At 01:45 PM 12/10/00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
[much stuff snipped]
Things I would never even try with java:
1) Talking any client/server protocol other than URLs. The perl
mail/ftp modules are so easy to use and they work great. I
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Jim Woodgate wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can do the twostage server if you are short on memory, speed is
important and usage of active content is relatively low. Setup a mod_proxy
and stripped down apache for port 80 and mod_perl for port 8080 for
At 10:07 AM 12/11/2000 +, Matt Sergeant wrote:
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Jim Woodgate wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can do the twostage server if you are short on memory, speed is
important and usage of active content is relatively low. Setup a
mod_proxy
and stripped down
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
Except that won't scale beyond 1 server...
But that's the same thing with IPC shared mem modules yet people still use
them on mod_perl for various tricks. It's still easier in Java to do that
sort of sharing -- at least it is for me. As always,
Matt Sergeant writes:
Except that won't scale beyond 1 server...
If I needed to go beyond one server in java, I would probably look at
something like Objectspace Voyager, which is the easiest to use orb
I've ever seen. Is there anything similar in perl? I'd love to try it
out!
--
[EMAIL
At 10:51 AM 12/8/00 -0800, Paul wrote:
--- Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
I'd rather see us find some way to churn out perl and mod_perl
programmers. For instance, release a beginner class on Perl and
mod_perl and have local Perlmongers lead classes. I have my slides
Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Interestingly, I recall sitting in on one of Bruce's courses at Web98 (We
were teaching CGI/Perl for a day and he was teaching Intensive Java the day
before)... Bruce said he has tried to learn Perl but just couldn't wrap his
head around it.
If
At 09:27 AM 12/6/00 +, Matt Sergeant wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
I haven't looked at AO or AxKit, but if I can untar either one of them and
just get to work, that will rule.
You can't, but thats because I believe in the CPAN model - use pre-written
components. I
At 12:06 AM 12/6/00 -0600, Jim Woodgate wrote:
Chris Winters writes:
Along with the open-source Servlet/JSP/Web Engine servers (among
others):
Apache Tomcat: http://jakarta.apache.org/
Jetty: http://jetty.mortbay.com/
I'm currently using the Tomcat at work, and I have to say
At 08:26 PM 12/5/00 +, Matt Sergeant wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Eric Strovink wrote:
A number of people have been beating around this bush, so why not just
mow it down?
A huge win for advocacy would be a small set of complete example
applications targetted at, say, the last two
At 09:13 PM 12/5/00 +0100, you wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Eric Strovink wrote:
A number of people have been beating around this bush, so why not just
mow it down?
A huge win for advocacy would be a small set of complete example
applications targetted at, say, the last two RedHat
I don't mean to naysay it, but this is going to start getting quite binary
specific. I guess you could maintain an RPM for Linux, but beyond that it
seems quite difficult. And even if you maintain it as an RPM for Linux, do
you make your own Perl distro with it or use RedHat's crappy distro?
At 01:05 PM 12/5/00 -0600, Jay Jacobs wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
What we want is very simple.
1. We want many users, so they will thoroughly test the software and spot
bugs asap, so we -- current users will get a better product.
2. We want more developers, so
At 02:01 PM 12/6/00 -0800, brian moseley wrote:
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Aaron E. Ross wrote:
while the install and auto configure part is not very glamorous, the
possibility of being able to untar one package to get mod_perl w/
persistent
db connections, transaction management, data
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can do the twostage server if you are short on memory, speed is
important and usage of active content is relatively low. Setup a mod_proxy
and stripped down apache for port 80 and mod_perl for port 8080 for
example. Proxy certain urls to the 8080 and you are
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
I'm currently using the Tomcat at work, and I have to say that
although I really love perl and mod_perl, there are real advantages to
using java. Over the past couple of years that I've been mostly
lurking on this list there have been a couple
Ask Bjoern Hansen sent the following bits through the ether:
Talarian have a Perl API for SmartSockets. I would think they have for
their "SmartMQ" thingy too. If not then it's probably easy to make.
(rapidly going OT) There's a simple Perl interface to
http://www.spread.org/ which works
One simple question please.
How do you differentiate between perl programmers amd Mod_perl
programmers?
Thanks
Stas Bekman wrote:
I've dropped my last job, in order to finally finish the mod_perl book,
have some rest and make a push to mod_perl.
Well best of luck hope you have
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, harilaos wrote:
One simple question please.
How do you differentiate between perl programmers amd Mod_perl
programmers?
If you are in a public transportation and you happen to overhear this kind
of discussion:
"...all children were running and refused to respond. I've
The mod_perl programmer has no hair left.
:)
At 11:19 AM 12/8/2000 +, harilaos wrote:
One simple question please.
How do you differentiate between perl programmers amd Mod_perl
programmers?
Thanks
Stas Bekman wrote:
I've dropped my last job, in order to finally finish the mod_perl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
snippage
I'd love that. In fact anything that anyone had waiting to go onto
PerlMonth please drop a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we'll get you
published. (assuming that PerlMonth isn't going to resurrect itself)
At 08:13 08/12/2000 +0800, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
The could be although ActiveState has a product that competes with mod_perl
on the NT side called PerlEx.
What is too bad about the silence about the relationship is that PerlEx as
a product could really benefit from evolving upon the back of
Matthew Kennedy writes:
If I were developing an application
which fit well into the two-tier model however, a mod_perl based plan
would be my first preference -- development time is shorter than
JSP/Servlet and maintainability is _at_least_ comparible.
I would add that the "java is
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Greg Cope wrote:
I'd love that. In fact anything that anyone had waiting to go onto
PerlMonth please drop a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we'll get you
published. (assuming that PerlMonth isn't going to resurrect itself)
Actually its kinda has been
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Keith G. Murphy wrote:
Stas Bekman wrote:
Let me stright things out a bit, so you won't get misleaded by my post as
a marketing call.
What we want is very simple.
1. We want many users, so they will thoroughly test the software and spot
bugs asap, so we --
--- Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
I'd rather see us find some way to churn out perl and mod_perl
programmers. For instance, release a beginner class on Perl and
mod_perl and have local Perlmongers lead classes. I have my slides
from the University of Perl, which I'd
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
The real question is for someone to undertake the Safe module and make it
working for mod_perl. I think we have discussed this before. I don't
remember what was the conclusion.
That its pretty hard to do, and requires Safe holes to be any use for
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Paul wrote:
I would love to be able to list on my resumé that I was Perl and
mod_perl certified. How about publicity in the form of a page listing
certified Perl/modPerl coders on take23, with contact info if they
like? Great for getting those job offers.
We will be
First, the gratuitous "me, too!"
As fair warning, there's little more than that in terms of valid
content here, but if you're still interested in reading the rest
--- "J. J. Horner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:22:26PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
"Gunther" ==
Stas Bekman wrote:
Let me stright things out a bit, so you won't get misleaded by my post as
a marketing call.
What we want is very simple.
1. We want many users, so they will thoroughly test the software and spot
bugs asap, so we -- current users will get a better product.
2. We
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:22:26PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
I mean, until I can demonstrate that people with certs are likely
to get hired faster or make more money, what's the point? As it is
now, good mod_perl people are hard enough to find that the
jobseeker
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote:
[...]
consider a scenario in which somebody uses a web interface
to signal an action, which is placed into a message queue.
on the other end of that queue, a service handles the event
with a transaction that spans multiple third tier systems.
this
Patrick wrote:
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:52:01PM +0100, Stas Bekman took time to write:
Your problem is that you try to use the precompiled broken packages
provided by distros.
If I can jump... I must say that I *never* had a problem with Debian
packages of mod_perl. Maybe RedHat
Jim Winstead wrote:
(of course, this only addresses scaling to a breadth of users, not
scaling into the enterprise area. that just requires real marketing
and hype.)
I saw an article in the Financial Times the other day. Some people have
written a "Fax your MP[1]" gateway
kyle dawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 05:52, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
6. Engineering
The Perl community is made up of a truly eclectic group of people, which
is an amazing strength. However, it's also an amazing weakness: I get
the impression that very few
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
"Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gunther This is exactly why someone experienced in training (ie
Gunther Randal/StoneHenge) would hopefully be the ones to take the
Gunther torch on this. If there's anyone I would trust
Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 14:07 06/12/2000 -0500, kyle dawkins wrote:
Ok, you're missing my point but that's partially my fault for not explaining.
First, let me agree: Java's "everything is an object" mentality sucks
balls. And yes, Perl's duality of functional/OO is
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:22:26PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
"Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gunther This is exactly why someone experienced in training (ie
Gunther Randal/StoneHenge) would hopefully be the ones to take the
Gunther torch on this. If there's
At 07:12 AM 12/7/00 -0500, barries wrote:
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 12:30:53AM -0500, Marc Spitzer wrote:
the only thing I would add is DBI and DBD:::CSV,
No joins. Therefore not very useful.
Actually joins are over-rated for most simple apps. It's very easy to make
a calendar, address book
Installing:
I've installed mod_perl twice in the last month. The first time was on Solaris
and was quite painless. The second time was on RH 7.0, and was fairly painful.
Took most of a day of futzing around to finally get it installed and working. I
ran into two problems, first the
at a time earlier than now, kevin montuori wrote:
Aaron E Ross writes:
aer the possibility of being able to untar one package to get
aer mod_perl w/ persistent db connections, [c.] is very glamorous!
agreed. but fundamentally impossible. what database are you
going
J. J. Horner writes:
I'd be interested in something like this.
Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of
work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for
those certified. If it's done poorly, it's useless and is just a
moneymaker for the
By the way, does mod_perl have a "board of directors"? If there was a
mod_perl consortium backing mod_perl (Merlyn, Lincoln, Doug, Stas
etc) formally, I'm sure we could get some pretty serious notice.
Yes, it's called Project Management Committee (pmc) and currently the
members are Doug,
"Aaron E. Ross" wrote:
database abstraction and connection pooling = DBI
session management = Apache::Session
load balancing = mod_backhand??
data relational mapping = Tangram or Alzabo
templates or
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:58:48PM +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
By the way, does mod_perl have a "board of directors"? If there was a
mod_perl consortium backing mod_perl (Merlyn, Lincoln, Doug, Stas
etc) formally, I'm sure we could get some pretty serious notice.
Yes, it's called
At 14:47 06/12/2000 -0800, ed phillips wrote:
Aristotle from the Ars Rhetorica on money:
Money will not make you wise, but it will bring a wise man to your door.
:)
-- robin b.
Forty two.
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, J. J. Horner wrote:
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:58:48PM +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
By the way, does mod_perl have a "board of directors"? If there was a
mod_perl consortium backing mod_perl (Merlyn, Lincoln, Doug, Stas
etc) formally, I'm sure we could get some
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 04:24:24PM -0800, Perrin Harkins wrote:
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Paul wrote:
I was pointed to IPC::Sharable, IPC::Sharelite.
I'll look at those.
Take a look at IPC::MM for a shared memory hash implemented in C. Also,
File::Cache is sometimes faster than the IPC
Matt,
Everything required to make the module work ought to be included in the package
or at least cross referenced to it. I have been having a problem in which I
have had to manually resolve module dependencies on a Solaris 2.6 box. It went
through several layers with several candidates for
At 07:56 07/12/2000 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
I'd rather see us find some way to churn out perl and mod_perl
programmers. For instance, release a beginner class on Perl and
mod_perl and have local Perlmongers lead classes. I have my slides
from the University of Perl, which I'd contribute
at a time earlier than now, Stas Bekman wrote:
Installing:
What's so complicated about this:
% cd /usr/src
% lwp-download http://www.apache.org/dist/apache_x.x.x.tar.gz
% lwp-download http://perl.apache.org/dist/mod_perl-x.xx.tar.gz
% tar xzvf apache_x.x.x.tar.gz
% tar xzvf
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jimi Thompson wrote:
Matt,
Everything required to make the module work ought to be included in
the package or at least cross referenced to it. I have been having a
problem in which I have had to manually resolve module dependencies on
a Solaris 2.6 box. It went
"Bruce W. Hoylman" wrote:
"Matthew" == Matthew Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
snip
Matthew compiled enterprise app might only be 300Kb (and not just a
Matthew "report queue manager"). And 500Mb of memory? That's
Matthew tuppence in the server world anyway.
This happens
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Nathan Torkington wrote:
J. J. Horner writes:
I'd be interested in something like this.
Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of
work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for
those certified. If it's done poorly, it's
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 07:56:09AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
J. J. Horner writes:
I'd be interested in something like this.
Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of
work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for
those certified. If
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 07:56:09AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
J. J. Horner writes:
I'd be interested in something like this.
Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of
work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for
those certified. If
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:52:01PM +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
What's so complicated about this:
When everything goes right, and when you happen to have lwp installed
and a tar that uncompresses :-).
Seems like a good process to encode in a build_my_mod_perl.pl, FWIW.
- Barrie
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
At 07:56 07/12/2000 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
I'd rather see us find some way to churn out perl and mod_perl
programmers. For instance, release a beginner class on Perl and
mod_perl and have local Perlmongers lead classes. I have my slides
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:52:01PM +0100, Stas Bekman took time to write:
Your problem is that you try to use the precompiled broken packages
provided by distros.
If I can jump... I must say that I *never* had a problem with Debian
packages of mod_perl. Maybe RedHat packages have (don't known
On 7 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote:
Development are two of the bibles. I have to say though,
I've avoided the Design Patterns type books purely
because of the C++/Java bias.
you sure are missing out.
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On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 12:30:53AM -0500, Marc Spitzer wrote:
the only thing I would add is DBI and DBD:::CSV,
No joins. Therefore not very useful.
you get a basic prototyping
db and you can
On 7 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote:
[...]
Do it on line, for free (or real cheap)? OK so it'd be multiple-guess
most of the time, but peer review of submitted coursework too?
Then I like mjd's "certification" much much better.
Certification done right doesn't matter. Certification not
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On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 12:30:53AM -0500, Marc Spitzer wrote:
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:33, you wrote:
On 7 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote:
Development are two of the bibles. I have to say though,
I've avoided the Design Patterns type books purely
because of the C++/Java bias.
you sure are missing out.
I second that. You should lose your
installed the package(s) you need.
marc
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Subject: Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)
Marc,
In order
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
At 07:56 07/12/2000 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
I'd rather see us find some way to churn out perl and mod_perl
programmers. For instance, release a beginner class on Perl and
mod_perl and have
This has been a really interesting thread. I would like to contribute my
own experiences as I am currently sitting on both sides of the fence.
In my spare time, what little there is, I operate a web hosting service for
NZ Christian churches, organisations and ministries. This
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jimi Thompson wrote:
Everything required to make the module work ought to be included in
the package or at least cross referenced to it.
Newer versions of CPAN resolve dependencies for you, and you can always
make a Bundle:: for your project.
- Perrin
What about working with ActiveState? I know they were primarily Windows
focused, but they now have Linux and Solaris versions of Perl pre compiled.
mod_perl can now be gotten to work with the latest ActivePerl build (622) for
Windows.
(thanks to Randy Kobes, or at least I think that is who has
The could be although ActiveState has a product that competes with mod_perl
on the NT side called PerlEx.
What is too bad about the silence about the relationship is that PerlEx as
a product could really benefit from evolving upon the back of a mod_perl
code base.
...In terms of rapidly
I would agree. If you want to see design patterns in practical action with
relation to mod_perl.. go to
http://www.extropia.com/ExtropiaObjects/
and skim through Chapters 10 (App Architecture) and on (on the individual
app toolkit components). Each one contains a sidebar on how design
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Tim Bunce wrote:
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 04:24:24PM -0800, Perrin Harkins wrote:
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Paul wrote:
I was pointed to IPC::Sharable, IPC::Sharelite.
I'll look at those.
Take a look at IPC::MM for a shared memory hash implemented in C. Also,
Chris Winters writes:
Along with the open-source Servlet/JSP/Web Engine servers (among
others):
Apache Tomcat: http://jakarta.apache.org/
Jetty: http://jetty.mortbay.com/
I'm currently using the Tomcat at work, and I have to say that
although I really love perl and mod_perl,
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jim Woodgate wrote:
With a system like Tomcat running in a jvm outside of apache, you only
have one jvm, and you get things like being able to share a cache
between all sessions alot easier.
[snip]
That being said, I wonder how difficult it would be pull the perl
At 02:18 AM 12/6/2000 -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote:
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jim Woodgate wrote:
With a system like Tomcat running in a jvm outside of apache, you only
have one jvm, and you get things like being able to share a cache
between all sessions alot easier.
[snip]
That being said, I
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, (Matthew Kennedy) wrote:
Transaction support for your business logic is easy in J2EE. It's not
clear how you do this in Perl?
Use an RDBMS.
You don't understand that it can have nothing to do with a RDBMS. I'm
not talking about transaction control within the
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
I haven't looked at AO or AxKit, but if I can untar either one of them and
just get to work, that will rule.
You can't, but thats because I believe in the CPAN model - use pre-written
components. I don't believe shipping all those components in
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote:
Transaction support for your business logic is easy in J2EE. It's not
clear how you do this in Perl?
Use an RDBMS.
what about transactions that
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote:
[coldfusion/php]
how is mason not like this?
It has no point-n-drool authoring tools. This is actually the killer app.
Once this is done, Mason / other templating system of choice gets
catapulted to the forefront
MBM
--
Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, kyle dawkins wrote:
[1. two types of developer]
agreed.
[2. Perl4 / Perl5 ]
This is also true. Although a lot of "Perl programmers" haven't got a clue
about the object orientation stuff in Perl5 either. On the other side of
the coin, too many people are jumping on the "It's
I'll bite, 'cuz I think I've run several times recently into this sort
of issue. I've not done anything with J2EE, so there's a risk that I've
misunderstood _that_. Now, from the top:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
With J2EE you get the complete illusion that you are doing txns
Stas Bekman wrote:
Well as you've probably figured out, based on the load of email from me,
I've dropped my last job, in order to finally finish the mod_perl book,
have some rest and make a push to mod_perl.
Well best of luck hope you have a good rest - I'll certainly buy the
book!
In
Matt Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
I haven't looked at AO or AxKit, but if I can untar either one of them and
just get to work, that will rule.
You can't, but thats because I believe in the CPAN model - use pre-written
components. I
On 6 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote:
Matt Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
I haven't looked at AO or AxKit, but if I can untar either one of them and
just get to work, that will rule.
You can't, but thats because I believe in the
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, kyle dawkins wrote:
* We implement a "mode" under mod_perl, kind of like "use strict", that
suddenly forces Perl to behave well from an object-oriented standpoint. By
this, I mean taking some of the power away from Perl that causes
I've dropped my last job, in order to finally finish the mod_perl book,
have some rest and make a push to mod_perl.
Well best of luck hope you have a good rest - I'll certainly buy the
book!
:)
I see two main streams:
1) Online zines.
2) Conferences.
I think that we
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 12:08:59PM +, Matt Sergeant wrote:
We could do
that with AxKit - just ship it with Apache, mod_perl, the whole lot. But I
don't think that would appeal to Perl people somehow. Thoughts?
We're not (really) talking about appealing to "Perl people" here, I
think, but
barries [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you could release a source distro of same with a big, red "make"
button on it that would allow folks on FreeBSD, debian, wherever to take
a stab at it too, that would be icing on the cake.
Me too ;-)
I mean, what would the damage of a full-on,
Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yeah, but I don't seem to make other interested. I don't know why. Folks
are too busy I guess.
It's blogger syndrome. You need to do it in parallel with the
development. The only reason my mod_perl/FastCGI comparison got
written was because those nice
At 16:39 05/12/2000 -0800, Perrin Harkins wrote:
Someone else brought this up with me off the list. Briefly, I said that
this doesn't usually happen with web sites for performance reasons and
that major RDBMS vendors offer things like two-phase commit. But no,
there is no perl transaction
Dave Rolsky writes:
The problem with them compared to mod_perl is that you don't have access
to the server internals so you can really only affect the content handling
phase. Is this the case with Tomcat as well?
I know that you can communicate with the server in the request, it's
not
I've been following along with this thread with interest, expecially since I'm
new to the mod_perl list and community (thanks for all the help so far!). I
thought you might be interesed in a 'mod_perl newbie' opinion.
Recently I was handed an online event calendar running under CGI and asked to
I've always considered mod_perl similar to an artist's canvas, while Java is more like
a craftsman's tool kit.
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
With J2EE you get the complete illusion that you are doing txns across as
many data sources on as many systems and vendors as you want, but behind
the illusion there is the nonzero risk that the data is
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
Has anyone written a Perl IDE in Perl?
i goofed around with a class browser/code generator a while
back, but i lost interest. as i recall, #perl laughed at me
when i suggested it :)
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
You can't, but thats because I believe in the CPAN model
- use pre-written components. I don't believe shipping
all those components in AxKit (and there are a fair
number required) is the right solution. Maybe I'm
mistaken.
that's why Bundle::AO is
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
I quite like the Zope model - a single distribution
which just includes and installs everything you need in
a single place. You get python, the httpd, the database,
everything. Of course if you have more complex needs,
like running Zope from within
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jim Woodgate wrote:
I know that you can communicate with the server in the
request, it's not totally stand-alone. But I haven't
looked into putting in handlers in other phases...
i believe with mod_jk there is a callback model, yes. but
given tomcat's valve architecture,
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote:
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
You can't, but thats because I believe in the CPAN model
- use pre-written components. I don't believe shipping
all those components in AxKit (and there are a fair
number required) is the right solution.
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
What does Bundle::AO give you that setting PREREQ_PM
correctly wouldn't?
i don't know :) i use them both.
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