On 21/08/12 13:59, Branko Čibej wrote:
On 21.08.2012 12:52, sebb wrote:
I think the NOTICE problems are serious enough to warrant a respin.
This is an unreasonable request. The IPMC voted on the 3.4.0 release.
The notice file has not changed between 3.4.0 and 3.4.1. How then do you
justify
On 21/08/12 15:24, Rob Weir wrote:
[...]
A suggested exercise at ApacheCon. Get a group of 20 Members, break
them into groups of 5. Give each group an identical list of 3rd party
dependencies and ask them to create a NOTICE file that expresses them.
Give them 30 minutes. Compare the
On 15/11/11 03:22, Benson Margulies wrote:
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:20 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 November 2011 02:12, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
That page is very misleading, and there was a long discussion of this
topic elsewhere.
Look at the example just
On 16/11/11 16:39, sebb wrote:
On 16 November 2011 14:32, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote:
On 15/11/11 03:22, Benson Margulies wrote:
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:20 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 November 2011 02:12, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
That page is very
Hi all,
I just deleted the old webspace for UIMA on people, following
the instructions: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel
I noticed that quite a few graduated projects still have a
copy of their website on people, although they redirect
traffic to their new top-level
J Aaron Farr wrote:
On Fri 21 Aug 2009 14:58, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
What do people think about changing the poddling release voting
process so that there is just a single vote which is held on the
poddlings dev list instead of the dual voting we have now with a
poddling dev
Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph Goersralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Using these projects as an example is perhaps not the best from a community
perspective because Ceki has no intention of running them like Apache
projects. But even if he did, by these
Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:01 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, that brings up the question whether these three votes are sufficient.
I can add +1, with the proviso that the (C) year must be corrected for
the next release.
I don't know if my +1 counts though.
Alexander Veit wrote:
Dear all,
I would like to start an incubator project at the Apache Software Foundation
with a Java library (let's call it Jaffre) I've written.
Jaffre is a lightweight RPC library for the Java platform.
It is designed to be simple, extensible, robust, and efficient
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
We should probably try to find the collective energy to review UIMA
before the project's enthusiasm is sapped.
That sounds like a healthy observation. My Q for the community
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote:
snip reason=user community reported healthy /
My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no
problems with open source
Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be
considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors and
the Community as a whole.
I'm not a mentor
sasaboy wrote:
Dear all,
we are hosting Enhydra Shark workflow engine project on ObjectWeb
(http://shark.objectweb.org/) and would like to move it to Apache.
We would like to start an incubator project at ASF. How should we proceed?
As we read, the candidate project should be approved by a
David Crossley wrote:
Author: twgoetz
Date: Wed Dec 3 02:10:44 2008
New Revision: 722831
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=722831view=rev
Log:
Update status: new committers Tong and Jerry
Modified:
incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects/uima.xml
People seem to be forgetting to
Jörg Reiher wrote:
Hello,
I've got the following questions regarding the KEYS file and the md5+sha hashes for a release:
There is actually a KEYS file located at
http://people.apache.org/~reiher/Empire-db-incubating/KEYS
Is there something wrong with it or do we have to put it in any other
Hi César,
Apache already hosts a couple of text related projects where your
proposal might fit in. Mahout is a project for machine learning
on Hadoop, and I think they already have text categorization.
Another text related project is UIMA, which could also use a text
categorizer. Not sure if
Noah,
here's a list of the IPMC members:
http://incubator.apache.org/whoweare.html
It's not always up to date, so there can be false
negatives, but you can safely assume that whoever
is listed there has a binding vote. Both Gianugo
and Ant are on the list :-)
--Thilo
Noah Slater wrote:
On
Luciano Resende wrote:
The binary distributions, both windows and linux, have the
com.ibm.icu_3.6.1.v20070906.jar in the plugins directory and the
about_files/license.html from the ICU jar mention the following :
ICU License - ICU 1.8.1 and later
COPYRIGHT AND PERMISSION NOTICE
Copyright (c)
Folks,
this is just a small hotfix. Could some kind
IPMC souls please take a look? Thanks!
--Thilo
Michael Baessler wrote:
The Apache UIMA committers ask the Apache Incubator PMC for permission to
publish a
hotfix for the UIMA core release v2.2.2-incubating.
The hotfix release fp1
Jörn Kottmann wrote:
Hello,
the Cas Editor is a text annotation tool which supports manual and
automatic
annotation of CAS files. It is now ready for its first release.
Please review and vote for releasing the Apache Uima Cas Editor-2.2.2-02.
The release artifacts and the rat reports can be
I would start by asking on the general
Apache DB mailing list: http://db.apache.org/mail.html.
--Thilo
Rainer Döbele wrote:
Hello everyone,
We would like to donate our relational data persistence component called
Empire-db to the apache software foundation. According to the Incubator
Craig L Russell wrote:
On May 15, 2008, at 4:34 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Brett Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
2008/5/15 Robert Burrell Donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It would be possible to create an incubator only repository in a
subdirectory
Edward J. Yoon wrote:
[...]
== Core Developers ==
The initial set of committers includes folks from the
[http://hadoop.apache.org Hadoop] [http://hadoop.apache.org/hbase
Hbase] communities. We have varying degrees of experience with
Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to
Edward J. Yoon wrote:
Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
they can just ask to become IPMC members.
Oh... Thank you for your advice.
Then, Should we ask to become IPMC members before mentoring and delay the
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
The time people have to spend chasing bugs because someone doesn't
have the right version on the classpath (or possibly multiple versions
without knowing it) can be better spent on solving actual bugs,
writing documentation or implementing new features.
Or by reviewing
Hi Niall,
Niall Pemberton wrote:
Firstly, I'm +1 on this release. I have a few minor
comments/suggestions which you may want to consider for the next
release (or not!)
1) Theres a parent pom for apache which if you make the parent of the
uimaj pom means you don't have to duplicate the license
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Monday 21 April 2008 17:46, Paul Fremantle wrote:
the mentors to be the
primary contacts for any podling.
+1. With 3 active mentors, you practically need no other PMC members to wake
up (let me sleep ;o) ). If you don't have 3 active mentors, then that IS a
problem
Folks, just a quick reminder that this vote is still
open. Please vote if you can find the time to look
at our release. Thanks.
--Thilo
Michael Baessler wrote:
The Apache UIMA committers ask the Apache Incubator PMC for permission to
publish a new bug fix
release of Apache UIMA version
The proposal guide is here:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html
One way to find a champion is to start writing your
proposal on the incubator wiki, and notifying this
list. As people understand what it is you want to
do, they may step up to the task. Starting the
proposal on the
Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
I reviewed the submitted project reports for April. I'm not sure if
people are actively following the page or the diffs, so here's a
summary of my review.
OK:
* CouchDB
* PDFBox (I'm a mentor)
* Tika (I'm a mentor)
OK with comments:
* CXF - Good luck for the TLP!
*
Angela Cymbalak wrote:
Hi,
I am looking into the possibility of writing a proposal to have some
code included as a podling within the Incubator project. I have been
reading the Incubator Web site and I believe that I have a pretty good
idea of what I would need to do if I wanted to
Craig L Russell wrote:
2008-April JSPWiki Incubator status report
JSPWiki has been incubating since September 2007.
JSPWiki is a JSP-based wiki program.
During the past three months since our last report, the JSPWiki
community has
grown nicely. Currently over 120 people are monitoring the
sebb wrote:
On 11/04/2008, Thilo Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sebb wrote:
The SVN tag
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/uima/uimaj/tags/uimaj-2.2.2/uimaj-2.2.2-05
has lots of missing SVN eol-style settings. See the file
uimaj-2.2.2-05.sh
in
http://people.apache.org/~sebb
Daniel Kulp wrote:
On Friday 11 April 2008, Adam Lally wrote:
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:10 AM, sebb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/04/2008, Michael Baessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sebb wrote:
Problem building uimaj:
1) javax.activation:activation:jar:1.0.2
Unfortunately only
Daniel Kulp wrote:
On Friday 11 April 2008, Thilo Goetz wrote:
Indeed, but see also:
http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html#https-svn-config
These conventions are generally used by Java projects, e.g. all of
Commons.
Yes, and they don't work for us, as I pointed out earlier
sebb wrote:
On 11/04/2008, Thilo Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
True. We try to avoid that ;-). Although most of us work on windows,
we use unix style eol chars for all source code.
That probably annoys the Mac Users...
We have Mac users (and developers), and they haven't
sebb wrote:
On 11/04/2008, Thilo Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Daniel Kulp wrote:
On Friday 11 April 2008, Thilo Goetz wrote:
Indeed, but see also:
http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html#https-svn-config
These conventions are generally used by Java projects, e.g. all of
Commons
Daniel Kulp wrote:
Actually, there is a reverse issue It also makes it quite
difficult for people to help with UIMA if they are also contributors to
other projects that DO use the normal svn settings, Eclipse or not.
For example, lets pretend for a moment that I'm a Windows user that
I added the April board reports page on the wiki
since I wanted to add the UIMA report. According
to the usual schedule, the reports were due 4/9.
I suspect that this date is not correct because of
ApacheCon EU? Somebody may want to go in and
correct the date.
--Thilo
sebb wrote:
The SVN tag
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/uima/uimaj/tags/uimaj-2.2.2/uimaj-2.2.2-05
has lots of missing SVN eol-style settings. See the file
uimaj-2.2.2-05.sh
in
http://people.apache.org/~sebb/SVNfixes/
This should probably be applied to trunk as well ...
Matthieu Riou wrote:
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Robert Greig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I think this is an important topic for future incubator project groups
to have clarified.
The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there
are at
least 3 legally independent
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Endre Stølsvik wrote:
Thilo Goetz wrote:
Make it absolutely clear that the diversity of the community
will be judged by the IPMC based on the overall conduct of
the project, mailing list, commit activity etc.
I'm not sure that diversity and conduct are really mapping
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Thilo Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
UIMA currently ships the KEYS file as part of
its distributions. I found one other Apache
project (Derby) that also does. The others
that I checked, don't (random sample of what
I had
Hi,
UIMA currently ships the KEYS file as part of
its distributions. I found one other Apache
project (Derby) that also does. The others
that I checked, don't (random sample of what
I had on my hard drive).
I would assume that putting the KEYS file in
the distribution is at best not
Jukka Zitting wrote:
Incubator PMC,
Please vote on accepting the PDFBox project for incubation. The full
PDFBox proposal is available at the end of this message and as a wiki
page at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PDFBoxProposal. We ask the
Incubator PMC to sponsor the PDFBox podling, with
sebb wrote:
On 18/12/2007, Michael Baessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
On Dec 18, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Dec 18, 2007 10:37 AM, ant elder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...So it is a new requirement and I don't think we should be making
up policy
during a
Luciano Resende wrote:
I guess, from the Incubator release management guide, the requirement
is that the release can be built from a tag, in a later point in
time...
All releases should be built from a tag. It is occasionally necessary
to rebuild releases many years later. Tagging is cheap
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Marshall Schor wrote:
We've put the LICENSE, NOTICES, and DISCLAIMERs into the top directory
of the source (and binary) distribution(s), but didn't realize this also
needs to be in the top level of the SVN tag, because we didn't know that
was considered part of the
sebb wrote:
On 15/12/2007, Jean T. Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sebb wrote:
[Eventually found the KEYS file in SVN, but it might be helpful to
provide a pointer in the vote mails]
yeah, I went to their website and followed the link from there.
So did I.
The NOTICE file in
sebb wrote:
[Eventually found the KEYS file in SVN, but it might be helpful to
provide a pointer in the vote mails]
Good point, will do next time.
[...]
There are some problems with the MD5 and SHA1 files.
For example, uimaj-2.2.1-incubating-bin.tar.bz2.md5:
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Dec 17, 2007 10:09 AM, Thilo Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Marshall Schor wrote:
We've put the LICENSE, NOTICES, and DISCLAIMERs into the top directory
of the source (and binary) distribution(s), but didn't realize this also
needs
sebb wrote:
[...]
Maven can generate the MD5 and SHA1 checksums itself; no need for a
separate tool.
I'm not familiar with Maven, so I don't know the commands off-hand,
but I can probably find them.
Maybe it can, but I was unable to figure out how.
We need to create checksums for the
Kevan Miller wrote:
On Dec 17, 2007, at 4:09 AM, Thilo Goetz wrote:
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Marshall Schor wrote:
We've put the LICENSE, NOTICES, and DISCLAIMERs into the top directory
of the source (and binary) distribution(s), but didn't realize this
also
needs to be in the top
+1 (non-binding)
I ran RAT 0.5.1 on it, and it looks fine.
Note to Robert: RAT seems to get confused by file
names ending in *.lib.cpp (treats them as binary).
I'll submit a patch when RAT starts incubation... :-)
--Thilo
Martin Sebor wrote:
Has anyone had a chance to review this release? Did
Paul,
sorry, wrong list. Please try the ftpserver-dev list, I'm sure
they can help you.
I notice that the ftp server mailing list page lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]
without explaining what that mailing list is:
http://incubator.apache.org/ftpserver/mailing-lists.html
Maybe a little more text there
Leo Simons wrote:
On Oct 7, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Matthieu Riou wrote:
IIRC what's been done for Agila, it's roughly:
snip/
So...for the archives...
How to put an incubator podling to sleep
* decide the project is going dormant, usually on the dev
Robert,
this is great, thanks. I don't want to muddy the
waters, but is it time to bring up the maven repo
question again as well? If incubator releases *are*
official releases, is there a reason not to upload
maven artifacts to the central repository?
--Thilo
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
[...]
b) I can't say that I understand the technical merits of the proposal, and
just see the headline analyzing large data sets. And I would like to know
the relationship with UIMA's statement ... analyze large volumes of
unstructured information... and hear whether
The UIMA developers ask the Incubator PMC for permission to
publish a new release of UIMA, the second in the incubator.
This release contains many incremental changes and
improvements, please see the release notes for an exhaustive
list.
We held a vote on uima-dev that resulted in 5 binding +1s
Annette,
see
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/lists.html#general+at+incubator.apache.org
on how to subscribe. Briefly, send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--Thilo
Annette Keenleyside wrote:
Please subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the above mailing list.
Regards,
Annette M. Keenleyside
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
On 7/11/07, Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seriously, this is a responsibility of the project to remember. Once
the project graduates, they'll have to still make periodic board reports
so they really need to get used to remembering.
Fortunately, once you have
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
On 6/6/07, Thilo Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was looking at the reporting schedule to see if UIMA needs to report
(we don't),
and saw that recent graduates OpenJPA and Wicket were still listed; so
I removed them.
With just one tiny little technical issue: Wicket
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
It's that time again. :-) Please start preparing and submitting your board
reports.
--- Noel
I was looking at the reporting schedule to see if UIMA needs to report (we
don't),
and saw that recent graduates OpenJPA and Wicket were still listed; so I
removed
Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On 5/7/07, Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, after hearing PDFBox mentioned many times last week, I thought it
might be a good idea to ask around inside a wider area to see how the
ASF is potentially interested in adopting PDFBox among its projects.
At
Leo Simons wrote:
On Apr 15, 2007, at 7:23 AM, Thilo Goetz wrote:
Jukka Zitting wrote:
...
PS. The TripleSoup and UIMA reports are missing the incubating since
information.
I have added this information for UIMA.
I added for TripleSoup and provided the specific date for UIMA.
/LSD
Jukka Zitting wrote:
...
PS. The TripleSoup and UIMA reports are missing the incubating since
information.
I have added this information for UIMA.
--Thilo
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
Also, the whole idea of the Incubator is to
withhold releases from the general public.
Just to clarify - I don't think 'withhold' is a good description.
Release - but with no specific expectation of persistence at the
ASF is probably a
+1
Adam Lally wrote:
After correcting some issues in our last release candidate (thanks to
Jean Anderson for finding these), the Apache UIMA community has again
voted to release version
2.1.0-incubating. We would now like to ask the Incubator PMC to
approve this release.
The issues that were
+1 (non-binding)
Sounds like a very interesting proposal, and as you mention, I could
imagine some interaction/collaboration with UIMA. I would follow such a
project closely and possibly contribute.
--Thilo
Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
[Cross-posting to announce the Tika proposal, please use
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hi,
On 2/8/07, Curt Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I've already started a thread on eliminating or simplifying the
Logging Services bylaws (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-
logging-generalm=117095930231054w=2). I thought I saw an thread
here that suggested
Hi,
I'm currently involved in preparing the first UIMA incubator release, so
I looked at your release with a view to what I could learn ;-) To my
(newbie) eyes it all looks very clean, license headers everywhere etc.
One thing I noted is that you're distributing the Java Activation
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On 2/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...I'm proposing the following policy become explicit across the
incubator;..
I'm +1 on the idea, with a suggestion below.
...committers may commit code they personally authored,
or with proper
+1 (non-binding)
Sounds like a very useful (and fun) effort to me.
--Thilo
Leo Simons wrote:
Hi all,
This is a vote on a previously posted proposal to start a rdf database
server project at apache. The entire proposal text is included below.
There is only one change from the one posted to
] wrote:
Hola,
On 1/25/07, Thilo Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so what do you propose? The signing releases page does have all the
info, but it's not very newbie friendly.
I propose that instead of rewriting a new set of docs from scratch,
you (or whoever is interested) submit patches against
Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
Hi Thilo,
I was also getting me into the signing and since we (the Trinidad
podling) use Maven2, I found this useful as well
http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-gpg-plugin/
-M
Thanks, I'll check that out. The documentation is a bit on the short
side. Does it
Hi,
I have recently started to familiarize myself with release signing for
the upcoming UIMA release. I have documented my experiences on our web
site, for developers here:
http://incubator.apache.org/uima/distribution.html (section Signing a
distribution)
and for users here:
Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
here it goes
http://people.apache.org/repo/m2-incubating-repository/org/apache/myfaces/trinidadbuild/maven-faces-plugin/incubator-m1-SNAPSHOT/
Hi Matthias,
you certainly have an abundance of signature files there.
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hola,
That's cool, and very considerate of you to take the time to document
your process. Thank you.
However, I'm not sure that we need to duplicate what's already
documented and followed by most ASF projects:
http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases and its links. Instead, we
Dan Diephouse wrote:
Just add yourself to the monthly schedule on the wiki and then you'll be
scheduled (pick any group you like) :-)
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReportingSchedule
Also, new incubator projects must report every month for the first three
months. After that then the
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Henri's
https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/incubator-info.txt
shows the list of projects needing to report, plus any that have been newly
accepted.
UIMA reported in November for the first time. We are currently listed
as Needs to be added to the
David Crossley wrote:
...
On xml-based projects there are problems due to many weird
filename extensions, so i use a different approach with
https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/tools/report_svn_text.pl
It scans for text files and reports which do not have svn:eol-style native.
That
If there's no reason for us to change the project name, then I for one
would just like to keep the one we have. We have built some name
recognition around UIMA already, and I hope the Ukrainian Institute of
Modern Art will forgive us for usurping the #1 spot on Google ;-)
--Thilo
Mads
Marshall Schor wrote:
Hi everyone. I'm restarting the UIMA Proposal thread based on the
comments so far, with a revised proposal that more closely follows
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html. The first paragraph
was rewritten to more clearly state what the proposal was, in
Garrett Rooney wrote:
snip
I'm sorry, but I have to vote -1 based on my new policy of rejecting
any potential podling that can't explain what it is that they do
within the first paragraph of the proposal. I'm a fairly intelligent
person, but honestly I have no clue what an architecture and
Yonik Seeley wrote:
On 8/26/06, Thilo Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From an application perspective, we have great hopes for a cooperation
with the Lucene project.
Great, I think this is something I'd like to get involved in!
I've been thinking about how Solr integration could work.
You
Ian Holsman wrote:
Hi Thilo
your explanation attracted me ;-)
is UIMA just the interface specification only ? (ie to produce a
standard in the unstructured text-processing world so that other people
can plug and play)
or does UIMA also provide tools for each component?
Hi Ian,
the main
Hi David,
we have some sample components today. For example, we have wrappers
around some of the OpenNLP tools (http://opennlp.sourceforge.net/) to
make them available as UIMA components.
Also, as I mentioned in my an answer to Ian, we would like to create
something like the Lucene sandbox
Leo Simons wrote:
snip/
What does it *do*? How does it *work*? I understand there's a runtime and
a framework and a standardization process and a component-based
interoperability goal, but what I don't understand is what they are *for*.
The unstructured content we're talking about is mainly
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