4Or are you [so blind as to] trifle with and presume upon and despise
and underestimate the wealth of His kindness and forbearance and long-
suffering patience? Are you unmindful or actually ignorant [of the
fact] that God's kindness is intended to lead you to repent ([a]to
change your mind and
In a message dated 11/15/2008 9:43:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
4Or are you [so blind as to] trifle with and presume upon and despise
and underestimate the wealth of His kindness and forbearance and long-
suffering patience? Are you unmindful or actually ignorant
Fearing the poor isn't the problem. Fearing the desperate is.
--- On Thu, 11/13/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:31 PM
SUFA
Gabrielle, at the risk of reigniting this issue on this board, that
may be the greatest oversimplification of this situation I've seen.
There are always two sides to every argument and they are rarely as
simple as the good one and the bad one
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
I have to agree! For I was hungry and you gave me meat! I can't be
on the side of people who would turn the poor and homeless out. I
also can't tolerate those who make an industry out of it, either.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SUFA taught me
In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:10:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
... at the risk of reigniting this issue on this board, that
may be the greatest oversimplification of this situation I've seen.
There are always two sides to every argument and they are rarely as
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Gabrielle, at the risk of reigniting this issue on this board, that
may be the greatest oversimplification of this situation I've seen.
There are always two sides to every argument and they are rarely as
simple as
SUFA taught me something I never expected to learn.
Fear of the poor is quite possibly the ugliest human attribute there is.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy
angels with him, then shall
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I received word last night that Judge Lawson of the Freehold Superior
Court rejected the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission's appeal against the
decisions of the Asbury Park Zoning Board on ALL counts. I am waiting
to get a
Thank God.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I received word last night that Judge Lawson of the Freehold Superior
Court rejected the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission's appeal against the
decisions of the Asbury Park Zoning Board on ALL counts. I am
waiting
I think someone needs to buy mario a dictionary. Stand up for Asbury
and magnanimity can't possibly be in the same post
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 10/26/2007 1:23:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This
In a message dated 10/27/2007 11:13:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think someone needs to buy mario a dictionary. Stand up for Asbury and
magnanimity can't possibly be in the same post
Sarcasm seems to be the last refuge after 2 1/2 years of agonizing
Paul, good luck with your Cabanna club event.
For goodness sake would you consider updating your web site.
I just went there and your lead page has:
Next Council Meeting May 16
Next Zoning Meeting May 23
It's September 19... today.
Hope you have good weather. I do not agree with you on this
You must understand, kev, those with interests in AP believe that no
one else has valid interest in AP. They don't need anyone cleaning the
rose color off their goggles.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple
I understand. I think the one issue that has some in a knot is the
fact that the men in the shelter are released every day into the
public streets. What they must understand is that the Federal Court
made it illegal to keep them in for 24 hours a day. They are not to
be in prisoned in the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A CHEAP SHOT! I WAS HAVING A HEALTHY DIALOGUE FROM MY END,
Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
You got it!
I am referring everyone who turns to me for shelter to MSM.
Enjoy the fruit
I don't think it's so much about bad mouthing you.
You need to step back and think about the situation here in AP a little
differently.
Our city has had many more crime problems then LB, and for more then 30 years
the city
has been struggling. We residents have to cope with problems brought on
Jack, we've all been down the rational argument route with Kevin
before. He is a typical God is on my side zealot who believes his
point of view must be right and everyone who disagrees is against
God. We all know how much trouble this attitude can get us in. He
doesn't care about what's
ignorance is bliss, and you are wrong as par usual.
As a matter of fact one of my best friends and major supporters owns
a bus company. I could even get him to give me a bus and I can load
it up and bring all the homeless to already existing shelters in the
monmouth county area.
What a
track record 1889 - 2007 = 118 years of experience.
The fact that their CEO is making less than 100,000.00 a year in New
Jersey is extremely comendable.
Chicago nonprofits also pay their CEOs the most--a median of $184,753
a year for bosses of the 88 local charities in the sample.
Didn't I
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had
three options. Shelter, hospital or jail. He was not sick so the
hospital wouldn't take him. He was not jailable - so he had no
choice but to go to
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:
I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had
three options. Shelter, hospital or jail. He was not sick so
the
hospital wouldn't
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, what do we do with the homeless Dan. I know you long enough to
know you are reasonable. I agree that dumbing and relocating are
wrong. This isn't to say I agree with the three horseman of Asbury's
position - I
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:
So, what do we do with the homeless Dan. I know you long enough
to
know you are reasonable. I agree that dumbing and relocating are
wrong. This
In a message dated 9/8/2007 10:16:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:but most important helping homeless
is.Matthew 25 that some will go to heaven and some not simply based
on what they did in situations. One of those situations is what we did
with a homeless person..the
There are lots of smart people who can both quote Isaiah and innovate
ways to end, rather than enable, homelessness.
VV
but thats not what Is was saying, nor Jesus.
Jesus did however say, The Poor you will have with you always...
For
In a message dated 9/8/2007 1:34:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My heart goes out to you and your concerns. I am a missioner, I
don't prefer to work with folks with these types of troubles. I am
called vocationally to do it.
In a message dated 9/9/2007 2:29:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
but thats not what Is was saying, nor Jesus.
You implied some will go to hell: ...tells people in Matthew 25 that some
will go to heaven and some not simply based on what they did in situations.
OK you agree it's inefficient. and you said, OK: You are quoting one
official you has testified his opinion not substaniated facts. [
Morristown Police Chief Pete Demnitz ...said sometimes police feel the
mission is not being truthful ]
So it's inefficient AND at least you acknowledge the
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A CHEAP SHOT! I WAS HAVING A HEALTHY DIALOGUE FROM MY END,
Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
This thread started when you felt, from Long Branch, compelled to take Paul
to task about an AP issue:
Healthy? I dunno.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually it's not a cheap shot. Why don't you focus on Long Branch
issues and stay out of ours. I sense nobody wants you in either
place but you live there so they are stuck with you.
Your issues are with Long Branch. Why keep inviting Asbury
residents
to join your causes?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Actually it's not a cheap shot. Why don't you focus on Long Branch
issues and stay out of ours. I sense nobody wants you in either
place but you live there so they are stuck with you.
I'll focus on what I wish
In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:30:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the Mission has ...a prooven track record.
That's a mere assertion.
What proof and what track are you referring to?
Here's the record -- a long list of data, not assertions; be prepared
In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:30:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Paul,Be careful about your unsubstantiated allegations of wrong doing.
You can open yourself up to a defamation and slander action.
Asbury Park Press, March 22, 2007 by Nancy Shields:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:30:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the Mission has ...a prooven track record.
That's a mere assertion.
What proof and what track are you referring to?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:30:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Paul,Be careful about your unsubstantiated allegations of
wrong doing.
You can open yourself up to a defamation and slander
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:30:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Paul,Be careful about your unsubstantiated allegations of
wrong doing.
You can open yourself up to a defamation and slander
In a message dated 9/8/2007 1:33:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If thats all the dirt you can dig up on them, then
Not looking for dirt. Just what the court asked for: How will JSRM
benefit this town?
Incidents, like that below in Morristown, are
io capire completamente. Sono giusto provare verso incoraggiare tu
verso lasciare lo essere.
i was raised in an italian house hold.
Covenant House International is a program serving homeless and
runaway young people, primarily teenagers, and providing shelter and
rehabilitation services to
Paul, in the spirit of what Werner just went through, I am gonna say
this to you gently and like a dutch brother.
Be careful about your unsubstantiated allegations of wrong doing.
You can open yourself up to a defamation and slander action.
You have tried to fight the openning of this faith
It's very sad to see that some have evolved while other's have
remained true to origin.
While you build an attractive new beachfront, you can not filter out
who you attract. Hilter tried that, it doesn't work.
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Kevin, this is a new low - even for you.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's very sad to see that some have evolved while other's have
remained true to origin.
While you build an attractive new beachfront, you can not filter out
who you attract.
Your Founding Fathers, were also the bigges hypocrites in American
History, for owning slaves and amassing their fortunes, from FREE
LABOR, for which Black Americans, descendants of 450 years of slavery
in America, STILL, haven't been compensated for, which keeps us
perpetually BEHIND! Why else
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Kevin, the biggest sign of how discounted and irrelevant you have
become on this board is how little response and emotion you have
generated with your ridiculous ranting. Even rolemover can still
get
some people to
I appreciate your point, in as much as you have a right to it.
There was not one ounce of blarney in my post.
Points of Fact:
45 States have constitutional amendments that define marriage as
between one man and one woman.
The leadership of all anti faith based social groups are either gay
I appreciate your point, in as much as you have a right to it.
There was not one ounce of blarney in my post.
Points of Fact:
45 States have constitutional amendments that define marriage as
between one man and one woman.
The leadership of all anti faith based social groups are either gay
Kevin, the biggest sign of how discounted and irrelevant you have
become on this board is how little response and emotion you have
generated with your ridiculous ranting. Even rolemover can still get
some people to react emotionally to his hate-filled rants.
Go start a Long Branch board and
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:29:21 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury!
I'm surprised the Chief of Police of Morristown was called as a witness by the
lawyer for Stand Up for Asbury. Most of what he said was favorable things
about
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me be the one to say it out loud.
The only real reason there is a conflict over This Mission in Asbury
Park is
because the spiritual leaders of this organization have gone on the
record
that homosexuality is a sex
You are entitled to your opinion, but it is nothing but blarney.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me be the one to say it out loud.
The only real reason there is a conflict over This Mission in
Asbury Park is
because the spiritual leaders of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This country has been blessed...
with forefathers wise enough to establish a Democratic Republic,
complete
with safeguards to ward off theocrats like those in Iran, Iraq and
Saudi Arabia
who claim to know God's will,
.
Original Message
Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury Is Solely a Gay agenda Date:
3/23/2007 9:12:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on:
--- In [EMAIL
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Didn't forget. Was trying to stay contemporary for the AD crowd.
Add pre
WWII Japan to your list.
Point taken. I am no agnostic or aetheist, I just like my religion and
government like my scotch - neat.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One last reminder. The zoning board reconvenes tonight to
reconsider
the variances issued to the Market Street Mission. Supporters of
Stand
Up For Asbury are urged to attend.
Tuesday, March 20th 2007 7:00 p.m.
ASBURY PARK As city zoners reconsider their 2006 approval for a 40-bed
gospel
rescue homeless shelter, one of the emerging issues is that the shelter will
draw in
homeless men from many towns or counties and not just the city's homeless.
It was clearly told to the zoning board that this
Thats just the Press version. How about a first hand independent
account?
Werner
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I'm surprised the Chief of Police of Morristown was called as a witness by the
lawyer for Stand Up for Asbury. Most of what he said was favorable things
about the mission. He said Morristown is thriving with
bars/restaurants/businesses. People are living in beautiful Victorian homes.
The
I completely disagree with Mr. Keady on this issue, but do respect his taking a
very
unpopular stand that will likel cost him votes based on principle.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arsenia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I admire Councilman Keady. His attendance to these meetings and
Steve, I don't tihnk you're being discriminated against because you're over 40
and in the
industry. So was/am I. The fun and free spending ended. The year 2k ended.
ATT ended for
many consultants. You're part right - many jobs went to India and helf India
came here to
work for half the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Dear Friends,
As per my fears, I just confirmed, without a doubt, that the
Leaders,
and possibly Members, of Stand Up For Asbury, are using
manufactured
lies and falsehoods to create fear in the Community against the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve,
I don't get it.
You claim other groups are racist, but you make comments like the
following;
Yes, Syrian Jews Hasidics are both One the Move to take over
the entire area. What I've
heard about that Ocean Area is
He is an anti-Semite. Follow some of his back posts on Jewish
conspiracy to control AP. He is confusing the issue of opposition to
the shelter with forcing Afro-Americans out of AP.
Anti-Semite, anti-social, loner hoping to recast himself as a latter
day Christ in a vain attempt to curry favor,
Skip,
You'd better tread lightly with your continuing lies about me, or your
butt will end up in Court! You have crossed the Line, as you did once
before!
Steve
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "He is an anti-Semite. Follow some of his back
Steve,
Could you please explain the following statement that you made;
The Truth is that SUFA is just another group which has been created by
extremely Racist
People trying to get the Afro-Americans out of town as fast as they CAN, for
their own
financial gain (Or so they think)
How is their
Hi Jack,
I'm
not meaning to personally insult you, or anyone who somehow sincerely feels the
Shelter is bad. But three obvious lies have been used to turn people
against the shelter, and to get people's support using these falsehoods, and
it's NOT right!
The lies are that:
The
Steve,
I don't get it.
You claim other groups are racist, but you make comments like the following;
Yes, Syrian Jews Hasidics are both One the Move to take over the entire
area. What I've
heard about that Ocean Area is that due to the fact that there's a
transportation route to
New York
Jack,
I agree with about 97% of what you say! Where I live, I just had to E-Mail my one
Landlord, because the People HERE were throwing Garbage all over!
But a Homeless Shelter, particularly one that is a
"Mission", which rehabilitates people, and goes beyond just being a
flop house, is
Steve,
At what point did you think saying the following was needed;
If you're SO unhappy here, and don't want to help with the Root Problems,
then why not
SELL your house, grab the Profit, and BUY in an all white city? In Urban
Cities, you MUST
deal with a much larger mix of People,
Jack,
You did say "Personally, I'd love to see AP do as much as it
possibly can to enhance the relationship between the black and
white communities of AP." .. Right?
Well, I'd like to know HOW the relations can
improve when the City, Developer and Groups like AP Action and SUFA and
others
Steve,
Show me proof of how the groups you mentioned are purposely stacking the decks
against the blacks
Go ahead, prove it, and if anybody agrees with you on that, they should chime
in too.
I'm a very open minded person. If you can convince me that this is the case,
then i'll go
fight that
Jack,
I completely agree with you about the race card being uses to freely
lately. My legally-married-husband is a Hispanic immigrant and he
supports Stand Up For Asbury! I guess he might know what Asbury Steve
(a white man according to pictures on his website) means by ... most
of these People
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:"Tell me, if you had a Sister who was doing Drugs, would you help her to get into a Rehab and get better, or just condemn her to Homelessness with NO way out? Yes, she'd be wrong for her drug habit, but she'd also deserve
Tom,
You said " In addition, there is emergency housing currently
available in multiple locations in Asbury
Park. "
To my knowledge there's NO Emergency Housing of any type for single males in Asbury Park. You called
me on Sources, now please kindly inform me of the Addresses of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:"You said " In addition, there is emergency housing currently available in multiple locations in Asbury Park. To my knowledge there's NO Emergency Housing of any type for single males in Asbury Park. You called me on Sources,
Camden has rent control.
I know of a 40 unit aprtment for sale there as well.
The price is around $1.5m, with high offer of $1.2m.
At those prices, the landlord will not make any money.
Average rent: $330 per month for a 1 bedroom.
The previous slumlord would not make repairs, because of the
Hi
Tom,
Thanks for replying!
I'll begin with your Stalin and Hitler references. They were both Powerful men
who got drunk with Power, and at least Hitler was tremendously unbalanced.
But my analogy was to point out that the same method is being used by Asbury
Partners here in the City to
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You guys are even using the wrong name The name of their
Morristown Operation ... Which by the way, has been very successful
and mostly accepted by the Community!
Actually, I spoke with local law enforcement off the record
Hey Paul,
Everyone has a right to an Opinion, but unfortunately what's coming
out of your Group SUFA seems to include Lies and Distortions of the
Real Truth!
Fact is that Surveys have already been taken, and there are enough
Homeless and Poor (For the Daily Meals) in the IMMEDIATE Asbury Park
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi Paul,
I'm responding to a rather old message that I just saw scanning
through while I was seeking something else!
It appears to me that most of the New People who have arrived
here
in the past 5-7 years are actually
Not sure if Keady should be the one to distribute low income house money since he is for the Market Street Mission.dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "Steve" asburysteve2001@... wrote: Hi Paul, I'm responding to a rather old message that I just saw scanning
Question DAN,How would he be able to make shelters obsolete after it is already in place? Even if every resident of AP had a home, this shelter will take in outsiders? dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@... wrote: Not sure if
Steve,
I really do not appreciate the use of the word racist
as a blanket statement to label those against your point of view. In
addition, statistics without a source attached to them are as worthless as the
claims they are meant to support. To that effect, please review my main
Hi Paul,
I'm responding to a rather old message that I just saw scanning
through while I was seeking something else!
It appears to me that most of the New People who have arrived here
in the past 5-7 years are actually Raping Asbury Park, NOT Standing
Up for Anything good at ALL here!
In fact,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It comes down to what is best for Asbury. Keady should view this
from the resdients perspective. WE LIVE HERE. WE PAY TAXES HERE.
Why support a mission that will be in OUR town to help others? I
know this is
Why is this a racist comment? Do you have the racial demographics
of the homeless population? Please forward it to me if you do, otherwise do
not stereotype the homeless as one race and assume anyone that is not in favor
of the Market Street Mission is a racist. If you do not have
the
I'd like to comment on the Market Street Mission, and my opposition to it.
If I understand correctly, the people that are to stay there are to be trucked
in from other
cities, like Atlantic City and Newark. I also believe that these people will be
out on the
streets during the daytime.
Here's
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It comes down to what is best for Asbury. Keady should view this
from the resdients perspective. WE LIVE HERE. WE PAY TAXES HERE.
Why support a mission that will be in OUR town to help others? I
know this is
It comes down to what is best for Asbury.Keady should view this from the resdients perspective. WE LIVE HERE. WE PAY TAXES HERE. Why support a mission that will be in OUR town to help others? I know this is needed however as we all know there are already plenty in Asbury. If there were an
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The consensus of the council was not unanimous. Councilman Keady
made
it clear last night that he supports the Market Street Mission's
homeless shelter and soup kitchen on Asbury Avenue.
Paul, you know that I
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