Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 23:50 -0800, Dave Laird wrote: However, given the condition of the US economy at the present, and given the abject lack of accurate verifiable information coming from The Shrub's office, I am truly saddened by what I see coming. The saddest part and also a fact that

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Steffen Barszus
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 06:44, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 22:49, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Sorry to bother you, but we were discussing whether there will be a future for MandrakeSoft. After tonight I wonder whether there will be a future for us all and the world as we

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Vahur Lokk
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 09:50, you wrote: All I've got to say for The Shrub, our President, is, SHOW ME THE BEEF! If he shows me that he has proof for everything he said, especially the parts about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, I too will stand up and join you in saying loudly,

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread André Salaün
Le mer 29/01/2003 à 11:52, Vahur Lokk wrote : /... So there is no good answer... -- André Salaün. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Vahur Lokk
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 09:11, you wrote: You just described Hitler and the German people in 1939. You just described Goebbels in the Berlin Sportpalast with 100,000 excited Germans shouting War! Hmm... Im watching another discussion of the kind in another list. And surprise-surprise.

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread tarvid
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 10:49 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Sorry to bother you, but we were discussing whether there will be a future for MandrakeSoft. After tonight I wonder whether there will be a future for us all and the world as we know it. I listened to the US-Amercan president. I'm

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 13:08 +0200, Vahur Lokk wrote: On Wednesday 29 January 2003 09:11, you wrote: You just described Hitler and the German people in 1939. You just described Goebbels in the Berlin Sportpalast with 100,000 excited Germans shouting War! Hmm... Im watching another

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Franki
I'd like to argue with that bit about the nazi's... they did not have much support from the people.. my real name is Franz.. I call myself frank to make it easier for people to remember.. a good many of my relatives were killed by the SS nazi's for being part of the resistance... Once hitler was

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:20 -0500, tarvid wrote: On Tuesday 28 January 2003 10:49 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Sorry to bother you, but we were discussing whether there will be a future for MandrakeSoft. After tonight I wonder whether there will be a future for us all and the world as we

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 20:15 +0800, Franki wrote: Once hitler was in charge.. there was nothing even remotely like democracy... anyone that disagreed with him was locked up or killed.. many his own generals were terrified of him.. and most of the general german army had no real idea what

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread civileme
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 07:22 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Sorry to bother you, but we were discussing whether there will be a future for MandrakeSoft. After tonight I wonder whether there will be a future for us all and the world as we know it. I listened to the

[expert] Squid Transparent Proxy

2003-01-29 Thread .
Has anyone got this to work under 9.0? It works just fine as a regular proxy, but not transparently. Nothing shows up in the access.log, and no packets leave the outside interface of the firewall running squid. I've read the Transparent proxy mini-howto and the FAQ pages on squid-cache and

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Dallam Wych
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 11:17:13AM +0100, Steffen Barszus wrote: On Wednesday 29 January 2003 06:44, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 22:49, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Sorry to bother you, but we were discussing whether there will be a future for MandrakeSoft. After tonight I

[expert] A twist on NAT/Connection Sharing

2003-01-29 Thread civileme
OK could someone point me at the right document to figure this out? I will, of course, share the answer back. I have a friend who MUST remain concealed and who has recently gotten DSL. The DSL service provided gives only Static IPs, and those are rather easy to pinpoint for location--much

Re: [expert] Squid Transparent Proxy

2003-01-29 Thread Seppo Järvinen
I have it working. Didn't do anything but copy the configuration over from old installation when updated server from 8.2 - 9.0 On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, . wrote: Has anyone got this to work under 9.0? It works just fine as a regular proxy, but not transparently. Nothing shows up in the

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 07:41 -0500, Mark Weaver wrote: And what do you imagine those consequences to be if/when america goes to war against Iraq? That's an easy one, listen to all the analysts on tv. They are all telling the same. There are 2 possible ways the war may turn: 1. What Mr.

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Franki
You didn't address the issue of what to do about saddam without fighting... (assuming he is guilty.) what are the alternatives.??? As for the question of spy's... who says they should pull them all out now to save them??? The issue isn't resolved yet, if they pulled them out, they'd have to

Re: [expert] A twist on NAT/Connection Sharing

2003-01-29 Thread Chuck Burns
On Wed, January 29 2003 7:16 am, civileme wrote: *snip* So anyone out there have any suggestions where to look to achieve that masquerade? Actually, civileme, that is more along the lines of a VLAN, or virtual LAN... you would need to create a virtual connection from her computer to yours,

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 13:18 +, Dallam Wych wrote: I guess that perhaps is the way America and the uk feel when they hear your chancellor repetively refer the german way. Talk about scarey stuff, deja vu. When did Mr. Schroeder say something like the German way? And when did he say

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Chuck Burns
On Wed, January 29 2003 7:55 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *snip* BTW: What doo you think is the German way of today? From your statement I doubt that you have any clue. I think the Germans are so scared of their OWN past, that they will allow ANY country to do whatever they want to do to their

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Mark Weaver
Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 23:22 -0500, Mark Weaver wrote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Sorry to bother you, but we were discussing whether there will be a future for MandrakeSoft. After tonight I wonder whether there will be a future for us all and the world as we know it. I

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Chuck Burns
On Wed, January 29 2003 7:55 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Since WWII Germany has a very strong feeling against any military involvement. As we have a more democratic way of dealing with our chancellor (i.e. he has far less political power than your president) he has to bend to the peoples will.

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 07:57 -0600, Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 29 2003 7:55 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *snip* BTW: What doo you think is the German way of today? From your statement I doubt that you have any clue. I think the Germans are so scared of their OWN past, that they will

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is WAY offtopic and would be better suited for an alt.* newsgroup. As a US Desert Storm veteran and now reservist, I think I can speak for EVERYONE that Bush is an idiot, in fact, he truly is the most ignorant, ill-educated president that the

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Mike Veltman
This is not the mailinglist to be political I gues. But the reaction of mister burns shows me that it seems that americans feel very misunderstood. :-) Pretty funny for a superpower that has the largest depts in the world. But let us at least try to have a common goal (linux-mandrake) And

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 08:01 -0600, Chuck Burns wrote: No one likes us. I don't know why. We may not be perfect,We give them money, But heaven knows we try. But are they grateful? But all around, No, they're spiteful, Even

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread mathews . 5
There is a clear issue here. It is international cooperation vs. unilateralism. The Bush administration has demonstrated its contempt for internationalism by: 1) abrogating the ABM treaty 2) scuttling the protocols for the biological weapons treaty 3) ignoring the Geneva Convention 4)

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 09:12 -0500, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is WAY offtopic and would be better suited for an alt.* newsgroup. As a US Desert Storm veteran and now reservist, I think I can speak for EVERYONE that Bush is an

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Chuck Burns
On Wed, January 29 2003 8:19 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *snip* Cowardice has nothing to do with the brain. It is downright dumb to call someone a coward who looks and thinks before he follows blindly. *snip* No, but completely disregarding the facts does have a lot to do with the brain. FACT:

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Chuck Burns
On Wed, January 29 2003 8:32 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *snip* Yes, I know that one and I just love it. It's a very good example of putting the words so extreme that only a very dumb person doesn't realize it's a joke with a very serious background. I see that you completely ignored my post,

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread tarvid
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 09:36 am, Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 29 2003 8:19 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *snip* Cowardice has nothing to do with the brain. It is downright dumb to call someone a coward who looks and thinks before he follows blindly. *snip* No, but completely

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Dallam Wych
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 02:55:34PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: When did Mr. Schroeder say something like the German way? And when did he say something that makes you look back to the Nazi era? It would be a déjà-vu if he'd side up with Mr. Bush. The we'd really be concerned. Your

Re: S0: RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread tarvid
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 09:32 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a clear issue here. It is international cooperation vs. unilateralism. The Bush administration has demonstrated its contempt for internationalism by: 1) abrogating the ABM treaty 2) scuttling the protocols for the

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Chuck Burns
On Wed, January 29 2003 8:43 am, tarvid wrote: *snip* Bush chooses internationalism when it suits him. He scuttled Kyoto, ABM and the Biological weapons protocols and ignores the Viena and Geneva conventions. So, you think implementing a system that protects US citizens from ICMBs is a bad

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread tarvid
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 09:54 am, Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 29 2003 8:43 am, tarvid wrote: *snip* Bush chooses internationalism when it suits him. He scuttled Kyoto, ABM and the Biological weapons protocols and ignores the Viena and Geneva conventions. So, you think

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 10:08 am, tarvid wrote: I like my horse, even though he is over 30 now. 30?! Wow. What kind of horse is he? Have you retired him to pasture grazing or do you actually still ride him? - -- Conservatives of all

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 08:36 -0600, Chuck Burns wrote: FACT: The French have oil contracts with Iraq. Aha! Now we are seeing some real beef. The French have and the US have not? (You may recognize that I'm coming down to your level of arguing slowly but surely). FACT: Nearly all the Iraqi

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 08:38 -0600, Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 29 2003 8:32 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *snip* Yes, I know that one and I just love it. It's a very good example of putting the words so extreme that only a very dumb person doesn't realize it's a joke with a very

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread tarvid
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 10:07 am, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 10:08 am, tarvid wrote: I like my horse, even though he is over 30 now. 30?! Wow. What kind of horse is he? Have you retired him to pasture

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Dave Laird
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning, Mike... On Wednesday 29 January 2003 06:20 am, Mike Veltman wrote: And please respect the fact that a lot of europeans have a different view of the Irac case. ...as do *SOME* Americans. Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

[expert] libqt3-devel-3.0.5-7mdk missing /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt.so

2003-01-29 Thread Igor
Hello. I have mandrake 9.0. It's up-to-date. I have both libqt3-3.0.5-7mdk and libqt3-devel-3.0.5-7mdk installed. Now whenever I try to complile an app with QT I get: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt I have variable QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 I tried to poke around to see where the lib is and

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 10:27 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 08:36 -0600, Chuck Burns wrote: FACT: The French have oil contracts with Iraq. Aha! Now we are seeing some real beef. The French have and the US have not?

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Dave Laird
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning, Wobo... On Wednesday 29 January 2003 06:37 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Looking back I realize that I have made a mistake by opening this thread. Sorry folks, I'll start a new one on my experiences with the Beta2 of 9.1 in some

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread et
Frankl says To put it simply, we MUSTN'T judge Bush, because we have no idea what he knows.. I say very wrong statement,,, absolute power corrupts absolutely. We MUST Judge the Government continueally, if we are ever to hope to have a government by the people, for the people and of the people.

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 14:56 +, Dallam Wych wrote: BTW: What doo you think is the German way of today? From your statement I doubt that you have any clue. In all honesty, I only spend a few weeks a year now in germany as opposed to the 1970's when I spent perhaps 3 months out of the

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 08:57, Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 29 2003 7:55 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *snip* BTW: What doo you think is the German way of today? From your statement I doubt that you have any clue. I think the Germans are so scared of their OWN past, that they will allow

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 10:35 am, tarvid wrote: On Wednesday 29 January 2003 10:07 am, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 10:08 am, tarvid wrote: I like my horse,

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 09:38, Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 29 2003 8:32 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *snip* Yes, I know that one and I just love it. It's a very good example of putting the words so extreme that only a very dumb person doesn't realize it's a joke with a very serious

[expert] Re: OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread stefmit
With all due respect, I may have something to say here: it is also very tempting to generalize about Americans, my friend, but it is almost as dangerous. The fact that some of my compatriots may agree with the bully-ism of Dubya, does not make us all boil in the same pot. I have been so sicken

[st_barszus@gmx.de: Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?]

2003-01-29 Thread Dallam Wych
Mr. Barszus, Please refrain from posting privately on a mailing list, it really isn't proper netiquette. - Forwarded message from Steffen Barszus [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:12:21 +0100 From: Steffen Barszus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 10:53 -0500, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: That's right, Chuck; that's exactly what you would expect from a brainwashed socialist liberal with absolutely no facts on their side except for worthless emotional outbursts created by the flood of brainwash diarrea from the communist

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 10:53 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 09:38, Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 29 2003 8:32 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *snip* Yes, I know that one and I just love it. It's a very good example

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread et
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 11:14 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 10:53 -0500, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: That's right, Chuck; that's exactly what you would expect from a brainwashed socialist liberal with absolutely no facts on their side except for worthless emotional

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Sascha Noyes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 09:54 am, Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 29 2003 8:43 am, tarvid wrote: *snip* Bush chooses internationalism when it suits him. He scuttled Kyoto, ABM and the Biological weapons protocols and ignores the

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 05:17, Steffen Barszus wrote: First of all, this is not the right place to discuss this .. but we had many OT-discussions here, why not these... Wobo had his tit; I had the tat, then offered to take it private. Looks like it's public anyway. Fine. I don't take

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Franki
yeah, I'd go along with most of that.. accept for a couple of points.. 1. I stand by my comment about not Judging him.. for one thing.. if you don't know the facts, how can your judgement possibly be appropriate?? (also I was referring to the war issue, not the economy, that you can judge for

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 11:14 -0500, et wrote: looks like poop... smells like poop, feels like poop, if you think it's not poop, then you taste it In this case I'd rather put it like this: Looks like poop... smells like poop... feels like poop. Now it's up to you to believe or not when

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Sascha Noyes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 10:53 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 09:38, Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 29 2003 8:32 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *snip* Yes, I know that one and I just love it. It's a very good example

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 10:36, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: There is a little thing of lost oil field control by US oil companies as a result of all the Desert Storm, etc, ugliness. Bush would love nothing more than to install a friendly leader in Iraq who would then turn over the oil

Re: [st_barszus@gmx.de: Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?]

2003-01-29 Thread Sascha Noyes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The only reason that he posted privately (by error) is that you have got a reply to set while discussing on a mailing list. Sorry, but that is your fault. Sascha Noyes On Wednesday 29 January 2003 11:08 am, Dallam Wych wrote: Mr. Barszus,

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Alfredo C. López
Hi! I'm a guy living in Argentina, far away from the bullets. El Mié 29 Ene 2003 10:23, Franki escribió: You didn't address the issue of what to do about saddam without fighting... (assuming he is guilty.) what are the alternatives.??? There are always alternatives. May be leave the

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 11:29 am, Franki wrote: 3. Oil, I don't recall hearing that the Oil fields that the US liberated in Desert storm are now owned by the US did I miss some important news flyer here??? who is running Kuwait now??? I wasn't aware it was the No oil fields were

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread John Hart
Keep talking sonny. Oh, that is until the terrorists come and bomb your insignificant little cities like Aarhus, Copenhagen ...etc. Then, just maybe THAT will change your mind. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wolfgang Bornath Sent:

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva
I beg your all pardon but I could not keep my fingers away from the keyboard after such a stupid things written below. First, Bush (and I put him apart from USA because America, despite elected him, is greater than that asshole) never signed Kyoto Protocol, but USA (Clinton) had previously signed

Re: [st_barszus@gmx.de: Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?]

2003-01-29 Thread Dallam Wych
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 11:34:31AM -0500, Sascha Noyes wrote: The only reason that he posted privately (by error) is that you have got a reply to set while discussing on a mailing list. Sorry, but that is your fault. I don't think so, I think it is a kmail thing. It isn't my mutts fault that

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Mick Szucs
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 11:29, Franki wrote: Those who do not heed the past are destined to repeat it.. so he is at least making an effort to stop something before it happens now.. history is full of cases where no action was taken till it was too late.. who knows, he might actually stop the

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Alfredo C. López
El Mié 29 Ene 2003 11:54, Chuck Burns escribió: We never SIGNED kyoto, because it was nothing more than a ploy to LOOK GOOD to ecologists. The WORST polluting countries are the 3rd world countries with NO environmental protection agencies, and the Kyoto treaty left them alone, so, of course

Re: [st_barszus@gmx.de: Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?]

2003-01-29 Thread Steffen Barszus
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 17:08, Dallam Wych wrote: Mr. Barszus, Please refrain from posting privately on a mailing list, it really isn't proper netiquette. Sorry that I did not checked if your reply-to header is set right. I know it is bad behavior and you would know it that I know it

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Franki
first of all... repeat after me. FRANKI IS NOT AN AMERICAN :-) I'm an Aussie... Second.. the US must be spending what ?? 5-10 millian a day at the very least, probably a good deal more, putting all that military might around iraq... and its been going on for a very long time... That sort of

Re: [st_barszus@gmx.de: Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?]

2003-01-29 Thread Dallam Wych
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:02:21PM +0100, Steffen Barszus wrote: Sorry that I did not checked if your reply-to header is set right. I know it is bad behavior and you would know it that I know it after reading my sig. So I need to update kmail ;) . My intend was to quote the text you have

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Franki
maybe they are learning.. albiet slowly.. They did not put a dictator in charge of afganistan... they tried to start a democracy if memory serves... it doesn't seem to be working to well so far, but thats what they did.. I can only assume they would do the same in Iraq.. if not because they

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 11:46 am, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: I beg your all pardon but I could not keep my fingers away from the keyboard after such a stupid things written below. [...] Pardon Praedor, but I could not help myself

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 11:14, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 10:53 -0500, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: That's right, Chuck; that's exactly what you would expect from a brainwashed socialist liberal with absolutely no facts on their side except for worthless emotional outbursts

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread engage
I wish you people would quit cluttering my mailbox with all this crap. There are other lists where this would be appropriate. Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote .. first of all... repeat after me. FRANKI IS NOT AN AMERICAN :-) I'm an Aussie... Second.. the US must be spending what ?? 5-10

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 11:57 am, Alfredo C. López wrote: El Mié 29 Ene 2003 11:54, Chuck Burns escribió: We never SIGNED kyoto, because it was nothing more than a ploy to LOOK GOOD to ecologists. The WORST polluting countries are the 3rd

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread et
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 11:32 am, Sascha Noyes wrote: The terms socialist and liberal are mutually exclusive. Sascha Noyes so that is your final say on that? or how do you realy feel? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [st_barszus@gmx.de: Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?]

2003-01-29 Thread Steffen Barszus
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 18:23, Dallam Wych wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:02:21PM +0100, Steffen Barszus wrote: Sorry that I did not checked if your reply-to header is set right. I know it is bad behavior and you would know it that I know it after reading my sig. So I need to

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Franki
chill out guys, I like a heated discussion as much as the next guy, but when it degenerates to name calling and personal attacks, its not a discussion anymore.. its childish namecalling.. and I stopped doing that when I turned 27 some years back.. :-) rgds Franki -Original Message-

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Mick Szucs
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 12:18, Franki wrote: maybe they are learning.. albiet slowly.. They did not put a dictator in charge of afganistan... they tried to start a democracy if memory serves... Poor wording on my part - I was referring to the Millions of dollars in aid, weapons and training

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 12:23 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote: [...] Last polls in USA show that nearly half of the American people don't want war against Iraq in any case. In Germany our chancellor wouldn't get away with

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 12:24 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish you people would quit cluttering my mailbox with all this crap. There are other lists where this would be appropriate. Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote .. first of all...

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Franki
interestingly enough, the newbie list has been on topic all night... go figure :-) quote And what is democratic about having your leader appointed by a foreign authority, anyhow? /quote Didn't they get all the leaders of the various tribes together and let them elect one to lead??? Short of a

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow? The sun will come out tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar...

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 12:45 pm, Franki wrote: [...] believe it or not.. often a dictator is better economically then a democracy (at least initially).. simply because the leader need not worry about public opinion.. but that certainly

[expert] OT - This Damn List

2003-01-29 Thread Daryl Johnson
There are 361 newsgroups that include the keyword 'politics' on my usenent server. It can't be beyond all the clowns currently clogging up my Mandrake Expert list to take their blasted arguments re the US/Irag conflict over to one of those groups. AT LEAST TAKE IT OFF THIS LIST. regards

Re: [expert] OT - This Damn List

2003-01-29 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:57:31 + Daryl Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AT LEAST TAKE IT OFF THIS LIST. Agreed!!! Thankfully using claws I can set an ignore flag. Charles Pure drivel tends to drive ordinary drivel off the TV screen. (or computer monitor)

Re: [expert] OT - This Damn List

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 01:13 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:57:31 + Daryl Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AT LEAST TAKE IT OFF THIS LIST. Agreed!!! Thankfully using claws I can set an ignore flag. What is

Re: [expert] OT - This Damn List

2003-01-29 Thread Azrael
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 18:06, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 01:13 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:57:31 + Daryl Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AT LEAST TAKE IT OFF THIS LIST.

Re: [expert] OT - This Damn List

2003-01-29 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:06:42 -0500 Praedor Tempus Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is claws? sylpheed-claws, a damn great email program. Charles A freelance is one who gets paid by the word -- per piece or perhaps. -- Robert Benchley

Re: [expert] OT - This Damn List

2003-01-29 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 01:26 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:06:42 -0500 Praedor Tempus Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is claws? sylpheed-claws, a damn great email program. Ah. I know of sylpheed and have

Re: [expert] 9.1b2 observation/opinioin

2003-01-29 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 03:07 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: anyone know when that one's due out? Ahem: When it's ready... grin I always hated getting that answer! Ric LOL...I had that coming.. :) Not nearly as infuriating as -RSN- (Real Soon Now grin --

Re: [expert] TIVO on ATI Radeon DDR64

2003-01-29 Thread gikoreno
Hey Dave, I got AVview from the GATOS project running... but it seems to be of little use since I don't have a TV turner on that card, and no TV coax cable connection... I only have a video in and a video out like the ones you have on more recent video game consoles. You have to be able

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 02:11 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Totally different situation. The American president and the congress did not want to go to war against Germany because a lot of large US companies were tied up with Germany (mostly with the IG Farben conglomerate). The Jewish

Re: [expert] OT - This Damn List

2003-01-29 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:19:58 -0500 Praedor Tempus Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah. I know of sylpheed and have used it, I didn't know realize there was a claws as part of its name...or is there a variant of just sylpheed? There are 2, sylpheed and sylpheed-claws. Claws is an enhanced,

RE: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Robert Goshko
New flick, coming to a theatre of war soon: The Bush Administration In Association With The Other Bush Administration Presents Gulf Wars__ E P I S O D E I I Clone Of The Attack See the full movie poster:

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 12:14 pm, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: of US citizens with contrary views to those of the court-appointed US president and his apologists - I count several besides myself in this list thus far. Not all Americans respond with reflex support for what the current

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 13:39 -0500, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Wednesday 29 January 2003 02:11 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Totally different situation. The American president and the congress did not want to go to war against Germany because a lot of large US companies were tied up with

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 02:17 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: In case you don't know it yet: Pearl Harbour was attacked by the Japaneze. They are the slightly smaller men with (mostly) slanted eyes and live on some islands across the Pacific Ocean to the West of you. Thats exactly what I

[expert] sftp and chroot

2003-01-29 Thread J.P. Pasnak
I've been attempting to set up an enviroment that will let a user use sftp, but not allow them to 'walk' the rest of the system. I've tried _numerous_ different variations (created a chrooted user, using rbash or sftp-server as a shell, etc), and none of them seemed to work. I seem to be going

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 08:18, Dallam Wych wrote: I'm not religious, I wish I were. This madman and the options he has scare me to death. wobo I guess that perhaps is the way America and the uk feel when they hear your chancellor repetively refer the german way. Talk about scarey

Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?

2003-01-29 Thread Mark Weaver
Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 13:18 +, Dallam Wych wrote: I guess that perhaps is the way America and the uk feel when they hear your chancellor repetively refer the german way. Talk about scarey stuff, deja vu. When did Mr. Schroeder say something like the German way?

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