Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues]

2021-11-02 Thread Allan Staller
ist On > Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 > Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 11:33 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January > 2022 and beyond - Issues] > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless yo

AW: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-11-01 Thread Barbara Nitz
Mainframe Discussion List Im Auftrag von Marna WALLE Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Oktober 2021 15:05 An: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Betreff: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues HI Barbara, ==> I did a 'save as' in the browser and saved the html pages to my laptop. I exp

Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues]

2021-11-01 Thread Gerhard Adam
bler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues] No, but he did coin "Think of it as evolution in action." From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Allan Staller <0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.e

Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues]

2021-11-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues] Classification: Confidential ITYM TANSTAAFL, as originally coined by Larry Niven(?) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Monday, Nov

Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues]

2021-11-01 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
s [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues] I am aware of only one product (commercial) that claims to be of any help in language conversion for assembler code, but there may be more of which I am unaware. In the one case I am aware of, the results were truly horrible COBOL code t

Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues]

2021-11-01 Thread Mike Schwab
t; -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Farley, Peter x23353 > Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 11:33 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and > beyond - Issues] &g

Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues]

2021-11-01 Thread Allan Staller
: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues] [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] I am aware of only one

Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues]

2021-11-01 Thread Pierre Fichaud
All the conversions I did were for companies in France. The first one was to convert SAS/C to IBM/C as the SAS stopped supporting their C compiler. There were a number of SAS/C functions that I had to create going to IBM/C. Some I wrote in C. The others I wrote in assembler. It really helped that

Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues]

2021-11-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
vember 1, 2021 12:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues] I am aware of only one product (commercial) that claims to be of any help in language conversion for assembler code, but there may be more of whic

Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues]

2021-11-01 Thread kekronbekron
ort you can > succeed. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of > Warren Brown > > Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:07 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Serverpac in

Re: Assembler analysis [was: RE: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues]

2021-11-01 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
1, 2021 12:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Hey experts;  I am back with mainframes.  I have a new position to analyze to  assembly language program. Is their any programs to analyze ASM programs for re-write them to a more mode

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-11-01 Thread Warren Brown
Hey experts;  I am back with mainframes.  I have a new position to analyze to  assembly language program. Is their any programs to analyze ASM programs for re-write them to a more modern language. Perhaps their are tools to help me,  Thanks, Warren   reaOn Monday, November 1, 2021, 11:49:52

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-11-01 Thread Michael Babcock
Use VA next to the file name in ISPF 3.4 or 3.17. On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 5:53 AM Barbara Nitz wrote: > >Those files are not stored in EBCDIC. I used ISPF 3.17 to View the files > using the UTF-8 option. Then you can see the XML source. > > Thanks for that pointer. I did use the command "ASCII" (

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-11-01 Thread Barbara Nitz
>Those files are not stored in EBCDIC. I used ISPF 3.17 to View the files using >the UTF-8 option. Then you can see the XML source. Thanks for that pointer. I did use the command "ASCII" (which got command not found), but "ASCII" is an IPCS command. :-( Regards, Barbara --

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-11-01 Thread Barbara Nitz
>> What I found really annoying in my serverpac was that I was asked >> for the jobclass for sysout data sets, dutifully specified an >> asterisk (take the one from the jobcard) and then got generated >> statements like this: SYSPRINT DD *. It took me a while to >> understand why I had gotten e

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-30 Thread Bruce Hewson
Hello Barbara, Those files are not stored in EBCDIC. I used ISPF 3.17 to View the files using the UTF-8 option. Then you can see the XML source. On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 00:05:07 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote: >Now Marna tells us the ptfs where it can be found. That little tidbit of >information hadn'

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Mike Schwab
Marna WALLE (mwalle) @mwalle ·3h Yeah! The latest PTFs for the z/OS V2.5 Upgrade Workflow refresh closed today (for APAR OA61406). Also, IBM Documentation was updated with that latest refresh export. Check out the Summary of Changes for what was updated. https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> Do I have to go through the entire workflow for each clone, or can I > quickly create multiple clones? You have to go through an entire deployment operation to clone a software instance. If you're deploying the same source software again you can Copy an already completed Deployment which is b

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> We were able to merge datasets when we used CustomPac Installation > Dialog to install ServerPac like the below merged dataset display. > Can we still do that through z/OSMF software Management? Thanks. No, not at the moment, but we are actively developing a merge data set capability for the

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
. Quackenbush [ku...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 2:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues > Does the z/OSMF workflow support the following methodology: To clarify terminology I'll rephrase your question to what I think you

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Chen, Ya-Fang
SYS1.SIATPNL0 TCPIP.SEZAPENU Regards, Ya-Fang -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kurt J. Quackenbush Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> Does the z/OSMF workflow support the following methodology: To clarify terminology I'll rephrase your question to what I think you meant to ask: Does z/OSMF Software Management, and the z/OSMF workflows supplied with the IBM ServerPac portable software instance, support the following methodol

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Marna WALLE [mwa...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Hi all, Thanks for all the great feedback! This has been a good conversation to follow

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Marna WALLE
Hi Keith, Thanks for sharing! I did notice your comment: "I re-ordered the Serverpac because the first order had two target zones (I had assumed that this was because I had accidentally ordered 2 releases of the same product - node.js IIRC - but it turned out to be because I received ISPF-cas

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> Not having seen the zOSMF method, Since you have not actually seen it yet, please allow me to clarify a few points. > ... I know serverpac full > system replacement needs a usercat (that would become the master cat > if you wanted to replace that and IPL the new system) for allocating > and r

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Shaffer, Terri
, 2021 10:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues External Email Hi all, Thanks for all the great feedback! This has been a good conversation to follow the past couple of days. We do appreciate it! From the conversation, I see those

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Marna WALLE
HI Barbara, ==> I did a 'save as' in the browser and saved the html pages to my laptop. I expected the content to be on my laptop, but it wasn't. When I opened the html pages using notepad, there was some small crap in it that was way too small to be the information I had seen online. I actual

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Keith Gooding
Hi Maria. Yes, I do believe that I can create the next z/os software instance very quickly now that we have a v2.5 instance. We use what the Serverpac dialog called ‘system upgrade’ , retain the existing master catalog and use indirect cataloging. In fact I was so confident that I could do th

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Barbara Nitz
Hi Kurt, >Does z/OSMF have a different look and feel than CustomPac ServerPac? Yes. > However, z/OSMF can certainly install as you've described here: you can >specify your three installation volumes for the target and distribution >libraries, you can let SMS manage the CPAC and SMP/E data sets

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Barbara Nitz
Hi Marna, thanks for your reply. >Interesting you just happened upon finding the z/OS upgrade material on the >z/OS website :). I think we need to make it easier to find, as perhaps the >System Level portion of the z/OS release bookshelf isn't the best place? I was expecting it where the usu

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Marna WALLE
Hi all, Thanks for all the great feedback! This has been a good conversation to follow the past couple of days. We do appreciate it! From the conversation, I see those here are on the "minimum installation path" that want to: 1. Use an existing prior configuration to save time when installing

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Marna WALLE
HI Barbara, Interesting you just happened upon finding the z/OS upgrade material on the z/OS website :). I think we need to make it easier to find, as perhaps the System Level portion of the z/OS release bookshelf isn't the best place? You mentioned, "I wasn't too happy with it because it doe

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> Absolutely understand what you said, but that's dumb. > > I haven't created a NEW Master Catalog in 20 years, because why > would I want to have to RECAT all my PAGE, SMF, USERCATs, NON-VSAM, > ETC datasets?? Some folks do create a new master catalog. That's their process. Apparently not y

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Gibney, Dave
fic SMS managed volumes. Mod 27 sysres and OMVS volumes. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Shaffer, Terri > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:08 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 an

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Shaffer, Terri
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edgington, Jerry Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues External Email Terri, There are ways to leave your Master Catalog alone, and still be able to upg

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Edgington, Jerry
com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shaffer, Terri Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues This message was sent from an external source outside of

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Shaffer, Terri
October 28, 2021 12:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues External Email > Great information Kurt, thanks, but need a clarification on one thing. > > >>That's great! You would choose any of these software instances as

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> Great information Kurt, thanks, but need a clarification on one thing. > > >>That's great! You would choose any of these software instances as > your model when installing z/OS next. You can also experiment with > other Software >>Management actions on those defined software > instances. Fo

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Quackenbush Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 11:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues External Email > So just a few clarifications. > > I am guessing when I install z/OS 2.6, not sure what my model is, an > instance or th

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> So just a few clarifications. > > I am guessing when I install z/OS 2.6, not sure what my model is, an > instance or the portable 2.5 order? A model is a software instance representing your actual installed software, no matter how it was installed, not a portable software instance. > Because

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Shaffer, Terri
y, October 28, 2021 9:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues External Email > I have one set of installation volumes (TGT125, ZFS225 and DLBV25) > specific to the release. TGT125 will NEVER get IPL'd, I clone from > there to

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread kekronbekron
Hey Kurt (and Marna), In order to help customers get to the zOSMF way of doing it, IBM could do a quick round of calls with its customers to understand how shops most commonly do it currently. Then, IBM could do multi-part webinars or a bunch of IBM TechDocs to address the switching-over concer

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-28 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> I have one set of installation volumes (TGT125, ZFS225 and DLBV25) > specific to the release. TGT125 will NEVER get IPL'd, I clone from > there to everywhere. All 'extranous' data sets (CPAC, the SMP > environment) goes SMS and stays on my sandbox. I also don't IPL the > CPAC system that come

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-27 Thread Barbara Nitz
Terri, I had found the migration workflow here (of all places as a link for the upgrade to the z15 that we just completed): https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.e0zm100/Export_zOS_V2R3_to_V2R5_Upgrade_Workflow.html I wasn't too happy with it because it doesn't work offline,

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Marna WALLE
Hi Bob, Yes, the z/OS V2.5 Upgrade Workflow is available in PTF(s) on z/OS V2.3 and V2.4, and in V2.5, and can be found in /usr/lpp/bcp/upgrade/. It is no longer in github. The latest level of the Workflow is found in APAR OA61406 - which is the level that contains all the links to the GA z/OS

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> What about datasets that are not in the CSI, e.g., CPAC.*? When you use a model to initialize the deployment configuration, data sets not managed by SMP/E, like the CPAC.* data sets, won't be initialized to your existing data set naming conventions. The same is true for new data sets that do

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated > I too ordered V2.5 in the "window" where you still have a choice on > custompac dialogs or z/OSMF. I opted to go custompac one more time. > > I do echo Terri's sentiments that there should

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> I too ordered V2.5 in the "window" where you still have a choice on > custompac dialogs or z/OSMF. I opted to go custompac one more time. > > I do echo Terri's sentiments that there should be a way to mostly > seed a new z/OSMF instance whether there is a utility that reads the > last saved

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Keith Gooding
Hi Kurt. In answer to your question about my previous post: We put the SMP/E target zone datasets on the target volume. The names in this case are SMPE.ZOS250.MVST250.* which are unique in the system. The CSI is VSAM so it is directly cataloged. The installation process indirectly catalogs the

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> Wanted to add a few other comments > Since IBM is forcing everyone to z/OSMF with 2.5, not excited for > this but It seems to work pretty well, except for everything that > cant see it doing behind the scenes. It seems this is a ton of > catalog look-ups to validate nothing exist. > > But the

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Dave Jousma
Oh, and in the custompac dialogs, there are exactly 4 jobs that I run after resolving new datasets that came along with the new release. - allocate and catalog the datasets (ALLOCDS) - restore the datasets (RESTORE) - update SMPE DDDEFS (UP) - and a modified version of RECATALOG datasets to T

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Dave Jousma
>Hey Dave > I ordered both, and you are right in 4 hours I had my z/OS loaded and IPLed > at least the initial IPL in test. However > >I wanted to try z/OSMF and I actually like the dataset naming flexibility, >much better than the dialogs and Alias's discovery. > >But all the background dataset

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Shaffer, Terri
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Richards, Robert B. (CTR) Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated External Email Shields up! This old dog wants to

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Shaffer, Terri
er 27, 2021 1:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated External Email I too ordered V2.5 in the "window" where you still have a choice on custompac dialogs or z/OSMF. I opted to go custompac one more time. I

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
ly ordering and downloading z/OS 2.5. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Dave Jousma Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 1:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated I too ordered V2.5

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Dave Jousma
I too ordered V2.5 in the "window" where you still have a choice on custompac dialogs or z/OSMF. I opted to go custompac one more time. I do echo Terri's sentiments that there should be a way to mostly seed a new z/OSMF instance whether there is a utility that reads the last saved custompac c

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Shaffer, Terri Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated External Email NVM, It how you select/filter the names that changes if you can modify or not.. Ms Terri E Shaffer Senior Systems En

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2021-10-27 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Behalf Of Shaffer, Terri Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated External Email Wanted to add a few other comments Since IBM is forcing everyone to z/OSMF with 2.5, not excited for this but

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Shaffer, Terri
IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated External Email Hi Kurt, There are lots of things I dislike about black boxes and not being able to take things on blind faith. In my 39 years as a system programmer that's gotten me into trouble

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2021-10-27 Thread Shaffer, Terri
terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kurt J. Quackenbush Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 8:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated External Email > Actually no

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> I still have some gripes but these occurred also with the old dialogue: > - SMPE.ZOS250.* non-VSAM datasets on the sysres are indirectly > cataloged because indirect cataloging by the installation dialogue > works at the volume level. Can you expound on this comment a bit? Are you saying you

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-27 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> Actually now I was totally able to customize all my dataset names, > which is really great. It is time consuming because I basically had > to change everything. Glad to hear you were able to customize the data set names to your liking. As already mentioned, next time I encourage you to use a

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-26 Thread Shaffer, Terri
al Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Keith Gooding Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 3:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated External Email Hi Terri. I had a more positive experience with z/osmf insta

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2021-10-26 Thread Keith Gooding
Hi Terri. I had a more positive experience with z/osmf installation of a z/os serverpac after some initial confusion. A long time ago I had created a ‘software instance’ from a pair of z/os 2.4 target/dlib zones. I used this as a model for my 2.5 installation and was very surprised when z/os

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues Updated

2021-10-26 Thread Shaffer, Terri
: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues External Email Well I tried, but there are way to many issues with using z/OSMF in my installation. First you cant fix the dataset names, you can only change the prefix, We use SYS1.qualifier for all

Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-26 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Well I tried, but there are way to many issues with using z/OSMF in my installation. First you cant fix the dataset names, you can only change the prefix, We use SYS1.qualifier for all datasets. When I run the server it just appends SYS1SSA as a HLQ and I am off running. Next SMPE datasets, I u

Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Tom Brennan
Fiche story: I had an autocommand that displayed the spool percentage every hour or so. Then maybe once a month I would run a program to grab all the percentages from syslog and produce a horizontal bar graph - just a simple line of 1 to 100 asterisks for each sample. I'd print months of tha

Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 26 Jul 2021 13:16:58 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote: >As I recall the only 1052 for use as a S/360 console was the 1052-7. I believe >that the 3210 also used the "golfball" but that the 3215 and 3287 had dot >matrix impact printers. > >Having C

Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Seymour J Metz
verpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests [Default] On 26 Jul 2021 06:37:53 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote: >Lot's of OS/360 MVT systems used a 1052-7, but that's not MVS. Did you >actually use the 3287 as a hardcopy console rather tha

Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 26 Jul 2021 06:37:53 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote: >Lot's of OS/360 MVT systems used a 1052-7, but that's not MVS. Did you >actually use the 3287 as a hardcopy console rather than for copying screens >and for applications? As I recall from ar

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread John Abell
Of Colin Paice Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 11:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests See Taking the brakes off ZFS on z/OS – move it to OMVS <https://colinpaice.blog/2021/02/17/taking-the-brakes-off-zfs-on-z-os-move-it-to-omvs/&g

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Colin Paice
-Original Message- > > From: Ed > To: IBM-MAIN > Date: Monday, 26 July 2021 12:12 AM CDT > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests > > On 7/25/2021 10:01 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: > > Running on a VM on a 400mip box doesn't count, n

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I may be pointin out the obvious, but maybe not so obvious for all - ya just never know I know some folks on my team, so glad they don't subscribe here, that will ask how toI point to some doc, they read what they want, when they get a failure or an error message they come back to me, I te

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/26/2021 7:50 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: also the recommendation if you do this; Specify KERNELSTACKS(ABOVE) when zFS is running in the OMVS address space. Haha! No kidding! You are way, Way, WAY behind the curve if you don't already have that specification... LOL -- Phoenix Software I

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Carmen Vitullo
also the recommendation if you do this; Specify KERNELSTACKS(ABOVE) when zFS is running in the OMVS address space. Carmen On 7/26/2021 9:48 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: thats my current setup also, and yes it appears all you need to do is remove the ASNAME and viola ! I think you still need t

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Carmen Vitullo
thats my current setup also, and yes it appears all you need to do is remove the ASNAME and viola ! I think you still need to make sure the IOEPRM DD is not in the PROC and is only in the parmlib? Carmen On 7/26/2021 9:44 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 7/26/2021 7:01 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: I've

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/26/2021 7:01 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: I've never tried to run zfs under omvs, but it looks pretty straight forward, soemthing I'd need to test. good doc here to help you set this up; https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.3.0?topic=zfs-installation-configuration-steps We currently specify

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Carmen Vitullo
From: Ed To: IBM-MAIN Date: Monday, 26 July 2021 12:12 AM CDT Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests On 7/25/2021 10:01 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: > Running on a VM on a 400mip box doesn't count, no. The information provided > to me was that the &q

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2021-07-26 Thread Seymour J Metz
Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Clark Morris [03b2c618bdfc-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 8:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests [Default] On 25 Jul 202

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/25/2021 10:01 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: Running on a VM on a 400mip box doesn't count, no. The information provided to me was that the "smallest" box that had been tested by IBM is a 400+mip one, so the answer is "no", none of those count. I'm frankly kind of astonished that it never oc

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Brian Westerman
Running on a VM on a 400mip box doesn't count, no. The information provided to me was that the "smallest" box that had been tested by IBM is a 400+mip one, so the answer is "no", none of those count. I'm frankly kind of astonished that it never occurred to IBM to test on the smallest box they

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2021-07-25 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 25 Jul 2021 14:56:33 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote: >Did you ever see a 1052-7, or even a 3210, on an MVS system? Admiitedly the D >U message flood is a nuisance even on a 3270, but every shop that I saw used >3066 and 3270 for consoles, with

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 25/07/2021 11:41 pm, Marna WALLE wrote: Concerning small environments, does having z/OS (and z/OS V2.5) available to all participating ISVs count as part of our early programs? Whereby they could use z/OS V2.5 and z/OSMF in their own environment, or use it as a z/VM guest? If you are compar

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests [Default] On 25 Jul 2021 06:42:01 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main mwa...@us.ibm.com (Marna WALLE) wrote: >Brian, >Concerning small environments, does having z/OS (and z/OS V2.5) available to

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Colin Paice
This might get more interest if they called it rent a system, rather than cloud. Cloud has many negative images for z/OS people. On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 14:23, Ed Jaffe wrote: > On 7/24/2021 11:14 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: > > You can rent an account on a dallas (or other) center machine and run >

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 25 Jul 2021 06:42:01 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main mwa...@us.ibm.com (Marna WALLE) wrote: >Brian, >Concerning small environments, does having z/OS (and z/OS V2.5) available to >all participating ISVs count as part of our early programs? Whereby they >could use z/OS V2.5 and z/OSM

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Marna WALLE
Brian, Concerning small environments, does having z/OS (and z/OS V2.5) available to all participating ISVs count as part of our early programs? Whereby they could use z/OS V2.5 and z/OSMF in their own environment, or use it as a z/VM guest? Does it count that these same ISVs, who can run in th

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/24/2021 11:14 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: You can rent an account on a dallas (or other) center machine and run real production. https://assets.toolbox.com/research/make-your-mainframe-environment-more-agile-and-responsive-with-ibms-zcloud-47582 -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaff

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-24 Thread Mike Schwab
You can rent an account on a dallas (or other) center machine and run real production. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 12:50 AM kekronbekron <02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I realized as much. > However, that's one way for IBM to build a bridge. > zSMB or something. > Instead o

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-24 Thread kekronbekron
I realized as much. However, that's one way for IBM to build a bridge. zSMB or something. Instead of leaving no option but to get out-of-support older machines (and h/w support from other companies), or getting more MSUs and such... IBM could instead sell software-only small machine. Comparing Mac

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2021-07-24 Thread Brian Westerman
Not really, the smaller the shop, the less programmers they have performing compiles, even if it takes 4 to 5 times as long to compile LE COBOL compared to something like COBOL-II, there are not enough of them to really matter. A large shop wouldn't see that same problem, because while the comp

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-24 Thread Brian Westerman
Unfortunately, you can't run a production system on a zPDT, it's not allowed under the agreement with IBM. On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 05:41:56 +, kekronbekron wrote: >And therein begins a new line where some company offers services to move small >machine workloads to zPDT. >Or whatever... > >- K

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2021-07-24 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 23 Jul 2021 21:21:19 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com (Brian Westerman) wrote: >Did you think to have even ONE of those early sites be one with a small >processor (single CPU) like a low end single CPU z/13, z14 or z15? Most >likely you didn't and that'

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread kekronbekron
And therein begins a new line where some company offers services to move small machine workloads to zPDT. Or whatever... - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, July 24th, 2021 at 9:51 AM, Brian Westerman wrote: > Did you think to have even ONE of those early sites be one with a s

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Brian Westerman
Did you think to have even ONE of those early sites be one with a small processor (single CPU) like a low end single CPU z/13, z14 or z15? Most likely you didn't and that's very sad. A good percentage of "new" clients that IBM has added over the past 5 to 8 years are in that boat and IBM has d

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Marna WALLE
Brian, >> Some of the problem here is that you are telling me what "will" be there, >> but I don't have anything that actually shows that or even implies it for >> z/OSMF for z/OS. I don't even have the workflows to verify anything. For the z/OS Workflows that you haven't seen yet, they are W

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Steve Smith
A USERMOD is overkill. SMP/E parmlib is specified in the JCL, so just create your own and use it. That's what I do. But if you really want to have a usermod, I don't mind. sas On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:26 AM Richards, Robert B. (CTR) < 01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Nice! thanks Bob     Carmen Vitullo -Original Message- From: Robert <01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN Date: Friday, 23 July 2021 7:26 AM CDT Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests For SMPWRKx datasets, see SYS1.S

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 8:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests Barb, how did you get my apply and accept sysouts :) joking aside, these datasets are the same datasets I've alway

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Barb, how did you get my apply and accept sysouts :) joking aside, these datasets are the same datasets I've always had space issues with or I needed to up the directory size, go thru the pain of allocating a .NEW datasets larger, or with more directories or both, copy the failed library to th

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