gang shootings. God Bless You Reverend Kevin Brown Lighthouse Mission Long Branch, Nj Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It's very sad to see that some have evolved while other's have remained true to origin. While you build an attractive new beachfront, you can not filter out who you attract. Hilter tried that, it doesn't work. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Kevin, this is a new low - even for you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's very sad to see that some have evolved while other's have remained true to origin. While you build an attractive new beachfront, you can not filter out who you attract. Hilter tried that, it doesn't work. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury Is Solely a Gay agenda
Your Founding Fathers, were also the bigges hypocrites in American History, for owning slaves and amassing their fortunes, from FREE LABOR, for which Black Americans, descendants of 450 years of slavery in America, STILL, haven't been compensated for, which keeps us perpetually BEHIND! Why else would JFK, start a program called HEAD START? Because when you've had a 450 year head start, just when are we going to catch up? No one wants to discuss racial discrimination, because it flies in the face of all you people claim, is American values! Well, spare me, your hypocritical values! Reagan, your near God, is responsible for many of the ills in America today! It was Reagan who funded Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden, back in the early 80's, broke unions, Iran-Contra, a treasonous offense, trading arms for drugs, then spreading them into the Black community, through the CIA, covert and black ops! So why don't all of you, go to the Jamestown, VA celebration, huh? Because THAT's, what they're celebrating! I don't need a shallow, empty apology; I want REPARATIONS! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: This country has been blessed... with forefathers wise enough to establish a Democratic Republic, complete with safeguards to ward off theocrats like those in Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia who claim to know God's will, decapitate those who are infidels, and talk children into suicide guaranteeing them the Kingdom of God. You forgot Rome and other European capitals through nearly two millenia. Although I am sure our founding fathers were well versed when it came to papists. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, the biggest sign of how discounted and irrelevant you have become on this board is how little response and emotion you have generated with your ridiculous ranting. Even rolemover can still get some people to react emotionally to his hate-filled rants. Go start a Long Branch board and see if you can offend people there. It doesn't seem like anybody here really seems to care much. Sometimes relative silence speaks much louder than a loud response. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: I appreciate your point, in as much as you have a right to it. There was not one ounce of blarney in my post. Points of Fact: 45 States have constitutional amendments that define marriage as between one man and one woman. The leadership of all anti faith based social groups are either gay or gay sympathisers. Government is better serving the people by spending less money and less time legislating morality. The Kingdom of God is not the American Democratic System. IN any event, enjoy your liberty as I enjoy mine. KB That's one way to look at it. Then there are those whose silence could generate the atmosphere of agreement. The pure fact of the matter is clear this board is an isolated area where too many people have come and gone who remain unidentified and who like to bash. The fact remains, there are very few beds for homeless people in Asbury park, if there are any. With the same fervor one speaks on behalf of the freedom to have a same sex partner in New Jersey, I have the freedom to speak for a faith based initiative. If you stick to the facts your opponents reveal their true agenda. Such as this remark above. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury Is Solely a Gay agenda
I appreciate your point, in as much as you have a right to it. There was not one ounce of blarney in my post. Points of Fact: 45 States have constitutional amendments that define marriage as between one man and one woman. The leadership of all anti faith based social groups are either gay or gay sympathisers. Government is better serving the people by spending less money and less time legislating morality. The Kingdom of God is not the American Democratic System. IN any event, enjoy your liberty as I enjoy mine. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury Is Solely a Gay agenda
I appreciate your point, in as much as you have a right to it. There was not one ounce of blarney in my post. Points of Fact: 45 States have constitutional amendments that define marriage as between one man and one woman. The leadership of all anti faith based social groups are either gay or gay sympathisers. Government is better serving the people by spending less money and less time legislating morality. The Kingdom of God is not the American Democratic System. IN any event, enjoy your liberty as I enjoy mine. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury Is Solely a Gay agenda
Kevin, the biggest sign of how discounted and irrelevant you have become on this board is how little response and emotion you have generated with your ridiculous ranting. Even rolemover can still get some people to react emotionally to his hate-filled rants. Go start a Long Branch board and see if you can offend people there. It doesn't seem like anybody here really seems to care much. Sometimes relative silence speaks much louder than a loud response. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate your point, in as much as you have a right to it. There was not one ounce of blarney in my post. Points of Fact: 45 States have constitutional amendments that define marriage as between one man and one woman. The leadership of all anti faith based social groups are either gay or gay sympathisers. Government is better serving the people by spending less money and less time legislating morality. The Kingdom of God is not the American Democratic System. IN any event, enjoy your liberty as I enjoy mine. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury!
I disagree I was left with the shelter was housing a person who was wanted for murder and the police believed that the shelter needed to screen the people. After hearing this, I can not understand why some support the mission for Asbury. - Original Message From: Kerri Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:29:21 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury! I'm surprised the Chief of Police of Morristown was called as a witness by the lawyer for Stand Up for Asbury. Most of what he said was favorable things about the mission. He said Morristown is thriving with bars/restaurants/ businesses. People are living in beautiful Victorian homes. The town is considered Hoboken West. There are hardly any negative incidents involving the residents of the mission. The crime rate in Morristown shot up 150% last year because of an influx of gangs. Maybe Stand Up for Asbury should have used all that money they wasted on that lawyer to help solve the problem of gang violence here in AP. That would have been much more beneficial. It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury Is Solely a Gay agenda
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me be the one to say it out loud. The only real reason there is a conflict over This Mission in Asbury Park is because the spiritual leaders of this organization have gone on the record that homosexuality is a sex addiction. You are wrong on many accounts in your post. I'll leave it at that. Let's leave God and the government out of it all. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You are entitled to your opinion, but it is nothing but blarney. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me be the one to say it out loud. The only real reason there is a conflict over This Mission in Asbury Park is because the spiritual leaders of this organization have gone on the record that homosexuality is a sex addiction. So, now let me go on the record. In the light of having 50 States in the Nation, and seeing 45 States passing amendments to define marriage as being of one man and one woman, and having only one State out of 50 allowing Gay Marriage, that being Massachusetts, it's a small issue. Let's not allow it to even be as big as some would like it to be. I agree that every individual should have the civil liberty to select one other person and bestow upon them all things a spouse can bestow upon another spouse, if they are an American citizen, they have inalienable rights. However there is no way marriage should be permitted between two members of the same sex. But before I even discuss the issue let me point out that the real problem stems from all promiscuity. Intimate sexual activity should be restricted to only people who are married and this is not a pitch for legislation controlling the marriage bed. This is moral and character in nature not legal or otherwise. People of faith need to ban together to promote values, starting at a very basic level, in the home. Schools need to stay out of the character development of our children, and politicians need to simply raise their own children and stop legislating sacred matters. Government should never attempt to legislate morality. Government would be best tending to the budget and spending of tax payer dollars. Gay citizens have civil rights, granted. However, they do not have the right to invade the Kingdom of God in a manner that diminishes the entire power of the faith within the Kingdom. The whole battle is against the Kingdom of God. Those who are subjected to God's will understand this. Be kind to your neighbor but be pure before our God. Even I admit of falling short of the glory of God, but I die daily to my selfish desires and hope to increase each moment in His desire for me. Whether someone agrees with me or not, is not the issue. God Bless America Kevin Brown (http://www.electricnews.com/) ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This country has been blessed... with forefathers wise enough to establish a Democratic Republic, complete with safeguards to ward off theocrats like those in Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia who claim to know God's will, decapitate those who are infidels, and talk children into suicide guaranteeing them the Kingdom of God. You forgot Rome and other European capitals through nearly two millenia. Although I am sure our founding fathers were well versed when it came to papists. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury Is Solely a Gay agenda
Dan Re your comment: You forgot Rome and other European capitals through nearly two millenia. Although I am sure our founding fathers were well versed when it came to papists. Didn't forget. Was trying to stay contemporary for the AD crowd. Add pre WWII Japan to your list. Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury Is Solely a Gay agenda Date: 3/23/2007 9:12:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mari This country has been blessed... with forefathers wise enough to establish a Democratic Republic, complete with safeguards to ward off theocrats like those in Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia who claim to know God's will, decapitate those who are infidels, and talk children into suicide guaranteeing them the Kingdom of God. You forgot Rome and other European capitals through nearly two millenia. Although I am sure our founding fathers were well versed when it came to papists. ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't forget. Was trying to stay contemporary for the AD crowd. Add pre WWII Japan to your list. Point taken. I am no agnostic or aetheist, I just like my religion and government like my scotch - neat. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One last reminder. The zoning board reconvenes tonight to reconsider the variances issued to the Market Street Mission. Supporters of Stand Up For Asbury are urged to attend. Tuesday, March 20th 2007 7:00 p.m. Asbury Park City Hall == Well OK, so what transpired? With all the hype about this I'd have expected someone to post a report about the meeting. ?? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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ASBURY PARK As city zoners reconsider their 2006 approval for a 40-bed gospel rescue homeless shelter, one of the emerging issues is that the shelter will draw in homeless men from many towns or counties and not just the city's homeless. It was clearly told to the zoning board that this mission was for Asbury Park, Keith Zyla, chairman of the Zoning Board of Adjustment, said at a hearing Tuesday night. Do you think now that it is a regional facility, the impact will be more difficult to mitigate? Zyla asked a witness, planner John Chadwick, of Kendall Park. I think the board has to decide if Asbury Park should be a regional center for the homeless, and people suffering from drug abuse and alcoholism in conjunction with where it's proposed (to operate), Chadwick said. Plans by Market Street Mission of Morristown to open the shelter on Memorial Drive between Asbury and Sewall avenues have been held up after a group of residents organized and filed suit last year to stop it. The zoning board had initially turned the shelter down in 2005. Market Street appealed, and Superior Court Judge Alexander D. Lehrer found there was a beneficial use the zoners had to consider. Lehrer sent it back, and the city zoners approved the 40-bed shelter for men the second time around in 2006. The new group, Stand Up For Asbury, organized and filed an appeal. This time, Lehrer and the parties involved agreed to have the city zoners look at limited aspects in the case that focused on how the mission benefits a city. The next hearing is scheduled for 7 p.m. April 24. The new shelter had opened for a short time this year but fire officials determined men were sleeping in the second-floor dormitory with no sprinkler system and ordered that dormitory closed. The faith-based Market Street Mission has operated in Morristown for 117 years, and in an earlier hearing, it was determined that the state Department of Human Services had notified the Morristown facility Feb. 22 to end its alcohol and drug counseling because it is not licensed to do that. The new facility in Asbury Park, to be called the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission, also is to provide alcohol and drug counseling on an ongoing basis to 10 people who will live there for six months to a year. Another 27 beds are to be used for men on a temporary basis for no more than a 10-night stretch. Those men will be released to the streets during the day, which prompted questions from zoners Tuesday night on how that would impact nearby residents and services for those people. The other three beds in the facility are for staff members. At both an earlier hearing and again Monday, testimony appeared to substantiate that the shelter would be regional in nature, and not just for Asbury Park's homeless men. And the latest hearing focused in part on whether the Market Street Mission, as it operates in Morristown, has a Don't ask, don't tell policy that can sometimes keep police out of the loop of what is going on. Morristown Police Chief Pete Demnitz testified Tuesday that David Scott, Market Street's director, is a good guy and very decent person. He said the shelter benefits police because they can take homeless men there. But he said sometimes police feel the mission is not being truthful about the people who are staying there. The chief, himself, went to Scott, after arresting a man wanted for murder who was staying at the mission. He told Scott that the mission had to do a better job screening clients and that there was a perception that the mission had a don't ask, don't tell policy. Demnitz said the mission is located in a downtown area just off the town green where there are many popular bars, some residential row houses, and high end development under way across the street. But his testimony also showed that the Morristown mission is not located near schools while the Asbury mission would be within a few or several blocks of two elementary schools and a middle school. Residents opposed to the Asbury shelter have cited concerns about a lack of screening of clients and the mission bringing hundreds of additional homeless to the city. Both gay and straight residents have blasted Scott for saying the mission considers gay people to have a sexual addiction. For its part, Market Street has garnered fervent support from a group of area ministers who cite the great need to help the homeless. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 vailpj@ wrote: One last reminder. The zoning board reconvenes tonight to reconsider the variances issued to the Market Street Mission. Supporters of Stand Up For Asbury are urged to attend. Tuesday, March 20th 2007 7:00 p.m. Asbury Park City Hall == Well OK, so what transpired? With all the hype
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Thats just the Press version. How about a first hand independent account? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I'm surprised the Chief of Police of Morristown was called as a witness by the lawyer for Stand Up for Asbury. Most of what he said was favorable things about the mission. He said Morristown is thriving with bars/restaurants/businesses. People are living in beautiful Victorian homes. The town is considered Hoboken West. There are hardly any negative incidents involving the residents of the mission. The crime rate in Morristown shot up 150% last year because of an influx of gangs. Maybe Stand Up for Asbury should have used all that money they wasted on that lawyer to help solve the problem of gang violence here in AP. That would have been much more beneficial. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
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I completely disagree with Mr. Keady on this issue, but do respect his taking a very unpopular stand that will likel cost him votes based on principle. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arsenia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I admire Councilman Keady. His attendance to these meetings and other community events demonstrates his concern, involvement and passion for all people of Asbury Park. His dedication to the various causes is an inspiration because he is not just a talking head about problems. He is willing to incorporate his values into his work. It is a shame that more politicians do not share that same quality. If more politicians were like Keady we would have an authentic system rather than a system that panders to big money and self interest. Keady truly stands up for Asbury. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 vailpj@ wrote: Stand Up For Asbury's attorney presented two great witnesses to supply additional testimony to the board regarding the Shelter's potential impact on the city. Once these hearings are over, the board will have to weigh the court determined inherently beneficial use of the shelter against the detrimental impact the shelter will have on our residents and on our city's development. This weighting is the so called SICA test. Hopefully, these hearings will be completed next April. Sadly, Councilman Keady once again was present at this zoning board hearing against the advice of the city attorney. The councilman placed himself squarely among the Mission Supporters, two of whom had to be evicted from council chambers during the proceedings. It is vexing in the extreme to Stand Up For Asbury that this partisan council person uses this oportunity to network among Mission Supporters for political gain. The issue of a shelter in Asbury Park is clearly divisive with strong feelings on many sides. However this shameless political pandering and grandstanding is unworthy of an elected official and only serves to further poison the political atmosphere. Paul Vail 511 Second Ave Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Steve, I don't tihnk you're being discriminated against because you're over 40 and in the industry. So was/am I. The fun and free spending ended. The year 2k ended. ATT ended for many consultants. You're part right - many jobs went to India and helf India came here to work for half the going rate. Go up to Edison, plent of Indians. Matter of fact, there ware plenty of Indians who have invested in AP. So, yes, I am unemployed COmputer Professional - who shifted careers for the time being. Many co's are looking for someone who can write and speak clearly the English language. They can be very intelligent - but you don't want to hire someone to decipher what they mean (I've done that many times...). What about diversity programs that every co has to have? I once got a card in the mail not to be used for hiring purposes. To check off exactly who I am (ethnic,race etc) needless to say, I filled in the other section: white, jewish, over 40, married. Talk about discrimination ): To Werner and all the other IT people and my Indian investors Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends, As per my fears, I just confirmed, without a doubt, that the Leaders, and possibly Members, of Stand Up For Asbury, are using manufactured lies and falsehoods to create fear in the Community against the newly opening Jersey Shore Rescue Mission, which is slated to open September 6th! As far as Background Checks, I also just found out that it would be Illegal for the Mission to do that, so they can't .. So just ONE more Lie, or Distortion of the truth by the Low Lifes at SUFA! But they do background checks at Fort Monmouth. Why isn;t illegal for them? I have also heard that some homeless who have warrants outstanding or something to hide, refrain from going to Ft Monmouth or any other place that does background checks because they will get caught. I feel no sympathy for them. They belong in jail. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, I don't get it. You claim other groups are racist, but you make comments like the following; Yes, Syrian Jews Hasidics are both One the Move to take over the entire area. What I've heard about that Ocean Area is that due to the fact that there's a transportation route to New York through there, they're buying up everything around the bus routes to Make it Safe to walk through right to the Bus/ Train with suitcases filled with Cash or Diamonds! Is that not a racist statement? Especially the part about Cash or Diamonds He is an anti-semite. Follow some of his back posts on jewish conspiracy to control AP. He is confusing the issue of opposition to the shelter with forcing Afro-Americans out of AP. I haven't seen one person or group support that latter position. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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He is an anti-Semite. Follow some of his back posts on Jewish conspiracy to control AP. He is confusing the issue of opposition to the shelter with forcing Afro-Americans out of AP. Anti-Semite, anti-social, loner hoping to recast himself as a latter day Christ in a vain attempt to curry favor, be noticed or gain notoriety, to overcome severe pangs of uselessness following the loss of the sole anchor to his self image, his former career as computer geek. Things could be worse; his endless writing of inane bitching and complaint, manages to keep him off the streets, Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Skip, You'd better tread lightly with your continuing lies about me, or your butt will end up in Court! You have crossed the Line, as you did once before! Steve --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "He is an anti-Semite. Follow some of his back posts on Jewish conspiracy to control AP. He is confusing the issue of opposition to the shelter with forcing Afro-Americans out of AP." Anti-Semite, anti-social, loner hoping to recast himself as a latter day Christ in a vain attempt to curry favor, be noticed or gain notoriety, to overcome severe pangs of uselessness following the loss of the sole anchor to his self image, his former career as computer geek.Things could be worse; his endless writing of inane bitching and complaint, manages to keep him off the streets, __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Steve, Could you please explain the following statement that you made; The Truth is that SUFA is just another group which has been created by extremely Racist People trying to get the Afro-Americans out of town as fast as they CAN, for their own financial gain (Or so they think) How is their cause racist? Aren't you being racist yourself by making that statement? The reason I say that is because it sounds like you are stereotyping the homeless people in Asbury as Afro-American. This board is rapidly becoming annoying. Too many people fighting, too little coming together. I have an idea. Why not set up a public debate about the issues that are being discussed here? Sincerely, Jack Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SktRrD/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi Jack, I'm not meaning to personally insult you, or anyone who somehow sincerely feels the Shelter is bad. But three obvious lies have been used to turn people against the shelter, and to get people's support using these falsehoods, and it's NOT right! The lies are that: The Shelter will be recruiting clients from as far away from as Newark ... NOT TrueThe Shelter "Decided" not to do background checks Not True, it's illegal for them to do those checks! Gays will be prohibited from staying at the Shelter Not only untrue, but VERY sneaky as to mobilize the Gays to be against it! People are hearing LIES, including some friends of mine who are also against the Shelter, and the lies sway them to the side of the wall where they make an uninformed decision to be against it. As far as setting up a Public Debate, I'd suggest that you speak with the originator of SUFA to do that, since they already HAVE an Organization. But they probably wouldn't WANT it, because the lies and the truths of the other side would come out! Besides, the Shelter is opening in early September, with the blessings of the State and Federal Governments, which superseded the City's bad decision to try and block it! I would be very happy for all gay People if gay Marriage was passed! Why then must they attack the Poor, Weak and Minorities to get what they want? They turn a LOT of People against them that way! The whole SUFA thing IS Racist, because 90% of the Homeless in the Asbury Park area, as well as 80% of the Poor ARE Afro-American (Or Latino). And at least two people on here stated that the blacks create all of the crime and are lazy and don't want to work! That's RACISM! But we have already won, and there's NOTHING that the City or SUFA can do! They're just showing their hand as a Racially Bigoted group who are NOT Tolerant, and who are out for ONLY their own interests! If there's a Debate, they can host it, seen as we have nothing to prove or overcome, having won! They should have hosted a Community Forum in the first place, rather than having sneaky meetings behind closed doors, telling the people who come lies, and not allowing the opposition to attend! Sorry, Steve --- In A[EMAIL PROTECTED], "Hinge" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, Could you please explain the following statement that you made; "The Truth is that SUFA is just another group which has been created by extremely Racist People trying to get the Afro-Americans out of town as fast as they CAN, for their own financial gain (Or so they think)" How is their cause racist? Aren't you being racist yourself by making that statement? The reason I say that is because it sounds like you are stereotyping the homeless people in Asbury as Afro-American. This board is rapidly becoming annoying. Too many people fighting, too little coming together. I have an idea. Why not set up a public debate about the issues that are being discussed here? Sincerely, Jack __._,_.___ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Steve, I don't get it. You claim other groups are racist, but you make comments like the following; Yes, Syrian Jews Hasidics are both One the Move to take over the entire area. What I've heard about that Ocean Area is that due to the fact that there's a transportation route to New York through there, they're buying up everything around the bus routes to Make it Safe to walk through right to the Bus/ Train with suitcases filled with Cash or Diamonds! Is that not a racist statement? Especially the part about Cash or Diamonds What do you mean by that? If you don't think your statement was racist, then explain to us how it is not. I think you have some good things to say, but you undermine your credibility with statements like that. So what if people want to Make it Safe and build a community. So far, Asbury itself has done a pretty shitty job in maintaining and growing this once beautiful city. Don't get me wrong, i'm appalled by the destruction of so many beautiful and historic buildings here, but on the other hand Asbury needs new blood, and new thinking. I've stated before that i'm a newcomer to this town, and that I see things on a daily basis that disturb me. Do you want to see what i'm talking about? Take a drive right now to Library Square Park. It's a beautiful park. Walk to the center of it, near the fountain. You'll find lots of garbage and discarded drug paraphenalia. Look around you...you'll see some people passed out on the grass. You'll see a tree with somebodies discarded clothing, and other gross things laying around. Take a walk on 1st ave. and notice how many discarded beer bottles are on peoples lawns, and how much crap in general is just discarded and left for other people to deal with. Being poor or homeless isn't a crime, but it's also not an excuse. I agree that more needs to be done to help people get ahead in life, but people also need to be accountable for their own lives too. When i hear you being passionate about the gap between rich and poor and things like that, I agree with you. But, I also agree with the people who've taken a chance on Asbury, invested in a home or business here, and want to live in a safe and clean place. I, for one, am sick of cleaning up other peoples garbage from my lawn. And i'm not too happy seeing drug deals take place right in front of me, and not too happy about my block being used as prostitution central. So, if a group like Stand up comes along to try and prevent more of the same from happening in AP...so what? What's wrong with that. I donated to them, but not before doing some research and forming my own opinion. I want my home to be safe and clean, and I want to be proud in my home so that when people come to visit they don't leave with a bad impression of the city I live in. The Jersey shore is filled with contradictions...you have beautiful affluent communities on all sides of Asbury, with virtually none of the problems we have. I lived in Allenhurst for 10 years without ever needing to clean up somebody else's garbage, or chase prostitutes away from my front yard. Asbury's current problems began long ago, and they aren't going away anytime soon. But, in order for change to happen, radically new ways of thinking need to be applied to our city, and past mistakes can't continue to be repeated. I support Stand up for that very reason. I don't want Asbury to become a haven for homelessness. I don't want to see homeless people hurt either. I don't know what the answer is, but I want to protect my investment. Sincerely, Jack Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/7EuRwD/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Jack, I agree with about 97% of what you say! Where I live, I just had to E-Mail my one Landlord, because the People HERE were throwing Garbage all over! But a Homeless Shelter, particularly one that is a "Mission", which rehabilitates people, and goes beyond just being a flop house, is NOT the type of thing you should oppose! If you do, then 30 More People will just be ON the Streets hassling you, instead of getting help! As far as my comments, I was responding to the person who mentioned that the Syrian Jews were buying up Houses in their neighborhood. I didn't say anything BAD about them, just what's TRUE! Besides, real Racism is exhibited in Actions against People, or at least that's what hurts them, like what you guys are doing with SUFA! I agree that people shouldn't litter, sell drugs or promote prostitution. But it's also a necessity that they not be discriminated against in the Job Market, so they can GET decent Jobs. I was talking to a guy who was from Korea, not a Black or Hispanic person. But he had dark skin. I saw him several times and he's very educated, too! But just because of his dark skin, he had told me that he'd been all over on more than 50 Interviews, and no one would hire him! I KNOW it happens, because I have personal friends who've been through it! I was discriminated against because of being over 40, in the Computer Industry. There was a show about the existence of that on Dateline on NBC. Back to the Shelter Asbury. Don't worry about it, because the Shelter is opening in September, whether SUFA likes it or not. Just don't be Stupid and Brainwashed by those lying to you and saying that the Shelter will BRING more Homeless IN! What does THAT, is the Local PEOPLE in other towns who tell their Police to drop off their Homeless at the Train Station in Asbury Park. Neptune even does that to us! The shelter's NOT going to Increase, but actually eventually DECREASE the Homeless. I suggest that you call Dave Scott who's the Director, and after you speak with him, or meet with him, you'll know that you've been lied to and taken advantage of by Racists using you for their cause! deals were made with the developer to get rid of Afro-Americans, and that's why rent Control can't get through! You're strings are getting pulled, too, and you don't know it! I'm on your side most of the way. I was everything nice too, but not at the price of hurting others to get things for ME! That's the difference between me and those leaders you're getting sucked in to following! IF the City passed Rent Control, got serious about Affordable Housing and worked on Jobs and training Programs, in a few years there'd be almost NO problems here. You don't believe me, but the way things are getting done, they're making it worse! Tell me, if you had a Sister who was doing Drugs, would you help her to get into a Rehab and get better, or just condemn her to Homelessness with NO way out? Yes, she'd be wrong for her drug habit, but she'd also deserve help! There's JUST as much drugs in white cities, it's just that it's done behind closed doors, and Mommy Daddy ship them to an out of State Rehab where no one even knows what happened! Thre was a major Cocaine Crisis in Clifton in the late 1980's, and most of the people, almost all of them, were white! But you couldn't see it that much in the streets. It was BAD! If you're SO unhappy here, and don't want to help with the Root Problems, then why not SELL your house, grab the Profit, and BUY in an all white city? In Urban Cities, you MUST deal with a much larger mix of People, Situations and Problems! Bottom line is that when the NYers and Developers came in with Guns Blasting and declared War on the Blacks, they made a BIG Mistake! Go and speak with the People who run the Jewish Family Center on Sewall Ave. They have a "First Step" Meting every other month there when all of the Care Providers meet and discuss the problems. You're just 100% out of the loop on what's happening, and most of these People don't even understand what problems Minorities Face, or know ANYTHING about them! Less than 2% of all the People here cause ALL of the Problems which your Group blames whole races for! Go to the Shelter when it DOES open, and ask for a tour and explanation of how they help people. You'll learn what you obviously don't know now! You don't throw People out with the Dirty Water! Steve --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, I don't get it. You claim other groups are racist, but you make comments like the following; "Yes, Syrian Jews Hasidics are both "One the Move" to take over the entire area. What I've heard about that Ocean Area is that due to the fact that there's a transportation route to New York through there, they're buying up everything around the bus routes to "Make it Safe" to walk through right to the Bus/ Train with suitcases filled with Cash or Diamonds!" Is
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Steve, At what point did you think saying the following was needed; If you're SO unhappy here, and don't want to help with the Root Problems, then why not SELL your house, grab the Profit, and BUY in an all white city? In Urban Cities, you MUST deal with a much larger mix of People, Situations and Problems! At no point did i say that I was SO unhappy here. I love Asbury and i'm here to stay. The whole point of my response to you was that you keep condemming racism, but every once in awhile you throw in the race card yourself. You mentioned a War on Blacks Please explain that to me. Do you have concrete proof about that? Personally, i'd love to see AP do as much as it possibly can to enhance the relationship between the black and white communities of AP. I've seen that work in other places, why can't we do that here? And yeah, i'm a newcomer and i'm uninformed about everything that makes AP tick. That's why i'm here. I'm trying to learn. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, I agree with about 97% of what you say! Where I live, I just had to E-Mail my one Landlord, because the People HERE were throwing Garbage all over! But a Homeless Shelter, particularly one that is a Mission, which rehabilitates people, and goes beyond just being a flop house, is NOT the type of thing you should oppose! If you do, then 30 More People will just be ON the Streets hassling you, instead of getting help! As far as my comments, I was responding to the person who mentioned that the Syrian Jews were buying up Houses in their neighborhood. I didn't say anything BAD about them, just what's TRUE! Besides, real Racism is exhibited in Actions against People, or at least that's what hurts them, like what you guys are doing with SUFA! I agree that people shouldn't litter, sell drugs or promote prostitution. But it's also a necessity that they not be discriminated against in the Job Market, so they can GET decent Jobs. I was talking to a guy who was from Korea, not a Black or Hispanic person. But he had dark skin. I saw him several times and he's very educated, too! But just because of his dark skin, he had told me that he'd been all over on more than 50 Interviews, and no one would hire him! I KNOW it happens, because I have personal friends who've been through it! I was discriminated against because of being over 40, in the Computer Industry. There was a show about the existence of that on Dateline on NBC. Back to the Shelter Asbury. Don't worry about it, because the Shelter is opening in September, whether SUFA likes it or not. Just don't be Stupid and Brainwashed by those lying to you and saying that the Shelter will BRING more Homeless IN! What does THAT, is the Local PEOPLE in other towns who tell their Police to drop off their Homeless at the Train Station in Asbury Park. Neptune even does that to us! The shelter's NOT going to Increase, but actually eventually DECREASE the Homeless. I suggest that you call Dave Scott who's the Director, and after you speak with him, or meet with him, you'll know that you've been lied to and taken advantage of by Racists using you for their cause! deals were made with the developer to get rid of Afro-Americans, and that's why rent Control can't get through! You're strings are getting pulled, too, and you don't know it! I'm on your side most of the way. I was everything nice too, but not at the price of hurting others to get things for ME! That's the difference between me and those leaders you're getting sucked in to following! IF the City passed Rent Control, got serious about Affordable Housing and worked on Jobs and training Programs, in a few years there'd be almost NO problems here. You don't believe me, but the way things are getting done, they're making it worse! Tell me, if you had a Sister who was doing Drugs, would you help her to get into a Rehab and get better, or just condemn her to Homelessness with NO way out? Yes, she'd be wrong for her drug habit, but she'd also deserve help! There's JUST as much drugs in white cities, it's just that it's done behind closed doors, and Mommy Daddy ship them to an out of State Rehab where no one even knows what happened! Thre was a major Cocaine Crisis in Clifton in the late 1980's, and most of the people, almost all of them, were white! But you couldn't see it that much in the streets. It was BAD! If you're SO unhappy here, and don't want to help with the Root Problems, then why not SELL your house, grab the Profit, and BUY in an all white city? In Urban Cities, you MUST deal with a much larger mix of People, Situations and Problems! Bottom line is that when the NYers and Developers came in with Guns Blasting and declared War on the Blacks, they made a BIG Mistake! Go and speak with the People who run the Jewish Family Center on Sewall Ave. They have a
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Jack, You did say "Personally, I'd love to see AP do as much as it possibly can to enhance the relationship between the black and white communities of AP." .. Right? Well, I'd like to know HOW the relations can improve when the City, Developer and Groups like AP Action and SUFA and others are purposely stacking the Decks against the Blacks? Most of the Housing they can afford is gone or going, there are few Jobs where they can be hired and earn a "Living Wage", the Powers to Be don't want Rent Control, which would slow the Gentrification! And now you guys are trying to get rid of a "Last Resort" to pick them up when they're Homeless! Do you mind TELLING Me How relations can get better when the Afro-Americans have an all out WAR against them? Get Real! Anybody want to work on a plan to Create 1,000 Jobs in the Neptune High Tech Corporate Park? THAT would help the Poor immensely ??? Steve --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, At what point did you think saying the following was needed; " If you're SO unhappy here, and don't want to help with the Root Problems, then why not SELL your house, grab the Profit, and BUY in an all white city? In Urban Cities, you MUST deal with a much larger mix of People, Situations and Problems!" At no point did i say that I was SO unhappy here. I love Asbury and i'm here to stay. The whole point of my response to you was that you keep condemming racism, but every once in awhile you throw in the race card yourself. You mentioned a "War on Blacks" Please explain that to me. Do you have concrete proof about that? Personally, i'd love to see AP do as much as it possibly can to enhance the relationship between the black and white communities of AP. I've seen that work in other places, why can't we do that here? And yeah, i'm a newcomer and i'm uninformed about everything that makes AP tick. That's why i'm here. I'm trying to learn. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" asburysteve2001@ wrote: Jack,I agree with about 97% of what you say! Where I live, I just had to E-Mail my one Landlord, because the People HERE were throwing Garbage all over! But a Homeless Shelter, particularly one that is a "Mission", which rehabilitates people, and goes beyond just being a flop house, is NOT the type of thing you should oppose! If you do, then 30 More People will just be ON the Streets hassling you, instead of getting help! As far as my comments, I was responding to the person who mentioned that the Syrian Jews were buying up Houses in their neighborhood. I didn't say anything BAD about them, just what's TRUE! Besides, real Racism is exhibited in Actions against People, or at least that's what hurts them, like what you guys are doing with SUFA! I agree that people shouldn't litter, sell drugs or promote prostitution. But it's also a necessity that they not be discriminated against in the Job Market, so they can GET decent Jobs. I was talking to a guy who was from Korea, not a Black or Hispanic person. But he had dark skin. I saw him several times and he's very educated, too! But just because of his dark skin, he had told me that he'd been all over on more than 50 Interviews, and no one would hire him! I KNOW it happens, because I have personal friends who've been through it! I was discriminated against because of being over 40, in the Computer Industry. There was a show about the existence of that on Dateline on NBC. Back to the Shelter Asbury. Don't worry about it, because the Shelter is opening in September, whether SUFA likes it or not. Just don't be Stupid and Brainwashed by those lying to you and saying that the Shelter will BRING more Homeless IN! What does THAT, is the Local PEOPLE in other towns who tell their Police to drop off their Homeless at the Train Station in Asbury Park. Neptune even does that to us! The shelter's NOT going to Increase, but actually eventually DECREASE the Homeless. I suggest that you call Dave Scott who's the Director, and after you speak with him, or meet with him, you'll know that you've been lied to and taken advantage of by Racists using you for their cause! deals were made with the developer to get rid of Afro-Americans, and that's why rent Control can't get through! You're strings are getting pulled, too, and you don't know it! I'm on your side most of the way. I was everything nice too, but not at the price of hurting others to get things for ME! That's the difference between me and those leaders you're getting sucked in to following! IF the City passed Rent Control, got serious about Affordable Housing and worked on Jobs and training Programs, in a few years there'd be almost NO problems here. You don't believe me, but the way things are getting done, they're making it worse! Tell me, if you had a Sister who was doing Drugs, would you help her to get into a Rehab and get
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Steve, Show me proof of how the groups you mentioned are purposely stacking the decks against the blacks Go ahead, prove it, and if anybody agrees with you on that, they should chime in too. I'm a very open minded person. If you can convince me that this is the case, then i'll go fight that too. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, You did say Personally, I'd love to see AP do as much as it possibly can to enhance the relationship between the black and white communities of AP. .. Right? Well, I'd like to know HOW the relations can improve when the City, Developer and Groups like AP Action and SUFA and others are purposely stacking the Decks against the Blacks? Most of the Housing they can afford is gone or going, there are few Jobs where they can be hired and earn a Living Wage, the Powers to Be don't want Rent Control, which would slow the Gentrification! And now you guys are trying to get rid of a Last Resort to pick them up when they're Homeless! Do you mind TELLING Me How relations can get better when the Afro-Americans have an all out WAR against them? Get Real! Anybody want to work on a plan to Create 1,000 Jobs in the Neptune High Tech Corporate Park? THAT would help the Poor immensely ??? Steve --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Steve, At what point did you think saying the following was needed; If you're SO unhappy here, and don't want to help with the Root Problems, then why not SELL your house, grab the Profit, and BUY in an all white city? In Urban Cities, you MUST deal with a much larger mix of People, Situations and Problems! At no point did i say that I was SO unhappy here. I love Asbury and i'm here to stay. The whole point of my response to you was that you keep condemming racism, but every once in awhile you throw in the race card yourself. You mentioned a War on Blacks Please explain that to me. Do you have concrete proof about that? Personally, i'd love to see AP do as much as it possibly can to enhance the relationship between the black and white communities of AP. I've seen that work in other places, why can't we do that here? And yeah, i'm a newcomer and i'm uninformed about everything that makes AP tick. That's why i'm here. I'm trying to learn. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Steve asburysteve2001@ wrote: Jack, I agree with about 97% of what you say! Where I live, I just had to E-Mail my one Landlord, because the People HERE were throwing Garbage all over! But a Homeless Shelter, particularly one that is a Mission, which rehabilitates people, and goes beyond just being a flop house, is NOT the type of thing you should oppose! If you do, then 30 More People will just be ON the Streets hassling you, instead of getting help! As far as my comments, I was responding to the person who mentioned that the Syrian Jews were buying up Houses in their neighborhood. I didn't say anything BAD about them, just what's TRUE! Besides, real Racism is exhibited in Actions against People, or at least that's what hurts them, like what you guys are doing with SUFA! I agree that people shouldn't litter, sell drugs or promote prostitution. But it's also a necessity that they not be discriminated against in the Job Market, so they can GET decent Jobs. I was talking to a guy who was from Korea, not a Black or Hispanic person. But he had dark skin. I saw him several times and he's very educated, too! But just because of his dark skin, he had told me that he'd been all over on more than 50 Interviews, and no one would hire him! I KNOW it happens, because I have personal friends who've been through it! I was discriminated against because of being over 40, in the Computer Industry. There was a show about the existence of that on Dateline on NBC. Back to the Shelter Asbury. Don't worry about it, because the Shelter is opening in September, whether SUFA likes it or not. Just don't be Stupid and Brainwashed by those lying to you and saying that the Shelter will BRING more Homeless IN! What does THAT, is the Local PEOPLE in other towns who tell their Police to drop off their Homeless at the Train Station in Asbury Park. Neptune even does that to us! The shelter's NOT going to Increase, but actually eventually DECREASE the Homeless. I suggest that you call Dave Scott who's the Director, and after you speak with him, or meet with him, you'll know that you've been lied to and taken advantage of by Racists using you for their cause! deals were made with the developer to get rid of Afro-Americans, and that's why rent Control can't get through! You're strings are getting pulled, too, and you don't know it! I'm on your side most of the way. I was
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Jack, I completely agree with you about the race card being uses to freely lately. My legally-married-husband is a Hispanic immigrant and he supports Stand Up For Asbury! I guess he might know what Asbury Steve (a white man according to pictures on his website) means by ... most of these People don't even understand what problems Minorities Face, or know ANYTHING about them! I disagree with Asbury Steve's comments that you cannot be anti-Mission and care about the homeless. That is like the Republicians saying you cannot be anti-Iraq War while Supporting the Troops. Cher proves that wrong by being vocal against the Iraq War while donating and help raise money for Operation Helmet, which pays about $100 to modify the inside of soldiers' helmets to make them better able to absorb shock from a bomb blast. (SOURCE - MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13351659/) A police officer in Morristown where the Market Street Mission (MSM) is located states that the problem is not the shelter itself but the location. Morristown has a few shelters and most of them are a distance from their business center. Unfortunitely, MSM is next to a public park in the business district and when all of the clients are discharged until nighttime, many hang in groups that adversely affect the business area. In addition, there is emergency housing currently available in multiple locations in Asbury Park. They may not be official shelters, but they do shelter the homeless. The police officer said that if the MSM was located further away from the business district like the other shelters, the local business would have not been impacted so. Memorial between Sewall and Asbury Ave is close to Asbury Park's sprouting business district. The Mission at this location would kick the feet from under it. Being against an improperly run homeless shelter that does not do background checks like others in New Jersey State does not make you a racist. This was another concern about MSM of the police officer, for obvious reasons. The clients of the Mission to be located at Memorial between Sewall and Asbury Avewould be discharge approximately 7 AM in the morning. There is a school bus that kids using in the morning at Memorial and Sewall. I do not believe that a place that does not perform criminal background checks that would prevent felons and sexual offenders should let there clients out the door in front of children, especially since today's fiscal reality makes it very likely that the parents will be at or commuting to work and the children will be unsupervised. Unfortunitely, the police officer said there was nothing that they could do since MSM was already there. He did wish Stand Up For Asbury! luck in fighting this expansion. Respectfully, Tom Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:"Tell me, if you had a Sister who was doing Drugs, would you help her to get into a Rehab and get better, or just condemn her to Homelessness with NO way out? Yes, she'd be wrong for her drug habit, but she'd also deserve help!"I have a brother in such a situation. He repeatedly wnet to rehab and went back onto drugs. The family helped him out. He stole from the family. He did petty crimes. The family helped him out. He stole from the family. He did petty crimes. The pattern repeated another four times until he and his pregnant girlfriend got caught doing a smash-and-grab. He went to jail.Going to rehab alone does not solve the problem. Taking self-responsibilty for your actions and seeking help out does. All of the services, shelters, and charities mean squat if you do not want help. Sometimes, rock-bottom is the only place to start rebuilding your life from. It is harsh, but often true. My brother is an example. So far, he is sober.Steve also wrote: "There's JUST as much drugs in white cities, it's just that it's done behind closed doors, and Mommy Daddy ship them to an out of State Rehab where no one even knows what happened! Thre was a major Cocaine Crisis in Clifton in the late 1980's, and most of the people, almost all of them, were white! But you couldn't see it that much in the streets."My brother is white. He did not have anyone to send him away to rehab. Oh, wait, the assorted judges did for his petty crimes, like any other drug addict crime no matter what race they are. It did not help because he did not want help.Tom __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Tom, You said " In addition, there is emergency housing currently available in multiple locations in Asbury Park. " To my knowledge there's NO Emergency Housing of any type for single males in Asbury Park. You called me on Sources, now please kindly inform me of the Addresses of this "Emergency Housing, and the Programs that run them, would you please? As far as school children, no school that I'm aware of opens before 8 AM, and since the furthest distance is a Mile to travel in Asbury, that's a 5 minute trip! The buses that pick up school kids at my apartment come at 8 AM. By then, where ever the People are going, they'll be there! Bottom line is that you folks just consider the Homeless to be no more than Animals, so you don't even want to find out the true facts, or God forbid, HELP with the problem! And just to divert to the Housing Problem, if there was more affordable housing, it would pick up the standard of living here, especially the half that's usually Owned by the Residents. It's a known fact that People who own have more pride in their home, and take better care of it. Furthermore, when Habitat for Humanity hit their 25th year, the Stats showed that the Mortgages on those homes had a 95% solvency rate, compared to 77% on regular Mortgages! Kind of tells you that a LOT of People appreciated getting a "Hand Up", and were, and are, responsible Homeowners! Gay marriage isn't Legal yet in NJ, although I'm rooting for it. So how can you have a " legally-married-husband is a Hispanic immigrant? " If you were married in Massachusetts, it's not legal in NJ, yet. Cher didn't start the original Operation Helmet, a Family with a son in Iraq from out West did! Either Cher's a spokeswoman, contributor, or it's a clone program! But, whatever you say, if you're against a last ditch resort for a home in Asbury Park for the Homeless, you're against the Homeless! Otherwise what ARE you doing for them, other than torturing them? So, you'll let me know where those multiple "Emergency Housing" Rooms are for single men, right Tom? I'd like to know, because you seem to be the only person who's mentioned them in the 10 years since I've been here! I don't think even Tony Nuccio or Hazel Sammuels know of their existence! Once again, to do Background checks is Illegal, since it's against the People's rights. Dave can't change that if he wants. Fort Monmouth is a military base, so they can use provisions under Homeland Security to do it. I believe that it is also illegal to turn away Gays, due to Federal law, so that's another smoke screen excuse for doing Dirty Work to discriminate against People down on their luck! It's just a Mute Fact at this point, because the Mission's opening in September! They won their fight in Court! Oh, and if you want to discuss what these People have lived through with a Police Officer IN Asbury Park, who knows what has happened HERE over 40-50 years, go and talk with Lt. George Corbin. He's one of the best around! And that area is zoned Industrial Commercial, NOT residential or small business! It has been for many years! Steve See you at the Grand Opening in September? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, I completely agree with you about the race card being uses to freely lately. My legally-married-husband is a Hispanic immigrant and he supports Stand Up For Asbury! I guess he might know what Asbury Steve (a white man according to pictures on his website) means by "... most of these People don't even understand what problems Minorities Face, or know ANYTHING about them!" I disagree with Asbury Steve's comments that you cannot be anti-Mission and care about the homeless. That is like the Republicians saying you cannot be anti-Iraq War while Supporting the Troops. Cher proves that wrong by being vocal against the Iraq War while donating and help raise money for "Operation Helmet, which pays about $100 to modify the inside of soldiers' helmets to make them better able to absorb shock from a bomb blast." (SOURCE - MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13351659/) A police officer in Morristown where the Market Street Mission (MSM) is located states that the problem is not the shelter itself but the location. Morristown has a few shelters and most of them are a distance from their business center.Unfortunitely, MSM is next to a public park in the business district and when all of the clients are discharged until nighttime, many hang in groups that adversely affect the business area. In addition, there is emergency housing currently available in multiple locations in Asbury Park. They may not be official shelters, but they do shelter the homeless. The police officer said that if the MSM was located further away from the business district like the other shelters, the local business would have not been impacted so. Memorial between Sewall and Asbury Ave is close to Asbury Park's sprouting business district. The Mission at this
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:"You said " In addition, there is emergency housing currently available in multiple locations in Asbury Park. To my knowledge there's NO Emergency Housing of any type for single males in Asbury Park. You called me on Sources, now please kindly inform me of the Addresses of this "Emergency Housing, and the Programs that run them, would you please?"I'll get the info and post it over the next 24-36 hours."As far as school children, no school that I'm aware of opens before 8 AM, and since the furthest distance is a Mile to travel in Asbury, that's a 5 minute trip! The buses that pick up school kids at my apartment come at 8 AM. By then, where ever the People are going, they'll be there!"You assume everyone has someplace to go. Many do not and either sit or wander about.How old are those kids that go to school at 8 AM? Does the high school start earlier? "Gay marriage isn't Legal yet in NJ, although I'm rooting for it. So how can you have a " legally-married-husband is a Hispanic immigrant? " If you were married in Massachusetts, it's not legal in NJ, yet."Massachusetts wed and my state pension recognizes my marriage. It also recognizes Canada, Spain, and other countries."Cher didn't start the original Operation Helmet, a Family with a son in Iraq from out West did! Either Cher's a spokeswoman, contributor, or it's a clone program!"Please read my posting more carefully - I never said Cher started Operation Helmut. I said she donated and helps raise money for it. Thus she is both a spokeperson and a contributor." Once again, to do Background checks is Illegal, since it's against the People's rights. Dave can't change that if he wants. Fort Monmouth is a military base, so they can use provisions under Homeland Security to do it."According to what laws? Federal? State? Local? Ohio performs background checks (SOURCE: http://burr.kent.edu/spr06stories/homeless.html). Wisconsin performs background checks (SOURCE: http://www.madison.com/communities/ihn/pages/danecountykids.php?php_page_set=0). Maryland performs background checks (SOURCE: http://www.hocmc.org/DaleDrive.htm).Kentucy performs background checks (SOURCE: http://plfo.org/advocate/volume_3_issue_3/boulware_sets_sights/)Florida performs background checks (SOURCE: http://www.pathofcitrus.org/History.htm)New Jersey performs background checks - "New Jersey law requires the publicly funded shelter to do a background check to determine a person's reasons for being homeless, last place of residence and other background information. Prospective residents are told they could be turned over to police if they're being sought by authorities. " (SOURCE: http://www.thedailyjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050503/NEWS01/505030319/1002)."I believe that it is also illegal to turn away Gays, due to Federal law, so that's another smoke screen excuse for doing Dirty Work to discriminate against People down on their luck!"Federal Discrimiation Laws do not protect sexual orientation. If you find a Federal law that says otherwise, please let myself, the ACLU, Lambda Legal, and the HRC know when you do." Oh, and if you want to discuss what these People have lived through with a Police Officer IN Asbury Park, who knows what has happened HERE over 40-50 years, go and talk with Lt. George Corbin. He's one of the best around!"I have spoken with AP police officers but they cannot speak on the impact of the proposed shelter since they have not experienced it like the Morristown PD has. "And that area is zoned Industrial Commercial, NOT residential or small business! It has been for many years!"Please consult the zoning map. The Mission would be less than 200 feet from residental zone and a block from Main Street."See you at the Grand Opening in September?"Alas, I will be working but thank you for the offer. if SUFA is successful, I will extend the same invitation.Tom __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Camden has rent control. I know of a 40 unit aprtment for sale there as well. The price is around $1.5m, with high offer of $1.2m. At those prices, the landlord will not make any money. Average rent: $330 per month for a 1 bedroom. The previous slumlord would not make repairs, because of the circle of crappy tenants, rent control not giving increases etc etc. A true slumlord. It was cheaper to pay the fines. Couldn't evict the tenants either who destroyd the places, sold drugs or engaged in prostitution. Some tenants have been there for 20 years. New owner has to sell due to legal reasons. In the process of total overahaul. Max rent up to $500 or more month. Glouchester Twp nicer area. Give yourselves a lesson in Rent Control: http://www.ci.camden.nj.us/departments/forms/RentControlBooklet.pdf Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi Tom, Thanks for replying! I'll begin with your Stalin and Hitler references. They were both Powerful men who got drunk with Power, and at least Hitler was tremendously unbalanced. But my analogy was to point out that the same method is being used by Asbury Partners here in the City to chase out the weak. And although most of them are minorities, ANYONE without significant means, or government assistance, is under pressure. And not ONE person in the "Redevelopment Camp" even GIVE a Crap about these People! The Atlantic and Belmont Hotels had primarily Disabled People in them, who are incapable of helping themselves! Many of them were "Shipped" to East Orange or Newark, and lost their entire Support System here, as well as being moved to a relatively HORRIBLE place to live compared to where they were! Back to Stalin, etc. Are you aware that Worldwide, including in most European Nations In fact, in over 200 Countries in total .. That the US is now considered as THE Most Dangerous Country in the World? I Agree! Bush invaded Iraq for NO sufficient Military or Safety Reason. In fact, he destabilized the ENTIRE Middle East more than it had previously been before! Worse, it was the FIRST Time that any US President ever illegally Invaded a Foreign Country in our History! And you may not know it, but not only did he start to plan the Invasion in January of 2001 (On Record), but he already now has plans to Invade Iran because he's losing the Iraq War! But he wants to do it with low yield Nuclear Weapons! Bush is Starting WWIII, and now with our Puppet Israel being in Lebanon, all hell probably will break lose next year. Israel's gone TOO far this time! But Bush WANTS exactly what's happening to go on! Our entire Country is turning into a Country that takes advantage of it's OWN People, as well as People all over the World. In Columbia, Coca Cola Workers are paid $2 a day to make Coke! And if they try to form a Union to get MORE, they're assassinated by a Para-Military Force that's paid for THROUGH Coca Cola's profits! So if you drink Coke, you are enslaving Columbians and killing some! Is that what we really WANT as Americans? Sorry, but it IS as bad as the Nazis were! We just enslave people, rather than killing them! I'm a US citizen, but also a Swiss citizen, and I'm much more proud right now of the Swiss part, than of being an American, whose President is an Imperialist and a Murderer! And ALL that these People in the Redevelopment Process CARE about is Making money at the COST of 75% of the People living in Asbury Park! Not only that, but the Redevelopers are in default of their legal obligation to Restore the Casino and Convention Hall. They're in default of their agreement to hire 20% of their workforce FROM the Asbury Park Workforce! That's even with almost Everything being GIVEN to them! Even Larry Fishman said on the Radio that "The City Representatives are supposed to be my adversaries, but they're giving me everything I want"! Is THAT good for the City? And back to the Shelter. I placed a call to the Executive Director about what I believe to be false claims about their intentions for the Shelter here. His name is Dave Scott, and I will Post what his answers are when I receive his call back this week. I'll tell you now though, that many people go to prison for something as little as not having paid a ticket, and they don't deserve to be punished for life because of that! Hundreds of People were imprisoned unfairly from here over the years, just to disempower them! In fact, even though I NEVER did anything illegal in Asbury Park in my ten years here, Tony Nuccio made a comment to me last year which went "I should have had you thrown in Prison while I could have". Which indicates that HE set people up on false prison charges MANY Times! And he's our HEAD of Social Services! I've eaten with the Homeless many times, particularly at Reverend Nunn's events when he serves a Dinner to them. Most of them are actually quite nice people, and almost all have been unfairly and severely abused by our own City People and others! Some of these People who condemn and attack the Poor and Homeless in Asbury should do some research and see WHY these People get into their situations in the first place. Deputy Mayor Bruno Admitted openly that he's a Racist around Christmas time last year. One of his remarks to that affect was "The Blacks caused ALL of the problems in Asbury Park"! The reality is that he and Terry Weldon and others kept Blacks off of working at the Fire dept. for YEARS! And NOW Mr. Bruno is further hurting them by rejecting Rent Control and trying to stop Affordable Housing, as well as not doing anything to force Asbury Partners to Honor THEIR Redevelopment Agreement and to hire 20% Asbury People! I'll get back on your Issue about the Shelter, but I assure you that it won't be that bad! Have a good day, Tom! Steve --- In As[EMAIL PROTECTED], "Tom" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys are even using the wrong name The name of their Morristown Operation ... Which by the way, has been very successful and mostly accepted by the Community! Actually, I spoke with local law enforcement off the record and was informed that in their personal the Mission is a problem for Morris town. While they admit that a shelter is necessary, the Market Street Mission is a problem because of its location of being in the heart of their business district. They said that if that shelter was eight or so blocks away from the downtown area, the clients would not roam around in packs distrupting local business. The other shelters in the area are further away from the business center. They also said that since there are no background checks performed at the Market Street Mission, the prisons have taken up the practice to refer the freshly released inmates with records that would not pass the County and Salvation Army background checks to the Market Street Mission. Logic dictates the same would follow in Asbury Park. Please do not throw names like Hitler around so loosely. STALIN was for a equal playing field of the Russian people and look what he did to his people. Also, look at the leaders of North Korea and China. If those leaders are your preference, forgive me for not drinking the Kool Aid. Tom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hey Paul, Everyone has a right to an Opinion, but unfortunately what's coming out of your Group SUFA seems to include Lies and Distortions of the Real Truth! Fact is that Surveys have already been taken, and there are enough Homeless and Poor (For the Daily Meals) in the IMMEDIATE Asbury Park Area to Justify an even bigger Shelter than the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission. You guys are even using the wrong name The name of their Morristown Operation ... Which by the way, has been very successful and mostly accepted by the Community! The Atlantic City rescue Mission, which is one of the best in NJ, DOES take people from all over because of it's Gigantic Capacity and phenomenal turn around. Our shelter will actually be Undersized for the Population of Homeless just in the Greater Asbury Park Area, and chances are slim to NONE that People will be coming from Newark, Paterson, etc., as your Propaganda has Said! Maybe you should have a Meeting to END Homelessness, and discuss how to get: 1. Rent Control 2. Low Income Affordable Housing 3. Living Wage Jobs If the Redevelopment wasn't CREATING Homelessness due to the Lack of Will, Action or Desire to get the Above Three Things into Effect, there virtually wouldn't BE much Homelessness here! But it's happening all over, not JUST in Asbury Park. Many formerly Middle Classed WHOLE families are now Homeless Call up the Group run by 14 Churches in Keansburg who House Whole FAMILIES who were previously Working, then lost their Jobs and became Homeless. They have a 5 Year List to help People . And many are from right near here ...All in Monmouth County! Your Group will just Aggravate the Situation by not Dealing with the REAL Problems (Lack of Above 3 things others)! When you're not a part of the Solution, you ARE a Part of the PROBLEM, which is EXACTLY what Stand Up For Asbury IS! Why don't you DEMAND Both Middle Class AND Low Income Housing to be Included in the Building, as it is even done in some really Nice Sections of California? How about helping ME and my Friends to create Jobs for not ONLY the Poor, but for people such as the Fort Monmouth People about to be out of work SOON? That Ft. Monmouth situation is going to bump people from Solid Middle Class to POOR VERY Quickly! Since Cities with Rent Control have grown in a HIGHLY more stable way than ones without it over the past 30 Years (See Policylink.org ..Rent Control), why not use your intelligence to help engineer a Phenomenal rent Control Ordinance, and help to get it passed? By the Way, are you getting Wealthy off the Redevelopment Blowing everything out of Proportion including Rents Real Estate Values? I'd Venture to guess that the answer is YES to that question, either that, or you're just not too Bright (5 Watts?) ! Everything being done is making Asbury Park WORSE, not better, but the greedy ones who probably also run SUFA are either too Blind or too Corrupt and selfish to see what would be better Long Term for the City! What's being done now is VERY similar to what HITLER tried to do to the German Population in the 1930's-40's! It's Ironic though, because the Same type of People who Suffered from Hitler's Actions Then, are RUNNING what's happening in Asbury Park ... And they're JUST as Ruthless, Heartless and Corrupt .. But just more Sneaky, and they have smart, immoral and Corrupt as Hell Lawyers to bend the Laws to the Max while spreading Pain and Sinning against their Neighbors! Have a Wonderful Afterlife! I hope it doesn't get too Hot for you Folks! Karma's a Bitch, especially the Pay Back for the Bad Kind! Steve --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stand Up For Asbury! is holding a meeting to discuss legal appeals to the variances issued to The Market Street Mission, a homeless shelter and soup kitchen to open on the corner of Memorial and Sewall in Asbury Park. WHEN: (This) Saturday, June 24th at 4:00 PM WHERE: 511 Second Ave, Asbury Park. There will be at least one representative from the City Council as well as representatives from several Asbury Park leadership bodies at the meeting. The meeting will be brief. Anyone who opposes the establishment of the Market Street Mission in Asbury Park is welcome to attend. Donations to help finance our appeal can be sent to: Stand up for Asbury! P.O. Box 643 Asbury Park, NJ 07712 Checks should be made payable to Stand Up For Asbury! Sincerely, Paul Vail 511 Second Ave Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury, Meeting!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul, I'm responding to a rather old message that I just saw scanning through while I was seeking something else! It appears to me that most of the New People who have arrived here in the past 5-7 years are actually Raping Asbury Park, NOT Standing Up for Anything good at ALL here! Steve, in case you haven't noticed, the Berlin Wall has come down. How am I raping Asbury? I continue to pay school taxes and don't use the system? You like to place blame for all this country's ills on those you characterize as rich or wealthy. Those same people pay a lot of the bills through taxes and by employing others. Is there a divide? Certainly. But anyone can go for the brass ring. Twenty years ago my salary put me below the poverty level. Now I pay more in local income taxes than many people earn. I don't begrudge paying those taxes and having a minor in economics, I fully understand that it is a redistribution of wealth. But then I don't appreciate being lectured by you. I would just like you to say thank you. Many of the solutions of the 1960's simply do not work. They have created generations of welfare recipients. Give a hungry man a fishing pole and not a fish. Must there be a safety net? Sure, but don't make it a permanent feather bed. The last thing AP needs is the Market Mission. They will not screen their customers and religious groups have a spotty record in being good neighbors operating such facilities. Stop makingblanket statements about those who support SUFA. I, and others who support it, do not support Fishman or the majority on the council wo have let him have his way. As more COs are delivered for new units, the more affordable housing payments are made by Partners. That money needs to be put to good use by the city (preferably by people like Keady) to find a long-term solution to homelessness and increase home ownership in AP. Couple that with ZERO TOLERANCE for crime and quality of life issues. It is you who are spouting racist views by demonizing and lump diverse persons into groups (newcomers from NYC). Want to make a difference? Make more money and pay more taxes. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury, Meeting!
Not sure if Keady should be the one to distribute low income house money since he is for the Market Street Mission.dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "Steve" asburysteve2001@... wrote: Hi Paul, I'm responding to a rather old message that I just saw scanning through while I was seeking something else! It appears to me that most of the "New" People who have arrived here in the past 5-7 years are actually Raping Asbury Park, NOT "Standing Up" for Anything good at ALL here!Steve, in case you haven't noticed, the Berlin Wall has come down. How am I raping Asbury? I continue to pay school taxes and don't use the system? You like to place blame for all this country's ills on those you characterize as rich or wealthy. Those same people pay a lot of the bills through taxes and by employing others. Is there a divide? Certainly. But anyone can go for the brass ring. Twenty years ago my salary put me below the poverty level. Now I pay more in local income taxes than many people earn. I don't begrudge paying those taxes and having a minor in economics, I fully understand that it is a redistribution of wealth. But then I don't appreciate being lectured by you. I would just like you to say thank you.Many of the solutions of the 1960's simply do not work. They have created generations of welfare recipients. Give a hungry man a fishing pole and not a fish. Must there be a safety net? Sure, but don't make it a permanent feather bed.The last thing AP needs is the Market Mission. They will not screen their "customers" and religious groups have a spotty record in being good neighbors operating such facilities. Stop makingblanket statements about those who support SUFA. I, and others who support it, do not support Fishman or the majority on the council wo have let him have his way. As more COs are delivered for new units, the more affordable housing payments are made by Partners. That money needs to be put to good use by the city (preferably by people like Keady) to find a long-term solution to homelessness and increase home ownership in AP. Couple that with ZERO TOLERANCE for crime and quality of life issues. It is you who are spouting racist views by demonizing and lump diverse persons into groups (newcomers from NYC).Want to make a difference? Make more money and pay more taxes. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Question DAN,How would he be able to make shelters obsolete after it is already in place? Even if every resident of AP had a home, this shelter will take in outsiders? dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@... wrote: Not sure if Keady should be the one to distribute low income house money since he is for the Market Street Mission. Keady is on the affordable housing committee. Despite his stand on the shelter, he is a good man. Further, he would rather be able to make shelters obsolete. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury, Meeting!
Steve, I really do not appreciate the use of the word racist as a blanket statement to label those against your point of view. In addition, statistics without a source attached to them are as worthless as the claims they are meant to support. To that effect, please review my main point and the statistics I offer to back it up: ASSERTION: Many community members are concerned about the ability of sexual offenders and drug addicts to stay at the Market Street Mission since there will be no background checks performed, unlike the Salvation Army and the County does. STATISTICS: In New Jersey in 2004, the following are the statistics of arrested individuals by race: (NOTE: The Federal Government and many state governments do not list Hispanic as a race but as ethnicity since you can be a White Hispanic or a Black Hispanic): Fifty-five percent of the arrested perpetrators were white, 44 percent were black and 1 percent were other races. White Black American Indian or Alaskan Native Asian or Pacific Islander Rape 276 218 0 4 Sex Offenses 1472 562 15 48 Prostitution and Vice 1433 915 4 114 Drug Abuse Violations 29269 26092 86 367 SOURCE: New Jersey Office of Attorney General 2004 Uniform Crime Report http://www.state.nj.us/lps/njsp/info/ucr2004/pdf/2004_sect3.pdf While almost half of the nations homeless population is African-American (49%), over a third are Caucasian (35%) SOURCE: National Coalition for the Homeless http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/facts/Whois.pdf Since the statistics show that the majority of the sexual offenses and drug-related offenses in New Jersey are committed by Caucasians and 35% of the countrys homeless population is Caucasian, I am comfortable in the fact that I am against the Market Street Mission for the right reasons and not for something ignorant like racism. I hope these statistics enlighten you in some manner. May God be with you. Respectfully, Tom Please donate to Stand Up For Asbury! via PayPal __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury, Meeting!
Hi Paul, I'm responding to a rather old message that I just saw scanning through while I was seeking something else! It appears to me that most of the New People who have arrived here in the past 5-7 years are actually Raping Asbury Park, NOT Standing Up for Anything good at ALL here! In fact, by these SAME People putting Puppets in that Control Every aspect of current Government the School System, they are MAKING the situation that's aggravating the Homeless Problem, as well as causing more Crime and the appearance of Gangs in the City! Two of our Council People have come right out and admitted they're Racist, and almost the entire Gay Population has Mobilized with the Fishman's to do whatever they CAN to Get rid of the TRASH here ...aka ...Afro-Americans! John Loffredo was heard making highly Racist comments right TO his friends in Front of one of my Landlords who related the incidence(s) to me! To REALLY Stand Up for Asbury Park trying to defeat the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission is not ONLY Useless Racist, but you've already failed! Why not TRY to work on creating Jobs and Affordable Housing for not ONLY the Poor, but the Middle Class, instead of being a Racist and just throwing Salt on a Bleeding Wound that you and your Friends have Created by endorsing the Leaches like the Fishmans' who are actually destroying Asbury, and the State, Long Term? Are you aware that right NOW 50% of the People living in NJ cannot PAY their Monthly Bills? And it's NOT because they're Lazy or don't Work! It's because Virtually NO Affordable Housing of ANY Level is being Created, as well as that George Bush, the New World Order and all of the Rich are eliminating GOOD Jobs and replacing them with Slave Wage Jobs all Over the USA! But Asbury NEEDS both Low Income AND Lower Middle Income People as WELL as some Wealthy People! Otherwise BAD problems will be encountered in the Future when the Area loses a gigantic part of it's Work Force, INCLUDING the People whom the Wealthy want to hire (But they don't want to help them get Affordable Housing or pay them a Living Wage!) Besides being Crude, lacking Morals and Flat out being STUPID to constantly Attack the Poor, it's also Anti-Religious, too! Do you have any Values, Bud? We need People of ALL Economic Leveles to not only LIVE here, but to Survive Thrive Happily! Until we DO Create that, we'll NEVER have a One Asbury Park, as Ed Johnson has described what I'm saying (A little more diplomatically than me, of course)! Steve --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stand Up For Asbury! is holding a meeting to discuss legal appeals to the variances issued to The Market Street Mission, a homeless shelter and soup kitchen to open on the corner of Memorial and Sewall in Asbury Park. WHEN: (This) Saturday, June 24th at 4:00 PM WHERE: 511 Second Ave, Asbury Park. There will be at least one representative from the City Council as well as representatives from several Asbury Park leadership bodies at the meeting. The meeting will be brief. Anyone who opposes the establishment of the Market Street Mission in Asbury Park is welcome to attend. Donations to help finance our appeal can be sent to: Stand up for Asbury! P.O. Box 643 Asbury Park, NJ 07712 Checks should be made payable to Stand Up For Asbury! Sincerely, Paul Vail 511 Second Ave Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It comes down to what is best for Asbury. Keady should view this from the resdients perspective. WE LIVE HERE. WE PAY TAXES HERE. Why support a mission that will be in OUR town to help others? I know this is needed however as we all know there are already plenty in Asbury. If there were an increase of Asbury residents needing assistance, and the facilities / programs were not able to handle, then I could understand. While I do not know the numbers I would think the homeless has declined. The councilman should put aside his selfish thoughts (while I understant are high) and represent the people of Asbury. That is why he was elected. dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 vailpj@ wrote: The consensus of the council was not unanimous. Councilman Keady made it clear last night that he supports the Market Street Mission's homeless shelter and soup kitchen on Asbury Avenue. Paul, you know that I personally support Stand Up For Asbury and disagree with my friend Jim Keady on this issue. I am glad that you merely reported the facts of his disagreement in your post. That being said, I think Jim's reluctance to oppose the shelter is based upon his religious and moral principles and that he stands on higher moral ground than I do in opposing it. While I commend both Messers. Loffredo and Johnson for their stand, I still beleive that Jim Keady is one of the best friends the citizens of Asbury Park have in city government. We just must agree to disagree on certain issues. My check is in the mail. What a racist view! YOU don't speak for ALL residents and you don't speak for me! I'm with Jim's view. When Marlboro Psychiatric Hospital closed, the mentally challenged began showing up here. The powers that be, back in the 80's were so busy getting theirs, no one seemed to care! I'll bet that the Mission will be a place that the homeless will flock to for lack of a better place to go. Go into the archives and see who was running Asbury Park, when they GAVE the City to Carabetta! Every administration since, have said THEY had the answer to this City's problems and every new administration are beset with the same problems as before. These are just old problems recycled. - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury! Post by Sharon Boone
Why is this a racist comment? Do you have the racial demographics of the homeless population? Please forward it to me if you do, otherwise do not stereotype the homeless as one race and assume anyone that is not in favor of the Market Street Mission is a racist. If you do not have the statistics on the racial breakdown of the homeless population, you are being racist by assuming a particular race is the majority of the homeless. By the way, which race did you assume, unless you do have a census you can share with the group, was being discriminated against? Oh, by the way, to make your :What a racist view!... comments easier to find, please take some time and properly format your postings so the group can be enlightened by your wisdom. Oh, signing your accusations is very helpful, as well. Respectfully, Tom Wolfe __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury! Post by Sharon Boone
I'd like to comment on the Market Street Mission, and my opposition to it. If I understand correctly, the people that are to stay there are to be trucked in from other cities, like Atlantic City and Newark. I also believe that these people will be out on the streets during the daytime. Here's the problem I have with this...let's say some of these people are drug addicts. Boy, they should be really happy, because for them, Asbury is one big drug playground. I know, because I see the evidence of it on my lawn, in the park down the street and around the horrible bungalows on the corner of Kingsley and 1st ave. Maybe some of these people are also alcoholics. So should I prepare myself to clean up an even greater amount of discarded beer and liquor bottles from my front lawn practically every morning? Don't get me wrong, I both feel for, and have empathy for the homeless. I was homeless once myself when I was 18 years old. True, some people wind up homeless due to circumstances beyond there control. But plenty of them wind up on the street because of problems like drugs and alcohol. In closing, since we in a period of rebirth in AP, how is the city going to benefit by adding this shelter? And once new residents start streaming in, how are they going to deal with the increased homeless population? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tom Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is this a racist comment? Do you have the racial demographics of the homeless population? Please forward it to me if you do, otherwise do not stereotype the homeless as one race and assume anyone that is not in favor of the Market Street Mission is a racist. If you do not have the statistics on the racial breakdown of the homeless population, you are being racist by assuming a particular race is the majority of the homeless. By the way, which race did you assume, unless you do have a census you can share with the group, was being discriminated against? Oh, by the way, to make your :What a racist view!... comments easier to find, please take some time and properly format your postings so the group can be enlightened by your wisdom. Oh, signing your accusations is very helpful, as well. Respectfully, Tom Wolfe Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It comes down to what is best for Asbury. Keady should view this from the resdients perspective. WE LIVE HERE. WE PAY TAXES HERE. Why support a mission that will be in OUR town to help others? I know this is needed however as we all know there are already plenty in Asbury. If there were an increase of Asbury residents needing assistance, and the facilities / programs were not able to handle, then I could understand. While I do not know the numbers I would think the homeless has declined. The councilman should put aside his selfish thoughts (while I understant are high) and represent the people of Asbury. That is why he was elected. A multi-post reply 1. I am a heterosexual and I rather the mission not come here. 2. I attended the Stand Up for Asbury meeting and there were other heterosexuals there. 3. There are many people in AP (gays and straights) that do not know about the shelter coming here and were concerned when they learned of it. 3. I don't think it is easy for many, including myself, to come out against the concept of a shelter. I think it is even harder to support it as Keady has done, or to be more specific, not oppose it. 4. Keady did not bring the shelter here. In fact, he wants to change the system which in part allows such services to be grouped in communitied like Asbury. If it is successful opening here, Keady is who you would want to make sure it is operated with minimal intrusion and nuisance. 5. Keady, or any elected official, can, and should vote their conscience. If this country has proven anything, it is that the majority should not rule in every case. 6.There appears to be no homeless shelters now in AP. 7. I asked if the homeless in AP had been counted. There are approximately 100 homeless persons in AP. 8. If a homeless shelter is required, I would rather that it be part of the municipal complex and that is run by the government. While government often does not run things well, I think we have more control. In view of the religious freedom act, I fear religious groups running these things. Especially any fundamental, right-wing Christian group. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury!
It comes down to what is best for Asbury.Keady should view this from the resdients perspective. WE LIVE HERE. WE PAY TAXES HERE. Why support a mission that will be in OUR town to help others? I know this is needed however as we all know there are already plenty in Asbury. If there were an increase of Asbury residents needing assistance, and the facilities / programs were not able to handle, then I could understand. While I do not know the numbers I would think the homeless has declined.The councilman should put aside his selfish thoughts (while I understant are high) and represent the people of Asbury. That is why he was elected.dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "paulvail1964" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The consensus of the council was not unanimous. Councilman Keady made it clear last night that he supports the Market Street Mission's homeless shelter and soup kitchen on Asbury Avenue. Paul, you know that I personally support Stand Up For Asbury and disagree with my friend Jim Keady on this issue. I am glad that you merely reported the facts of his disagreement in your post. That being said, I think Jim's reluctance to oppose the shelter is based upon his religious and moral principles and that he stands on higher moral ground than I do in opposing it. While I commend both Messers. Loffredo and Johnson for their stand, I still beleive that Jim Keady is one of the best friends the citizens of Asbury Park have in city government. We just must agree to disagree on certain issues. My check is in the mail. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The consensus of the council was not unanimous. Councilman Keady made it clear last night that he supports the Market Street Mission's homeless shelter and soup kitchen on Asbury Avenue. Paul, you know that I personally support Stand Up For Asbury and disagree with my friend Jim Keady on this issue. I am glad that you merely reported the facts of his disagreement in your post. That being said, I think Jim's reluctance to oppose the shelter is based upon his religious and moral principles and that he stands on higher moral ground than I do in opposing it. While I commend both Messers. Loffredo and Johnson for their stand, I still beleive that Jim Keady is one of the best friends the citizens of Asbury Park have in city government. We just must agree to disagree on certain issues. My check is in the mail. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
