from:"SnapafunFrank"

RickSisler wrote:
SnapafunFrank ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 

When within my system I issue the following:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5 966M  714M  203M  78% /
/dev/hda1 966M   14M  903M   2% /boot
/dev/hda6 9.4G  5.1G  4.0G  57% /usr
/dev/hda8 9.4G  8.8G  693M  93% /home
/dev/hda91020M  312M  656M  33% /var
/dev/hda3  12G  2.0G  8.8G  19% /mnt/empty
/dev/hda4 3.4G  2.7G  712M  80% /mnt/win_h
/dev/hdb2  16M  2.3M   13M  16% /mnt/hdb2_boot
/dev/hdb5  92M   55M   33M  63% /mnt/hdb5_root
/dev/hdb6  92M   62M   25M  72% /mnt/hdb6_var
/dev/hdb7 3.1G  1.9G  1.1G  64% /mnt/hdb7_usr
/dev/hdb9 1.5G  1.4G  151M  91% /mnt/hdb9_home
/dev/hdb1  14G   13G  1.2G  92% /mnt/win_c2
I get a summary of all my partitions AND their names.
However, I'm unable to do this when I'm NOT within the system:
So, is there a file on the system that could simply give me this info by
simply reading it ?
   

Hi,
the *df* command reports free disk space from all mounted file
systems. So take a look at /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab which will give you the
names and mount points your looking for.
For more info.. man mount, fstab and df 
Hopefully helpfull ..
 

Thanks for that RickS but as I stated above, the fstab on the system I'm 
trying to recover is somewhat unreliable.

( It starts that its mount point for one partition is /mnt for example. )
At present I'm even unaware of how many partitions that system has.
There are long ways of finding out but you have given me another place 
to look before I go there with tomsrtbt.

Again, your input is greatly appreciated.
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Re: [newbie] Booting in I mode - attn Mikkel/Frank - originally USB card reader thread

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Hi Mikkel
Finally remembered your email and went back and tried the above.  I 
am in Mandrake after not starting ALSA.  It also hung at starting 
sendmail so delected that too.

Yes I had a problem booting a while back when following some 
instructions to attempt to get a USB mouse going.  I had the same 
problems with the boot stalling at ALSA.  I booted with mouse pugged 
in and CD1 in and selected upgrade  Can't remember all details 
now, but when got a desktop it was strange - too bigger icons etc 
and if the mouse was moved, the area under the cursor seemed to be 
obliterated.  I rebooted and got the same, noticed the new entry so 
booted to that out of curiosity.  The new entry had not been there 
before. I put the PS2 adapter on the mouse and changed the selection 
and it worked.  I have been booting to that new numbered entry ever 
since - on the rare ocassions I do boot.

When I attempted the first install of Mandrake there was an issue 
also - where it said proceeding, please wait, but nothing 
happened.  Came to the list for advice had to unplug USB devices to 
get it to install.

Wonder if this will be sent seeing as deselected 'sendmail!
Rosemary

Rosemary,
 This give me some things to think about. It will probably be 
sometime Monday before I get back to you. Have a happy Easter.

Mikkel


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There is no rush Mikkel.  I really appreciate the time you have given 
already.  
Rosemary

The new entry is within lilo.conf and I may have mentioned it before ~ 
it involves the devfs=nomount append parameter.

Get back with you later. Awaiting some updated copies of some config files.
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Re: [newbie] df

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
This is my df - quite different to what knoppix gave!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5 5.8G  1.7G  3.9G  30% /
/dev/hda9  12G  170M   12G   2% /home
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$
It's the same when I am root.
Rosemary



There is something very wrong here when put with your fstab file I THINK!
WARNING: Do not muck about with the following  fdisk  command or you 
could corrupt your partition table and loose everything!

Please do as su :
$ su
password:
# fdisk/dev/hda  Enter
Type the letter ' p ' and Enter ( as always ~ Quotes not included )
Highlight the table output and  Right Click   Copy 
 Paste  into your reply email to me.
[ Once you have copied the printout and whilst still within konsole: ( 
or go back to konsole later if you wish ):
 type the letter ' q ' ( Q for quit ) and press Enter to get out of 
fdisk. ]
AND as stated above ~ don't go looking around with this command ~ it 
could land you in trouble.

If you are not happy with my warnings here then please call me.
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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Hello Frank
Thanks for that vote of confidence!
No joy with df ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt
bash: /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt: No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ su
Password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt
df: `/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt': No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# exit
Tried to do the attachments as requested.  The only /etc/udev/udev is 
the .conf.  I can't attach the /etc/udev/permission.d and can't see a 
/etc/udev/udev/permission

The files don't all match your requests.  I've included old lilo 
seeing as it is there.  The rules is /etc/udev/rules.d

Hope this makes sense.
Rosemary
You missed the most important part Rosemary: Compare to two commands below:
$ df/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt  [ Your closet command to 
my request ]

$ df/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt  [ The correct command ~ 
notice the greater than symbol ]

This is how [ whenever it is possible to do so ] we put the output of a 
command ( in this case $ df ) to a text file instead
of printing it directly to the screen. This makes/overwrites a text file 
at the location ( path ) you choose.

An extension of this is to use two greater than symbolsand this 
will add to the text file rather than overwrite it.

Hope this becomes a useful tool for you to use.
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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Hello Frank
Thanks for that vote of confidence!
No joy with df ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt
bash: /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt: No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ su
Password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt
df: `/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt': No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# exit
Tried to do the attachments as requested.  The only /etc/udev/udev is 
the .conf.  I can't attach the /etc/udev/permission.d and can't see a 
/etc/udev/udev/permission

The files don't all match your requests.  I've included old lilo 
seeing as it is there.  The rules is /etc/udev/rules.d

Hope this makes sense.
Rosemary
My second reply to this one  sorry about that but needed to get the 
first part done.

As to your attachments, these I can use and will study them but know 
they are mostly mandrake specific generated files and do not follow the 
usual udev conventions: more for me to learn 'cause I will properly face 
this setup myself when I upgrade.

One thing stands out immediately:
Within your 00-mdk.rules file is a section for sound devices:
There is no mention here of  Alsa  at all, yet this is where things 
are usually initiated and I am surprised by  Alsa's  absence.

You might want to start a thread at newbie@linux-mandrake.com about this.
That is: alsa hangs the system during bootup and that it being missing 
from this file: Ask if this is normal?

Now back to sorting the rest.
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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
On Monday 28 Mar 2005 14:47, SnapafunFrank wrote:
 

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
   

Hello Frank
Thanks for that vote of confidence!
No joy with df ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt
bash: /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt: No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ su
Password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt
df: `/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt': No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# exit
Tried to do the attachments as requested.  The only /etc/udev/udev is
the .conf.  I can't attach the /etc/udev/permission.d and can't see a
/etc/udev/udev/permission
The files don't all match your requests.  I've included old lilo
seeing as it is there.  The rules is /etc/udev/rules.d
Hope this makes sense.
Rosemary
 

You missed the most important part Rosemary: Compare to two commands below:
$ df/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt  [ Your closet command to
my request ]
$ df/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt  [ The correct command ~
notice the greater than symbol ]
This is how [ whenever it is possible to do so ] we put the output of a
command ( in this case $ df ) to a text file instead
of printing it directly to the screen. This makes/overwrites a text file
at the location ( path ) you choose.
An extension of this is to use two greater than symbolsand this
will add to the text file rather than overwrite it.
Hope this becomes a useful tool for you to use.
   

In fact I had tried it both ways, and have tried again.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ df  /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ df   /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt
On the first ocassion, some while ago, I got syntax error when I put the 
greater than sign in.

Rosemary
 

Well, I just tried it by highlighting and copy then pasting it into 
konsole just as you have reported it back here and on my desktop I now have
the df.txt file ( changed rosemary to frank of course.

Something else to fix because this is a great tool for sharing your 
problems AND for making text files of your files before you make 
alterations.

In a previous post you sent me the output of df so I have that info at 
least and is why I have asked for the fdisk stuff.

Try cd~ing to the Desktop and see if all the directories exist as to  
/home/rosemary/Desktop/

It may well be that there is something different here.
*Er if either of the commands simply returned you directly to the 
prompt without doing anything then check your Desktop
the file ( df.txt ) may actually be there...*

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Re: [newbie] df table file

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
SnapafunFrank wrote:
RickSisler wrote:
SnapafunFrank ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 

When within my system I issue the following:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5 966M  714M  203M  78% /
/dev/hda1 966M   14M  903M   2% /boot
/dev/hda6 9.4G  5.1G  4.0G  57% /usr
/dev/hda8 9.4G  8.8G  693M  93% /home
/dev/hda91020M  312M  656M  33% /var
/dev/hda3  12G  2.0G  8.8G  19% /mnt/empty
/dev/hda4 3.4G  2.7G  712M  80% /mnt/win_h
/dev/hdb2  16M  2.3M   13M  16% /mnt/hdb2_boot
/dev/hdb5  92M   55M   33M  63% /mnt/hdb5_root
/dev/hdb6  92M   62M   25M  72% /mnt/hdb6_var
/dev/hdb7 3.1G  1.9G  1.1G  64% /mnt/hdb7_usr
/dev/hdb9 1.5G  1.4G  151M  91% /mnt/hdb9_home
/dev/hdb1  14G   13G  1.2G  92% /mnt/win_c2
I get a summary of all my partitions AND their names.
However, I'm unable to do this when I'm NOT within the system:
So, is there a file on the system that could simply give me this 
info by
simply reading it ?
  

Hi,
the *df* command reports free disk space from all mounted file
systems. So take a look at /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab which will give 
you the
names and mount points your looking for.
For more info.. man mount, fstab and df 

Hopefully helpfull ..
 

Thanks for that RickS but as I stated above, the fstab on the system 
I'm trying to recover is somewhat unreliable.

( It starts that its mount point for one partition is /mnt for 
example. )

At present I'm even unaware of how many partitions that system has.
There are long ways of finding out but you have given me another 
place to look before I go there with tomsrtbt.

Again, your input is greatly appreciated.
The names are generated by whare they are mounted. This is controlled 
by /etc/mtab in the root partition, and is also reflected in 
/proc/mounts. The names will be different if you boot from a CD, and 
mount them, or if you move the drive to a different system. On a 
working system, the space information is calculated by the kernel.

You can get where things would normaly be mounted by looking in 
/etc/fstab on the root partition. If you had booted from a CD, and 
/dev/hda5 were mounted on /mnt, then the file would be /mnt/etc/fstab. 
(The rescue mode of the install cd has the option of mounting all the 
partition on /mnt, so that what would normaly be mounted on /mnt/empty 
would end up mounted on /mnt/mnt/empty, and so forth.

Mikkel
Thanks Mikkel ~ got all that and I now know that getting the names of 
the partitions that a system users has various ways of finding them out ~
but that no one file that relates specifically
to this is available to see from using another system to look in. Worth 
a try though.
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Re: [newbie] re: newbie df

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Warnings well heeded.  I am almost too scared to do anything in Mandrake now - 
no just kidding.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# fdisk /dev/hda
The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 4865.
There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
and could in certain setups cause problems with:
1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
  (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
Command (m for help): p
Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
 

Please understand my notes to your table here. Is this what you were 
after? Strictly your call here.

  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System   
[ Franks approx partition sizes ]
/dev/hda1   *   1236418988798+   7  HPFS/NTFS   
[19gig ]
/dev/hda22423486519623397+   5  Extended 
[20gig ]
/dev/hda524233186 6136798+  83  Linux   
 [6gig] ~ [ This is your root partition ]
/dev/hda648084854  377496   83  Linux   
[350MB ]
/dev/hda748554865   88326   82  Linux swap  
[82MB ]
/dev/hda831873326 1124518+  82  Linux swap  
[1.1gig ]
/dev/hda93327480711896101   83  Linux   
  [12gig - wow, wish I could afford this much] ~ [ This is your /home partition 
]
Partition table entries are not in disk order
I can breathe now I am out of fdisk!
regards
Rosemary
 

OK Rosemary, I need to study this a little but for now see what I see.
You have a 40gig hard drive:
You have 7 ( note ~ seven ) partitions:
You have only 1 primary partition ~ you ought to have 3 but not 
essential: more about this later.

You have only 1 ( one ) logic partition ~ you are allowed up to 16 last 
I heard:

You therefore have 1 ( all you are allowed I believe ) extended 
partition ~ it is within this partition that you have your logic partitions:

You have 2 swap partitions ~ no idea why you have two when one is enough 
especially when one of them appears huge.

( Don't mind me rambling on here ~ I'm working out loud.)
Generally the rules here are:
No more than 4 primary partitions with only one of them being made an 
extended partition in which you can have up to 16 logic ( LBA ) partitions.

You can have as many swap partitions as you like though usually one is 
enough.

Partition numbering is:
primary 1 ~ 4 ( includes the extended partition )
With LBA partitions numbering 5 ~ say 16
The only partitions you have correct here are:
/dev/hda1 *  [ Your WinXP partition and the * means it is bootable ]
/dev/hda1 [ One of  your swap partitions and I say this is correct because 
it appears to be of the correct size ~ Usually no more than 1.5 times your RAM 
size if it is under 512MB ]
Now lets take your df printf: [ printf is syntax for echo or in other words ~ 
what you see returned to the screen when you issue a command seeking info. ]
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5 5.8G  1.7G  3.9G  30% /[ My rough math for the 
above table isn't to far off here afterall.]
/dev/hda9  12G  170M   12G   2% /home [ You must work out what you 
really will be using here because this is far to big at present  ~  only 170MB 
of 12000MB used so far.]
SO. 

Your WinXP partition does not get mounted when you boot up ~ you may prefer 
this but fstab has it entered.
Your hda6 partition doesn't get mounted so we need to discover which directory 
this relates to. [ See below ]
Your hda8, in my opinion is just wasted space at present.
Please try this:
Go KConfigure Your DesktopPartitions  and tell me what you see 
there. If there is more there than /dev/hda5 and /dev/hda9, ( should at 
least be /dev/hda7 and /dev/hda8 ),
 then please make a note of what partitions are there AND what there 
sizes are, ( Usually in megabytes ~ [ MB ] ), as this will save having 
to work out partition sizes using the
 number of blocks reported by the fdisk command. { Went back and did 
that anyway but am still curious ]

Another thing to do is to mount that /dev/hda6 partition to find out 
what it is. So do as su:

# mkdir /mnt/hda6
# mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/hda6  [ If this gives you errors then stop here 
and let me know what those errors are. ]
# cd /mnt/hda6
# ls   
Look at any directories listed here ( other than lost  found ) and tell 
me what they are please.

Not trying to crowd you so will stop here and await your replies.
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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
On Monday 28 Mar 2005 15:00, SnapafunFrank wrote:
 

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
   

Hello Frank
Thanks for that vote of confidence!
No joy with df ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt
bash: /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt: No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ su
Password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt
df: `/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt': No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# exit
Tried to do the attachments as requested.  The only /etc/udev/udev is
the .conf.  I can't attach the /etc/udev/permission.d and can't see a
/etc/udev/udev/permission
The files don't all match your requests.  I've included old lilo
seeing as it is there.  The rules is /etc/udev/rules.d
Hope this makes sense.
Rosemary
 

My second reply to this one  sorry about that but needed to get the
first part done.
As to your attachments, these I can use and will study them but know
they are mostly mandrake specific generated files and do not follow the
usual udev conventions: more for me to learn 'cause I will properly face
this setup myself when I upgrade.
One thing stands out immediately:
Within your 00-mdk.rules file is a section for sound devices:
There is no mention here of  Alsa  at all, yet this is where things
are usually initiated and I am surprised by  Alsa's  absence.
You might want to start a thread at newbie@linux-mandrake.com about this.
That is: alsa hangs the system during bootup and that it being missing
from this file: Ask if this is normal?
   

I booted with ALSA disabled - but I guess there should still be an entry?
 

Yes we will need to rely on someone knowledgeable with alsa things 
to help with this one but you may wish to search for  set up alsa howto .

Let us know if you find anything.
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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

James Henry Maiewski wrote:
Hello,
	I lost count of the number of times my blind experimentation (along 
with sheer stupidity (like the time I uninstalled the package 
installer DOH!).  Do not be afraid of  this.  However, the best 
advice I ever got on this list was to mount your /home directory on a 
seperate partition.  When (If!) you need to reinstall, only install 
the /root on the root partition, thus saving all your personal files.  	

	This isn't as technical as it sounds, but I would defer to someone 
better schooled in these matters to step you through it.

- JHM
PS:  you might want to leave the reply to address blanc on your mail 
client (Kmail, etc).  It makes it easier for people to simple reply 
to you.

On Saturday 26 March 2005 1:20 am, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
 

I also am prepared to do a
reinstall if things look too idiotic!  I don't have a lot in
Mandrake to lose.  I have saved a heap of emails relating to
Mandrake, but should be able to access them in the archive.  I'm
happy to atke advice and try fixes suggested, but not keen to have
people spending too much time on it ...
Appreciate your help
Rosemary
   

 

Rosemary.
I think you will find that at present both Mikkel and I are enjoying 
time with our families, it being easter and all.

We will assist you no matter what you decide but I believe you need to 
make a choice that suits you yourself first.

Either re-install or repair.
I believe you will learn heaps more of linux if you should attempt your 
own linux installation recovery [ albeit with our assistance ] rather 
than going for the re-install.

But this must be your choice.
Should you decide to go for a rescue attempt then lets start at the 
beginning and get some tools organized whilst you are still within windows.

Try doing this: search for, download and burn to floppy the tomsrtbt 
image. You will need rawrite or possibly rawrite2 to do this within 
windows. Have a read of what you find.

While within windows send us a copy of /etc/lilo.conf ~ a copy of 
/etc/fstab [ not /etc/fstab.save ] ~ and a copy of your /etc/inittab

At present, I take it that you cannot even get to the login screen ?
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Re: [newbie] OT - OOo in Windows

Anne Wilson wrote:
Sorry for this, but I need some urgent help.  Tomorrow I have to install OOo 
under Windows for my daughter.  I'm trying to woo her, kicking and screaming, 
from her use of Lotus WordPro.  I've installed it here under Win4Lin so that 
I can look it over.  The problem I've found is that clicking on a url or 
email address makes it attempt to launch IE or OE, even if you are only 
trying to edit it.  She'll never cope with that - she'll just abandon it.  I 
can't see how to turn this off.  I'm sure it must be possible.  Can anyone 
help me, please.

Anne
 

ToolsOptionsOpenOffice.orgExternal Programs
Set things here and you are able to browse to your preferred program 
.exe files.

Enjoy
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[newbie] df table file

When within my system I issue the following:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5 966M  714M  203M  78% /
/dev/hda1 966M   14M  903M   2% /boot
/dev/hda6 9.4G  5.1G  4.0G  57% /usr
/dev/hda8 9.4G  8.8G  693M  93% /home
/dev/hda91020M  312M  656M  33% /var
/dev/hda3  12G  2.0G  8.8G  19% /mnt/empty
/dev/hda4 3.4G  2.7G  712M  80% /mnt/win_h
/dev/hdb2  16M  2.3M   13M  16% /mnt/hdb2_boot
/dev/hdb5  92M   55M   33M  63% /mnt/hdb5_root
/dev/hdb6  92M   62M   25M  72% /mnt/hdb6_var
/dev/hdb7 3.1G  1.9G  1.1G  64% /mnt/hdb7_usr
/dev/hdb9 1.5G  1.4G  151M  91% /mnt/hdb9_home
/dev/hdb1  14G   13G  1.2G  92% /mnt/win_c2
I get a summary of all my partitions AND their names.
However, I'm unable to do this when I'm NOT within the system:
So, is there a file on the system that could simply give me this info by 
simply reading it ?

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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Okay - I tried this.  At the cd it said home not set so I added 
/ after looking down at the vi instructions - hope that was right, 
now thinking it should have been ~!  Anyway - rebooted and it 
stalled at ALSA again.

In windows explore2fs, now see only hda2, hda3 and hda6.  In hda2 
fstab.save shows this:

/dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1
/dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto 
umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0
none /mnt/floppy supermount 
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 
0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0
/dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0

Rosemary
Hi Rosemary,
 Yes, it should have been cd / and not cd. The reasion for that is 
so that your current directory is not inside the partition you are 
trying to unmount. Otherwise you would get a message about the 
partition being in use. While you could do a shutdown without 
unmounting the partition, and probably not have any problems, I like 
to play it safe when working remotely.
 End result - we have a tempary fix for one source of trouble. But we 
still have the origional problem. The next step is to see if we can 
isolate it a bit. We have a couple of ways to go here. MOre then I had 
thought we would, because of the boot menu choice you use to boot the 
system. You have said that you are not using the linux entry to boot 
the system. Was there a problem where the system would not boot when 
you used that option?

Things to try:
 Boot with the linux-nonfb option, and see if that makes a difference.
 Try the I (interactive) option when booting, and do not start ALSA. 
Does the system boot then? This should give you a system without sound.
The hit I for interactive boot is displayed as part of the boot 
messages. If you normaly have the bootsplash screen with the progress 
bar showing when booting, you will have to hit the Esc key to see the 
messages. There is a fairly long period between when the message is 
displayed, and when you actualy enter the interactive mode. It does 
several things after displaying the message, before it reaches the 
decision point. (Display message, do other things while giving the 
user time to react, then check for user responce. No user timeout delay.)

 If the system boots fine without ALSA starting, then we can work on 
getting ALSA fixed. If it doesn't, then we know the problem is 
elseware. From the way the problem apeared, I suspect that there may 
be an interupt sharing problem between the sound card and the USB 
interface, but this is just a guess at this point.

Mikkel
Hi Mikkel:
Rosemary has sent me directly some info which I think you ought to be 
privy to.

Her lilo.conf gives the devfs=nomount append only on the one she 
appears able to boot with. ( albeit that it stalls at ALSA later )

Her append lines also include  resume=/mnt/hda8 which is a new one for 
me, so I'm off to learn something about that one.

Hope this helps us help Rosemary, I'm learning heaps off things I did'nt 
need to know before, so am staying very interested in helping Rosemary out.

I've also started another thread  df table file  . If you get a 
chance, see if you can assist with this one please.

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Re: [newbie] df table file

mike wrote:
SnapafunFrank wrote:
 

When within my system I issue the following:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5 966M  714M  203M  78% /
/dev/hda1 966M   14M  903M   2% /boot
/dev/hda6 9.4G  5.1G  4.0G  57% /usr
/dev/hda8 9.4G  8.8G  693M  93% /home
/dev/hda91020M  312M  656M  33% /var
/dev/hda3  12G  2.0G  8.8G  19% /mnt/empty
/dev/hda4 3.4G  2.7G  712M  80% /mnt/win_h
/dev/hdb2  16M  2.3M   13M  16% /mnt/hdb2_boot
/dev/hdb5  92M   55M   33M  63% /mnt/hdb5_root
/dev/hdb6  92M   62M   25M  72% /mnt/hdb6_var
/dev/hdb7 3.1G  1.9G  1.1G  64% /mnt/hdb7_usr
/dev/hdb9 1.5G  1.4G  151M  91% /mnt/hdb9_home
/dev/hdb1  14G   13G  1.2G  92% /mnt/win_c2
I get a summary of all my partitions AND their names.
However, I'm unable to do this when I'm NOT within the system:
So, is there a file on the system that could simply give me this info by
simply reading it ?
   

Probably /etc/fstab and /proc/partitions would give you some info.
(on the system in question)
You could make a simple one line script like df  diskfree.txt
and make a cron job to run it. Then read the diskfree.txt file.
Mike

 

Thanks Mike, and I have somewhere else to look, but the system I need 
this info from cannot be booted into right now because I believe 
/etc/fstab is mucked up a little.
To that end I'm prepared to use tomsrtbt to look in on the system and 
that is why I'm trying to find out how I can glean this info.
tomsrtbt has fdisk but that doesn't tell me the 'names' of the 
partitions on the system I'm trying to restore. Still, there are ways, I 
just wondered if the info was recorded
to make my task a little easier.

Again, greatly appreciate your input.
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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

2005-03-23 Thread SnapafunFrank

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Frank suggested I install explore2fs and post the fstab file.
Here it is
/dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1
/dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto 
umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0
none /mnt/floppy supermount 
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 
0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0
/dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0

Regards
Rosemary

This is strange. You are mounting hda6 on /mnt, and then the CD-ROM is 
mounting on /mnt/cdrom. It is not normal proactice to mount anyting on 
/mnt, as you normaly have mount points for removable devices in this 
directory. In your case, your CD-ROM is mounted there, as well as your 
Windows partition. I would have to look into things a lot deeper, to 
see exactly what order things would get mounted, but I can picture all 
kinds of strange things going on here. If the Windows partition gets 
mounted before hda6, then you are probably going to lose access to it. 
I am not sure what is going to happen with the CD-ROM, but I would not 
be susprised if it failed to mount if there is not a cdrom directory 
in the base directory on hda6.

What you may want to try is to boot the install CD in the rescue mode, 
drop to the console, and run:

mount /dev/hda5 /mnt
cd /mnt/etc
mv fstab fstab.save
grep -v hda6 fstab.save  fstab
cd
umount /mnt
reboot
What you are doing is to mount your root partition, and change to what 
is normaly the /etc direcroty. You are then renaming fstab to 
fstab.save. The grep command is cheating a new fstab without the hda6 
line in it.

If you are more comfortable using vi instead of messing around with 
grep, and renaming files, use this instead.

mount /dev/hda5 /mnt
cd /mnt/etc
cp fstab fstab.save
vi fstab
   move down to line starting /dev/hda6
   Enter i#Esc
   Enter :wq
cd /
umount /mnt
eboot
For the vi commands, do not enter the , and the Esc is the Esc key. 
Use the down arrow key to move down the hage. What you are doing is 
putting the # at the start of the line to comment it out. You do not 
realy need to make a backup copy of fstab, but I like to play it safe.

Now, I don't know if this will fix the problem you are having, and we 
will have to discover what is going on with hda6, and where it should 
be mounted. But it is one problem that I do see, so fixing it should 
not hurt. (If it is susposed to be mounted of /usr, then we have to 
get it mounted correctly before the will boot correctly!)

Mikkel
OK Mikkel, I did not see it that way and submit that you know more about 
this than I but I'm not clear about this and wonder if Rosemary will be 
able to follow the logic you mention.

First, I agree that hda6 as the /mnt directory is out of place, and 
wonder why the /mnt directory even has it's own partition. The 
directories inside my /mnt directory are afterall only to allow
linking to partitions and/or devices. Hence my windows partition would 
be something like  /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win  with  win  being the 
partition and not  mnt .

I now see even more issues and can understand your concern so would ask 
how we could get the result printf from her windows side that would give 
us the same result we can get
when we issue:

# df
when within our running system. eg: mine looks like this ~
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mnt]# df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5 966M  711M  206M  78% /
/dev/hda1 966M   14M  903M   2% /boot
/dev/hda6 9.4G  5.1G  4.0G  57% /usr
/dev/hda8 9.4G  8.7G  730M  93% /home
/dev/hda91020M  303M  666M  32% /var
/dev/hda3  12G  1.3G  9.5G  13% /mnt/empty
/dev/hda4 3.4G  2.7G  713M  80% /mnt/win_h
/dev/hdb2  16M  2.3M   13M  16% /mnt/hdb2_boot
/dev/hdb5  92M   55M   33M  63% /mnt/hdb5_root
/dev/hdb6  92M   62M   25M  72% /mnt/hdb6_var
/dev/hdb7 3.1G  1.9G  1.1G  64% /mnt/hdb7_usr
/dev/hdb9 1.5G  1.4G  151M  91% /mnt/hdb9_home
/dev/hdb1  14G   13G  1.2G  92% /mnt/win_c2
From this printf we would be able to determine the correct layout for 
/etc/fstab for her hard drive, and I agree, before she gets to cdrom, 
floppies, etc.

[ An alternative is to get her up with the rescue option as you 
described above and take her step by step through
the commands she needs to get us the relevant info. ~ your thoughts ? ]

But I reiterate ~ /mnt should not be a partition on it's own ?  Your 
thoughts here also please.

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Re: [newbie] OT: How to mount a Windows partition ~ OOps ~ error ~ tar clf - . | ( umask 0; cd /mnt2; tar xvf - )

2005-03-23 Thread SnapafunFrank

riccardo wrote:
On Tuesday 22 March 2005 06:22 pm, David Anderson wrote:
 

I want to be able to mount hda1 and sda1 and copy files from one to
the other
   


~ if, I get the drift . . . you have booted from CD and neither hda1 
nor sda1 are mounted?


So ~ make an extra mount point/directory called, say :  /mnt2
[ say your file systems are Reiser type ]
__
mount -t reiser /dev/hda1 /mnt
next:
mount  -t reiser /dev/sda1 /mnt2
then, cd to /mnt
finally, as root, give the command :
tar clf - . | ( umask 0; cd /mnt2; tar xvf - )
..
best rgds
_
 

Sorry to butt in here, and I am only a newbie so treat my thoughts with 
caution, but would not hda actually refer to the cd itself in this case?
Can't remember, but I did have some like type issue when I last did a 
hard drive back up this way. Remember having to use some other
commands to actually see the hard drive in the finish. Still, Mephis may 
be more friendly this way, so to check it out do attempt to look inside
the partition to see whether or not you recognize any of your window files.

Now off to study riccardo's commands to see what I can learn from them.
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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

2005-03-22 Thread SnapafunFrank

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:

Dennis Myers wrote:
On Monday 21 March 2005 07:26 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
 

Card reader arrived today so thought I would try it out!  Big mistake!
I read instructions on a board and following that took a look using
HardDrake - don't know if this is it or not.  Instructions said to look
at hda.  It says old device file: /dev/hda  and just below  New devfs
device:  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc.
That's when I should have posted!  Thought I would plug it in and see if
it would auto detect on reboot, but it hung at starting ALSA.  So
unplugged it and rebooted without it, but still hung at ALSA.  So here I
am in windows begging for help to get mandrake going again.
Frank I don't where I'm at with your requests because I can't get to my
emails in mandrake!
Thanks in advance
Rosemary
   

It may be hanging because it is looking for the  card reader. Try putting Disk 
1 in and booting and when you get the first screen do  the F1 enter and 
then type rescue at the prompt. When it brings up a dos like screen arrow 
to the mount partitions and enter and when done do an exit and reboot the 
computer. Let us know what happens, HTH
 

Frank suggested I install explore2fs and post the fstab file.
Here it is
/dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1
/dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto 
umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0
none /mnt/floppy supermount 
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 
0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0
/dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0

Regards
Rosemary

Nothing there Rosemary : And the fact that you can post it means you did 
not upset things when you copied your files for me.

Now my system IS different from yours and where I have 
/etc/udev/udev.rules [ So does yours ] you may also have 
/etc/udev/50-udev.rules.

If so could you please give me a copy of that ? What I am looking for is 
entries within the udev system such as I have in my /etc/udev/udev.rules 
file.

Like:
...snip...
# alsa devices
KERNEL=controlC[0-9]*, NAME=snd/%k
KERNEL=hw[CD0-9]*, NAME=snd/%k
KERNEL=pcm[CD0-9cp]*,  NAME=snd/%k
KERNEL=midi[CD0-9]*,   NAME=snd/%k
KERNEL=timer,  NAME=snd/%k
KERNEL=seq,NAME=snd/%k
My thought here is that we temporarily stop this lot happening to see 
whether or not there is a problem : we would do that by commenting out 
all the lines by editing this file and placing a  #  at the beginning of 
each of these lines. It's just that I'm not sure where on your system 
this is likely to be at present. [ I believe you are using MDK10.1 ? 
whereas I'm staying with MDK10 Official for now.]

Not at home during the day but I'm sure there are plenty of helpers out 
there for immediate advise and I will be sure to check my email each night.

Can't beat going at things one step at a time.
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Re: [newbie] Fixing an application--?

2005-03-21 Thread SnapafunFrank

Marv Boyes wrote:
Hello, all. Wasn't sure how to title this post, as I've never run into 
this situation before.

The application in question is Bookcase (v.0.6.6-1; I believe the 
applciation is now called something else). It's kind of a specialized 
thing, so I'm hoping that whatever is happening to me is a generalized 
problem and has a general solution.

Basically, it won't run any more. I made the apparent mistake of 
trying to open a second data file before the first had been saved, and 
when I hit Cancel the program crashed. Now when I try to run it, I 
get the same error from the KDE crash handler that I got at the 
initial crash:
'The application Bookcase (bookcase) crashed and cause the signal 11 
(SIGSEGV).' The following is my terminal output:

Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
QCheckBox::property( title ) failed: property invalid or does not exist
[the above is repeated seven times]
WARNING: BookcaseDoc::loadDomDocument() - unsupported collection type!
WARNING: Bookcase will probably crash at some point!
QGDict::hashKeyString: Invalid null key
QGDictIterator::toFirst: Dictionary has been deleted
I went looking for some kind of configuration file, or dotfile or 
.directory that I thought might be related to the program, but 
couldn't find anything. I uninstalled the program (via RPMdrake) and 
reinstalled, but I'm getting the same behavior.

Any ideas? All guidance is greatly appreciated in advance.

As a newbie my first step would be to check whether or not your problem 
is user specific or not.

Can you log in as a different user and see if you still have the same 
problems ?

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Re: [newbie] FAT question

2005-03-19 Thread SnapafunFrank

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
On Friday 18 March 2005 11:39, SnapafunFrank wrote:
 

H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
   

On Friday 18 March 2005 09:47, SnapafunFrank wrote:
 

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
   

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 

I've just got my hands on a 160 GB external USB hard disk.
Now, this thing comes preformatted with a FAT32 (vfat) file
system. When I unmount the thing I can't reformat the drive
with a decent file system like ReiserFS, JFS, ext2 or ext3
from be it the MCC or by hand.  I can't even re-partition it
with FAT32 ?
So here it goes :  will this FAT32 file system become
fragmented over time like any other Windows file system ?
If yes, how to defrag it ?
Or, will I have to move the FS to another drive
back-and-forth in order to defrag ?
TIA
Kaj Haulrich.
   

I deleted the wrong message, so this is not a direct reply to
this message, but to one later in the thread...  :-(
When you were trying to work with the drive, what device were
you giving fdisk? If you unmount the FAT partition first, you
should be able to use something like fdisk /dev/sda to get
at the partition table. If you can, then it is simple to
change the drive to another file system. If you are happy
with it being one large partition, then change the type (t)
to 83 (ext2/3) and save (w) the updated partition table.
Then run mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 to create an ext3 file system.
If you have any data on the drive you want to keep, BACK IT UP
before starting this.
Please keep in mind that the drive may not be /dev/sda and the
partition may not be /dev/sda1 - it depends on your system,
and how the drive was partitioned.
Mikkel
 

Just a newbie thought : Can you do as root :
# cat /etc/fstab | grep sd
And post it back here. Be sure the device is
plugged in first.
TIA
   

Even easier: cat /dev/sd on the CML and hit TAB...that way
you'll see what's there.
When inserting/plugging the device the specific /dev/sd* file
gets made and also gets removed when unplugging.
Repeat after me:
TAB is my best on the command line..!;)
 

ONLY I SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO VIEW THE FSTAB ENTRY TO CHECK ITS
OPTIONS!
   

Here it is (on one line) :
/dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto 
umask=0022,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,exec,users 
0 0
 

Thanks for this, it tells me that the problem I had does not matter here 
because you have sync set and not default.

One thing this newbie read somewhere is that /dev/sda? are not 
formatable ?? Can someone clarify this ?

Ah... here it is:
A key such as KERNEL=sd?1 would match KERNEL names such as sda1, 
sdb1, sdc1, and equally importantly, it will not match KERNEL names 
such as sda, sdb, or sg1. The purpose of this key is to ignore the 
/dev/sda and /dev/sg1 nodes. The device is a digital camera -* I would 
not dream of fdisking it or anything like that, so these 2 nodes are 
pretty useless to me.* The key attempts to capture the /dev/sda1 node, 
which is mountable and therefore useful!

Reverse in you case maybe?
This is within this link
http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php
I only mention it here because on other postings within this thread I 
have seen the references to  sda1  and only wondered if this is a 
first step problem.

Of course I know about the umask=0022 being stupid, but hitherto I 
haven't found a way to let it stay =0.

Each time my daughter uses the drive, I have to unmount it, edit 
fstab to umask=0 and remount.  Then she can use it.  Been nagging 
me for months with the other removables like camera, mp3 players 
and memory sticks.  -  And : whacking supermount doesn't change a 
thing.

If I ever find the daemon that changes my fstab against my will, 
I'll fetch my 9 mm Neuhausen...

Kaj Haulrich.
 


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Re: [newbie] FAT question

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Kaj Haulrich wrote:
I've just got my hands on a 160 GB external USB hard disk.
Now, this thing comes preformatted with a FAT32 (vfat) file system.
When I unmount the thing I can't reformat the drive with a decent 
file system like ReiserFS, JFS, ext2 or ext3 from be it the MCC or by 
hand.  I can't even re-partition it with FAT32 ?

So here it goes :  will this FAT32 file system become fragmented over 
time like any other Windows file system ?

If yes, how to defrag it ?
Or, will I have to move the FS to another drive back-and-forth in 
order to defrag ?

TIA
Kaj Haulrich.
I deleted the wrong message, so this is not a direct reply to this 
message, but to one later in the thread...  :-(

When you were trying to work with the drive, what device were you 
giving fdisk? If you unmount the FAT partition first, you should be 
able to use something like fdisk /dev/sda to get at the partition 
table. If you can, then it is simple to change the drive to another 
file system. If you are happy with it being one large partition, then 
change the type (t) to 83 (ext2/3) and save (w) the updated partition 
table.
Then run mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 to create an ext3 file system.

If you have any data on the drive you want to keep, BACK IT UP before 
starting this.

Please keep in mind that the drive may not be /dev/sda and the 
partition may not be /dev/sda1 - it depends on your system, and how 
the drive was partitioned.

Mikkel
Just a newbie thought : Can you do as root :
# cat /etc/fstab | grep sd
And post it back here. Be sure the device is plugged in first.
TIA
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Re: [newbie] Tux Magazine

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 14:08, Stephen Kühn wrote:
 

On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 11:37, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
   

On Friday 18 Mar 2005 05:11, eric jackson wrote:
 

I just wanted to alert people to Tux Magazine. I stumbled on a link to
it somewhere. www.tuxmagazine.com. It is a free linux magazine
distributed in PDF format aimed at new users. There is a lot of
coverage of software, again aimed at the newbie. They are also looking
for people to submit articles.  The first issue is on the website now.
Eric Jackson
   

Thanks for that link.  Looks just what I need to learn by doing projects.
Rosemary
 

One of the greatest means by which to learn is to attack your own linux
box. Do things with it. Turn it into a mail server. Turn it into a
webserver. A database server. Learn how to create backup scripts. Learn
how to play with crontab entries and do things on schedule. Create
simple scripts to do simple things. It's all good. Play with different
window managers and desktops. Play with themes. Learn about burning
different types of CD's. Ripping different kinds of CD's. Using
different media players - the list goes on. It's a great learning
experience and never be afraid to experiment.
   

To begin with I need to have some minor successes - even if they be by point 
and click'.  I want to use my system in ways that are appripriate to me - 
which are basic home user ways.  

Yes - I want to understand and be able to execute things in the CLI.  However 
it is going to take time for me to learn that.  Sorry if I am such a dumb 
kiwi who is only happy when has sheep backed against the fence.  Being a 
townie I have no idea what you refer to!

cheers
Rosemary
 

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roo's  never laughed so hard, so at least they are great 
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Re: [newbie] FAT question

H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
On Friday 18 March 2005 09:47, SnapafunFrank wrote:
 

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
   

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 

I've just got my hands on a 160 GB external USB hard disk.
Now, this thing comes preformatted with a FAT32 (vfat) file system.
When I unmount the thing I can't reformat the drive with a decent
file system like ReiserFS, JFS, ext2 or ext3 from be it the MCC or by
hand.  I can't even re-partition it with FAT32 ?
So here it goes :  will this FAT32 file system become fragmented over
time like any other Windows file system ?
If yes, how to defrag it ?
Or, will I have to move the FS to another drive back-and-forth in
order to defrag ?
TIA
Kaj Haulrich.
   

I deleted the wrong message, so this is not a direct reply to this
message, but to one later in the thread...  :-(
When you were trying to work with the drive, what device were you
giving fdisk? If you unmount the FAT partition first, you should be
able to use something like fdisk /dev/sda to get at the partition
table. If you can, then it is simple to change the drive to another
file system. If you are happy with it being one large partition, then
change the type (t) to 83 (ext2/3) and save (w) the updated partition
table.
Then run mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 to create an ext3 file system.
If you have any data on the drive you want to keep, BACK IT UP before
starting this.
Please keep in mind that the drive may not be /dev/sda and the
partition may not be /dev/sda1 - it depends on your system, and how
the drive was partitioned.
Mikkel
 

Just a newbie thought : Can you do as root :
# cat /etc/fstab | grep sd
And post it back here. Be sure the device is plugged in first.
TIA
   

Even easier: cat /dev/sd on the CML and hit TAB...that way you'll see 
what's there.
When inserting/plugging the device the specific /dev/sd* file gets made 
and also gets removed when unplugging.

Repeat after me:
TAB is my best on the command line..!;)
 

ONLY I SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO VIEW THE FSTAB ENTRY TO CHECK ITS OPTIONS!
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Re: [newbie] A question about RPMDrake

Robert T. Yu wrote:
Another question: when I su as root, does root
priveleges apply only within the terminal or the
operating system as a whole?
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Assuming you su'ed as root within a terminal then it's only within that 
terminal unless you run things from that command line.

eg:
# kwrite
would open kwrite with root privileges allowing you to edit files only 
available to root.

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Re: [newbie] Automount USB devices

2005-03-17 Thread SnapafunFrank

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 16:54, Charles Rodgers wrote:
 

Mr G,
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:44:05 -0500, you wrote:
   

Charles, Don't make the same mistake I did. If your camera has a
playback mode, you need to activate it and them your camera
should be detected.
I had this exact problem just the other day with a Canon
Powershot A85. As soon as it was in 'play' mode, everything
worked like a charm.
 

Yes, I remember your thread - I wish it was that simple :-)
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I'm certainly not the right person to answer this, but on the other 
hand I've been struggling with my USB devices since 10.1 and one 
thing I know for sure : you must have udev + udevd + magicdev 
running.  Possibly hotplug and devfsd as well.
 

Not udev and devfsd together - I'm doing a lot of learning on this 
subject and will get back to you when I have it sorted ~ thanks to 
Mikkel for getting me started.

I've never come to grips with this.U(seless) S(illy) B(ugger).
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Re: [newbie] USB Printer : HP 3550 Problem

2005-03-17 Thread SnapafunFrank

Roberto Ramsis wrote:
*Hello everyone*
I have MDK 10.0,it autodetected my usb printer HP deskjet 3550 so fine 
,but whenever i print: the printer never responds ,when i check the 
cups log it says these jobs have been completed though the printer 
never even tried to pull the paper.I checked the port it works fine 
and cups is running too.

Another thing i'm getting is some sort of a warning msg on boot ,cant 
read all of it but i GUESS it says

Warning : CUPS may not work properly.Couldnt mount loopback device to 
routing table!?

Thanks so much
Bye

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! 
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=31637/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ 

Just to start things off ~ within a new browser window type  
localhost:631  ( without the quotes ) and have a play in there. You 
usually sign in as  root  and you need the admin password to be able 
to configure things properly.

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Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6.11 upgrade.

2005-03-17 Thread SnapafunFrank

Smiley wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:00:58 +
Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Is there an automated process (Mandrake or otherwise) that
I can use that  will upgrade my kernel for me, or will I
have to do this manually by  compiling the new kernel ?
   

If a new kernel is out in a repository (official or
unofficial) you can install through urpmi or anyway the old
rpm way (rpm -ivh or using a graphical frontend); anyway,
the new kernel will be added and the old one will still be
installed unless you decide to do.
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And don't forget to include the kernel-source ~ you will need it for the 
driver .

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Re: [ml] [newbie] Strange host name

2005-03-16 Thread SnapafunFrank

et wrote:
On Monday 14 March 2005 06:01 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
 

On Monday 14 March 2005 02:51 pm, Dave Ashmore wrote:
   

Aron Smith wrote:
 

When booting up I got this message
host brian.cede.psu found
Checking the etc/host.allow
dosn't show that name
neither does
etc/host.deny
what's going on ?



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Maybe you have ntp installed and that is a time server?
 

now that you mention it there is mention of ntp on the start up screen
BTW any way to read them after startup?
   

cat /var/dmseg?  [ its dmesg not dmseg by the way. ]
 

NO.
Straight after startup do :
$ dmesg
or
$ dmesg  dmesg.txt  [ To print your dmesg to a text file within the 
directory you are in. ]

And if'n that doesn't work then try it as root.
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Re: [ml] [newbie] Strange host name

2005-03-16 Thread SnapafunFrank

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
SnapafunFrank wrote:
et wrote:
On Monday 14 March 2005 06:01 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
 

On Monday 14 March 2005 02:51 pm, Dave Ashmore wrote:
 

Aron Smith wrote:
   

When booting up I got this message
host brian.cede.psu found
Checking the etc/host.allow
dosn't show that name
neither does
etc/host.deny
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Maybe you have ntp installed and that is a time server?


now that you mention it there is mention of ntp on the start up screen
BTW any way to read them after startup?
  

cat /var/dmseg?  [ its dmesg not dmseg by the way. ]
 

NO.
Straight after startup do :
$ dmesg
or
$ dmesg  dmesg.txt  [ To print your dmesg to a text file within the 
directory you are in. ]

And if'n that doesn't work then try it as root.
Considering that this is done, with /var/log/dmesg as the output file, 
as part of the boot process, the first method should work.

Mikkel
True, but if you need to carry you findings within dmesg over another 
boot then saving the friendly output of dmesg as a separate file may be 
of help hence : $ dmesg  dmesg.txt

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Re: [newbie] devfs and udev

2005-03-15 Thread SnapafunFrank

Tom wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
SnapafunFrank wrote:
 
Thanks again Mikkel, it's going to take some absorbing on my part to 
understand what you have said above, so for now I need to do that 
and correct my system accordingly.

Will let you know how I get on. Oh, and thanks for the link.
One minor correction, I'm still using MDK10, though I don't think 
this effects things here too much.

I'm waiting to get my Athlon 64 FX together before going to MDK10.1 
as this old PIII system can only handle so much before it starts to 
get bogged down. This is the only issue I have at present ( pnp ) as 
the other things I need at present seem to be firing OK.

If you decide to share you endeavours once done then please include 
me in your notifications as I'm very interested in the outcome. For 
now, good sailing.

I can understand more of your troubles now - adding udev to 10.0 
instead of upgrading to 10.1. I am not sure how much of what I posted 
applies to what you are doing. In any case, it should be a learning 
experence on your part. As for may adventures, they will make it to 
the  The Mandrake Community Wiki site once I have them in shape to 
post. But if I keep getting other projects to work on, I may have to 
post it in parts, as a work in progress. The only bad part about that 
is that I may send people down a wrong path as I lear this myself...

Mikkel

   Here's what I posted to 'expert' ML a few days ago
  ...
  With an upgrade from a devfs system to one that uses udev ;
While running the new (udev) system
urpme devfs
urpmi udev
edit lilo.conf and remove _any_ devfs= statement. devfs=nomount is
  only valid if devfs is installed, an you need to remove devfs
  before installing udev

OK - I don't doubt anything you have said here except this one point MAYBE?
I have not seen a 'Blue Screen Of Death' since I left windows ! ~ that 
is until I rebooted after doing the above.

To get things back online I had to edit lilo and INCLUDE :  
devfs=nomount  to be able to start up as init5 again.

Sooo. my logic says that whatever the scripts are for booting my 
system, they contain therein the requirement to run devfs.

Though I uninstalled devfs, something else has to be reconfigured so as 
to amend the start up scripts.

Any idea what?
lilo
  in a term, su to root and run 'mcc'   Under System | Services, scoll 
down an make sure udev is running (if not start it), and that it is 
checked to start at boot.

Done, but you can be dbl-sure by running
# service udev status
udev is running  [  OK  ]
 BTW does anyone know where to find these parameters you can pass to 
the kernel at boot time  ?

You'll need source for the kernel installed, then you'll find
/usr/src/linux-2.6.11-2mdk/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
 ^^^  your kernel version is probly different
Give the whole file a thoro read.  All valid parameters and 
options for them are listed. EG, acpi=on  'on' is either an 
undocumented or invalid parameter option

acpi=   [HW,ACPI] Advanced Configuration and Power 
Interface
Format: { force | off | ht | strict }

 These are the only valid options for the parameter  acpi=
  ...

 Now if anything is added to the Community twiki (rather than the 
_real_ twiki  http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/wiki) it should emphatically 
note that it's only opinions an might be valid for past or current Mdk 
versions.  10.2 will add HAL, messagebus (dbus), an even 
gnome-volume-manager, more advanced kernels, et all into the mix that 
will mostly obsolete current an past advice an opinions.

IMO, the real twiki, the cooker ML archive, an Bugzilla are the 
best sources for accurate descriptions of problems, an possible 
solutions.

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Re: [newbie] devfs and udev

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
SnapafunFrank wrote:
The current actually working is that I can plug in a flash drive -
wait a moment - and the files become accessible to and from it. That
is sometimes! At other times I'm sure I'm doing damage because the
device appears to be unmounted and will not have the files seen, but
when I do mount it manually, root can see the files but user cannot,
making me think at times that I have wiped the flash drive. Further,
the Howto's I followed allowed me to have any device I plugged in
recognized for what it is within /mnt - but that has never worked
since the first reboot though all the files appear to be in place.
The very first time I tried to test my work, this actually did work,
and often whilst I was within that session.

( I used the
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Flash-Memory-HOWTO.html#linux-2.6

to install udev - it's quite conclusive.)

If you set up rules for udev to give specific names to USB devices, in
place of the names the kernel gives them, you will break the
automounting that hotplug does. You can create your own rules to
handle the mounting in place of the standard ones. This allows you to
control how things get mounted. For example, when you plug in a PNY
memory stick, you can have it get mounted on /mnt/pny instead
/dev/removable. (Don't ask for the full details yet - I am still
playing with this.
My link above may help ?
) You can get more specific, and do things like have 32MB sticks mount
one place, and 64MB mount in another. Basicly, you can test any of the
tags that udev know about, and build rules based on them.

While mounting specific memory devices in specific places may not be
real usuefull, when you start talking about USB hard drives, that is
another story. If you have more then one partition on the drive, then
current hotplug code will not mount it. Also, if you have requirments
that different partitions on the drive be mounted in specific places,
you can handle them this way. Maybe one partition needs to mount on
/backup, and another on /opt/pictures, or something like that.

Now, as far as users being able to access files on USB storage
devices, it depends on how you mount them. If you just do something like
mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable, then your users will not be able to
access the files. But if you do something like
mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable -o umask=0, then they will have access.

Using sda1 may not be the best choice in this example, as if you plug
in a USB PEN drive, and it uses the default device, it will get
automounted, but I think you get the idea. If you have udev set to
create something like /dev/pen and /dev/pen1, then use pen1 in place
of sda1, and it will work.

Mikkel
Thanks Mikkel
If you follow the above link you will be able to see what I did as I
followed it precisely.

And as I have said before, during that particular session it actually
worked exactly as explained in the above howto ~ that is until I got a
little carried away with changing all my usb memory sticks around
without waiting long enough for the system to catch up ~ end result - I
corrupted my .ICEauthority file and within rescue mode had to delete
that and start again with all my customizing. [ Still finding stuff that
needs to be updated because of this. ]

Anyway, your comments above make a lot of sense so I'm off to check
things out before posting this:

First up:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] frank]$ cat /etc/fstab
/dev/hda5 / ext2 defaults 1 1
/dev/hda1 /boot ext2 iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
/dev/hda8 /home ext2 defaults 0 0
#I added to following three lines but before the reboot they were the
last three entries here
#And now to try to get user able to at least read the device contents I
shall:
# - Comment out the next three entries
# - Copy the three entries below and edit them thus:
# - 1st go = same as for cdrom
#/udev/16MB1 /mnt/16MB vfat,ext2 user,noauto,rw 0 0
#/udev/64MB1 /mnt/64MB vfat,ext2 user,noauto,rw 0 0
#/udev/Camera1 /mnt/Camera vfat,ext2 user,noauto,rw 0 0
/udev/16MB1 /mnt/16MB auto umask=0,user,vfat,ext2,noauto,ro,exec 0 0
/udev/64MB1 /mnt/64MB auto umask=0,user,vfat,ext2,noauto,ro,exec 0 0
/udev/Camera1 /mnt/Camera auto umask=0,user,vfat,ext2,noauto,ro,exec 0 0
/udev/Works128MB1 /mnt/Works128MB vfat,ext2 user,noauto,rw 0 0
none /mnt/dvd-cd supermount
dev=/dev/hdd,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0
none /mnt/dvd-rw supermount
dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0
/dev/hda3 /mnt/empty ext2 defaults 1 2
none /mnt/floppy supermount
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850 0 0
/dev/hdb2 /mnt/hdb2_boot ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdb5 /mnt/hdb5_root ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdb6 /mnt/hdb6_var ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdb7 /mnt/hdb7_usr ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdb9 /mnt/hdb9_home ext2 defaults 1 2
#Commented out the following line to try to get usb

Re: [newbie] devfs and udev

SnapafunFrank wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
SnapafunFrank wrote:
The current actually working is that I can plug in a flash drive -
wait a moment - and the files become accessible to and from it.
That is sometimes! At other times I'm sure I'm doing damage because
the device appears to be unmounted and will not have the files seen,
but when I do mount it manually, root can see the files but user
cannot, making me think at times that I have wiped the flash drive.
Further, the Howto's I followed allowed me to have any device I
plugged in recognized for what it is within /mnt - but that has
never worked since the first reboot though all the files appear to
be in place. The very first time I tried to test my work, this
actually did work, and often whilst I was within that session.

( I used the
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Flash-Memory-HOWTO.html#linux-2.6

to install udev - it's quite conclusive.)

My link above may help ?
) You can get more specific, and do things like have 32MB sticks
mount one place, and 64MB mount in another. Basicly, you can test any
of the tags that udev know about, and build rules based on them.

Mikkel

Thanks Mikkel
If you follow the above link you will be able to see what I did as I
followed it precisely.

And as I have said before, during that particular session it actually
worked exactly as explained in the above howto ~ that is until I got a
little carried away with changing all my usb memory sticks around
without waiting long enough for the system to catch up ~ end result -
I corrupted my .ICEauthority file and within rescue mode had to delete
that and start again with all my customizing. [ Still finding stuff
that needs to be updated because of this. ]

Anyway, your comments above make a lot of sense so I'm off to check
things out before posting this:

First up:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] frank]$ cat /etc/fstab
/dev/hda5 / ext2 defaults 1 1
/dev/hda1 /boot ext2 iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
/dev/hda8 /home ext2 defaults 0 0
#I added to following three lines but before the reboot they were the
last three entries here
#And now to try to get user able to at least read the device contents
I shall:
# - Comment out the next three entries
# - Copy the three entries below and edit them thus:
# - 1st go = same as for cdrom
#/udev/16MB1 /mnt/16MB vfat,ext2 user,noauto,rw 0 0
#/udev/64MB1 /mnt/64MB vfat,ext2 user,noauto,rw 0 0
#/udev/Camera1 /mnt/Camera vfat,ext2 user,noauto,rw 0 0
/udev/16MB1 /mnt/16MB auto umask=0,user,vfat,ext2,noauto,ro,exec 0 0
/udev/64MB1 /mnt/64MB auto umask=0,user,vfat,ext2,noauto,ro,exec 0 0
/udev/Camera1 /mnt/Camera auto umask=0,user,vfat,ext2,noauto,ro,exec 0 0
/udev/Works128MB1 /mnt/Works128MB vfat,ext2 user,noauto,rw 0 0
none /mnt/dvd-cd supermount
dev=/dev/hdd,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0
none /mnt/dvd-rw supermount
dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0
/dev/hda3 /mnt/empty ext2 defaults 1 2
none /mnt/floppy supermount
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850 0 0
/dev/hdb2 /mnt/hdb2_boot ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdb5 /mnt/hdb5_root ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdb6 /mnt/hdb6_var ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdb7 /mnt/hdb7_usr ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdb9 /mnt/hdb9_home ext2 defaults 1 2
#Commented out the following

Re: [newbie] devfs and udev

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
SnapafunFrank wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
SnapafunFrank wrote:
The current actually working is that I can plug in a flash drive -
wait a moment - and the files become accessible to and from it.
That is sometimes! At other times I'm sure I'm doing damage because
the device appears to be unmounted and will not have the files
seen, but when I do mount it manually, root can see the files but
user cannot, making me think at times that I have wiped the flash
drive. Further, the Howto's I followed allowed me to have any
device I plugged in recognized for what it is within /mnt - but
that has never worked since the first reboot though all the files
appear to be in place. The very first time I tried to test my work,
this actually did work, and often whilst I was within that session.

( I used the
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Flash-Memory-HOWTO.html#linux-2.6

to install udev - it's quite conclusive.)

My link above may help ?

Well, it show me where you went wrong. I like
http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php#
better.

) You can get more specific, and do things like have 32MB sticks
mount one place, and 64MB mount in another. Basicly, you can test
any of the tags that udev know about, and build rules based on them.

While mounting specific memory devices in specific places may not be
real usuefull, when you start talking about USB hard drives, that is
another story. If you have more then one partition on the drive,
then current hotplug code will not mount it. Also, if you have
requirments that different partitions on the drive be mounted in
specific places, you can handle them this way. Maybe one partition
needs to mount on /backup, and another on /opt/pictures, or
something like that.

Now, as far as users being able to access files on USB storage
devices, it depends on how you mount them. If you just do something
like
mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable, then your users will not be able
to access the files. But if you do something like
mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable -o umask=0, then they will have
access.

Using sda1 may not be the best choice in this example, as if you
plug in a USB PEN drive, and it uses the default device, it will
get automounted, but I think you get the idea. If you have udev set
to create something like /dev/pen and /dev/pen1, then use pen1 in
place of sda1, and it will work.

Mikkel

Thanks Mikkel
If you follow the above link you will be able to see what I did as I
followed it precisely.

And as I have said before, during that particular session it actually
worked exactly as explained in the above howto ~ that is until I got
a little carried away with changing all my usb memory sticks around
without waiting long enough for the system to catch up ~ end result -
I corrupted my .ICEauthority file and within rescue mode had to
delete that and start again with all my customizing. [ Still finding
stuff that needs to be updated because of this. ]

Anyway, your comments above make a lot of sense so I'm off to check
things out before posting this:

First up:
[ snip ]---
OK. The USB devices are 16MB, 64MB, Works128MB whilst Camera1 is a
Flash card from the camera.
Each of them has noauto and three of them has ro whilst one has
rw.
So I need a lesson here : none of them have the -o option Mikkel
mentions ~ and what is the true meaning of noauto ?
For now I will only change the ro to rw.

As to the naming convention mentioned by Mikkel, I believe that is
done here:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] frank]$ cat /etc/udev/udev.rules
...snip...
.../snip...
# if this is a ide cdrom, name it the default name, and create a
symlink to cdrom
BUS=ide, KERNEL=*[!0-9], PROGRAM=/bin/cat /proc/ide/%k/media,
RESULT=cdrom, NAME=%k, SYMLINK=cdrom

# create a symlink named after the device map name
# note devmap_name comes with extras/multipath
KERNEL=dm-[0-9]*, PROGRAM=/sbin/devmap_name %M %m, NAME=%k,
SYMLINK=%c

# DRI devices always go into a subdirectory (as per the LSB spec)
KERNEL=card*, NAME=dri/card%n
# Flash Memory 16MB
BUS=scsi, SYSFS_vendor=M-Sys*, NAME=16MB%n
# Flash Memory 64MB
BUS=scsi, SYSFS_vendor=USB*, NAME=64MB%n
# Card Reader for MyCanonCamera
BUS=scsi, SYSFS_vendor=SIIG*, NAME=Camera%n
# Flash Memory Works 128MB
BUS=scsi, SYSFS_vendor=OTi*, NAME=Works128MB%n
...snip...
Hmmm I am concerned on two things here, first my system is not
mounting my flash drives

Re: [newbie] devfs and udev

frengoGorgia wrote:
Il lun, 2005-03-14 alle 11:23, SnapafunFrank ha scritto:
 

Er I tried reading man: fstab and that made no sense, searched for 
'fstab howto' and 'fstab samples' and only got  enter into fstab 
the following  so does anyone know of any online howto ~ 
explanations of the /etc/fstab file ?
   

try looking first to 
man mount

later to
http://www.linuxvoodoo.org/resources/howtos/mounting/
http://esm2.imt-mrs.fr/~staffelb/guide_linux/part1/fstab.html
http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugaccessfilesys.html
http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mount_MS_Windows_partitions_(FAT,NTFS)
 

For now, the following appear to be totally different and is tying me up 
in knots. What do you understand about the following two entries taken 
from /etc/fstab :

/udev/16MB1 /mnt/16MB auto umask=0,user,vfat,ext2,noauto,rw,exec 0 0
none /mnt/removable supermount 
dev=/dev/sda1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,nosuid,nodev,kudzu 
0 0

To me the file types are different syntax ~ which way is correct ? or 
better ? [ vfat,ext2,  or  fs=auto ( or as above fs=ext2:vfat ) ]
I thought that  none  meant that that dev was a swap partition ~ 
obviously not ~ need this explained.
   

none tells to mount command , to not read to a device(superblock
number) , which in swap  and supermount case is not needed to read.
 

Should I be using 'supermount' ?
If umask=0 sets things to 777 then why is user also included ?
And the real confusing one ~ In the same line of syntax I see 'auto' ~ 
'noauto' ~ 'exec' ? Should this not be 'auto' ~ 'noexec' and 'noauto' 
removed to allow PnP with Linux ?
   

first auto statement is related to filesystem-type stuff, 

noauto(auto) is a mount command parameter ,means that device will
not be mounted at boot time (or when mount -a is called) , but device  
only be mounted explicitly (on the command line for example)

noexec(exec) is a mount command parameter, Do  not  allow 
execution  of any binaries on the mounted file system.

 

Thanks frengoGorgia, very informative, I've got some reading to do.
Couple of questions to clear things a little:
If I want hotplug to work do I still use  none  and/or  supermount  ?
Am I correct in assuming that I must remove  noauto  if I expect the 
system to mount a device upon connecting the device, ( as in hotpluging )?
Again an assumption,  noexec  can be considered a security device 
because it would not allow autorun of inserted media, nor allow an user 
to use such ?

If the answers to these questions are within the links you have supplied 
then ignore these questions as I'm now off to read them.

Again, thanks, greatly appreciated.
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Re: [ml] [newbie] Strange host name

Aron Smith wrote:
On Monday 14 March 2005 02:51 pm, Dave Ashmore wrote:
 

Aron Smith wrote:
   

When booting up I got this message
host brian.cede.psu found
Checking the etc/host.allow
dosn't show that name
neither does
etc/host.deny
what's going on ?



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Maybe you have ntp installed and that is a time server?
   

now that you mention it there is mention of ntp on the start up screen
BTW any way to read them after startup?
 

In a terminal do:
# dmesg
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Re: [newbie] Unable to find dvd+rw-format executable

2005-03-13 Thread SnapafunFrank

Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 13 Mar 2005 02:35, SnapafunFrank wrote:
 

rikona wrote:
   

Hello SnapafunFrank,
Saturday, March 12, 2005, 3:21:26 PM, SnapafunFrank wrote:
S I switched back to the cheap ones and burned at speed = 1.0 and
S they then worked.
Did you ever try a compare or verify to make sure they actually have
good data?
 

To be honest - no ~ but the files themselves never opened no matter what
I tried, even though the full directory structures were in place and I
was able to move down through them to the files. Note: the files
themselves did show the correct file sizes when listed within konqueror
using list the detail mode.  and with the # ls -al command from konsole.
   

You need to be sure, if you are going to rely on this.  Check the permissions 
of the files.  If  necessary try to open them as root.  If you can't even do 
that the backup is pretty useless, I would have thought.

Anne
 

Thanks Anne but the above response says that I tossed the dvds I didn't 
trust. And like you have started to from now on, I'm checking the dvds 
before I consider them available for later recall.

AS to permissions, it seems that regardless of what I set or who I am 
when burning, the owner always comes back as root:root so I have to dig 
further to correct that one, though I know I set it within xcdroast 
initially.

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Re: [newbie] /etc/hosts

2005-03-13 Thread SnapafunFrank

Derek Jennings wrote:
On Sunday 13 March 2005 05:53, SnapafunFrank wrote:
 

Some time ago I got this working OK and only recently discovered that
the /etc/hosts file has been re-written ~ possible still more stuff left
over from the corruption of my .ICEauthority.
Here's what I posted to assist someone at the time in regards to OOo
opening slowly:
Quote:
mine reads:
127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain   localhost
127.0.0.1   Snapafun.localdomainlocalhost
127.0.0.1   www.snapafun.conSnapafun
127.0.0.1   www.snapafun.conlocalhost
Now that's somewhat overkill and needs a clean up but it works.
End Quote:
Since this time I have installed and have running at present ADSL via
eth0. [ Dynamic with my ISP ]
I seem to recall that another entry was required here for that ~ anyone
know what that is supposed to be ?
Hopefully this exercise will speed my system up to what it was before
the .ICEauthority corruption.
   

/etc/hosts has nothing to do with .ICEauthority
You do not need to add anything when you go to ADSL
The /etc/hosts file is simply a list to match host names to IP addresses.
You did not need 4 separate lines, you could have just put
127.0.0.1 alias1 alias2 alias3 alias4 alias5   and so on...
When you refer to a host name in for example a browser url, your computer will 
check to see if it is the hosts table before it bothers to ask a DNS server 
what the IP address of that host is.

So if you try to browse to http://www.snapafun.con  then your computer will 
immediately translate that as http://127.0.0.1

Thats all the /etc/hosts file does.
You would most commonly use the hosts table to identify the other computers in 
a small local network with static addressing.

derek
 

Thanks derek ~ in a nutshell and well understood ~ really simple really 
when it's explained like this ~ greatly appreciated.

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Re: [newbie] Unable to find dvd+rw-format executable

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
SnapafunFrank wrote:
Back again.
Everything seemed to burn OK and I can see the whole file structure 
when I mount the dvd disc.

However, I am unable to open any files. They are listed OK, but as 
user or root I cannot open them. I get the error message re:

An error occurred while loading file:/mnt/dvd-rw/Bash/HOWTO/Advanced 
Bash-Scripting HOWTO.html:
Could not read file /mnt/dvd-rw/Bash/HOWTO/Advanced Bash-Scripting 
HOWTO.html

It was the Could not read... bit that had me open konqueror 
from konsole as root, but the same result.

Any ideas anyone ?

It sounds like the directory structure is there, but not the data it 
points to. I don't know much about DVD writers, but I have run into 
this when burning CDs. Sometimes I can get around it by burning at a 
slower speed, but sometimes the only fix is to use a different brand 
of blank media. It shouldn't make a difference, but some drives like 
one brand of media better then another. And it may be the generic 
media that burns well, and the more expensive brand name media that 
fails.

I end up keeping a couple different brands of blank media here, 
because the burners I use don't agree on what media they like best.

Mikkel
Right : A bit of an update.
First, I agree with Mikkel's statement about disc brand. Some are to 
cheap and nasty to rely upon.

I switched brands and now have no problems filling up a dvd with xcdroast.
I switched back to the cheap ones and burned at speed = 1.0 and they 
then worked. However, I'm reluctant to trust them now with backups as I 
am not convinced that they will last. So. spend the buck and your 
burn won't suck ?  [ Sorry - could not resist.]

I have looked for a DVD backup howto and have not found anything suitable.
Could someone here point me in the right direction to find a direct way 
of backing up the current operating system only, and burning it directly 
to dvd ?

Traps I have discovered so far involve tar'ing things
( though this is OK I prefer not to tar things at present but look at 
splitting between dvds )
but when I :

#tar -cvzf /backup.tar.gz  /
the whole  /  partition AND all the mount points get backed up and 
this includes my slave drive, windows partition and another Mandrake 
installation from the past ~ some 60gigs worth. Something I'm not keen 
to do or try at this point.

I simply want to back up the current system with a view of formating and 
installing Mandrake10.1 onto a clean system. The dvd then could be used 
as a reference media .

And yes, I am interested in the tar way for normal system backups going 
directly to dvd for later use.

Also, selective or updated backup methods that involve simply updating 
the backup'ed files onto a dvd-rw. ( The  -  is intended here as this 
Sony 4.7GB DVD-RW is one that works for me faultlessly using xcdroast. )

Er enough for now me thinks.
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Re: [newbie] How to install Xaw3d?

Aron Smith wrote:
On Saturday 12 March 2005 03:26 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

O.k., Mikkel, you convinced me (however I don't dislike learning to compile
packages from source, in fact in future I'm thinking of getting into
Linux From Scratch)
   

Will be intrested in how you come out on this 

 

Linux from Scratch [ www.linuxfromscratch.org ] is something I myself 
would recommend for those new to Linux so do not take the following as 
anything other than a possible alternative.

In your case I suspect you are capable of digging a little into the 
Linux system so would suggest that a copy of LPIC would be more helpful. 
It is a great reference book in simple to understand language and though 
points towards certification, I am actually learning heaps using it.

So if you are leaning this way take a look here : 
http://www.examcram2.com/title/0789731274

Hoping this doesn't confuse.
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Re: [newbie] Unable to find dvd+rw-format executable

rikona wrote:
Hello SnapafunFrank,
Saturday, March 12, 2005, 3:21:26 PM, SnapafunFrank wrote:
S I switched back to the cheap ones and burned at speed = 1.0 and
S they then worked.
Did you ever try a compare or verify to make sure they actually have
good data?
 

To be honest - no ~ but the files themselves never opened no matter what 
I tried, even though the full directory structures were in place and I 
was able to move down through them to the files. Note: the files 
themselves did show the correct file sizes when listed within konqueror 
using list the detail mode.  and with the # ls -al command from konsole.

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Re: [newbie] How to install Xaw3d?

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

Rodolfo,
You should realy find the development package for the Xaw3d library.
To compile the package yourself, you will need to install a LOT more
source. Basicly, you need the X source. You also need more help then I
can give you to do it that way. While it would be a good learning
experence, it probably isn't one you are ready for yet. (I am not
sure I
am ready for it, and I have a fair amount of experence building from
source.)

O.k., Mikkel, you convinced me (however I don't dislike learning to
compile
packages from source, in fact in future I'm thinking of getting into
Linux From Scratch).
From
http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/mandrake/10.1/i586/media/main/libXaw3d7-devel-1.5-13mdk.i586.html

I downloaded libXaw3d7-devel-1.5-13mdk.i586.rpm,
copied into ~/tmp and there did:
# rpm -i libXaw3d7-devel-1.5-13mdk.i586.rpm
. Now, when I run `$ ./configure'
from Emacs CVS source dir, there are all `yes':
Does Emacs use -lXaw3d? yes
Does Emacs use -lXpm? yes
Does Emacs use -ljpeg? yes
Does Emacs use -ltiff? yes
Does Emacs use -lungif? yes
Does Emacs use -lpng? yes
Does Emacs use X toolkit scroll bars? yes
. Your help was important as usual. Thanks.
Rodolfo
P.S.: What do you think about Linux from Scratch?
I am glad I could help. It is how I give something back...
While I think it is a good thing to learn to compile packages
yourself, and build your own RPMs, I also think it is a good idea to
start with smaller packages, and work your way up. Trying to learn too
many different things at once can be a real headache.

When installing RPMs, it does not matter where the file is when you
run install. The directories rpm uses for temp files, and such are
determined by the system configuration of rpm. (The exception to this
is source RPMs installed by the user - the user's configuration file
overrides the system settings.) So you could have installed from the
download directory.

Linux from Scratch looks like fun. I wish I had the time to play with
it. But right now, most of my spare time is devoted to learning the
ins and outs of Mandrake. I have a lot of things to learn yet,
especially with the changes in 10.1 and mastering udev. But I think my
next project will be trying to solve how I locked up the USB subsystem
on this box. If I run lsusb, it just locks up right now... :-(

Mikkel
I'm struggling with udev also in that I have got it working at times but
something is making it unreliable. I suspect that devfs is still in
there somewhere and I have learnt elsewhere that udev and devfs do not
work side by side. Let us know how you succeed as I'm sure you will.

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[newbie] keyboard numbers no go

Have got a strange thing happening recently that no amount of MCC use 
seems to fix.

Basically, though the Num Lock LED is lit, I am unable to use the number 
pad part of the keyboard ~ it did once work fine with this distro.

The odd key here activates my system when in this stat (eg. the 5 key 
sometimes acts like a right click over the active window and the 0 key 
activates the Edit drop down menu ) all the while whilst the Num Lock 
LED is shinning bright.

The only two keyboard layouts available to me are US English and US 
International ( something I have never had to play with ) but switching 
between these two and leaving them set until the next reboot ( I need to 
save power here ) makes no difference.

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[newbie] devfs and udev

I understand that devfs and udev ought not be running at the same time,
but how do I stop devfs ?

Within MCC I have stopped devfsd and unchecked it re boot up at start
up, but still it runs.

Question: I'm not even sure if devfsd and devfs are the same thing ~
anyone ?

Here's what I see using:
$ top
...snip...
214 root 15 0 1872 624 1424 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.99 devfsd
282 root 6 -10800 12 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.07 udevd
...snip...
Are all the above statements correct ?
If so, then how do I turn devfs off and have it stay off through reboots
? ( It must be a simple edit of some file but I'm unaware of which one.)

And of course the 'insight' question. Any ideas of the effect of leaving
devfs turned off ?

The current actually working is that I can plug in a flash drive - wait
a moment - and the files become accessible to and from it. That is
sometimes! At other times I'm sure I'm doing damage because the device
appears to be unmounted and will not have the files seen, but when I do
mount it manually, root can see the files but user cannot, making me
think at times that I have wiped the flash drive. Further, the Howto's I
followed allowed me to have any device I plugged in recognized for what
it is within /mnt - but that has never worked since the first reboot
though all the files appear to be in place. The very first time I tried
to test my work, this actually did work, and often whilst I was within
that session.

( I used the
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Flash-Memory-HOWTO.html#linux-2.6

to install udev - it's quite conclusive.)
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[newbie] /etc/hosts

Some time ago I got this working OK and only recently discovered that 
the /etc/hosts file has been re-written ~ possible still more stuff left 
over from the corruption of my .ICEauthority.

Here's what I posted to assist someone at the time in regards to OOo 
opening slowly:

Quote:
mine reads:
127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain   localhost
127.0.0.1   Snapafun.localdomainlocalhost
127.0.0.1   www.snapafun.conSnapafun
127.0.0.1   www.snapafun.conlocalhost
Now that's somewhat overkill and needs a clean up but it works.
End Quote:
Since this time I have installed and have running at present ADSL via 
eth0. [ Dynamic with my ISP ]

I seem to recall that another entry was required here for that ~ anyone 
know what that is supposed to be ?

Hopefully this exercise will speed my system up to what it was before 
the .ICEauthority corruption.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi database blocked

2005-03-11 Thread SnapafunFrank

Aron Smith wrote:
On Thursday 10 March 2005 10:56 pm, Tahir Abdullah wrote:
 

Thanks Aron
When I tried to follow the three steps on the web-site following error
comes urpmi database locked
WHat is this problem.
   

a reboot will fix this (inelegent  and there is probably a better way)
 

The second problem is whenever I send mail from my  hotmail. It goes twice
How can I fix it?
   

best solution is to not use hotmail
but  leaving the reply to field blank usually works
 

I appreciate any guidance.
Thanks
Tahir
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Hotmail's great for sending photos. Click here to find out more:
http://www.imagine-msn.com/Hotmail/Post/Communicate/SendEmail.aspx
   

 

urpmi will be locked if it is in use ~ possibly still trying to contact 
one of your media sites which is not responding.

Google ( I prefer www.vivisimo.com ) for urpmi.unlock and install it ~ 
you may already have it ~ try 'urpmi.unlock' at the root prompt.

If not you may need to manually download it and install it using rpm -Uvh .
Unless you are doing a kernel rebuild there is no need to reboot your 
system ~ you will learn more by fixing such problems by working through 
them and you'll find that there are many here that will always assist, 
especially is you give details to your problems.

Hope this helps.
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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 09 Mar 2005 08:06, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 

On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:40, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
   

Hi all,
I tried to make an article using Scribus. First I typed the article in
text editor, then copy paste it in scribus. The article is kind of longer
than 1 page, so the rest of the article isn't visible. The second page is
blank.
Can I make scribus to automatically put the rest of the article in the
second page?
Thanks.
 

No, you can't. You can resize the frame to fit your single page...which' ll
make your fonts smaller (or flatter) or split the text over 2 frames.
   

That's a serious problem, IMO.  There is a real need for the ability to link 
frames and enable flow between them.  Perhaps subscribing to the Scribus 
mailing list would be in order - there may be others working around this and 
requesting improvements.

Scribus is so promising, and I understand that it is a rapidly developing 
project, so maybe this is on the way.

Anne
 

Back again.
Everything seemed to burn OK and I can see the whole file structure when 
I mount the dvd disc.

However, I am unable to open any files. They are listed OK, but as user 
or root I cannot open them. I get the error message re:

An error occurred while loading file:/mnt/dvd-rw/Bash/HOWTO/Advanced 
Bash-Scripting HOWTO.html:
Could not read file /mnt/dvd-rw/Bash/HOWTO/Advanced Bash-Scripting 
HOWTO.html

It was the Could not read... bit that had me open konqueror from 
konsole as root, but the same result.

Any ideas anyone ?
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Re: [newbie] file size limit

Duncan Anderson wrote:
Trygve Seljeflot wrote:
I'm usin fish in Konqueror, smaller files is no problem.
 

OK, well I think that uses scp. Try using the command line. At a bash 
prompt, try setting the ulimit:

ulimit -f unlimited
Then use scp, or run konqueror from the shell prompt.
I think that should work. (I stand to be corrected, though.)
I wonder if KDE imposes some limits?
I'm running kde and the limit is unlimited ~ so not kde.
I don't use it. I use WindowMaker.
cheers
Duncan


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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

SnapafunFrank wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 09 Mar 2005 08:06, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 

On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:40, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
  

Hi all,
I tried to make an article using Scribus. First I typed the article in
text editor, then copy paste it in scribus. The article is kind of 
longer
than 1 page, so the rest of the article isn't visible. The second 
page is
blank.

Can I make scribus to automatically put the rest of the article in the
second page?
Thanks.

No, you can't. You can resize the frame to fit your single 
page...which' ll
make your fonts smaller (or flatter) or split the text over 2 frames.
  

That's a serious problem, IMO.  There is a real need for the ability 
to link frames and enable flow between them.  Perhaps subscribing to 
the Scribus mailing list would be in order - there may be others 
working around this and requesting improvements.

Scribus is so promising, and I understand that it is a rapidly 
developing project, so maybe this is on the way.

Anne
 

Back again.
Everything seemed to burn OK and I can see the whole file structure 
when I mount the dvd disc.

However, I am unable to open any files. They are listed OK, but as 
user or root I cannot open them. I get the error message re:

An error occurred while loading file:/mnt/dvd-rw/Bash/HOWTO/Advanced 
Bash-Scripting HOWTO.html:
Could not read file /mnt/dvd-rw/Bash/HOWTO/Advanced Bash-Scripting 
HOWTO.html

It was the Could not read... bit that had me open konqueror from 
konsole as root, but the same result.

Any ideas anyone ?
My sincere apologies ~ left clicked wrong thread ~ will transfer this to 
the correct thread.

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Regards
SnapafunFrank
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Re: [newbie] Unable to find dvd+rw-format executable