Ed's Storms hope
Ed Storms wrote in the " are things really getting too complicated?" thread. opefully, my comments can generate ome discussion on Vortex. After all, the usual discussion of the arious scientific theories will have little importance if these social and economic problems are not solved. I will give an example. Solid waste recycling in the USA. Background: Alcoa has a large mine and aluminun smelter at Rockdale Texas just outside of Austin. They stripmine lignite coal to fire the electric power generating plant for their electric furnaces. The plant has whiskers from WW2.Alcoa wishes to deactivate the facility because its a money loser and the environmental issues are a nightmare plus their ground water is becoming more profitable to sell than use. Recycling metals alone have become a large business and China is the big buyer. Consumer products like appliances, refrigerators, TV, computers, plastics and metals are being disposed in landfills because there is no feasible system in place for recycling. One suggestion for use of the some 60,000 acres and power plant is a private-public consortium corporation for a massive recylcing facility. Almost all the infrastructure for this puppose exists at the location from natural gas, water, electric power. land, open pit mining and rail service. Small recycling experiments have demonstrated scale of size is required to make the effort feasible. A multi-state effort directed toward recycling materials can reach acceptable cost- benefit ratios. Alcoa is open to suggestions and have expressed a willingness to work on a plan in lieu of mothballing the facility. A plan could be put together that would permit Alcoa to make money two ways while addressing an issue that has lingered too long without a action plan. State and national organizations espousing an environmental agenda have been contacted regarding this proposal. The contact has been met with silence.this leaves onewondering aboutthe purpose of thesetax exempt advocates : are they in business to serve the public interest or they in business for another purpose? Ed, we have solutions for many of the nation's ills staring us in the face but it is difficult to have our leaders focus on the " necessary" when their attention is directed on where the money is.. politics! Richard
Re: Ed's Stroms hope
Mike Carrell Guess what, guys, recycling is a complex, nasty problem, not easily solved,as difficult as anything else in society, and screaming at the governmentisn't going to fix it. Like many things, market necessity is the driver andthings happen when it hurts enough. Yes, the government can help withstudies and subsidies and rules. But when the rubber hits the road, itstechnology, a technology whose messiness is only appreciated when you getserious about it.For starters, it is like unscrambling eggs. Mike, all so true. Brooklyn solved the problem by railcar to wesr Texas landfills.err.. if that is considered a solution. MacDonald's will solve the problem with disposable styrofoam containers when the price of plastic reachs their null point. Meanwhile back at the ranch here in Texas, we have 60,000 acres of strip mine staring us in the face. Anyone have any ideas what to do with it. Talk about messy !! its like an open sore.There ain't much use for it. My thoughtson recyclingis based on the existing infrastucture " on the ground". The technology for recycling exists.. albeit in bits and pieces in small scale enterprises.. but it exists. So much of what we face as daunting tasks become feasible when applying the magic of reasoned thought and purpose. The thought I had in suggesting recycling on a grand scale was to give feet to Ed's suggestion by way of example. My underlying purpose is to demonstrate the Vortex group has " moxie" we are underutilizing. CF studies are needed. Studies cost money and require teamwork. Teamwork requires co-operation. Co- operation requires university participation. Looking at the formidable task ahead is like planning a marketing program. Theperson that said " build a better mousetrap and people will come knocking on your door" failed to grasp the fundamentals of the game. The reality is " show me somebody that can sell mousetraps and I can build all you can sell". CF research must be sold as an existing product.sell the " sizzle" and not the steak. What is the sizzle in CF? It is NOT the energy it produces, it is the convenience and usefulness it affords The safety and cleanliness. The recycling ability and the abundance. It must be sold as a prduct and not as an objection to hot fusion. That is the concept that must be sold as sizzle. How to ? you ask ? Credibility in science. Credibility is " earned" by performance. Performance in CF cannot beachieved without having CF " in the fist".. unless.. the salemen for CF researchcan demonstrate "bona-fieds". One such way is to present a series of thought provoking ideas that are credible. The instant acceptance the group exhibited to the idea for " recycling" demonstrates an abiity ofVortex touse imagination.Credible ideascan overcome resistanceof the leadership cadre at the university and government funding levelsby demostrating credibility in other fields of technology and need. Water, air,food, energy, healthcare, recycling.. the basics. Selling requires a marketing plan, a basic strategy.. similar to war. The object being to conquer. For Vortexians, anyone have any ideas for how to sell mousetraps? Richard
Re: Today's N.Y. Time editorial
Ed Sorms wrote In addition, if we believe events follow God's will, we hold no responsibility for what will occur. As this attitude takes hold, I predict that the US will drift further and further from reality while becoming more religious in its approach to solving problems, with each reaction feeding on the other. Religion has "gone Hollywood" along with L.Ron Hubbard and John Revolta. et.al. The result will be similar to what the Christian fundamentalist predict, but in fact the future will be a self fulfilling prophesy of ignorant men, not the will of God. The will of God hasn't changed. A close study of the bible will indicate to you thatthe individual will self fulfill his own prophecy. The basic problem is how can we or anyone cause people to think rationally rather than react emotionally to the growing list of problems facing society? Or is this too big a question to answer? The laws of human nature haven't changed. No one can "make" anyone do anything, evidenced by an overcrowded prison system. I have mentioned faith based belief systems in past posts.People on earth that have God's word written on their hearts sustain hope. This is a nation of hope. Can we solve the growing list of problems facing society? Not the with the approach we are using. The major task we face is one of accepting personal responsibility for oneself. Go to any shopping mall and watch the 4 wheel drive super SUV's perform on pavement. An absolute necessity for today's citizen. One must be equipped to deal with the potholes of life. Richard
Re: Insipid New York Times editorial
Jed wrote..
Ford, for example, is now offering a hybrid which gets 30
miles-per-gallon, which is almost as good as a 1995 station wagon.
Thomas Friedman, a columnist for the Times, in today's op-ed section writes "
virtues that propelled ( Lance) Armstrong fading in America". The article says
the focus is fading. Interesting that he commented on oil , writing...
{And if you were President, and you had just seen more suicide bombs in
London, wouldn't you say to your aides: " We have got to reduce our dependency
on Middle East oil. We have to do it for our national security. We have to do it
because only if we bring down the price of crude will these countries be forced
to reform. And we should want to do it because it is clear that green energy
solutions are the wave of the future, and the more quickly we impose a stringent
green agenda on ourselves, the more our companies will lead innovation in these
technologies}
The entire Friedman article is a good piece of journalism and worth reading .
It does not cover one of the most compelling tasks for the nation. Reformation
of the selection process of the CEO of our major corporations. At present the
CEO is selected by Wall Street. An example is the tragedy of Hewlitt
Packard ( HP) . HP personifies the insanity running rampant in our leading
corporate entities. The CEO is selected to please Wall Street's quarterly
projections. Nothing else is important ,. Do whatever it takes to make the stock
price rise THIS QUARTER, the future be damned. This is the mandate given the
CEO. No wonder they demand a pay package up front with stock guaranty options.
They know it can't be done so why not just play the game.
Compare HP ( the printer was their cash cow) and Brother ( the old
Nippon Sewing Machine Company dating from year
1909). Look at sales both in US and worldwide and notice
Brother has stolen the thunder from HP plus leading HP in new technology. The
people inside HP tried to warn the CEO ( Carly the dunce in panty hose) but
money won over business acumen. It actually didn't start with printers, it
started with the merge of Compaq which was insanity. Compare the HP model with
the Dell model for understanding the difference in CEO styles.
Examples in the energy industry ( no further need to kick a dead horse,
Enron) are El Paso and Reliant. The CEO's do the will of their master Wall
Street. How these two wonderful, asset rich and extremely profitable companies
could fall to such depths is a story of seduction that is both tawdy and
debaucherous.
The American business model is now shaped and dictated to by Wall Street not
Main Street. Nothing else matters. Friedman may try to put words in the
President's mouth but nobody is listening to whatBush says anymore.
Someone asked an old timer in Key West about the inrush of people into the keyes
and the construction boom and when is it going to stop ?..he remarked..
nothin a darn good hurricane wouldn't take care of.
Which begs the question.. is this what the leaders of our nation are waiting
for? .. the perfect storm?
Richard
Re: The Secret of Sonoluminescense
Mike Carroll wrote.. I've spent hours in the presence of both Dr. Hal Puthoff and Dr. RandellMills, but that doesn't prove anything in particular. IMO trying to forceZPE, Casmir, BLP and LENR into the same box by saying any of these is"really" another is quite futile in the present state of our knowledge. Allthat can reasonably be said is that physics is in a crisis similar to thatin the late 1800's when the accepted paradigms were showing theirlimitations and new phenomena and candidates were emerging. While the Casmireffect is well accepted as manifested in a particular family of experiments,its "explanation" is somewhat mundane. The BLP and LENR effects shake thefoundations of current physics and will require a long process of fittingthe pieces of what is well known into a new picture. This could takedecades. Mike, Interesting observations. Sono refers to sound. Some time back I was corrected by a physicist by my stating that sound started the process. He was emphatic in his specific argument that sound does not travel in a vacuum. My response was that light travels in a vacuum and light is a mere manifestation of sound..not the reverse. Sonochemistry, sonofusion and sonoluminescence have one thing in common .. sound. Sound can produce light but sound does not eminate from light by nature. Another clue to the mystery of CF. We may be looking directly at theprojection screeninstead of strolling behind the curtain to watch what levers the magician is pulling. Richard
Re: Not what they seem
Terry, Yes , things are not what they seem. This statement extends to most science. Way back when I was in school we were taught crude oil came from dinasaurs and decayed vegetable matter and this was in the early 1940's. I have been posting a few " ringers" . One is that the sun may be a transceiver. Receiving energy in a form we do not understand. This energy could be manifested in an event similar to an arc welder electrode touching a steel surface. The sun could be a giant pece of ferrite metal (iron) with solar flares indicating an imbalance of received energy. Throwing another " ringer" out. Saturn the planet with rings. Impossible ! there can be no rings around a planet like Saturn without voiding basic.scientific principle. UNLESS.. we consider there is a useful purpose for the rings. Ah ha ! The rings may be a manifestation of a gyroscope used to keep our local solar system in sinc. OR.. a more far out thought. The rings may represent a type of " hard drive". SETI works tirelessly seeking signals from space. They may be looking at the task backward. The information they seek may be " stored " on the " discs".. the rings of Saturn. At some point in the search for CF and new forms of energy we must begin thinking creation is NO ACCIDENT of evolution hit and miss science. . There is a use and purpose for everything. The fact that rings appear around Saturncould mean there is a purpose for them. Theory of a beginning , a big bang etc.may be leadingus astray like the dinasaurs with crude oil.. Creation may not be creation as we attempt to " typecast" it. It may be " eternal" with no beginning and no end, only never ending phases. This concept is impossible to grasp because we have " time " burned into our thinking. We may be interpreting the bible creation account incorrectly. It may be the event means the earth, andNOT the entire solar system was created in the six time periods which are assumed to cover some 12-15 billion years in our time measurement system. Interjecting bible scripture into science discussion is necessary because it is an important written record of the past. If we could get past the " religion" part and concentrate on the science part we can study the deep insight of what what was recorded . For example, the book of Job is an absolute masterpiece of physics principles that have weathered the years unchallenged. Richard
Re: Article on energy in National Geographic
Reading the posts on this subject by the various personalities in the group only reinforces my belief that this body of thinkers have some special comaradre that borders on the unique. The strength of the group is not in its total agreement but it's simple ability to function and cohere regardless of " potshots" and " zingers". Even the belief systems of the members add to the marketplace of ideas expressed. Jealously guard this experience because it can be " fleeting" like the imaginary Camelot. My personal opinion is that the socalled secret of CF has been described in here at least three ways over the past few years without being fully recognized in its essential. Hammer away !! we are getting closer each day.. with what?? With just a few people with ideas and a forum of openness and self discipline ..pitted againstthe mighty and powerful with funding and facilities. Gosh , I love it !!.. If there is one thing the internet teaches ( by exposure..like nudity in all its forms..tongue in cheek and grinning.). is that, it not only represents a unique form of communication but that there is a deeper concept thatexhibits the miracle of " grouping" of individuals worldwide into instant forums of common interests. Science never had it so good and there can be no more secrets and playing "keepaway" like children. The formation of the enhanced dialog developing in this group is uplifting. Jed's letter has been published and he has given us a guide for wording a continuious stream of letters sustaining the CF theme and keeping it before the world. I commend you Jed!!.Strive to weave into letters a sense of confidence in the authenticy of the research results in CF to date. Exhibit integrity in letters.Sincerity and longevityin the quest, the momentum, and the objective. People can read between the lines, The prize will announce itself later, the benefits will be quickly forgotten by the consuming public,but the legacy will remain. The legacy of some darn good times together. Richard
Re: The Secret of Sonoluminescense
Grimer wrote.. Interestingly enough, seeing BR as a hydrodynamic phenomena neatly explains something which I've never understood before, i.e. why BR produces a searchlight type beam in the synchrotron.The transition from streamline flow in a pipe (parabolic velocity distribution) to turbulent flow (uniform velocity distribution) can be seen as a transition from isotropic micro vortices with their axes perpendicular to the direction of flow to vortices with their axes parallel to the flow direction. Notation by Richard.. as neat a description of a liquid vortex as I've seenNow if BR electron orbits are oriented in the same manner as turbulent flow vortices then a collimated beam can be expected. We recently used a "Q" beamlamp to study a new "Coanda Effect" ( double stacked bladed propellerwith venturi effect between blades) being tested in our windowed water tank. The bright lamppermitted us to watchthe thrust characteristics ofthe propeller.A reversevortex appeared. It projected from the recess in the prop hub( used for the prop mounting bolt) in atight straight vertical pattern downward from thevertically mounted3450RPM vertically mountedelectric motor driven unit.The vortex did appear torepeatedly " cycle" in formation and decay.Drat that welder of ours for not having the new equipment finished for our 10,000 RPM run tests to see if we can get a UV and perhaps a gamma event from increasing the speed. Yes! we have a RAD meter handy. The formation of the vortex is not nearly as interesting to us as the "cycling". This indicates we have a capacitor event taking place. hmmm!! Richard
Re:The Secret of Sonoluminescense
At 04:04 pm 22/07/2005 -0500, you wrote:BlankRichard wrote.. Frank, a simple proof of principle of your thoughts on catalysis can be observed with the mixing of a two part epoxy. Try mixing a cubic inch square mold full versus a thin film layer on a surface. The reaction and hardening time differs whereas the cubic inch mold reaction time will be up to 12 or more times faster than the thin film. This should not be. The thin film should harden faster than the cube.Grimer wrote.. In the example you quote it would no doubt be argued that the heat of reaction for the cube can't escape as easily as for the thin film and that this heat speeds up the hardening process. The use of 2 part epoxy as an example over concrete is used because of the heat of reaction of epoxy is more obvious to everyone over concrete. Near identical reactive events occur in both. If you identify it as a chemical reaction you have locked yourself in the cloakroom.. it is a B-a and G-a event beyond chemistry as defined.I see what you are saying but I think you are ahead ofne there, Richard. When one has been addicted to somethinglike smoking all one's life it is very difficult to give up the habit all at once. Likewise, once one sees the "light"it is very difficult to give up darkness. One has to forceoneself to think of the world turning around rather than the sun rising in the east and going down in the west.Frank Progress, we are making progress. Firrt, onemust step out of the box before one can begin thinking outside the box. In another post I readGrimer's response to Merlyn that is intriguing in its concept. To reinforce your thought train I will pass on an experience in electrical grounding surrounding high resistive loads starting and stopping across the line. Some our electronics installed at a large municipal plant were playing games with us. We suggested the problem was improper grounding and were rebuffed. Finally we rented a Dranitz power recorder to " capture" and record electrical events taking place on the incoming power during starting and stopping blowers (loads of 250 Hp 460 vac 60hz 3 phase or greater). The high speed strip chart recorder picked up spikes of 12,000 v at a moment of 1/1000 sec duration. The strange part was the recorder also picked up a change in frequency 'blip"from below 56hz up to 71hz. No one could explain this event. The power company checked on their side of the transformer and the hertz remained 60 on the nose.After a full set of grounding rings was installed around the blower building the problems with the electronics went away. After all these years I believe I finally have to answer to the mystery of the momentary swing in frequency contained inGrimer's response to Merlyn. Anyone experienced with accumulators ( gas over liquid pressure systems ) has a few choice tales to tell about the strange shifts in gauge pressure that remain unexplained. Standard precision pressure gauges tend to play tricks while your back is momentarily turn by changing the pressure slightly. Try using a differential pressure gauge and compensate for the liquid head only to discover the differential gauge plays even sneaker tricks.Few ever noticed before the advent of digital readout. All in the way of verification that Grimer is on to something interesting. Richard
Re: The Secret of Sonoluminescense
Grimer wrote.. Wrong! It has Neutral Mass. Mass is energy.And energy is motion^2So energy can be positive or negative as exemplifiedby strain energy (epsilon^2) which can be tensile strain energy or compressive strain energy.So mass can be positive or negative.Mass is not a measure of substance but a measure ofmotion relative to the environment as both Ing.Saviourand I have independently realised. (see his and myYahoo sites for details). More! More! This is the type of physics dialog we need. Mass may not be a measure of substance. However the measure of motion relative to the environment can have a " memory' and form both good and bad habits instantly ( Coanda would love it). I suggest this is a clue to the struggle JLN has with his MAHG model. Richard
Re: The Secret of Sonoluminescense
Richard wrote.. Frank, a simple proof of principle of your thoughts on catalysis can be observed with the mixing of a two part epoxy. Try mixing a cubic inch square mold full versus a thin film layer on a surface. The reaction and hardening time differs whereas the cubic inch mold reaction time will be up to 12 or more times faster than the thin film. This should not be. The thin film should harden faster than the cube. Grimer wrote.. In the example you quote it would no doubt be argued that the heat of reaction for the cube can't escape as easily as for the thin film and that this heat speeds up the hardening process. The use of 2 part epoxy as an example over concrete is used because of the heat of reaction of epoxy is more obvious to everyone over concrete. Near identical reactive events occur in both. If you identify it as a chemical reaction you have locked yourself in the cloakroom.. it is a B-a and G-a event beyond chemistry as defined. If we consider the heat comes from the chemical reaction, we wind up in a socalled English maze with no exit except back to square one. If we consider the heat " arrives" externally, we are still progressing thru the maze and the quest forB-a and G-acan continue.Both are demonstrable daily in the structural concrete in our bridges. Some fifty odd years ago, a friend tried to explain the chemistry of Portland cement. Finally, he threw up his hands in disgust and shouted.. its staring you in the face, it is compounded daily, it is the only material I know that gains hardness and strength as it ages except petrified wood which just happens to be a similar process.He stated he couldn't explain it, scienceand mathematics had yetto progress to an explanation,Which poises the question.. should we be studying petrification for a clue? I have been having fun bouncing ideas in the group such as a black hole may act as a capacitor and the sun act as a transceiver , receiving , converting and re-transmitting a different form of energy. One of the interesting thoughts alluding to this nonsense of mineis the evidence of socalled dark matter and/ or dead stars. Dead silent dark star bodies may have lost the ability to receive an energy input. Exploding nova may be stars that receive energy and have the ability to convertbut not the ability tore-transmit energy and therefore explode in an atomic catacylism beyond one's imagination. However , an ever wise designer has made allowances and both the energy and matter are sustained and regrouped for re-use.Perhaps the task we face in the search for new energy sources includes formulating methods of that re-use. At some point in time, hopefully the next generation of youth that are in science programs will get past Darwin's psuedo-quackery that has degenerated into a cult belief system of sorts and held back the nation's Universities by it's teaching as science and permeated every realm of study. While in a gibberish mood I will cast another stone in the placid pool of cyber-science. Lightning !! Lightning comes in more than 3 flavors. One of the flavors describe B-a and G-a and surprisingly link directly to CF. Try that on for size !! Of course, Grimer is never one to be left in the cloakroom of ideas without a goodie and surely will post the promised experiment. Gosh , this group is interesting, I just hope our esteemed moderator has mercy on a poor Texas boy just trying to make do as a cowboy rodeo roper . Richard
Re: The Secret of Sonoluminescence
At 12:24 pm 22/07/2005 -0700, Merlyn wrote: It is a very compelling theory Frank, You say the nicest things, Merlyn. 8-) but I don't think it works out.But here comes the "but" ;^)--- Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find myself in this situation with regard to the effect of drop in Beta-atmospheric (B-a) pressure on the strength of the attraction and repulsion of positive and negative charges. I am confident that the explanation I have given is correct, albeit obscenely unorthodox, but I find I have to demand a justification, an explanation, from myself (my own worst critic) as to why. To summarize the situation. The repulsive force between like charges is affected by the drop in B-a pressure as one enters into a material such as water, steel, concrete, palladium etc. The attractive force between unlike charges is unaffected by a change in the B-a pressure as one enters the material. So the problem is: Why are repulsive forces affected and attractive forces not affected by the B-a change? === ! A TENSILE STRESS THEREFORE IS ! ! MERELY A REDUCTION IN THE AMBIENT ! ! COMPRESSIVE STRESS AND THE ! ! CONCEPT OF ACTION AT A DISTANCE ! ! IS NO LONGER REQUIRED ! === .and that really is the crux of the matter. The force that pushes the like charges apart emanates from those charges - but - the force that pushes the unlike charges together emanates, not from the charges, but from the charges' enveloping environment. Let's, give it a name. Lets call it the Gamma-aether, the Gamma-atmosphere (G-a), for we are assuredly dealing with two vastly different levels of the total Aether. The need for a Gamma-atmosphere was implicitly recognised in the Southampton paper by designating the familiar atmosphere, the air, as the Alpha-atmosphere (A-a)to both distinguish it from the Beta-atmosphere and to provide for up to 22 more enveloping atmospheres as they become required. g Now it is not that the change in the B-a pressure does not affect the value of the Gamma atmosphere pressure at all. It does affect it. But the G-a pressure is so bloody enormous that the change brought about by a change in the B-a is negligible. Anybody familiar with calculus will be very familiar with thingees being negligible when they are very small compared with other thingees. When the B-a pressure is lowered, as it is in the "FLUID PHASE" reduced B-a pressure of a material such as water or metal, the repulsion between positive charges is reduced. In other words, the Coulomb Barrier between positive charges is lowered. This is the essential key to understanding Cold Fusion. And in order to make progress in bringing CF to a commercial product, without blowing oneself up in the process, one would be well advised to take Whitehead's good advice. Picture it this way...I have a spring (coulomb force) separating 2 steelplates (protons)Note that the space between the plates is open to thesurroundings atmosphere and not sealed.The force required to move the plates closer togetheris very precisely calculated in air at 14.7 psi.Now if I were to place the entire apparatus underwater where the pressure was raised to 100 psi wouldit make any difference in the force needed to compressthe spring? The added pressure acts equally on allsides of the plates and so cancels out.I don't see the repulsive force between two like chargesas something static, but something dynamic, a flux, aflow of substance. Now, clearly, the repulsive pressure this flow will exert will be proportional to the differencebetween the pressure of the outgoing flow and the ambient pressure of the field. If both pressures are the same,for example, then there can be no repulsion.The nature of the "attractive" force is quite different.It doesn't emanate from the charges themselves but fromthe ambient field.It is brought about by the Bernoulli pressure drop in the flow and counter flow between the electron (at a pressure above B-a ambient) and the proton (at a pressure below B-a ambient).To give a loose analogy which I wouldn't want to press toofar. The earth receives directed radiation from the sunat one average wavelength and transmits it isotropicallyat a lower wavelength. The higher wavelength is analogous to the Gamma-atmosphere.the lower to the Beta-atmosphere.Frank, as I understand it you see charge as relativeto the background (beta-aether) rather liketemperature.As pressure, the inverse of temperature - but you'reon the right trackIf we were to call protons hot at 71 degrees andelectrons cold at 69 degrees then a hydrogen atomwould be neutral at 70 degrees because it averagesout.It would be at ambient pressure,
Verdict so far!!
Ed should copyright it!! It's a " natural "sez Jed ! Meanwhile back at the ranch all uz non wizards arre left to speculate, Here goes another one.. The sun !. Ah so . The sun may be a "repeating" station that receives energy in one " form" and transmits it in another. The "another" has been studied and some very good science has been the result. Not conclusive, but good science. If we consider a " cycling" takes place rather than looking at the sun as an energy source in itself,another door may open to trying to imagine the " form" of cycling that occurs. The energy received would have to be in a " form" unknown to present science. I have read the posts onremote viewing. We could use a vision on CF. I suggest CF may be able to be identified in several forms, one being the recycling or ' recharging" the sun. To do so, the form of recharging of energy would have to be transmitted in a medium we do not understand. One clue to would be to observe solar flares as similar to what occurs with an arc welder. The received energy may be be manifested in this observable event. Ina past post, I speculated that black holes may be a form of power factor correction capacitors. In another post I speculated the earth may function as a form of heat sink. Lets look at the earth in focus. Deep snow ice inhabits the north and south poles and a weather system is in phase ( as well as we can hope ). The existence of cold and snow at the poles is an anomaly. There should not be such an extreme temperature differential on the surface of the earth sphere. One expalnation I suggested is the earth can be visualized as a double ended vortex tube that produces cold at the ends and heat at the middle. Foolish and absurd in its conjecture yet we have yet to touch vortex science as a prelude to conceptualizing CF. Another conjecture regarding the earth sphere would be to consider the earth core as frozen rather than superheated where the core is surrounded by heated ligiud plasmaas the result of acting as a heat sink. This nonsense would give pause to those scientists studying magnetism, gravity and gyroscopes. In particular should the inner core be in a rotational mode. hmmm. Cf as we use the word , may be a defense mechanism alone or itmay be a tapping into a " return to phase energy". It's usefulness may ,or may not be possible. For sure we need a new vision. Richard
Black Holes: Power factor correction capacitors
Jones made an interesting comment on a past post regarding black holes which gave me pause and thought. Granted that black holes remain theoretical. We must remember that what is observed in distant space occurred some millions of years ago and is not necessarily indicative of the present. Black holes may be nature's way of " balancing the equation" or the action similar to a capacitor. This seeming absurd conjecture could lead to " crazies" thinking in terms of " the other side" but. another view may be closer to Grimer's writing oncompreture ( inverse of temperature)than we realize. Tesla stated he knew how to transmit electricity wireless.. hmmm. How does all thsi nonsense apply to vortex? A clue may bein remembering the Ranque- Hilsch vortex tube design used for cooling by applying a high speed air vortex. Recall the tube produces heat at one end and cool at the other. Now consider the earth pictured as two vortex joined at the base ( two cones joined at the point) . If these imaginary vortex were conceived as two vortex tubes.. and they produced cold at the north and south pole and heat at the points, they would describe a weather scenario. Grimer seemingly alluded to this without recognizing the stimuli his comments had on others. A comment regarding the ancient Arabic maps triggered my search and produced the interesting map of Antarctic.. sans snow cover. http://www.wwatching.net/enigma_ancient_maps.htm#Antarctica The question of how the mapmakers could draw a seacoast and elevations to an area covered in snow has been a mystery. The answer may be no snow was present when they mapped. Consider the socalled migration of the pre-indian from Asia across the Bering to Alaska. Supposedly the land mass was fully frozen permitting the trek. Few are foolish to venture out in subzero temperature to explore the unknown. The better explanation is the land mass across the Bering was hospitable for travel including available food and water. Another mystery is the vanishing Anazasi indian in the southwestern tip of Colorado around year 1200 AD. A major century long weather phenomena ? I mentoned to Jones on a post that one proof of his observation may be that the poles are covered with snow. The earth may be act as a " heat sink" and the temperature changes happen in phase as natural space capacitors charge and dischage to maintain order out of chaos. Whats the point of this conjecture??? Capacitors both store energy and are used for power correction. If a black hole exists, it has a purpose in nature. The black hole theory is usually depicted as a vortex. It is seething with energy. Vortexians are diligently searching for CF. Perhaps any attempt to " capture " it will be met with a defense mechanism, and perhaps we may should look at defense mechanisms as a clue. Richard
Fw: Toward the Next Crusade
- Original Message - From: RC Macaulay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Toward the Next Crusade Calm down Fred. You make a valuable contribution to Vortex and yourideas are both inspiring and thought provoking. At the risk of being banned from the group, permit me to state that personal recriminations are not necessary to makeone's point. The health and vitality of the group is enhanced by the different views expressed provided they act to teach and provoke thought. Disagreements should be candid without being discordant. Forgive me if I have offended your sense of propriety in my views. They may not be your views..but they are candid. There are other that also make a donation to Bill Beaty. My views often differ from his , however, I truly enjoy the discourse. Richard - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Toward the Next Crusade RC Macaulay wrote: I will not make an apology for expressing my views on cultures. Let facts be submitted to a candid world ! Richard Fine! Do it on some chat room, not on this list. I'm not about to make a donation to Bill Beaty to listen to your crap or any other way off topic Bovine Feces. Vortex-l was a Think Tank- knowledge poolnow it's turned into a Drunk Tank-cesspool pool that is driving away the intelligent contributors. Frederick
Re: Toward the Next Crusade
Grimer wrote.. It seems to me that the Crusader Particle would be a good name for the materon/epo since like crusaders of yore it carries a cross (the plus sign) and a sword, the negative sign.Not a politically correct suggestion, I know, butin the week following the London bombings I amgetting the feeling that a showdown between the christian west and the muhammadan east is onlya matter of time. Cultures eminate from religious doctrines. The showdown began in 600 AD with the beginning of the doctrine of " fatalism" expounded by Muhammed. An analogy can be drawn by the story of the Muslin truck driver. Should the truck break down just over the hill on a dark road, the Muslim would leave the truck in the middle of the road. Anyone killed by crashing into the truck would be the will of Allah. However, a Christian truck driver would think.. better push the truck off to the side to avoid anyone running into the truck and killing themselves. This simple analogy is the essence of the two cultures. One fatalistic and one hopeful. One based on evil and one on good.Richard
Re: Toward the Next Crusade
Richard wrote.. This simple analogy is the essence of the two cultures. One fatalistic and one hopeful. One based on evil and one on good. Ed and Jed are correct stating this group should focus on science. Cultural studies are a science. Allow me to correct my wording to.. One "rooted" in evil and one "rooted" in good. The subject is the difference in cultures and my opinion the two cultures differbecause ofreligious doctrine. The analogy I drew regarding truck drivers came from a report by a medical team from Texas Medical Center Houston returning from a summer in Uganda Africa. They were overwhelmed by the suffering of the people and their medical needs. The soldiers of dictator Ida Amin had raped and infected a large segment of the women with AIDS, adding to an already medical nightmare. One of the medical team overheard a native use the analogy to explain the difference in the two cultures. I thought it profound in its simplistic view. I will not make an apology for expressing my views on cultures. Let facts be submitted to a candid world ! Richard
Re: Toward the Next Crusade
Title: Re: Toward the Next Crusade Evil is the root cause of despair. Richard - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: Re: Toward the Next Crusade A culture of despair has displaced a culture of hope.Despair tends to foster a belief in fatalism.Now ask yourself what is the cause of despair. HarryRC Macaulay wrote: Richard wrote..This simple analogy is the essence of the two cultures. One fatalistic and one hopeful. One based on evil and one on good.Ed and Jed are correct stating this group should focus on science. Cultural studies are a science.Allow me to correct my wording to.. One "rooted" in evil and one "rooted" in good.The subject is the difference in cultures and my opinion the two cultures differ because of religious doctrine.The analogy I drew regarding truck drivers came from a report by a medical team from Texas Medical Center Houston returning from a summer in Uganda Africa. They were overwhelmed by the suffering of the people and their medical needs. The soldiers of dictator Ida Amin had raped and infected a large segment of the women with AIDS, adding to an already medical nightmare.One of the medical team overheard a native use the analogy to explain the difference in the two cultures. I thought it profound in its simplistic view.I will not make an apology for expressing my views on cultures. Let facts be submitted to a candid world !Richard
Re: The summer of MAHG
Jones wrote.. There are three 'coincidences' with this device which seem to make it different. Therefore, even though the device was built to accomplish one goal, it appears closer to being the serendipitous discovery of an interlocking set of operating parameters - which accomplish an even grander goal than it was originally intended to do. I am amazed at the insight displayed by this writing. It is difficult to comment one a single point without including another. I believe the most important message delivered is the possibility that it may be the beginning of a door opening to... as Jones stated.. an even grander goal. Back when the Manhatten project was shifted into high gear it seemed an excitement toward discovery permeated science. What would it take to energize such a modern day excitement ? Interesting op-ed piece in Sunday's paper re: Three good reasons why $ 60 oil should worry us ( writer Paul Roberts) Richard
Pharmaceuticals
John.Rudiger wrote on the home on LaGrange thread... Australia was the last country in the "Western World" to ban the use ofHeroine as a prescription pain killer. Medical Practitioners to this datestill claim that heroine is one of the best drugs available (better and withless side effects than morphine) for chronic pain management? Australiafinally bent to the pressure of "International Interests" (had something todo with USA/Australia trade agreements) and banned its use because it is an"Evil" drug Sound similar to what was done in the USA regarding "IndianHemp" early last century? Drugs are " cidf" (cash in da fist). The US government funded research in so called " medical" drugs has reached unprecedented dollar amounts. The designer drugs and now biogenetic research funds are the " fuel" for the Texas Medical Center in Houston. Much so that two of the major players ( Methodists and Baptists hospitals) have split and now been fighting over the goodies. Add Bush bill for medicare prescription drugs that bends the budget some 400 bil..oops..make that 800 bil and we see some real money changing hands. Dare to go up against this " cartel" and get smashed. Enter now the " allergy " type drugs. Few had allergies three generations ago. Now it is common for a test at the doctors to show that of 100 base allergens, a person may be allergic to more than 50. Hmmm! Does that sound like the modern day British tactic of subduing the Chinese 2 centuries ago with opium? Last count, the numbers of researchers in medicine, heart,cancer and now AIDS research and the combined dollars spent in these catagories of research makefusion energyresearch funding seem like peanuts. What we need is a scantily clad girlwaering a Harley shirt draped across the hood of a CF drag racer. Ya gotta sell the sizzles if ya wanta make a buck!! Richard
LaGrange Texas
I live 12 miles outside of LaGrange Texas, better known for the famous Texas " chicken ranch" ( the greatest little whore house in Texas) where no politician on his way to Austin was ever turned away without be " serviced". Alas! the ranch is long gone but the world of politics has remained. The only difference is the old timers traded chickens for favors and the new politicians trade favors for chickenfeed. Richard
Re: Home on LaGrange
The two S's . Staven and Stephen present a valid solution to drugs as many have proposed over the decades since China woke up one morning with a drug problem " Opium wars" The wicked witch of the west caught a splash of water in the face and went down screaming.. you wretched child !! you've destroyed my beautiful wickedness.. I hate you, I hate you !! I even hate your dog... Any attempt to thwart the flow of drugs will be met with like opposition.. get your bucket ready if you want to put out the fire burning the straw man. Richard
Ozone- new technology
Ah! Ozone.. Surely there is a better technology to use for generating ozone gas for disinfecting water in quanities. The systems I have seen appear stone age. Somebody out there has generated ozone using another technology that may fit what I am looking for. Richard
Re: MAHG: How does H2 avoid..
Michael Huffman wrote... My picture is of a somewhat variable elastic H atom that is able absorb and store some of the energy of the impact of H+H recombination but not enough to allow an H2 molecule to stay together until a sufficient amount of energy has been stored in the two individual atoms. It could well be that immediately after the initial dissociation, the H atoms have dropped to a lower energy state, "shrunk", as Dr. Mills describes it, and that it takes many repeated attempts at recombination before the two atoms have enough energy stored internally that they are able to permanently reunite. In the shrunken state, they are simply not elastic enough to absorb the impact and stay together.Another key to whether or not the two atoms stay together has to do with the distance traveled for them to reunite. As the two atoms approach each other, they are accelerating due to Casimir forces. With each successive attempt to reunite, a portion of the impact energy is internalized by the individual atoms, giving them more elasticity. The distance that they travel apart from each other upon blowing apart again is shorter, making the next attempt to reunite more likely for success until finally, a balance or equilibrium state is achieved. Interesting vision and description of H2 events by Michael. Now consider the atoms entering and exiting as being shaped like a vortex and the picture would be remarkably similar to our observationsof watervortexes created in our plexiglas test tank. Not nearly as random in formation and collapse as a casual observor would imagine. Richard
Re: Is 2.5 Hz a Natural energy...
Jones wrote.. is there any place where onemight expect to see large scale evidence of such an effect - in terms ofenergy being "coupled" but in a place where it shouldn't be? Yes Jones.. Arctic and antarctic. Shouldn't be snowpacks that deep. Can't happen. Richard
Re: Large increase in PV solar energy production
Jed wrote.. The "Wind Force 12 Plan" calls for wind power to supply 12% of world electricity by 2020. . . . The plan calls for 1,245,000 MW total wind capacity, 26 times more than we now have.I have wondered if anyone has built a windmill like the Schauberger theme . Shortcut to: http://home5.swipnet.se/%7Ew-58759/windmill/windmill.html Richard
Re. The BEAP hypothesis
Grimer wrote.. The situation is completely analogous to the Alpha-atmospheric (A-a) pressure environment. The ambient atmospheric pressure is 14.7 pounds per square inch (psi). Any pressure below 14.7 psi is a vacuum of some degree. Unfortunately, long ago the electron was arbitrarily assigned a negative sign for its electric charge and the proton a positive sign which doesn't help. And I'm afraid it ain't possible to change them over now with causing horrendous confusion. One will just have to think of negative charges as being at positive B-a electric pressure, i.e. above external ambient, and positive charges as being at negative B-a electric pressure, i.e. below external ambient. I like the wayFrank thinks. Way back in my salad days a like question arose regarding " accurate" flow measurement. There ain't no such animal. Every measurement is " differential" measurementincluding the fallacy of 14.7 PSIA. Richard
Re: Hydrogen ICE Hybrids
Terry, Our local county has been providing some alternate design concepts to TxDot's new TransTexas Corridor plan for the state ( TxDot's plan includes a 1200 foot wide transportation corridor containing lanes set aside for rail, autos, trucks, busses plus pipeline and electric powerline easements).Our alternate design uses existing rights of way on the freeways. I have the drawings etc. in pdf if you would like me to email you. The alternate concept is based on a uni-x-rail that can be adapted to mag-lev and/or electric rail. Richard - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: Hydrogen ICE Hybrids We are studying a small rail system for inner Atlanta called the Beltline Project. The type of vehicle is wide open and we are presently looking at Innorail recently implemented in Bordeaux, Fr. Here's a coworker's paper on it if interested: trb.org/publications/circulars/ec058/15_02_Swanson.pdf Well, as so often happens, I opened my big mouth and asked why we don't do something sustainable and altruistic for the vehicles like a hydrogen ICE hybrid. Everyone liked the fact that it would make world news and thought they could get funding from new sources for such. sigh Has anyone heard of any large ICEs being fueled by hydrogen?
Re: [OT] Transit Alert
Are you referring to contractors like Spaw-Glass Inc. Contractors of Nashville , now controlled by mideastern group? Richard - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: [OT] Transit Alert We have just been told to shut down all our contracts and send the contractors home. I understand this is for all mass-transit systems in the US. Has anyone heard that they suspect contractors planted bombs in London???
Re: OT July 4
Jones, True of Mike's writing... well said, insightful and informative. Makes me appreciate the company we keep here in Vortex. What a great group.!! Richard - Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: Re: OT July 4 Well said, Mike...
Re: OT Re: July 4
I will pose a question to Terry. What do the small, seemingly obscure sentences in Judges 8: 1-2 seem to you ? ( a member of the tribe of Ephraim speaking to Gideon, a member of the tribe of Manasseh ). Why have you treated us like this? Why didn't you call us when you went to fight Midian? But he answered them, What have I ( Gideon) accomplished compared to you? Aren't the gleaning of Ehpraim's grapes better than the full grape harvest of Abiezer? - From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: Re: OT Re: July 4 From: leaking pen bushs america is not america. You are absolutely correct. It is not clear that it is money which turns the earth, presently lubricated by oil? Does everyone here really believe that it matters which man holds the office of the presidency? The world agenda is set by those in power. Neither Bog nor chaos plays any role in what happens. It is all projected, planned and executed according to the Agenda. You wanna blame someone, blame the Knights Templar. If you know why, then you likely know the truth.
Re: OFF TOPIC Cultural relativity
Richard wrote.. For the past two thousand years man has attempted to understand " Revelation", the last book in the bible. Perhaps this emerging generation will be given the insight of understanding this writing that promises a blessing to all that study the letter from Jesus Christ to the nations. Why did the writer use the word " study" Leaking Pen wrote.. closer to 1700 years. st john the divine is not to be confused withst john the baptist. he lived in roughly 300 ad, and was of a judaicendtimes cult. not a christian. he talks not of a second coming, butof the first coming of the messiah, as he didnt believe jesus was themessiah. just had to correct you there. Pen.. you missed the point. Did you read Revelation ? Did you receive a blessing? It is easy to debate the origin and the secretary that took the dictation... The African bishop Dionysius conjectured the writer was John the Presbyter ( not John the apostle which is clearly the secretary as confirmed by Justin Martyr a hundred years before Dionysius was born) whose name appears in other writings. Some still follow the belief of Dionysius but the external evidence overwhelmingly supports the traditional view that John the Apostle was the secretary. Regardless, the wording is the issue. The person that put the words to paper took dictation direct from the angel of Christ Jesus as the writer so states. To present an argument over the " secretary" is irrelevant.. John the Baptist was not involved ,past being an early voice proclaiming Jesus has come in the flesh. The Baptist had his head served on a platter for daring to challenge a woman's right to marry her husband's brother .Shehad her daughter do an Arab version of a lap dance for hubbie # 2 in trade for the Baptist head, which only demonstrates times ain't changed much in the world. Richard
Re: OFF TOPIC Cultural relativity
Reading these posts can become addictive. Some of the insight is profound. Lets continue the post and include more comments. The world is blessed with writers with insight and they have provided us partial answers to trends in world cultural shifts. Unfortunately, their insight is predicated on studying the past in hopes of providing answers for the future. The book " Future Shock" gave us insight into a trend we are witnessing today. The trend identifies what takes place when a generation is born in the thros of change. Their inclination is to accept change without question. However, as the writer predicted, unless there is continious change, they rebel and force change regardless of meritbecause they are in the habit. This habit of change is in conflict with older generations in every culture in the world. Couple this with the rise of mega world financial systems , be they EXXons, WalMarts, Citibanks, GE's, Siemens, Mitsuibishis, et.al., that have an impact on culture yet to beunderstood. Fold into the batter of change a helping of mega technology and education for flavor, add mega world organized crime forseasoning and stir while blending cultures and religions, politics and reconceptualizing society and we have one heck of a changing scenario that defies any understanding of true direction. Place in the oven of old energy concepts and try to get a rise out of the leavening of laws of human nature. For the past two thousand years man has attempted to understand " Revelation", the last book in the bible. Perhaps thisemerging generation will be given the insight of understanding this writing that promises a blessing to all that study the letter from Jesus Christ to the nations. Why did the writer use the word " study" ? Richard
Re: More on the iESi CF Technology
Jed, This should get you to the links on the nozzles Dynaflow has done extensive work and testing of various nozzles as thier website indicates. Never could understand how they could spend that much money and effote until I found their website and learned they use " Uncle Fed" for research funding. A careful study of their papers qualify tests as " possible". http://www.dynaflow-inc.com/ http://blake.montclair.edu/~kowalskil/cf/229gnedenko.html Richard
Re: More on the iESi CF Technology
Another link on Kowalski http://blake.montclair.edu/~kowalskil/cf/ Richard
Re: proposed fusion reactor
Terry.. What supposedly happened at ITT, my early years employer ? Richard - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: Re: proposed fusion reactor From: Christopher Richard Hall knows what happened at ITT and he also said he knows about an event that occurred with the fusor that had to be kept secret. Maybe someone would like to ask him about that? While you are at it - say hello for me. Which Richard Hall? Formerly of the NSA? http://www.hallrichard.com/
Re: Cluster Impact Fusion (CIF)
Grimer wrote...This is a truly wonderful piece of experimental evidence. All it lacks is an explanation of what'sgoing on. http://www.dynaflow-inc.com/ http://blake.montclair.edu/~kowalskil/cf/ Interesting observation Frank. I wasthinking aboutthe impact while thinking about the JLN Labs demo posted on their website regarding the "Coanda Effect". JLN video of a compressed air stream impacting a bowl shaped surface produces the Coanda effect which actuallydraws the flat surface toward the air stream. One of Dynaflow's research papers ( many posted on their website) also seems to allude to the cluster effect . Since Vortexians are far out by nature I also considered the " flat surface" may be a cleverly withheld bit of information. Could it bethat the Coanda Effectwas present in their experiment. I don't recall mention of materials of the 'flat surface". Call me simple but I look for a reaction for each action. Perhaps an explanation is in the realm of " reaction". Richard
Re: More on the iESi CF Technology
Looking at the Russian patent drawing in the link by Dr. Arrison, the nozzle configuration looks like a knockoff of DynaFlow Inc patented nozzles. DynaFlow has the advantage of SBA grants for innovative research because they know how to write a grant. Richard
Re: Methane and LENR in Ball Lightning
Jones wrote, Grimer wrote.. Professor James Tuck had access to a submarine battery redundant from another experiment at Los Alamos. After many attempts to create a ball lightning discharge -which failed- he enclosed the switchgear in a small cellophane box and added a low concentration of methane to it. When the switch was turned it produced a sheet of flame, a thundering roar, and removed the roof from the building. The film of the event showed a ball of light about 10cm in diameter. I saw ball lightning producedduring the 1933 hurricane in LaPorte Texas. The lightning was severe and while watching from an upstairs window at around 3 am, a bolt struck across the road into a ravine. The vertical light produced seemsed to fragment into vertical segments and remain in that form for a few seconds. I watched three or more balls near the base of the vertical bolt segments " float" down toward the ground and disappear into the undergrowth in the ravine. The actual " balls" appeared to be on fire with a trailing tail at the top similar to candle flame. I recall this event must have lasted 5-10 seconds until the balls vanished. My estimate of the ball diameterwas volleyballsize based on the distance from my point of view ( about 500 feet) Our home was was located about 2500 feet from Galveston bay which opens into the gulf of Mexico. I learned at a tender age to NEVER mention what I saw because of the ridicule. Later attending a special school in the US Navy, our Lt. Commander flatly stated I was lying. It wasn't until I saw a pic of a Japanese lab experiment in the 1980's that confirmed ball lightning that most of the physics community came around to believing. I have never met another person that said they had actually witnessed this type of event. Since that time, I have considered there are many forms of whatmay bedescribed as ball lightning. Richard
Re: 1/f noise was More MAHG BLP
Stephen , you may add to the spinning top the silver dollar spin.Spinning a new silver dollar on a hard clean flat surface can be a study in itself considering the amount of energy released across the entire range of spin until it is perfectly still. Even in its final throws of decay, the coin seems to increase its " attempt" to continue to rotate. Once had a friend say he could hear music from the fillings in his teeth. Always got a laugh. We tried an experiment . He sat in another room while we had an AM radio playing popular music. He couldn't hear the radio from his location but he could tell us what melody was playing. Wasn't until years later I mentioned this to my dentist. He said keep it down.. he had patients mention the same thing and felt they were imagining things. Richard
Re: New search engine
R.C Macaulay wrote.. Having mentioned in prior posts my interest in "quadratic computing" ( use of 4 computers rather than 2 ( parallel computing),Stephen Lawrence wrote... 4 computers? I don't understand. The concept of using 4 computer in quad form rather than parallel. The thought being of borrowing from a qaudratic equation type architecture. Two of the computer being for the purpose of " mirroring" a 3 d image segment of a variable.These values are in analog format and must be converted to digital . They can be digitized by taking a " snapshot" of the image which also provides a time link.The third computer would handle the differential and used to " bias" the 4th computer which is formulating the completion of the equation. Difficult to describe. The idea comes fromthinking of the function of asimple electronic process controller with proportional and reset plus derivitive action. One can imagine the number of computers in cluster that " quadratic" programmming may bypass.There are some wizzs playing with this concept that should get together with the guys that put XBox and Game Boy together. May seem in the realm of imaginary mathematics way beyond present levels , however, the science community is beginning to reach its limits in existing math formulation. Where is the next Newton ?? He may be 7 years old with an XBoxon each hip instead of six shooter cap pistols. Richard
Re: [O.T].. the aliens are become my friends
Grimer wrote.. 107:10. Moab the pot of my hope. Over Edom I will stretch out my shoe: the aliens are become my friends. My bible reads Psalms 107:10 Some sat in darkness and the deepest gloom,prisoners suffering in iron chains, (11) for they had rebelled against the word of God. Obviously . the magnetized coil of wire acted as it is supposed to when connected to electric power. " it rose attempting to beat a hasty EXODUS".. You didn't mention if the experimenter was holding the wire while drinking a"long neck"which could better explain seeing aliens. A long neck is a shape of beer bottle designed specifically to grasp and hold onto to keep from falling off the stool while seeing all sorts of things such as hamburger plates disguised as saucers etc. Richard
Re: New Search Engine
Stephen Lawrence wrote I'm over at http://www.physicsinsights.org/The Glue Function is a fascinating study. Did you compose these works Stephen? Having mentioned in prior posts my interest in "quadratic computing" ( use of 4 computers rather than 2 ( parallel computing), I am elated to find someone with another " piece" of the programming puzzle. Quadratic computing is possible whereas quantum computing is an imaginary concept at best. I predict the next generation of mathematics will make use of 3D graphics in tracing the assumed solution backwards thru the steps of the equation.. a kind of " through the looking glass concept." I think Stephen has part of the picture of this concept rolling around in his thought process. What amazes me is that the guys that put GameBoy and Xbox together have most of the3D graphics portionof the programming solved for quadratic computing .. they dont see it in front of their eyes. Richard
Re: Loopy field lines
Grimer wrote One can rush in and utter terrible heresies in all innocence. Many a true word is spoken in jest. What is amazing is the stimuli stirred by such. For example, The main vortex cone produced in our glass water test tank by the high rotational speed of a distributor sheds mini vortices. These short , tight, self contained vortexes have no typical cone shaped configuration. They are more similar to a spiral helix. They form and decay within 1-2 seconds. Loopy field lines insitu?? hmmm Richard
Re: Electrospray Ionization (ESI)
Bill Beaty wrote.. "so the Triboelectric Series for cotton touchingRayon (etc.) does not apply. That's how "anti static dryer sheets" work" Interesting instructions given in Exodus and Leviticus regarding the garments to be worn by the high priest.. linen with gold adornments. No wool or cotton mixed with linen. Throw in the Urim and Thurim which may be amber stones Considering the account of the helpful hand trying to steady the Arch of the Covenant and getting himself killed for the effort begs the question... did these people have access to technologyfor which we are searching the CF frontier? Richard
Re: V ortex steam- dissociation hydrogen generator
Jones wrote... Taking Fred's "steam electricity" posting to the next level - can the self-generated electricity phenomena of steam be used in situ - to any net energy benefit? or stated another wayCan two wrongs (near misses) ever make a right?Most everyone on this forum is familiar with the RHVT (Ranque-Hilsch Vortex Tube) and with steam-dissociation (thermolysis or pyrolysis) which is high temperature steam splitting as a source of hydrogen, with or without added electrical input.Both of these are *inefficient processes,* in one sense. Even when concentrated solar energy is used as a heat source, thermolysis has never made much of an impact (as much as scientific logic seems to indicate that it should have). And the vortex tube is little more than a novelty.The RHVT is inefficient, sure, but that is *only* as a cooling device; and thermolysis is inefficient as a source of hydrogen, primarily because of *recombination* losses prior to separation of the hydrogen from the steam. These problems may have seemed insurmountable, but Can these two near misses be combined synergistically to overcome the weakness of each in a single device?The Beck Patent is a step in the right direction - but it does not go far enough... Thoughtful insight Jones has, coupled with Fred's ability to keep honest people honest. Richard
Texas Genco- an ongoing saga
Welcome to Texas where nobody's life nor property is safe when the Texas Leg is in session. Keep you eye on the magician's sparkler. If you take you eyes off you not be playing according to the rules. Once upon a time there was a company called Houston Lighting and Power ( HLP). It was a wonderful company making money. The same guys that sold the king his new set of clothes got control of it and split it into Reliant, spun off Centerpoint and Genco and a few other entities we wont mention. The Texas Leg agreed the powerplants and the South Texas Nuclear plant was worthless and they worked a deal so the investors could recover their " stranded costs". A cute description for " we got stuck with junk" and its all the State's fault. The state puts up the bonds for sale to pay the power companies who in turn will raise the rates to pay the bonds. They will also close down the old plants because of the cost of installing pollution control systems. Or rather, thats the story told the public. They actually sell the plants to the next guy down the ladder and they come to the state with the same story. Meanwhile Reliant and others saw a birdnest on the ground and suddenly the old plants would cost " much" more to shutdown after the auditors and CEO's finished adding numbers to cucumbers while performing wonders. In the ongoing saga of Texas,A group of investors took Genco private last December for $ 3.7 bil.This week they announced theyplanned to sell $ 600 mil in stock in a public offering which isnear the $781milof cash they actually used to buy the 3.7 Bil Genco. Genco owns 11,122 megs of power capacity including 44% of the nuke plant that costs 8-13 bil alone to build . Goldman Sachs is part of the deal making it fun because they have a power trading company that just happens to be under contract for 25% of Genco's capacity thru 2009. There is gold in them thar hills!! no wonder Bush is not interested in solving the energy and pollution problems we have. He and Wall Street HAVE the solution Rob everyone blind and form a committee to study windmills.
Re: High Efficency Therionic to Electric Heat Conversion
Mark, Thanks for posting the link. The Chorus motor claims are also interesting. I asked them for info on motor power efficency. Richard
Re: CF Colloquium/Tribute to Dr.Mallove
Dr.Swartz, Thanks for the post. Uplifting. Richard
Re: Alternate Explanations for Cold Fusion ?
John, Sometimes we try to go to far in attempting to please opposition. In the case of CF, it is only necessary to call attention to a common "physics demonstration of CF". That demonstration is evidenced by hailstones. The weather experts have various explanations for them however the best explanation for how hailstones are created is by studying a Ranque- Hilsch vortex tube. In a thunderstorm, vortexes form. Some result in tornados, some form a type of vortex tube where the Ranque-Hilsch effect is created and moisture laden air is separated and exited from the vortex. The low temperature exit can be below the freezing temperature forming ice crystals. The high speed syclone rotation of the " tube" produces the characteristic shapes of hail stones. Unbelievably, some of these ice particles are so huge they are fragmented inside the tube and exit as ball the size of grapefruit as well as ice fragments.Some reportedice fragmentsare described as huge ice boulders . Some describe this effect as CF because of the energy produced/consumed cannot be explained by " natural physics". There is so much we see daily in nature that begs the question " whats going on here". However,the incidents are so common the reality is lostin the habit of oversight. Richard
Re: Alternate Explanations for Cold Fusion?
While on the subject of CF. The reports resulting from CF research tests indicate some otherwise unexplained energy release.This may be a reactive attempt by mother nature to protect her own, A Jealous and modest protective woman can react in strange ways. What is presently described as evidence of CF may only be the " wake" left by the reaction of the woman. When the secrets for extracting a cold form of energy (CF) from the atom arrives it maybe from the study of lightning and the riddle solved by a higher form of mathematics only now in the conceptual stages. Webelieve weknow what forms lightning. We knowthe stage is set duringwith weather disturbances, yet some "dry lightning" happens. What we believe lightning tobemay not be correct. The sheer raw energy release is beyond present measurement. We do not know how to identify all the bi-products formed by the release of such an energy burst. What is it exactly? Or as Clinton would say .. it depends on what is .. is Richard
Re: Disruptive Technology in the making
Steven mentions SBC in his comments on Vonage. Vonage is already in the USA as part owner of the telecon industries. Some actually believe SBC, Verizon, Cingular and ATT are competitors. Lets look at them: SBC just bought ATT, Verizon( the old General Telephone or later GTE, Cingular is SBC and Atlanta Bell in drag. Verizon and Vonage are joined at the hip.The CEO's of each are hand picked by Wall Street ( your local friendly banker named CITI and Chase. The Texas leg just finished the deal allowing SBC et al to engage in telecon via tv without control by individual cities in Texas. This means TimeWarner has a REAL problem along with troubles with AOL. Notice IBM bought a small IT company that has a lock on software for security for banks, credit cards, defense and security issues. The interesting part of this news is that the IT company was funded initially by the CIA.. Hmmm ?? This software is also designed for internet monitors. As the field in telecon narrows it doesn't mean lower costs, the people that run the industry have a firm hand on the direction. Keep your eyes on SBC,,, they have it going for them and they have a way of increasing the price. My Cingular wireless( SBC in drag) charges increased. Richard
Re: test
Perhaps the silence can be attributed to the Bob Lazer article contained in the Las Vegas news.. see link I chuckle at this guy. GM has spent a small fortune researching metal hydrides for storing hydrogen gas safely for automotive use and Bob comes up with a home made 25 ft particle accelerator for hydride concentration. I love it. Look at the video of the pipe coming out of the roof of his garage. He must drive em nuts with his ability to attract the press. Does it work ?? Who knows him well enough to find out. If his work on hydrides represents a valid technology, whoopee doo for him !! Richard http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/category.asp?C=5546nav=168X
Re: (OT) Texas jones and the Lost Ark
Jones wrote.. Maybe that degree of dedicatied wierdness comes with the territory. Oops, sorry Richard, but I was refering to the surname, not the great state of Texas... or as we like to say in May-he-co, Tay-hoss. No hay differencia en punto! Jones. Few can laugh harder at Texas than Texans. The Aggies print the best jokes about themselves. Texas is actually a STATE.. a state ofmind. One of my defining moments was some years ago outside the small town of Hebbronville in the brazada country of south Texas where everything either stinks, stings or sticks. Stopped in the only place open late at night for a cup of coffee. Tiny cantina, two at the bar, one behind, coffee was thick as syrup. Sat watching. Two at the bar holding onto longnecks for fear of falling off their stools. No conversation, just silence. As I looked over to the doorway that would be covered by a board at closing time I noticed a hand written sign.. "If you spit on the floor at home, do it here , because we want you to feel at home" Only in Texas.. my kinda place. And what a shame the news cartoonists can only make fun of "W's" ears when there is so much more to laugh about in Texas. Granted, we sometimes do forget to keep the fences mended and a few strays wander outlike "Texas"Jones. Just shoo him back in !! Richard
Stimulating the imagination
Some design problems have no solution. Some have solutions requiringsmall or severe compromise. Some have beautiful simplistic solutions.Spending countless hours dailyin the design and development of a reactor unit that holds hope for pretreating seawater for reverse osmosis (RO), I often step outside the box and look inside through imaginary windows to see if the components have a hope of fitting and examine my premise. The VortexL group affords me quality stimuli. In turn, I am likewise obligated to the group so..here goes.. CF may only be the " wake" left of something during passing, or passed by. By wake, I mean evidence and reaction. By reaction, I mean an attempt by nature to cover or recover. When mother nature is unveiled, she attempts to cover her nakedness. We see this action take place when a field is plowed. Weeds attempt to cover the naked soil. This may be a clue. An attempt to cover or recover regardless of the worth of the covering( weeds). A hasty improvision if you will. As an old poker playing friend once observed.. this ain't no game for a blind man !! Surely the Vortex group is no place for the timid grin Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Cavitation neutrons-was; Blast from the past-
In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Tue, 17 May 2005 07:15:53-0500:Hi,Hi Robin,The M.W.Youds website mentions patents for his device operating at 7225 RPM to achieve the result he reported. He mentioned gamma radiation present so we are careful.I found loads of stuff on his web page, but no patents. Could yousupply the patent number?[snip]Regards,Robin van Spaandon http://www.vortexi.com/ This is one link that mentions patents although I cannot fit what is what. More details on the device was posted some time back on www,fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/youlds/htm but the Greenfield link has been cut. As is the case for so much posted on the net.. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
OT: Oil for Food fight/ Galloway's retort
Reported by the Washington Bureau written by David Ivanovich. The US Senate received a taste of George Galloway, a member of Parliament from Britain. Responding to a Senate inquiry, Galloway belittled the inquiry as " utterly preposterous" and challenged the Senators on the fairness of the panel that would smear his name " without ever having asked me a single questiuon". Stating " I know that standards have slipped over the last few years here in Washington.. But for a lawyer, you're remarkably cavalier with any idea of justice". Galloway mocked investigators for an error he described as a "schoolboy howler". And in a voice dripping with sarcasm, Galloway questioned the credibility of any information from Ramadan. " He's your prisoner, he's in Abu Ghraib prison. I believe he is facing war crimes, charges punishable by death. Knowing what the world knows about how you treat prisoners in Abu Ghraib.. I'm not sure how much credibility anyone would put on anything you manage to get from a prisoner in those circumstances", US Senators must be careful when debating a member of Parliament , else they wind up on the wrong end of a Shakespearian drama. Never try to teach a Brit the fine art of debate or how to suck eggs. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications
Frank, consider the amount of energy expended daily in the quest to reduce fat. People actually pay money to go to the spa and workout. Couple the electric power output from the treadmill to batteries and the energy problem solves itself. Better still ride a bicycle as we will all be riding one soon enough.. the most efficent form of transportation the world has seen to date. Richard - Original Message - From: Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications At 04:55 pm 18/05/2005 -0400, Jed wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Everything* has been paved over and replaced with fast-food joints, convenience stores and parking lots. They cleaned up the air and water pollution, but apparently it never occurred to anyone that it would be good idea to leave some natural landscape or green spaces so the kids could see trees and grass and sky instead of overhead wires, concrete and pachinko parlors. Surely, man is part of nature, and the Eifel tower is as natural as an ant hill. Or do ants consider all those enormous anthills a blot on their landscape? Speaking as a civil engineer and a christian I'm all for levelling every hill and filling every valley. After all, it's only in the last hundred years or so that people have fallen in love with mountainous landscapes. I suppose if people don't have a god to worship then they will seize upon a golden calf - or nature - or even Elvis Presley and the Beatles. Cheers Frank Grimer
Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past -
Hi Robin, The M.W.Youds website mentions patents for his device operating at 7225 RPM to achieve the result he reported. He mentioned gamma radiation present so we are careful. Our standard gas inductors run at 3450 RPM. We are working on a design for speeds to 10,500 RPM with VFD drive. Design problems with dynamic balancing , shaft bearing and mechanical seal cooling plague us. In the industrial world products must survive 50,000 hours. Richard - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:19 AM Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Mon, 16 May 2005 21:45:43 -0500: Hi Richard, Why precisely 3450 RPM? [snip] Ron, The cavitation products made by Hydro dynamics Inc. apparently differ from the device used by Knuke. Dr. M.W Youds website has a vortex device that may be closer to what Knuke worked with. Youds speculated some events' could occur that may be what happened to Knuke. We keep a gieger counter handy when testing water vortex research devices at rotational speed above 3450 RPM. Richard [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk All SPAM goes in the trash unread.
Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past -
Ron, The cavitation products made by Hydro dynamics Inc. apparently differ from the device used by Knuke. Dr. M.W Youds website has a vortex device that may be closer to what Knuke worked with. Youds speculated some " events' could occur that may be what happened to Knuke. We keep a gieger counter handy when testing water vortex research devices at rotational speed above 3450 RPM. Richard - Original Message - From: Ron Wormus To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - Well I can't answer either of your queries but heres a Co selling a commerical version of Knukes device.http://www.hydrodynamics.com/index.htm--On Monday, May 16, 2005 5:29 PM -0400 revtec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The silence is deafening. I have been waiting impatiently for Jones or someone to respond to these posts by Knuke and speculate on how a home brew cavitating turbine, spiked with mere traces of fissionable material, can within five seconds of operation deliver a near lethal dose of radiation! Dosn't this level of performance makes the Huffman machine the Mother of all LENR devices? Someone more skilled than I in the "art of duplicating" needs to check this out! Is the silence on the subject due to the fact that every Vortex member with facilities is doing just that? Jeff P.S. I at least thought someone might imply that the account was impossible and then back up their position with some "unasailable" theorizing. - Original Message - From: "Michael Huffman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:15 AM Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - Moin Jeff. The runaway events happened on the first model that I built. I did these runs in my kitchen less than a foot away from these radioactive tiles, but I had no clue that they were radioactive until later. While trying to get a subsequent model to do the runaway thing again, I came up with the crazy idea of lacing the water, thinking that it may have played a roll. I used the geiger counter quite a bit while wiping down the tiles, but didn't turn it on for the initial test run itself. I was in a hurry, and wanted to see what would happen. Now I know. This is all in the VG archives, if you want to download all of those huge files and run text searches. At Bill Beaty's website there used to be a photo of the first model, torn down, and sitting on my kitchen counter. One more word of warning though, if you go onto Bill Beaty's website, leave a trail of breadcrumbs or make bookmarks or something so that you don't get lost. Whenever I visit Bill's website, I always get lost for hours, if not days. It's pretty weird in there. Knuke Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2005 23:26 schrieb revtec: - Original Message - From: "Michael Huffman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past -I reread your article in 1995 vol. 1 , no. 1of IE which concluded with your impending success. What happened? Didn't your next model work? I recall knowing about your kitchen sheathed in yellow cake tiles, but can't recall if you told me that or if it was mentioned in a subsequent article that I am yet to rediscover. The implication was that the runaway operation was possibly caused because the experiment was surrounded by radioactive walls. I don't recall that you ever indicated that you used uranium laced water to fuel the turbine. Was it during the runaway describe in the article that you suffered injury or was it during a later experiment? Jeff
Re: Fission 'diodes' and one-way criticality
Robin, There is a belt of hot water wells that traverse across Texas from Kilgore to Laredo. Many of these wells have a high H2S content . Along with the belt is lignite coal deposits. Yellowcake has been mined along the western extremity by Amoco in past years. Do you suppose we have a natural reaction taking place that results in the hot water ? Richard - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Fission 'diodes' and one-way criticality In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 12 May 2005 21:23:04 -0700: Hi, [snip] The natural reactor at Oklo occurred 2 million years ago when all the uranium on earth was of significantly higher enrichment then it is now. According to http://www.curtin.edu.au/curtin/centre/waisrc/OKLO/When/When.html, this was 2 billion (not million) years ago, and the U235% then would have been about 7.9% if I did the sums right. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk All SPAM goes in the trash unread.
Popular Science Jume 2007 Einstein Master of the Universe
If they say so, it must be true. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Popular Science Jume 2007 Einstein Master of the Universe
OOPS!! June 2005 issue - Original Message - From: RC Macaulay To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 9:14 PM Subject: Popular Science Jume 2007 Einstein" Master of the Universe" If they say so, it must be true. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: non-looping smot
Frank, When I consider a tool for analysis of the SMOT , I keep returning to the thought of quadratic computing. Such a system for mathematical modeling would permit the answer to be loaded and the formula derived.. hehe.. the ultimate in reverse engineering. hmmm,, not so far out ..considering the 3D graphics software available. Richard - Original Message - From: Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:56 PM Subject: RE: non-looping smot At 06:48 pm 13-05-05 -0400, Keith wrote: I hadn't really thought of that...a funny image, that. All the same, it seems clear from experiment that multiple ramps can be joined in a line. Perhaps as you say, after many such ramps the ball will peter out, hooking somewhere between the exit and entrance. It would seem like frictional losses would mount as you progressed down the line. Yet each ramp could also been seen to be adding a certain amount of energy, to be subtracted on the return trip. It'd really be better to focus on one ramp, and the critical return circuit. I suggested to Greg, with the usual utter lack of acknowledgement, that this would be his unique piece of IP to be patented. The heart and soul of the SMOT. The ramp had already been done by someone else, as I mentioned. He claimed to have not followed up on Emil Hartman, but someone should, probably an interesting story there. K. If the SMOT does actually work I can see theoretical reasons why it might. In effect one would be taking the ball around a generalized Carnot cycle with magnetic field stress as the analog of pressure and gravity as the analogue of temperature. I discussed the hierarchical nature of the Carnot cycle in one of my previous emails. If you think about it carefully, the magnetic field is stretching the ball horizontally and the gravitational field is stretching the ball vertically. === In Hoc Signo Vinces ;-) === Also, because the two effects are acting at right angles they are acting as virtually independent variables like finite x and y dimensions. I shall do as you suggest and look at Naudin's site more thoroughly. If the effect is real then it could depend on the orientation of the apparatus in relation to the fixed stars for the reasons discussed on Ing.Saviour's web-site some time ago. However, like the Wright brothers flight, it only needs one legitimate example for PoP. Cheers Frank Grimer P.S. I have just re-read your post above and realise that you make a very important observation: Yet each ramp could also been seen to be adding a certain amount of energy, to be subtracted on the return trip. If orientation in space is important then it will be impossible to close the circle since energy will indeed be gained in one direction but lost in the reverse.
Re: OT: Natioanl ID card
Hi Keith, Yes, I noticed the report about legislation in Congress regarding the national ID card. In Texas, there is a bill pending that permits the Texas Dept. of Transportation ( TxDot) to implant a transponder into each new vehicle registration sticker that affixes to the windshield. This law should go into effect Jan 2006. The reported purpose is for use on Tollways. Permanent EZ tag if you will. However the transponder will have imbedded data identifying the registrant that includes everything found on you drivers liscense application ( not just whats on your drivers liscense). The report is that when you enter a tollway you will be billed for that use. BUT an uninsured vehicle can be recognized and sent a $ 250.00 fine for driving without liability insurance. Now couple that with the national ID and we get a better view of where the Homeland Security laws are headed. AND.. couple that with the new IRS plan to "privatize" collections of past due IRS taxes to Washington law firm who will receive a portion of all past due taxes collected similar to Texas law regarding real estate taxes "farmed out collectors i.e law firms" Notwithstanding , a person can "jimmy" the transponder, an illegal alien wont have a liscense sticker to begin with much less insurance. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Name of the Game
Hi Jones, We are in an ever increasing state of change in the world to which a significant factor is the computer and its manifestations like the internet, the X Box and an increase in worldwide scientific cumulative understanding. I mentioned a tiny segment of change coming in mathematics wrought by such seeming unrelated items like the XBox. Back in 1990, Rice University embarked on a " parallel computing" project that has since moved on. The task was almost insurmountable in 1990 yet today XBox and Game boy has some of the software completed to handle parallel. The task is ,of course , to connect the software of 4 computer integral to achieve " quadratic computing' rather than parallel. Quantum computing has been mentioned ,however, this is an imaginary concept whereas quadratics are now achievable with existing software.. albeit in bits a pieces awaiting the math minds assmbling such into useful tools. There are perhaps 25 or more persons in the world that arelooking atthis very challenge in quadratic computing including youngwizards as young as 7 years old. The youth of today are subliminally aware of change and participate willingly regardless of its true worth. This bothers me because it has no base of goodness or decency. Whatis seen as a cultural gap is actually a restructuring of "classes". The wealthy and educated are moving further apart into a " class" that will take another generation to fully recognize.. yet it is presently exemplified in legislative laws passed at thedirectionof paid lobbyists. Not so much wealthy individuals as wealthy organizations and the hierachy represented by the people that control them.. This is the new " class " emerging. I describe these people as .. ones that have unlimited wealth at their command without actually " owning " the wealth themselves. Enron's leaderswith Enron's resources at their command.. soon became obsessed with the notion they "owned" the place and were immune to law. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: 1997-2005 the missing SMOT years
Grimer wrote Now the implication of the magnetic lines of force not being orthogonal to the current carrying wire is that they form a tightly wind spiral which starts and finished at a charged particle. In short the charge particle is acting as a turbine taking in Chi-aether [chi being the Greek equivalent of X, the unknown ;-) ]at its south magnetic pole, say, and pumping it out at its north magnetic pole.Because of the obvious reciprocal relationship between E and M as manifest by the function of inductors and capacitors in electrical circuits for example, I have never been able to understand why if a spiral electric flux in a coil produces a linear magnetic flux along the axis of that coil, a magnetic flux in a high permeability magnetic coil doesn't produce a electric flux along the axis of that magnetic coil.I have no idea how easy it is to produce a magnetic coil - or indeed if it is practical at all - but its such an obvious thing to do that I imagine people must have done it and found nothing interesting.I now realise that I am possible looking at things the wrong way. The electric helical flux produces an effect one hierarchy down, i.e. at the magnetic flux level. Therefore one might expect a magnetic flux to also produce an effect one stage down.But what is one stage down? Perhaps it is gravity. So although SMOT is experimentally as vacuous as a man trying to fly by flapping his arms, the intuition underlying it is perfectly reasonable. Frank, the spiral ring helixobserved in a water vortex is, as Schauberger stated, a " reverse flow". Centrifugal and centripetal forces within the confines of the parabolic cone of the liquid spiral scream to us that the inner face " must" be smooth. It is NOT,it isringed with spirals. Magnetic lines of force acting on metals shavings may not show the opposing force like a water vortex simply because theyARE one stage down, Smot may have given us a glimpse. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: 1997-2005 the missing SMOT years
Grimer wrote If nothing else SMOT has made us think about the possibilities. I have fellowship with a retired airline pilot that has weather eye. I have mentioned the " strange" vortices shed from the main vortex created in our glass test tanks.( while the main vortex is spinning) , In particular, the horizontal vortexes that form and " coast"across the bottom of the tank. I mentioned that the severe Florida hurricane last decade had some unexplained damage from winds that may be the result of a horizontal rolling wind shear similar to a Jelly roll type cake. My pilot friend said flying 747's for years provided him all the experience he needed in unexplained wind shears including some during a perfectly clear sky. There may be a way to visualize such activity in a magnetic field if it has spiral helix properties. One method may be by the use of a ultrasonic flow meter of all things. Hmmm , thats an interesting thought. We use these type meters in our systems shop. Thinking out a test I will give it a try using a 5 HP TEFC 3 phase electric motor 480 vac under various load conditions. Ifsomething out of the ordinaryshows up, and is reproducible, I will post it. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
OT: Stock market churning
Is it my imagination or is there a churning going on with Wall Street. The seesaw is too balanced as if a giant computer program has control of the game. It fluctuates at near 150 back and forth weekly. Some opinions have it that IF the Dow drops below 10K there is NO bottom. Some opinions have it the Dow will creep up to just below 11K before the summer doldrums bring it back to near 10K. Some opinions have it there is a horrible correction looming after the 2nd quarter's reports are in. In Texas, near retirement age peopleare selling their California homes for 2 plus mil, moving to Texas near Kerrville into a biggerbrand newhome for 250K and banking the difference as retirement . A mil and 3/4 will give you a fairly good retirement posture. While I watch the discussions on " outsourcing" the reality is the nation simply cannot afford a drop in the Dow and expect to sell the Social Security reform package that permits investments in the equities market. Harvard has money in the stock market could we afford to lose Harvard and Yale? Between these two , they supply the Government with the brainpower and the Presidents of our nation. eeerrr, well by way of Texas. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Watch Me Try to Get Home (Train Hell's a comin' to Paradise)
RICK, Thats peanuts, Houston spent a Bil on a 9 mile toy train. BushTexas and BushFlorida have it going. Texas has a 180 Bil tollway starting .. see www.corridorwatch.org to learn how the smart money does it. Cintra of Spain won the bid to construct the first section. Gov. Perry signed the contract but cant reveal the terms saying it is confidential. The deal was put together back when Bush was the GUV. Bro Bush in Florida playing copycat. Richard - Original Message - From: Rick Monteverde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 4:13 AM Subject: Watch Me Try to Get Home (Train Hell's a comin' to Paradise) They just approved an excise tax increase here for transportation. They want to build a train - $2.6 billion or something like that. $100mil/mile. Terry - do you think technology is at the point where we could build a system of road sensors and car-mounted computers/displays to monitor and control traffic on major corridors? I'm thinking of a system that tracks and coordinates individual auto speed and spacing as well as routing - I don't mean automatic control of vehicles, but a display showing the driver parameters, like 'stay within the green bars' for speed and spacing, see the tolls for various routes, that sort of thing. Choose to drive the 'bad' direction on a corridor at a 'bad' time and you rack up tolls. Speed or impede traffic, drive in the orange or red zone on your display and you rack up tolls or even fines. Drive off-hours etc. for no tolls or restrictions, maybe even win movie tickets g. Surely there's been studies and proposals for systems like this. Somebody hitting the commute hard every day in prime time should pay $hundreds per year for their yearly auto license fee, those who don't use the syste! m much pay some minimum, maybe much lower than the average fee is now. Distributes usage fees fairly. They're going to ram that stupid train down our throats here and we're going to $choke on it, but people aren't going to abandon their cars to go ride it. This is a disaster. Why do we have to resort to 150 year old tech when we might be able to use the new stuff to turn our existing highways into a well orchestrated transportation system that has at least the same if not better effect on congestion than a train, lets people stay in their cars, costs far less to install, and pays for itself or maybe even *makes* money for itself and other programs? - R. This interactive map: http://www.georgia-navigator.com/maps/atlanta shows near live traffic if you click on cameras at the top. It's a part of the $1/4 B traffic management system originally built for the '96 Olympics and expanded upon since. I work near the junction of 400 and 85 and live 17 miles NE.
Re: Robert Carroll
From reading Carroll it is apparent he had a humor to temper his intellect. As time goes by I am coming to realize that CF will emerge just as I am considering the major movement will occur as the result of new mathematics rather than physics alone. Carroll relied upon his math wisdom and skills to lead him in much of his work. Way back in the 1950's I enjoyed a fellowship with some remarkable minds.. alas there are all since passed. Carroll reminde me of some of them Since that time the closest I have come to such an association has been VortexL.. Clapping hands.!!! I suggest that Carroll recognized the complexity of the math required to crack the code of CF. Again, we discussed this way back in the 1950's and concluded a machine would be needed to handle the complexity. Now I realize the machine would be a computer. The existing software is insufficent to deal with the task which is why I suggested a form of quadratic computing. I have read about the arguments for quantum computing and the ridicule surounding it. Should the word quadratic be used in lieu of quantum we may have already be in motion toward the software. Looking at kid's computer games like game boy etc I notice the software people have already worked across some of the major steps toward quadratics. I envisioned the software in four sections. The first is the base with two varaible and a differential bias to load weight of balance between the two variables. NOW!! hold onto your hat because this gets near the edge.. the two variables are 3D which means their analog values must be converted to digital on the fly which is how game boy performs. The idea of using 3 D collectors similar to a parabolic mirror as each of the two variables provide the infinite measure which in turn can be calibtrated ( biased) like a proportional and reset controller. The complexity comes from how to differentiate. My experience with derivative features in a controller lead me to consider the problem has again, already been solved by industry evidenced by the numerous industrial controllers with programmable features. Carroll is one of those people you would like to have spent relaxed time with. Richard - Original Message - From: Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: RE: Robert Carroll I have started reading Carroll's stuff. He is certainly a man after my own heart if the following gem is anything to go by. -- If the reader detects a note of sarcasm in the above statement, it is only because it was meant to be so. Our present level of scientific knowledge is about that of the kindergarten dropout. Consider the fact that the aberration of light from celestial objects is well known. There is no corresponding evidence that such an aberration exists in the law of central forces by which a satellite system such as the sun and its planets is established. -- And a bit lower down the opening page, this - The oddest of all the oddities concerning the human animal is his apparent lack of predisposition toward the truth. The statement: in any argument, the loudest voice prevails, has nothing to indicate that truth is involved. It is useless to speculate what might have been. Leibniz was a rival of Newton, both in mathematics and in physics. He ridiculed Newton's concept of space with the statement: There is no space where there is no matter. Amen to that, I say - but then seeing as I realise that matter is held together from without and not from within, I would say that wouldn't I. grin If nothing else, it looks as though Carroll's stuff will be a wonderful source of quotations. Cheers Frank Grimer
Re: Shell and Arie DeGeus
Thanks Mark Goldes for making mention of the connection with DeGeus and Shell. As I recall the news article , Shell emphasized the point that Shell was spending their research money on hydrogen. Looking at the background of Shell's new US head, I see he has worked with the "right" people .. like GE etc. Why do I get the feeling the winners have already been decided before the game is played grin Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: English articles are not nonsense
Jed, So much language is lost in translation yet the English language has become the language of the world of business, air travel and encroaching into science as a universal medium for the exchange of ideas via the internet. Picking up on your color comment, in Rev.21:19 , the writer observed the foundation of the walls were made of 12 different colors of stones ( jewels). Half of these colors have never been identified. Hmmm. If there are 3 primary colors why mention four times that ? Richard - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:28 AM Subject: English articles are not nonsense Standing Bear wrote: Russian grammar is different than ours in many ways, including the omission of common nonsense words that we call 'articles' like 'the' in many cases... Actually, English articles have a specific meaning: they indicate whether you are talking about one specific instance or general instances. It is a common misconception that English articles, number, and French word gender are nonsense or dispensable. They have no meaning, but they provide essential cross checking to reduce errors in communication. They function somewhat like parity bits. Take two French words which sound similar but are of different genders. The use of le or la earlier in the sentence acts as a clue or heads-up for the listener. If he has trouble hearing the sentence because he is in a noisy environment, he backtracks, replays the sentence in his mind, and checks whether there was a le or la. You can always have a language without articles, number or gender. We get along fine without gender in English. Japanese has none of these things, yet Japanese people communicate perfectly. But of course they have other techniques to reinforce meaning, cross-check and reduce ambiguity. Incidentally, yesterday someone mentioned the distinction between green and blue. The most common Japanese color word, ao, is both blue and green. So when you are driving with a Japanese person and he tells you the traffic light has turned blue, he means green. When Americans first learned Japanese, I expect some of them wondered whether Japanese people are colorblind. Not at all. They have dozens of other words for colors which describe fine gradations between various shades of blue and green. The most common pair after ao are: sora-iro and midori which mean sky-color (blue) and leaf-color (green). - Jed
Re: Spiral helixes
The first lesson given in art is there are 3 primary colors. Interesting the ancient Americans used the same word for green and blue, mystified that learned white people would use two different words to describe what they considered to be the same color. On the disbursing of light an entire different focus ( pun intended) may be necessary. Studying the structure of light as a 3 braided component can give one a headache. BUT , again nature comes to the rescue of science in revealing the structural form of a chambered nautulus. Hmm.. lets consider the structure of the chamber that uses a spiral and a parabolic function as a clue. Is this chambered type structure similar to how light is disbursed? Light is absolutely fascinating in its ability to disburse yet be measured in length. One can wonder if the measurement therefore is truly linear in its math function or an abberation. I wonder how Duke University's FEL program is faring. Perhaps the next generation of visionaries have began mapping their strategies. For sure , the computer math software is lagging. Rice University had a great parallel computing work started and lost sight. Quadratic computing software for theoretical math computations is vital to explore the next generation of physics. Every opportunity I have to voice this need is received with a blank stare during my visits to Houston. - Original Message - From: Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:39 AM Subject: Re: Spiral helixes At 09:40 am 02-05-05 +, Grimer wrote: I was curious as to what would happen if I made a plait of three strings and drew one of them out. I used a fairly stiff plastic string, poly-something, and loosely plaited the three strands. The ends of each strand were marked so that I would know which one to pull and which two to hold. I was expecting the two which were left to be coiled around one another but to my surprise they were completely separate. Jones mentioned the structure of DNA. I wonder if there is some connection. Cheers Frank Grimer === et plectentes coronam de spinis === To further my investigation into the three dimensional structure of a braid I loosely platted three stiff wires together. The plait was too stiff to draw one of the strands out so I cut a strand into sections with snips so that the short pieces fell away from the braid. Sure enough, two completely separate strands were left. These strands had the structure of a sine wave which rotated along its length. I remember reading once a complaint that the rotational polarization of light tended to be overlooked. I can now understand why. Presumably the speed of the 3 platted sine waves is differentially attenuated in the same way that the speed of blue, yellow and red light is differentially attenuated in refraction. Whilst on the subject of visible radiation it is worth noting that three separate colours are needed to make white light and that we have three sets of cones for the detection of visible light. === http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/rodcone.html The experimental evidence suggests that among the cones there are three different types of colour reception. Response curves for the three types of cones have been determined. Since the perception of colour depends on the firing of these three types of nerve cells, it follows that visible colour can be mapped in terms of three numbers called tristimulus values. Colour perception has been successfully modeled in terms of tristimulus values and mapped on the CIE chromaticity diagram. === A coincidence? I very much doubt it. Cheers Frank Grimer === dixitque Deus fiat lux et facta est lux ===
Re: BLP implementation path
There are credible sources that also question BLP supposed claims. Granted they have moved the subject ahead but the due diligence remains in stage. A recent interview carried by the Houston Chronicle with the new head of Shell Oil USA is revealing. The new head stated that Shell is spending money on hydrogen technology.. emphasizing the point. hmmm. These people have the money to set the rules for the game over the next 10 years. Perhaps GM and Ford understand this better than Toyota. Richard - Original Message - From: Standing Bear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: Re: BLP implementation path On Thursday 14 April 2005 15:15, Mike Carrell wrote: In the current discussion of a post-peak-oil world, the usual alternatives have been worked over thoroughly, and found unsatisfactory. An important factor is perceptions of the future. While expansion and a better future are seen as possible, people will dream, hope, invest and work to make it real. If that perception turns to gloom and doom and no light at the end of the tunnel, the collapse of international commerce and investment markets may be swift. A workable road map to a better future will help. This drives the workers and supporters of LENR technology, but it seems a bit beyond reach at the moment. There is a likely alternative in Black Light Power. For those here who have not studied it I will give a sketch of its features and status, with links to specific data. After a decade of RD, with publication of theory and experiments, privately funded Black Light Power has entered a phase of negotiation with a number of potential product development partners who are doing serious due diligence studies of the BLP technology, including replication of critical effects in their own laboratories. Many 'new energy' comapnies have made this claim. All I can say is that I have credible sources and my own analysis of what has been presented in publications and on the BLP website. Papers on key aspect of BLP technology have been published in the Journal of Applied Physics and other senior technical journals in the US and abroad. Mills has been very active in refining his theory and developing visualizations of the orbitsphere elctron model to aid third party consultants retained by managements of prospective partners. He has recently lectured to audiences in Holland. ...goes on to long letter... Good use for it. Another use may be to utilize it for rocket propulsion. There was a government funded study that stopped short of testing the power of this rocket. Then nothing. Probably working now and highly classified. This just may have been the real ticket for actual operation of the recently cancelled single stage to orbit shuttle, one of the 'X' series, X43 or something...could look it up but some of you know of this anyway. What we need is a good single stage to orbit shuttle. Would'nt this be nice if it worked? Standing Bear
Re: Spiral helixes
Indeed !! Frank. For the use of a better word we use component Watching video of some of the large forest fires over the recent past, I was fascinated with the video shots that captured the occasional fire storm or chimney vortexes created along the sharp inclines of mountain slopes as the fires intensify. The suuden updraft vortex of flame shoot skyward at something above mach 10 if my calculations are close. The amazing part is there appears to be NO inertia at the start of the event. The visible spiral flame appears to form the vortex and move without any hesitation caused by an enertia... hmmm .. gravity cancelled. There are recorded accounts of witnessing of these type events during WW2 bombing of London and the fire storms reported. Perhaps science must displace the terms light and gravity with something more descriptive. I am beginning to suspect gravity is merely a function of light or at least a manifestation thereof. The examples of 3 strand helix in nature may often be clues to deeper insight into the complex. The DNA spiral helix may actually be braided rather than twisted which could give the people in drug research an entire new focus. Consider the studies in bending light. If light were actually composed of 3 components then one or more component may pass through any mass, be it earth or whatever, while one or more component may be blocked. BUT.. and a very big BUT.. that component(s) blocked may reform at a point beyond the block and lend the appearance to an obligue observation as a bend. Assigning properties to a gravitational constant has been shot with danger way to long in theoretical physics. Light may indeed play an unseen role( pun intended). One must maintain a humor when discussing subjects of this nature or risk the tar brush. Only Vortexians are immune. Richard - Original Message - From: Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Spiral helixes At 10:40 pm 28-04-05 -0500, you wrote: Observing the vortex produced in a clear plexiglas tank of water by a high speed rotating member facing down with a clockwise rotation I notice the cone of the vortex is at the surface and counterclockwise due to the vortex curling 180 degrees from the face of the rotating member up to the surface. The diameter of the vortex remains near constant until it approaches the water surface when it expands to the familiar parabolic form. a measured amount of air can be induced at the member due to vacuum. The air allows the many shed vortices to become visible in the water that move in many directions. A water vortex is made up of many spirals some of which appear to be flowing opposite from the main bands. These spirals remind me of a model of a DNA molecule.. hmmm. Reading a recent research paper where light was frozen reminds me of what happens when a water vortex is disturbed.. it collapses. Thinking of the frozen light experiment, I try to imagine what is taking place. I have considered the event may be similar to impinging on a water vortex... IF light is actually in spiral helix form and interrupting ( impinging) the helix may be what causes the light to freeze. If light is actually composed of 3 components it could better explain why sunlight can heat a surface after traveling the distance through space at near absolute zero temperature. The water vortex may reveal one of the capacitor properties of water. If water and light have 3 components and are spiral helix in form there may be a way to interrupt or impinge on one of the bands to trigger the capacitor. Looking at Ecclesiastes 4;12 I read a sentence made by the Teacher.. a cord of three strands is not quickly broken. may offer a clue. Some of the most unseeming comments expressed in this group have led to stimulation of thought which is the real worth of the VortexL. Richard Hi Richard, I think your point about the third dimension is crucial. We have always to consider, not only A and B, but also the interaction term AB. In the real world 2 + 2 does not equal 4 since to the extent that adding represents something physical, there is always an interaction term which has some real value. Often, of course, this interaction is so small that it is below the threshold of measurable (though not intellectual) perception. To take a simple example of what I mean, if we have two gold coins and we bring them together then they have lost some gravitational potential energy and gained some internal energy (inverse inertia). Indeed, even in the symbolic representation of 2 + 2 = 4 one can see that there is a loss of information (negative interaction) in going from the LHS to the RHS of the equation. Your a cord of three strands is not quickly broken quote is interesting. Could this have referred to a braid or plait I wonder === Braiding of fiber yarn creates a strand or
Spiral helixes
Observing the vortex produced in a clear plexiglas tank of water by a high speed rotating member facing down with a clockwise rotation I notice the cone of the vortex is at the surface and counterclockwise due to the vortex curling 180 degrees from the face of the rotating member up to the surface. The diameter of the vortex remains near constant until it approaches the water surface when it expands to the familar parabolic form. a measured amount of air can be induced at the member due to vacuum. The air allows the many shed vortices to become visible in the water that move in many directions. A watervortexis made up of many spirals some of which appear to be flowing opposite from the main bands. These spirals remind me of amodel of a DNA molecule.. hmmm. Readinga recent research paperwhere light was " frozen"reminds me of what happens when a water vortex is disturbed.. it collapses. Thinking of the frozen light experiment, I try to imagine what is taking place. I have considered the eventmay besimilar to impinging on a water vortex... " IF" light is actually in spiral helix form and interrupting( impinging) the helixmay bewhat causes the light to freeze. If light is actually composed of 3 components it could better explain why sunlight can heat a surface after traveling the distance through space at near absolute zero temperature. The water vortex may reveal one of the " capacitor" properties of water. If water and light have 3 components and are spiral helix informthere may be a way to " interrupt or impinge onone of the bands to " trigger" the capacitor. Looking at Ecclesiastes 4;12 I read asentence made by the Teacher.. " a cord of three strands is not quickly broken". may offer a clue. Some of the most unseemingcomments expressed in this group have led to stimulation of thought which is the real worth of the VortexL. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
OT: Leaking Pen asked and answered
Leaking pen wrote im wiitiggg.hmm, not so quick on the reply when youve been called on what youvesaid, and are out of wiggle room, it seems.On 4/25/05, leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems antiquity is loaded with examples of engineering and architectural works that have us thinking that perhaps the people of that age were intelligent beings and had not degenerated which seems to contradict the Darwinian theorists. . again, how is the assumption that ancient people were degenerates darwinian? and... since according to this supposed thought, people are naturally smarter now, it wouldnt be degenerated, as nothing had yet been generated, yes no? On 4/25/05, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RC Macaulay wrote:Leaking Pen wrote and i notice, you still havent answered my question. you might want to stop jabbing that strawman in the corner, the discussion is over HERE. Asked and answered. If you folks continue to snip this heavily you're both going to start yelling incoherently in another post or two. LP asked: how... does that refute darwinian theory? And RCM said:no demonstrable experimental proof can be structured to examine his [Darwin's] theory. At this point LP said RCM hadn't answered the question. Was there another question, or did he overlook the answer, or did he feel the response was incomplete or off-topic? Dunno; you both snipped so heavily the lurkers can't tell. At this point it seems to me that LP could talk about longitudinal studies of restricted ecologies (e.g., those on islands), or examples of artificial selection, or the contrast between Lysenko and Darwin, or the flaws in the intelligent design theory, or some such. Or he could attack the link between the assertion of nonfalsifiability (which is what RCM's statement really amounted to) and the claim that something specific refuted Darwinian theory and his use of the term "religious theory". But just asserting that the question hasn't been answered without even reposting it is a little weak. Leaking Pen apparently took offense to aobservation I made in my post and asked me to keep bias out of the science discussion. My observation read: "The evidence that remains have us thinking that perhaps the people of that age were intelligent beings and had not degenerated which seems to contradict the Darwinians theorists." This is not a bias statement, it is an observable comment on the obvious. Darwin's theory became a religion and has never become a scientific fact because no evidence of a "half" species has ever been found. The pyramids are fact since they are in evidence. The parody is that the ancients demonstrated abilities that are in evidence yet as a people have been discounted as uneducated.. yet Darwinianism is taught in US schools as "fact" and we are considered " educated", yet are in conflict with understanding how the ancients were able to accomplish these remarkable works without being " educated". To give Darwin his due.. I have observed drunks in Texas saloons "morph" from alligators to buzzards. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Pyramid water pump
Seems antiquity is loaded with examples of engineering and architectural works that have us thinking that perhaps the people of that age were intelligent beings and had not degenerated which seems to contradict the Darwinian theorists. Jones.. look at the ceiling construction. Back to Egyptian pyramids.. The scope of teh work and technology required leaves me wondering how much of ancient history is missing.. we actually know or understand so little. Take the library of Alexandria in Egypt that was sacked and burned in later BC. The Greeks recorded the library contained 70,000 years of records. The Egyptians scoffed at Grecian works and architecture explaining they ( Egypt) has a history eons before Greece existed. http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Treasury_of_Atreus.htmlRichard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Pyramid water pump
Leaking pen wrote.. how... does that refute darwinian theory? at the point that humanstook control of the environment, we no longer had to adapt as much tosurvive, therefore one WOULDNT assume that we are simply moreintelligent than previous humans, we simply know more.take your personal biases OUT of a science discussion, please. Leaking pen.. words mean things, there is a difference in meaning between " refute" and the word "contradict" as used in my post.True , this is a science discussion where nimble minds meet to examine and refute. However, when a person like Darwin, thatwas NOT a scientist passes off religious theory as science ashe has done so with help of many that believe in his religion, he represents a contradiction to science for the simple reason that no demonstrable experimental proof can be structured to examine his theory. You must be carefulthat you discernbias from thoughtful discourse in a science discussion.. You have my permission to wipe the egg from your face. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Mountainside solar towers
This thread may being growing legs of its own. Consider the updraft tube need not be lengthy nor have a diameter greater than 40-50 meters. based on 6:1 ratio. Schauberger once studied a variation of this. A vortex can be induced at the base which would supercharge the draft. Hmmm.. I need to run a test on a tiny scale mockup to study the spin. A reverse vortex may give better performance on a downdraft configuration. Proper selection of the shape of the top of the riser tube can be important in that on an updraft tube ,the shape of the top acts as a ejector. Steam injection may make for instability.. or create the mother of all tornados. Here Jed.. stand over here while we start this jalopy up... grin Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Mountainside solar towers
Robin writes, BTW there are some low mountains in central Australia, in themiddle of the desert, that run more or less east-west, and havesteep sides. Perhaps not as high as one might like, but it wouldmake a good start. The combination of solar and wind energy can be harnessed for the wind turbine.Compensating for the height( change in elevation) an incline actually improves the combination. Add vortex energy and Australia is a natural. Considering that west Texas, like Australia,has an abundance " dust devils" or tiny twisters thatimpulse daily, One could study the " trigger" that permits the formation of these dust devils. The incredible amount of energy released is amazing. There have wind farms in west Texas in droves. The tax benefits and the Federal money involved has caused a feeding frenzy across the US for large array wind generators. The insanity of the projects make me turn my head as I pass some of them. Here we have the wind farm at the top of the plateau and the 2500 foot inclined radical change in elevation beneath and adjacent tothe wind towers. Engineering science blinded by the dollar. Oh well, they say Texas and Australia have a lot in common Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Mountainside solar towers
Windfarms The cost of construction of a windfarmis partially offset by tax incentives. The cost of maintenance is high. Notice how many towers are out of service at any time. The stress of the windshear as the prop passes the pylon isa cause of blade fatigue. Jed mentioned there is no better way to capture the wind with present-day, off the shelf technology. True and the incentives exist to keep building them although there is a better, more efficent, less expensive and lower maintenance wayusing available technology. That should count for something. The technology is available, albeit it in bits and pieces... to use inclined updraft tubes for electric power generation. The base of the tubecould beconfigured similar to the shape of a chambered nautilus and have an offset turbine shaft that fully captures the cross section of the opening while achieving null on the backside of the rotation. to lower drag. Seems more feasible than building a 3500 ft tall solar wind tower at 500 mil plus. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: water into wine
Hmmm.. the link Pliliplaven link that Grimer posted showing the graphs has me intrigued. http://www.philiplaven.com/p20.html In my mind's eye, I keep seeing a spiral, perhaps a helix pattern in lieu of a seeming random of the imaginary shown in graph 6. Look carefully at graph 5 again, do I see a part of a spiral? Or could this be a helix with three events ,one of which being the elusive Frank senses. Water and light brings to mind the red throated hummingbirds so busy outside this time of year. They can change the throat colors ( by adjusting the feathers?) supposedly for mating and macho purposes.. but what if we are getting a glimpse of a useof color we are not fully aware of? Watching a hummingbird accelerate from scratch can puzzle one trying to understand this ability. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif p20.html.url Description: Binary data
Re: Npbody wants it is what Martin says,too
Jed, Your post is whats called a reality based observation because its so true and real. Mentioning DEC brought back some of the 1970's to me. We bought our first "computer" in 1972, a DEC PDP-8L. Plan was to use it in a design study and demo for bidding a portion of a North Sea project for a crude oil metering/ proving station. " Splat" !!! went the idea because the senior instrument people at Phillips were old timers that grew up using pneumatic instrumentation and considered electronics something out of a Mad magazine. Alas, Digital went the way of all flesh, later folded into Compaq and disappeared somewhere between the water cooler and the elevator in Compaq Center Houston. Ironic that HP did the same for Compaq. A nation that rises like the US, hasbeen gifted with men ofenergetic inspiration, The average age of a democratic form of a republic is never more than 200 years. It is interesting to speculate " where" in the world the next burst of energy will arise. I considered China as the next powerhouse but have tabled that thought because China lack the essential for greatness due to it being mired in socialism likethe USA. Surprisingly, it may come again to the USA with its seething discontent over the Iraq war and the political regime that has captured Washington. These operators areDems or Repsdepending on the weather.It will take some radical events to trigger such an event which is looming as we watch with energy , banking and dont forget Wall Street. It is possible that if the Dow, Nasdeq and SP fallbelow a trip point, say below 10,000 ( Dow) we may see some interesting buttons pushed. The last time it dropped below that figure I had a real concern they wouldn't be able to stop it until it fell into the 3500 range. This time around my intuition is screaming.. They better not let it fall below 9000 over the next 90 day or June 30 reports may cause a slide nobody on earth wants. China is doing their part to prop it but with the bunch we have doing the thinking and leading for us.. I wouldn't count on China. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Mountainside solar towers
Horace, Sensible , moreso than the solar tower at 3500ft tall. Combine the idea with several inclined updraft tubes along the face of the mountainside for wind turbines and you have a winner. Richard - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:51 AM Subject: Re: Mountainside solar towers In the right locations it should be possible to build solar towers at a very low cost per kW. The right location consists of a south facing mountainside in a sunny location. The mountain almost entirely eliminates the structural support problem, and the south facing mountainside should offer better solar collection than a flat surface. The cross sectional area could affordably be very large. Given that rise would exist in the mountainside solar collector, the base would thus serve a dual purpose as heat collector and rise column, and funnel up to a purely rise column. A steep mountainside should make for less expensive real estate as well. The above applies to the northern temperate zone. In the southern temperate zone a north facing mountainside would be the right location. In an equatorial zone multiple faces might be used for solar collectors, possibly with rise columns located on multiple sides of a mountain. Regards, Horace Heffner
Re: Mountainside solar towers
Adding to Horace's thread, the draft tubes could be simple 36 ft diameter corrogated drainage culvert mounted on the incline in length sections as long as the incline. A converging cone of less than 15 degrees with a cone shaped prop configuration positioned in the converging cone that adjusts( necessary for proper speed efficency)outward from the convergence would drive the generator. Interesting effects could be developed by use of a diverging cone of not greater that 7 1/2 degrees in that it would provide the ideal " Gibson formula" venturi throat. Placing small parabolic segments near the converging cone would induce a vortex that would continue through the inclined draft tube and discharge out the diverging cone. Adding moisture ( steam) into the inlet wouldincrease the flow via differential temperatures May make a weathermaker on the leeward side of the mountain. Be cheaper than building a 3500ft solar tower. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Gas tax
Stephen Lawrence suggestion on gas tax presupposes integrity in government which cannot exist because the political animal cannot be tamed or constricted by money. Money unleashes the beast. The beast must be starved. Last year a seemingly nebulous bill passed as an " adder" to some law. The wording simply stated some feel good need for " jobs creation". Buried deep in the understanding of this adder permitted the IRS to " farm out" collections of past due taxes to private collectors. Enter a new realm of " privatizing". Law firms are opening offices in Washington in droves to get some of this " easy money" Supposedly there are 9 billion dollars in " low hanging fruit" to be plucked off the money tree for an estimated cost of collection of 1 billion. Why? You say, doesn't the IRS spend the 1 billion to collect the 9?. Well , it seems there is more like an estimated 350 billion in potential taxes that can be " wrung out" of the system using the proper scare tactics. Remember one is guilty till proven innocent in tax court. Add to this, the transfer of confidential records from IRS files to " law firms" and the ingredients for a "witches brew" are ready for the kettle. The entire process can be "offshored" to India. The collection " agent" get a percentage of the take as an inducement. in other words, a protection racket. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: ...water into wine...
Frank, We believe UV plays a crucial role in the recharge process but .. some enhancer is working behind the scenes in the great Shakesperian drama.. perhaps we are watching part of the third act while the first has not yet been played out. Duke University has the socalled ultimate FEL lab and has been at it since moving the gun and the scientists over from Russia in the 1990's. Their work is funded by DOD with a cloak covering by NSA so the chances of looking up their skirt is nil. However, they know much more than is announced which is crumbs. Their work in UV only begins to cast a shadow over some of their advances in the spectrum sciences portion of particle physics.They have had the time, money and the best resources available yet silence is the only thing coming out of N.C. Richard - Original Message - From: Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: Re: ...water into wine... In Mike Carrell's BLP implementation path post of Thu, 14 Apr 2005 he writes: === The BLP process uses certain catalytic ions to induce atomic hydrogen atoms to collapse to a lower state, called hydrinos. A cascade of collapses [but not a runaway chain reaction] to many lower states is possible, with yields of still higher energy at each stage. At even the first stage, the energy yield per atom is greater than that necessary to isolate a hydrogen atom from a water molecule. This opens the door to ordinary water as a fuel, which has been demonstrated, as O++ is one of the catalysts. The energy from the reactions is primarily as deep UV radiation, hence the name Black Light Power. Further details and tutorials are available a the website, www.blacklightpower.com. == It seems to me that there could be a connection here to Chaplin's isomeric clusters. Also, I believe UV is more intense in the upper atmosphere so it may be there that the water capacitors primarily get recharged. If one is seeking to regenerate water to it's original state after cold fog kinetic energy extraction then blacklight experience suggests that UV is the best place to start. Frank Grimer
Re: Laddermill wind generayor
Kelvar properties include " cold flow" which shoots the material down for use for cable. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: water into wine
Jones suggested trying microwaves at the resonant frequency of water( 22Ghz) to aim down the hollow shaft. Hmmm. That would take a calibrated tube diameter. We had thought of installing thin wall tubing inside the hollow shaft coming in from the top, but surrendered the idea in favor of bringing a tube in from the bottom of the containment vessel that we would use for feeding O3+ isotopesand exotics into the base of the vortex instead of the top through the hollow shaft. The task becomes intriguing in that when a vortex is induced by the high speed rotating member, the base of the vortex is inverted and the vacuum in the zone plays an interesting role in that it permits feeding powders as well as gas/liquid chemicals Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: Uploaded Energy Overview ( Pastel Exhibit Japan)
Jed, Thanks for sharing the link to the Japanese pastel art exhibit. My wife has taught pastels for some years and presently teaching an ancient art form " encaustics" a wax-oil mix heated after application. Very good work shown in the exhibit by the Japanese artists.., that can show us something of their skills, talents and their culture. Thanks again Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: water into wine
The thought of water having properties in the order of a capacitor begs the question of HOW or what exactly triggers the discharge. Thinking of the energy discharged across the duration of a hurricane or tornadois astounding because anactual buildup of energy occursas the storm intensifies. What is the triggering mechanism, and what is the mechanism that " dampens" the intensity until the vortex collapses to calm? A hurricane in its awesome power DOES NOT discharge like a capacitor.. it continues to maintain and increase charge as it progresses. The mechanism may NOT be the obvious.It may be a minor temperature differential but it may be something much more elusive yet staring us in the face with a smile as nature often does. I have often considered the migrating geese and their ability to remain airborne for extended time. The V formation and the "honking" could be more than a subtle clue. The V formation provides the trigger to create vortexes the geese use to remain aloft with little energy consumption. The Geese may use infrared sensors in their beaks to locate the vortexes. BUT!! why the honk? Is there more to the sound than we realize beside geese talk for company on a long vacation? Do sonics play a role in triggering or sustaininga vortex? In our tests of " shapes" that induce water vortexes, it seems the size of the shape is not important, it is the configuration ..we usevery small parabolic shapes yhat can induce the generation of a vortex which in turn can release a great amount of energy. Segments of parabolas have concentrating features as demonstrated by a rock group using amplifiers and parabolic speakers. Light sources concentrate at the base of a mirrored parabola regardless of the direction they enter. SL and sonifusion use sound to trigger the SL energy release.. but.. is it sound or light that is the triggering mechanisn? Could it be the sound acts like a fuse in a horwitzer and the resultant UV light be the gunpowder that produces the SL effect? The SL effect can repeatedly cycle as long as a bubble and sound are present. A hurricane magnifies over water and decays over land.( Tornados form over land as well as water). but are we sure it is the land mass that stalls the winds that actually diminishes the energy release and it collapses like a discharged capacitor. We have clues to finding Mr. Nobody (some describe him by hisinitials CENR)..He could be anywhere.. may even be lurking in this group..Only the shadow knows. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: water into wine
As our applied research continues on an inductor that generates higher rotational speed vortexes up to 10,000RPM, one of our tasks include designing a hollowshaft unit that will permit firing a UV laser light directly into the center cone of the vortex together witha sonic gun that can shoot sound down the hollow shaft . As the movie Dirty Harry ..Danny Glover.. says " I gotsta know" Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: water into wine
FW Lew, interesting gif 's shown on your link. You mention reversing the rotation of a vortex. We have a plexiglas test tank used for observing the generation of a vortex by a mixer.. see www.gasmastrrr.com for a view of the vortex pattern induced by a 3450 RPM rotating member. Using a 3 phase motor permits us to reverse the phase and observe counter or clockwise rotation of the vortex . Being in the northern hemisphere we notice a difference in the spiral of the vortex when clockwise rotation is inducing the vortex. The dynamics of the " seething" cauldron of mixing motion produced in the glass tank demonstrates the energy released. The vortex produced actually causes some of the plexiglas bottom to vanish by electron action. . A visual of the spiral vortices spun off the main vortex columncan be seenbecause the entrained air permits the vortices to be visible. We have a large tank with viewing windows for tests of larger HP units ( 5- 100 HP) that we use for our continued applied research in testing " shapes" ofvarious vacuum induction producing units. Some of the test logs are awesome. For example. Aeration of wastewater in a small plant bybubbling compressed air into the basin uses a set of 20HP blowers to produce the required air volumeto transfer oxygen in sufficent quanities to aerate the basin over a 24 hour time frame. We tested an air induction unit of 5HP and achieved better oxygen transfer rate results than with the two 20HP blowers. The air induction feeder mixer literally lifted the bottom solids up into the spiral vortex and recirculated the entire basin water past the rotating member as it feed air at velocity shear of 105 f/p/s. Attempts to calculate the oxygen transfer rate we recorded via a DO analyzer was a waste of time because the empirical data developed over time that was used to derive the math formula was in such conflict with the DO recordings. These years of data collected by tests of various shapes are beginning to mature into some interesting new ideas on ultrahigh speed rotation for inducing vortexes. Our tests to date on these high speed units have been hindered by failures of the mechanical drives. Speeding up the rotation past 3450 RPM up to max of 10,000 RPM using sheaves and VFD drive control has brought us a whole new set of problems with premature failure. In thr real world of industrial products, a manufacturer like us must first demonstrate the device will run without failure for the time it takes to amortize the investment. As in the case of stockbrokers, the users want to overcome the cost in under two years and in more and more cases they want a max of 6 months recovery of costs. All of which makes life most exciting to the designer while the vortex mystery play moves to the next act. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
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Akira,, Vorts never move, grin a plaeasnt diversion for science merely stimulates the group. For example. Next generation windmills. A tower the height proposed for wind electric power generation by the Australians would be overkill. Harnessing the vortices shed by a tower in the shape of a bowling pin may produce as much electric energy as a tower 5 times as high. Consider that vortices produce heat that can be detected by an infrared sensor similar to the Eastec wedge flow meter or a flock of migrating geese for that matter. An optimum shape could be configured that captures wind energy efficently. A variation could be applicable to capturing ocean tidal and/or wave energy. Way back when.. Schauberger proposed such a wind generator, there has been at least some advance in technology applicable to the original design. With the money NASA spends on wind tunnel tests, radical shapes for capturing the energy of wind for conversion to electric power is within reach. Would someone like to take on the task? Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: water into wine
Thanks Frank and Jones, I often use the GSU physics website for reference. From the series of posts on this thread I suggest water has the ability to mimic the energy storage abilitylike a capacitor has the ability to store an electric charge. From our work using vortex mixing some interesting observations have been logged over the years that suggest this ability of water to store energy. The totalenergystoredseems toarrive from other than hydrostatic or induced head unless the energy stored has a cumulative property of its own. Weoften use " shapes" upstream of the regime to induce a vortexahead of themixing regime or channel. In some installations this induced vortex seems toreleaseenergy on its own which greatly assists the mixing. The standard formula used in mixing is by calculating for G (the mixing velocity gradient) estimated as the square root of the horsepower of the mixing motor divided by the volume of the mixing regime timesthe viscosity of water assumed as .235 The superior mixing results using " these vortex inducing shapes can be demonstrated by introducing dye with the chemical and observing the downstream results. Granted that horsepower is horse hockey and torque is what a mule has in his rear, the formula for input horsepower vs mixing intensity simply doesn't " hold water" pun intended. Frank's math goes a long way to addressing the mystery Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
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I choose not to get into a p*iss*ng contest with Keith and Ed over religious beliefs. I stated my thoughts. As for the state of the nation, I suggest that Washington is the place where it is not nearly as important to win as it is to make sure the other guylooses. As for laws of the land, the NY attorney Eliot Spitzer has carried the water for the US Justice Dept in pursuing Wall Street and the Insurance companies.He hasn't been able to penetrate the banking industry which means its only showtime. As for the Presidency, Look back to LBJ and the war in Nam and the resultant Hippie culture revealed so well in the finger that Bill gave us all on TV. The office was always a figurehead position, a bully pulpit.. but.. even that has given way to the lobbyists power demonstrated in the pure raw power of money. When the leaders of our nation degrade the office of presidency to thepresent state, the nation responds with Enron, etc Monkey see, monkey do.That is what we are witnessing today. This presidency has transcended the finger with .." money alone talks" and whatever it takes to get by one more day. Forget the future! Sometimes I believe the best weathervane is Warren Buffett. Consider AIG moved all their cash to Barbados and made a deal with Buffett. Eliot Spitzer can't touch Buffett without bringing down the house of cards described as " derivatives" Follow the money.. Buffett bought Geico. Using Geico, General Re was purchased. General Re is in the"funny money" business. General Re made a deal with AIG's funnymoney affiliate. With these two units alone ,we are talking 75 trillion dollars in derivatives. What you bet that Buffett has already converted a large portion into currency offshore? How ? you ask.. by printing more derivatives. Even Al Greenspan admitted he doesn't understand them, they are outside the framework of the security statutes and out of control of the Fed. Poor Eliot Spitzer lifted the lid, got a smell and .. there is large chasm in the middle of the road ahead. I was in business the last time it happened in 1973. LBJ tried to run the Nam war on credit. Bush is making the same mistake ..but this time we are talking "real money". So where do I stand on politics? There is no place left to stand. Richard Explanation of derivatives. You want to borrow some money... don't go to a bank, go to someone else that wants to borrow some money. You give him an IOU for a billion dollars and he gives you one. Take the IOU to a public stock corporation that needs to show a big profit in order to increase share value. Trade a billion dollars in derivatives (IOU's)to them for a 100 milion in worthless stock so they can show a 900 million dollar book profit. The stock goes through the roof and the public stock corporation dumps the derivative on the world market. The world market for derivatives is controlled by people that know how to play the great game. If you want towatch the masters of the game .. study Fortis.. this is where Buffett got the idea for General Re. Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: water into wine
Frank, I have been studying the posts on this thread with ever increasing interest. Finally, a simple like me DID grasp your simplified math and " shazzam" I saw another side. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: AWEA estimate of global power needs
In the never ending game of musical chairs the ownership of Texas power plants has an interesting history. Houston Lighting and Power Company ( Old Houston Electric Company owned by Stone and Webster) partnered with City of Austin ( Austin Power) andCentral Power and Light (CPL, now AES)to build the South Texas Nuclear plant near Bay City Texas. The plant was being built by Brown Root ( now KBR) for an estimated cost of 1 billion dollars. BR failed to complete the project and Bechtol had to step in and finish it for a small increase in cost of addn 4- 13billion ( nobody knows the true figure but Reliant's claim against the true costs rose over the years, what with lawyers and lobbyists running up the costs). Meanwhile back at the ranch, HLP morphed into Reliant Energy ( now in big trouble with the State of California forholding thier thumb on the meat scales)and the musical chairs began in earnest in the US power industry. The power companies took their problems to the local lobbyists and had the State pass the " stranded cost bill" which means the State would allow the power companies to increase rates the amount to recover the cost of" dumping" the old obsolete polluting power plants that would cost more to clean up than they were worth. So, in effect, with the state floating the bonds to provide the cash to buy the plants( bonds would be paid from the increase revenue yearly, everybody won except the rate payer. In Texas, where no good deed ever goes unpunished, the power companiesgot their money and plus"sold" theplantsthey were" stuck with" ( stranded to the public)to anyone with the money and desire. Enter several " front " companies spun off from Reliant Energy..including Genco and Centerpoint. Who is Genco? Why, they are the people that just bought 44% of the South Texas Nuclear plant last week. HL P once owned that equity and were the most vocal about never being able to recover the cost of a nuke plant. Austin Power bought out Central Power's ( now AES) interests. When doing business in Texas watch the magician wave his wand and remember W got his start here as the GOV when " the tune stranded costs" was put to music. Poor Enron, Dynegy, El Paso etc. just thought they could take cards in the game. Tricks of the trade are catching and the great game is being played out nationwide. Thats the state we are in with electric power production in the USA. Its all about " capturing revenue streams" using somebody else's money. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
