Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration
I absolutly agree. When I was with Mike, it was so nice to just sit or lay there in his arms or kissing him. I enjoyed that and sex didn't even come into mind. It defiantly hurt more when that ended than it did with other men when I was AB. Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration In a message dated 04/01/2005 02:51:54 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have no idea what if feels like to be with someone as a paraplegic. Stacy I personally have found that relationships are even more meaningfull being a para than what they were as a AB. Things like sex takes a back burner so the smaller things like kisses and cuddles become more stronger version of affection. I feel more tuned in with Steve than I did with anyone in the past when I was able bodied! Love Smurf xxx
Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration/sensitive
Title: Frustration/sensitive Houston, I'm glad you said what you said, because I portrayed you as someone who seems to get women a lot. I don't know why. Maybe just because you speak with so much confidence. I also do what you do. I am strong around people and they would never in a million years guess that I feel what I share with you all. I don't want to be weak around them or seem needy. I mostly do not want them to worry about me more than they already do. Stacy
Re: [QUAD-L] smelly urine
I ate oranges one time and had a terrible accident. Someone else had told me that happened to them. You won't catch me drinking OJ after that. Stacy - Original Message - From: Lori Michaelson To: Quad Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] smelly urine For some unknown reason (of mine) soda and cigarette smoking isn't good for the bladder according to Craig Hospital's website. Lots of water is great but can keep urine to alkaline. I drink a huge glass of OJ in the mornings along with over 100 ounces of water a day. Even by doing all the right things includingv sterile environments .. I still got a nasty bug 3 weeks ago. :-( Lori ---Original Message--- From: Eric W Rudd Date: 01/02/05 19:02:13 To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] smelly urine Maybe not get off Mt Dew, but add glasses of water between Dews to help flush. Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: B. Kimberlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 7:56 PMTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: ***Possible Spam*** Re: [QUAD-L] smelly urine I wish I could figure out definitively what my problem is, other than I need to get off of Mountain Dew.Billy
Re: [QUAD-L] Let science explain it? Wave-Making Earth Quaking
Many believe that AIDS will eventually wipe out the population and that is what it doing in South America. If it weren't for modern medicine people would be dying at a much faster rate and would be like plagues that hit many years ago. Stacy - Original Message - From: Lori Michaelson To: Quad Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Let science explain it? Wave-Making Earth Quaking Billy asked: "Did anyone see the interesting comment made by a religious leader in India on BBC? He said, in words to the effect, it is difficult to explain the presence of a benevolence deity when such seemingly malevolent events are wrought against innocent victims. Billy" Nope but no matter what they'll defend their deity to the end. Here's a quick read (below)on WHY it may have happened. Also, didya ever notice the earth is going to do whatever it wants WHEN it wants? Even way before pollution was an issue for it to be blamed upon. In real ancient times G_D was blamed for the locust plagues and many more. The Old Testament reveals that. That G_D was a tyrant. The Black Plague was another horror. People had not a clue what was causing it. Now we know. Now, science can explain much of what was not understood then. BTW, we subscribe to KnowledgeNews daily. Pretty neat stuff. If you don't get smarter getting old (or older) is more trouble than it's worth. :-) Our house--divided against itself On Sunday, a magnitude 9.0 earthquake struck the Indian Ocean, unleashing tsunamis that swamped coastal areas from Indonesia to Somalia. It was the most powerful earthquake on Earth in at least four decades, and one of the deadliest natural disasters in memory. What could cause such a quake? Today's KnowledgeEarth Quaking Much about the forces at work within the Earth remains unknown. But since the 1960s, geologists have increasingly explained seismic events through the theory of "plate tectonics." At the core of that theory is a simple premise--that Earth's seemingly solid surface is actually fractured and adrift. Stop the World, I Want to Get Off Earth's surface consists of a hard shell called the crust, which is broken into large chunks called plates. Plates can hold entire continents (as the North American Plate does) or entire oceans (as the Pacific Plate does). Often, they hold bits of both. The crust is actually a hard exterior on top of a much deeper layer, the mantle. Most of the mantle is made of thick liquid rock called magma, melted by heat from an even deeper layer--the Earth's core. The plates that make up the crust basically "float" on the mantle's magma. That means the plates and everything on them, including whole continents and oceans, are in continual motion. Their movement is slow, ranging from less than an inch a year to a top speed of about 6 inches (15 cm) a year, but it's real. Just what drives the movement isn't clear. It could be gravity. It could be convection currents within the mantle. It could be both. Setting Boundaries At certain places--called "divergent plate boundaries"--two plates move away from each other, and magma bubbles up from below the surface and hardens into new crust. When such divergence occurs under an ocean (as it usually does), it's called "seafloor spreading." When it occurs on land, it produces a "rift valley." At other places--called "convergent plate boundaries"--two
Re: [QUAD-L] Home Accessibility
My ideas for a kitchen will be put to work when I buy my own home. I am a para at the T-7 level and have a good reach. I would rid upper cabinets all together and have cabinets that go from the floor up.I would have a couple of sets. The door would open and inside would be shelved.Each shelf will pull out and I would have a drawer incorporated in them somehow.I would have a counter top in between the cabinets could be a little higher and I could pull my chair underneath it. The largest cabinet would be in the corner extending on each side. A spice rack would be on on the inside of one of the doors so easily accessible when the door is opened. Of course I would have a nice size kitchen to work with and possibly have an island that I could also pull my chair under. but now I am talking about big bucks to have the kitchen of my dreams. Stacy - Original Message - From: River Wolfe To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: Quad List Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Home Accessibility Hello Jessica,Your father is to be commended for his efforts. I am happy to answer your questions:On Jan 2, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Jessica Ann Gordon wrote: 1 -- what are the physical obstacles you deal with every day in your home or in public and how do they affect you?I must mention that I' m a t-4 para, so my answers will be a little different than some of the others.First of all, ramp guidelines are too steep for everyday use. I have a ramp in the middle of my home and it gets very tiring using it 20 times a day. Also, the ramp into the home, trying to come in with groceries etc is a pain.Hallways are too narrow, and doorways too narrow, also doors, when open into the hallway are in the way alot. Pocket doors are useful. My biggest complaint I believe is the difficulty with storage. Kitchen cabinets are too high and lower cabinets are very difficult to access. Pull out shelves and baskets help, but are expensive and limit the space you have available to use. Space problems are prevalent all over the house. Closets, garage storage, etc... To design a universally useable storage system would be awesome. The ability to open windows, and curtains would be a plus, windows must be clear of obstacles so that I can get up to them to open. This is practically impossible.Public obstacles are similar, carpet with a heavy nap comes to mind. Clothes racks which are too close together, counters too high. I know I'm missing stuff. 2 -- how would your life be different if you had a home custom built to work with you and your disability? what would you ask for in that home if money were not an issue?Life would be S much EASIER, less frustration and less wasted energy (physical mental), perhaps freeing up that energy for an increased ability to work.I would ask for the things in #1 and: an elevator, electronic everything (windows, curtains, doors, shelves, heated ramp outside, garage big enough for my van, completely accessible gardens outside, front loading washer/dryer, built in oven microwave, refrigerator with access to freezer. Roll in shower with built in bench, sauna. Totally state of the art accessible kitchen for ME my use. 3 -- how much time do you spend in your home in an average day?24 4 -- what modifications did you make to your living situation following your disability/accident?widened doorways, ramps, pulled up carpet, lowered some kitchen counters, made two rooms into one, enlarged bathroom, installed grabbars. 5 -- is there anything you would like architects, engineers and designers to know from your personal point of view? keep in mind, these are the people who can make or break accessibility for us.Spend some time in a wheelchair, without the pity factor. Make it a learning experience for your designs. Follow up on your plans with contractors and the actual installation of the design. Many people on the construction site will see a plan for access and not knowing what the heck it is, will change it back to the way they usually do it. IE: light switches lowered, tp rack lowered, outlets raised etc...WE HAVE VERY LITTLE $ to finance things.I'll write more as I think of it.R
Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration
I hear you Andrea. I don't look that much different than I did 3 years ago when I was walking and used to get hit on all the time. I never do anymore and I am just as outgoing as I used to be. I have never and will never let my disability hold me back meeting people. Just the way it is. I have no idea what if feels like to be with someone as a paraplegic. Stacy Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
Re: [QUAD-L] .....new year day
Oh, I see people with tags all the time and I often wonder to myself how many of them actually do have a valid reason for having the tag. I had words with someone at the mall about it one time. A young woman pulled into a spot with the license plate having the wheelchair thingy on it. I didnt see it but did say something to her b/c the whole parking lot was full and also the handy parking. She said it doesnt matter as long as the tag allows her to park there. It sucks that legally she is right and people don't have the morals to leave the spots for someone who needs them.I don't care so much about having to park somewhere else b/c the pushing doesnt bother me. It's the fact that there isn't enough room in between cars for me to get my wheelchair and transfer. Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] .new year day He kidsi rocked the 1st day of 2005 by going to the Outback Bowl in Tampa - Wisconsin vs Geogia, and what a GREAT game and weather. I was in tank top with it almost 80 degrees...my buddy and i showed up late, but bought two tickets outside for $25 for both. It was amazing, hardly any wheelchairs, so i went straight to 50 yardline...kinda baffling coz the disabled parking was completely full, but i saw only a few chairs, mthinkin a lot of ABs got parking tags!!Great start to 2005hope u peoples have prosperous year!!-tony c5c6 florida 24 years post
Re: [QUAD-L] Whack a penguin
LOL!!! cute. - Original Message - From: Houston809 To: quadlist Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Whack a penguin Subject: FW: Whack a penguinClick on link belowFun stuff. Click once and the penguin will jump. Click again to swing thebat and see how far you can send him across the ice.http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swfhttp://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf
Re: [QUAD-L] A heavy heart
I know what you mean River. It's hard and sad. It's those time when I feel bad about how I worry over my problems which aren't very bad considering most of those people lost everything. I also know it's a part of human nature. - Original Message - From: River Wolfe To: quadlist Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] A heavy heart Hi everyone,Anyone watching CNN is seeing around the clock coverage of the Tsunami/earthquake, it's so devastating. They estimate that 5 million people and 1 million children are displaced. Women have lost their husbands and for the majority of them, the sole wage earner. We have no idea the devastation that lies ahead for these countries and our world. The disaster will have far-reaching effects for those even in the richest of nations.I feel so helpless, having little economically to give, but will pledge some. Most of all, in times like this I think alot about what I would have done in my walking days. As I was prepared to join the Peace Corps before my accident, my instinct is to go help. BUT I CAN"T, and that tears me up.1 million children.peace,River
Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration
I do have those feelings yes. I don't understand it though because I don't have feeling in my legs, but I do in those areas. I'm not sure to what extent because I haven't 'been' with anyone since I got sick.Of course I have experimented, but don't really have any desire to and I thinkwhen or at this rate if I am with anyone, that is when I will know. I do have a sore on the bottom of my foot and that hurts me as well. I don't get it. My doctor said that the nerves to your pelvic area are the most protected on the spine so if I were to feel anywhere, it would be there. I do get sporadic sensations on my legs but never in the same places all the time. My doctor also told me that with my disease, it makes things very strange. No SCI is the same, but I am very much different because of the way it happened. I don't know if I ever explained it but my spine is very atrophied because of the disease and the damage left over from the inflammation the spine is still very much intact. I still sweat below my injury level, but the swelling is quite bad and I have more spasticity than most spinal cord patients. I'm having a hard time going through the holidays single. Most of my friends are married and/or have children. I don't have hardly any family and didn't have them here for Christmas and now alone for New Years. I find myself very left out because I dont have anyone. One of my best friends pretty much only does things with other couples. Like going out to dinner, playing cards, etc. She helps me through the waiver program, so the time we spend together is when she is here helping me out with something. She just got in an accident and her car got totaled plus she got a broken arm. I can't get into her new car because it's too low and awkward to transfer out of, so we don't really do anything together anymore. It's been difficult getting through the holidays and will be glad when they are over. I'm just not looking forward to the next6 weeks while everyone is making their valentines day arrangements. I am happy that everything is going well for you and Steve. When the time is right, everything will happen naturally. It's wonderful that he isn't pushing you into anything you are not ready to do. Keep taking it slow. Sorry for the book, Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration In a message dated 21/12/2004 04:17:36 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did think about going to that step, but I wasn't fixated on it. I was content just having the closeness at the time. It's the hugging, kissing, and cuddling that I miss so much instead of the act itself. Hi Stacy, I totally agree with you, even though I'm still with Steve it's the kissing, cuddles and hugs that I crave. Although we have talked a lot lately about taking the relationship further, we've been together for 5months now so I don't think we would be rushing into it, and his been so tolorant with it all bless him! I'm abit nervous about it all though, it's going to be the first time all round for me. I hope this isn't a too personal question, and if it is I do apologise, but to the females especially; do you still have the sexual sensations? I'm a bit worried that I won't be a "proper women" if I don't feel everything Happy new year folks! Love Smurf xxx
[QUAD-L] I got my van
I got my van about a month agothatwas used by another para but his chair was much smaller than mine. I am now trying to get the work done. It's killing me I have this van that I can't drive. The trigger on the lift to let the flap come down doesn't work, I can't pull my chair up to the wheel cause the hole is too small, and the seat doesn't turn around. ON top of it all, pushing a year later and the DMV still hasn't gotten to me to decide on whether or not they'll let me have my license. I have to get the work done to the van 3 hrs away because vocational rehab wont do it because the van is too old with too many miles on it. There aren't any mechanics or shops where I live that work with the agency that I use for the waiver program in my area. It feels like there isn't an end in sight. I know there is. I just pray after paying out so much money to put it on the road this is will all pay off. I don't know how I am surviving financially. I can't even ride in the damn thing because the tie downs in the back are in another little hole in the back where my chair doesn't fit. Say a prayer for me everyone because since my friends car got totaled, I am barely going anywhere and I am starting to get super depressed from not getting out and doing anything. Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] the bionic man I drove my van for the 1st time today. I had a transfer seat, hand controls, and door opener installed. The xfr seat is a bit awkward to use but the other stuff is way cool. It goes up/down, back/fwd, and turns up to 90 degrees. Sliding over and back is a pain but my driving will be the exception anyway. I don't mind being chauffeured. There are 4 magnetic switches in my tail light housing to operate the door and lift. Up, Down, Stow, and Close. A battery is now much more critical to my survival - oh joy. More mechanical crap that can kill me. Stranded in a dark van in June, July, or August in Phoenix is no place to be. I'll be keepiong my cell phone very handy from now on. Dave The moral flabbiness born of the bitch goddess Success. That- with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success- is our national disease. -William James 1906
Re: [QUAD-L] the bionic man
That is great news Dave. Good luck with the van. I'm sure everything will work out just fine. I hope that you put a blanket and gloves in there for warmth just in case. As far as the battery goes, I'm sure you have thought of carrying a set of jumper cables with you. I was told to carry cables that are lass than 8 gauges. Happy driving, Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] the bionic man I drove my van for the 1st time today. I had a transfer seat, hand controls, and door opener installed. The xfr seat is a bit awkward to use but the other stuff is way cool. It goes up/down, back/fwd, and turns up to 90 degrees. Sliding over and back is a pain but my driving will be the exception anyway. I don't mind being chauffeured. There are 4 magnetic switches in my tail light housing to operate the door and lift. Up, Down, Stow, and Close. A battery is now much more critical to my survival - oh joy. More mechanical crap that can kill me. Stranded in a dark van in June, July, or August in Phoenix is no place to be. I'll be keepiong my cell phone very handy from now on. Dave The moral flabbiness born of the bitch goddess Success. That- with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success- is our national disease. -William James 1906
Re: [QUAD-L] the bionic man
You may also consider getting an automatic starter. That way you can have the van running and warming up before you get into it. Also that way you won't be pulling off the battery too hard when using your lift. They are only about 50 bucks, Just a thought, Stacy - Original Message - From: Stacy Harim To: quad-list@eskimo.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] the bionic man That is great news Dave. Good luck with the van. I'm sure everything will work out just fine. I hope that you put a blanket and gloves in there for warmth just in case. As far as the battery goes, I'm sure you have thought of carrying a set of jumper cables with you. I was told to carry cables that are lass than 8 gauges. Happy driving, Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] the bionic man I drove my van for the 1st time today. I had a transfer seat, hand controls, and door opener installed. The xfr seat is a bit awkward to use but the other stuff is way cool. It goes up/down, back/fwd, and turns up to 90 degrees. Sliding over and back is a pain but my driving will be the exception anyway. I don't mind being chauffeured. There are 4 magnetic switches in my tail light housing to operate the door and lift. Up, Down, Stow, and Close. A battery is now much more critical to my survival - oh joy. More mechanical crap that can kill me. Stranded in a dark van in June, July, or August in Phoenix is no place to be. I'll be keepiong my cell phone very handy from now on. Dave The moral flabbiness born of the bitch goddess Success. That- with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success- is our national disease. -William James 1906
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: I got my van
LOL. I get like this about once a year. I make all these great accomplishments, but they hang over my head for a couple of months before I can actually touch them. It's like someone is dangling them over my head. I have been trying to figure out how to get the damn van since I got out of the hospital, now I have one, but all the obstacles. I'll be driving for awhile then it'll be something else. Like I got my associates, but don't know if I am gonna make it to the university this semester. Discouraging because I want to get freaking finished. I know it'll all work out one day, but everything has been such a fight with me. I want to be driving before school starts again, because for me to take public transportation is going to cost me 12 bucks a day and it will be 4 days a week. That damn thing is sitting out front and I can't do anything with it. I'll have to find that channel so I can watch the marathon. I haven't seen the twilight zone in years. Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:14 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Re: I got my van You make me all warm and fuzzy Stacey. HELP, I'M TRAPPED IN THIS BROKEN BODY - I'M GOING TO DIE IN HERE IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T GET ME OUT. (I'm watching a Twilight Zone marathon where they are trapped in a giant waste can atthe carnival. Some gave up and accept their fate while the sergeant fights to get out - and when he does, he finds the awful truth and prefers to jump back into the waste can with the others.) Rod Serling = genius. Dave in da can. In a message dated 12/31/2004 9:23:47 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I got my van about a month agothatwas used by another para but his chair was much smaller than mine. I am now trying to get the work done. It's killing me I have this van that I can't drive. The trigger on the lift to let the flap come down doesn't work, I can't pull my chair up to the wheel cause the hole is too small, and the seat doesn't turn around. ON top of it all, pushing a year later and the DMV still hasn't gotten to me to decide on whether or not they'll let me have my license. I have to get the work done to the van 3 hrs away because vocational rehab wont do it because the van is too old with too many miles on it. There aren't any mechanics or shops where I live that work with the agency that I use for the waiver program in my area. It feels like there isn't an end in sight. I know there is. I just pray after paying out so much money to put it on the road this is will all pay off. I don't know how I am surviving financially. I can't even ride in the damn thing because the tie downs in the back are in another little hole in the back where my chair doesn't fit. Say a prayer for me everyone because since my friends car got totaled, I am barely going anywhere and I am starting to get super depressed from not getting out and doing anything. Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] the bionic man I drove my van for the 1st time today. I had a transfer seat, hand controls, and door opener installed. The xfr seat is a bit awkward to use but the other stuff is way cool. It goes up/down, back/fwd, and turns up to 90 degrees. Sliding over and back is a pain but my driving will be the exception anyway. I don't mind being chauffeured. There are 4 magnetic switches in my tail light housing to operate the door and lift. Up, Down, Stow, and Close. A battery is now much more critical to my survival - oh joy. More mechanical crap that can kill me. Stranded in a dark van in June, July, or August in Phoenix is no place to be. I'll be keepiong my cell phone very handy from now on. Dave The moral flabbiness born of the bitch goddess Success. That- with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success- is our national disease. -William James 1906 The moral flabbiness born of the bitch goddess Success. That- with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success- is our national disease. -William James 1906
Re: [QUAD-L] the bionic man
OK, then with the automatic starter, the air can be going by the time you get in as well as the battery has less of a chance of pooping out if the van is running when using the lift. Again just a thought, Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] the bionic man Funny, keeping warm isn't a major task here in Phoenix. I'm more concerned with the 115 degree days when the inside of the van is 160 to 180 and I will need to transfer to the driver's seat after I enter and close the doors. A power failure will turn me into a mere grease stain on the carpet. Oh well, that's part of the price for dancing too close to the fire. I'd have been a pretty miserable and unfulfilled wallflower though. "Nice and easy" just isn't in my genes. (And yes, I passed them on 3 times.) M2HOF, Dave In a message dated 12/31/2004 9:32:42 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You may also consider getting an automatic starter. That way you can have the van running and warming up before you get into it. Also that way you won't be pulling off the battery too hard when using your lift. They are only about 50 bucks, Just a thought, Stacy - Original Message - From: Stacy Harim To: quad-list@eskimo.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] the bionic man That is great news Dave. Good luck with the van. I'm sure everything will work out just fine. I hope that you put a blanket and gloves in there for warmth just in case. As far as the battery goes, I'm sure you have thought of carrying a set of jumper cables with you. I was told to carry cables that are lass than 8 gauges. Happy driving, Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] the bionic man I drove my van for the 1st time today. I had a transfer seat, hand controls, and door opener installed. The xfr seat is a bit awkward to use but the other stuff is way cool. It goes up/down, back/fwd, and turns up to 90 degrees. Sliding over and back is a pain but my driving will be the exception anyway. I don't mind being chauffeured. There are 4 magnetic switches in my tail light housing to operate the door and lift. Up, Down, Stow, and Close. A battery is now much more critical to my survival - oh joy. More mechanical crap that can kill me. Stranded in a dark van in June, July, or August in Phoenix is no place to be. I'll be keepiong my cell phone very handy from now on. Dave The moral flabbiness born of the bitch goddess Success. That- with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success- is our national disease. -William James 1906 The moral flabbiness born of the bitch goddess Success. That- with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success- is our national disease. -William James 1906
Re: [QUAD-L] Mitrofanoff Procedure
I don't blame those of you that are quads to fear going into the hospital. When I left the critical care unit after a month, I was still unable to move or talk. I even had C.N.A. sit with me because I couldn't push the call button. I often woke up to find her asleep or not in the room. Unfortunatly I didn't know what was going on around me enough to complain b/c I wasn't really sure why she was there. I look back now and realize what was going on that I wasn't aware of at the time. Anyhow, I got some pressure sores that weren't very pretty. I didn't fall completely but I did fall in between the bed rail and the bed while being turned to get cleaned up. I couldn't talk so I wasnt able to direct my care. Hopkins is supposed to be one of the best hospitals, but I guess that means only has some of the best doctor's. When I was finally able to start talking, I was able to speak up. When I got to rehab at Hopkins, they gave me a really good air mattress so turning me wasnt an issue. When I got into the next rehab facility I wasn't on an air mattress anymore. Every time I woke up in the same position I was in as when I fell asleep, I started complaining. It still wasn't working. I asked for the nurse supervisor and it worked for a little while.I ended up complaining to my therapists, they in turn complained and finally there was a sheet to be signed next to my bed that the aides has to initial every time they came in to turn me. The complaining and finally able to direct my own care freed me of problems. A lot of the aides weren't crazy about me because they wanted to do things there own way, but hey, it's my body. I am very fortunate and able to move my upper body so my fear is over now. I know this time when I go in the hospital, I am taking my alarm clock with me so I don't have to count on the nurses to wake me up to turn or whatever. I have learned my lesson. Sorry for the story book, Stacy - Original Message - From: Lori Michaelson To: Quad Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Mitrofanoff Procedure I seem to be getting more infections every year. Unsure if you guys keep track of WHAT BUG you've had but I just had a culture result show "Proteus" (sp?). My initial symptom was fever (always is). The Dr first had me on Amoxicillin. After 7 days I had a follow-up lab test despite no fever. But major sediment. The office called saying they were not going to put me on an antibiodic for, ya know, resistance. Which I totally agree with.Bladders with foleys are usually colonized with E-coli or others. I was going to go ahead with their decision. But hubby insisted I call back ask WHAT was growing. With my hubby knowing microbiology and bad bugs ... when he found out it was proteus he insisted I be on something immediately. There are 4 bad bugsthat microbiologists call THE BIG FOUR as they're deadly. Salmonella, Shigalla, Pseudemonas (certain strain) and Proteus. I was put on a new antibiodic and it cleared stuff up. I'm afraid to have surgery or go into hospitals because of all the fuck-ups on me already and recent stories of Dr fuck-ups close to home (family, friends, acquaintences). Lori ---Original Message--- From: Stacy Harim Date: 12/28/04 15:38:39 To: B. Kimberlin; quad; River Wolfe Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Mitrofanoff Procedure The down side of the suprapubic is having to still wear the bed/leg bag. I want to rid that all together. Also I am not concerned with my hospital stay this time. When I was a quad and unable to turn myself, I had a few but since I am able to turn myself, even though I just sleep on a different side each night which works, I don't have any fears of pressure problems. Stacy - Original Message - From: River Wolfe To: B. Kimberlin ; quad Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Mitrofanoff Procedure hi,I have seriously considered this surgery, as an indwelling foley in the meatus is so troublesome over time. I also really would like to swim, mithrofanoff is the only thing aside from intermittent cathing through meatus, that will allow me to swim (according to my Dr.). After some serious consideration, I am choosing to have a superpubic instead. My partner doesn't qualify for "family leave" to care for me while in the hosp and recovering at home, so we can't even consider the
[QUAD-L] Re: Mitrofanoff Procedure
Thing is with the rehab hospital I was at, the doctors were only there for a few hours a day to check on daily progress of their patients. They rent out office space in the hospital to see those that have been discharged on one side of the hospital so are there if any problems but the patients would normally only see them for a few hours a day. I was there for 4 months and was my room was right next to the recreation room. I would often wake up to hear the television on. When I started self cathing, I would be woken up in the middle of the night and have conversations with the C.N.A.'s while doing so. I heard so many stories of what goes on there in the middle of the night. Also a lot to do with while I was finally getting woken up was the fact that I started to self cath and I moved hallways because where I was was at the end of the hall and the last room to get anything. I was always late to rehab b/c I was saved for last and needed the most help. I was the only spinal cord injury there. Most could do for themselves. they had knee or hip replacements, most of them. I moved closer to the nurses station and had different nurses and C.N.A.'s in my second room. I would often get woken up by C.N.A.'s that looked like they had just woken up themselves before I moved rooms. I would get left for hours when I would only get into bed to cath. No one knew how to help me transfer so they didn't want to. My therapists gathered everyone together to show them and they only half paid attention. Most complained that it wasn't there job and it wasn't that type of hospital. Something about acute and sub acute. My argument was if I could do everything myself, I wouldn't be there. I had problems even with a therapist. My first day in therapy there, my therapist wanted me to lift my leg which I couldn't do b/c I wasn't strong enough yet got upset with me b/c after trying I asked for help. She was in my room one day working on transfers into my bed getting upset with me because I wasn't pushing enough on my arm rest. A nurse overheard that and said something and she was quickly taken away from me. It amazes me the people that have little regard for others when they do a job. I am stern in advocating for myself. Not only was I doing my rehab but also trying to find a place to live, not taking no from anyone. I was writing letters to my representatives and making phone calls. It all paid off. I'm still doing the same now to get the things I need. Advocating for myself had kept sores off of my ass, a place to live, rental assistance after fighting for almost a year after I finally did get to a place to live, and now finally something to drive. Now I finally have a van (I forgot to mention it). It is set up for someone who had a very small chair so I still am not able to drive it. DORS won't do the work because it is almost 10yrs old and has more than 40,000 miles on it. My new task is getting it made accessible for me and I again won't be taking no for an answer and will get the work done. I think I can get it done through the waiver somehow, but the work will have to be done in Baltimore 3 hours away. Oh and the whole reason why I am going to school is to help people advocate for themselves. Many people don't know how and end up in endless no end situations. If I didn't speak up, that is where I would be now. If people don't like mebecause I am so demanding, then so be it. This is my life and I intend to be in control of it no matter what has happened to me. wow, I got myself worked up in this post. LOL!! I'm just saying, if more people spoke up for themselves no matter who it is or the situation they are in is, you'd be surprised at the results. Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: Mitrofanoff Procedure Nurses are normally good for following doctors orders. You get the doctor to sign a medical order for turning and it gets charted and initialed. Trying to get a nurse or aide to perform something that is not in the doctor's orders can be difficult.But you learn a much better lesson of advocating for yourself, while learning the defects of a bad system. Your advice should be taught as basic training when entering the emergency room.WIn a message dated 12/29/04 2:43:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I asked for the nurse supervisor and it worked for a little while. I ended up complaining to my therapists, they in turn complained and finally there was a sheet to be signed next to my bed that the aides has to initial every time they came in to turn me. The complaining and finally able to direct my own care freed me of problems. A lot of the aides weren't crazy about me because they wanted to do things there own way, but hey, it's my body.
Re: [QUAD-L] Mitrofanoff Procedure
I was supposed to get the surgery in January, but it doesn't look like the timing is going to work out. I am thinking about spring break but still not sure. I was told I would be in the hospital a week. Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Mitrofanoff Procedure Thanks Liz for the update on this proceedure. Having a doctor that has performed a number of these precedures instills more confidence in the consideration of having it done.WIn a message dated 12/28/04 3:13:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am a c6 and use self contained caths. I refer to them as pee-n-toss. Iself cath through a stoma in my belly button. There is no apparent "flap".it looks the same as it did before surgery. I have some scarring but it hasfaded. My doc used part of my intestine. They also may use your appendix.Talk to your surgeon and tell him you want to talk to HIS patients that havehad the procedure.It's a big surgery. At least 10 days in the hospital.
Re: [QUAD-L] Mitrofanoff Procedure
The down side of the suprapubic is having to still wear the bed/leg bag. I want to rid that all together. Also I am not concerned with my hospital stay this time. When I was a quad and unable to turn myself, I had a few but since I am able to turn myself, even though I just sleep on a different side each night which works, I don't have any fears of pressure problems. Stacy - Original Message - From: River Wolfe To: B. Kimberlin ; quad Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Mitrofanoff Procedure hi,I have seriously considered this surgery, as an indwelling foley in the meatus is so troublesome over time. I also really would like to swim, mithrofanoff is the only thing aside from intermittent cathing through meatus, that will allow me to swim (according to my Dr.). After some serious consideration, I am choosing to have a superpubic instead. My partner doesn't qualify for "family leave" to care for me while in the hosp and recovering at home, so we can't even consider the possibility that she could get time off. I don't relish the idea of having my internal organs messed with unless absolutely necessary. Not to mention being in the hospital for 10 days. Ironically, hospital care is the most dangerous care there is for us. No turning help, BP assistance is poor, infection is twice as likely...blah blah. They just don't have the time or concern that family members have, and that we need.My opinion, you choose what's right for you.RiverOn Dec 28, 2004, at 5:05 PM, B. Kimberlin wrote: The women I have known that have had this procedure took some time to recuperate fully. You might want to consider the summer break.BillyStacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I was supposed to get the surgery in January, but it doesn't look like the timing is going to work out. I am thinking about spring break but still not sure. I was told I would be in the hospital a week.Stacy- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:58 PMSubject: [QUAD-L] Mitrofanoff ProcedureThanks Liz for the update on this proceedure. Having a doctor that hasperformed a number of these precedures instills more confidence in theconsideration of having it done.WIn a message dated 12/28/04 3:13:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am a c6 and use self contained caths. I refer to them as pee-n-toss. Iself cath through a stoma in my belly button. There is no apparent "flap".it looks the same as it did before surgery. I have some scarring but it hasfaded. My doc used part of my intestine. They also may use your appendix.Talk to your surgeon and tell him you want to talk to HIS patients that havehad the procedure.It's a big surgery. At least 10 days in the hospital. Do you Yahoo!?The all-new My Yahoo! What will yours do?
Re: [QUAD-L] prepay phone plan
What plan do you use? Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] prepay phone plan I love my pay as you go plan. I use mine for emergencies only so the 40 cents a minute is ok. To get more minutes, I dial #611 and enter minutes wanted and a credit card number. Instant more minutes. Very cool. If I don't make one call in a month, they charge me $4.00. (so I call the wife and say "hey goober, phone check") In a message dated 12/28/2004 3:36:35 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all,Well after the massive storm and a "series of unfortunate events" ;-) I've decided to get a cell phone. I need a prepay plan and a phone. There are tons of packages out there, I thought I'd see what plans others have and what they like. Verizon is out, they have terrible customer service.TIA,River
Re: [QUAD-L] Sad news
You got it Eric. Please don't be so hard on yourself. You are human and we as humans have the "won't happen to me attitude." You aren't the blame and now that he is gone, he is with you always. I am sure he understands that you love him and never wanted or wished any harm on him. I'll pray for his family and also for you Eric. Stacy - Original Message - From: Eric Olson To: quad Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Sad news Gang,With all the troops in Iraq, you never think your one relative over there is going to be one of the ones not coming home. My cousin, Todd Olson was killed in Iraq. He wasn't even there two months. I found out yesterday. He could have been killed on Christmas and I just found out yesterday. Regardless, Christmas will never again be a happy occasion for his wife and four kids. I feel so guilty. I never even wrote him. I never prayed. I just didn't think he would be one to get killed. Please don't let my cousin's death be the renewal to some bullshit political debate. Just pray for his family. Eric
Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration LOL!!! True. - Original Message - From: Houston809 To: Stacy Harim ; andrea murray Cc: quadlist Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration Stacy thats because we all know it doesnt take much 2 satisfy a man in the bedroom. :) we come we roll over go 2 sleep.:)On 12/23/04 3:57 PM, "Stacy Harim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is true that quad men are know for their abilities in the bedroom. They are said to know how to really please a woman. Never heard it the other way around before.Stacy - Original MessIage - From: andrea murray mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stacy Harim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:52 PMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] FrustrationThanks Stacy, You have shared your feeling about us women. I know that the men on the quid list is not superficial, but they do not thank about the quad women. How we feel! I just want to be held and love by a man I love. But, every time I think me soul mate is found he disappeared. How do us girl get good feeling about ourselfs? What do you guys want from us? We don't have the thumb. Wheelchair Warrior AndreaStacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry. I know that. I should have said most. I know also that you guys here on the list aren't. I apologize for saying it because I knew when I said it that ALL men AREN'T superficial.can you find in your heart to forgive me?,Stacy - Original Message - From: Martin T. Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stacy Harim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Steve Oldaker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; andrea murray mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:52 AMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration[quote] Men are superficial. They just think we can't have sex, therefore they can't get off. [/quote]Stacy don't swing this term above imposing that all men are superficial, we are not.QuadMedic - Original Message - From: Stacy Harim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Oldaker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; andrea murray mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:05 AMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] FrustrationWhat my friend Andrea said is so true. I'm in the prime of my life at 30. I'm not a beauty queen, but I think that I am an attractive person. I used to get hit on all the time. Some of you guys talk about how you have had girlfriends, partners, wives. A lot of women like men in chairs because they feel less threatened. Men are superficial. They just think we can't have sex, therefore they can't get off. I go out on occasion. Before I got sick I used to get hit on all the time and get drinks bought for me. Since I got sick, I haven't had someone I don't know buy me a drink since I got sick. Socializing and talking to new people is not a problem and I am a very approachable person. I have a good time, dance, and smile while I am out. We never sit at a table. We are always at the bar or in the general area. Never have our backs to people. I know the chances of meeting my soul mate in a ! bar aren't good, but damn, they don't even look twice.It's funny, we went to a customer appreciation party at a rest/club/bar. They had a DJ. My friends and I were up there dancing and some woman came up and started dancing with me, holding my hands and treating me like I was mentally disabled. Telling my friend who is also a girl how pretty I was. It was so funny. I was cracking up. Trying to pull my hands away, she wouldn't let me. Was pretty strange.Just a funny story to share. My Gift to you,Stacy - Original Message - From: andrea murray mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Oldaker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:09 PMSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] FrustrationBilly, Sexual frustration is the big problem for me too. First of all be being a women with a disability is really hard to get a man to just to see you as being sexual
Re: [QUAD-L] Also new to group--thoughts and questions
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Also new to group--thoughts and questions I feel the same way. I live 30 miles from the University I am transferring to for the Spring semester. I am 30 yrs old. Living on campus doesn't sound very desirable at all. I'd rather communte. Most that live on campus are between 19 and 22. Not my cup of tea. Plus I would miss my friends who live close by me here and my cat would miss me. Stacy - Original Message - From: Houston809 To: B. Kimberlin ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quadlist Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Also new to group--thoughts and questions It truly is a good thought if I was a lil younger Id never pass up on an opportunity 2 be around all those lovely young female students. But now being 38 Im not really feeling the idea of living on campus. The PCA thought isnt that scurrry Im sure that being in college there will be plenty of future nurses around. Im pretty good at making friends and the nursing students would be my 1st place 2 visit.HoustonOn 12/24/04 9:39 PM, "B. Kimberlin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is a great suggestion wheelchair. There is an individual at the University of South Florida that has made a significant impact on the school by deciding to live on campus. He has noticed several deficiencies and been able to enact changes for the benefit of other disabled students. Travel is such an enormous issue and is effectively nullified when living on campus. There is also an additional benefit of living on campus. The social life is much more available for one living close to the school and the ability to form lasting bonds of friendships is much more accessible. I'm sure there are several negatives, like getting reliable PCA's. But all in all this is a good suggestion.Billy Paul[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Houston, as you've learned and learned dearly.. Planning is everything.IU, Purdue, and Ball State have live in programs where you live on campus in accessible housing while you are getting an education. This way you can concentrate on you goal of getting a or multiple degrees while you are receiving a 4-5 year education. Having to travel from your apartment to class is too demanding. Living on campus means that you have food, shelter and ready references at hand. Its always something worth considering.Best WishesWIn a message dated 12/24/04 7:05:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But IvyTech look out 4 me I1m on my way.Houston Do you Yahoo!?Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29909/*http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [QUAD-L] Social life
You are so fortunate to have him. I have 2 parents that love me but neither in a position for me to go with them if anything were to happen to me.My Mom is an only child so no extended family overthere and adopted by myDad when I was 2. I really don't have muchof a relationship with any of them.I have a relationship with his brother and his wife. My cousins are still teenagers. I'm in Maryland, they are in Penn. Family just wasn't an option for me when I got out of the hospital. I was in rehab a total of just about 7 months to learn to live on my own. That was just inpatient. I had another couple of months of outpatient after that. Most of my friends didn't stick around. The guy that I was dating didn't bother. We weren't that serious since we had just started dating, but I haven't seen him since. I have made one new true friend since my illness. I have brothers, but my younger one counts of me more than I can ever count on him. He is so irresponsible and is always in legal problems. I have an older brother that I haven't talked to in almost 2 yrs. He gets weird a lot and cuts himself off from everyone. I have a half brother that I didn't even know until I was 23. I'm 30 now. We have a good relationship but I can't expect him to take me in if anything were to happen. Dating is pretty much a no go these days so no man to count on. I'm not feeling sorry for myself, but those of you in relationships, have children, and or a support system of family and many friends are so fortunate. I am happy with my accomplishments, but I did them by myself for the most part. I cried almost everyday in the hospital b/c I thought I was never going to live normally again, because I couldn't do what a lot of newly spinal cord injured do and live with my family until I got better enough to live alone. I had to go from hospital to living on my own without the transition. Hardest thing I have ever gone through and probably the hardest thing I will ever have to go through in my life. Just want to make it clear that I in no way am feeling sorry for myself b/c of the adversity I have had to overcome aside from my illness. Has only made me stronger, but I still long for the tight bonds that other people have with a partner. Stacy Stacy - Original Message - From: Lori Michaelson To: Quad Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Social life It's VERY hard to find true blue friends anymore. People just seem to not want to take the time to invest all it takes to take on the burdens, risks responsibilities that REAL BONDING FRIENDSHIPS require. One person I know who'd fit the bill is my best friend from high school. While she did go on her way with getting an unwanted pregnancy and marriage ... we've been again in contact although now 3000 miles away. She went thru all my hospital stay (over a yr) with me my family. And we were tight before my accident. We had a long talk one night on friendships and she too feels the same although she's made one or two close friends since moving to Milford, PA um 15+ yrs ago. If it weren't frigid there and she lived closer to medical care ... I might move. I just found out this past week (during a visit w/ my eldest sister) that if something were to happen to my husband she wouldn't/couldn't do anything more than help me into an asst living facility. Been there, did that..no thanks! Now I see where my REALfamily values are :-( I only have 2 sisters. Parents both deceased. Aunts, Uncles are either dead or decrepit. Cousins are only acquaintences. I grew up with my parents grandparents owning their own businesses in a small town. They both had hundreds of friends because of both criteria. Our house was NATURALLY Grand Central Station or The Dew Drop-Inn but with people known for dozens of yrs. That's all gone now. I am extremely envious of so many I know who have offspring and thus extended family. Just me my husband this past T-day and upcoming Christmas. He's all I'm thankful for. Lori C4/5 quad Tucson, AZ www.michaelsons.org ---Original Message--- From: Greg Date: 12/22/04 19:23:05 To: Ed Awe; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Social life I never found real friends at support groups, etc. My only real friends have been neighbors and friends of my families, people I can see often, not having to rely on someone to take me. But for many many years I couldn't find any, though had many
Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration
It is true that quad men are know for their abilities in the bedroom. They are said to know how to really please a woman. Never heard it the other way around before. Stacy - Original MessIage - From: andrea murray To: Stacy Harim Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration Thanks Stacy, You have shared your feeling about us women. I know that the men on the quid list is not superficial, but they do not thank about the quad women. How we feel! I just want to be held and love by a man I love. But, every time I think me soul mate is found he disappeared. How do us girl get good feeling about ourselfs? What do you guys want from us? We don't have the thumb. Wheelchair Warrior AndreaStacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry. I know that. I should have said most. I know also that you guys here on the list aren't. I apologize for saying it because I knew when I said it that ALL men AREN'T superficial. can you find in your heart to forgive me?, Stacy - Original Message - From: Martin T. Brown To: Stacy Harim ; Steve Oldaker ; andrea murray Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration [quote] Men are superficial. They just think we can't have sex, therefore they can't get off. [/quote] Stacy don't swing this term above imposing that all men are superficial, we are not. QuadMedic - Original Message - From: Stacy Harim To: Steve Oldaker ; andrea murray Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration What my friend Andrea said is so true. I'm in the prime of my life at 30. I'm not a beauty queen, but I think that I am an attractive person. I used to get hit on all the time. Some of you guys talk about how you have had girlfriends, partners, wives.A lot of women like men inchairs because they feel less threatened. Men are superficial. They just think we can't have sex, therefore they can't get off. I go out on occasion. Before I got sick I used to get hit on all the time and get drinks bought for me. Since I got sick, I haven't had someone I don't know buy me a drink since I got sick. Socializing and talking to new people is not a problem and I am a very approachable person. I have a good time, dance, and smile while I am out. We never sit at a table. We are always at the bar or in the general area. Never have our backs to people. I know the chances of meeting my soul mate in a ! bar aren't good, but damn, they don't even look twice. It's funny, we went to a customer appreciation party at a rest/club/bar. They had a DJ. My friends and I were up there dancing and some woman came up and started dancing with me, holding my hands and treating me like I was mentally disabled. Telling my friend who is also a girl how pretty I was. It was so funny. I was cracking up. Trying to pull my hands away, she wouldn't let me. Was pretty strange. Just a funny story to share. My Gift to you, Stacy - Original Message - From: andrea murray To: Steve Oldaker Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Frustration Billy, Sexual frustration is the big problem for me too. First of all be being a women with a disability is really hard to get a man to just tosee you as being sexual. Even men with a disability want a non-disability women. Like Steve if you gave the slution PLEASE let me know. Wheelchair WarriorSteve Oldaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy... Do I suffer sexual frustration? Only daily, many times... If you find the solution, share it with the group! Steve -Original Message-From: B. Kimberlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:39 PMTo: QuadSubject: [QUAD-L] Frustration This is a serious question, not to insinuate that other questions are not, but I recall one individual who was so preoccupied
Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration
What my friend Andrea said is so true. I'm in the prime of my life at 30. I'm not a beauty queen, but I think that I am an attractive person. I used to get hit on all the time. Some of you guys talk about how you have had girlfriends, partners, wives.A lot of women like men inchairs because they feel less threatened. Men are superficial. They just think we can't have sex, therefore they can't get off. I go out on occasion. Before I got sick I used to get hit on all the time and get drinks bought for me. Since I got sick, I haven't had someone I don't know buy me a drink since I got sick. Socializing and talking to new people is not a problem and I am a very approachable person. I have a good time, dance, and smile while I am out. We never sit at a table. We are always at the bar or in the general area. Never have our backs to people. I know the chances of meeting my soul mate in a bar aren't good, but damn, they don't even look twice. It's funny, we went to a customer appreciation party at a rest/club/bar. They had a DJ. My friends and I were up there dancing and some woman came up and started dancing with me, holding my hands and treating me like I was mentally disabled. Telling my friend who is also a girl how pretty I was. It was so funny. I was cracking up. Trying to pull my hands away, she wouldn't let me. Was pretty strange. Just a funny story to share. My Gift to you, Stacy - Original Message - From: andrea murray To: Steve Oldaker Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Frustration Billy, Sexual frustration is the big problem for me too. First of all be being a women with a disability is really hard to get a man to just tosee you as being sexual. Even men with a disability want a non-disability women. Like Steve if you gave the slution PLEASE let me know. Wheelchair WarriorSteve Oldaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy... Do I suffer sexual frustration? Only daily, many times... If you find the solution, share it with the group! Steve -Original Message-From: B. Kimberlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:39 PMTo: QuadSubject: [QUAD-L] Frustration This is a serious question, not to insinuate that other questions are not, but I recall one individual who was so preoccupied with sex that I felt compelled to leave the site for a short amount of time just to get away from him. Anyway, does anyone else on here suffer from bouts of extreme sexual frustration? I frequently attribute this frustration to a lack of female companionship, but it is often very difficult to concentrate on other things when I become fixated on this particular subject. Any suggestions? Billy Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [QUAD-L] Thumb sex male quads
Title: Thumb sex male quads Personally I have not even been hit on since my disability. I am sure that I would try to compensate for what I can't do. For those of you that say it's how we portray ourselves. I am told often by the people I talk to that I am so strong for overcoming such adversity and having such a good attitude about life and how its awesome that I am working towards my goals. If I could only get someone my age that isn't weird to approach me to find out how great of a person I am and find out that I would do my best to compensate for my inabilities when intimacy is involved. Wow, can't believe I am talking about this, Stacy - Original Message - From: Houston809 To: paul ; quadlist Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:27 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Thumb sex male quads U go Paul. ) last yr we talked about sex a lot. And I think I was voted TOP Quad THUMB SEXPERT of THE YEAR :) Im sure youve done the thumb sex thing by now. I can swear that Ive cum DAMN near BLEW the TOP of MY THUMB OFF as youve sex is a mental thing. We as men didnt know that prior 2 these injuries. So if quadriplegia taught us nothing else it taught us the real meaning of foreplay and how 2 make love.On 12/21/04 4:28 PM, "paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,I have dealt with sexual frustration since my injury.Before my injury I had a happy and healthy sex life.After my injury I did have a relationship that lasted six years.I learned and enjoyed a new sex life,I am a C5/6 quad.It was wonderful.I talked with a urologist concerning erections and had some success.I learned sex is just not about penetration.There are many ways to enjoy sex after paralysis.The relationship has since turned to friendship.I miss so much just to hold her.I have not giving up hope that we might recapture our intamacy or another relationship may lay ahead with another woman.It feels good getting this out.I know one thing,I am going to keep on rolling no matter what.Happy Holidays,Paul
Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration
I'm sorry. I know that. I should have said most. I know also that you guys here on the list aren't. I apologize for saying it because I knew when I said it that ALL men AREN'T superficial. can you find in your heart to forgive me?, Stacy - Original Message - From: Martin T. Brown To: Stacy Harim ; Steve Oldaker ; andrea murray Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration [quote] Men are superficial. They just think we can't have sex, therefore they can't get off. [/quote] Stacy don't swing this term above imposing that all men are superficial, we are not. QuadMedic - Original Message - From: Stacy Harim To: Steve Oldaker ; andrea murray Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration What my friend Andrea said is so true. I'm in the prime of my life at 30. I'm not a beauty queen, but I think that I am an attractive person. I used to get hit on all the time. Some of you guys talk about how you have had girlfriends, partners, wives.A lot of women like men inchairs because they feel less threatened. Men are superficial. They just think we can't have sex, therefore they can't get off. I go out on occasion. Before I got sick I used to get hit on all the time and get drinks bought for me. Since I got sick, I haven't had someone I don't know buy me a drink since I got sick. Socializing and talking to new people is not a problem and I am a very approachable person. I have a good time, dance, and smile while I am out. We never sit at a table. We are always at the bar or in the general area. Never have our backs to people. I know the chances of meeting my soul mate in a bar aren't good, but damn, they don't even look twice. It's funny, we went to a customer appreciation party at a rest/club/bar. They had a DJ. My friends and I were up there dancing and some woman came up and started dancing with me, holding my hands and treating me like I was mentally disabled. Telling my friend who is also a girl how pretty I was. It was so funny. I was cracking up. Trying to pull my hands away, she wouldn't let me. Was pretty strange. Just a funny story to share. My Gift to you, Stacy - Original Message - From: andrea murray To: Steve Oldaker Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Frustration Billy, Sexual frustration is the big problem for me too. First of all be being a women with a disability is really hard to get a man to just tosee you as being sexual. Even men with a disability want a non-disability women. Like Steve if you gave the slution PLEASE let me know. Wheelchair WarriorSteve Oldaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy... Do I suffer sexual frustration? Only daily, many times... If you find the solution, share it with the group! Steve -Original Message-From: B. Kimberlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:39 PMTo: QuadSubject: [QUAD-L] Frustration This is a serious question, not to insinuate that other questions are not, but I recall one individual who was so preoccupied with sex that I felt compelled to leave the site for a short amount of time just to get away from him. Anyway, does anyone else on here suffer from bouts of extreme sexual frustration? I frequently attribute this frustration to a lack of female companionship, but it is often very difficult to concentrate on other things when I become fixated on this particular subject. Any suggestions? Billy Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Emoticon8.gif
Re: [QUAD-L] Frustration
I have to tell ya that I haven't had sex since before my illness. It isn't the sex that is lacking for me. I was seeing someone for a short time, but we never got to that point in our relationship. I did think about going to that step, but I wasn't fixated on it. I was content just having the closeness at the time. It's the hugging, kissing, and cuddling that I miss so much instead of the act itself. I wish that there were some advice that I could give you, but I still miss it all the time. No times do I miss it any less than any other time. I am open for some suggestions myself. Stacy - Original Message - From: B. Kimberlin To: Quad Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Frustration This is a serious question, not to insinuate that other questions are not, but I recall one individual who was so preoccupied with sex that I felt compelled to leave the site for a short amount of time just to get away from him. Anyway, does anyone else on here suffer from bouts of extreme sexual frustration? I frequently attribute this frustration to a lack of female companionship, but it is often very difficult to concentrate on other things when I become fixated on this particular subject. Any suggestions? Billy Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.
Re: [QUAD-L] Brain Teaser
I got it. The trick is to look at each letter instead of reading it and looking at the same time. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Brain Teaser BRAIN TEASERCount the "F's" in the following text:FINISHED FILES ARE THE RESULT OF YEARS OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY COMBINED WITH THE EXPERIENCE OF YEARS...(see below)Managed it ? Scroll down only after you have counted them, okay?How many? 3?Wrong, there are 6! -- no joke.Read it again.The reasoning behind is further down.The brain cannot process "OF".Incredible or what ?Go back and look again!!Anyone who counts all 6 "F's" on the first go is a geniusThree is normal, four is quite rare.Send this to your friends -- it drives them crazy.
Re: [QUAD-L] Hello all
Welcome to the list. Don't feel bad about not getting to the list. When school is going for me I don't even reply to a lot of the ones that I want to reply to. I even do a lot of deleting. I just don't have time to read every post. I am sure that everyone understands. Just read and post as often as you can. Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Hello all I have been reading this list for about a month now. I decided I should come out and introduce myself officially. I am Tracy. C5-6 quad, 27 yrs. post. (car accident) I live in Texas on my own. I am curious as to whether anyone knows how Smurf made it through her day alone. Smurf, if you are readingI hope you got my email and that you had a GREAT time alone. :^)I look forward to getting to know you guys, but I'll warn you, I don't check in every day so if you ask me something and don't get an answer for a few days, it is not personal. I promise!Tracy
Re: [QUAD-L] Medicinal Marijuana
It looks like Bush still has one or two advisors left under his wing. They already know there are benefits because it is prescribed already. A lot of people just buy it on the street because they can't get it legally. If it were made legal, the government could get this money. What is wrong with the way they think? Stacy - Original Message - From: QuadPirate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:43 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Medicinal Marijuana This is a joke, now the government won't even let you study the medicinal values of medicinal marijuana without their approval but they stillsupply around seven people in the US under the INDPfor 20 or more years now for medicinal reasonsbut they won't research the same people they're supplying for some strange(Pharmaceutical companies)reason This administration is failing it's people and lining the pockets of big business as we suffer and it's really pissing me off. As everyone has seen lately our own soldiers are criticizing the incompetence of those in charge and they're dumbfounded when confronted to answers andJohn McCain has had enoughand is speaking out and this man's a true leader I wish he was in charge! College Fails in Bid to Grow MarijuanaBy DONALD G. McNEIL Jr. Published: December 14, 2004 longstanding request to grow marijuana at the University of Massachusetts so it can be tested for medical uses has been turned down by the Drug Enforcement Administration. The decision was faxed to the university on Friday and made public yesterday by the Marijuana Policy Project, an independent group that favors legalization of marijuana, particularly for medical uses. Advertisement A spokeswoman for the D.E.A. said the agency would have no comment beyond its order, which gave the university 30 days to appeal. The dispute is over marijuana in its smoked or vaporized form. Capsules of THC, or tetrahydrocannabinol, one of the plant's active ingredients, can be prescribed in many states for cancer and AIDS patients suffering nausea and appetite loss. But proponents of medical marijuana argue that the inhaled form is more effective and contains more than 50 active ingredients that the capsules do not. In its order, drug agency said the lone government-licensed marijuana farm, operated by the University of Mississippi, grew enough for researchers. It said that 18 medical studies using the drug had been approved since 2000. But Dr. Lyle E. Craker, the professor of plant biology at the University of Massachusetts who applied for the license three years ago, said researchers complained that the government's marijuana was weak and that it was hard to get permission to use it. "We wanted to have a source independent from the government and with a known potency so doctors can run clinical trials," he said. Researchers would still have needed D.E.A. permission to work with the drug.
Re: [QUAD-L] Chat
Actually they are this week. I'll let you know Thurs. Hopefully I'll have some hair left b/c I am ready to pull it out. Stacy - Original Message - From: B. Kimberlin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Chat How did you do on your finals? I just finished mine and what a relief it is to be done for a little while. BillyStacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I enjoyed it. Since finals are over, I should get in there. It was nice meeting you Mack. Glad you could get in there.! - Original Message - From: QuadPirate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Chat Had a great time Dave I'll see you there! Mark ---Original Message--- From: David K. Kelmer Date: Saturday, December 11, 2004 4:43:37 PM To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Chat Hi Mark, And a very fine chat it was, too. I hope tosee you therenext week. :) With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA QuadPirate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few of us are in chat at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DisabledOfAmerica/ if anyone wants to join in please come by. Mark Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more.
Re: [QUAD-L] Chat
I enjoyed it. Since finals are over, I should get in there. It was nice meeting you Mack. Glad you could get in there.! - Original Message - From: QuadPirate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Chat Had a great time Dave I'll see you there! Mark ---Original Message--- From: David K. Kelmer Date: Saturday, December 11, 2004 4:43:37 PM To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Chat Hi Mark, And a very fine chat it was, too. I hope tosee you therenext week. :) With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA QuadPirate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few of us are in chat at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DisabledOfAmerica/ if anyone wants to join in please come by. Mark
Re: [QUAD-L] $42 magic bullets in stock at allegro medical
Yea, we should be the company that makes a product like the magic bullet to give them some competition. We'd make a killing and now we have a name. LOL!! Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: QuadPirate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] $42 magic bullets in stock at allegro medical ROTFLMAO Stacy! Ihave a new name for Magic Bullets let's call them Crack-Crack the crackfor your crack lol! Mark ---Original Message--- From: Stacy Harim Date: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:49:21 PM To: Quad-List Subject: [QUAD-L] $42 magic bullets in stock at allegro medical Hey everyone. Everyone is out of stock of the magic bullets. They are in stock here http://www.allegromedical.com/home/search.asp for the low price of 42 bucks. I guess they are competing with exmed because they are the same price and everyone else is really high. I think everyone should know so pass it on. Those damn things are like crack to the sci community. Stacy
Re: [QUAD-L] $42 magic bullets in stock at allegro medical
It works better for me. Magic Bullet is water based and dulcolax or the generic of are oil based. With those I have had little accidents the next day from not completely evacuating. No issues since I started using the magic bullet Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Brian Stocker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] $42 magic bullets in stock at allegro medical Guys, there is no magic in the bullet that I can see. active ingredient 10 mg bisacodyl. I just bought 12 active ingredient 10 mg bisacodyl suppositories at rite-aid for $6.00If you prefer, you can buy dulcolax, a name brand with the same ingredient. If you want something special, try enemeez. Nobody has created docusate sodium, for rectal insertion.Merry Christmas,BrianQuadPirate wrote: ROTFLMAO Stacy! I have a new name for Magic Bullets let's call them Crack-Crack the crack for your crack lol! Mark ---Original Message--- From: Stacy Harim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:49:21 PM To: Quad-List mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [QUAD-L] $42 magic bullets in stock at allegro medical Hey everyone. Everyone is out of stock of the magic bullets. They are in stock here http://www.allegromedical.com/home/search.asp for the low price of 42 bucks. I guess they are competing with exmed because they are the same price and everyone else is really high. I think everyone should know so pass it on. Those damn things are like crack to the sci community. Stacy Add FUN to your email - CLICK HERE! http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=54475
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: [Spinalcordinjury] Update on my buddy
I am so sorry to hear about your friend. I have some advice although our situations are a bit different. I am at T7/8 level. I got sick from a rare type of encephalitis that inflamed my brain and spinal cord. I woke up with a hurt back one day, went to the doctor's to have him tell me I slept on it wrong and gave me a script for muscle relaxer's. I went home and fell asleep on the couch and that is the last thing I remember. I woke up in the hospital a month later. My family was told that I would suffer from neurological damage. If I survived I would not show any signs of recover for 6 months to a year and never be independent. I came out of the hospital 8 months later and into my own place and have lived on my own for 3 years so far.When I woke up from the coma, I was paralyzed from the neck down. I was on the vent another couple of weeks after that then also had a trach. It was so much easier for the doctors and me. While I was on the vent, they didx-rays every day to make sure that fluidsweren't settling in since I wasn't moving at all. I eventually got rid of the trach and have a small scar that isn't very noticeable on my neck. Now, I am completely independent as far as self care goes. I go to school and getting ready to get my license since I just got a van. I know that my story is different than your friends, but I hope that it shows you that you can't go by what the doctors say all the time. His recovery has a lot to do with how he handles it. If he gives up then of course it is going to slow him down in his recovery. Let's pray he's a fighter and it seems that he has loving people around him that will motivate him and that always helps. I partly wanted to get better for them as well as myself. I will say a prayer for all of you and you now know where we are so ask away if you have any questions. We'll be here waiting for him when he gets better. Good luck with everything, Stacy P.S. It's funny you mentioned the monitors spiking. My Mom said mine did she told me a certain person would be visiting or when my roommate was in the room singing some stupid song she knows I hate and she has a god awful voice. It's weird how we react when unconscious. Last night I visited my buddy in the hospital. He isstill unconscious. I have not heard the word comaused yet but I guess that is what this is. I foundout that he broke T7, so I looked it up in the SCIbook from the library and it says he should be able topropel a wheelchair, feed himself, drive a car (withthe right modifications), transfer in and out ofchair. This is the good news.The breathing tube is out and instead he has atracheotomy. A friend tells me that that is easier onthe respiratory system than the tube. Is that true?The bandages are off his head and the swelling isdown. He looks like himself again, only a littlepuffy.His brother told me that he has some awareness ofwhat's going on. When his ex-wife visited, all hismonitors started spiking. :)I met his nurse for the first time and got a sensethat he might also have neurological damage. He had askull fracture in the accident and so far everyone'sbeen focused on the paralysis. This is the bad news.I am trying not to be scared about a really giftedperson having permanent cognitive losses.Did any of you have skull fractures along with SCI?
Re: [QUAD-L] bowel pain, hate to ask
I noticed that I have discomfort when my stool is loose also. I have no ideas as to about why Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] bowel pain, hate to ask In a message dated 11/18/2004 7:35:09 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incomplete SCI at C5, almost 11 years post. About a year or so agoI've started developing a burning pain in my lower bowels/colon. Feelslike pouring salt on an open wound. Sometimes it lasts for a couple ofhours, sometimes the entire day. It's usually worst when it wakes meup about three o'clock in the morning. I have a bowel movement everyother day, sometimes the pain is there the day after a movement,sometimes the day before. I also started having a lot of gas, whichcaused a lot of temporary pain when it passed. However, started takingSIMETHICONE a few weeks ago which seems to have helped with the gas,but the pain is worse than ever. The pain also seems to be worse whenI have loose stool. I thought maybe it was hemorrhoids, but the personthat takes care of my bowel program (suppository) assures me it's not,that she would be able to tell if I had hemorrhoids. Has anyone elseexperienced anything like this? I've been reading about syringomyeliccysts, any possibility that could be the cause? Would greatlyappreciate any advice. i blow up like a balloon in the afternoon and evening. it's all gas but it hurts like hell. i'm sure something in that area will eventually take my life - being as irregular as i am just can't be good for a long life. any laxatives cause more pain but without them i set up like concrete.
Re: [QUAD-L] Velcro straps liner
Who on the list here makes them? What do you use for the lining? I am sure I can sew it myself. Thanks in advance. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Velcro straps liner Actually Stacy, you have to make them yourself or have someone make them for you base on your chosen designs.WIn a message dated 12/4/04 10:27:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do any of you know where I can get the liners for the straps?Stacy
Re: [QUAD-L] hospital is the pits
How did the nueropathy cause damage to your teeth and affect your breathing? I'm sorry for my ignorance, but I don't have a clue. I have it but it only hurts my legs and butt. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] hospital is the pits Hi Gale, I can understand being in the hospital and being really burned out. I haved been in for a month myself. My neuropathy is so bad that it has never been controlled by meds including multipl botoxinjections,bracing, and neurotin 2-600mg 3x daily.The neuropathy caused my lungs to become very weak and I am unable to do correct breathing and only breath from partial parts of my right right lower lung and left mid lung. It caused damage to my teeth and when I would go to the dentist he would be unable to perform the work because my gums would not sedate, so the pain would be horrid, and I am a chicken when it would come to dentist.I came into the hospital and had my teeth removed and while in surgery i had a hyperthermia episode and then I ran fever for about a week. People like us just don't know how to do thinks the easy way, do we,,lol. Anyway, I hope your time goes by fast, and like you, now that I am better I use my computer, and I am back into the therapy and thaat keeps me busy. Hope you have a nice Christmas with your family. Kathy in Mississippi
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Bored!
Title: Message I sympathize with you. I hope that you get that sore healed up soon so you can get back to your routine. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Gale See To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Bored! I don't go in for my surgery until January 4, 2005. I am in bed trying to heal a sore on my right buttocks. You can only spend so much time watching TV and working on the computer if you know what I mean. Gale :-) - Original Message - From: Cameron Wallace To: 'Gale See' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Re: Bored! Gale You didn't mention how your surgery went, but if a laptop is on your mind-I assume you feel it went well. I hope you're allowed to go home soon. -Cameron -Original Message-From: Gale See [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:03 PMTo: Quad ListSubject: [QUAD-L] Re: Bored! Hello everyone, I am laying in bed bored to tears trying to heal the pressure sores on my backside. I have borrowed my wife's laptop and through a Remote Desktop Control I am operating my regular computer which is in the next room. It is very slow operating as my head mouse doesn't work on the laptop, (I can get one that will work on here, but I haven't got one yet). So I have to operate everything my voice or "mouse grid" which is very slow and aggravating. However, I have ordered a new laptop with a head mouse, and Bluetooth technology. Hopefully I will have this set up within the next 10 days. I hope everyone has a great day. Gale :-) :-( :-) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 11/30/2004No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 11/30/2004
Re: [QUAD-L] Researchers Make Stem-Cell Breakthrough
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Researchers Make Stem-Cell Breakthrough Take it from someone who knows first hand. When I was paralyzed neck down (wasn't long) I thought the same thing. All I wanted was to be able to take care of myself. Now I can and all I want is to be able to live like I used to before paralysis. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Houston809 To: Greg ; quadlist Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Researchers Make Stem-Cell Breakthrough Thats what Im talkin about going from a quad 2 a para I cool with me :)On 12/3/04 4:56 PM, "Greg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A cure to me is not being able to jump up and run a mile. A cure to me is just being able to get in/out of my chair, dressed, bathroom stuff, all by myself. I'd take that just dandy...Greg
Re: [QUAD-L] Question for Quad Women
Hi River, I like you have long legs. My manual is one foot plate and my legs fall to the sides a little bit. We adjusted the chair so they don't fall that bad. Invacare makes a cushion that has indents in the cushion that is supposed to help that. Worth asking about. I used a Velcro strap for awhile, but quit using it. could be laziness or just not caring. Be careful with that motor chair and gaining weight. You'd be surprised on how much exercise you get by pushing yourself around. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: River Wolfe To: Brian Stocker ; quad Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Question for Quad Women Brian,That's my problem, I am "blessed" with Lng legs and in order to fit this chair they had to position the seat back in a bucket style. Foot rests are as low as they can go, can't get a taller chair because of my van (no topper on it). If the seat is dumped then my neck and shoulders go out as I slouch forward. My thighs were touching the cushion when the seat was dumped, BUT knees still splayed. I think it has to do with the position my feet are in as well as nothing pushing my thighs or hips in on the side of the chair. I jus tmight go the velcro route as W suggests. The foot plate is one piece in the power chair and my manual has two and I position my feet in the flexed position on the foot rest. Arghh, walkies don't seem to get the importance of this.RiverOn Dec 2, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Brian Stocker wrote: If your knees are splayed in that fashion, as are mine, you should consider, again, if your chair is REALLY fitted properly, the entire length of your thigh should be taking pressure. do your legs move in and out freely? If so, you may need to lower your foot rest or raise your seat pan so that your thighs are snug against your cushion. I am having this problem, because the wc was not fitted properly and the adjustment is maxed out. Brian River Wolfe wrote: Hi everyone, I'm really enjoying my power chair but I have a problem. My seating position is less than "lady-like" ie: my knees are as far apart as possible in the sitting position. The chair fits me well, but there aren't any side guards like in my manual chair. I think these guards help keep my legs together. I feel really uncomfortable sitting like this, any suggestions? My brother uses a bungee cord to keep his knees together when playing quad-rugby, I really don't want to resort to that ;-) Thanks, River
Re: [QUAD-L] Question for Quad Women
Do you know where you can find those Wheel? Thanks Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Question for Quad Women In a message dated 12/2/04 2:37:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I jus tmight go the velcro route as W suggests. Use the Velcro with liners that hide the strap with colorful designs. Who knows... you just might create a new fad...W
Re: [QUAD-L] Question for Quad Women
She has conducted herself as a lady on the list and left no impression of being a male. I don't know where the confusion came from. If anyone ever looked at her mention in new mobility, you could see her picture right there. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Question for Quad Women Your losing it, lol. I suspected that a long time ago but glad that you mentioned that first, Lori.Actually, River is a (as Lionel Ritchie sings) "Lady"WIn a message dated 12/2/04 12:40:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I could have sworn "River" was a male on this list. Maybe I'm losing it!
Re: [QUAD-L] Where is the River?
Title: Where is the River? I was wondering the same thing. She was pretty upset. Maybe, hopefully just taking a break. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Cameron Wallace To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Where is the River? Has anyone kept in touch with River? I liked reading her posts. Maybe there was not enough belief in her election conspiracy worries. I was hoping to hear more of her Buddhist teachings as they related to quad-hood. -Cameron
Re: [QUAD-L] Hello
The Medicaid waiver program is still defined by the state as far as how many hours you get, who gives you care, and how much that agency or person, if allowed, will get paid. I'm a paraplegic and don't even need the hours that I am given where most or many on the list can't get enough hours for their care. Unfortunately Florida is the hardest state to get proper care that you need. I think the lack of response on the list is that people here that don't know anything about a situation like yours just do not answer. Your best bed is going to your state representatives and let them know your plight. I wish you the best of luck. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Hello Hello,My first question is why am I not receiving the quad list any longer? I used to receive it regularly. My next issue is I would really like to just hear from people by e-mail about issues regarding the Medicaid waiver program in Florida. We must do something!Next my introduction. Actually I did this several years ago but here I go again. I am a C 5-6 quadriplegic having survived 24 years ago. I broke my neck in a diving accident here in Florida. I rehabbed at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota. Living with a lot of chronic pain problems is no fun as I'm sure many of you know. Currently I am dealing with a lot of bizarre blood pressure problems both up-and-down. I am single, male, 58, and have never married. I live in my own home and have finally paid it off after 21 years. I am on the Board of Directors of the local Sierra Club, The Responsible Growth Management Coalition, and am active in the local spinal cord injury group.
Re: [QUAD-L] Introduction
Andrea is right. My Mom lives in Florida. She had a stroke and other medical problems so she isn't able to work very many hours. They put her on some sort of state assistance and has a world of trouble just finding a good doctor. You would be better off considering the situation, but still may be hard for you. I wish you the world of luck. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: andrea murray To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Introduction Hi Bill, Welcome aborad. There call me the Wheelcheel Warrior. I.m a parapalegic and I have CP. FL is the hardest state in getting medicaid. Hope everything work out for you. Happy Thanksgiving WW[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My name is Bill Jenkins. I'm a C-6 incomplete quad and a double amputee. I was injured in a diving accident in July 1968. Last December I moved from MI to FL and was stunned to find out the obstacles to getting help through Medicaid and the BSCIP. I look forward to hearing from all of you and learning. Yup. Still learning after 36 years of quad-dom. BillC-6 incomplete in FL Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
Re: [QUAD-L] Fw: Streamlight Challenged Hunter of the Year Selected
How awesome! It's amazing how people with more function don't live nearly a full of a life as this man. I love his quote and it seems so true. Thanks for sharing that Mark. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: QuadPirate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Fw: Streamlight Challenged Hunter of the Year Selected ---Original Message--- From: BADF Disabled Services Date: Monday, November 22, 2004 7:14:24 PM To: Mark Jackson Subject: Streamlight Challenged Hunter of the Year Selected Congratulates George Moore, Jr. of Shreveport, Louisiana as 2005 Streamlight Challenged Hunter of the Year! Despite his disability George Moore has accomplished more in his lifetime than most people. In a situation where a lesser person might have given up on life, George has not only overcome his disability, but has also done much to help others. A Captain in the United States Air Force from 1966-1973, Moore, an F-100 Super Sabre jet fighter pilot (at age 26), was in his second tour of duty in Vietnam when he was involved in a near fatal jet crash that left him with burns over 70 percent of his body. He underwent 49 surgeries in 43 months. As a result of the accident he is a quadruple amputee, having lost both legs and one arm, with little use of the remaining arm. He is rated 100% permanently and totally disabled due to service-connected conditions, and received the Bronze Star for his service to our country. Rather than giving up on life because of his injuries, Moore began life anew. After returning to school to earn second and third degrees, he joined the Department of Veteran's Affairs and worked his way through the ranks to his current position as VA Medical Center Director, VISN Prosthetic Service Line Director. His three and a half years as a patient in military hospitals left Moore with a keen sense of patient satisfaction and a high sensitivity to veteran satisfaction. His motto, "A winner is just a loser who tried one more time," is an inspiration to veterans and employees of the Medical Center. He is a hunter and fisherman that truly loves being in the outdoors. George hunts from a six wheel all terrain vehicle for water foul, deer and turkeys. George willreceive his prestigious awardat the2005 Buckmasters Life Hunt Classic in January. There were many deserving applicants this year, and we encourage those individuals to apply again next season. Thank you for your participation, and again, congratulations George! George Moore, Jr. This email originated from within the Buckmasters network. You are subscribed as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is an opt-in only list complying with the United States of America CAN-SPAM Act of 2003. If you are receiving the this in error or wish to unsubscribe CLICK HERE To Change your Email address, CLICK HERE Please do not reply to this email. If you need to contact BADF, visit Our Link at: http://www.badf.org If you have questions of a technical nature, please contact the Buckmasters Network Administrator: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 1-800-240-3337 ext 203 BADF Disabled Hunter Services, 10540 Daystar Drive, Tuscaloosa, AL 35405
Re: [QUAD-L] Big problems in Florida with spinal cord injury Medicaid waiver program
Hi Loren, That is a great letter, but in my opinion I wouldn't threaten them with a lawyer just yet. I'm sorry you have to go through that. I think those laws are under your governor because in my state, I can still hire my own Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 8:10 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Big problems in Florida with spinal cord injury Medicaid waiver program Hello,Has anyone else had problems with this program, the brain and spinal cord injury Medicaid waiver program funded through Medicaid? Previously I could hire anyone I wanted and have them paid retroactive from the day that the director in Tallahassee signed their paperwork which usually took three days. They then eliminated that so that I had to pay them out of my pocket for three to four months until they obtained a Medicaid provider number. Now at the beginning of November they made it mandatory that I receive my care thru a nursing agency. Please read the letter below:COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH CARE?In October I would often forget that I had a disability while maintaining my chair on two citizen organizational boards and being an active supporter of a local spinal cord injury group. My life was full of activities going to parks, concerts, festivals, swimming at the local pool where there is a wheelchair lift, training for two weeks for a service dog in Atlanta, a one day trip to Miami for a doctor's visit, one day later a trip to Tampa for a new wheelchair. My life was full, active, and looking like there was a great future still ahead of me.Today I am a shut-in! What happened? I broke my neck 24 years ago that is certainly not the immediate problem. I have lived as a quadriplegic independently for 24 years. So what changed? We have the same president does that have anything to do with my change in citizenship? Somewhere in a huge bureaucratic system supposedly on a federal level in Washington someone made a decision. A someone I cannot locate!In October I would hire my own personnel to provide my care that could sustain me in my own home and drive me to places in my own vehicle 24 hours a day seven days a week. I would screen them, train them, and fire them when necessary. I lived an independent life that was as normal and as full as I could possibly make it. Medicaid kindly paid these people $2700 per month. I added another $500 and provided one a home. Change has occurred. The decision was made that my care would have to be provided by a nursing agency. For $4664 per month providing eight hours of care per day with an extra two the every other day. I will allow you to work out the math on that one after all it is your tax dollar.This month I have no one to take me to a park not even to do my grocery shopping. My new van equipped for wheelchair transportation sets idle in the driveway. The Aids from the agency cannot drive my van. I must be in bed by 9:30 PM when the aid who comes at 5:30 departs leaving me alone through the night lying in one position unable to even roll over what less remove myself from bed or the house in an emergency. Pressure sores are a guarantee. Quadriplegics suffer from a condition where in any noxious stimuli (such as lying in one position to long) can cause our blood pressures to rise drastically resulting in stroke, heart attack, blindness, and death as did the former Superman. At 8 AM another Aid is supposed to arrive to give me breakfast, shower me, dress me, provide personal care, and place me in my wheelchair. She then departs at noon leaving me alone until 5:30 PM. There is also a nurse who comes every other day for two hours to provide another part of my personal care at 8:00 in the morning. Including weekends there will be at least six different people involved in my care.My new service dog who has been with me for one month must be returned as I cannot keep him in good conscience as he will not receive proper care that such a valuable dog deserves or any dog for that matter. He has already been subjected to verbal abuse by one Aid. It has taken nine years to get this companion and all-around helper. He is an absolutely beautiful dog that I have come to love greatly. All this has been a very frustrating, exasperating, and heartbreaking experience. I am left with the feeling that my life has just ended.Are Medicaid and the healthcare industry along with our government plotting to force me into a nursing home or just kill me outright from neglect?I am looking for others who may be involved in a similar situation to form a coalition for a class-action suit or other action that may be appropriate. Also for lawyers that are appropriate for the situation.Loren
Re: [QUAD-L] Foley
It must be a parent thing because I was in the hospital for 8 months after I got sick. That was only because I was that sick and spent extra time in rehab because I didn't want to go back to living with my parents. I'm not proud, just have my reasons. I'm getting surgery so I can cath through my belly button. I won't have to wear a catheter all the time anymore and also hopefully not as many infections. My Mom is so worried about it and at first didn't want me to do it until I convinced her it would be so much better for me health wise. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Joan Paskas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Foley My son who is a C4/C5 incomplete for 6 years just had a super-pubic cath inserted. I tried to talk him out of it for awhile because I was concerned with the surgery. Since he was in the hospital for 5 months after his accident with a collapsed lung, pancreatitis and sepcis I just developed an allergy to hospitals and did no want him cut or stuck anymore. (Forgive me, I'm sure you all have your own stories.) But he made up his mind. Danny was having urinary infections about every month to a month in a half. He also experience a clogged cath almost every week. The nurses at the hospital where he rehabiltated taught us to care for him and we both got pretty skillful at changing his cath. The super-pubic cath was inserted last spring. So far no infections and no clogs. We take him to his urologist once a month to have it changed, but the nurses change the cath. Perhaps this would be good for your friend? This was one time I'm glad my son did not listen to me.JoanFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [QUAD-L] FoleyDate: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:12:53 ESTI have a friend that I visit in the hills of Pennsylvania every fall.He has been using an indwelling Foley for 28 years. Those with indwellingFoleys know of the erosion of the skin that occurs after using anindwelling. His is extensive.Although still using the foley, he is having problems with urine leakage andbleeding from the constant irritation.What choses might he have? He lives in a rural area and probably would needto goto a large city or even New York State to get to a GOOD doctor,GA_Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [QUAD-L] Virus detected
Title: Virus detected I had the same virus, but unfortunatly didn't know where it came from. Mine got caught in a scan. There is a removal tool at the norton site and you can clean your computer of it. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Houston809 To: quadlist Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Virus detected I don't know who this person is but they senta message containing a virus"Your SBC Yahoo! Mail Virus Protection detected the virus '"[EMAIL PROTECTED]"' in the file '"Message.zip"', attached to the enclosed email message. We scanned the file using Norton AntiVirus but were unable to clean it. Therefore, we removed the content of the attachment from the message. Please contact the message sender if you want to receive the attachment. They must clean the file and resend it before we can deliver it to you safely.From: "Jwmjimmy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:41:23 -0500To: "Quad-list" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUAD-L] Joan of Arcadia deals with Injury fate
Thanks for the reminder. I just love that show. I make sure to watch it every week. That and survivor are the only commitment I make to television. If I can't see it, I tape it. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Joan of Arcadia deals with Injury fate Hello guys.I heard that tonights episode of Joan of Arcadia deals with why Joans brother was injured and left in a wheelchair and why god chose him and why it wasnt someone else.Johnny
Re: [QUAD-L] Wheelie why doesn't Chris's website represent/ New Fans
Title: Wheelie why doesn't Chris's website represent/ New Fans I missed his website address. Can someone send the link again please. Thanks in advance. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Houston809 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quadlist Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Wheelie why doesn't Chris's website represent/ New Fans Youre quite right Diana :) My last Maybe its not as important as the other info on there. :) :) I put the :) so that everyone would no it was a joking statement. I met Chris for the 1st time last week. And he not only talked about how he made extra money selling products on Ebay. He showed me exactly and while he was showing me. In the course of 15 minutes made over $300.00 Diane there arent many quads around that have the extra to enjoy our hobbies :) Were barely making it through life. But a good supporting parent with an abundance of wealth like Wheelies :) :) You could have a few TOYS like a 10 second Drag Van :) Mansion on the 18th hole, Yacht Maybe even thinking you were Elmer J Fudge millionaire. Well have to get Chriss email address from Wally and let him know our opinions about this website of his. :) How wed design it if we were 1 of few quad drag racers in the world :) get rid of that cheesy looking hooker dancing Nah keep the hooker ad a few more :):):):) But tell important stuff about the obstacles barriers crossed. Wally fwd some of this 2 Chris so hell see how the FANS feel :)On 11/18/04 9:37 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/17/2004 4:17:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only quad drag driver I'm aware of. I think this is importantinfo. It was my 1st time going to the website and just my opinion. Maybe itsnot as important as the other info on there. :)no, i think he is more interesting than what his van has. i had the pleasure of meeting him a few summers ago at a local track i use to race at pre-injury. i think it would be great to try it one last time. he was full of advice as how to make it happen but his advice was more than my savings, not to mention the damage that can occur to an engine while drag racing, in which my hubby forewarned , he wouldn't change a van engine. anyway...i think new mobility should do an article on him. he's pretty tough to endure that summer heat and l-o-n-g line ups to race again. one might wait an hour for a 10 second adrenaline rush!diane
Re: [QUAD-L] Concepts in Con Artistry
Well, when I talked to the guy, I mentioned that concepts in confidence was charging so much and I was really surprised that they were so inexpensive and that is when he mentioned the price going up after the new year. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Lori Michaelson To: Quad Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Concepts in Con Artistry Yup, it's express med. I told others in private emails. Thanks for the tip of them going up. Surprised they told you (or anyone) that. That's the LAST thing companies would want to reveal usually. Lori ---Original Message--- From: Stacy Harim Date: 11/19/04 00:52:38 To: Lori Michaelson; Quad Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Concepts in Con Artistry If it is express medical Lori, they are going up in January. I talked to them on the phone about a month ago when they sent me the ones that I ordered like 8 months c_laugh.gif
Re: [QUAD-L] Concepts in Con Artistry
If it is express medical Lori, they are going up in January. I talked to them on the phone about a month ago when they sent me the ones that I ordered like 8 months ago and said they were selling them at the same price until the new year. If that is not the place, I think you should share where you are getting them for such a low price so the rest of us can benefit from it. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Lori Michaelson To: Quad Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:42 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Concepts in Con Artistry Re: Magic Bullets and Concepts in "Confidence" (or not!) Being a user of the bullets from Confidence since 1989 or so they were my pill. What was it? This past earlyspring when we hear rumors of them having problems? I wasn't worrying cuz I had numerous ones. It became an issue for me around the middle of summer. I remember W saying they'd have their poop together by August but people could get 50 for $59.00 w/ a Dr script. Over a dollar a pill! Double what they were asking! Soo, running low I began calling them and they were always pushing it up a month (Sept, Oct,etc) on when the backorders would be done. And NUMEROUS *DIFFERENT* stories I'd get on their problem, the 'new formula' etc - depending on who you talk to there. So, they're STILL saying you can only get 50 with a script. Now, I see other companies saying "The Bullet is Back!" I ordered 100 from a company who shall remain nameless. ONE HUNDRED FOR $42.95! And they work fine. Concepts has been making a fortune with their little scam that they've drawn out forever. They can bite the bullet! Lori
Re: [QUAD-L] magic bullet
Except the magic bullet is a water based suppository, but all the ingredients are the same. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Brian Stocker To: THouston Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; mack johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] magic bullet I just bought a dozen 10 mg bisacodyl suppositories from rite aid for $6.00. This is exactly what is in a magic bullet.BrianTHouston wrote: I get them from www.exmed.net http://www.exmed.net THouston - Original Message - From: mack johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] magic bullet anyone know where to get the magic bullets? the places i checked online were sold out. mack
Re: [QUAD-L] magic bullet
express med is not raising their price until after the new year. If you order them and they are not in, you still get the discounted price. 42 bucks for 50 bullets is a pretty damn good price. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Dana Miller To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] magic bullet I started using those after not getting majic bullets. Then someone saidExpress Medical supply had them and I ordered 50 of them. They came veryfast. I checked the price of gloves, they are much more expensive thanSam's. I stumbled onto them at Sams! They were about $4.00 a box!They were in an area where over the counter drugs were. I was amazed to seethem, should have gotton a box full! Maybe next time!Dana and ?[EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message -----From: "Stacy Harim" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "THouston" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "mack johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:09 PMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] magic bulletExcept the magic bullet is a water based suppository, but all theingredients are the same.Stacy"People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroyyourself" - Original Message - From: Brian Stockermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: THoustonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; mackjohnsonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] magic bullet I just bought a dozen 10 mg bisacodyl suppositories from rite aid for $6.00. This is exactly what is in a magic bullet. Brian THouston wrote: I get them from www.exmed.nethttp://www.exmed.net/http://www.exmed.nethttp://www.exmed.net/ THouston - Original Message - From: mack johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] magic bullet anyone know where to get the magic bullets? the places i checkedonline were sold out. mack
[QUAD-L] bofra virus/not a hoax
Hey guys, I was watching the news and those of you using MS explorer watch out for this BOFRA virus. There is no fix or patch out for it yet. This isn't a hoax I swear to you. Here is some info http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32bofraa.html. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself"
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Scrotum Questions for the Guys!
Title: Message As a woman, I have sweat a little in the fold of my leg where they bend from sitting. It's not much, but I avoid any problems but dusting a little medicated powder that has corn starch in it. No problems. Good luck w/you doctors appt. Let us know how it goes. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Cameron Wallace To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:35 PM Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] Re: Scrotum Questions for the Guys! -Original Message-From: Cameron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:11 PMTo: 'Gale See'Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Re: Scrotum Questions for the Guys! Gale Trya dusting ofcornstarch powder. Prevents moisture and/or funk -Cameron -Original Message-From: Gale See [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:08 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [QUAD-L] Re: Scrotum Questions for the Guys! Hello, Do any of you guys have problems with your scrotum swelling or peeling from all the sitting we do? If so, do you use any sort of support system? I would appreciate any input you could give me as I am having problems along this line. Also, do any of you wear underwear. I have always worn underwear so I could tape the hose to my leg bag to the underwear to keep it for moving around. Any input regarding this. I am going to see a surgeon on Tuesday regarding the possibility of having a colostomy bag put in. While I'm there I thought I would approach the possibility of having a supra pubic catheter put in as well. I am having problems the older I get inserting my Foley catheter due to the increased size of my prostate gland. Would also appreciate any input regarding this issue. Thanks, Gale :-)
Re: [QUAD-L] I'm Baaaaaaaaaaaack!
Welcome back Linda. I'm glad everything is working well for you. I'm getting my surgery in January for bladder reconstruction. I'm going to be able to cath through my belly button. I'm excited to not have to wear a bag anymore. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Linda Farrell To: William Willis Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] I'm Bck! Hello Everyone, I'm back finally! I have been gone for 5 wks in the hospital on bedrest, ugh! It's great to be back home talking with you guys, missed you. I had a good looking plastic surgeon that did my Flap. On my way home, I had to stop by Dr Robbins Office he had to show off my Butt to everyone, what a great job he did! I mooned everyone there,haha! He gave me instructions.take weight shifts every 20 mins while up in chair Eat or drink lots of protein Make sure my wc cushion has proper amount of air. I did get a nice turning air mattress to sleep on, the only problem I can't use my mouthstick to answer telephone oruse on tv remote, which is a bummer. Guess I need a voice activated enviromental unit. Anyone know of a real cheap one??? I'm going back answering some old messages.. Larry, I take 2 Detrol too get the exact same effects, which is is pretty miserable. I chew a lot of gum have a water piture to drink out of every few minutes. Here's an update, I finally had my supra-pubic catheter putin, against the advice of several Drs. Well so far I love it! I very seldom leak around the tube, nor from the vagina. I had terrible bladder spasms before now none. Friends, Linda I take ditropan 2x day also and have for about a year. It not only dries me out but actually makes my tongue and mouth fell scalded and kills my taste buds. Thought I would get used to it, but so far, no luck. Detrol is useless. Larry - Original Message - From: ~LittleQuad~ To: Quad-list post Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Alternative to Probantheline? i take ditropan 1 x day, drymouth wears off after bout week of usedave headman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i take ditropan 2x aday.the only side effects i notice is drymouth.-dave headman- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 12:53 PMSubject: [QUAD-L] Re: Alternative to Probantheline? Does anyone take probantheline for bladder spasms? Are there alternativesthat have less side effects? I have been taking probantheline for over 20years and I just can't get off of it because I start sweating horribly. Idon't like how it dries me out. Anyone been there? Thanks Meredith
Re: [QUAD-L] election
I would love nothing more than a man or woman that is respectable with valuable ideas and goals for this country to run for president. To have someone that doesn't think on one side would be the best thing for this country. In my own opinion, but I realize that will never happen because the majority of the country is either republican or democrat. It's sad that these guys that are basically a joke are coming out and running. Again in my own opinion. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Jim Lubin To: Tod E. Santee Cc: Quad List Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] election Tod,So election 2004, 51% voted for the person who won, 49% voted against.In 1992, 43.3% voted for the person who won, 56.7% voted against.Going by what you suggest the ballot could have said "Bush or Not Bush". So no one actually voted for Kerry, 56 million people voted only because they didn't like Bush and not because they wanted Kerry? Doesn't that just prove the point. Only 43.3%, nearly 45 million, actually wanted Clinton for president. 51%, nearly 60 million people, wanted G.W Bush for president. Nader might have had more votes in 2004 if the Democratic party didn't work so hard to suppress voter choice by keeping Nader off the ballots in many states. If they had a candidate that was actually worthy to be president what would they have to fear? People would have been motivated to come out and vote for Kerry, as they clearly did for Bush. Not only did more people vote for Bush, the senate minority leader was dumped. In both 2002 2004 the Republicans gained seats in the House and Senate. A clear indication that a majority of the country is voting against values and ideas of the Democratic party. Evangelical Christians alone? I doubt it. How about the military and the people making more than $200,000/yr that Kerry promised to tax more to pay for, among other things, abortions for anyone woman who wants one. He said it in the second debate. The defining marriage amendments were only on ballots in 11 states, including Oregon who voted for the marriage amendment and also for Kerry. At 08:32 AM 11/6/2004, Tod E. Santee wrote: Jim, I might suggest that the 19.0% for Perot was a vote against both Clinton and G.H.W.Bush -- Not just Clinton. That might be considered a time there was a "valid" 3rd Party Candidate. The Perot voters were definitely voting against BOTH parties. There's no way you can honestly be convinced nearly 20 million people voted Perot only because they didn't like Clinton. 43.3% Bill Clinton 37.7% G.H.W.Bush 19.0% Ross Perot This time, 1% for Nader? Hardly a vote like '92. This time it was a vote for one or against the other. Jim Lubin wrote: Oh Tod, with a few minutes of research, I am happy to report that dubious honor goes to Bill Clinton in 1992. 1992 William J. Clinton - 44,909,889 George H. Bush - 39,104,545 H. Ross Perot - 19,742,267 Votes against Clinton 58,846,812 http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781450.html 2004 (Updated 11/5/2004 7:10 AM) George W Bush - 59,645,158 (and still counting) John F Kerry - 56,149,771 http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/president.htm More people voted against Clinton than voted For Kerry! At 07:49 PM 11/5/2004, Tod E. Santee wrote: On the flip side, given the turnout, Bush had more people vote against him than any other candidate in the history of the US. -- It's all in how you look at it. And, given that huge turnout resulted in a 51-49% divide, one would be hard pressed to find anyone who could honestly call that a "Mandate" for the Christian or traditional or moral values Mr. Bush holds dear. Everyone believe their values are moral. That's why they value them. (Political Capital my A$$... He'll spend something... that's fer shur) Best! Tod (Electors cast their votes in Dec. -- Some Rep. electors are now undecided and pissed at Bush!) Jim Lubin wrote: Bush won the election by the largest number of votes in the history of the country.
Re: [QUAD-L] election
I personally like the fact that he wanted to tax the people that made more than 200K a year. Those were the people that got the breaks and didn't need them. Who needed them were people making a whole lot less. If he gave the breaks to the middle class, in my opinion, would have helped society. The people with 200k plus already have money to spend. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Tod E. Santee To: Jim Lubin Cc: Quad List Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] election Jim, First, this "church crap" should stay out of ANY official campaign material and debates... And I'm an Evang. Christian! Evangelical Christians alone? I doubt it. How about the military and the people making more than $200,000/yr that Kerry promised to tax more to pay for, among other things, abortions for anyone woman who wants one. He said it in the second debate. The defining marriage amendments were only on ballots in 11 states, including Oregon who voted for the marriage amendment and also for Kerry.See, I don't push my Christian agenda on anyone here or anywhere else... and neither should any candidate, campaign, or elected official. I can't tell a gay/lesbian they CAN'T get married because MY religion is against it... Just like I can't tell women they have to keep their heads covered during prayer because the Bible says so. As for Nader... He shot himself in the foot when, even as his own party wouldn't support him... in fact begged him NOT to run, he arrogantly went on with it (as I believe he should have IF he really believed he could make a difference) as if he was a real candidate. I used to respect him... support him. But this time, he knew he didn't count. Even with the Republican support for him and the Dems pushing against him (all that proving HIS point) he resulted in a less-than-zero vote percent. Pathetic! As far as who was voted for and against in '92, Perot's voters in '92 were voting both FOR Perot and AGAINST both Bush and Clinton. So, if you want to be fair, Perot's "Against the Others" votes should either be split equally (unless better data is available... I'm not searching) or included fully in both "Against" counts. 62.3% Against G.H.W.Bush, and 56.7% Against Clinton (If ALL Perot voters were voting Against Clinton/Bush) Clinton being seen as the least of the evils. If split to assume only half were truly voting against the major parties and the rest really liked Perot, then it's 57.8% Against G.H.W.Bush 42.2% Against Clintion (Still, Clinton is the least of the evils with Perot having the support of 9.5% of voters.) Best regards, Tod Jim Lubin wrote: Tod, So election 2004, 51% voted for the person who won, 49% voted against. In 1992, 43.3% voted for the person who won, 56.7% voted against.snip Nader might have had more votes in 2004 if the Democratic party didn't work so hard to suppress voter choice by keeping Nader off the ballots in many states. If they had a candidate that was actually worthy to be president what would they have to fear? People would have been motivated to come out and vote for Kerry, as they clearly did for Bush.
Re: [QUAD-L] ...river
Well, I also have seen him on a few talk shows and him saying "I just don't know" one time is not going to make me believe him. I'm sure he said that after hearing crap about it. This is the last thing I have to say about any of it. Neither you or I are going to change anything by arguing about it. I will chime back to this list when we start supporting each other instead of arguing aboutan election. I just hope that there won'tany cuts from the bottom for those of us that need the help. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Stuntman To: Stacy Harim ; 'quad' ; Eric W Rudd Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] ..river Stacy,He specifically said "I just don't know" as his answer to the question.He did NOT say the he "didn't think they were born that way".Don't let bias block your memory.Stuntman MessageGeorge Bush certainly seems to think that it is something that just either happens to a person or they choose it. He doesn't think a person is born that way. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Eric W Ruddmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'quad'mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] ...river You gotta be kiddin...did someone tell you to be? Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] ..river I certainly didn't choose to be gay. -- It's not the fall that hurts.Home page http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/Graphics portfolio http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htmDomain space http://nw-in.com/index.html
Re: [QUAD-L] election
Is that just this election or the last one that he one as well? I know that Gore had more of the popular vote in Florida but the Supreme Court gave it to Bush because he got the electoral vote. It's only a question not a debate. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Tod E. Santee To: Quad List Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] election On the flip side, given the turnout, Bush had more people vote against him than any other candidate in the history of the US. -- It's all in how you look at it. And, given that huge turnout resulted in a 51-49% divide, one would be hard pressed to find anyone who could honestly call that a "Mandate" for the Christian or traditional or moral values Mr. Bush holds dear. Everyone believe their values are moral. That's why they value them. (Political Capital my A$$... He'll spend something... that's fer shur) Best! Tod (Electors cast their votes in Dec. -- Some Rep. electors are now undecided and pissed at Bush!) Jim Lubin wrote: Bush won the election by the largest number of votes in the history of the country.
Re: [QUAD-L] election
Wasn't this the biggest turn out in history for voting? I'm pretty sure I saw that one one the news. I could be wrong but it was something like 60 or 61 percent and in the past it was below 50%. I am not sure exactly on the numbers, but I am pretty confident in saying that this was the biggest turn out so yea, ok Bush had more people vote for him than anyone else in history. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Jim Lubin To: Tod E. Santee ; Quad List Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] election Oh Tod, with a few minutes of research, I am happy to report that dubious honor goes to Bill Clinton in 1992.1992 William J. Clinton - 44,909,889George H. Bush - 39,104,545H. Ross Perot - 19,742,267Votes against Clinton 58,846,812http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781450.html2004 (Updated 11/5/2004 7:10 AM)George W Bush - 59,645,158 (and still counting)John F Kerry - 56,149,771http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/president.htmMore people voted against Clinton than voted For Kerry! At 07:49 PM 11/5/2004, Tod E. Santee wrote: On the flip side, given the turnout, Bush had more people vote against him than any other candidate in the history of the US. -- It's all in how you look at it. And, given that huge turnout resulted in a 51-49% divide, one would be hard pressed to find anyone who could honestly call that a "Mandate" for the Christian or traditional or moral values Mr. Bush holds dear. Everyone believe their values are moral. That's why they value them. (Political Capital my A$$... He'll spend something... that's fer shur) Best! Tod (Electors cast their votes in Dec. -- Some Rep. electors are now undecided and pissed at Bush!) Jim Lubin wrote: Bush won the election by the largest number of votes in the history of the country.
Re: [QUAD-L] election
I'm sorry. I guess ABC had their facts wrong then because they mentioned in a few times that Gore won the popular vote. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Jim Lubin To: Stacy Harim ; Quad List ; Tod E. Santee Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] election Stacy, The Supreme Court put an end to the recounts trying to find votes for Gore when Democrats were wanting to re-write the rules of what constituted a valid vote. Bush won Florida by 537 votes, giving him enough electoral votes to win.http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html At 08:11 PM 11/5/2004, Stacy Harim wrote: Is that just this election or the last one that he one as well? I know that Gore had more of the popular vote in Florida but the Supreme Court gave it to Bush because he got the electoral vote. It's only a question not a debate.
Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President?
It has been said time and time again that Saudi Arabia is not a direct threat to us. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Jim Lubin To: QuadPirate ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Stuntman ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? He's just a figure head. He is not personally carrying out any attacks. When we catch Bin Laden all terrorism is not going to end. That's why I say we'll catch him when we catch him. Efforts should be focused on the people actually plaining to carry out attacks and the support networks behind them. At 11:48 AM 11/4/2004, QuadPirate wrote: You know Jim Bin Laden took 8 years before he attacked the WTC again so every day he's still out there is a threat to us.So there's no time to say we'll get him when we get him we need to get him before he strikes again.The thought that we have plenty of time is like a time bomb waiting to explode.We need him now not later!How can anyone argue with that?Mark
Re: [QUAD-L] election
That is what John Kerry was saying all the way through the election. George Bush was saying it's just wrong. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Jim Lubin To: QuadPirate ; Lori Michaelson ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] election At 11:39 AM 11/4/2004, QuadPirate wrote: I think River is very upset because the country just slapped her in the face because of her lifestyle.I'm not saying it's right or wrong it's just different.If the country said the disabled were limited to only marry another disabled person you guys might see it different because we're outcast as much as anyone.I've seen people damn near run into walls fearing to actually come in contact with me.I see nothing wrong with defining that a "marriage" is a union between one man and one woman. I do agree that the measure in Ohio went too far because it bans any "legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage." But people thought it should be left to the individual states to decide and that's how the people in the state of Ohio voted.
[QUAD-L] tony
It still is in Maryland Tony. Is that why you ran down to Florida? Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] election In a message dated 11/4/2004 2:39:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you guys ever heard of Freedom of speech?If you don't like our countries write of Freedom of speech maybe you should go elsewhere because there's nothing more American than speeking your mind without persecution.I think River is very upset because the country just slapped her in the face because of her lifestyle.I'm not saying it's right or wrong it's just different.If the country said the disabled were limited to only marry another disabled person you guys might see it different because we're outcast as much as anyone.I've seen people damn near run into walls fearing to actually come in contact with me. I'm with you markwhat you said was REAL compassion n understanding - something the religious preach a lot of, but rarely practice!!I've thought about this...what if the make ORAL SEX illegal??? It has been in many states years ago...i wouldn't have a sex life, and i've probably had better results than the conventional hop-on, pound, hop-off approach.-tony
Re: [QUAD-L] ...river
Title: Message George Bush certainly seems to think that it is something that just either happens to a person or they choose it. He doesn't think a person is born that way. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Eric W Rudd To: 'quad' Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] ..river You gotta be kiddin...did someone tell you to be? Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 4:53 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quadSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] ...riverI certainly didn't choose to be gay.
Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the Enemy-Stuntman For President!
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the Enemy-Stuntman For President! How about he screws up about 1/4 of what he says. When he addresses people, the mistakes he makes when he is address a topic or an issue. It's more like he has no freakin idea what he is going to say or how he is going to say it. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Boyd Jenkins To: Stacy Harim ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the Enemy-Stuntman For President! Your assessment of President Bushs speech impediment seems notto have effected the voting publics mandate to keep him four more years.Maybe you could offer your expertise in the rehabilitation of his speechimpediment.-On 11/3/04 6:53 PM, "Stacy Harim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea, bush can't make a complete sentence without hesitation or stuttering if it isn't written by his speech writers and rehearsed.Stacy"People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Boyd Jenkins mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 7:31 PMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the Enemy-Stuntman For President!Im the first to admit that Stuntman makes a lot of sense. I eventhink that Wheel makes pretty good sense most of the time, butone needs to be a bit more specific. Your charge that Bush didnt make sense, requires somewhat more than your generality to make it so. I dont know you as wellas I thought, if your denigration of Bush is just a randomly-tossedopinion of a disgruntled democrat. Enlighten me.BoydCaveat: EVERYBODY makes sense some of the time.NOBODY makes sense all of the time.--On 11/2/04 4:23 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it that Bush didn't make sense, but Stuntman does
Re: [QUAD-L] election
You are right. The people that voted for Bush, especially in Ohio, voted on moral grounds and not on the economy. I am pretty upset about it myself, but what can we do. Bush has to face a lot of very angry democrats right now and needs to realize that he needs to do more. The Senate however has many democrats in it and now will affect the bills that are getting signed. I don't see a lot of Bush's ideas getting through them. People were saying that they don't think that Kerry would be able to take over in the middle of a war, but the people voted many democrats into office. I find some peace in that. I'm so glad the election is over and we can get back to quad related stuff. Im so sick of hearing about this election. It's not you all. It's mainstream media, friends, family, etc. I just say it's only 4 more years and I can only pray that good ol' Jed doesn't run next. It would be more like an Empire than a democracy at that point. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: River Wolfe To: quad Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] election I hate this country right now. Regardless of what some of the JERKS on this list may want to believe, the election was again stolen by the BUSH EMPIRE. Today, I went for a CAT SCAN and it was all I could do to even talk to the people there. This is election is a PERSONAL indictment against GLB people, as you may or may not know many so called Christians voted solely because of their fear of ME AND MY PARTNER. Based on what they feel are their VALUES. How could people not give a crap about the WAR, Economy, social security, health care and social justice, in favor of keeping my partner from receiving rights to have access to me in the hospital, our house if I die, my funeral, paid family medical leave if I get sick and so forth ? How can I not HATE so called Christian Americans? I really think Jesus was a cool guy and I believe he would NOT support the current war criminal we call president. Bush has started a culture war not unlike those in most Islamic counties, ironic isn't it? REVOLUTION NOW. River
Re: [QUAD-L] election
You are looking at the seats and not the states. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=223797 Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Jim Lubin To: Stacy Harim ; quad Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] election Bush won the election by the largest number of votes in the history of the country. The Republicans gained a larger majority in both the House (234) and the Senate (55).At 11:55 AM 11/3/2004, Stacy Harim wrote: You are right. The people that voted for Bush, especially in Ohio, voted on moral grounds and not on the economy. I am pretty upset about it myself, but what can we do. Bush has to face a lot of very angry democrats right now and needs to realize that he needs to do more. The Senate however has many democrats in it and now will affect the bills that are getting signed. I don't see a lot of Bush's ideas getting through them. People were saying that they don't think that Kerry would be able to take over in the middle of a war, but the people voted many democrats into office. I find some peace in that.
Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President?
Yea, Reagan put us further into debt by building up nuclear weapons. Only reason why Russia backed down because they couldn't afford it.The whole star wars thing. really!!! I don't have any respect for a president that barries the nation into debt. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: QuadPirate To: Stuntman ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? Stuntman you got your wish and for what it's worth I hope Bushgoes down in history as a great leader because we need one now more than ever. I hope we can putall this Political stuff behind us and get back to quadtalk. Viva La Bush! Mark ---Original Message--- From: Stuntman Date: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:24:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? I think it is a great day for America.Back by POPULAR DEMAND...President George Bush!Kerry has conceeded (which did honestly surprise me).Gore was responsible for driving a wedge into this nation 4 years ago.When he tried to change voting laws "after the fact" he cast a shadow that has now been cleared away.President Bush gathered 3.5 million more popular votes than did Kerry, which should settle this dispute once and for all. Kerry showed more class this morning than he has in months.He really did put America first. I know many of you one issue voters must be sad.Please don't be.You may be surprised by how much more President Bush might do now that he isn't going to be distracted by running for a re-election. For an example, look at all the good President Reagan did in his second term.I'm waiting to see just what kind of tax reform he wants to make happen.One thing is for sure, we won't have career soldiers leaving the service in mass. We need them to keep taking the fight to the Terrorists. Creating Jobs isn't part of the President's job description.Protecting our country is.Now that it is over, can't we all just come together and put America first?If we do, maybe that neighborly feeling can set us all free.Stuntman I've learned more from the reading of Stuntman than I ever learned from any of Bush's speeches or presentation. And Bush has alot more resources then Stuntman. Why is it that Bush didn't make sense, but Stuntman does. Someone is pulling our leg. Stuntman for President! W-- It's not the fall that hurts.Home page http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/Graphics portfolio http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htmDomain space http://nw-in.com/index.html. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here IMSTP.gif
Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President?
Thanks for the sarcasm wheel. As a matter of fact I am special. In many ways! Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? In a message dated 11/3/04 7:48:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been independent since started to follow politics. I registered as an independent when I turned 18. Your Special, lol.W
Re: [QUAD-L] election
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] election Are these sarcastic comments possibly bringing out the true colors of you guys? I have not made one remark about or to anyone personally for their feelings about this election. Great that I am upset and wheels mark about I am special because I made a comment about being registered independent because he was separating democrats and republicans. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Boyd Jenkins To: Stacy Harim ; quad ; River Wolfe Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] election Great!-On 11/3/04 1:55 PM, "Stacy Harim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip I am pretty upset about it myself
Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President?
Thank you Dave. You seem to be the only gentleman on this list these days. I can't believe the personal stabbing going on on this list these days. Voicing your opinion is one thing but to make snide rude comments to people for what they believe is ridiculous. I'm sure that the people whatever political views that they take are for more than just one reason. I know personally I didn't vote for Kerry for just one reason. If I were to do that, I wouldn't even show up to the poles. I liked what he had to say on many issues. To think that I or anyone on this list would vote on one issue is underestimating out intelligence. The last 2 comments that came my way because of what decisions I make and what I feel hurt my feelings. I have nothing but respect for everyone on this list no matter their political views and I would say that I was sorry for making my comments, but I am not. That is the way I feel and I am sorry that you feel that way about me because of the comments. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: David K. Kelmer To: Stacy Harim ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? Hi Stacy, I agree with you and Wheels,with no sarcasm, when I say you are special! With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USAStacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the sarcasm wheel. As a matter of fact I am special. In many ways! Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? In a message dated 11/3/04 7:48:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been independent since started to follow politics. I registered as an independent when I turned 18. Your Special, lol.W
Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President?
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? So OK. Let every president go ahead and spend beyond their means and never mention the damn deficit ever again is what you all are saying. That is just silly. I can't believe that people care more about what is overseas than what is in our own country. I don't know about you all, but I don't like being in the bottom of the population as far as classes go. Yes I am doing something about it, but it will eventually take me to middle class if I am lucky where I will be paying more taxes and will never see a relief as long as a Bush holds the white house. I don't see it ending after this one. It's going to be Jed next. I just think that the problems at home should be focused on before we worry about everyone else. Our only concern for the time being should be Bin Ladin. You all have a damn field day with me now. I am so over this. I am insulted with the last few posts that have come through this list from people that I have had so much respect for. Sometimes people's feelings should come into account. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Boyd Jenkins To: Jim Lubin ; Stacy Harim ; QuadPirate ; Stuntman ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? Economics 101. Its something we all sat through fightingto keep our eyes open. But I admire your patience Jim, forwalking some of us through it again.I suspect however, that your patient description on the process was lost on some of the more knowledgeable elite among us who would posture such infinite wisdom in thevitriolic castigation a great, gentle and noble man who had the vision and determination to neutralize the world threat posed by the Kremlin.History will record his leadership in terms most laudable,including the whole star wars thing. Really!! And I doubt seriously that it matters very much whether or not you respecta president that barries the nation into debt. Whateverthat means.Boyd--On 11/3/04 6:07 PM, "Jim Lubin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:33 PM 11/3/2004, Stacy Harim wrote: Yea, Reagan put us further into debt by building up nuclear weapons. Only reason why Russia backed down because they couldn't afford it. The whole star wars thing. really!!! I don't have any respect for a president that barries the nation into debt.Could someone please explain what the big deal is about national debt? I don't get it. The government gets it's income from taxing the people. When the government has a surplus it means it's taxing people too much. When the government is in debt it sells bonds which allow people to invest and have a stake in the country. Having a debt lowers the value of the US$ which means other countries can afford to by products manufactured in the US. When the country had a surplus the US$ was at an all time high against other currencies and the nation was in a recession. National debt does not equate to personal debt. Jim
Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President?
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? And there was a surplus when Clinton was in office and more jobs. And don't blame it on 911 because even before 911 there were more jobs when Clinton was in office. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Boyd Jenkins To: Jim Lubin ; Stacy Harim ; QuadPirate ; Stuntman ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? Economics 101. Its something we all sat through fightingto keep our eyes open. But I admire your patience Jim, forwalking some of us through it again.I suspect however, that your patient description on the process was lost on some of the more knowledgeable elite among us who would posture such infinite wisdom in thevitriolic castigation a great, gentle and noble man who had the vision and determination to neutralize the world threat posed by the Kremlin.History will record his leadership in terms most laudable,including the whole star wars thing. Really!! And I doubt seriously that it matters very much whether or not you respecta president that barries the nation into debt. Whateverthat means.Boyd--On 11/3/04 6:07 PM, "Jim Lubin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:33 PM 11/3/2004, Stacy Harim wrote: Yea, Reagan put us further into debt by building up nuclear weapons. Only reason why Russia backed down because they couldn't afford it. The whole star wars thing. really!!! I don't have any respect for a president that barries the nation into debt.Could someone please explain what the big deal is about national debt? I don't get it. The government gets it's income from taxing the people. When the government has a surplus it means it's taxing people too much. When the government is in debt it sells bonds which allow people to invest and have a stake in the country. Having a debt lowers the value of the US$ which means other countries can afford to by products manufactured in the US. When the country had a surplus the US$ was at an all time high against other currencies and the nation was in a recession. National debt does not equate to personal debt. Jim
Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President?
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? I don't consider that getting on my case because you didn't say anything rude. You didn't say anything to me belittling by using sarcastic remarks and I respect that. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: THouston To: Stacy Harim ; Jim Lubin ; QuadPirate ; Stuntman ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Boyd Jenkins Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? Not to get on your case, but the job surplus was a superficial hiring of extra employees, especially in the dot.com industries, to cover up creative book-keeping by CEOs milking the employees' 401s and pensions plans which happened to come to light in March 2000. Neither the cover up or the outing of crooked CEOs was related to policies of Bill or Geo W. The outing was the consequences of greed go wild and eventually caught the attention of the SEC. - Original Message - From: Stacy Harim To: Jim Lubin ; QuadPirate ; Stuntman ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Boyd Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? And there was a surplus when Clinton was in office and more jobs. And don't blame it on 911 because even before 911 there were more jobs when Clinton was in office. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Boyd Jenkins To: Jim Lubin ; Stacy Harim ; QuadPirate ; Stuntman ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who's the President? Economics 101. Its something we all sat through fightingto keep our eyes open. But I admire your patience Jim, forwalking some of us through it again.I suspect however, that your patient description on the process was lost on some of the more knowledgeable elite among us who would posture such infinite wisdom in thevitriolic castigation a great, gentle and noble man who had the vision and determination to neutralize the world threat posed by the Kremlin.History will record his leadership in terms most laudable,including the whole star wars thing. Really!! And I doubt seriously that it matters very much whether or not you respecta president that barries the nation into debt. Whateverthat means.Boyd--On 11/3/04 6:07 PM, "Jim Lubin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:33 PM 11/3/2004, Stacy Harim wrote: Yea, Reagan put us further into debt by building up nuclear weapons. Only reason why Russia backed down because they couldn't afford it. The whole star wars thing. really!!! I don't have any respect for a president that barries the nation into debt.Could someone please explain what the big deal is about national debt? I don't get it. The government gets it's income from taxing the people. When the government has a surplus it means it's taxing people too much. When the government is in debt it sells bonds which allow people to invest and have a stake in the country. Having a debt lowers the value of the US$ which means other countries can afford to by products manufactured in the US. When the country had a surplus the US$ was at an all time high against other currencies and the nation was in a recession. National debt does not equate to personal debt. Jim
Re: [QUAD-L] back pain in paras
It's probably cuz that part of your back is taking on a lot of strain. I get lower back pain myself. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:40 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] back pain in paras Hey,I'm a para, and I've recently been getting a lot of back pain at the top of my back - no where near my injury site. I've also been getting tingerling on the left side of my back which comes and goes. Does anyone else have this problem, or does anyone know how why I've been getting it?Cheers maties!Love Smurf xxx
[QUAD-L] will the pattern continue??
I have mixed feelings about this but I wonder what will happen Tues. There has been common ground on the Redskins winning or losing their last home game right before the election. If they win that game then whoever is in office stays in office and whoever is opposing will win if the skins lose that game. If the pattern continues like it has since Roosevelt was in office Kerry will win. I don't know how much faith I have in that, but I wonder what will happen. Now about the game. I swear the ref is a democrat because he made a ridiculous call in the last couple mins of the game. I don't know the position, but it's the guy that runs back and forth during the play. The rule is if he moves, he needs to be set before moving forward. He was set for like a 1/2 sec and the ref threw the flag. Coles went in for a touchdown when that flag was thrown but the skins didn't get it b/c of that stupid call. The guy had nothing to do with the play at all and anyhow the skins lost. I'm pretty sad about that. If the cost is losing the game for Kerry to win then I am happy. Stacy A pretty sad Redskins fan today Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself"
Re: [QUAD-L] Brook Ellison story
It certainly touched me. It was only 3 and 1/2 years ago for me, but when the doctor was telling the parents that she possibly would have brain damage, that did it for me and tears flooded my eyes. I can only imagine how my Mom felt when she was told that same thing. It was a great movie and one I will watch many times. Im so glad that I caught it. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Brook Ellison story I saw it too, Bobbie. Actually, I watched it twice, back to back showings on AE.Knowing what really goes on in ER, CCU, ICU and Rehab, we know that much cannot be shown to the general public especially on television.Inspite of some earlier comments that I read from reviews saying it was too fluffy, I also found it compelling, true to life and inspirational for those who want to know what its like to break one's neck.I'm personally glad that they took the story this way. I'm sure that it will be replayed again in the near future. Consult AE Network's website for additional showings.WIn a message dated 10/26/04 1:41:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought when I signed on to read posts from the q-list, that it would be dominated by the Brook Ellison movie. I was EXTREMELY touched by the movie, and was impressed how a vent quad was depicted. Even though I'm C 5,6 I got a better perspective of how much more challenging it is with a higher level SCI. It also flooded me with memories of my family, how each adjusted in their own way and time. And when they showed the seen when she first entered the rehab, WOW did THAT bring back emotions of 31 years ago. Yes, it did make the mom look as though she did EVERYTHING herself for ALL those years, which WE all know is quite impossible. But over all, I loved the movie. What did all you think, that saw it, of how it was portrayed? Did it bring back memories for any of you guys? Bobbie
Re: [QUAD-L] Brook Ellison story
The ae channel store. http://netat.com/OS/cj/historychannel.htm Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Dana Miller To: quad Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Brook Ellison story I'm pretty sure the AE channel sells videos etc. of their movies. Theyhave a web site which I think is just www.ae.com Good luck. I slept thrumost f every showing and what I 'did' see was always the same scenes. ugh.Dana and ?[EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message -From: "River Wolfe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "quad" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:13 PMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Brook Ellison storyBobbie,I tried my darndest to tape it, and thought I had succeeded, but alas Ifailed. My hope is that it will air again soon, or I can purchase itsometime soon. I REALLY would like to own that movie for a number ofreasons :-)We had our atty over and two friends to sign and witness our documents( living will, powers of atty and wills) last night. FINALLY. We haveput it off too long and felt the upcoming vote on the Ohioconstitutional amendment was a good reason to GET IT DONE. So, Imissed this important movie but it was well worth it.Peace and Justice,RiverOn Oct 26, 2004, at 12:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I thought when I signed on to read posts from the q-list, that it would be dominated by the Brook Ellison movie. I was EXTREMELY touched by the movie, and was impressed how a vent quad was depicted. Even though I'm C 5,6 I got a better perspective of how much more challenging it is with a higher level SCI. It also flooded me with memories of my family, how each adjusted in their own way and time. And when they showed the seen when she first entered the rehab, WOW did THAT bring back emotions of 31 years ago. Yes, it did make the mom look as though she did EVERYTHING herself for ALL those years, which WE all know is quite impossible. But over all, I loved the movie. What did all you think, that saw it, of how it was portrayed? Did it bring back memories for any of you guys? Bobbie
Re: [QUAD-L] vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote votevote
Next time you are this way Mark, you should let me know. I'm getting
my van next week and should have it on the road within a couple of months.
The DMV needs to get a move on and I am sure it will need some stuff done to it,
but let me know b/c I might be able to get up that way. It's only a couple of
hours drive from here.
Stacy
"People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy
yourself"
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From: QuadPirate
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 7:17
PM
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Doing good Sherry,
I went to the state capital on Wednesday myself and handed out
ouraward to Chris Baldwin that works with the Passages program
that gets money needed to help assist pwdget out of nursing homes.
The money pays for security deposits for rent and utilities or needed
equipment
or even furnitureif you need it.
It helped me when I left because after my accident my stuff got
lost, stolen or sold by my live in that showedher true colors
after about a month.
I did get my guitars back from a pawn dealer, she told him I told
her to do it to pay some bills but he just gave them back to me about 6
months
later which shocked me but at least let me know there was still
some good people left in this world.
Damn I went way off topic lol!
It still stings even 5 years later.
But we had a great turn out at the capital even though the Governor
dodged us again about signing the Micasa bill, he sent a represenative
instead stinking coward!
Mark
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From: Sherry
Date: Saturday,
October 23, 2004 17:57:31
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That would
be me Mark..nice to see you again.
No telling
where ya saw me, I've been around the block a few times on the
tube...and various media's from then and since :)
How ya been
btw? (((hugs)))
{{The best to you,}} Sherry
' To be willing to March into Hell for a Heavenly
cause"
Oddquads chat room http://pjj.cc/oddquads/
- Original Message -
From:
QuadPirate
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004
3:50 PM
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I remember now Sherry and believe I caught apiece of
you speaking on tort reform about 2 years ago
I can't remember what I was watching but I do remember
seeing it.
Mark
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From: Sherry
Date:
Saturday, October 23, 2004 13:09:29
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"I am both
impressed and intrigued. May I inquire as to the field of
expertisefrom which you conveyed information of interest to
that august body? Thisforum is honored indeed, that you
would share your thoughts and advicewith
us."
Thank but no need to be, I
am just me. I have been on q-list for going on 4
years or so now. I just pop in and out
sporadically.
The other night, I saw my Quad
List folder was full, and did a bit of catching
up.
I lobby against tort
reform. As well as a few other
citizenrights issues. In weeks of late,
the powers that be have changed that heading to liability reform
..( I won't go into explaining why there :)
)
Anyway, I am a victim of medical
practice..( How I was injured)
Thus why.
"You offer
compelling suggestions that suggest
everyone might agree on that which distinguishes fact from
pablum."
I am surprised daily, that is usually not
the case,
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I'm glad Mark saw you. Just maybe it'll keep an email away from
someone who accuses you of lying which clearly you aren't. Good for you
for speaking for a good cause from time to time.
Stacy
"People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy
yourself"
- Original Message -
From: Sherry
To: QuadPirate ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 6:57
PM
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That would be me
Mark..nice to see you again.
No telling where
ya saw me, I've been around the block a few times on the tube...and various
media's from then and since :)
How ya been btw?
(((hugs)))
{{The best to you,}} Sherry
' To be willing to March into Hell for a Heavenly
cause"
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- Original Message -
From:
QuadPirate
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 3:50
PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] vote vote vote
vote vote vote vote vote vote votevote
I remember now Sherry and believe I caught
apiece of you speaking on tort reform about 2 years ago
I can't remember what I was watching but I do remember seeing
it.
Mark
---Original
Message---
From: Sherry
Date: Saturday,
October 23, 2004 13:09:29
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
[QUAD-L] vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote
votevote
"I am both
impressed and intrigued. May I inquire as to the field of
expertisefrom which you conveyed information of interest to that
august body? Thisforum is honored indeed, that you would share
your thoughts and advicewith us."
Thank but no need to be, I am
just me. I have been on q-list for going on 4 years or so
now. I just pop in and out sporadically.
The other night, I saw my Quad List
folder was full, and did a bit of catching up.
I lobby against tort reform. As
well as a few other citizenrights issues. In
weeks of late, the powers that be have changed that heading to
liability reform ..( I won't go into explaining why there :)
)
Anyway, I am a victim of medical
practice..( How I was injured)
Thus why.
"You offer
compelling suggestions that suggest everyone
might agree on that which distinguishes fact from
pablum."
I am surprised daily, that is usually not the
case, especially TV ads.
"Indeed, Im told that much
of the Legislatures time is spent distinguishing the one from the
other,.."
Again, only a few
actually. State wise they do a bit moreso than
federally. The spin always comes from getting "their laws'
passed regardless. ( one they sponsored, co-sponsored,
promised..etc.) Or re-elected.
But I thank you, and nice to meet you
Boyd.
{{The best to you,}} Sherry' To be willing to March into Hell
for a Heavenly cause"
- Original Message -
From:
Boyd Jenkins
To: Sherry ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 23,
2004 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] vote vote
vote vote vote vote vote vote vote votevote
On 10/21/04 4:22 AM, "Sherry"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:I have traveled to Dc, spoken
publicly to congress many a time, am a matter of record of
the congressional library, and indeed, have met both
candidates.I am both impressed and intrigued. May I inquire as to
the field of expertisefrom which you conveyed information of
interest to that august body? Thisforum is honored indeed, that
you would share your thoughts and advicewith
us.What rhetoric you may see in ads/ TV needs to be
balanced with thought. Facts, not pablum.
Vote for whomever...But make it aninformed
vote...on the things that really matter.You
offer compelling suggestions that suggest
everyone might agree on that which distinguishes fact from
pablum. Indeed, Im told that much of the Legislatures time is
spent distinguishing the one from the other,for they bring with
them much of both.Please continue to honor us with you
Re: [QUAD-L] Flu Shot
Now those are only for healthy people. I am assuming that anyone getting a shot really needs one. By the hospitals standards you have to be sick and if you are sick you are not able to get the spray. When I say sick, I mean repertory problems. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I mean you could tell them that you are healthy but then you will most likely have to pay for it. If you have the money, great, your in luck. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Flu Shot Ask for the nasal spray. It works just as well. Ask the Congress and you local pro Football team. But that's another subject, lol.WIn a message dated 10/22/04 12:22:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quite a year Tod! Go figure lol!I called my Dr about getting my shot yesterday and our local hospital is notgetting any shots you have to wait in line at the health department on Nov3rd and hope you get one.Unbelieveable!
[QUAD-L] also found true at snopes
When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building by George Bush. He answered by saying that, "Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return." It became very quiet in the room. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself"
Re: [QUAD-L] Halloween costumes
Title: Message That's great. I wish I had a jump suit or a stripped outfit. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Steve Oldaker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:24 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Halloween costumes I haven't done this yet, but I will someday. My ideais simple and ideal for someone in a larger wheelchair, especially one with a headrest. Find some clothes that look like prison attire, make a skull cap out of aluminum foil for your head and make an aluminum foil cord from your skull cap to the back of your chair. If you are like me (C4 quad), my arms are already strapped down on my arm rests. You can add leg straps for effect if desired. This makes a pretty good prisoner about to be electrocuted. My other idea that would be much more involved is Lincoln sitting in the chair at the Lincoln Memorial. Good for a tall, dark haired chair jockey. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 6:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Halloween costumes No, it wouldn't. You can make it as simple or as elaborate as you want. The simplest was would to wear bunny ears nose and use an eye lines pencil to draw whiskers. Very good ideas folksI've been wanting to do the Energizer Bunny for years.but it would be a lot of work.
Re: [QUAD-L] Halloween costumes
lol That wasn't very nice.Is thatwhy I can't find a man? If I had the materials, I think a life guard would be great. Could make my chair into the stand. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Halloween costumes In a message dated 10/23/2004 3:26:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I always just go as a person in a wheelchair. LOL. Lame joke, sorry :-)LoriStacy.BRILLIANT IDEA!!! Dress as a Duckyou could be a "Lame Duck" lolsick man...tony
Re: [QUAD-L] Electoral College... (Sorry Sherry)
I personally think that they should go strictly by popular vote period and do away with electoral votes. It should be as simple as candidate A got 58,000 (ex.) and B got 48,000.Then candidate A wins. That simple. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Tod E. Santee To: Quad List Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Electoral College... (Sorry Sherry) Hi All, You know... I been curious... In an election as close as this one reportedly is, what do you think will happen if "Candidate A" gets the necessary 270 electoral votes but, no matter how many recounts are allowed, it turns out (in every recount), that "Candidate B" actually won the popular vote? Do you think the system will change? Be forced to change? That people will eventually let it die and begrudgingly 'accept' Candidate A without organizing to change the system? Is anyone here from Colorado? * I'm curious about the proposition/measure on your ballot that will divide electoral votes based on numbers/percentages of votes cast for the candidate...rather than allowing a 49% -- 51% vote allow the 51% "winner" to take All 9 of the state's electoral votes. * What do you think about it applying to THIS election? * What about that the CO State Contitution says that The Legislature determines how votes are carried BUT this measure came to the ballot through the Voter Initiative Process rather than through any true Legislative Action by CO elected officials? Is it OK if I stir up a hornets' nest here? I can't participate much... but I love watchin' them suckers go at it! LOL Best to All! Tod
Re: [QUAD-L] Inmates paying $$ for their time
I think a portion of the money they make while in jail should go towards it as well. I know it's not much, but why should they keep all of their wages if they work within prison or on work release. We shouldn't have to foot 100%. As it stands now, we as tax payers keep the jails there, but t Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:39 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Inmates paying $$ for their time My husband, Pete, told me he read about a proposal. Instead of tax payer footing the entire amount for Inmates, that the Inmates them selves should pay a percentage for their stay in jail. Either with money they have in the bank upon arrests or garnishing their wages after release. What do all of you think of this proposal? Just curious, Bobbie
Re: [QUAD-L] beds
Those of you that have these nice beds, how do you afford them? I talked to voc rehab and they aren't able to help because I already have a bed. It's a twin hospital bed and when I get dressed, my legs like to flop off of the sides. I'm so ready for a big girl bed. Insurance won't buy a double either and truthfully I want to do away with the hospital bed all together. Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] beds "hospital" beds come in bigger sizes then twin. I got my mattress from www.abed.com..It's the best mattress I've had..my bad shoulder doesn't hurt while in bed. If it's in pain while I'm up , which it is but I get my new chair tomorrow, anyways once I lay down the pain goes away.and they sell beds.too. Sam
Re: [QUAD-L] Re : back
I agree about the doctors offices. My Neurologists office is the one that surprises me the most. I wonder how many people with spinal cord injuries he treats and I am in a manual chair and have to back in and manuver. I can't imagine those in power chair and especially those with power chairs that have to haul a vent around. I think that doctors offices should be more accessible. Larger room and lower tables. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:32 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Re : back I don't post often but do offer some limited advice on occassion. I am able bodied, my son John had the brainstem stroke and I am a caregiver for him. One of his other caregivers has the same symptoms as you and was diagnosed with Rheumatoid arthritis. You may want too get checked out for that. also I have a bulging disk in my back and so does John and they can give a lot of pain. I go to the Chiropractor and have mine put back in place. Since most Dr's offices are not truly handicapped accessible (btw) I think we should talk on that topic for a while it is hard to get him into the examing room and then he never gets a good exam, it's almost like the Dr's are afraid to touch you anymore.Carol in KY mother of John, 3 yrs post stroke
Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Bush plays the game of being.....
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Bush plays the game of being. That was a snip off of another email. LOL You know better. I don't have any children. Had to do the school thing first. 30 and still no kids. My belief for me is that I personally want to be married before kids and we all know that I can't keep a man. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Boyd Jenkins To: Stacy Harim ; Stuntman ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Bush plays the game of being. I realize that theres nothing funny about your situation, but are we to understand from these figures that your first sexualexperience at age nineteen (19), poduced triplets prior to your twentieth (20th) birthday?Or perhaps you adopted one and had twins. Adopted twoand had one? Adopted all three?Boyd--On 10/13/04 1:04 AM, "Stacy Harim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the time I was 19, I had three children. I didn't even have sex for the first time until I was 19. Stacy
Re: [QUAD-L] Bush plays the game of being Christian
Still not judging here so I hope that people are not labeling me as judging. I stated the facts. I tried to do a search on the statistics on blacks and whites collecting government assistance to compare to the numbers that you pulled up, but came up empty handed so far so I will not speculate, but I think that we would be surprised. There are more whites in the population so that should mean that there would be far less blacks collecting, but I don't know what we would find if we got the statistics on what race is on government assistance. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bush plays the game of being Christian IN REPONSE TO:"I never mentioned color in my post because I know it's not just black women that do it, however they are the majority when it comes to that. I realize what you are saying, but it's wrong no matter what color you are and having all these children knowing you don't have an honest way to support them."US Census 2000Total population: 281,421,906Total responses to race: 274,595,678, African American: 34,658,190 White 211,460,626 Hispanic: 35,305,818 The percentage of African Americans on government assistance is higher than the other races, this is true. However, if you consider the population at whole, is the African American percentage actually higher than whites on government programs? image/jpeg
Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
Mark, I'm curious to know what made you swing over to Bush's side. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Stuntman To: QuadPirate ; Stuntman ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards There are many problems with embryonic stem cells including tumors and cellular rejection that are no problem when using ones own adult stem cells. Therefore the justification for spending money on research for the one with more known problems instead of the one with fewer problems has a logic problem behind it. This is above and beyond the ethics involved.Kerry is using this as a campaign issue even though it shouldn't be.He is promising the moon.Doesn't mean a thing.StuntmanStuntman Bush has banned Federal money on The majority of stem cells I never said there was a ban on research. My problem is his way of thinking. For example, did you know more embryos are lost by a natural pregnancy than in vitro fertilization? In vitro fertilization has a better success rate than natural conception so should we ban natural conception because it's killing more embryos than ivf? This position he has is not scientific it's personal so I think I would let the scientist be the judge instead of Bush and that's not Junk science that s responsible science. I could care less what Kerry thinks about this subject this is my opinion and I'm not voting for Kerry btw. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Stuntman Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:53:31 PM To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards There is no ban on embryonic stem research. There is no scientific proof at this time that it works better than adult stem cells. Do you want real science funded or "junk science". KERRY IS LYING!
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Infection and swelling
Can your doctor set you up with home health to keep you out of the hospital. We have that option here if covered. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Re: Infection and swelling Hi all,i just have a question, I have an infection in my elbow and my whole arm has swelled up. I am on 2 antibiotics and the doc has drained it once with a needle, which has helped a little. Tomorrow I have an Dr's apt and he may have to put me on an IV which means being hospitalized for 3 to 4 days. I don't do the hospital well at all, in fact it feels like a jail sentence. Has anyone else here ever had any strange infections? I would appreciate any suggestions. ThanksMeredith
[QUAD-L] Fw: So Close to a Big Win on a Difficult Day
Title: Action Network Newsletter Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Christopher Reeve Action Network To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: So Close to a Big Win on a Difficult Day Dear Stacy,Today I write you with a heavy heart, but I want to thank you for all of your efforts this year. We at the Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation are deeply saddened and shocked by the sudden death of Christopher. I am sure you join us in extending our condolences to the entire Reeve Family. Should you wish to send a message to the Reeve family, you may do so through our website. Christopher was our leading advocate and was extremely proud of the Action Network. His legacy will continue through your hard work and commitment to advance medical research and quality of life programs.I was fortunate to be with Christopher in his final hours, and he was still hopeful that with your help the day will come when Congress passes the Christopher Reeve Paralysis Act (CRPA). We even procured three new co-sponsors in the House of Representatives: Representatives Luis Gutierrez (D-IL), Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), and Pete Sessions (R-TX). In an effort to end the year with a win for the Action Network, we redirected our efforts last week to advance one vital component of the legislation-collaborative, multi-disciplinary research.On October 7th the House of Representatives passed the Research Review Act, H.R. 5213, by a recorded vote of 418-0.The bill calls on the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to draft a report on ways they have encouraged the use of multidisciplinary research teams (like those outlined in the CRPA) to advance treatments, develop new therapies, and collaborate on clinical trials with respect to spinal cord injury and paralysis research.Christopher was making calls to Congressmen just last week urging their support.A vote on the bill was expected in the Senate Monday night. Unfortunately, an unidentified Senator prevented passage of the legislation. It has been rumored the bill was blocked in response to the coverage of Christophers death being focused on stem cell research.However, we will not be deterred. We have made great advances this year, and your voices (calls, emails, letters, editorials) have been heard in Washington. We will continue to update you on those issues important to the Action Network and the disability community. Congratulations and thank you,Michael Manganiello Sr. VP, Christopher Reeve Paralysis FoundationWE MUST. WE CAN. WE WILL. 500 Morris Ave Springfield, NJ 07081 (800) 225-0292 Questions?If you have any questions about this message or any other Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation issue, please click here PolicyYou, or someone on your behalf, has subscribed to receive this information from Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation. To review our Privacy Policy, click here. Unsubscribe and HTML SettingsIf you would like to unsubscribe from Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation Subscriber List click here, or to review your subscriptions and HTML/text preferences click here.
