Re: [newbie] 400MHz enough video power?
JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 18:34:33 -0400 Miark disseminated the following: I have a Toshiba Tecra 8000 with a 400MHz processor, 192MB RAM, and DVD drive. From within XFCE (i.e. a lightweight enviro) I tried to play a DVD last night with mplayer, and totem, but nothing seems to work. Is 400 MHz just too little power? I think it depends a lot on your video card/chipset. You cannot play DVD's at all without hardware acceleration, IIRC, no matter your system resources (though yours are definitely on the low end anyhow). That just isn't so. I have a GeF4, I use the 'nv' driver, I've never used the proprietary nvidia driver, DVD's and any other kind'a movies play jus' fine. DVD's, or any videos for that matter, _do not_ require hardware acceleration. Miark, do you have the PLF versions of your players an their dependencies installed ? Particularly libdvdcss2-1.2.8-3plf 400Mhz, an 192mb ram should not pose a problem other than takin a little longer to fill the initial cache. Miark, have you tried playin the DVD with mplayer on the CL ? 'mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device /dev/hd?' (fwiw, I think -dvd-device might be deprecated now, but it can't hurt) And don't try to play the DVD untill the light on your DVDrom has quit blinkin after you insert the DVD. If that light stays on or keeps blinkin, the drive can't read the media. Usually but not always the movie is title 1. You may need to try 2,3,4.. also. Will other DVD's play? I've run into maybe 1:50 commercial DVD's that just won't play on a computer. Couldn't even successfully rip to .avi with (PLF) dvd::rip mplayer will more often play problem DVD's than xine. BUT, every once in a while I've encountered DVD's that xine will play and mplayer won't. Those are the players I would recommend, not totem -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 400MHz enough video power?
Ian wrote: On Sunday 10 Apr 2005 19:26, JoeHill wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:28:12 -0500 Tom disseminated the following: That just isn't so. I have a GeF4, I use the 'nv' driver, I've never used the proprietary nvidia driver, DVD's and any other kind'a movies play jus' fine. DVD's, or any videos for that matter, _do not_ require hardware acceleration. Sorry, only speaking from personal experience. DVD's or AVI's will not play, at least not full screen anyhow, unless I'm using hardware acceleration, ie. the nvidia driver. Like you always say, YMMV ;-) Didn't I read somewhere that DivX files require at least a 500Mhz processor? I'd heard that rumor too Although that was for Windoze based systems. There is no reality comin from Windoze, either the users or M$ Haven't the faintest what a DVD would need, though. Ian, while not on DVD, I took some CD's burned with .vobs ripped from DVD up to my daughter an g'kids when I went up to Houston for Christmas. She has my old PII 350 (that I oc'd to 467 the whole time I had it). Mostly an experiment to see how the videos played, or even if they would. Her system has ancient ram in it, from an even older P90 system I use to have. Rated for 66mhz I guess, it was from before the PC66 standard was invented. I ran that old ram at 133+. When I gave the system to my daughter, I had to keep it at 100mhz to match the default PII 350 FSB. That ram, 64mb's (2x32), is old an 'rode hard an put up wet'. The video card is an old S3 'Virge'. Also previously oc'd to the limit, but not in her system. Which other than the ancient ram, is run at default speeds now. It's a system runnin Linux, an the last time I updated it for her, it was to 10.1, KDE, w/PLF additions. That 350, w/o 3d/accel, only 64mb overan worn out ram played the .vob's just fine usin (PLF) mplayer. So I gave her some $$'s to go to Wal*Mart and buy a DVDrom drive (ata) and some DVD's for the kids. The Cdrom was old an tired anyhow (also a carry over from my my ancient P90). Installed the DVDrom, an played the DVD's for the kids. 350Mhz, overstretched 64mb ram, no hardware accel on an ancient 2mb video card. It did take close to a minute to fill the cache an start playin the movie tho. (64mb, 250 /swap). After the wait, it played flawlessly. I suppose it is time to build another system for myself an give her an the g'kids this old XP3000+, no 3d/acell. Just with an old 512mb stick of ram I've got layin around in it ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ark rar
Q.H. Wang wrote: Many thanks gangs. I've just installed unrar, it's working perfectly. Thanks again. Bests, Q.H. Now 'urpmi parchive2' and you'll be able to use it (par2) to repair corrupted or missing .par's if you also have the par2 files for the archive. Another hint: 'urpmi file-roller' for a good GUI for handlin rar's. You will need to copy or link /usr/bin/unrar to /usr/bin/rar as file roller looks for a 'rar' binary. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Playing dvd movies on a computer
Robert Yu wrote: Anne, why uninstall Xine? Shouldn't I just be able to update it? The Mandrake versions of mplayer and xine are not compiled to take advantange of the 'unfree' codecs and apps that they can't distribute for legal reasons. Anne's advice was correct, uninstall the Mdk versions and then install only PLF versions. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New Kernel installation.
Gonzalo Mdk wrote: Hi all, i'm new to this list (I usually use the expert) because i think this Q doesn't qualify for the expert list. Actually it does, but you'll probly get better answers here, an less nags to add to the(ir) community twiki ;) I have a laptop (doesn't have a brand, is assembled in a place here in Chile) that has ACPI support, It might be non-standard compliant Windo$e ACPI. Even if runnin tom # dmidecode | grep -i acpi Version: ASUS A7V600 ACPI BIOS Revision 1005 ACPI is supported says it is. That's a direct reading from the system bios' firmware. Unfortunately most hardware is designed for Win$ux ;( but when i recompile the kernel with acpi support (i have 2.6.3-7mdk-i686-up-4GB) it doesnt work. (gives me the following line: No ACPI support in kernel, or incorrect acpi_path (/proc/acpi). tom # ll /proc/acpi total 0 dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 ac_adapter/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 alarm dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 battery/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 button/ -r 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 dsdt dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 embedded_controller/ -r 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 event -r 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 fadt dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 fan/ -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 info dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 power_resource/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 processor/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 sleep dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 thermal_zone/ dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 video/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 wakeup dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 wmi/ So i want to know where can i download a kernel that is for mandrake, like, is there a place for downloading the kernel 2.6.11mdk (or something like that), the newest version, so i can use the WIFI also. Hope you can give me some directions Salu2 Gonzalo Avaria # ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support # CONFIG_ACPI=y CONFIG_ACPI_BOOT=y CONFIG_ACPI_INTERPRETER=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_ACPI_AC=m CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=m CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO=m CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=m CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=m CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=m CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS=m CONFIG_ACPI_IBM=m CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA=m # CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT is not set CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT_INITRD=y CONFIG_ACPI_BLACKLIST_YEAR=0 # CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_ACPI_BUS=y CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y CONFIG_ACPI_PCI=y CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y CONFIG_X86_PM_TIMER=y CONFIG_ACPI_CONTAINER=m CONFIG_ACPI_TC1100=m That's from a 'stock' /boot/config-2.6.11-6mdkK74g. Well, OK it's not quite stock, I hand edited the .config (don't try that unless you know what you're doin. Use 'make xconfig') to enable K7 opts, and enable preempt, an more than 880MB ram support. None of the above ACPI options were changed. The =y are built in, the =m are modules (mostly for laptops). As long as I can remember, ACPI support is built into the kernel, even 2.2.x. Note CONFIG_ACPI=y There is no need to install anything or recompile Mandrake kernels to support ACPI (if the hardware truly does). Yes 2.6.11 does have better wifi support, but I only judge that from documentation and other's reports, not experience (I don't use wifi). You might try a cooker kernel and re-compile it on older systems. Get, ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrake/devel/cooker/i586/media/main/kernel-source-2.6-2.6.11-6mdk.i586.rpm an don't forget to begin with 'make mrproper'. If you don't need to change the .config, then Edit Makefile, an change EXTRAVERSION = , an uncomment (enable) this line export INSTALL_PATH=/boot Im my above example, for instance I changed EXTRAVERSION to EXTRAVERSION = -6mdkK74g to denote, K7, preempt, and 1 gig ram support differences from the 'stock' .config make oldconfig make make modules_install make install Also make sure you don't have ACPI disabled. IOW's, there should be _no_ acpi statement in your boot parameters. Either lilo's append= line or in grub. Every acpi statement except =force will disable ACPI, either partially or completely. =on DNGN (does nothin, goes nowhere), ACPI is built into any Mandrake kernels as the default. If you do have a statement like acpi=ht remove it an don't forget to run 'lilo' You need not to make any changes to APM, as ACPI will overide it. You should also see extended IRQ support (above 15) with ACPI enabled. Give this a read, /usr/src/linux-2.6.11-6mdk/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandriva
Josenildo Marques wrote: It seems our favourite distro is going to change its name to _Mandriva_ (i.e., Mandrake+Conectiva), according to an article I have just read. The article says Mandrake bought the domains Mandriva.com and Mandriva.net. Conectiva bought the domain mandriva.com.br whois mandriva.com whois mantiva.com (might need to 'urpmi whois' first ) IRRC, there might've one or two others also. Speculation was that Mandrake registered those domains, shortly after the merger, on a just in case basis. Search 'mandriva' on a cooker ML archive to get the whole discussion. IIRC, Mantiva was the favorite. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker And the latest newsletter says Mandrake is going to incorporate elements of technology from Conectiva, particularly in the area of the smart package management software and some of Conectiva's kernel enhancements. I think that means apt-get... Greg already did a good job of answering this, but you could also search cooker to see this discussion. And visit http://linux-br.conectiva.com.br/~niemeyer/smart/doc/README.html -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Burning 10.2 ISO
Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 01 April 2005 03:06 pm, Tom wrote: Aron Smith wrote: I have created a lot of coasters under k3b trying to burn 10.2 I noticed that the first disk is 699.8 Mb while the capicity is 700Mb The md5sums check is it because the CD-R is too small ? No. Cdr's are good for =703 mb. If you're already usin 10.2, CD's can't be reliably burned as anything but root due to kernel changes. If not then, as user; 'cdrecord -v -eject driveropts=burnfree speed=16 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -dao name of iso' Adjust speed= an dev= to suit your burner OTOH, Warly is already testin the final 2005LE (10.2) iso's. Should be available shortly EPA, 2005, April 6. RC2, updated with cooker mirrors is the same thing, available now. Tryed that (cutnPaste) got cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open 'Mandrakelinux-10.2-CD-1.i586.iso'. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mandrakelinux-10.2rc2]$ What Mandrake version are you currently usin? = 10.0, 10.1, an now 10.2 all use different daemons an methods for removable media. With 10.2 you'll need to burn as root to avoid serious risk of buffer underruns. Do you get output when you just type 'cdrecord -help' ? (cdrecord is installed, right?) Does your drive show up when you type, 'll /dev/hd*' ? Does, $ ll /dev/sg* crw-rw 1 tom cdwriter 21, 0 Apr 2 08:51 /dev/sg0 crw-rw 1 tom cdwriter 21, 1 Apr 2 08:51 /dev/sg1 ...show your user name as a member of the cdwriter group? FWIW, the name of the file is Mandrakelinux-10.2rc2-CD1.i586.iso Use Tab completion, or paste it in, don't rely on typin it in properly. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Burning 10.2 ISO
Aron Smith wrote: On Saturday 02 April 2005 09:35 am, Tom wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mandrakelinux-10.2rc2]$ What Mandrake version are you currently usin? = 10.0, 10.1, an now 10.2 all use different daemons an methods for removable media. With 10.2 you'll need to burn as root to avoid serious risk of buffer underruns. Do you get output when you just type 'cdrecord -help' ? (cdrecord is installed, right?) Does your drive show up when you type, 'll /dev/hd*' ? Does, $ ll /dev/sg* crw-rw 1 tom cdwriter 21, 0 Apr 2 08:51 /dev/sg0 crw-rw 1 tom cdwriter 21, 1 Apr 2 08:51 /dev/sg1 = [EMAIL PROTECTED] aron]$ ll /dev/hd* brw-rw 1 root disk 3, 0 Apr 1 18:46 /dev/hda brw-rw 1 root disk 3, 1 Apr 1 18:46 /dev/hda1 brw-rw 1 root disk 3, 2 Apr 1 18:46 /dev/hda2 brw-rw 1 root disk 3, 5 Apr 1 18:46 /dev/hda5 brw-rw 1 root disk 3, 6 Apr 1 18:46 /dev/hda6 brw-rw 1 root disk 3, 7 Apr 1 18:46 /dev/hda7 brw-rw 1 root disk 3, 8 Apr 1 18:46 /dev/hda8 brw-rw 1 aron cdrom 3, 64 Apr 1 18:46 /dev/hdb [EMAIL PROTECTED] aron]$ == Alright, then with 10.1 (this first part would also be the same for 10.2) 'cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus' will show you the scsibus numbers, EG, somethin like 0,0,0 (which should be better than usin /dev/hdb) cd to the directory the isos are in and cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=ATA:0,0,0 -dao MandTab Now I've simplified that quite a bit, actually about bare minimum. You should be able to handle speed=4, use your numbers rather than the example 0,0,0 -dao is a must for .iso's Specially needed so the md5sum of the burned CD will check. With the burned CD in the drive, 'md5sum /dev/hdb' should return (might take a minute or so) the same md5sum as the iso file has. With marginal CD drives, you may need to try it several times before it succeeds. ...show your user name as a member of the cdwriter group? No problem burning other CDs both audio and data am currently using Mdk 10.1 Includin 700mb's ? If you can burn 650's, but not 700 you really need a better burner. Mandrake gave into the 650 crowd a few versions ago, but has since determined it's just not worth the inconvenience to the vast majority with decent burners. If you can't use 700's, get a new burner. Sometimes somone redoes the iso's to 650 an makes them available for FTP. I think the Mdk Club use to also do it. But don't hold your breath ;) I believe if you can run 'cdrecord dev=ATA:0,0,0 -atip' with a blank 700mb CDr in the drive, and it returns succesfully, info about cdrecord, your drive and the manufacturer of the blank Cdr... then you should be able to burn up to 703mb. I don't really know tho, even my (1997) 8432 Plextor could burn the cheapest 700's Your other option would be to d/l, IIRC, 'boot.iso' from a mirror, 'dd' it to a floppy and do an install from the iso's on your HDD. You'll need somebody or a tutorial that's knows more about that than me. I haven't done it in ages, an some changes have been made in the process for 10.2. You might be able to find out from the cooker ML archive or http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/wiki At a minimum you should read the 10.2 Release Notes. When/if you get 10.2 installed (an I'd recommend a fresh install saving your /home) magicdev will no longer be there, supermount is used only for floppy's. gnome-volume-manager in conjunction with HAL and dbus is the entirely user space daemon for handling removable media, like CD drives. As such it can't access certain things reserved to root. IE, as user: cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority(). cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. The only work around is to burn as root, even with a GUI. You'll probly also need to run 'gnome-volume-properties' once as root and under the heading Removable Media, enable the first 3 (of the 4) options (if they aren't already). -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] back to Windows
Josenildo Marques wrote: I'm going to uninstall this OS as soon as possible from my computer... I can't stand it any longer. Linux sucks ! And I'm going to get a Microsoft Certificate and install Windows XP, which I have never used. Linux has no future ! And this list sucks, too ! Fare you well ! Does this mean no more pics ;( I don't often approve of OT list posts, but in the case of your pics, I'll make an exception. I'll leave it to you to post a link. Beautiful pics from Brazil folks. Josenildo is quite a photographer, besides being a knowledgeable gentleman BTW, thanks for the 4/1 laff ;) Now this one _is_ serious Adding what is perhaps its most significant member to date, the Open Source Development Labs (OSDL) has announced that longtime open source opponent Microsoft is joining its ranks, giving Eric Raymond a seat on the Microsoft Board of Directors and agreeing to a sweeping intellectual property agreement this week. OSDL said that after several hours of intense negotiations, officials of the center of gravity for Linux and open source had brokered the deal with Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, who downplayed the membership of a proprietary software maker in an open source organization. http://www.newsforge.com/articles/05/03/31/1219223.shtml?tid=149 -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Burning 10.2 ISO
Aron Smith wrote: I have created a lot of coasters under k3b trying to burn 10.2 I noticed that the first disk is 699.8 Mb while the capicity is 700Mb The md5sums check is it because the CD-R is too small ? No. Cdr's are good for =703 mb. If you're already usin 10.2, CD's can't be reliably burned as anything but root due to kernel changes. If not then, as user; 'cdrecord -v -eject driveropts=burnfree speed=16 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -dao name of iso' Adjust speed= an dev= to suit your burner OTOH, Warly is already testin the final 2005LE (10.2) iso's. Should be available shortly EPA, 2005, April 6. RC2, updated with cooker mirrors is the same thing, available now. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Burning 10.2 ISO
JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:06:22 -0600 Tom disseminated the following: EPA I'm assuming you mean *ETA*, though I'm sure the *EPA* would be concerned about Aron's 'coasters' filling up the landfills, eh? Anyhow, good to know about April 6th. Gonna start backin' up my home dir tomorrow :-) Might be easier to get RC2 now an upgrade it An hell yeah, T an P are only on opposites sides of the keyborad ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [HAB] Should I upgrade?
OOzy Pal wrote: Dears I am using Athlon 1.3 GHz and I would like to upgrade to Celeron 2.4 GHz. Is it worth it. I mean will I see a difference. Someone said the the 1.3 will perform better with Linux do to the Cache. Please help. Your AMD 1.3 vs. a Celery is a toss up in synthetic benchmarks. Which usually have nothin to do with real world performance, any OS. The 'someone' that cited caches is right. There's another aspect, which is Mboards' chipset. Here again you're better off with the AMD cpu if you're usin it in conjunction with a VIA or SiS chipset on a decent Mboard. The cpu is no better than the motherboard. With Linux this is particularly true. Windoze based/designed for systems like nForce* an Cyrix (C-*), should be avoided. IMO, you're on the cusp. If you need to upgrade your choices are either to go with 3+ Ghz 32 bit AMD/VIA, or go for a 64bit system, also AMD. My impression is that 64 bit an the OS'/apps for it have a ways to go for maturity. I'd venture in another year 64bit would be a better choice. It is afterall, inevitable. You really need to give specs for your current system, an how you use it, for more concise appraisals. The motherboard you're usin is as, or more important than the cpu. As is ram (brand, cas/latency, banking, etc.) and presupposes a good quality power supply. Then you can also tailor Linux to your hardware. For instance, I'm usin 2.6.11-6mdkK74g preempt K7 gcc-3.4 (compiled for Athlon, preempt enabled, 4gig ram ) an find it to be much more responsive than 2.6.8 or 2.6.10 kernels compiled the same way. On a 3+Ghz Athlon, VIA KT600, 1GB 2.5CL 4-bank ram system, mildly overclocked. Mostly optimizations are only seen in compiling, an re-de-encoding of large files (which I do a lot of). Regards, OOzy What is the purpose of life? 42 ? -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Soundblaster 16 with Vibra chip
Werner wrote: Thanks SigmaX it is working now. A little strange though, when I installed a few days ago, there was a message saying to use sndconfig. I tried under root but it would not be found. Since then, I had replaced the NIC with a couple different ones until I found one that would finally be detected. Wonder if that had anything to do with sndconfig also not working? No, nothin to do with NIC's. sndconfig was an old tool for detectin an conf'g (_only_) ISA sound cards. Since most systems don't even have ISA slot(s) anymore, and the fact that probing ISA with sndconfig often caused lockups**, it was dropped. OTOH, it's still available, this is from current 10.2 ( errr.. I mean 2005 Limited Edition by Daffy Duck ;) tom # urpmi -y sndconfig To satisfy dependencies, the following 4 packages are going to be installed (1 MB): awesfx-0.5.0d-1mdk.i586 isapnptools-1.26-6mdk.i586 playmidi-2.5-4mdk.i586 sndconfig-0.70-7mdk.i586 ** most old ISA sound cards were _real_ hardware, complete with onboard jumpers, at least for setting the IRQ. These always work, lockups during detection most likely won't happen. Plug'n Pray ISA cards (popular in ready made Windoze systems) OTOH will most likely be problematic. Try first with P'n P set to 'no' in bios. If that fails try turnin P'n P on. If that fails, go buy a cheap PCI sound card that works with ALSA ;) IMO, the most bulletproof solution for Linux sound is AC97 codec compliant, integrated, 5.1 6-channel sound chip on the motherboard. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.
James Henry Maiewski wrote: On Saturday 19 March 2005 3:50 pm, Tom wrote: Now, James, when you installed the system did you select Development ? Without those additions to your system you probly can't compile anything. Other questions: are you just doin all this as an exercise? an why don't you just use Mandrakes' pre-compiled packages for kdeutils? IOW's, what are you tryin to accomplish? Hello, I have the Mandrake 6-disc set, so I have these binaries, and don't need to compile anything. Having just successfully 'hatched' kdeutils...src.rpm (I downloaded a new one), with rpmbuild [thanks to all of you, and I certainly didn't intend to set off any controversy. I'll have to read these man pages) Don't pay any attention to us jawin at each other. There wasn't really any controversy, just back'n forth exploration. I came out of it aware of a pending change I had no idea about. An usually I'm the one always warning of comming changes ;) Inasmuch as I doesn't really have a prayer of understanding C++, or the maze of linked header files, etc. (most of my programing knowledge in Linux and C comes from Learning C in 28 days) this was all an exercise. Its genesis comes from my fondness of Kedit. It seems like a really simple program, and I thought that it might be possible to change the behavior of its Tab key (i.e., how many spaces are printed when tab is presses. So far in this exercise, I've discovered .kcfg files (hence Kcfgcreator, hence unsermake) and now rpmbuild, and kconfig_compiler, kconfigskeleton.h and kconfig.h (and I still haven't found anything that says main). As expected, I'm not really more enlightened as concerns my original goal, but I'm having fun. As an exercise, learning is the best reason. You should also acquaint yourself with compiling a kernel from kernel-source. One day you might even need to. If you have any suggestions about books to teach the neophyte about program development (I know no 'object oriented' stuff, and am shaky on all the libs etc.) More than 15 years ago, with no prior knowledge, I walked into a scientific book store. They had one whole wall devoted to programming languages. I saw that most of the shelf space was devoted to C/C++. I found a large paperback book that also came with CD's for installin a compiler, Turbo C++ (sorry I don't remember the name). So I bought it an started teaching myself C++. It was all pretty straightforward ... at least until I got into hierarchies, classes, public and private, and so on. Well worth the effort, and quite enjoyable. The only 'connection' I had then was to dial into BBS's. Found quite a bit of resources for programming there, even local user groups I began to attend. Anyhow, I believe you can find comprehensive tutorials for just about any programming language online these days. Along with plenty source examples. No real need to buy a book, and you've already got a C/C++ compiler (other compilers are also available). I'll leave it to others with more recent experience to recommend current languages and such. I've all but forgotten everything I use to know about C++. Still, it was a priceless experience, and greatly enhanched my computer, troubleshootin skills. Go for it James -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.
James Henry Maiewski wrote:
Hello,
I downloaded kdeutils-3.2.3-28.3.101mdk.src.rpm to see what I could
see, but when I try to install it, it says everything already
installed. If these are supposed to go in /usr(/local)/src they are
empty. How is the installation of .src.rpm files supposed to work?
With an advance of thanks,
James Henry Maiewski
src.rpm's are not to be installed (tho they can be). You can
compile the rpms contained in the src.rpm by doin (as root)
'rpm --rebuild kdeutils-3.2.3-28.3.101mdk.src.rpm'
the resulting rpms will then be found in
/usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/
Another example;
'rpm --rebuild --target athlon kdeutils-3.2.3-28.3.101mdk.src.rpm'
will compile the rpms, athlon optimized, and place them in
/usr/src/RPM/RPMS/athlon/
The src.rpm will build _all_ the rpms contained in the
src.rpm. So if you only want to upgrade only kdeutils rpms you
already have installed, cd to one of the above directories and use
'rpm -Fvh *.rpm' ('F' being the important bit)
(this assumes you only have kdeutils* rpms in the dir)
If dependencies are needed, rpm -Fvh, will stop without
installing an display a list of what's needed.
--
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Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.
Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 19 March 2005 10:05 am, Tom wrote: James Henry Maiewski wrote: Hello, I downloaded kdeutils-3.2.3-28.3.101mdk.src.rpm to see what I could see, but when I try to install it, it says everything already installed. If these are supposed to go in /usr(/local)/src they are empty. How is the installation of .src.rpm files supposed to work? With an advance of thanks, James Henry Maiewski src.rpm's are not to be installed (tho they can be). You can compile the rpms contained in the src.rpm by doin (as root) 'rpm --rebuild kdeutils-3.2.3-28.3.101mdk.src.rpm' Not to be too picky, but technically, rpm is deprecated and rpmbuild --rebuild is preferred because it has been split into separate packages. hmmm... tell me more. # rpm --rebuild mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.src.rpm ... snip ... Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/noarch/mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.noarch.rpm Executing(%clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1910 + umask 022 + cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD + cd mplayer-fonts-1.0 + rm -rf /var/tmp/mplayer-fonts-buildroot + exit 0 Executing(--clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1910 + umask 022 + cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD + rm -rf mplayer-fonts-1.0 + exit 0 # rpm -Uvh /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/noarch/mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.noarch.rpm Preparing... ### [100%] 1:mplayer-fonts ### [100%] Are you sugesting I should'a used 'rpmbuild --rebuild mplaTab' ? FWIW, the system is as current as can be (cooker 10.2) 2.6.11-2mdkK74 preempt K7 gcc-3.4 (rpm-build-4.2.3-9mdk) the resulting rpms will then be found in /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/ Just as a general rule it is not a good idea to compile src.rpms as root, because if the buildroot variable is not set, the package will actually get installed on your machine, so as a habit, it is safer to setup the RPM dir in ~/ and build as user. Mandrake is very good about this, but occasionally you get a 3rd party packager that forgets to set this and It's just a good habit. and you can bork the system. Two schools, an I'm in the other one ;) 'Sides the OP did cite a Mandrake rpm. More important to me would be direct newbies to always use Mandrake rpms, src.rpms included, to procure wanted apps or dependencies. More over to disdain corrupting their systems with anything 3rd party (includin drivers an apps, rpms or tarballs). Build as user all you want, but if you install closed source binary only taints on it, the precaution to only build rpms (or tarballs for that matter) as user is sort'a moot, borderin on ridiculous. Another example; 'rpm --rebuild --target athlon kdeutils-3.2.3-28.3.101mdk.src.rpm' will compile the rpms, athlon optimized, and place them in /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/athlon/ This is cool, and might be fun to experiment to see if this has any effect on your system. IME, no. But when I ocaisionally do build from source, I include athlon opts just for grins. Mostly kernels (as in 2.6.11-2mdkK74, compiled for athlon, preempt, 4gig ram support). I used Mdk's kernel-source rpm an changed the .config, mostly to gain preempt and support for 1gig of ram. An then only 'cause such a kernel wasn't avaible from Mandrake, pre-compiled. The src.rpm will build _all_ the rpms contained in the src.rpm. So if you only want to upgrade only kdeutils rpms you already have installed, cd to one of the above directories and use Just one small point about your use of terminology in order to clarify, you are compiling the source and building the rpm packages as they are specified in the src.rpm's spec file, not releasing already built things packaged together. It kind of sounds like they are being hatched instead of built the way you described it :) 'hatched'? not sure what you mean Greg. The 'F' switch in 'rpm -Fvh' will only upgrade existing packages on the system, not all packages included in the src.rpm. Good example would be 'xorg' which would create more than a dozen packages, but only about 7 of which are used on my system. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Tom wrote: hmmm... tell me more. # rpm --rebuild mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.src.rpm ... snip ... Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/noarch/mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.noarch.rpm Executing(%clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1910 + umask 022 + cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD + cd mplayer-fonts-1.0 + rm -rf /var/tmp/mplayer-fonts-buildroot + exit 0 Executing(--clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1910 + umask 022 + cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD + rm -rf mplayer-fonts-1.0 + exit 0 # rpm -Uvh /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/noarch/mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.noarch.rpm Preparing... ### [100%] 1:mplayer-fonts ### [100%] Are you sugesting I should'a used 'rpmbuild --rebuild mplaTab' ? FWIW, the system is as current as can be (cooker 10.2) 2.6.11-2mdkK74 preempt K7 gcc-3.4 (rpm-build-4.2.3-9mdk) From the rpm man page: LEGACY ISSUES Executing rpmbuild The build modes of rpm are now resident in the /usr/bin/rpmbuild executable. Although legacy compatibility provided by the popt aliases below has been adequate, the compatibility is not perfect; hence build mode compatibility through popt aliases is being removed from rpm. Install the rpmbuild package, and see rpmbuild(8) for documentation of all the rpm build modes previously documented here in rpm(8). Add the following lines to /etc/popt if you wish to continue invoking rpmbuild from the rpm command line: It then goes into a table that you can read for your self if you are interested. Mikkel # less /etc/popt /etc/popt: No such file or directory Do I need to create this file? an why? rpm -rebuild is still very much functional, even on 10.2 Yes, I read the man page. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
John or Margaret Montgomery wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:44:07 -0600 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope! 'Big name', or well know brand names mean very little, more often, absolutely nothin! Practically no brand name media are made by the advertised vendor. The only way to know for sure who actually makes the disk is to do; Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas This is not DVD but I recall several years ago, asking a salesman about the differences between different CDs. His answer was - price! Since then I have bought only on price. A few coasters have turned up but I could always account for them by my stupidity. John Montgomery Vernon BC You managed to get a knowledgeable salesperson ;) I quit botherin askin who actually manufactured the media. Mostly I got a blank stare. They bank on the premise that most all the public thinks big brand names have to be better. OTOH, the big brand names do _usually_ put better, more durable coating (the label side where the recording is actually done). This is important if you're fixin to handle the CD's a bunch, or store them for a while. So considerin that, it's often worth payin twice the price to get media that's all made by the same damn manufacturer anyhow. I suspect the brand names buy the cheap 'generic' CD's, then add the extra 'branded' coating on top of the generic manufacturers. In this sense the result is not more reliable for burnin, but will survive more handlin an storage. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Tom wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Tom wrote: hmmm... tell me more. # rpm --rebuild mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.src.rpm ... snip ... Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/noarch/mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.noarch.rpm Executing(%clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1910 + umask 022 + cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD + cd mplayer-fonts-1.0 + rm -rf /var/tmp/mplayer-fonts-buildroot + exit 0 Executing(--clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1910 + umask 022 + cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD + rm -rf mplayer-fonts-1.0 + exit 0 # rpm -Uvh /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/noarch/mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.noarch.rpm Preparing... ### [100%] 1:mplayer-fonts ### [100%] Are you sugesting I should'a used 'rpmbuild --rebuild mplaTab' ? FWIW, the system is as current as can be (cooker 10.2) 2.6.11-2mdkK74 preempt K7 gcc-3.4 (rpm-build-4.2.3-9mdk) From the rpm man page: LEGACY ISSUES Executing rpmbuild The build modes of rpm are now resident in the /usr/bin/rpmbuild executable. Although legacy compatibility provided by the popt aliases below has been adequate, the compatibility is not perfect; hence build mode compatibility through popt aliases is being removed from rpm. Install the rpmbuild package, and see rpmbuild(8) for documentation of all the rpm build modes previously documented here in rpm(8). Add the following lines to /etc/popt if you wish to continue invoking rpmbuild from the rpm command line: It then goes into a table that you can read for your self if you are interested. Mikkel # less /etc/popt /etc/popt: No such file or directory Do I need to create this file? an why? rpm -rebuild is still very much functional, even on 10.2 Yes, I read the man page. Well, on my 10.1 system, they are actualy in /usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt-4.2.2 and if I wanted to track it down, there is probably another file symlinked to it, that is defined in rpmrc, but I don't feel like going through all the effort. There are a lot of things that can be changed the same way, to customize the way rpm behaves. Mikkel # less/usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt* bash: less/usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt*: No such file or directory # l /usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt* ls: /usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt*: No such file or directory # loci rpmrc (an alias for locate -i) /usr/lib/rpm/rpmrc /usr/lib/rpm/convertrpmrc.sh /usr/lib/rpmrc untouched by me ??? -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.
James Henry Maiewski wrote: Hello, I thank you both for this information, but I'm not getting anything out of this package. the rpm --rebuild gives: error: kdeutils-3.2.3-28.3.101mdk.src.rpm cannot be installed the same happens with rpmbuild --rebuild (both as root and otherwise). I assume that the package is at fault and will look for another source. Another question I have, is why I urpmi --install-src yield nothing. --install-src looks to me like this would try an install the src.rpm. You really don't wanna do that Thanks, JHM # rpm --rebuild kdeutils-3.3.2-20mdk.src.rpm big snip Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-klaptop-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/libkdeutils1-klaptop-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/libkdeutils1-klaptop-devel-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-common-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-ktimer-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-kdessh-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-kjots-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-kdepasswd-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-kfloppy-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-kdf-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-kcharselect-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-khexedit-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-kedit-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/libkdeutils1-kedit-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-ark-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/libkdeutils1-ark-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-kcalc-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/libkdeutils1-kcalc-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/libkdeutils1-common-devel-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/libkdeutils1-common-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-ksim-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-kgpg-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/kdeutils-kwalletmanager-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/libkdeutils1-ksim-devel-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/libkdeutils1-ksim-3.3.2-20mdk.i586.rpm Executing(%clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.22866 + umask 022 + cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD + cd kdeutils-3.3.2 + rm -fr /var/tmp/kdeutils-3.3.2-20mdk-root/ + exit 0 Executing(--clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.53096 + umask 022 + cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD + rm -rf kdeutils-3.3.2 + exit 0 That was mostly for my own curiousity, specially since Greg an Mikkel have some misgiving about usin 'rpm --rebuild' All I can say is Works for Me an always has As you can see the src.rpm created more than two dozen kdeutils packages. More than I have with a normal install. This is why I cited 'rpm -Fvh' which would then only update the packages I'm usin. Now, James, when you installed the system did you select Development ? Without those additions to your system you probly can't compile anything. Other questions: are you just doin all this as an exercise? an why don't you just use Mandrakes' pre-compiled packages for kdeutils? IOW's, what are you tryin to accomplish? -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Tom wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Well, on my 10.1 system, they are actualy in /usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt-4.2.2 and if I wanted to track it down, there is probably another file symlinked to it, that is defined in rpmrc, but I don't feel like going through all the effort. There are a lot of things that can be changed the same way, to customize the way rpm behaves. Mikkel # less/usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt* bash: less/usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt*: No such file or directory # l /usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt* ls: /usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt*: No such file or directory # loci rpmrc (an alias for locate -i) /usr/lib/rpm/rpmrc /usr/lib/rpm/convertrpmrc.sh /usr/lib/rpmrc untouched by me ??? Well, my typing isn't too good today. (rom should be rpm). Fat fingers, and small keyboard.) Mikkel We're hijackin this thread ;) # loci rpmpopt /usr/lib/rpm/rpmpopt-4.2.3 /usr/lib/rpmpopt (symlinked to the above file) The lines you cited from the man page are already in /usr/lib/rpm/rpmpopt-4.2.3 Mandrake put 'em there, I didn't. I suspect you're goin on about 'generic' man pages that Mdk imports from other distros, mostly RH an Deb. Without re-writing them. All the while tho, the functions have already been taken care of by Mandrake. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Tom wrote: That was mostly for my own curiousity, specially since Greg an Mikkel have some misgiving about usin 'rpm --rebuild' All I can say is Works for Me an always has I think the point is more that rpm --rebuild is calling rpmbuild to do the work. Because if this, if you do not have the rpm-build (10.1) or rpmbuild (old name) package installed, it will not work. Also, from what the man page says, it may not work in future releases of RPM. So it would be better to bet used to using rpmbuild --rebuild in place of rpm --rebuild. For people just starting to build RPMs, it would definitly be better to get them started using rpmbuild for building RPMs. Mikkel OK, thanks Mikkel. I'll tryin keep an eye on it FWIW, out of curiousity I re-did kdeutils src.rpm with rpmbuild --rebuild kdeutils-3.3.2-20mdk.src.rpm Worked the same as 'rpm --rebuild'. BUT you're right, it's better to use pending changes. I'll mend my ways ;) Thanks for the heads up -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.
Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 19 March 2005 01:59 pm, Tom wrote: Â Â 'hatched'? Â not sure what you mean Greg. I know what you meant, but I was just making light of the fact that you used the word contained when describing the src.rpm. I was trying to be funny. The src.rpm will build _all_ the rpms contained in ... This implies that the rpms are already there and you just have to let them out,, ie hatch them *cheesy grin* No! that's exactly what I meant. You did know that src.rpms are actually eggs, an once you crack'em open, a mystery of rpms pour out! ? ! hehehe Yeah you're right Greg, I should be more accurate and articulate in my wordin ... I've probly lived in Texas too long ;) ...an depend on a faith in newbies to discern. A faith I believe they deserve -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6.11 upgrade.
JR wrote: On Thursday 17 March 2005 07:59 pm, Tom wrote: OTOH, you didn't say if you need a SMP (more than one processor), a Hi-Mem (1 gig of ram or more), or any other special requirements. snip Tom, Thanks a lot. I have a fairly standard laptop setup, so I think the standard kernel you linked will be fine. Well, I had thought I implied that your chances of success with a 2.6.11 kernel on older Mandrake versions were questionable. That it would be better to wait a bit an install 10.2 if you need a 2.6.11 kernel. OTOH, if you install the kernel with -ivh, it will go in along side your current kernel, which you then can always fall back to if the new kernel fails. Laptop, adds in another question mark. Many reports on cooker that 2.6.11 fails on some laptops. Mostly an i686/i586 issue. The only work around right now AFAIK is to try the i586 specific kernel. (I've never had a laptop) ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrake/devel/cooker/i586/media/main/kernel-i586-up-1GB-2.6.11.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm In explanation; while Mandrake is still primarily an i586 architecture distro, many things like glibc and the 'normal' kernel are compiled for 1686 to take advantage of that optimization and 686 specific cpu flags. Many laptop, C(yrix)-3 processors, and some others are not true i686 systems. C-3's aren't even true i586. The 10.2 installer has been modified to blacklist these systems an install the i586 kernel. 'Course if you install a 10.2 kernel on an older Mdk version, this protection is not afforded. Type 'arch' in a console and press Enter, it'll probly return 'i686'. That only means that the cpu/cache reports itself as 686 architecture the system might not really be i686. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 12:36, Charles Rodgers wrote: Can't get Verbatim DVD W or RW to work with K3b. Any recommendation for a make of DVD that is known to work? I presume we're talking disks? Any of the big name dvds will work fine. No-name ones work, sort of, in that you will get a percentage of coasters, so they're not economical, but do-able if you can't get anything else. Anne Nope! 'Big name', or well know brand names mean very little, more often, absolutely nothin! Practically no brand name media are made by the advertised vendor. The only way to know for sure who actually makes the disk is to do; # cdrecord dev=ATA:1,1,0 -atip ^ (my device numbers, Mdk 10.2) Cdrecord-Clone 2.01.01a01-dvd (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling big snip ATIP info from disk: Indicated writing power: 5 Is not unrestricted Is not erasable Disk sub type: Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+) (3) ATIP start of lead in: -11634 (97:26/66) ATIP start of lead out: 359848 (79:59/73) Disk type:Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar) Manuf. index: 3 Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation .. The vendors name is DuraBrand on that disc. CMC are a so so manufacturer, but work fine in my Plextor an these have a reasonably durable coating on them. IIRC, my last spindle of Verbatim's was also actually manufactured by CMC, but with a little better coating. I switched from Memorex when they switched from usin discs manufactured by ProDisc (good media), to a no name, non-orange forum manufacturer in India (very poor media). I've had hundred disc spindles, sold under well known brand names, where the actual manufacturer switched as many as 3 times within the 100 discs! Bottom line, there's less than a dozen media manufacturers on the planet there's hundreds of 'brand' names. -atip is the only way to know what you've got, and that is often subject to change, even when purchased in bulk. More often than not, the 'big brand names' and the generic 'no-names' are made by the same manufacturer. The higher priced discs usually have a better, more durable coating on them tho. That's important if you want to keep the data on them for some time. More likely Charles problems stem from the GUI and or backend the program is usin, how well it's been adapted to DVD burning, poor choice of options for the backend, or the quality of his burner and it's laser. Specially if like media it's rebadged. I'd put the media last, unless it's some junk like that unknown, non orange Indian manufacturers' discs I got stuck with. Fortunately only about the last 20 on the 100 spindle. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 17:44, Tom wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 12:36, Charles Rodgers wrote: Can't get Verbatim DVD W or RW to work with K3b. Any recommendation for a make of DVD that is known to work? I presume we're talking disks? Any of the big name dvds will work fine. No-name ones work, sort of, in that you will get a percentage of coasters, so they're not economical, but do-able if you can't get anything else. Anne Nope! 'Big name', or well know brand names mean very little, more often, absolutely nothin! Practically no brand name media are made by the advertised vendor. The only way to know for sure who actually makes the disk is to do; All of that is true, but the fact remains that big name manufacturers can't afford to get themselves linked to bad suppliers - they depend upon keeping their good name. Wrong again Anne. But that's just the facts, my opinion and experience that I posted. You are welcome to add yours to your community twiki. Jeez I never thought I'd be encouragin you to spread marginal to false opinion on your twiki, but go ahead. It's full of it anyhow. Memorex is a well known 'big name' brand that depends on the public's perception of their 'quality'. Fact is they make none of their discs, and as I stated, the 'brand' Verbatim, that Charles was tryin, well they don't make theirs either. MOF all 'big name' brands buy from various quality often unknown disc manufacturers. Decent to sometimes very poor. The media quality is probly the last of Charles problems. More likely the backend, specially if it's cdrecord needs to be updated to the latest (cdrecord-2.01.01-0.a01.4mdk). Warly has been continually workin with Jörg Schilling to add DVD support for cdrecord. A work in progress. Or equally possible he's dependin on a GUI to make (often poor to just plain wrong) backend option choices for him. Another is burnin on-the-fly, rather than makin a proper image on the HDD, and then burnin from that. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Charles Rodgers wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:44:45 -0600,Tom wrote: The media quality is probly the last of Charles problems. More likely the backend, specially if it's cdrecord needs to be updated to the latest (cdrecord-2.01.01-0.a01.4mdk). Warly has been continually workin with Jörg Schilling to add DVD support for cdrecord. A work in progress. Or equally possible he's dependin on a GUI to make (often poor to just plain wrong) backend option choices for him. Another is burnin on-the-fly, rather than makin a proper image on the HDD, and then burnin from that. I seem to think that your last sentence has hit the nail Tom, particularly in view of my post reporting success. -- Charles Masha danki! Bon bon! Now to carry the idea a little further... The only disdain I have for GUI's is that they separate the user from what's really goin on. CD-DVD burnin is more of an an art than a science. Better to learn how to do CLI burnin, than think that GUI's always default to the best, even decent choices. There's plenty on online sources, startin with the CD/DVD Writing How-To. Give it a read, also check out the man pages for the cd/dvd record backends. If nothin else, you'll be a better GUI user. (tho I still favor the CL) CD burnin is very mature, DVD burnin, as I said is still a 'work in progress', expect failures an try to follow Warly's latest efforts. Stow away blind faith in GUI's Getting back to -atip. CDr or DVDr quality, while not the whole ball of wax, it is still a factor to be considered. Pioneer (yours) is currently a good hardware vendor, as is Yamaha, Toshiba, an Plextor, never re-badges, an should work with even junk poor quality media, whoever actually manufactured it, despite the 'brand name' allegiance. I believe you can visually observe the quality an durability of the 'coating' on the media. This is the side (the 'label' side) where the recording is actually done. Not the side people are always fussin about keepin clean an un-scratched. Altho that's important too. As you can see, there's a lot of factors, an I believe I've already listed most of'em. An as you've found out, on-the-fly recordin a little ahead of creatin the image, is best avoided. Actually _never_, even with a high horse power system with gobs of ram. FWIW, I just got back from Wal*Mart. Half mile on my electric scooter (disabled, MS, my only close enough to be accessible store). The only damn 100-spindles they had on the shelf were frickin Memorex. The same 'brand' that stuck me with about 20 poor quality CDr's on a previous 100-spindle. The non-orange, Indian, coaster prone junk they stuck me with before. I took a chance an went ahead an bought 'em ($22.67). Mainly out of need, I've got'a sh!+load of movies backed up to burn to Cd's. Back at the house, I -atip'd the top one, about 30 down into the spindle, an then another 30 down. All Ritek sold under the Memorex name. ATIP info from disk: Indicated writing power: 4 Is not unrestricted Is not erasable Disk sub type: Medium Type A, low Beta category (A-) (2) ATIP start of lead in: -12508 (97:15/17) ATIP start of lead out: 359845 (79:59/70) Disk type:Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar) Manuf. index: 22 Manufacturer: Ritek Co. IME, Ritek, CMC magnetics, are decent. Taiyo Yuden and ProDisc are the better 'Generic' never heard of manufacturers, regardless of the brand name banner they're sold under are best avoided. An to stress, if it's important storage, consider the visual durability of the coated (label) side. I've bought 100-spindles for $8. They were a Staples generic, but were really made by CMC Magnetics. Worked fine, but the coating was _very_ fragile. Only good for temporary storage an light handlin. Now you can stop reading here 'cause I'm fixin to go off on a tangent. BUT one I believe is of importance to newbies. Linux, unlike Win$ux is 'a work in progress'. M$ releases in long periods, 92, 95, 98, 2000, 2003 an so on. Linux is continually changin. Every day. Particularly the 'heart' of Linux, the kernel. In order to avoid even a taint of M$ type vulnerability, Linus, and the OSDL have made burnin as user verboten in 2.6.x kernels. Many distros have employed hacks to make user space burnin still possible. Mandrake along with the other majors, have dropped this pretense with their latest 2.6.10 an 2.6.11 While user burnin is still possible, serious risk of buffer underruns are a real hazzard. I suspect GUI's will probly mask this risk. EG, (this from a very recent -dummy test with current cooker, 10.2, 2.6.11 compiled for K7, preempt) excerpts cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority(). cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. .. Average write speed 22.7x. Min drive buffer
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 18:44, Tom wrote: Wrong again Anne. But that's just the facts, my opinion and experience that I posted. You are welcome to add yours to your community twiki. Jeez I never thought I'd be encouragin you to spread marginal to false opinion on your twiki, but go ahead. It's full of it anyhow. Whatever you say, Tom. I suppose the drive manufacturers put out lists of 'supported disks' for the fun of it. Anne Put it in your twiki -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2005 22:37, Tom wrote: The only damn 100-spindles they had on the shelf were frickin Memorex. The same 'brand' that stuck me with about 20 poor quality CDr's on a previous 100-spindle. How odd! I've never had a failure from Memorex. Could it be your burning technique? ;-) Anne alias mkcdimg='mkisofs -r -o cd_image' (mkisofs-2.01.01-0.a01.3mdk) Simply to make a proper image on the HDD, 'mkcdimg name of file or directory' alias bdcd='cdrecord -v -eject driveropts=burnfree speed=24 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -data' (cdrecord-2.01.01-0.a01.4mdk, media an burner are both 48x) IOW's for the gui impaired, simply: 'mkcdimg whatever' followed by 'bdcd cd_image' (with latest 2.6.x kernels this should be done as root) Quick, simple, accurate an I know what's goin on Maybe Memorex is sellin you different manufacturer's media than they do to me. MOF I'm positive about it. Since like all other name brands they only pass on 3rd party manufacturers media, whatever they can procure the cheapest. An that varies with every spindle you might buy, even within the spindle. Or is the use of '-atip' beyond the scope of your twiki ? cdrecord dev=ATA:?,?,? -atip (with a blank in the burner) ?'s determined from cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus (don't use dev=ATAPI) Most all the above varies from past 7.x, 8.x, 9.x, even 10.x versions, due to Mandrake an kernel, cdrecord and cdrdao, mkisofs an other improvements an changes. Often not kept up with many, specially those injecting their mistaken impressions into the 'Community twiki'. The _real_ twiki is here http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/wiki -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6.11 upgrade.
JR wrote: If a new kernel is out in a repository (official or unofficial) you can install through urpmi or anyway Could anyone tell me where I can find such a repository? I've followed the kernel upgrade / install instructions at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi#Installing_a_new_kernel but the 'updates' repository doesnt have anything newer than 2.6.8. I'd like 2.6.10 / 2.6.11 Cheers, Ja You could get 2.6.11-2mdk from ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrake/devel/cooker/i586/media/main/kernel-2.6.11.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm (18MB) You must install it with (as root, in a console, in the directory the kernel rpm is in) 'rpm -ivh kern (just hit the Tab key to auto-complete the rest of the package name). The important bit being to _i_nstall (-ivh), rather than U_pgrade (-Uvh) the kernel. Since it's cooker, if there's any problem, you can always just re-boot an run your existing kernel. OTOH, you didn't say if you need a SMP (more than one processor), a Hi-Mem (1 gig of ram or more), or any other special requirements. In any of those cases, or if you just wanna compile from source to better ensure the kernel's compatibility with your older Mandrake version. You'll need the source, install with 'rpm -Uvh kern Tab ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrake/devel/cooker/i586/media/main/kernel-source-2.6-2.6.11-2mdk.i586.rpm (45MB) Holler back if you want to compile, it's really fairly simple. OTOH, beware that due to Linus/OSDL security an other enhancements, the newest kernels will inhibit many actions that now seem transparent to the user, and require changes in many GUI's (CD burning for example). Many processes are handled differently, an to tell the truth, I have no idea what impact that will have using a 2.6.11-mdk on past Mandrake versions. Sufficiently discouraged? Depends on how adventurous you are ;) Or you can wait just a bit. Cooker 10.2 RC2 iso's should be available within a week or so ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrake/devel/iso/i586 and you could install 10.2 RC2 an keep it upgraded with cooker media sources until it becomes 10.2 Community. A little longer till it becomes 10.2 Official. I would never recommend kernel.org vanilla sources used to compile a kernel. Specially if you don't know how to patch it about 2 or 300 times to get it equivalent with Mandrake. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] another urpmi query
Julie Sloan wrote: On Tuesday 15 March 2005 11:51 am, Tom wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: On Tuesday 15 March 2005 10:37 am, Tom wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: Sorry for the very long (what follows), but I've been at this point three times now, and each time I go to easyurpmi.zarb.org and start over with urpmi.removemedia, (then get the new sources) and then: rpm --rebuilddb updatedb update-menus -v -n ldconfig urpmi.update -a --no-md5sum urpmi --auto-select --noclean hi Tom; okay, I don't need to update the menus and all that after each large update? I thought I read here that I should. Depends, as I said sometimes after large updates it's needed, along with log out/in But you were tryin to do all those system 'refreshers' _before_ updating. You got it sort'a kind'a backasswards sweetheart ;) At least what you posted Uh huh. I neglected to post the several hours of downloads that preceded that. :) the order in which I have been doing stuff is: urpmi.removemedia (if necessary) urpmi.addmedia I'm not a fan of removing media. Use SMM to disable them. Particulary CD sources right after an install. Don't remove them, just uncheck (disable) them with SMM. You never know when you might wanna use your CD's rather than online sources. Unless there's mirror structure changes (happens, but not very often) there's no reason to be adding sources all the time. Find 2, 3, or 4 good sites, then use SMM to manage them. rpm --rebuilddb etc urpmi.update -a urpmi --auto-select rpm --rebuild, etc urpmi.update -a urpmi --auto-select -v The -v just gives more verbose ouput, often useful. It doesn't hurt to then run rpm -rebuilddbbut it's really not needed for normal updates. The refreshers 'rpm --rebuilddb updatedb ldconfig -v update-menus -v -n' are really only helpful after _large_ updates of libs, system files (non-user stuff), and major updates to your DE (KDE, Gnome, an such). An this is really only true if you run cooker. I figured any time I added or removed any number of programs (whether one or fifty) or changed media managers it wouldn't hurt to run the system refreshers. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] another urpmi query
Julie Sloan wrote:
Sorry for the very long (what follows), but I've been at this point three
times now, and each time I go to easyurpmi.zarb.org and start over with
urpmi.removemedia, (then get the new sources) and then:
rpm --rebuilddb updatedb update-menus -v -n ldconfig
urpmi.update -a --no-md5sum urpmi --auto-select --noclean
First of all you shouldn't be mixin all those commands
together Julie. Certainly not 'rpm --rebuilddb updatedb
update-menus -v -n ldconfig' _before_ updating your media and
gettin updates. Even then, those commands are really only useful
_after_ large daily 'unstable' cooker updates, specially when libs,
system files, or xorg updates are involved. And then you should
follow with a logout from your DE (destop environment, eg KDE),
restart the X server, and log back in. Rarely, if ever, useful to
do all that with 'stable' version Mandrake supplied updates (eg,
10.1, 10.0, 9.2 .).
You do realize that --noclean is just an option to keep rpm
d/l's after uprmi has installed them, right? Not normally somethin
you need to do. A better option might be --keep. It will keep
present software on the system, and skip the update one, if there's
a conflict encountered, rather than stop an tell you that there's a
problem an an some package(s) need to be removed. But even then,
somethin not normally needed with 'stable' version updates.
(see 'man urpmi' for better explainations ;)
As far as --no-md5sum, I don't think you wanna do that either.
It disables protection from d/l'g corrupted packages from bad
mirrors. I believe what you want is to add these lines to the
beginning of /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg (brackets included)
{
downloader: wget
verify-rpm: 0
}
That will make urpmi use wget rather than default to curl.
wget is often better if the mirror doesn't wanna play nice, or is
very busy. 'verify-rpm: 0' (0 = false) disables package signature
checking, an you just know you're gonna say to go ahead an install
anyway ;) Checking the signatures, specially on contrib packages
isn't much of a big deal anyhow. Better that you have trust in the
mirror and/or the provider (eg, PLF, CAE, Thac, etc.)
urpmi.update -a urpmi --auto-select -vis about all you should
need. If you get the dreaded in order to update, the following
packages need to be removed message, an you're not sure that's a
good idea (most often isn't), then run
urpmi.update -a urpmi --auto-select -v --keep
Now if you (make the mistake :) of upgrading somethin like
KDE to a 3rd party's newer version than your Mandrake came with,
then run all those commands I said (above) were only usefull for
large cooker updates. IMO tho, you'd be better off just runnin
cooker than goin for those 3rd party updates. Probly less problems
;) YMMV
--
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Re: [newbie] another urpmi query
Julie Sloan wrote:
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 10:37 am, Tom wrote:
Julie Sloan wrote:
Sorry for the very long (what follows), but I've been at this point
three times now, and each time I go to easyurpmi.zarb.org and start
over with urpmi.removemedia, (then get the new sources) and then:
rpm --rebuilddb updatedb update-menus -v -n ldconfig
urpmi.update -a --no-md5sum urpmi --auto-select --noclean
First of all you shouldn't be mixin all those commands
together Julie. Certainly not 'rpm --rebuilddb updatedb
update-menus -v -n ldconfig' _before_ updating your media and
gettin updates. Even then, those commands are really only useful
_after_ large daily 'unstable' cooker updates, specially when libs,
system files, or xorg updates are involved. And then you should
follow with a logout from your DE (destop environment, eg KDE),
restart the X server, and log back in. Rarely, if ever, useful to
do all that with 'stable' version Mandrake supplied updates (eg,
10.1, 10.0, 9.2 .).
hi Tom;
okay, I don't need to update the menus and all that after each large update?
I thought I read here that I should.
Depends, as I said sometimes after large updates it's needed,
along with log out/in But you were tryin to do all those
system 'refreshers' _before_ updating. You got it sort'a kind'a
backasswards sweetheart ;) At least what you posted
You do realize that --noclean is just an option to keep rpm
d/l's after uprmi has installed them, right? Not normally somethin
you need to do. A better option might be --keep. It will keep
present software on the system, and skip the update one, if there's
a conflict encountered, rather than stop an tell you that there's a
problem an an some package(s) need to be removed. But even then,
somethin not normally needed with 'stable' version updates.
(see 'man urpmi' for better explainations ;)
I am doing --noclean so that I do not have to d/l the rpms again should I
have to reinstall (off discs) - I am on dialup and it takes several days.
Also I am keeping the rpms because I am fixin to install 10.0 on my laptop
and sure don't want to have to d/l all that once again.
OK, that's a valid reason, particulary if you move them to a
'safe' backup location. If you're forced to do a re-install with
the packages left in /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/ or anywhere on your '/'
partition, You'll lose them. I believe you might also find that if
an when that re-install should occur, the packages could well have
already been obsoleted by newer ones anyhow.
As far as --no-md5sum, I don't think you wanna do that either.
It disables protection from d/l'g corrupted packages from bad
mirrors. I believe what you want is to add these lines to the
beginning of /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg (brackets included)
{
downloader: wget
verify-rpm: 0
}
Oh, good. I was wondering about using wget instead of curl. As to the
--no-md5sum tag, I believe I learned that here also. This morning I began
another thread asking why --no-md5sum, but no-one's answered yet. :)
Well that's the reason ...it's a bad idea. The md5sums are
checked against the (synthesis)hdlists to avoid corrupted package
d/l'g. Doesn't happen often, but it can, and there's really no good
reason to disable it. It works like this, Mandrake has a central
internal server (Paris) that only a few 'primary' mirrors are
allowed to mirror, then other mirrors mirror those primary ones, and
some mirrors, particularly the further from Europe you get, mirror
the mirrored mirrors. an so on.
Best to leave the default md5sum checking enabled, an to ignore
the usual advice to use a mirror closest to you. Better to use
north to central Euro mirrors 'closer to the original source'.
Here's a link for cooker mirrors which shows their current status.
http://cookermirrors.skycon.net/
Now I'm not sayin to use cooker sources, but if the mirror is
up to date for cooker, and no connection problems, it's almost
certainly good to go for present an past Mandrake versions also
mirrored there. Just back up the ftp URLS in a browser till you
find your Mandrake version, or use EZ urpmi, after checking to see
which sites are in good shape.
Some other tips. Make an alias in /etc/bashrc
alias smm='edit-urpm-sources.pl' (quote marks included)Then
typin 'smm' as root in a terminal (you're there to do urpmi anyhow)
will run Software Media Manager. Here you can easily switch mirrors
by en/disabling them with just a mouse click. Also, you can use
more than one mirror site for updating an d/l'g (I generally keep 2
or 3 of my best ones enabled). urpmi will update from them in the
order you installed them as sources. That way if a needed package is
missing from one of the mirrors, urpmi will go get it from an
enabled mirror that does have it.
Don't go too overboard tho. Even usin synthesis.hdlist.cz
(which you should as you're on dialup), having multiple mirrors
enabled
Re: [newbie] devfs and udev
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
SnapafunFrank wrote:
Thanks again Mikkel, it's going to take some absorbing on my part to
understand what you have said above, so for now I need to do that and
correct my system accordingly.
Will let you know how I get on. Oh, and thanks for the link.
One minor correction, I'm still using MDK10, though I don't think this
effects things here too much.
I'm waiting to get my Athlon 64 FX together before going to MDK10.1 as
this old PIII system can only handle so much before it starts to get
bogged down. This is the only issue I have at present ( pnp ) as the
other things I need at present seem to be firing OK.
If you decide to share you endeavours once done then please include me
in your notifications as I'm very interested in the outcome. For now,
good sailing.
I can understand more of your troubles now - adding udev to 10.0 instead
of upgrading to 10.1. I am not sure how much of what I posted applies to
what you are doing. In any case, it should be a learning experence on
your part. As for may adventures, they will make it to the The
Mandrake Community Wiki site once I have them in shape to post. But if
I keep getting other projects to work on, I may have to post it in
parts, as a work in progress. The only bad part about that is that I may
send people down a wrong path as I lear this myself...
Mikkel
Here's what I posted to 'expert' ML a few days ago
...
With an upgrade from a devfs system to one that uses udev ;
While running the new (udev) system
urpme devfs
urpmi udev
edit lilo.conf and remove _any_ devfs= statement. devfs=nomount is
only valid if devfs is installed, an you need to remove devfs
before installing udev
lilo
in a term, su to root and run 'mcc' Under System | Services,
scoll down an make sure udev is running (if not start it), and that
it is checked to start at boot.
Done, but you can be dbl-sure by running
# service udev status
udev is running [ OK ]
BTW does anyone know where to find these parameters you can pass
to the kernel at boot time ?
You'll need source for the kernel installed, then you'll find
/usr/src/linux-2.6.11-2mdk/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
^^^ your kernel version is probly different
Give the whole file a thoro read. All valid parameters and
options for them are listed. EG, acpi=on 'on' is either an
undocumented or invalid parameter option
acpi= [HW,ACPI] Advanced Configuration and Power
Interface
Format: { force | off | ht | strict }
These are the only valid options for the parameter acpi=
...
Now if anything is added to the Community twiki (rather than
the _real_ twiki http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/wiki) it should
emphatically note that it's only opinions an might be valid for past
or current Mdk versions. 10.2 will add HAL, messagebus (dbus), an
even gnome-volume-manager, more advanced kernels, et all into the
mix that will mostly obsolete current an past advice an opinions.
IMO, the real twiki, the cooker ML archive, an Bugzilla are the
best sources for accurate descriptions of problems, an possible
solutions.
--
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Re: [newbie] any question
Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Friday 04 March 2005 01:18, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:34:55 +0100 Stefan Tulak disseminated the following: I've installed mandrakelinux for one month and I'm very pleasured. Shite, I never got that kinda stimulation out of it. Very funny comment indeed, Joe :-( I Know it may come as an incomprehensible shock to most Americans here, but not everyone living on this tiny planet received the divine blessing of being brought up in the English/US/Redneck tongue. Of course that's a big mistake by the Lord. I'll admit that for sure. And I can't for the sake of me understand why he didn't let Mr. Gutenberg print the Bible in English rather than in Latin/Greek/Hebrew/Whatever ??? Well look at the fix Luther got himself into with 'The Church' when he tried to get the Bible printed in German. That aside, I feel ashamed when a non-rap-redneck-speaking newcomer (NRRSN for the Americans) to this list formulates his joy of becoming a member of the free community, and he is received by ridiculing comments about misspelling and mis-syntaxing. A few years ago this list was friendlier. Sorry for my bad English.. Kaj Haulrich. Well said Kaj. Just what I was also thinking, an I also believe Stefan is owed an apology. BTW, your English is more better than most of us English/US/Redneck's ;) -- Tom BrinkmanCorpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Menudrake crashes when starting
On Tuesday 22 February 2005 06:04 pm, hackhound wrote: If you run update-menus -v in a terminal as root and then as a user do you see any error messages? Running update-menus -v as both root and as a user does not generate any errors. However, I did notice that both stop at: update-menus[14731]: Running method: /etc/menu-methods/simplified/kde3 and I have to hit Enter go get back to a prompt. That's just what you should need to do. OTOH, if you don't wanna be bothered with that, then run 'update-menus -v -n'. The -n switch will get you back to the prompt without hitting Enter. Particularly useful if you run update-menus with an alias, an specially if you include other commands. EG, alias upall='rpm --rebuilddb updatedb ldconfig -v update-menus -v -n' Also, you should log out and then back into your desktop after running update-menus I am still getting the segmentation fault when I launch menudrake, sigh. Thanks, Hackhound -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] /dev/pts ???
On Friday 18 February 2005 10:32 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Ivica Bogdanovic wrote: Does any body knows what is /dev/pts I got it in the fstab and during the boot it says no device or already mountedwhen i open /dev/pts folder i got 3 devices inside marked with 0,1,2.I am suspecting on my sky star 2 card because it is the only hardware that isnt setup on my system but can any body tell me what is this device Cheers What version are you running? If you are running 10.1, did you do an upgrade? Off hand, I would say that the entry is left over from upgrading. I know 10.1 with udev doesn't use the pts file system. I will check 9.2 later. Mikkel I started to answer this thread in the beginning but wasn't sure of why I have# none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 (disabled by commenting out) in /etc/fstab. The advice on cooker was to remove the line as 'pts' are no longer used. IIRC this was early on in 10.1 development at the time of switching from devfs to udev. So I believe you've got it right Mikkel, those that upgraded to 10.1 should either remove the line, or comment it out. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [Installation] Error on booting from cd - Unable to mount root fs
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 07:52 am, riccardo wrote: On Tuesday 15 February 2005 01:01 pm, James Nunnerley wrote: Can anyone assist with what the problem is likely to be? ___ ~ maybe a module. such as Reiser file system is not loading? best rgds More likely SATA, an WD could be part of the problem also search 'sata' on both bugzilla and cooker https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/ http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerw=2r=1s=sataq=b -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dumbest test I've ever seen
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Don't bother looking here : http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.aspx?id=104575catId=100276tid=18p=1 And here I thought the Aussies were bright :-( Stephen and Franki : don't you have asylums down under ? Kaj Haulrich. I had to look into this "bad test". I am sorry, but as a disgruntled MS user I see nothing wrong with this test. I recently had to use IE to get a boarding pass for Karen (learned why folks want to counterfeit using IE). Removing the "mining" cookies with Ad Aware really screwed up both Windoze and my Netscape 7.1. Took me 3 weeks to straighten out every thing. What does this have to do with this test? There are a lot of us out here that are not happy the the wonderful features of MS. The reason that most got MS is because it is easy to get. We got it because that was the platform that had the features that we needed. In 98 linux did not have what we need in anywhere near the easy use that we need. Did not have, do not have, the time to get that deep into comp sci, nor the interest. Judging by this test, MAC sounds great (it was my preference in 98 but just didn't meet our needs). MS sounds like it has the advantage of costing the most and very little else. To us, ignorant consumers, it boils down to how much time are we spending on the learning curve and maintaining the system. Looks to me like the Linux systems come out pretty damned good in this test. It would be nice if the folks doing the tests knew more about how the linux systems work in relation to security. I think it is unreasonable to expect it though. Linus is an "underground, radical and possibly communist" system. It is not mass marketed compared to MS or even MAC. To expect writers to know anything about linux is asking too much. I am impressed that linux was included and I think you should be too. I have found, this is my observation and oppinion, that linux users are rightfully sarcastic about MS and, for no reason that I can see, awfully defensive about linux. When somewhere in the area of 472 percent of computers use MS, it seems to me that linux is doing real well. It is improving. This is something that no one, except MS, claims about Windoze. This "test" is just some bunch of well meaning folks that are suprised to fine that linux is competitive. Give them a break and they may come around. Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dumbest test I've ever seen
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Don't bother looking here : http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.aspx?id=104575catId=100276tid=18p=1 And here I thought the Aussies were bright :-( Stephen and Franki : don't you have asylums down under ? Kaj Haulrich. I had to look into this bad test. I am sorry, but as a disgruntled MS user I see nothing wrong with this test. I recently had to use IE to get a boarding pass for Karen (learned why folks want to counterfeit using IE). Removing the mining cookies with Ad Aware really screwed up both Windoze and my Netscape 7.1. Took me 3 weeks to straighten out every thing. What does this have to do with this test? There are a lot of us out here that are not happy the the wonderful features of MS. The reason that most got MS is because it is easy to get. We got it because that was the platform that had the features that we needed. In 98 linux did not have what we need in anywhere near the easy use that we need. Did not have, do not have, the time to get that deep into comp sci, nor the interest. Judging by this test, MAC sounds great (it was my preference in 98 but just didn't meet our needs). MS sounds like it has the advantage of costing the most and very little else. To us, ignorant consumers, it boils down to how much time are we spending on the learning curve and maintaining the system. Looks to me like the Linux systems come out pretty damned good in this test. It would be nice if the folks doing the tests knew more about how the linux systems work in relation to security. I think it is unreasonable to expect it though. Linus is an underground, radical and possibly communist system. It is not mass marketed compared to MS or even MAC. To expect writers to know anything about linux is asking too much. I am impressed that linux was included and I think you should be too. I have found, this is my observation and oppinion, that linux users are rightfully sarcastic about MS and, for no reason that I can see, awfully defensive about linux. When somewhere in the area of 472 percent of computers use MS, it seems to me that linux is doing real well. It is improving. This is something that no one, except MS, claims about Windoze. This test is just some bunch of well meaning folks that are suprised to fine that linux is competitive. Give them a break and they may come around. Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] /dev/dsp gone??
On Saturday 29 January 2005 03:42 pm, Alan Ianson wrote: I am running the 10.2b1 and after rebooting I have no sound, although sound was working fine on the first boot up. I don't see any /dev/dsp for some reason. How do I recreate that file, or what do I need to do to get sound back? Better asked on the cooker list. You shouldn't be usin cooker without also monitoring the cooker ML, changelog, and bugzilla as a minimum. Anyhow, IME, a week or so ago I needed to install 'aumix' and run it to reset the sliders from -0-. Previously all that was needed was to watch with cooker updates was that Kmix didn't mute. IIRC, a kernel or KDE update did me in. OTOH, a search of the 'expert' archive might be useful. A recent discussion, USB and Sound problems on 10.1 not on 10.0 revealed that Theo (no relative of mine) got sound back by runnin 'alsaconf'. IIRC, he got USB back too I implore you tho to research first. Specially the cooker, CHRPM ML archives, and bugzilla As to /dev/dsp, aumix ... mine on current 10.2 is tom # ll /dev/dsp crw-rw 1 tom audio 14, 3 Jan 29 14:46 /dev/dsp tom # aumix -q vol 100, 81, P pcm 100, 100 line 100, 100, P mic 100, 100, P cd 100, 100, P igain 100, 100 line1 100, 100, P dig1 100, 100 phin 100, 100, P phout 100, 100, R video 100, 100, P I never needed 'alsaconf', but you should run 'draksound' an follow the suggestions. Advice; since you've got 10.2b1 you've probly got broadband an cooker media sources. Update daily an contribute back to the lists, bugzilla what you can. Often that can be just stayin current an votin for bugs already reported, but not yet resolved. newbie to guru input. Don't be too quick tho, often bugs are fixed before the community even reacts with bugzilla's or posts. Sometimes not ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hope for mandrake 10.2 include QT 3.3.4
On Thursday 27 January 2005 08:30 am, Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 27 January 2005 06:10 am, Lanman wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 26 January 2005 08:48 pm, Teddy Widhi wrote: Hi, I wish on the next release of Mandrake 10.2 including QT 3.3.4. its the bug fix and backward compatibility for QT 3.3.x. Ok Thank you. Then you should post this message to cooker where the devs hang out, not in newbie where the, well, newbie's hang out. ;) Hey Greg! Speak for yourself, eh? There's nothing on me that's Hangin' Outand I suspect that this is also true for most of the list members! I keep it ALL nicely tucked in, OK? I used to hang out..but the ladies all laughed at me Grin! Snicker! Jeez, why not just answer the man's question? qt 3.3.4 is already in 10.2 ~ $ cat /etc/mandrake-release Mandrakelinux release 10.2 (Cooker) for i586 ~ $ frpm qt3 libqt3-devel-3.3.4-2mdk qt3-example-3.3.4-2mdk libqt3-3.3.4-2mdk qt3-common-3.3.4-2mdk (alias frpm='rpm -qa | grep -i') -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10.1 missing icons
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 09:58 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:21, Mike Adolf wrote: I was doing the QT designer tutorial, it directed me to browse to locate an icon called tabwidget.png. This icon and others used in the tutorial are not in my installation of 10.1, which includes the development packages. All autoupdates were also run during installation. Is this an oversite on the part of the release makers? Does any body have these icons or know where to get them. Goolging produced a couple of locations such as: /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kommander and $QTDIR/app/qt/tools/designer/examples/colortool/images QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 which I also do not have. Mike Have you tried kfind = tabwidget.png to see if it might be living in a different location? ~ $ locate -i tabwidget |grep png /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKTabWidget__inherit__graph.png /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKTabWidget__coll__graph.png /usr/share/doc/qt-3.3.3/doc/html/qtabwidget-m.png /usr/share/doc/qt-3.3.3/doc/html/qtabwidget-w.png (This is on a 10.2 system, but 10.1 should be the same) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Swap partion
On Sunday 23 January 2005 03:29 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote : I always prefer to put /swap as the first partition (hd?1) on a drive. R/W's slow as much as 40% the further down a partition is on a drive, regardless of the drive's rpms, size, number of disks, age, etc. This puzzles me : I've always believed that a harddisk had its first cylinders at the center. This should give a slower radial velocity. Furthermore, if the read/write arm has its idle position at the perimeter it should travel a longer distance to the swap partition. But maybe I got it all upside/down ? Kaj Haulrich. Sort'a. HDD, the sectors on the outer perimeter are passing under the r/w arm at a faster speed than the inner rings. First partitions are on the outer rings. Now it is just the opposite with CD drives, which are recorded from the inner ring to the outer edge. Anyhow, back to HDD's, I believe the track location (inner/outer) has a much bigger effect than distance the r/w arm has to travel. r/w arms move so quickly back'n forth they'd put a humming bird's wings to shame. Also, today's large drives have multiple platters and r/w arms. Which BTW, 'park' by the outer rings. http://computer.howstuffworks.com/hard-disk.htm -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] copying from a ntsf partition to Linux
On Sunday 23 January 2005 07:59 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 23 Jan 2005 13:12, Angus Auld wrote: Is it safe to copy files from my NTFS xp partition over to my Mdk10.1?? I have heard it said that it isn't safe to write to a NTFS from Mdk, but is it safe to go the other way? Copying is no problem, but do not move (mv). Remember that moving a file involves deleting it on the ntfs partition. Keep that in mind and you'll be OK. Anne I have no experience (no Win$ux), but that pretty much mirrors my understanding. Just one item left, if you make a tarball, say a backup of your /home directory... can you extract the contents of the tarball on a ntfs partition directly into a Linux (ext_, ReiserFS, XFS, JFS, etc) partition? Similarly, can rpm's stored on ntfs, be installed from there? I would think dual-boot newbies with no separate /home partition, might find this a lifesaving alternative to save their /home files and configs. Much the same with /boot, /etc, or /var. Directories I regularly backup (un-tar'd) to a ReiserFS /stor partition. Some rpm's I save too, just in case I need to --force them in again to replace (corrupted or deleted) files. Specially helpful for kernels. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Saturday 22 January 2005 04:38 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday 22 January 2005 10:32 am, Julie Sloan wrote: I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully during the reinstall will set up a storage partition or two. I'm dualbooting WinXP and Mandrake; have the Win on the original harddrive and Mandrake on its own, separate, hd. I can see into windoze from Mandrake but cannot write to it. Actually you seem to have alot'a snap for a newbie. I hope I've learned a little bit in six months?? But a lot of what you say from here on looks like alphabet soup on the first pass :) So I'll read it again, slower... If most of us admitted it, we had to, or thought it wise to re-install linux about a dozen times in our first six months ;) In the re-install, make a separate /home dir this time ;) Also, IME, one real big /stor dir is better than many. Why one real big /stor dir? User needs and preference. I have 4 stor partitions. I often encounter running out of space on one, when there's room on others. Use of dirs (folders) to separate movies, sound, pictures, essential backups, and misc would'a been more efficient on one humongous size drive. Wouldn't it be better to have new downloads (from unknown sources; I don't mean rpms) go to a separate partition to isolate them just in case, and to have certain types of large files, for instance MP3s, default to their own space? Choice of partitions and file systems is a matter of preference and user experience. Basically for partitions, / this is the root directory (not to be confused with 'root' user). It's the top level mount point, that all other directories come under. Even if they are on separate partitions. Everything on Linux is a file, partitions are put on mount points. To illustrate, type 'l /*' in a console and scroll up. Even better, type 'tree /less' (you'll probly need to 'urpmi tree' first) /home it's a good idea to have this on it's own partition, mostly for reasons you've already discovered. It can be a bad idea when a small HDD (13gig) is used for Linux tho. IE, inefficient use of limited disk space. When I first began with linux it was on a 256mb HDD. I used one big 'ol / and a swap file. / is the only absolutely mandatory partition /swap almost imperative, altho a swap file can be used instead (as above). General advice is to make it the same size as installed ram, if that is at least 512mb. For smaller amounts of ram, double the size of the /swap partition, eg ram=128, make swap at least 256. So for ram=256, /swap should be 512. MOF, IMO, 512 is about the minimum. It's what I have now, an next install I'm gonna double it. For laptops that suspend to ram, /swap should always be at least 30% more than installed ram, if not double. /boot while this preference is outdated, IMO it's still a good idea to put /boot on a separate partition. Use of ext3 is an added precaution when other partitions use a journalled filesystem. IIRC, it's still mandatory for XFS. Further separate partitioning is mostly for production servers and for their unique security concerns. When attempted by newbies it can cause files that are needed to boot, to not be available during init. Sort'a fatal ; File systems; Journalled is the way to go. Your choice but I've never had any problems with ReiserFS. Till now ... 2.6.10 kernels, and maybe newer ones have some issues with reiser, particularly on sata HDD's. I expect it to be cleared up tho. If this concerns you, use ext3. It's nothin but the old reliable ext2 Linux has used forever, with journalling capability tacked on. It's sort'a slow and clumsy tho. As to 'see' into Win$ux, that why I left it at 'complicated'. M$ ntfs FS's (and there are several versions), can be read by Linux, but write support is (intentionally by M$) dangerous and not supported. I'm not even sure if a tarball stored on ntfs can be transferred to Linux. Yes it can - is how I got a modem driver when linux wasn't recognizing my conexant last summer. D/L'ed it into WinXP then cp'd it into Mandrake. BTW, when you re-install I recommend ReiserFS. And make a separate /boot partition (~50mb's, ext3). Ratio of '/' to '/home' will depend on how much total space you have, but IME, 8gig for '/' and 12gig for /home is plenty ... specially if you set aside storage space. For small Linux 'only' drives (13gig), I believe putting everything one big 'ol '/' partition, with a suitable /swap partition is best use. Thanks for the suggestions. I have 200G total on two drives, but 80 of that has Win$ux spread all over it. If I make a, say, 20G partition on the 120G drive, (where my crippled Mandrake 10.0 is now) then move (?) the 4G of WinXP OS into it, could I reformat that 80G into storage space? The thought of it is pretty daunting; I am very new to this and know
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Friday 21 January 2005 04:13 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: What is your choice? (1-4) 4 To satisfy dependencies, the following 556 packages are going to be installed (1088 MB): I am on dialup. 22Mb takes an hour and a half. Do I need 1088 additional Mb?? It's not 1088 'additional' mb. MOF, it's not even 1088 mb's. 1088 is the installed diskspace required, but since you're updating (replacing) packages, the the difference in disk space used is minimal. Also, 1088 represents the uncompressed size of the packages. Since the rpm's are compressed, your d/l would be roughly 40% of 1088, or 400 to 450 mb's. That's still way too much for dialup. I suggest you, beg borrow, or steal some 10.1 CD's, or re-install 10.0, saving /home if you can. If /home's not on a separate partition now, and you have enough diskspace on a storage partition, just copy your entire /home directory to that partition. Then copy it back in after a re-install of 10.0, overwriting the install /home. This probly isn't practically feasible if your storage area is any type of Windoze file system. It's possible, but much more complicated. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems
On Saturday 22 January 2005 10:32 am, Julie Sloan wrote: If /home's not on a separate partition now, and you have enough diskspace on a storage partition, just copy your entire /home directory to that partition. Then copy it back in after a re-install of 10.0, overwriting the install /home. This probly isn't practically feasible if your storage area is any type of Windoze file system. It's possible, but much more complicated. I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully during the reinstall will set up a storage partition or two. I'm dualbooting WinXP and Mandrake; have the Win on the original harddrive and Mandrake on its own, separate, hd. I can see into windoze from Mandrake but cannot write to it. thanks, Julie Actually you seem to have alot'a snap for a newbie. In the re-install, make a separate /home dir this time ;) Also, IME, one real big /stor dir is better than many. CD backup of /home was a good idea on your part. This advice comin from an old idiot with 4 /stor[1,2,3,4] partitions spanning 3 PATA/SATA mix of drives with a total of 280gig. As to 'see' into Win$ux, that why I left it at 'complicated'. M$ ntfs FS's (and there are several versions), can be read by Linux, but write support is (intentionally by M$) dangerous and not supported. I'm not even sure if a tarball stored on ntfs can be transferred to Linux. Maybe someone here with actual experience can comment. I haven't used anything M$ in years. BTW, when you re-install I recommend ReiserFS. And make a separate /boot partition (~50mb's, ext3). Ratio of '/' to '/home' will depend on how much total space you have, but IME, 8gig for '/' and 12gig for /home is plenty ... specially if you set aside storage space. For small Linux 'only' drives (13gig), I believe putting everything one big 'ol '/' partition, with a suitable /swap partition is best use. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] kde/urpmi mess
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 12:20 am, SnapafunFrank wrote: Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Tuesday 11 January 2005 19:44, Brett Lyon wrote: After a recent routine update (urpmi.update -a;urpmi --auto-select), I get this when calling K3B (from anywhere): [EMAIL PROTECTED] brett]# k3b k3b: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libartskde.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZTv0_n28_N4Arts16SynthModule_stub11autoSuspendEv [EMAIL PROTECTED] brett]# Before the (blind) upgrade, K3B had been running great for months. When I trace back all the packages that ultimately provide libartskde.so I find that a)they are all so embedded in the core of KDE that an upgrade would be a hefty undertaking and that b)now neither URPMI nor drakconf work for any kind of directly KDE-related (only) upgrade anyway (they both hang immediately), so it would be a lot of plain old rpming or making. Can anybody suggest a way to begin troubleshooting this? /var/log/messages, urpmi, (etc.) shows nothing significant. system info: MDK 10.1 OE, 2.6.8.1-12mdk, P4 2.66GHz, 512MB KDE 3.2.3 I tried: libk3b2-0.11.18-1.mdk10.1.thac k3b-0.11.18-1.mdk10.1.thac and: k3b-0.11.16-3mdk libk3b2-0.11.16-3mdk Other wierd things are happening too, like my konsole schema is gone, kicker crashes, xtraceroute hangs, etc. kde + urpmi = big mess. How can a proficient beginner avoid these non-productive time-wasters while staying updated? Thanks for any tips, brett Strange. I just upgraded 161 MB worth of KDE and xscreensaver coming up today, but my k3b works OK. I noticed your command : urpmi.update -a;urpmi --auto-select ^ a space is needed here urpmi.update -a; urpmi --auto-select and this semicolon shouldn't be there. Instead it is : urpmi.update -a urpmi --auto-select The difference between using ';' or '' is that the double ampersand says to the system, 'run this next command only if the previous one is successful.' Use of ';' doesn't use this precaution. Obviously '' should normally be preferred when the subsequent command(s) relies on the prior one(s). My suggestion : try again if your update is older than one day. You might be able to get all the new stuff as of today. HTH Kaj Haulrich. Not sure, but it sounds like you tried to update with kde running. I tried this once and ended up reinstalling from scratch. Did the update one step at a time in the order required for kde with xserver closed down and have had no problems since. As I said - not sure if this is your problem or not. I run cooker. I update KDE almost daily, sometimes several times a day. Always with KDE and X running. In the past I've updated 'final' or 'community' or 'official' Mandrake versions, always from within KDE. I have no idea who or when this fallacious advice originated, ie, logout from KDE and/or X to update. It simply isn't so. This isn't Win$ux folks. What _is_ often needed is to update the system after the updates are installed, eg, I use an alias (as root), 'upall' alias upall='rpm --rebuilddb updatedb ldconfig -v update-menus -v -n' Then log out and back into KDE to fully realize the updates. It's a good idea to use Ctrl+Alt+BkSp while logged out to restart the X server. Specially if updates were to X. If you're setup to auto-login to KDE, this step will auto log you back into KDE. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Tuesday 11 January 2005 11:33 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Tuesday 11 January 2005 02:31 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Sounds like something with bittorrent. What did the error message say ? What torrent were you downloading/uploading ? Did you set your firewall to open for torrents ? Kaj Haulrich. It does, doesn't it? The error message was something about time out, bad info on file or somesuch. It was Lokitorrent, and it was a movie. :-) Yes, I had done a service shorewall stop (I know, I should set it to open the individual ports). So the 6xxx ports should have been open. Besides, I've d'/led other bittorrent files this way, no problem. I still don't see what it did to my /home directory that the reiserfs couldn't handle. :-( Three ideas; you ran out'a disk space or ram/swap or failed to limit upload rate. Another consideration is you need to be very careful on movie torrent sites. Most are uploaded (the torrent file) by really clueless Winblow$ users. Some are redirects to WaReZ sites. Some are malicious, not a worry for Linux, as they are targeted to fsck'up Win$ux boxes. Using these cautions, I haven't encountered too many bad torrents.. yet. But if seeds disappear, a bad torrent could still tryin keep messin with you. IMO, torrents are the least desirable way to get movies. Without the 'bad' problems, some are only an archive of corrupt .rars, with no par files for repair. Avoid 'cam' movies too. Many Windoze user torrents are erroneously encoded (aspect ratio), and you'll need to use mencoder to fix 'em. So next time you try a torrent, monitor memory use (top), and monitor the d/l directory's partition for disk space (df) from early on. 'kdirstat' is also useful for this. Also check your ~/.xsession-errors file to make sure it's not inflating rapidly. If you want further opinion, you'll need to send me the torrent file. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: winmodems
On Tuesday 11 January 2005 08:19 pm, Ana Paula Samodossi wrote: Thank you all for your suggestions. I think I ll be switching to an adls connection in a few months, thanks for all guys!! When you do go for adsl, holler back Ana, with the hardware required. Often your ISP will provide it. Sometimes both ether/nic and USB alternatives. Avoid USB. If they only offer USB, that doesn't mean you're stuck with it. Also state the ISP, as somebody here probly already uses them and has experience to share. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Translate errors with cdrecord?
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 08:30 am, David Reynolds wrote: Okay, I need to back up some of my data and, more importantly, burn my 10.1 ISOs before I reinstall (to fix the libgcc error my machine developed on the last install). However *because* libgcc failed, there are a whole host of programs I can't install, so I'm back to the CLI for cdburning. When I try to check my cdrom burner I get this: # cdrecord -scanbus (really, cdrecord --anything) Should be 'cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus' on a 10.1 system. If that returns x,x,x as your burner, then burn the iso's with 'cdrecord -v -eject speed=16 dev=ATA:x,x,x -dao name_of.iso' -dao is most important for iso's. x,x,x should be whatever numbers the -scanbus query returns. Make sure your drive supports disk-at-once. 'cdrecord dev=ATA:x,x,x -checkdrive' ... you should see 'SAO' (SAO == dao). For speed= ,use no more than 1/3 of your burners rated speed, or the media you're using, whichever is smaller, for best results. EG, 52x burner with 48x media, use =16. Check the md5sum of the iso before (this is actually a first step) and after burning. To check the CD, use 'md5sum /dev/hd?' where ? is the letter for your burner. All of that is after you d/l (or from CD's) fresh gcc-3.4.3-2mdk gcc-cpp-3.4.3-2mdk libgcc1-3.4.3-2mdk gcc-c++-3.4.3-2mdk . and do a 'rpm -Uvh --force *gcc*' to see if you can't fix gcc. Ignore my version numbers, that's current 10.2, but make sure you're using the same versions as already installed. --force in this case will only replace packages and files. IMO, it's about the only proper use of --force. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Bittorent info found
On Monday 10 January 2005 09:43 pm, Aron Smith wrote: If you have the bittorent GUI installed K-internet -- file transfer Bittorent GUI when the window pops up another window behind it also pops up this second window has the info for bittorent Yes, but not just in the GUI. I've given up on the GUI because it's simpler and easier to use bittorrent on the CL btdownloadcurses.py --max_upload_rate 20 name_of_the.torrent Even simpler if you use an alias for all but the torrent file, eg, 'bt name_of_the.torrent' and use Tab completion. Then you'll see the torrent start, download rates, and current seeders and peers, progress, etc. It's also quicker to resume if you need to stop it for any reason. Most all of this is recent improvements in 'bittorrent'. (bittorrent-3.9.0-2mdk) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Burning music CDs
On Sunday 09 January 2005 02:57 pm, Anders Lind wrote: On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:46:13 -0800 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming you are starting a new project each time go toFile select Newproject --audio CD project Then drag and drop the .wav files into the box below (at least that's how it works for me) Hope this helps But if he is doing just a CD-copy, without encoding for example mp3-files with XMMS to wav, then he just needs to use the CD copy format...I haven't actually tried doing this with K3B for myself, however I have burnt music-CD's for my neighbour and for my mother with K3B without any problems (And with XCD-Roast as well) /Anders Most GUI's do CD copy 'on the fly'. IMO a poor choice. Better to write to disk (HDD), then burn. I use a simple 'cpaudiocd' This requires you have a CDrom to read, an a separate burner. alias cpaudiocd='ripacd normall bacd rm -f /home/tom/wav/*' | alias ripacd='cdparanoia -vB 1- /home/tom/wav/' alias normall='normalize -m /home/tom/wav/*' alias bacd='cdrecord -v -eject driveropts=burnfree speed=24 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -sao -pad -audio /home/tom/wav/*.wav' IME, the resulting copy is often better than the original and will play in even the cheapest junk player. -sao is very much needed in the above cdrecord command when copying CD's that are at or very near the 80 minute limit. speed=24 is 1/2 speed for my burner and the media I use. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Bittorent info found
On Tuesday 11 January 2005 09:54 am, Anders Lind wrote: btdownloadcurses.py --max_upload_rate 20 name_of_the.torrent Even simpler if you use an alias for all but the torrent file, eg, 'bt name_of_the.torrent' and use Tab completion. Then you'll see the torrent start, download rates, and current seeders and peers, progress, etc. It's also quicker to resume if you need to stop it for any reason. Most all of this is recent improvements in 'bittorrent'. (bittorrent-3.9.0-2mdk) Tom, have you used Azureus. ... IMO the best BT-client out there /Anders Nope, sort'a set in my ways ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] KDE upgrade
On Saturday 01 January 2005 10:25 am, Keith Powell wrote: After several frustrating hours of failure, I am afraid I will have to ask! In Mandrake 10.1 Official, I am trying to upgrade KDE to KDE3.3 which is on disk4 of the Download Edition. But my attempts have been a complete failure. I have tried everything that I can think of, using urpmi. None work. :( I also can't get Install Packages to find the new KDE on disk4. Tried all sorts of add media as well. So, PLEASE someone, in plain language, how does one install KDE3.3 from disk4? I don't need to keep KDE3.2. I can't find the answer in twiki or the archives. Very many thanks for any help. Keith Here's how I did it (then). I put in CD4 and cd'd to the KDE3.3 directory. There I ran 'rpm -Fvh *.rpm' which returned some missing dependencies. Mostly libjack* IIRC. I already had online 10.1 sources set up, so I used those to get the deps. You might be able to use your CD sources. That upgraded KDE packages I already had from the many from the 10.1 CD install. (which is what 'rpm -Fvh' does, see 'man rpm'). After the upgrade was finished, I ran 'upall' as root; [ alias upall='rpm --rebuilddb updatedb ldconfig -v update-menus -v -n' ] Then logged out, back into KDE, using Ctrl+Alt+Bsp to re-start the X server while I was logged out. If you are setup to auto login to your desktop, this will bypass the login next step. For my experience and opinion: _Don't do it_! If you really want KDE3.3, setup cooker sources and use urpmi to update to KDE 3.3.2, (complete cooker 10.2) You'll be better off. KDE3.3.1 shipped with 10.1 is alpha an buggy quality, IME. Cooker is currently stable. Do it NOW while cooker is slow for the holidays YMMV -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Shutdown problem
On Saturday 11 December 2004 03:50 pm, RickSisler wrote: Also drawing from your experience, wouldn't *dmidecode* be of use in this case to see what a bios supports ? The reason I ask, IIRC ..was of a post about what the bios reporting information, on this list or the expert list .. arrgh ..can't find the link now 8( sorry for asking another question. Thanks Tom, you helped me find out my MB supported local apic for 9.2, thru lurkin, since I was having stability problems then. As I understand it 'dmidecode' just reads what is programmed into the bios chip by the vendor. Since much hardware is designed and marketed for Windoze, it may not be entirely accurate. EG, dmidecode returns that the motherboard supports ACPI and APIC. All this probly means is M$ non-standard and non-compliant ACPI and APIC is supported. I haven't run Win$ux in years and not since W98, but I do know for a fact ACPI wasn't standards compliant then, and was handled in software thru a registry hack to work with Winblows. About all you can do with Linux is to try trial'n error to see if your hardware will get along with the various bios capabilities that dmidecode reports. Complicated with the variables of different bios manufactures and bios settings. The combo of bios, hardware, and OS configuration variables can be very problematic, almost completely overwhelming. As always, hardware is a moving target, best researched prior to purchase an use, the latest and greatest avoided, and (rave) hardware reviews on prominent Web hardware sites taken with a grain of salt. Specially when the testbed OS is Windoze. LKML, cooker, and other distro development ML's are helpful as is Google/linux and as such should be given the greatest weight. FWIW, currently I'd look for an Award bios board, with a VIA chipset. Next would be SiS, last would be nForce*, as a starting point. Intel chipsets, I only have my own research to go by as I haven't used Intel in quite a while (P3 - BX was the last one). Seems the latest ones (about 6 months old) are best supported tho. There's only one, more certain solution. Don't use desktop or laptop hardware. Buy expensive production server kit designed to run Un*x ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Shutdown problem
On Friday 10 December 2004 08:53 am, Keith Powell wrote: In /etc/lilo.conf try editing the append-line, especially the apic thing. Remove it completely or set it to apic=ht or noapic. HTH Kaj Haulrich. Thanks, Kaj. apic=off has solved it. The append line was already apic=ht, so I first changed it to noapic and then apic=noapic. Neither had any effect. For proper and valid kernel parameters give kernel-parameters.txt a thorough read. You'll need to have kernel-source installed, as it contains the file. eg, /usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1-20mdk/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt Or you might Google for the file for your kernel. Many of the parameters I see in various ML posts are not valid (possibly undocumented) and are ignored by the kernel, ie, 'no effect'. APIC, advance programable interrupt control. If your system works better with 'noapic', then what this really means is you have non-compliant and/or deficient hardware bordering on the 'designed for windoze' variety. Disabling ACPI and/or APIC is best avoided when not absolutely necessary, to deal with sloppy, sub-standard hardware. Tho in fairness, other popular distros do disable them by default. If your system can't use these advanced features, don't kid youself with believing that optimization for i586, i686, or K7, compiling with PREEMPT and such, will provide any benefit. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Shutdown problem
On Friday 10 December 2004 07:30 pm, RickSisler wrote: Kaj Haulrich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Friday 10 December 2004 21:47, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Friday 10 December 2004 08:53 am, Keith Powell wrote: In /etc/lilo.conf try editing the append-line, especially the apic thing. Remove it completely or set it to apic=ht or noapic. HTH Kaj Haulrich. Thanks, Kaj. apic=off has solved it. The append line was already apic=ht, so I first changed it to noapic and then apic=noapic. Neither had any effect. For proper and valid kernel parameters give kernel-parameters.txt a thorough read. You'll need to have kernel-source installed, as it contains the file. eg, /usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1-20mdk/Documentation/kernel-parameter s.txt Or you might Google for the file for your kernel. Many of the parameters I see in various ML posts are not valid (possibly undocumented) and are ignored by the kernel, ie, 'no effect'. APIC, advance programable interrupt control. If your system works better with 'noapic', then what this really means is you have non-compliant and/or deficient hardware bordering on the 'designed for windoze' variety. Disabling ACPI and/or APIC is best avoided when not absolutely necessary, to deal with sloppy, sub-standard hardware. Tho in fairness, other popular distros do disable them by default. If your system can't use these advanced features, don't kid youself with believing that optimization for i586, i686, or K7, compiling with PREEMPT and such, will provide any benefit. Tom, does that mean, that an empty append line defaults to booting with both enabled ? Kaj Haulrich. Kaj, as Tom said,you'll need the kernel sources installed and the place to look for default kernel info is in: $ cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/ *linux* should be a symlink but YMMV.. which contains the default configs for many different kernels. So for example, mine is: # uname -sr Linux 2.6.8.1-12mdk since we're in the proper dir.. we grep the file for apic : # cat defconfig |grep -i acpi # Power management options (ACPI, APM) # ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support CONFIG_ACPI=y CONFIG_ACPI_BOOT=y CONFIG_ACPI_INTERPRETER=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_ACPI_AC=m CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=m CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=m CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=m CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=m CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS=m CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA=m # CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_ACPI_BUS=y CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y CONFIG_ACPI_PCI=y CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y CONFIG_ACPI_INITRD=y CONFIG_ACPI_TC1100=m CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=m # CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ_PROC_INTF is not set CONFIG_X86_POWERNOW_K7_ACPI=y CONFIG_X86_POWERNOW_K8_ACPI=y CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO_ACPI=y CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_ACPI=m CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_ACPI=y CONFIG_SERIAL_WACOM_ACPI=m Then also grep for apic: # cat defconfig |grep -i apic CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_UP_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_UP_IOAPIC=y CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_IO_APIC=y I got this info from Thomas Backlund from lurking the expert list earlier this year. So it would seem *yes* Kaj, it is on by default. HTH I appreciate the addition Rick. Let me take this opportunity to add a caution to your post, but more so to previous replies I sent in this thread. ** Unless you know what you're doing, don't edit kernel config files by hand and then compile a kernel ** I do, but then I'm a reckless idiot ; Many of y'all have run 'make menuconfig' or 'make xconfig' and noticed that when you changed somethin, some, sometimes many other options either were greyed out (disabled), or became enabled. This automatically protects you against setting conflicting compile options, and/or automatically presents others appropriately. This protection is not afforded if you edit kernel configs manually. Still as Rick has very well illustrated, you should take a look and get familiar with the kernel options, features, and capabilities which are Linux. The very heart of your system, and a good place to begin diagnosing peculiar problems. A little knowlege in this basic area will lead you to other involved processes, like various init functions that have a lot to do with booting up, or shutting down, and everything in between. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Shutdown problem
On Friday 10 December 2004 09:37 pm, care free wrote:
I wonder if it is acpi=on or set you acpi on in your bios
J.T.
According to past and present kernel-parameters.txt, acpi=on
is _not_ a valid option.
...
acpi= [HW,ACPI] Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
Format: { force | off | ht | strict }
force -- enable ACPI if default was off
off -- disable ACPI if default was on
noirq -- do not use ACPI for IRQ routing
ht -- run only enough ACPI to enable Hyper Threading
strict -- Be less tolerant of platforms that are not
strictly ACPI specification compliant.
See also Documentation/pm.txt, pci=noacpi
acpi_sleep= [HW,ACPI] Sleep options
Format: { s3_bios, s3_mode }
See Documentation/power/video.txt
acpi_sci= [HW,ACPI] ACPI System Control Interrupt
trigger mode
Format: { level | edge | high | low }
acpi_irq_balance[HW,ACPI] ACPI will balance active
IRQs default in APIC mode
acpi_irq_nobalance [HW,ACPI] ACPI will not move
active IRQs (default)
default in PIC mode
acpi_irq_pci= [HW,ACPI] If irq_balance, Clear listed
IRQs for use by PCI
Format: irq,irq...
acpi_irq_isa= [HW,ACPI] If irq_balance, Mark listed IRQs
used by ISA
Format: irq,irq...
acpi_osi= [HW,ACPI] empty param disables _OSI
acpi_serialize [HW,ACPI] force serialization of AML
methods
acpi_skip_timer_override [HW,ACPI]
Recognize and ignore IRQ0/pin2 Interrupt
Override.
For broken nForce2 BIOS resulting in
XT-PIC timer.
...
This is the mesg about ML/twiki type opinions and advice I'm
tryin to make known. acpi=on doesn't exist or is purposely
neglected and undocumented. In either case it's almost certain
to be ignored by the kernel and have no effect, or possibly an
unintended one.
Be concerned about ACPI tho. It's becoming most important on
current systems where more than the original 15 IRQ's and IRQ
sharing is needed. IMO, if you need to add 'acpi=any of the
options listed in kernel-parameters.txt' to your kernel, what
you really need to add is better and standards compliant hardware
to your system. The facts are available before you purchase,
only opinions afterwards.
APIC isn't all that big a fsck'n deal. Nice to have, might
add a slight touch of performance to ACPI IRQ handling.
This thread is the last of me being an ogre about advice and
opinions as gleaned from ML's and twiki's when it's contrary to
past and current developer's and maintainer's documentation.
Probly why after years, I hardly post anymore.
--
Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas
Proud to be an American
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Re: [newbie] cdredord trouble
On Tuesday 07 December 2004 01:47 pm, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote: On Tuesday 07 December 2004 04:50 am, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote: Also, typing cdrecord -scanbus gives this result Try 'cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus' Heres the result of cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vegard]$ cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a28-dvd (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'LITE-ON ' 'LTR-48126S ' '2QS5' Removable CD-ROM 1,1,0 101) '' '' '' NON CCS Disk 1,0,0 100) 'LITE-ON ' 'LTR-48126S ' '2QS5' Removable CD-ROM is my burner (hdc) . Although it says nothing about my cd-reader (hdd) Sony CDU5211 Feeling pretty clueless!! Regards Vegard I should have asked last time, what Mandrake version? No idea about 'NON CCS Disk'. Try looking around here, http://www.google.com/linux?hl=enlr=ie=ISO-8859-1q=NON+CCS+DiskbtnG=Google+Search What does 'cdrecord dev=ATA:1,0,0 -checkdrive' return? You might also try it for your CDrom, dev=ATA:1,1,0 -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] cdredord trouble
On Wednesday 08 December 2004 10:20 am, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote: I should have asked last time, what Mandrake version? No idea about 'NON CCS Disk'. Try looking around here, http://www.google.com/linux?hl=enlr=ie=ISO-8859-1q=NON+CCS +DiskbtnG=Google+Search What does 'cdrecord dev=ATA:1,0,0 -checkdrive' return? You might also try it for your CDrom, dev=ATA:1,1,0 hello again. I should have told you the first time.. sorry. Running mdk10.0 with kernel 2.6.3-7mdk. It seems like hdd is the problem. But I can not say what is wrong. The commands you gave me are below. Thanks for helping!!! Best regards from Vegard 'cdrecord dev=ATA:1,0,0 -checkdrive' gives this result: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vegard]$ cdrecord dev=ATA:1,0,0 -checkdrive Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a28-dvd (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) Vendor_info: 'LITE-ON ' Identifikation : 'LTR-48126S ' Revision : '2QS5' Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE FORCESPEED Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R Seems like your burner is ready to go. I can't help with GUI's cause I don't use them, but on the CL just specify your burner as dev=ATA:1,0,0 10.x uses ATA, not ide-scsi EG to burn an .iso cdrecord -v -eject driveropts=burnfree speed=16 dev=ATA:1,0,0 -dao name_of.iso If you've got an .iso handy, test the above but with the -dummy option added (see below). You'll need to put in a blank CDr, but -dummy will prevent writing anything to it. If you don't have an .iso handy, make one. mkisofs -r -o cd_image /path/to/a/dir/with_suitable_data_files Then try, cdrecord -v -eject driveropts=burnfree speed=24 dev=ATA:1,0,0 -data -dummy cd_image (in the above examples adjust speed= to 1/2 your burners rating) 'cdrecord dev=ATA:1,1,0 -checkdrive'gave this result: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vegard]$ cdrecord dev=ATA:1,1,0 -checkdrive Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a28-dvd (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) cdrecord: Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder. cdrecord: Success. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 00 00 00 00 00 00 status: 0x4 (CONDITION MET/GOOD) cmd finished after 5.471s timeout 40s cdrecord: The unit seems to be hung and needs power cycling. I dunno. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] cdredord trouble
On Tuesday 07 December 2004 04:50 am, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote: Also, typing cdrecord -scanbus gives this result Try 'cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus' -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Asus motherboards
On Friday 03 December 2004 11:18 am, Keith Powell wrote: I am very pleased that you say the Asus motherboard and the on-board Ethernet chipset both work well with Mandrake. I will use that, rather than my SMC card. Why I asked is because, if I remember correctly, there have been comments on the list in the past, that there are problems with some on-board Ethernet chipsets. I may have mis-remembered though. Fortunately those comments don't apply in this instance. The onboard 3c940 uses the sk98lin driver. This driver did not work well with the 3c940 in _early_ inceptions, but it should be fine with Mandrake 10.0 (and newer) and 2.6.x kernels used. I don't know if current 2.4.x kernels support it. I have an Asus A7V600 with the same onboard NIC. At the time, the sk98lin driver (9.x IIRC) was alpha quality and provided poor thruput. So I used a d-link NIC I already had. This is no longer a problem tho, the 3c940 is well supported. In any event, should you choose to, the onboard nic can be easily disabled in bios. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Xlib: extension 'GLX' missing on display ':0.0'.
On Thursday 02 December 2004 09:49 am, Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:29 am, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote: I'm running mdk 10.0. Will I encounter the same problem I could experience with 10.1? Yes, in order to get GLX running with a video card that has an nvidia chipset, you have to run the binary nvidia drivers available from either the Mandrake commercial packs, Club or directly from nvidia. You are using the free GPL driver called nv, that does not support 3D acceleration. This is the last time I'll try to correct this misinformation. The OSS 'nv' driver does indeed support GLX. What it does not do is DRI (direct rendering). This has been the case for a few years now. Mandrake 9.1 IIRC. tom $ less /etc/X11/xorg.conf Section Module Load dbe # Double-Buffering Extension Load v4l # Video for Linux Load extmod Load type1 Load freetype Load glx Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corp. BoardName NVIDIA GeForce4 (generic) Driver nv ^^ tom $ glxinfo name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: No server glx vendor string: SGI server glx version string: 1.2 server glx extensions: GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig client glx vendor string: SGI client glx version string: 1.4 client glx extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory, GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_OML_sync_control, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group GLX extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.1) OpenGL extensions: GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_point_sprite, GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_shadow_ambient, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, GL_EXT_blend_logic_op, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint, GL_EXT_copy_texture, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_point_parameters, GL_EXT_polygon_offset, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shadow_funcs, GL_EXT_stencil_two_side, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_subtexture, GL_EXT_texture, GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_rectangle, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_APPLE_packed_pixels, GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once, GL_ATIX_texture_env_combine3, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_INGR_blend_func_separate, GL_MESA_pack_invert, GL_MESA_ycbcr_texture, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_point_sprite, GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_border_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_lod, GL_SGIX_depth_texture, GL_SGIX_shadow, GL_SGIX_shadow_ambient, GL_SUN_multi_draw_arrays glu version: 1.3 glu extensions: GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess snip -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] CD-burning
On Thursday 25 November 2004 04:44 pm, Anders Lind wrote: Hello friends, I have experienced something strange, after upgrading to 10.0 from 9.1 my CD/DVD-writer has stopped being reckognised as a SCSI-device, cdrecord -scanbus gives me this info: scsidev: 'ATA' devname: 'ATA' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface. Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27 Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial libscg transport code version (warly-scsi-linux-sg.c-1.80-mdk '@(#)scsi-linux-sg.c 1.80 04/03/08 Copyright 1997 J. Schilling'). scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) '_NEC' 'DVD+RW ND-1100A ' '1.80' Removable CD-ROM 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * there are no /dev/sg after what I can see in the treesystem and no /dev/scd0 either, interestingly enough it seems that /dev/scd* is no longer used. 2.6.x kernels no longer use scsi emulation. Make sure you are using udev by running (you might need to do a 'urpmi udev' first) tom # service udev status udev is running [ OK ] if not, run 'service udev start' and try again. Then 'urpme devfs' and remove any devfs=mount statement from lilo.conf (or you can change it to devfs=nomount ) Then. X-CD-Roast seems to reckognise the burner as a burner but refuses to burn with it. Gnometoaster just give me the errormessage to do the scanbus. I suspect I am missing something somewhere, but I am not sure what...or maybe I do, it seems also that I have a append = hdc=ide-scsi in lilo.conf No, remove that from lilo.conf and run 'lilo' after all the above edits. as well, I am at a loss here /Anders Run 'cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus' You might see it recommended to use 'dev=ATAPI' but that is deprecated already. 'dev=ATA' is the more correct form. Eg, here's mine; tom # cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01-dvd (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling Note: This version is an unofficial (modified) version with DVD support Note: and therefore may have bugs that are not present in the original. Note: Please send bug reports or support requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Note: The author of cdrecord should not be bothered with problems in this version. scsidev: 'ATA' devname: 'ATA' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 # Warning: Using ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface. Use dev=ATA:X,Y,Z or dev=/dev/hdX # Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27 Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial libscg transport code version (warly-Mandrakelinux-scsi-linux-sg '@(#)scsi-linux-sg.c 1.83 04/05/20 Copyright 1997 J. Schilling'). scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'TEAC' 'DV-516E ' '3.01' Removable CD-ROM 1,1,0 101) 'PLEXTOR ' 'CD-R PREMIUM ' '1.05' Removable CD-ROM 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * Notice my burner is 1,1,0 So; cdrecord -v -eject speed=24 dev=ATA:1,1,0 ... is my basic form for burning CDr's. speed= can be omitted and your burner should try an use it's fastest speed, but I'd suggest you use 1/2 of the lesser; your burner's speed or the media you use. My burner is 52x, and I use 52x media, so I burn at 24x. Notice from the Warning: that I could also use the form 'dev=/dev/hdc' (burner is primary on the 2nd IDE channel). I'd recommend usin 'dev=ATA:X,Y,Z' You might also have somethin like this in /etc/modprobe.conf # This file is autogenerated from /etc/modules.conf using # generate-modprobe.conf command install scsi_hostadapter /sbin/modprobe sata_via; /bin/true You could have this if you'd done a fresh install. Since you upgraded you can try running 'generate-modprobe.conf' That will try to convert your existing modules.conf (2.4.x kernels) into a suitable modprobe.conf (2.6.x kernels). Backup your existing modprobe.conf first. Either way you might need a line like this with the appropriate driver for your burner. (Mine is 'sata_via' for an IDE/SATA combo VIA mobo). I'm not positive on this, as my SATA drive also uses SCSI emulation. IOW's, the modprobe.conf line above might not be needed on your system. So if you don't have it, try a test burn without it. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Do newest flat screen (non-LCD) monitors work on Mandrake?
On Friday 12 November 2004 05:40 pm, Wojciech Podgórni wrote: Hello everyone! I have a hardware question for you. My aunt is buying a Plug'n'Play flat screen monitor for her Mandrake 10.0 computer and I am worried if it would work on that system. The rest of the hardware is quite old - GeForce 256 DDR video card, old Pentium Celeron motherboard, slow processor (but much RAM), etc. The problem is that Mandrake hardware database is quite incomplete and it lacks some of the newer hardware. The question is: Is Mandrake going to work with the newer Plug'n'Play monitors such as SAMSUNG 17 - 793 DF ? Should I expect any problems? Thank you in advance for any answer. Wojciech Podgórni I have a Samsung 19 -191N. It works very well with either the generic LCD driver, or lately they (Xorg) added many Samsung vendor specific drivers. I'm also using it with a GeForce card, and the opensource 'nv' driver. I've had it quite a while, it's great! I'd say the only important item would be to run the monitor at it's 'native' (vendor suggested) resolution. For mine that's 1280x1024 @ 75Hz -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] libreadline.so.4 error
On Tuesday 02 November 2004 07:18 pm, Elliot Somers wrote: I am trying to install mdbtools-0.5-1.i386.rpm I am running mandrake 10.0. the error that came up was mdbtools-0.5-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libreadline.so.4) That it cannot install because it cannot find libreadline.so.4 I have the libreadline4 package installed in my system so I don't know what it's talking about. Any help I'd appreciate. Thanks, Elliot Dunno, you should have it. FWIW, this is on a 10.1 system tom $ rpm -q --whatprovides /lib/libreadline.so.4 libreadline4-4.3-7mdk You might try installing the devel package. It could be that on 10.0, the lib files were packaged separately in -devel tom # urpmi -y libreadline4 The following packages contain libreadline4: libreadline4 libreadline4-devel -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] User Agent
Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Monday 01 November 2004 10:40 pm, Tom Karen Pino wrote: snip Ok, so I use windoze (although I can't see why one would us IE). Why do you want to appear to use IE at all and 5 in particular? Tom Tom: The usual reason is that there are many websites which use the browser id string to determine if you are using IE or not; if you aren't, you are denied access. There are also others which restrict access to either IE or Netscape. Now, if you are 100 per cent linux, you are left with three choices: Lie to them, go somewhere else, or install Windows. Well, it turns out that the first choice is often quite effective because many other browsers can access many of those sites with no problems at all. Now -- who's the bigger liar here? Me, or the MS guy who convinced the website admin that he would have all sorts of problems if he allowed non-MS browsers to access his website? Banks, in particular, are among the worst offenders in this regard (but there are lots of other sites guilty of the same stupidity). Not to be all doom-and-gloom, I saw a report on the web within the past few days that there is a growing trend in the Windows community to move away from the crap MS browsers to Firefox and Mozilla. Perhaps that will force some of those dullhead webmins to rethink their stance. -- cmg I have no problem with lying to sites like that at all. I was just baffled by someone wanting to have people think the were using IE. I have used Netscape from the beginning on this machine. I found that if I updated (late 98 thru 2000) Win98, Netscape was screwed every time. IE is a crappy browser. MS is out to control the net. I have no personal need to go to sites that insist on IE so I don't. I find this solution very interesting. Thank you for explaining. Have fun, Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] cdrom busy....not umounting
On Sunday 31 October 2004 01:34 pm, Bill Winegarden wrote: Hi, I'm running LM10 Community on an Inspiron 9100. A fresh install is working 98%. However, the cdrom does not seem to want to let go of any cdrom once I view it's contents in Konq. As root, I get the error Does 'eject /dev/hdc' get the CD out? umount: /mnt/cdrom: device is busy This is the problem It seems that supermount may not be operating correctly. fstab follows /dev/hda5 / reiserfs notail,noatime 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto ~~ umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec 0 0 /dev/hda2 /mnt/win_c ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-1,ro 0 0 /dev/hda7 /mnt/win_d vfat umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda6 swap swap defaults 0 0 Does anything seem out of place? tia, Bill W. Did you try exiting from all konqueror instances first? You're _not_ using supermount. 'auto' in your fstab for this device means auto file system detection, not auto mount. Somethin is holding on to the device. Run 'lsof /mnt/cdrom' to find out. (You might have to 'urpmi lsof' first). If lsof just returns to a prompt, nothin is using /mnt/cdrom at that time. FWIW, I don't remember when 'magicdev' began, or whether 10.0 used it. See if '/usr/bin/magicdev' is present by running 'which magicdev'. I've had some intermittent problems with CD drives being 'busy', usually after somethin like ripping a DVD with dvd:rip. 'fam' (an xinitd process) is most often the culprit. Since it's not a separate service, you'll need to kill it's pid. It will still run again 'on request'. I hate to say it, but sometimes only a reboot will free the CD drive. Magic device in 10.1 is better, but still has occasional glitches like yours. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] What is mandrakelinux-release-10.1-1mdk.i586.rpm?
On Sunday 31 October 2004 02:49 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 31 October 2004 12:43 pm, Sevatio wrote: The only file in the 10.1 OE's update folder is: mandrakelinux-release-10.1-1mdk.i586.rpm. What is that rpm used for? To update the file /etc/mandrake-release To be more concise, it changes the word 'Community' to 'Official'. NBFD ;) tom $ cat /etc/mandrake-release Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Official) for i586 -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] User Agent
Derek Jennings wrote: On Monday 01 November 2004 17:08, Marc wrote: On Monday 01 November 2004 10:58 am, Derek Jennings wrote: On Monday 01 November 2004 16:53, Marc wrote: Does anyone here know how to modify the user agent ID in any of the popular browsers, Mozilla, Opera, Firefox or Konqueror to make things appear that I am using a Windoze machine running IE . I know that in most Linux browsere there is a quick easy way to change it in preferances but that seems to still leave some tell tale evidance at the end of the user agent string. I need to change things to appear EXACTLY as a windoze machine would. Thanks In advance Marc Opera - Hit F12 Firefox/Mozilla - Install the extension -User Agent Switcher Konqueror - SetupBrowser Identification derek Thanks Derek but that still leaves tell tale evidence that I am using a linux machine trying to pass it self off as a windoze machine at the end of the user agent string. I need to actually find the user agent and edit it to appear exactly as a windoze machine running IE. Marc The User Agent Switcher in Firefox allows you to define your own string. Doesn't that do what you need? Also I'm pretty sure you can customise konqueror's user agent strings. I'm kust not sure where that data is kept. derek Ok, so I use windoze (although I can't see why one would us IE). Why do you want to appear to use IE at all and 5 in particular? Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Parts
Hi all, I am going to start building a computer for linux. I have an old tower that I think will work (it may be too awkward). I would like some recommendations on components. Chipset? Sound card? Video card? Modem (dial up is what I need in this remote area)? Anything anyone can think of that would be helpful would be great. I want to make this as easy as I can on myself. Will probably get stuff on e-bay and anywhere else that I can find it cheap but want a machine that will not have problems with linux. Peripherals can wait. Thanx in advance, Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address
On Saturday 30 October 2004 03:50 pm, Amy wrote: Then I suppose it's time to bug the gmail team. Very weird though, considering it's let me select a blank field for the replyto address. Oh well, I'll bug them about it now. Thanks for checking for me though. ^_^ Well, I replied to the list just by replying to your post Amy. The Reply to: problem is not just the responsibility of the original poster. It is also the responsibility of those that reply, to do so properly. FWIW, I use Kmail and simply tapped the 'L' key to reply to the list. The 'R' key would've replied only to you Amy. If I chose to use a mail client without this simple feature, the responsibility to reply properly is still mine. Several replies stating: not fixed, still goes to Amy So that is both Amy's problem and those who don't properly reply. Complaints about top posting, lack of snipping, spam, and 'reply to' . only serve to generate more bandwith waste. Y'allsMMV -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address
On Sunday 31 October 2004 08:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 31 Oct 2004 14:04, Tom Brinkman wrote: FWIW, I use Kmail and simply tapped the 'L' key to reply to the list. The 'R' key would've replied only to you Amy. If I chose to use a mail client without this simple feature, the responsibility to reply properly is still mine. The fact that Mandrake mangle the reply-to makes us lazy ;-) Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 'L' key only work if you sort mail into folders and set the 'list' parameter in the folder properties? Anne No, keyboard tasks are the default. I don't sort mesg's by folder. If you look on the drop down menus on the tool bar, the keyboard commands for Message and Edit are shown for each item. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 02:42 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Thursday 28 October 2004 00:21, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Well H.J. my palm are WET. I know the feeling of messing around in /boot and lilo ! Right now I installed the 2.6.8.1-10 kernel, with no evident errors. But the camera still behaves like in the -12 kernel. So no go here. Next, I'll try to install the 2.4 kernel. Hopefully that'll change things to the better. Kaj Haulrich. Are you running devfs or udev? It should show at bootime if you're running devfs as udev will then be disabled. You can check anytime... tom # service udev status udev is running [ OK ] you can check for devfsd with 'service devfsd status' which will return a usage: warning. This means devfs is not being used. To be on the safe side, you can put 'devfs=nomount' in your bootloader (lilo's append line). -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 05:15 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: ..there's even smaller which fit on a credit card CD (50Mb) like the FreeSoftwareFoundation membership cardhint, hint, nudge, nudge! ;) Had one for years ;) BTW, did you get the (free to members) book the Free Software Foundation sent out recently, Free Culture? Interesting reading an I'm only about 10% into the book. For those that don't know what we're talking about, visit http://www.gnu.org/ and please consider becoming a Associate Member. Your MandrakeLinux is Linux (the kernel), but the rest of it (99%) is GNU software. They need your support just as much as the Mandrake Club does. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 02:00 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 19:16, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: Yes, and upgrade _should_ give you exactly the same end result as a clean install. There should be no difference other than the upgrade being faster (due to not having to reinstall packages that are already up to date). But history has shown repeatedly, at least for Mandrake, that this is _not_ true. Perhaps Stephen Kuhn, Hoyt Bailey, or others will pitch in here with their personal experiences (based upon which I have never even attempted a version upgrade, always a clean install). I also suspect the first response back from any bug report will be Have you tried a clean install of 10.1 Official? sigh You're probably right, but after 2 installs of it I just can't bring myself to start yet again - at least not just at this moment. Anne IIRC the only anomaly you reported Anne was cpufreq errors in boot logs. I meant to respond, sorry. I had the same. Cpufreq is used for laptops to control power usage and heat thru manipulating processor speed. On a desktop, just 'urpme cpufreq' As to the Digital camera kills MDK 10.1 deal, I don't have a USB camera (mine's serial), but I suspect the problem might be solved by tryin a different kernel. I believe Stew said much the same. I know reverting to 2.6.8.1-10 from -12mdk solved boot up problems checking (Reiser) FS's after I added an SATA drive into a mix of IDE drives a few weeks ago. With 2.6.8.1-12 the system went crazy, but all is well with -10mdk. I've got a hunch the 'camera' problem is similar. Just a suspicion tho -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 03:59 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: I know reverting to 2.6.8.1-10 from -12mdk solved boot up problems checking (Reiser) FS's after I added an SATA drive into a mix of IDE drives a few weeks ago. With 2.6.8.1-12 the system went crazy, but all is well with -10mdk. I've got a hunch the 'camera' problem is similar. Just a suspicion tho /snip Tom, do you have any idea as to where I can fetch kernel 2.6.8.1-10 ? -10mdk is the kernel that 10.1 CE was released with. So if you've got 10.1CE CD's you've got it. I went lookin for -10 on the mirrors, specifically 'kernel-source' but didn't find it. In my situation I'm still tryin to figure out why it makes such a difference with my SATA/IDE mix. Sorry, like I said, it's a hunch -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Comparing md5sums in 10.0
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 04:56 am, Adolfo Bello wrote: On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 10:18 +0100, John Richard Smith wrote: Then, making sure the CD you just burned isn't mounted: in terminal, dd if=/dev/scd0 bs=2048 count=n | md5sum - (note the - on the end, don't leave it off. change the /dev/scd0 to whatever device setting your drive is on your system. and where n is the number of sectors calculated above. All 3 md5sums should agree, ie, the published, your iso file, and the CD. If they don't agree you have either a duff write, or duff iso file. Hope this helps you, John `md5sum /dev/scd0` works fine here, no matter if the CD is mounted or not. Adolfo Yes, but in newer Mandrake versions the CD drives are seen as dev=ATA:0,0,0 I use 0,0,0 for example only, 'cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus' will return the actual numbers. The ATA device (burner) is linked to the numbers. EG, on my system dev=ATA:1,1,0 = /dev/hdd So 'md5sum /dev/hdd' returns the md5sum on the CD. BUT, it will not be correct unless you use the -dao option when burning the iso to CD. I burn on the CL using, 'cdrecord -v -eject driveropts=burnfree speed=16 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -dao name_of.iso' _Do_Not_ use options like -pad or -data. For speed I suggest 1/3 of the lesser capability, your burner or media speed. My Plextor is 52x, media is 52x, so I use speed=16 Actually I use an alias, alias biso='cdrecord -v -eject driveropts=burnfree speed=16 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -dao' So simply 'biso name_of.iso' does the job! ... and I always check the md5sum of the burned CD. As always, I disdain the use of GUI apps for burning any kind of CD's, but particularly for .iso images. Use the CL and you'll know exactly what is going on. Y'allsMMV ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] virus
Russell W. Behne wrote: Friday at 18:39, Tom Karen Pino wrote: To anyone this may concern, I received this notice from my ISP today. A message which was sent to you by Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been identified by our virus filter as being contaminated with a virus. For your protection, the original message has been placed into the greymail quarantine area. To review the text only portion of the message, you may log into your greymail area and click on the message(s) in red. I do not know that this has to do with Russell W. Behne, but I also get things that claim to come from me inspite of increased security at rangeweb and constant attention to security by my security guy (me) to virus and spyware crap (have never had a virus). The subject line is Re: Hello. SNIP Hi Tom, No, that message isn't from me. I never use the word `Hello' on the Subject: line. Someone obviously spoofed my email address. If you can bounce a copy to me I'd appreciate it. And if anyone knows how to find out who actually did it, and how to get even with them, I'd appreciate that too. Russ, I was sure that this was spoofing. Most of the crap that we get is. The perp probably gets the names from the archives. Sorry, I can't send a copy as the ISP will not even let me look at this stuff. The little I can see is also limited by my security system so I just delete the stuff. I, too, would love to know how to trace these things and perhaps send them a present. Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] virus
Russell W. Behne wrote: Saturday at 21:06, Randall D. Hobbs wrote: Yeah, you're right there. I've had people email me asking why I sent them a virus... I only had to say I'm running Linux, so I can't send you a virus. That and check out the headers - that's what tells the truth. I recently had about 10 viruses come into my inbox, and the funny thing is, they were all supposed to be FROM me TO me. Doing a little checking, I found out that one of my contacts had gotten a virus, and of course it was spoofing everything. What happens is, the virus raids their address book, and randomly sends out viruses to everyone in that address book, and it picks a random user from the address book to spoof from. It took all of about 30 seconds to figure out where it was coming from - I ended up going over to her office and cleaning up the system, and the emails disappeared. Funny how that works... How can you know exactly who it came from? I realize that such mostly comes from infected windoze boxes, and I'm thinking that someone out there who has my email in their address book has a virus which has been spoofing my address, like the one Tom Karen Pino got. The question is who? I would like to know this too. I keep getting things from our address and I know that it cannot be from this computer. We have to use a password that is changed regularly to send to the ISP. This is not kept on the computer as I am too paranoid. Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] virus
Tom Karen Pino wrote: Russell W. Behne wrote: Friday at 18:39, Tom Karen Pino wrote: To anyone this may concern, I received this notice from my ISP today. A message which was sent to you by Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been identified by our virus filter as being contaminated with a virus. For your protection, the original message has been placed into the greymail quarantine area. To review the text only portion of the message, you may log into your greymail area and click on the message(s) in red. I do not know that this has to do with Russell W. Behne, but I also get things that claim to come from me inspite of increased security at rangeweb and constant attention to security by my security guy (me) to virus and spyware crap (have never had a virus). The subject line is Re: Hello. SNIP Hi Tom, No, that message isn't from me. I never use the word `Hello' on the Subject: line. Someone obviously spoofed my email address. If you can bounce a copy to me I'd appreciate it. And if anyone knows how to find out who actually did it, and how to get even with them, I'd appreciate that too. Russ, I was sure that this was spoofing. Most of the crap that we get is. The perp probably gets the names from the archives. Sorry, I can't send a copy as the ISP will not even let me look at this stuff. The little I can see is also limited by my security system so I just delete the stuff. I, too, would love to know how to trace these things and perhaps send them a present. Tom I just got another one. Later I will call the ISP and see if I can get the thing forwarded here. Nothing that they will allow me to see is of any use. I just get a message that This message contains inline images or attachments, and can not be displayed from this interface. They will not forward virus containing messages to my inbox. Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] virus
Tom Karen Pino wrote: Russell W. Behne wrote: Hi Tom, No, that message isn't from me. I never use the word `Hello' on the Subject: line. Someone obviously spoofed my email address. If you can bounce a copy to me I'd appreciate it. And if anyone knows how to find out who actually did it, and how to get even with them, I'd appreciate that too. Russ, I was sure that this was spoofing. Most of the crap that we get is. The perp probably gets the names from the archives. Sorry, I can't send a copy as the ISP will not even let me look at this stuff. The little I can see is also limited by my security system so I just delete the stuff. I, too, would love to know how to trace these things and perhaps send them a present. Tom Called rangeweb.net. They may be able to forward this stuff but not from the help desk. I wasn't real thrilled at the idea of having on my machine anyway. I doubt that it would have caused me a problem. Tried to update virus protection and am already up to date with norton. I did, by the way, mention SPF and gave them the pobox address. Never heard of it (nor had I). Hopefully they will forward that to whomever needs to look at it. Sound good to me as far as my 10 minutes of looking goes. Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Security maniac ?
On Friday 22 October 2004 06:30 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: I just followed Tom's advice and upgraded to the present cooker, including the (separate) install of the new kernel. Everything seem to work perfectly. So, now I supposedly run the upcoming 10.1 Official - right ? Yes, and if you did it after last Thurs., you have a few updates. Now cooker hasn't unfrozen quite yet, but will soon. So delete your cooker sources and switch to 10.1 mirrors now. Just after that I received the usual alert from Mandrake about security updates. OK. But when comparing those update versions to my cooker versions, mine seems to be newer. Can anyone explain ? - Tom ? Kaj Haulrich. The newer files almost certainly have the security (and bug) fixes. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] dvd:rip - sound tracks
No problem using dvd:rip to rip and trancode DVD's to .avi files I can burn to CDr's. MOF, I'm surprised how well it all works, and the .avi CD's are near DVD sound and video quality. My question is about DVD's with multiple sound tracks. Ususally two in english, and one in french. Is there an easy way to tell before transcoding which english track is the movie sound track, and which is (usually) a track that describes the making, production of the movie? I invariably get it backwards and have to stop and transcode the other english track. For example, the DVD I'm rip/transcoding now has three tracks, 0: en - ac3 48000 6Ch, 1: fr - 48000 6Ch, and 2: en - ac3 48000 6Ch. When I started the transcoding process, I guessed that track 2: was the movie sound track. It was on a previous DVD I processed. But, a while into the transcode 2nd pass proccess, I used mplayer to preview what had been completed (about 80mb, 5%) of the .avi file created so far. Sure'nough, it was the commentary track. So I had to cancel and re-start trancoding using track 0: Two hours wasted again ;( -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] virus
Randall D. Hobbs wrote: On Friday 22 October 2004 07:39 pm, Tom Karen Pino wrote: A message which was sent to you by Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been identified by our virus filter as being contaminated with a virus. For your protection, the original message has been placed into the greymail quarantine area. To review the text only portion of the message, you may log into your greymail area and click on the message(s) in red. I do not know that this has to do with Russell W. Behne, but I also get things that claim to come from me inspite of increased security at rangeweb and constant attention to security by my security guy (me) to virus and spyware crap (have never had a virus). The subject line is Re: Hello. I am surely not trying to cast any doubt on anyone here. I do think that this my be something that would need the attention of everyone on the list. This may be a breach of security at my ISP. I am not calling them this weekend. Have been sorting cattle for shipment all day and ship tomorow and Tuesday. Am not up to interigation. Decided I did need to send this to you good folks, though. By the way, got an e-mail from my son today from his Linux machine. He will probably be inflicting himself on you directly. I he is happy with his machine, mine will be heading that way very soon. Hi Tom. I wouldn't seriously worry about it - lots of these viruses nowdays are spoofing their from addresses anyway, and trying to track down the real culprit isn't always easy. The best thing to do is to keep YOUR machines updated (if you're on Windows, install adequate virus protection and don't intentionally open any attachment that comes through, even if it shows to be someone you trust), and if you're having doubts about the integrity of your own machine, then go the extra mile to make sure it's not. If you're wondering about someone elses PC, well, let them take care of that - it's their problem (someone will let them know about it sooner or later, and it'll no doubt be someone who has a little more time on their hands). Most of us on this list run strictly Linux, or at least a dual boot system where they hide out in Linux as often as they can, learning it as they go. I myself have been on nothing but Linux for the past 5 years or so (except for one of my systems at work which I'm required to run XP on, but hey, if it was easy then it wouldn't be work), and frankly, viruses don't even catch a second look from me. Give it some time - I'm sure you and your son will be the same way... I keep getting things from [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am well aware that I did not send this and so assume that a lot of the spam I get is from a bogus adress. We bought this computer, our first, 6 years ago. I have files, saved through reformatting, from 3 months in to working with Win98. My experience prior to that was with just DOS machines. I realize that all Windaze dose is to work dos for you. A rather silly thing if you ask me. That said, I must say, that I have not been tempted to upgrade to a newer Win version. I abelong to a Win list and have come to the conclusion that 98, maybe 98SE, are the pinacle of Win developement. I would like a newer computer that is a bit faster but 98 is doing the job. When we do it will be linux. My son, poor guy, decided that he needed to improve and so went to 2000 and ME (I think that ME was to convince people that they needed XP). He wants nothing to do with Windoze what so ever. He still does have an ME machine but I got email from him off his linux machine (kmail). He did not get his system straightened out throught the information that I ineptly got from this list but he did find some other resourses on his computer (documentation) that has helped greatly that he found through some of the (undoubtedly grabled) info that I tried to give him over the phone. He has been rooting through your archives also. Seems to think that there is good stuff there. I have had the guts to try Mandrake Move. Yes had to change my bios settings to boot from the CD. Was impressed with the speed working off a CD. I do have a 3 CD version (download I think of 9.2) and have a some what older machine that needs only a couple of things to work that may well get that loaded on to it in the next few months. Back to the virus stuff. I just seent that in because I thought that it was information that someone may want. I have never had a virus because we do not have our adress all over the web and I had Norton system Works installed when we bought this thing and I keep it updated and actually run it. We also have Spybot Search and Destroy. Between that and not installing MS Outlook and using Netscape 7.1 with fairly high security settings, we seem to do all right. Our ISP seems to have a good filter too which is a fairly new development. The biggest security risk we have is a 13 year old with the normal lack of descretion in where he goes
Re: [newbie] Where have all the kernel source gone ?
On Thursday 21 October 2004 05:32 pm, Margot wrote: Dan Gordon wrote: On October 21, 2004 05:19 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Yes, Dan. Go to easyurpmi.zarb.org and get some cooker sources. There you will find 2.6.8.1-12mdk and its source rpm. This will be in 10.1 Official, I believe. Anne Ahh ok I never thought to look on cooker, silly me ;-) But wont that put 10.1 into a cooked sorta state, I dont wana wreck things too quick. Thanks Anne Regards, Dan Gordon Dan Anne, Up until yesterday, cooker was the correct place to find 10.1 updates, but (as per Warly's message about 12 hours ago) the 10.1 Community mirrors now carry the updates for 10.1 Community. Don't use the cooker sources any more unless you want to end up running cooker! You can still get away with updating 10.1 CE to Official using a cooker mirror. Probly for a few more days to a week. Yes, there's been a few updates past 10.1 OE on the mirrors (yesterday) but they were minor. IIRC, kdepim*, lm_sensors, and a few minor packages. Most likely updates that will be available for 10.1 OE anyhow. BUT, do it _now_! Cooker will unfreeze and begin 10.2 development shortly. As to Dan's misgivings, using 2.6.8.1-12 kernel and kernel-source from a cooker mirror will not pose a problem on a 10.1 system. This kernel has been in use for quite some time and is well tested. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] virus
To anyone this may concern, I received this notice from my ISP today. A message which was sent to you by Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been identified by our virus filter as being contaminated with a virus. For your protection, the original message has been placed into the greymail quarantine area. To review the text only portion of the message, you may log into your greymail area and click on the message(s) in red. I do not know that this has to do with Russell W. Behne, but I also get things that claim to come from me inspite of increased security at rangeweb and constant attention to security by my security guy (me) to virus and spyware crap (have never had a virus). The subject line is Re: Hello. I am surely not trying to cast any doubt on anyone here. I do think that this my be something that would need the attention of everyone on the list. This may be a breach of security at my ISP. I am not calling them this weekend. Have been sorting cattle for shipment all day and ship tomorow and Tuesday. Am not up to interigation. Decided I did need to send this to you good folks, though. By the way, got an e-mail from my son today from his Linux machine. He will probably be inflicting himself on you directly. I he is happy with his machine, mine will be heading that way very soon. Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Problem with my web site
Bryan, I know absolutely nothing about this. Thought that you may like the information that I use Netscape 7.1 on a Win98 system and have the same result as you describe. Tom Bryan Phinney wrote: I have just noticed a very troublesome problem with my web site and was hoping that someone here could point me in the right direction. I am using Postnuke CMS version .750 Gold, MySQL server and PHP 4.3.8. The site displays in IE, Opera fine but whenever I hit it from a Mozilla browser, including Firefox, Mozilla or Netscape, I get a really strange corrupted display. Another interesting item, if you go to the site as the root site using http://kislinux.org/ You get the corrupted display within Mozilla. If you go to http://kislinux.org/linux/ which is an alias for the same directory, the site comes up just fine. It is really bugging the crap out of me. If anyone uses php, apache, and wants to take a look and make suggestions, I am all ears and would really appreciate the help. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [URGENT]OpenGl
On Friday 08 October 2004 10:25 am, Derek Jennings wrote: On Friday 08 October 2004 16:09, Sevatio wrote: Derek Jennings wrote: On Friday 08 October 2004 05:39, Kassem Nasser wrote: Hi all , I am using currently Mandrake10.0 and I was trying to run an OpenGL program when I got the following error: Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0 And by the way anybody knows any mailinglist specific for OpenGL. Can any body help me out Best Regards, It means that the GLX module is not loaded. There are a number of reasons why this might be. 1/ You are using a video driver that does not support GLX such as 'vesa'. 2/ You have a GLX capable video driver such as 'nv', but GLX is disabled in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file (Look to see if the line Load glx is commented out ) 3/ You have GLX enabled but it is the wrong library. For example if you are using the closed source 'nvidia' driver you must also be using the Nvidia GLX module too. What to do :- Look at the log file /var/log/XFree86.0.log it will tell you precisely which modules loaded and why anything failed. Tell us which driver you are using. It will be listed in the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 in the Device section. The glx module should be listed in the module section. Tell us what video card you have. derek What's the line one should use so that it loads the nvidia glx driver Load /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so but first the nvidia driver has to be downloaded and compiled if you have not already done so. Also the nvidia glx driver has to match the release number of the nvidia kernel module. So your video card is Nvidia? derek The proprietary 'nvidia' driver is _not_ needed for OpenGL support. The GPL 'nv' driver actually has better GL* support. I have a GeF4 usin the 'nv' driver. Usually the problem is that the line Load glx has been commented out (ie, disabled) in whatever XF86config file the system is usin. Removing the '#' from the line and re-starting X should fix this if the hardware supports GLX. tom $ glxinfo name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: No server glx vendor string: SGI server glx version string: 1.2 server glx extensions: GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig client glx vendor string: SGI client glx version string: 1.4 client glx extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory, GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_OML_sync_control, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group GLX extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.1) OpenGL extensions: GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_point_sprite, GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_shadow_ambient, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, GL_EXT_blend_logic_op, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint, GL_EXT_copy_texture, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_point_parameters, GL_EXT_polygon_offset, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shadow_funcs, GL_EXT_stencil_two_side, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_subtexture, GL_EXT_texture, GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_rectangle, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_APPLE_packed_pixels, GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once, GL_ATIX_texture_env_combine3, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_INGR_blend_func_separate, GL_MESA_pack_invert, GL_MESA_ycbcr_texture, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_point_sprite, GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_border_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10.1 Isos
On Wednesday 06 October 2004 05:31 am, Alexander Ruoff wrote: I have a problem with the Iso-Images I have for 10.1. I downloaded them with Linux and burned them with K3B. However, when updating the 2nd CD failed. First I thought that it must be something related to the update from 10.0 to 10.1 and made a clean install but than the 2nd as well as the 3rd CD failed. I downloaded two new Isos with Windows and burned them with Nero, but again, the 2nd CD failed. I managed to install 10.1 nicely within a couple of hours installing everything via urpmi (it was fun even though time consuming due to the fact that I needed gcc to compile the 855wrap and had to remember all the names of the software I wanted). Anyway, I still want to find out why those Isos I made didn't work or if this problem happened to some other people as well? Regards Alex In the directory you d/l'd the iso's to, run 'md5sum -c name_of_the_md5sum.asc'. You did also d/l the md5sum file right? If that's OK's the d/l'd iso's, after burning check with 'md5sum /dev/hdc' (assuming hdc is your cdrom). If the md5sums then don't match, you have a problem burn**. Most likely asscociated with the GUI you used (k3b). **If you have a separate Cdrom and burner, try checking (and installing) from the burner. They are often better readers than CDroms, DVDroms. Don't use a CD-RW, use CD-R media. Windoze apps like Nero, and Linux GUI's like k3b often corrupt the iso by misuse of cdrecord parameters. If you suspect this, then burn the iso file with somethin like 'cdrecord -v -eject driveropts=burnfree speed=16 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -dao Name_of_file.iso'on the command line. You'll probly have to adjust your speed and dev from mine. The most important bit is -dao. Do not use parameters like -data or -pad. Bottom line is until you get the iso's to match md5sum before and _AFTER_ burning ... you don't know if you have bonafide CD's. If you still have an install problem, hopefully it'll be fixed by 10.1 Official ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 mouse lockup
Sorry about the HTML. Just reformatted and for got to change from the default (send in both). Tom Tom Karen Pino wrote: This all sounds interesting. There are a couple of problems. Many of these problems are due to my ignerce. As in what is urpmi? I looked that up and am now really confused. However, Lorin seems to get something out of the fine info I am gleaning from you fine folks. This last caused confusion to both of us. Lorin has the advantage of a linux system (even if it doesn't seem to work right). He has installed rpm drake which sounds handy. He looked up gpm and rpm and seemed to understand that. It seems that the libgpm stuff was not installed because of a failure to auto detect his mouse. He thinks that he got it installed. The mouse still does not work and he seems to have screwed up the number key pad being used as the moving force for his cursor. He can figure that out I am sure. I do not think that the urpmi stuff will help him yet as he is not online as the modem has not been detected either and he wants to figure out the mouse problem first. I went to the easy urpmi site and can't understand what they ae talking about. Remember that I am using Win98 (be kind). What the devil do they mean by type this in a console (I can wrap my brain around the as root part). Console? Lorin is also getting a notice on loading that loading default keymap failed. Does this have anything to do with the mouse problem or is it some other problem altogether? Your in ignerce, Tom Dennis Myers wrote: On Wednesday 22 September 2004 09:20 pm, Tom Karen Pino wrote: Hi All, Update on mouse problem. He reinstalled the system. Now the menu that drakconf brings up works. The mouse does not. Has error message. While loading shared library: libgpm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory. What does he do now? Just call us ignernt, Tom try installing the gpm rpm and associated libraries . Urpmi should do it for you. HTH : ) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT Apologys
aron, I currently am using nothing but macroshaft. I use 98 and have a Display adapter that is Intel 740. It is listed on the disc for 98 and NT. It allows for the higher resolution on my machine. Do not know if it is compatible with 2000. If you think it would be, email me and I will send you the file. It is a shock when I reformat and have to start up on the wonderful default stuff that comes with 98. Just about enough to make your eyes bleed until this "adapter" is installed. The best I can do then is 640 x 480. Tom aron Smith wrote: On Wednesday 22 September 2004 11:20 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote: On Wednesday 22 September 2004 9:22 pm, aron Smith wrote: Hate to bring it up but i have another system dual booting Mandrake 10.0 and windows 2000 the display 180 X 1024 in linux is great (jetway 17 LC monitor) the best resolution I can get in Win$ux is 800 X600 is there a Generaic driver out there I can use ? If so what is the name so I can chase it down? I hate to say it, but there is one known solution to all Windoze problems. As root type rm -Rf "Winsnooze partition" replacing Winsnooze Partition with the actual folder it is mounted in. :-) Couldn't resist. Feel that way myself but need winblows for my gps Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 mouse lockup
This all sounds interesting. There are a couple of problems. Many of these problems are due to my ignerce. As in what is urpmi? I looked that up and am now really confused. However, Lorin seems to get something out of the fine info I am gleaning from you fine folks. This last caused confusion to both of us. Lorin has the advantage of a linux system (even if it doesn't seem to work right). He has installed "rpm drake" which sounds handy. He looked up gpm and rpm and seemed to understand that. It seems that the libgpm stuff was not installed because of a failure to auto detect his mouse. He thinks that he got it installed. The mouse still does not work and he seems to have screwed up the number key pad being used as the moving force for his cursor. He can figure that out I am sure. I do not think that the urpmi stuff will help him yet as he is not online as the modem has not been detected either and he wants to figure out the mouse problem first. I went to the "easy urpmi" site and can't understand what they ae talking about. Remember that I am using Win98 (be kind). What the devil do they mean by "type this in a console" (I can wrap my brain around the "as root" part). Console? Lorin is also getting a notice on loading that "loading default keymap failed". Does this have anything to do with the mouse problem or is it some other problem altogether? Your in ignerce, Tom Dennis Myers wrote: On Wednesday 22 September 2004 09:20 pm, Tom Karen Pino wrote: Hi All, Update on mouse problem. He reinstalled the system. Now the menu that drakconf brings up works. The mouse does not. Has error message. While loading shared library: libgpm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory. What does he do now? Just call us ignernt, Tom try installing the gpm rpm and associated libraries . Urpmi should do it for you. HTH : ) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 mouse lockup
Hi All, Update on mouse problem. He reinstalled the system. Now the menu that drakconf brings up works. The mouse does not. Has error message. While loading shared library: libgpm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory. What does he do now? Just call us ignernt, Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10.1 community on bittorrent = slow
On Monday 20 September 2004 09:04 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 20 September 2004 07:05 pm, Scott Mazur wrote: The ISOs could be distributed to many more reliable mirrors where highband width is a planned feature easily accomodated. and extremely expensive. Yes, prohibitively so. Fact is, for those that don't have highspeed connections or don't wanna fool with the torrents Websites like cheapbytes and others do, and they're some of the first to grab the CD's. EG, Cheapbytes has 10.1 CE 5 CD sets available right now. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 mouse lockup
Frans, This is what he did and got no response at all. Tom Frans Ketelaars wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 07:01, Tom Karen Pino wrote: Brian, Called Lorin and he gave this a try. He got to the menu and could not get any of it to work with the enter key or a number of other key strokes (linux commands, I assume). I assume that this means that the install of his 9.1 is screwy in some way and he should reinstall. If this assumption is correct and I am not having a MS moment, should he reformate his HD or just reload? Or is there something else that we are over looking here? He really liked that menu. Too bad it won't work. Tom Brian Parish wrote: On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 09:42, Tom Karen Pino wrote: Welcome Tom, Can't provide you with exact settings for this mouse, but have him try this: At the boot manager prompt (I assume he's installed with lilo), press Esc to get the boot prompt, then type: linux init 3 That will boot the machine without starting X - i.e. command line only. Login as root and then type: drakconf That will produce a menu including mouse selection - probably under hardware. It's been a while since both 9.1 and using this interface for me, so I'm unable to be more specific. Hopefully that will at least get a start on fixing the problem. HTH Brian You can select the mouse configuration with the up and down arrow keys. The tab key lets you then select 'OK' or 'cancel'. If 'OK' is highlighted you can press 'enter' and you should at least get a bit further. Good luck! -Frans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 mouse lockup
Brian, Called Lorin and he gave this a try. He got to the menu and could not get any of it to work with the enter key or a number of other key strokes (linux commands, I assume). I assume that this means that the install of his 9.1 is screwy in some way and he should reinstall. If this assumption is correct and I am not having a MS moment, should he reformate his HD or just reload? Or is there something else that we are over looking here? He really liked that menu. Too bad it won't work. Tom Brian Parish wrote: On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 09:42, Tom Karen Pino wrote: Welcome Tom, Can't provide you with exact settings for this mouse, but have him try this: At the boot manager prompt (I assume he's installed with lilo), press Esc to get the boot prompt, then type: linux init 3 That will boot the machine without starting X - i.e. command line only. Login as root and then type: drakconf That will produce a menu including mouse selection - probably under hardware. It's been a while since both 9.1 and using this interface for me, so I'm unable to be more specific. Hopefully that will at least get a start on fixing the problem. HTH Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 mouse lockup
Marc, Called him this evening and he tried this - no luck. We were hoping it would work as it is simple but this way it will be more educational. Tom Marc wrote: I had similar problems with 10.0 and I think the problem may have also been there on 9.1 and 9.2, can't remember for shure that was a while ago. I found that if I did not move the mouse at all from the time bootup started until the login screen was fully displayed the problem would not appear at all if I did move the mouse to soon the problem would be intermittant. I don't know if that will work for your son but it is so easy it is worth a try. Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
