Re: [AsburyPark] An Idea for AP
God knows we would have enough canvasses to go around :) On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:51 AM, dfsavgny wrote: Interesting idea. Let artists decorate construction site barriers. I am sure a lot of local artists in AP would be interested and it could be an attraction in and of itself. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/nyregion/13sheds.html?ref=nyregion
Re: [AsburyPark] Mall News....
I wonder if Asbury Partners will ever use the Paramount for regular films again or were they doing that just to show that the Baronet wasn't needed? I agree with you that a downtown movie theater would be great. Just look at how much traffic the Bradley Beach theater gets each week. On Nov 9, 2007, at 9:11 PM, charlie wrote: Open/fix the movie theatre in the downtown and i think you'd be set for awhile. That would be something major that people would flock to. Walk around and find places either before or after. One day i suspect someone will come along and take on the challange. One day. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras
I haven't been mugged or victim of a violent crime myself (been coming to Asbury since '76 or so) but I have had the pleasant experience of having several bottles thrown at my car by a group of kids on a street corner one night within the last two years. Might not sound like much but at the time it looked like I might have turned down a street owned by a gang with the way they were coming after me. And I don't care who you are if it looks like a gang of 7-8 people are approaching you and you're alone, it's a nervous situation. Other than that just the normal stuff of being asked for money by a lot of different panhandlers. That gets annoying after a while and considering most of us see the same people doing it day in and day out, it does make me wonder why they're allowed to keep doing it in AP. I don't think the posters are wrong to want Asbury Park to be a better or cleaner place. Considering that not too much (other than Cookman Ave returning) has changed in the last 30 years, I'd say the status quo isn't working. On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:42 PM, evosap wrote: i'd have to see some research on that. i am not against the surveillance cameras, but i think people on this list are a little obsessed. and fearful to the point of paranoia. i feel like i live in a different town when i read what is written here. i ride my bike all over the place, at night i feel like i live in a jersey paradise, great trees, cool buildings and of course the beach.. i would like to hear from one person on this list who has been a victim of a violent crime in AP...doesn't count if you were buying drugs or ass! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember one thing nine times out of ten you have to go to the little people to get the big people Sometimes the petty things turn into something big. - Original Message From: evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:16:24 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras If only you guys were into watching the terry weldons as opposed to petty crime! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Be happy AP is what it is and not
But some parts of Camden look remarkably better now than anytime else in my life. Take the area around Rutgers Camden - it's got new sidewalks, new buildings, and actually looks safe. I was amazed when I went back a few months ago for the first time in about a decade. Problem is that there's still a lot of places that look horrible and look very unsafe. On Oct 23, 2007, at 10:03 AM, oakdorf wrote: Camden. Where I wound up yesterday afternoon. I was going to continue sightseeing, by I didn't feel that comfortable without a 4x4 to run if I had to. It's actually come along way. We've put man on the moon. Mars is next. Talk about great buildings. I fell in love with an original Sears Retail Store http://www.ruggieriandpartners.com/graphics/portfolio_sears.jpg Then I found this: 4th suit filed to block demolition of Sears building A fourth lawsuit was filed yesterday to stop demolition of the Sears, Roebuck Co. building on Admiral Wilson Boulevard in Camden. The suit was filed in Camden County Superior Court by Standard Merchandise Co. and Mark Tarnoff Associates, a business on Wright Avenue within blocks of the proposed demolition site. Campbell Soup Co., which still has headquarters in Camden, has proposed razing the historic building to make way for expansion into a new office building. Campbell plans also call for building a commercial office complex that would be visible just off Admiral Wilson Boulevard. Campbell officials have said they would consider leaving Camden if the Sears demolition is not approved. In May the Dr. Denim firm, a national retail-clothing chain, sued Gateway L.L.C. in state chancery court to force the current owner of the building to sell to Dr. Denim. Later in May, the Historic Preservation Commission voted unanimously against razing the building. A lawsuit filed by activist Frank Fulbrook complained that the city planning board's approval was invalid. Following that suit, the state Historic Site Council voted 5- 1 against demolition. Dr. Denim later filed a legal challenge to the validity of a city planning board vote for demolition. Standard Merchandise and Tarnoff Associates, a clothing manufacturer, alleged in the suit yesterday that the planning board's resolution of support for demolition was inadequate and deficient in facts and conclusions to approve demolition.- Dwight Ott
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: On Homeless, Homosexuals, and the divide in Asbury Park
Why don't they do a little work and place the homeless in the old Lowe's by the Seaview Square Mall? That's the building that had some problems with the ground and has been empty for the past few years. It's big enough to turn into some sort of shelter for hundreds I'd imagine. It'll cost a fortune to tear down the building. It might be cheaper to utilize it for the public good. On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:13 AM, oakdorf wrote: ...actaully, the county is overwhelmed with people who need housing assistance. Yep, right here in America. Monmouth County. There's simply no place to put the homeless. That is, unless you drive through Eatontown/Tinton Falls, where the government spent probably around $100 million fixing up the apartments off hope road (howard commons and whatever else they're called) and then decided not to house anyone there. Hundreds of units have already been torn down. But you know why? Because the towns were afraid that these nie new apartments would become homes to low or no income people. At least that's what I read. Drive down there, there are hundreds of apartments there. So Mr. Brown, The rescue mission and whomever else wants to help, should pick up the phone and call Mr. Kean and ask if they can place some homeless people in these nice, new government fixed up aprtments that have sat empty for a few years now. Problem. Solved even if temporary until these people get back on their feet. These people is alot of families that are simply just stuck for one reason or another, not just druggies, ex cons, alcs etc. Howard Commons.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New businesses
How dare you leave off bread, beer and sausages0 Wegman's actually is the only place in the area where I've found good German breads and sausages... On Oct 12, 2007, at 1:19 PM, dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a good German Deli/Market. Cold cuts, cheese, mustard, bread, mmm Werner The germans only know about potato salad and liverwurst ;-)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New businesses
I'd be into that. Unfortunately German delis just don't seem to do well around here. The last in the area that I knew about was in the Kmart Plaza in Wall. They only lasted a few years if that. BTW, I finally had the chance to go to that wonderful German restaurant not far from Charlottsville, Virginia last week. Passed it every year for the last 15 years or so, but finally had dinner there. Really nice place. I think it's called Bavarian Chef. That place, along with a German restaurant in Hershey, PA have been my favorites in the states. Schneider's is good locally, but it pains me to have a German restaurant without good German beer on tap :) On Oct 12, 2007, at 11:04 AM, wernerapnj wrote: How about a good German Deli/Market. Cold cuts, cheese, mustard, bread, mmm Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good? Are you serious? More Italian? As if we don't have enough Italian at the Jersey Shore. If another italian restaurant opens around here I'm going to wack myself! A plasma TV business? Very cutting edge. Perfect for all the rich folk. A building construction supply co? Come on. And a clothing store? That might be OK but we'll wait and see. I'm really not sure Asbury is moving in the right direction. Very sad that people like Mario are excited about the following new ordinary businesses. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: Sounds good. Anyone have additional details? Dean and DeLuca? Faccio's? Balducci's born again? Nino's or Sal's Deli models also great models. Four new businesses are coming to Asbury Park: a new clothing store (dresses), a construction supply company, an audio/visual design and instillation business, and an Italian market. Stay tuned! From: Greetings from Asbury Park: They keep telling me that summer's over but I just can't let go yet. For some reason, Mother Nature also doesn't want it to end. OK, I submit. It's raining and 64. This was just the best summer. Wait till next year! The city is hosting its annual fall citywide cleanup this Saturday from 9 AM to 1 PM. Meet at the City Hall Council Chambers. Call Lori Ross at 732.502.5727 or Rosetta Johnson at 732.502.4584 for details. On Saturday, the Asbury Park Citizens on Patrol will hold a Flea Market from 9 AM to 4 PM in Sunset Park. This is a fundraiser for the organization and proceeds will assist the volunteer group to buy equipment and supplies. This is a great group of men and women who provide a very valuable service to the city. Call Asbury Park Detective Connie Breech at 732.502.5777 or Lawson June at 732.988.3269 for info. Rain date is Oct. 20th. Although only five years old, this weekend marks another of Asbury Park's fun and important traditions: The 5th Annual Asbury Park Mayor's Ball; The Children Are Our Future. This fundraiser supports Mayor Kevin Sanders' initiative for education, arts and recreation for the youth of Asbury Park. The gala takes place on Saturday evening at the Berkeley Hotel. This is a time to dress up, raise some money, have fun but most importantly, provide opportunities for a very talented and wonderful group of young city residents. These children are our future and the future looks very bright! Stay tuned! Our new mounted police patrol was introduced at First Saturday last weekend and was a major hit. The city earned major press and radio coverage. The horses are named Bold Ruler and Guinness and are quite the sight trotting down the street. They wear special studded horseshoes so they don't slip on the payment. Both horses were donated and live at a private farm in Wall Township at no cost to the city. A very special thanks to the Newark Police Department who trained the horses and officers. Wilbur! Speaking of major coverage, I hope you all caught Bruce Springsteen's interview on 60 Minutes last Sunday. There was major footage of the E Street Band's rehearsals and the concerts that took place in Convention Hall. I've spent a great deal of time listening to the new CD (not an album - I'm making progress) and personally think this is some of Bruce's best work. I got a coin in my palm, I can make it disappear. - Magic! We all know Asbury Park is a magnet for artists and two authors are on the radar this month. Stephen Crane who lived in the city on Fourth Avenue is the subject of a fascinating documentary, Greetings from Stephen Crane: The Asbury Tales, being filmed and produced by Susan Pellegrini. I met Susan a couple of weeks ago and she is one talented filmmaker. Patti and I witnessed Susan in action, as her camera captured the final day celebration at the Wonder Bar. The Red Gala a launch party to introduce Susan and the project will be held Oct. 20th. To get more details about the launch party call
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New businesses
I'm not sure, but I think it's been there for a very long time. On Oct 12, 2007, at 2:18 PM, rook782 wrote: What the name of the one in Hershey, I go there sometimes? -- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That place, along with a German restaurant in Hershey, PA have been my favorites in the states.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Transparency
Hasn't Jewell Marketing had an office in Asbury Park for several years? Maybe that's how (or why) they were chosen. On Oct 11, 2007, at 9:35 AM, rook782 wrote: I went to Jewell Marketings website. I think I found out why the idea of a hundred banjo players was marketed for the Apple Festival. Mr. Jewell teaches banjos. Not only are we paying them for marketing, were paying for them to have a banjo bash. One last note, Jewell Marketing is from Fair Haven. Gilmour is a council member from there or was one. Is that how we pick talent? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here is a stupid idea, lets have no more bs events, chef puff, no cake,unattended arts festival, apple festival attended because it was on a saturday night on cookman, great event for the kids, not!!! dec 15th winter carnival, what is this going to be 110 santa clauses looking at the lights and trees put up every year? talk about a waste of money this series was the biggest rip off going, one day we should all get an acounting of who made what and what the city actually got for these half ass events, my take without the facts, just made a couple of people tons of money, if im wrong someone please supply this group with the costs etc. and i will apologize, lets stop the crap and use this money for the cameras, if not this year then budget the money were going to save, by not having these events and buy the cameras out of nest years budget, again i wish someone perhaps councilman keady who posts here will ask for and give us the costs of these events, thank you
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review
Hinge, You're far from alone in hating it. Success or not, many people think it's extremely ugly and sterile - especially for something right next to the beach. On Oct 11, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Hinge wrote: I guess it's a matter of taste. I hate it with a passion. I gave it a chance, but I still think it's horrible. And your comment about it being a destination illustrates a point close to my heart. In my opinion, living in a culture where a horrible piece of architecture becomes a destination saddens me. There's plenty of boardwalk to walk on without an overwhelming ugly building to look at. And Long Branch has plenty of good restaraunts to eat at that existed long before Pier Village. In my opinion, our consumer driven culture presents the wrong values. I will never view a shopping center as a destination. But that's just me. I have enough stuff. I don't feel the need to shop when i'm bored. I think this says alot about American values. And it bums me out. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier Village is a destination. People go to grab dinner, walk, shop etc. The design is not perfect however it draws in people, a lot of people. Hard to say that about what was there before. Allied created a successful place out of a ruin. You man not agree with retail on the water however, I find it hard to say it was the worst thing to happen. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:28:17 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Old Man Rafferty's - My review So, last night I went to Old Man Rafferty's for the first time. I loved it. The decore is dark and elegant, and the staff was really friendly. Not overly friendly, friendly with dignity. Seating was comfortable, and the view of Cookman was cool. The food was really good. Great menu, interesting selections. We had fried Calamari as an appetizer, which was just right for 4 people. My main course was Hanger Steak, and it was a winner. Cooked to perfection. For dessert, Dulche de Leche cheesecake. This was also excellent. Thumbs up for me. My 3 friends (my band actually) loved it too. Afterwards I took them for a walk around the area and they loved it. Interestingly, they all began making comparisons to Long Branch and Red Bank. I said nothing. They all lamented the changes on Broadway in LB, and all three agreed that while Red Bank looks nice on the surface, the vibe there is too snooty, the restaraunts too expensive, and the lack of parking annoying. When the conversation turned to Pier Village, I chimed in a bit, and we all agreed that it's the worst thing to happen to LB in a long long time. __ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYC Big Time PR
Don't forget that for years malls were the coolest thing, but plenty of towns are moving back to the downtown approach now. There are many malls around the country that are closing or becoming different than they once were (see Seaview Square as a local example). The idea of things like Pier Village may be destination bound, but it also could be a fad like the malls were. And as far as people leaving New Jersey, I wonder if that takes account for all of the immigrants moving into the state because it just might balance things out. After a short trip back to Virginia, I can say that from VA to NJ everything is starting to look the same. There are chain restaurants, mini-outdoor malls, and everything wherever you go. New Jersey is not the only place losing an identity. The major chains are on a mission to remove local identity from the country and they are largely succeeding. So, why are these people leaving to? I'd say for lower mortgages. Outside our borders doesn't really offer more or look different than Jersey - just may be a little cheaper, that's all. On Oct 11, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Hinge wrote: See, it's a matter of taste. Maybe I'm too old school to assimilate to things like Pier Village. All I can say is that of course some people will flock to something like that, because it's all they know anymore. But compared to a earlier time in our culture, Pier Village is an abomination. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that it's attractive in any way. I find it sad that the next few generations will accept our strip mall culture and things like Pier Village as the best our culture can offer. But that's just me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: October 11, 2007 City's Virtues to Be Sold in New Global Ad Campaign By PATRICK McGEEHAN I worked on Madison ave for a short period next NYC Comp offices. Pier Village created a destination. How many times has my daughter hit me up or blown her paycheck at Pier - Greek to me, Sawa, Nirvanna or Jenna Molly or michael angleos...for the new kids, Pier V is hot. They are waiting for AP to lure them in, other then the Pony. Does the downtown bring in the 16-20 year olds? No - at least what I see. There is no draw for them. So will they be drawn here 4 years, 7 or 10 years from now - when things may be more built up??
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review
You're right Allan, it'll definitely appeal to certain groups because it's a safe location. I doubt it brings many to other points in Long Branch though. They've kind of created their own little suburb within the town. On Oct 11, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Allan Peterson wrote: All have the right to their opinion. I just do find it fair to say it was the worst thing to happen when every retail store is filled and on a Saturday night in the summer, the place is packed. I am not saying I love the architecture but the developer took a chance and created a safe venue. And the city of Long Branch is collecting on it. - Original Message From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:45:00 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review Hinge, You're far from alone in hating it. Success or not, many people think it's extremely ugly and sterile - especially for something right next to the beach. On Oct 11, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Hinge wrote: I guess it's a matter of taste. I hate it with a passion. I gave it a chance, but I still think it's horrible. And your comment about it being a destination illustrates a point close to my heart. In my opinion, living in a culture where a horrible piece of architecture becomes a destination saddens me. There's plenty of boardwalk to walk on without an overwhelming ugly building to look at. And Long Branch has plenty of good restaraunts to eat at that existed long before Pier Village. In my opinion, our consumer driven culture presents the wrong values. I will never view a shopping center as a destination. But that's just me. I have enough stuff. I don't feel the need to shop when i'm bored. I think this says alot about American values. And it bums me out. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier Village is a destination. People go to grab dinner, walk, shop etc. The design is not perfect however it draws in people, a lot of people. Hard to say that about what was there before. Allied created a successful place out of a ruin. You man not agree with retail on the water however, I find it hard to say it was the worst thing to happen. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:28:17 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Old Man Rafferty's - My review So, last night I went to Old Man Rafferty's for the first time. I loved it. The decore is dark and elegant, and the staff was really friendly. Not overly friendly, friendly with dignity. Seating was comfortable, and the view of Cookman was cool. The food was really good. Great menu, interesting selections. We had fried Calamari as an appetizer, which was just right for 4 people. My main course was Hanger Steak, and it was a winner. Cooked to perfection. For dessert, Dulche de Leche cheesecake. This was also excellent. Thumbs up for me. My 3 friends (my band actually) loved it too. Afterwards I took them for a walk around the area and they loved it. Interestingly, they all began making comparisons to Long Branch and Red Bank. I said nothing. They all lamented the changes on Broadway in LB, and all three agreed that while Red Bank looks nice on the surface, the vibe there is too snooty, the restaraunts too expensive, and the lack of parking annoying. When the conversation turned to Pier Village, I chimed in a bit, and we all agreed that it's the worst thing to happen to LB in a long long time. __ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review
Hinge, I wonder if the majority of arts related people all feel the same way about Pier Village. My friends hate it as well. Of course, I also remember the old Long Branch boardwalk and stuff. I know that plays a role in how I feel about Pier Village, but mainly it's the fact that I think it's horribly ugly. On Oct 11, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Hinge wrote: It's my opinion Allan, and I have friends who share the same opinion. That's the bottom line. It might not be the popular opinion, but I'm not going to keep my thoughts to myself when I have one. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All have the right to their opinion. I just do find it fair to say it was the worst thing to happen when every retail store is filled and on a Saturday night in the summer, the place is packed. I am not saying I love the architecture but the developer took a chance and created a safe venue. And the city of Long Branch is collecting on it. - Original Message From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:45:00 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Old Man Rafferty's - My review Hinge, You're far from alone in hating it. Success or not, many people think it's extremely ugly and sterile - especially for something right next to the beach. On Oct 11, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Hinge wrote: I guess it's a matter of taste. I hate it with a passion. I gave it a chance, but I still think it's horrible. And your comment about it being a destination illustrates a point close to my heart. In my opinion, living in a culture where a horrible piece of architecture becomes a destination saddens me. There's plenty of boardwalk to walk on without an overwhelming ugly building to look at. And Long Branch has plenty of good restaraunts to eat at that existed long before Pier Village. In my opinion, our consumer driven culture presents the wrong values. I will never view a shopping center as a destination. But that's just me. I have enough stuff. I don't feel the need to shop when i'm bored. I think this says alot about American values. And it bums me out. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: Pier Village is a destination. People go to grab dinner, walk, shop etc. The design is not perfect however it draws in people, a lot of people. Hard to say that about what was there before. Allied created a successful place out of a ruin. You man not agree with retail on the water however, I find it hard to say it was the worst thing to happen. - Original Message From: Hinge hinge98@ To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:28:17 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Old Man Rafferty's - My review So, last night I went to Old Man Rafferty's for the first time. I loved it. The decore is dark and elegant, and the staff was really friendly. Not overly friendly, friendly with dignity. Seating was comfortable, and the view of Cookman was cool. The food was really good. Great menu, interesting selections. We had fried Calamari as an appetizer, which was just right for 4 people. My main course was Hanger Steak, and it was a winner. Cooked to perfection. For dessert, Dulche de Leche cheesecake. This was also excellent. Thumbs up for me. My 3 friends (my band actually) loved it too. Afterwards I took them for a walk around the area and they loved it. Interestingly, they all began making comparisons to Long Branch and Red Bank. I said nothing. They all lamented the changes on Broadway in LB, and all three agreed that while Red Bank looks nice on the surface, the vibe there is too snooty, the restaraunts too expensive, and the lack of parking annoying. When the conversation turned to Pier Village, I chimed in a bit, and we all agreed that it's the worst thing to happen to LB in a long long time. __ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 __ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
Tommy, The idea that Bruce was wrong on the radio station issue is up to you. For me, he was dead on. The boycott was led by Clear Channel - not individual radio station owners. Clear Channel owned the main stations in just about every market in the country so no you really couldn't just change the channel. He was going after the BIG PICTURE of corporate ownership of radio rather than just the BIG PICTURE of censorship. This wasn't censorship on a local level, it was showing how a huge corporation could censor the entire country. Bruce was right. On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote: I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience on politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by switching over. Also - he is a hypocrite. He is bigger than us, so he gets to speak to that wide audience. The radio stations are bigger than the Dixie Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting them. You seem to be a fair guy Jack. You have to admit Bruce was a hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But why? Do you even know what he's saying? Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying something you disagree with? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this group to this Bruce discussion as it relates to what you call microphone abuse I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me look like a hypocrite. When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him pontificate for 3 hours about politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you also get classic songs and lot's of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's not all politics. Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with what's going on in our country? To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding your head in the sand. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND PRACTICE LAW!! I'd defend you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions. It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard Stern. You have a choice...listen, or tune away. The difference is that Bruce and others like him commit microphone abuse. There are people on this board that study and follow politics more closely than he does. The problems is we can't gather a wide audience. Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. Then he abuses that by talking politics, not music. He has nothing more important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to get his thoughts stated widely. He's also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio station owners who boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station owners have free speech rights? You can always change the station, right? Don't
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:35 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So in your view famous people don't get the same rights as everyone else? People tune into Bruce to hear music, in which he excels. For him to give political speeches is irresponsible. So I guess Ronald Reagan should have stuck to acting, huh? That would certainly have disappointed a few generations of Republicans I would think :) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...
Best post of the year!!! Amen, Dan. This is what drives me crazy - when people move into an area and then complain about things that were there first. Cookman Ave could be an incredible place with music and dining mixing together. As it stands, it looks as though it will always have to be downplayed and under-utilized because of complaints from those living in the area. It's a shame because the Wave Festival earlier this year showed just how much potential the Cookman Ave area has to be a hub on entertainment. And that hub would not only keep the restaurants alive, but help them to thrive in the downtown area. On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:46 AM, dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Add to the lease - welcome to cookman ave. Music may be played and you may here it at 9pm. You buy or rent a place above a restaurant/bar or store and what do you expect. I think I told this already. Some newbie in gentrified Brooklyn complained to the city about the live poultry market next to their condo. The poultry market has been there 100+ years. Didn;t they see it?
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
From a Rolling Stone article on Aug 13, 2004 after the Dixie Chicks situation: Clear Channel controls roughly 1,200 radio stations and about seventy percent of all live events that are promoted in the United States. Critics say the company also has a political agenda, given Clear Channel executives' close ties to George W. Bush and the company's willingness to drop Howard Stern at a time when many media companies are fighting for free speech. If you don't realize that they've sent a chill throughout the creative community, you're living on another planet, says Howie Klein, the former head of Reprise Records. Clear Channel pretty much can dictate what they want. There is no bigger company in the music business, and none with such close ties to conservative politics. Along with Mays, Tom Hicks, the former head of AMFM and a Clear Channel board member, was an investor in the 1989 Texas Rangers deal that made George W. Bush a very rich man. No other company in recent history has had so much power over what the world hears -- and so few top executives with a background in music. Several of the Mayses' friends and business associates say that popular culture has never come up in conversation; radio- division CEO John Hogan is a career ad salesman who says that he prefers talk to rock, rap or country stations. Brian Becker, the live- entertainment CEO, cut his teeth on motor sports and theater. One former Clear Channel executive told Rolling Stone that at annual corporate meetings, sales awards are given out for more than an hour -- and programming prizes take up only ten minutes. You're controlling all this media, and what you're saying is, 'We don't care about what's on the air,' he says. All they care about is moving product. *** Tommy, I'm sorry but to many of us the idea of one company like Clear Channel basically owning the airwaves and being able to dictate what American hears goes far beyond any of the concerns you may have about the Fairness Doctrine. And for anyone to be upset at hearing an artist speak his mind at a concert is rather absurd to me. That artist has the right to say what they want and the audience has the right to either agree or disagree; however, when a corporation pretty much owns the airwaves from coast to coast and lays down the law as to what can be said - I don't care if they're liberal or conservative I think that's wrong. I'm against monolopies and this is a good example of why monopolies are bad. Clear Channel helped America push against the Dixie Chicks for speaking their mind on stage - an opinion, which if shared on stage now would cause very little controversy. I guess they were just ahead of their time. In fact, many artists are often ahead of their time, which is why artists should use whatever platforms they have to push their opinion. It's just their opinion and people can agree or disagree, but corporations (like Clear Channel) don't necessarily offer someone the chance to agree or disagree they just force it down your throat and in many markets there will not be any differing opinions. That's not free speech to me, it's propaganda. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
BS Tommy. If the right wing complains about Left Leaning media because of the NY Times, Washington Post and LA Times than I think owning about 75% of the Top stations in every market is dangerous. The other 25% are stations with many less listeners and far less signal power. Check the stats and you'll see this. Clear Channel doesn't invest in stations that are 100 watt... they go for 50,000 watts On Oct 8, 2007, at 3:57 PM, justifiedright wrote: Isn't there about 13,000 radio stations in America? I don't think 1200 puts you in control of all listening. I think it puts you in control of about 8 or 9%. If you consider that the local decide what gets played, there is no control.
Re: [AsburyPark] How do we strike a balance between talking about AP and the world at large?
Topics that involve Bruce Springsteen deal with Asbury Park on a certain level IMO since he has played such a major role and continues to play a role in the city. I could see how people believe these topics have nothing to do with AP, but I think most of them do on some levels. On Oct 8, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Hinge wrote: We have to figure out a way to give equal time to AP topics and world topics. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe we can think of one together. Honestly, I have a hard time ignoring non-AP posts about topics i'm interested in. Thoughts please?
Re: [AsburyPark] Why the Wonder Bar Closed
My take: Asbury Partners will only hurt their own properties (Convention Hall / Paramount Theatre) with condos built across the street. That will be a total disaster imo. I can see people complaining about the noise after 9pm on nights with a show; people complaining about someone leaving a beer can on their lawn or doing something even worse; and people complaining about the parking situation. It's a disaster waiting to happen. I think MM recognizes that for Convention Hall/Paramount to work they NEED to have a mini restaurant row near the facilities. The Wonder Bar plays a role along with Salt River Grill and Cabanas. The three are very different restaurants and all would attract people before and after the show. I'm betting that MM would rather see something like the Wonder Bar remain and either build a second restaurant next to it or have that be a parking area. Why else would they spend money rennovating the Paramount? So a bunch of condo owners could complain and limit the type/amount of shows they could do? Personally, I don't understand why Asbury Park can not simply say no more condo development until the existing condo projects are finished and sold. Why have even more of a glut in a down market? On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:11 AM, justifiedright wrote: Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is usually the right one. I see 3 entities whose current PRIMARY interests simply don't coincide at this moment in time. Nothing untoward or ill-meaning is going on. Pat, Lance and Debbie: Primary interest - Want to continue to invest in WB to make it better, so they need a long term lease to protect the investment; certainly can't agree to be out on 60 day's notice. Conclusion: Must have 5 year lease. Madison Marquette: Primary Interest - to buy the whole block to build condos; but not right now because real estate isn't selling and financing is strict. Have to wait. Not going to buy the block now and cover carrying costs/potential liabilities just to save WB. If they gave WB a 5 year lease, they wouldn't be able to develop it 1 year from now, 2 years, etc. Conclusion: 5 year lease contrary to their primary interests. Asbury Partners: Primary Interests - (Mirror opposite of MM) They want to sell the whole block to condo developer. Now suffering carrying costs and potential liabilities. Won't give WB a 5 year lease, because the length of the lease will hold up a sale to a sub- developer for exactly that long. Conclusion: 5 year lease contrary to their primary interests. I know it feels better to ascribe all sorts of Machiavellian reasons including class warfare, social planning, etc. all to create a villain, but things don't run philosophically in real estate. Developers aren't part of a secret society to create a new world order. It's one parcel at a time – and how much can they make on that parcel. Simple. To make a deal, quite simply, all sides need the their financial incentives to coincide. They don't right now. LAST HOPE: The secondary incentives: Asbury Partners will suffer increased carrying costs when the WB closes. To them and MM the block will look terrible, affecting the rest of the beachfront. Perhaps a last minute deal is struck as a bow to secondary incentives, but make no mistake - they won't greatly compromise the primary incentive to keep WB open. Larry can find someone to open a bar there when WB leaves to cover carry costs if he has to, so the secondary incentives are not that strong. It's business. Unfortunately, we don't get what we want. It's not the first time for any of us. There are parts of the redevelopment we would all do differently. I guess that's part of being a diverse community – it never looks like one person's perfect place. If many of you were in charge things would look differently. If I were in charge the Casino complex would have been knocked down and replaced with a much larger, world class facility. Maybe WB gets a temp space elsewhere and moves back to the beach in a few years, when all involved have similar current interests.
Re: [AsburyPark] Pictures from this past weekend have been posted to:
Wonderful photos!!! On Oct 2, 2007, at 11:52 PM, dapawprint wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw I haven't finished all of the tags, but I will.
[AsburyPark] Springsteen article in NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/arts/music/30scot.html It's interesting that the photographer chose two or three location shots which keep up the idea that Asbury Park is a dump. I still believe that many people in North Jersey and New York - who are NOT investors - still are unaware at any progress within the town. This is because of the articles found in major papers like the NY Times, Star Ledge, Philadelphia Inquirer (remember the article a month or two back with pics people found hard to believe) and the pictures always used in the articles. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Puppies Lovers of Asbury, lend me your ear...
On Sep 27, 2007, at 1:38 PM, justifiedright wrote: Sorry about your boy McCloud. He got screwed. I can't believe Long Branch took the position that his property, which was where Pier Village is, was not on the Ocean. Do the advertise Pier Village as not being on the Ocean? Oh what evil liberals have brought us with this post-Kelo eminant domain stuff. For shame; for shame. Tommy, This is where I disagree with you and people like Rush 100%. I know very, very few liberals who supported that decision. I love how the argument that many use is to say everything wrong with the world is because of liberals. Fact is, there are awful decisions made on both sides. And, once again, that's why I'm proud to be independent. I can spot phonyness either way AND not have to hide the fact that it's wrong. IMO, one of the basic ideas of America is that you can own land and not have the government take it away. The American Dream used to be of owning your own house. It should always be that way. Who knows? Maybe in a few years with another few Liberals on the bench, the ruling will be overturned... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Puppies Lovers of Asbury, lend me your ear...
I know who the judges were that supported it. What I'm saying is that all across the country there were liberals who spoke out about the decision as flat out wrong. This was, by no means, a totally liberal idea. On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:15 PM, justifiedright wrote: Gary, Gary Gary. This is where I disagree with you and people like Rush 100%. I know very, very few liberals who supported that decision. I guess you don't know the justices who made the Kelo decision. The Justice who wrote the Kelo decision: Stevens (liberal), was joined by: Ginsberg (liberal) Bryer (liberal) Souter (liberal) Kennedy (leans liberal) These Justices Dissented: Rhenquist (conservative) Scalia (conservative) Thomas (conservative) O'Conner (leans liberal) Now go take a look at every town in New Jersey that is using Eminant Domian. Almost exclusively they are run by Democrats. Right here in Monmouth County you have Asbury Park, Long Branch, Neptune and Belmar. Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat. The facts are what they are. Eminant Domain abuse and disrespect for property rights is a chronic sickness of the left and the Democrat party. I'm not saying you won't find a single example of a Re;ublican using it. You will. But by and large, its the other way. IMO, one of the basic ideas of America is that you can own land and not have the government take it away. The American Dream used to be of owning your own house. It should always be that way. Bravo I agree. Communism was based upon government ownership of the land. So who in America gave us Kelo? The liberals. What town councils are using it? The liberals. Who are more likely to call for more regulation of land, as opposed to deregulation? The liberals. Who wants to tax your land more not less? The liberals. You Gary, may be a conservative.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Puppies Lovers of Asbury, lend me your ear...
You're right; however taking away your land to build a school that is needed and getting fair price is different than having your homes removed so somebody else can build a home for somebody else. The basic principle is the same - the American Dream should be safe except for rare cases. This decision opened it up to many more cases than should ever have been allowed. Long Branch is one such example. How can anyone say someone with beachfront property was the owner of a blighted property? That's just ridiculous. On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:16 PM, dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, one of the basic ideas of America is that you can own land and not have the government take it away. Sorry Gary but the government always had the power to take it away. No one should deny them that right. What the argument is about (Kelo et al.) is why they take it and how much should they pay. I say they have the right to take it but only for public use not public purpose. And public use means just that, school, road, fire house, etc. Public purpose can and has meant almost anything those it power want it to mean.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Very funny explanation for setting value in Long branch.
On Sep 27, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: At least Mayor Pringle has woke up! If you mean Mayor Pringle in Belmar... he didn't exactly wake up. He didn't have a choice but to change plans.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Puppies Lovers of Asbury, lend me your ear...
Tommy, Wanna reconsider that liberals own this idea ?? As I said, there were many liberals who spoke out about this as a horrible decision. Liberals were far from united. Here's one example and my last post on the topic. (Although I think that as far as secondary topics, this one hits as close to Asbury Park as any political topic ever could) Homeowners Ask U.S. Supreme Court: Rehear Eminent Domain Case Washington, D.C.-The U.S. Supreme Court has one final chance to correct one of its most-despised decisions in recent memory-its ruling in Kelo v. City of New London, which allows the use of eminent domain for private development. Today the Institute for Justice will file a petition for rehearing on behalf of New London, Conn., homeowners asking the U.S. Supreme Court to reconsider its 5-4 ruling from June 23 that has already opened up the floodgates to eminent domain abuse. “We will be the first to admit that our chances of success with this motion are extremely small, but if there is any case that deserves to reheard by the Supreme Court, it is the Kelo case,” said Scott Bullock, senior attorney at the Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Justice. “This is the worst Supreme Court decision in years. Hopefully the Court will see the abuse of power that it has unleashed and will reconsider its misguided and dangerous opinion.” from The Free Liberal http://www.freeliberal.com/archives/001170.html From the Dictionary Free -- Not in bondage, servitude, or subjection to another Liberal -- Unprejudiced, open-minded; respectful of individual rights and freedoms -- from the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Puppies Lovers of Asbury, lend me your ear...
On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:31 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was, by no means, a totally liberal idea. Yes. Yes it is. Liberals own this one. 100% Actually, I guess we can also blame whoever voted for: Gerald Ford (nominated John Paul Stevens) Ronald Reagan (nominated Anthony Kennedy) George H.W. Bush (nominated David Souter) They along with Ruth Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer (both from Bill Clinton) supported the decision. The defense rests. This was not a 100% liberal decision. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Puppies Lovers of Asbury, lend me your ear...
Well their definition of liberal is as I believe it to be as well. Liberal -- Unprejudiced, open-minded; respectful of individual rights and freedoms If this is a conservative group then more power to them for restoring the good name of liberalism. Thanks for pointing out that they're conservative in nature. I now have more respect for conservatives as a whole :) On Sep 27, 2007, at 3:08 PM, justifiedright wrote: By the way Gary, the Institute for Justice? Thats a pretty conservative group. They bill themselves libertarian (most conservatives claim to lean that way, me included). They are free market guys, and were funded by the same folks who funded the Cato Institute. They represent Kelo. Very, very far from liberal.
Re: [AsburyPark] 5th Ave Pavillion
Let's hope there isn't such a problem between MM and Asbury Partners. But if a problem did come up and forced MM to bail, I really hope the town would look towards dumping the deal with the Partners. This is their last hope for success imo. On Sep 27, 2007, at 4:53 PM, dfsavgny wrote: Anyone know what the plan du jour is? There was contrary talk about a total over haul or a phased scenario. The last i heard there was supposed to be a new submission to the planning board. I just heard a rumor that MM is not going forward in the renovation due to some flack with Partners. I hear someone else is doing Larry's dirty work now.
[AsburyPark] tourism news
Branson, Missouri -- a place that bills itself as the live entertainment capital of the world just had some news... The full-service Branson vacation company is celebrating a major milestone--a staggering one million theater and attraction tickets sold in just four years--and the customer who purchased the millionth ticket won a refund of their entire vacation arranged through Branson Tourism Center. That's 1 million theater and attraction tickets in 4 years in Missouri. Do you think those kind of tourism numbers would be possible in Asbury Park with: 1) Close proximity to New York City, Philadelphia, Washington DC and Boston 2) a beach town with a new boardwalk 3) a town with a musical history known across the world 4) a town with mass transit leading directly to the town from NYC 5) world famous clubs like the Stone Pony plus convention hall and the paramount Tying tourism to Asbury Park would be so easy... the difficult thing is keeping them away. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Dan Jacobson spotted eating lunch with Bruce Springsteen
I don't know what's stranger? Hearing that Bruce had lunch with DJ or finding out that Joe Jackson now lives in Asbury Park :) You're not the singer, are you? On Sep 24, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Joe Jackson wrote: I was sitting at Market in the Middle today having lunch when in came Dan Jacobson of the tri city news with none other than Bruce Springsteen. Unbelivvalbe. I thought he wasn't a fan of Bruce? Needless to say it was pretty cool to eat lunch in the same place as the Boss. A moment I will never forget. Afterwards Bruce signed a few autographs and was kind enough to take some photos with the fans that were gathered around.
Re: [AsburyPark] Baronet Theater - Neglected by AP Partners
Hinge, I think it's hard to keep the outcry up when everything we're losing or have lost is because of one company that doesn't seem to care. People just get too frustrated with banging their head against the wall and since they basically are in control, what power do we really have? On Sep 24, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Hinge wrote: So, there the Baronet sits. Empty and neglected and looking sad. Same thing goes for The Fastlane. It sickens me that the Baronet, one of the few usable pieces of AP history is rotting away under Fishman and companies watch. Dennis Dubrow poured so much effort, love and money into that place...for what? Nothing. And there's no outcry. Nobody even seems to care anymore, even though many of us spoke up about saving it last year. Sad indeed.
Re: [AsburyPark] Library Square Park a horrible mess this morning
Hinge, Have you tried writing a letter to the Asbury Park Press editorial page? On Sep 22, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Hinge wrote: I just took my dog for a walk in Library Square Park. I don't know what was going on there last night, but it's a horrible, disgusting mess today. I counted 5 empty pink little drug bags. One used condom. Broken glass everywhere around the fountain. One of the 2 plants that I placed in the fountain urns has now been stolen. Garbage everywhere, despite there being 4 garbage cans steps away. I'm disgusted. The lighting in the park at night is pathetic, and it's pretty obvious that the park is way off the PDs radar at night. It would be so easy for the city to help to fix this problem; 1) Better lighting 2) Make patroling the park at night a priority. 3) And once again, our city needs some form of video surveillence. How many years is this issue going to sit on the table until the city wakes up? Other cities in our state have used video surveillence to great success. AP knows this, but they get stuck at the considering phase. Ridiculous.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: DC Firm Tried to Pan Rev Brown off on Asbury Park
On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:09 PM, justifiedright wrote: - Why does the non-profit industrial complex around here ignore the plight of the poor people of Toms River and insist on coming here? What really attracts you holy-roller church people to Asbury? The night life? Retaurants? The drug scene? The male review at Club Paradise? If your Mission passes on going to Toms River, where you are truly needed, and you open in Asbury instead, I'll have to conclude its to have fun, not religion. Now that's the best argument I've heard yet. Nice job Tommy. Notice people don't have to lie or create numbers that don't exist to sway people, simply point out the truth. We've all probably seen the stories of the homeless in the Toms River area. That area is of need of a shelter more than Asbury Park is. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Metropolitan Hotel - R.I.P
Werner, You should have someone that covers Asbury Park for the Press or Coaster try asking that question to public officials and get an official response. It certainly seems like a valid point. If you're going to throw someone in jail over a house, why not an abandoned hotel deemed in such poor shape that demolition is necessary. We all know that people have lived in that hotel for years. I'd say that the Metropolitan Hotel has to be more of a public hazard than your place by any reasonable person. On Sep 20, 2007, at 6:48 AM, wernerapnj wrote: At last nights Coucil meeting it was announced that the Metropolitan will be razed due to being an eminent hazard to the public. It was placed on the Scattered Sites redevelopment plan and designated for restorarion as a hotel. The owner, who for at least 10 years, has done NOTHING to safeguard the building applied for a demolition permit. Initially it was granted and then recinded due to the redevelopment designation. Now the City concedes that is is public danger due to structural failure and has ORDERED it to be demolished. In light of my recent incarceration for have an incompleted porch I asked the following: - How much jail has the owner been sentenced to for maintaining a public hazard? - How many summonses have been issued for code and maintainance violations? - How much in fines has the owners paid over the course of this? NO ANSWERS to any of that. Assume 0,0,0 as the answers. I will find out and am going to make it by business to see that there is equal enforcement. Werner
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4 ALARM FIRE AT MONROE TOWERS
It made the NY network news at noon as well as CNN and Fox News On Sep 20, 2007, at 12:43 PM, oakdorf wrote: ---so that's where all the trucks are heading
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel - R.I.P
You're right. I guess it's because of the way the city responded to the body in the basement that gets me, but the Judge is the person who should be held responsible mostly. On Sep 20, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Paul Vail wrote: Why is it that people are pointing fingers everywhere except at the man who threw Werner in Jail. Judge Apostolou answers to no one. If anyone has evidence to the contrary, they should put it out there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: Werner, You should have someone that covers Asbury Park for the Press or Coaster try asking that question to public officials and get an official response. It certainly seems like a valid point. If you're going to throw someone in jail over a house, why not an abandoned hotel deemed in such poor shape that demolition is necessary. We all know that people have lived in that hotel for years. I'd say that the Metropolitan Hotel has to be more of a public hazard than your place by any reasonable person. The city's answer will be that it was the judge and not it that threw Werner in the pokey.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: UPDATE: Up to 100 residents displaced by Asbury Park fire
Glad you're ok. Best wishes to you and the rest of the tenants. On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:50 PM, 2fine4u wrote: You have to be here to believe what's going on! I kid you not! Just went out on the terrace and the Red Cross has a tent, right in the center of the sidewalk! Big Kleg lights shining, like I'm at a football stadium! Hope I spelled that right! The streets are unblocked and open, now! If anyone wishes to call, I'm at 732-502-0353 or 732-685-5885-cell! I'm in 11E on the East Side! Thanks to all! Sharon --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or The Berkley --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Perhaps Wesley Grove could help. Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 09/20/07 BY NANCY SHIELDS ASBURY PARK — As many as 100 people will be displaced from the Munroe Towers apartment building in the wake of this afternoon's fire. Officials said those living on the 13th, 14th and 15th floors on the west side of the building will have to relocate for an undetermined about of time. Those floors suffered the most damage from the fire, which was located in a 14th floor apartment. Those living on the 11th and 12th floors of the west side of the building may be displaced for up to 48 hours, city officials said. Residents on the east side of the building were not affected by the fire. The building is 15 stories high, with 268 apartments, and is divided into a west block and an east block. The fire was in the west block of the building. Preliminary reports indicate the fire was accidental and may have been electrical in nature, police have said. Residents living in the bottom 10 floors on the west block have been asked to vacate the building while those floors are inspected for any electrical problems due to the fire. City officials said they hope to have residents in the lower 10 floors back in the building tonight. The displaced residents have been taken to the nearby Salvation Army building on Main Street, where American Red Cross workers are assisting in finding them shelter.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Snoopy: Joy! Joy!
Werner, No offense, but when someone says something like Liberals Have No God... I hardly think that's polite company. That's a pretty strong and offensive statement. On Sep 19, 2007, at 11:08 AM, wernerapnj wrote: Mario ? Is it true, you have abandoned the ship ? Sad to see the group self destruct, but its not all Tommie's fault. The ongoing diatribe regarding politics/religion/ by otherwise rational people is unbelievable. Proof the mother was right: Do not discuss politics or religion in polite company. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/18/2007 9:49:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, you brought it up in post #29494. You're just lying to yourself now. Sad. I was always taught that 29064 comes before 29494. 29064 was where the study was first introduced here by me. Now you say I'm lying. Same as hate. So, I'm reneging on that bar tab agreement; I've rationalized that it's Ok 'cause you reneged at least 2 or 3 times. _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/20636_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/20636) Check to the Veterans et al. It is sad...you've reached the tipping point as a bottom feeder. To save this group from your need for school yard taunting, I will go to edit membership -- click -- leave this group -- click. You'll probably find another scapegoat. Finally, my exit is not as your previous peevish exits ( at least twice) because everyone was ganging up on victim you...poor me...sob, sob. Just want to save the group from your spite and need to be mr. justified right right right right..., ad infinitum. Parting is such sweet sorrow. Not. More like Snoopy's Joy! Joy ! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Snoopy: Joy! Joy!
Has anyone heard what will become of the old Red Fusion / Harry's building? I keep hearing about a new restaurant coming but it's different from the one I previously heard about. I guess that one never even made it to opening stage. On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:01 PM, wernerapnj wrote: == No offense taken. Since I'm not versed in either politics or religion the statement means nothing to me. In the context of this group is has no relevance to Asbury Park and could very well have been ignored by everyone. It would be nice to get back to Asbury Park related issues, would it not ?? Werner
Re: [AsburyPark] Twisted Covers
Thanks for coming out Tommy. We do it once a month. The next two are planned. October - we'll be trying something different this time. It'll be songs from The Beatles solo careers. We've been focusing on just one artist up to now so this will be a little different approach. November - Tom Waits We've got plans for the ones you mention. I originally had people vote on what artists they'd like to see covered and we're kind of working off of that. I'd also like to get some theme shows like Songs from Movies and stuff like that. I believe the Twisted Tree is moving us to the last Sunday of each month and there won't be an open mic that day so we might start at 5pm and be able to start exactly on time :) On Sep 18, 2007, at 10:53 AM, justifiedright wrote: Great job Gary hosting the Twisted Covers of the Springsteen songs. We loved it. I hope you do more of these. Here are some other cover shows I would go to if you put them on: Simon and Garfunkel; Jim Croce; Grateful Dead Rock Anthems; Anyone else think of any?
[AsburyPark] twisted covers - Springsteen at 6pm today
Just a reminder that Twisted Covers will be spotlighting Bruce Springsteen today at 6pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe. The show is free. (ASBURY PARK, NJ) -- Twisted Covers, a show produced by UpstageRadio.com and the Twisted Tree Cafe, returns on Sunday, September 16th with a special spotlight on Bruce Springsteen. Over a dozen Jersey based artists will cover songs from over ten different Springsteen albums. Twisted Covers takes place at the Twisted Tree Cafe (609 Cookman Avenue) in Asbury Park, New Jersey. The starts at 6pm and runs until 9pm. The show is free to the public. People are encouraged to come early as seating is limited. Artists scheduled to perform include Jon Caspi, Janey Todd, Maybe Pete, Keith Monacchio, Arlan Feiles, Hesh, DC Fisher, Michael Brett, George Wirth, Mike June, Pat Roddy, Joe Harvard, Catherine Wacha, Joe Rapolla, and Cook. Danny White, a long-time performer at Light of Day shows, will be the featured artist of the night. The show will kick off a week long salute to one of New Jersey's greatest performers on http://www.UpstageRadio.com . Each day during the Jersey Shore Lunch Hour, which broadcasts at noon, the online station will feature three songs from three different releases - culminating on Sunday when the station will once again be broadcasting at least five hours of Bruce Springsteen songs and covers of Springsteen songs by over 50 artists starting at noon. Previous Twisted Covers shows include spotlights on Bob Dylan and The Rolling Stones. Future shows include spotlights on Tom Waits, The Beatles (solo works), and a special night where locals will cover songs from other local artists. Basically, Twisted Covers is just a fun night for the local music community, said Gary Wien of UpstageRadio.com . It's a night where artists and music fans can just hang out and listen to great songs done by their favorite local artists. UpstageRadio.com is an online radio station run by Upstage Magazine. The station largely plays independent music from musicians across the world. The station won an Asbury Music Award last year for Top Internet Radio Station. Songs scheduled to be performed at the Twisted Covers show include: Greetings From Asbury Park Lost In The Flood Growin' Up Blinded By The Light For You Spirit In The Night The Wild, The Innocent The E Street Shuffle Sandy (4th of July, Asbury Park) Incident on 57th Street Born To Run Night Thunder Road Darkness On The Edge of Town Racing In The Street The River The River Hungry Heart Nebraska Johnny 99 Open All Night State Trooper Atlantic City Highway Patrolman Born In The USA Glory Days No Surrender I'm On Fire Ghost of Tom Joad Straight Time Ghost of Tom Joad Devils and Dust All I'm Thinking About The Seeger Sessions Mary Don't You Weep How Can A Poor Man Plus Jersey Girl and Streets Of Philadelphia Song titles may change from original list
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park - The focus of this group
I think the problem is that the war and religion are very sensitive issues to people and our country has really become much more divided about things than at any time in recent memory. On Sep 14, 2007, at 1:43 PM, nobepeymay wrote: I agree..in my opinion even if the threads are 75% AP park related that would be great but once you start see see 75% of the topics and posts in the other direction that is when I feel the board is not serving AP as well as it may be. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: too many non AP issues it may lose its influence. As long as there is room for the occasional exception -- like your and Allan's recommendation for the grapeseed oil at Wegmans. I always wondered what its advantage was was until I learned here about the smoke point etc We'll need a moderator as wise as Solomon. In a message dated 9/14/2007 12:38:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agreeit is tough to find enough time in the day to look at the AP group website.and to sift through posts that have nothing to do with AP is a waste of time for people who are interested in discussions related to the community. I especially like the point at the bottom of Hinge's e-mail about how influential the group has proven to be and about who is obvioulsy viewing the board.if the board gets bogged down with too many non AP issues it may lose its influence. John ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park.
It's falling apart, but it's also a way of cutting losses early on rather than have abandoned structures. This is also a warning to Asbury about having so many different condo villages spring up at the same time during a bad market. Yet again a reason for Asbury to not get rid of businesses like the Wonder Bar until others are ready and being used. We don't need more abandoned condos. On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:52 AM, asburycouple wrote: Point taken... How about that Belmar redevelopment agreement falling apart?
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: City Of Asbury Marketing is crap
Honestly, one thing that I do believe about Jewell Marketing is that they rely too much on the old, traditional forms of advertising. We spent a lot of time trying to get them to update their press release lists for online sites and mags like Upstage and The Rag that are in the area. Likewise, I think a lot of their ad budget goes to the same places it did probably did a decade ago. You're talking about creating a marketing website - they could be advertising on a ton of websites as well (for cheaper than the advertising they're doing now) It's all about recognizing the trends and I'm not sure the City is doing that right now. I think Jewell does a good job but really needs someone with tons of new marketing ideas for online and alternative papers. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
On Sep 12, 2007, at 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, 1. Last time I checked we're not in Europe! And actually we finally have favorable regimes in old Europe (Germany and France) Both who were right in trying to stop us from invading Iraq. Notice I said Iraq not war. The ENTIRE world was with us to go into Afghanistan after the Taliban. President Bush squandered the support of the world with the Iraq invasion. 2. How quickly you forget the Juanita Broderick rape by Bill Clinton. Actually, the question could be to you - how easily do you believe things you want to believe? Clinton may or may not have been guilty in some of the accusations but the rape was alleged and not proven and it's pretty well known that right wing groups were offering money for just about anybody they might be able to connect to the Clintons for a story. Juanita said I just don't think anyone would have believed me. -- when asked why she didn't come forward at the time. I think she came forward a decade later for one reason -- money. How quickly you forget the Vince Foster suicide, Once again... let's stay away from talk radio conspiracies. If you want to believe those, there are plenty about this administration as well. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Again I sent the wrong Political Compass Test.
Tommy, Looks like you wound up a little to the right of me that's surprising :) On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:11 PM, justifiedright wrote: Me. Don't know what it means. I felt some of the questions could not be answered with the selection of answers given. The Political Compass Economic Left/Right: 3.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.21 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again I sent the wrong Political Compass Test. But it is fun to do the 10 minute test. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Your own results will put you on a graph somewhat like this: http://www.politicalcompass.org/composers http://www.politicalcompass.org/composers The text below should come through. But the graphs may not. About The Political Compass™ In the introduction, we explained the inadequacies of the traditional left-right line. In the introduction, we explained the inadequacies of the traditional left-right line. If we recognise that this is essentially an economic line it's fine, as far as it goes. We can show, for example, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot, with their commitment to a totally controlled economy, on the hard left. Socialists like Mahatma Gandhi and Robert Mugabe would occupy a less extreme leftist position. Margaret Thatcher would be well over to the right, but further right still would be someone like that ultimate free marketeer, General Pinochet. That deals with economics, but the social dimension is also important in politics. That's the one that the mere left-right scale doesn't adequately address. So we've added one, ranging in positions from extreme authoritarian to extreme libertarian. Both an economic dimension and a social dimension are important factors for a proper political analysis. By adding the social dimension you can show that Stalin was an authoritarian leftist (ie the state is more important than the individual) and that Gandhi, believing in the supreme value of each individual, is a liberal leftist. While the former involves state-imposed arbitary collectivism in the extreme top left, on the extreme bottom left is voluntary collectivism at regional level, with no state involved. Hundreds of such anarchist communities exisited in Spain during the civil war period You can also put Pinochet, who was prepared to sanction mass killing for the sake of the free market, on the far right as well as in a hardcore authoritarian position. On the non-socialist side you can distinguish someone like Milton Friedman, who is anti-state for fiscal rather than social reasons, from Hitler, who wanted to make the state stronger, even if he wiped out half of humanity in the process. The chart also makes clear that, despite popular perceptions, the opposite of fascism is not communism but anarchism (ie liberal socialism), and that the opposite of communism ( i.e. an entirely state-planned economy) is neo-liberalism (i.e. extreme deregulated economy) The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal anarchism championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples law of the jungle right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues. Often their libertarian impulses stop short of opposition to strong law and order positions, and are more economic in substance (ie no taxes) so they are not as extremely libertarian as they are extremely right wing. On the other hand, the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism ( libertarian socialism) belongs in the bottom left hand corner. In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarianism is necessarily right wing, with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today's Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground. A Word about Neo-cons and Neo-libs U.S.neo-conservatives, with their commitment to high military spending and the global assertion of national values, tend to be more authoritarian than hard right. By contrast, neo-liberals, opposed to such moral leadership and, more especially, the ensuing demands on the tax payer, belong to a further right but less authoritarian region. Paradoxically, the free market, in neo-con parlance, also allows for the large-scale subsidy of the military-industrial complex, a considerable degree of corporate welfare, and protectionism when deemed in the national interest. These are viewed by neo-libs as impediments to the unfettered market forces that they champion. International Chart A diverse professional team has assessed the words and actions of internationally known contemporary
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Here's something for the jingoistic folks on this list Sen. John Warner (R-Va.): I hope in the recesses of your heart that you know that strategy will continue the casualties, stress on our forces, stress on military families, stress on all Americans. Are you able to say at this time if we continue what you have laid before the Congress here as a strategy, do you feel that that is making America safer? Petraeus: Sir, I believe that this is indeed the best course of action to achieve our objectives in Iraq. Warner: Does that make America safer? Petraeus: Sir, I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted out in my own mind. What I have focused on and been riveted on is how to accomplish the mission of the Multi-National Force-Iraq. *** Shouldn't the ultimate mission be to make America Safer? If our leaders can't answer that, would you like to take a shot at how Iraq makes us safer and why we are there? (while you're at it why don't you give an idea how many years do you expect us to be there?) Sometimes leaving is the best thing to do. It prevents having thousands of losses for the same reason. On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:10:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clinton made a mockery of the office. Only after several years of dogging (Whitewater etc) of Clinton. Finally he was outed for a BJ. Some Americans saw that a waste of 60+ million dollars + in investigations. How'd he win reelection if the office was mocked. The tight ass religious right who used a private sex to enhance their self-righteousness. Europeans thought we were foolish about the issue. Bush has lost our respect and integrity around the world. Thankfully most are anti_Bush, not anti-American. We'll need multilateral cooperation among the various diplomatic corps and other agencies world-wide to curtail terrorism. That bumper sticker: When Clinton lied, no one died. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com In Somalia he punked out and left Rangers spec ops people stranded! Wanna put that on a bumer sticker? KB
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:29 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: Oh! I see! Only YOUR wildly insane conspiracy theories are legitimate! This actually is a big difference between Republicans, Democrats and Independents. Republicans seem to honestly believe anything that they read on right wing sites or hear on talk radio. Those people may say they only speak the truth but they've been proving false time and time again. About 95% or more of the Clinton conspiracies are not nearly as true as Republicans would like to believe. Just because Fox News or Rush says so doesn't make it so... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Although one could also say practice what you preach. There's little doubt to most of the country that Republicans have been far more hypocritical in the way they live their lives. Every time a Republican gets caught doing something like adultry or prostitution it looks far worse than when a Democrat gets caught because it just reaffirms the way some of us feel - that Republicans USE RELIGION rather than our truly religious. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: But I find it rather odd that people equate God and religion. I for one never thought it was God who wanted a religious form of fellowship, but rather a fellowship in personal relationship between God and believer. I as a minister, do not foster religiosity. I promote individual relationship. I find the symbols and high church attributes culturally beneficial, but does little to cause a soul to desire the relationship. I agree with you. I think people can be very religious or spiritual and not belong to an organized religion. Personally, I think organized religions are behind much of the problems in the world because they do pit people against people. Much of the world's intolerance comes from against the religion of others. Many of the wars fought were fought in the name of religion. And many of the greatest criminal swindlers made their money from pretending to be a spiritual leader. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park
On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hinge wrote: I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. With that in mind... I'll throw out a little ad for a show we're putting on this Sunday in Asbury Park. It's called Twisted Covers and it features local artists covering a pair of tunes by a particular artist and throwing in one of their originals as well. This Sunday we are spotlighting the career of Bruce Springsteen. We have a tremendous lineup that will run through songs from Bruce to help celebrate his birthday a week early. The show is free and runs from 6pm to 9pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue. If you ever wanted to see some of the best performers in the local area, this is a great place to start. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park
If anyone sees him please tell him he's always welcome to stop by the Twisted Tree on Sunday. (who knows, he did show up at a tribute to him in NYC) On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Hinge wrote: Speaking of Bruce, isn't he slated to be rehearsing at Convention Hall this evening? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hinge wrote: I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. With that in mind... I'll throw out a little ad for a show we're putting on this Sunday in Asbury Park. It's called Twisted Covers and it features local artists covering a pair of tunes by a particular artist and throwing in one of their originals as well. This Sunday we are spotlighting the career of Bruce Springsteen. We have a tremendous lineup that will run through songs from Bruce to help celebrate his birthday a week early. The show is free and runs from 6pm to 9pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue. If you ever wanted to see some of the best performers in the local area, this is a great place to start.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't matter that Clinton did not preach right or wrong...I did not have sex with that woman...oh wait there is no governing authority that describes a bj as sex... (Al Gore, 2000)...And the media did not jump on the Clinton rape allegation becasue they did not want to believe it And Gary, I know independents, several are friends of mine... and ary...YOU'RE NO INDEPENDENT! That's funny. I guess you've never seen my voting record. I was raised in a strict Republican household. Problem is I can recognize that Republicans are liars and Democrats are liars. There are very few party related people who ever seem to admit that their side is wrong. That's why I'd never join either party. It's really funny the way Republicans treat independents. They act as if there's no such thing. Truth is that I think more people are independent than they'd realize. How can anyone believe everything one party has for its platform? If they have a brain they should pick and choose from both sides. I'm guessing that you'd have a hard time calling me a Democrat if I told you that I am a firm supporter in a flat tax, that I think illegal immigration has ruined the country, etc. There's more to life than talk radio and being told what to think... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
I believe one of the worst things to happen in my lifetime was NAFTA which I blame Clinton for. Does that make you happy? I admit I lean liberal on a lot of issues and conservative on others. Kinda sounds independent to me. But I guess because I don't worship at the altar of guys like Rush Limbaugh I would be considered a liberal. I love those guys. Dittoheads -- they proudly say they're a ditto head and then say the other side doesn't have a brain. Amazing! On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and you have to admit that you've been bashing everything from the right...so now, I don't belive you to be independent! -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:28 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't matter that Clinton did not preach right or wrong...I didnot have sex with that woman...oh wait there is no governing authority that describes a bj as sex... (Al Gore, 2000)...And the media did not jump on the Clinton rape allegation becasue they didnot want to believe it And Gary, I know independents, several are friends of mine... andary...YOU'RE NO INDEPENDENT! That's funny. I guess you've never seen my voting record. I was raised in a strict Republican household. Problem is I can recognize that Republicans are liars and Democrats are liars. There are very few party related people who ever seem to admit that their side is wrong. That's why I'd never join either party. It's really funny the way Republicans treat independents. They act as if there's no such thing. Truth is that I think more people are independent than they'd realize. How can anyone believe everything one party has for its platform? If they have a brain they should pick and choose from both sides. I'm guessing that you'd have a hard time calling me a Democrat if I told you that I am a firm supporter in a flat tax, that I think illegal immigration has ruined the country, etc. There's more to life than talk radio and being told what to think... Yahoo! Groups Links to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join(Yahoo! ID Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park
Hope to see ya there Tommy! Some of the artists that will be covering Bruce Springsteen include: Janey Todd, Jon Caspi, Keith Monacchio, James Dalton, Hesh, DC Fisher, George Wirth, Pat Roddy, Michael Brett, Mike June, Maybe Pete, Cook and Danny White. I think you'll be very impressed with the talent in the area. On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:13 PM, justifiedright wrote: Hey Gary that sounds like a blast! My daughter and I are going to start working on some Bruce songs tonight (by coincidence). If I can talk my wife into letting her stay out until 9:00 on a school night I'll bring her along. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hinge wrote: I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. With that in mind... I'll throw out a little ad for a show we're putting on this Sunday in Asbury Park. It's called Twisted Covers and it features local artists covering a pair of tunes by a particular artist and throwing in one of their originals as well. This Sunday we are spotlighting the career of Bruce Springsteen. We have a tremendous lineup that will run through songs from Bruce to help celebrate his birthday a week early. The show is free and runs from 6pm to 9pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue. If you ever wanted to see some of the best performers in the local area, this is a great place to start.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Thank God that nobody (except for a few fans of Fox News) pays attention to her or believes anything she says... On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need help! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml great Ann Coulter Interview... That's the name of her book. Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism
Re: [AsburyPark] Berkeley Carteret Hotel
Tommy, I did a double take with that rug too! LOL On Sep 10, 2007, at 5:13 PM, justifiedright wrote: Walked into the lobby the other night with my sons. We all stopped in our tracks. My 11 year old said, Are they trying to make it look...funky? I couldn't have thought of a better word myself. I'm not one tell another person how to spend his money, particularly when its a guy who is about a billion times more successful than me. With that being said, let me now say, Holy Crap! What's with the Zebra rug?
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Man I really pity anybody that thinks she's telling the truth. She's an entertainer if that. On Sep 10, 2007, at 5:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wake up people. Ann Coulter is not stating anything that isn't true. -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Thank God that nobody (except for a few fans of Fox News) pays attention to her or believes anything she says... On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need help! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml great Ann Coulter Interview... That's the name of her book. Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Tommy, We should all try to get together at the Wonder Bar one night. Whether or not we can keep it open it would be good to have people from the list celebrating Asbury Park regardless of any other political or philosophical views. There is one thing we generally have in common. We may not all agree on the best way for Asbury to come back, but we all want Asbury to come back. -Gary On Sep 10, 2007, at 9:42 PM, justifiedright wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math?
Re: [AsburyPark] Good to be Out and About
Welcome back Werner! This whole situation has opened a lot of peoples eyes around here I think. On Sep 8, 2007, at 7:18 PM, wernerapnj wrote: Approximately 24 hours ago I was released from the Monmouth County Correctional Institute (the County Jail) where I was incarcerated in an attempt to correct my difficulties in obtaining financing to perform repairs on my home. I had thought that debtors prisons were abolished years ago but that is apparantly not the case as I was charged with Contempt of Court. I have taken the time till now to address needed business matters such as paying mortgages and bills, catching up on voice mails, emails and of course this group and the press. First, allow me to express my profound thanks for the support, concern and expressions of outrage regarding my situation. As I was wisked away from Asbury park and locked in a cell without means of communication I fully anticipated that most would celebrate the removal of that pain in the ass (me). While I attained notorioty in the facility (You're here for WHAT ???) I was unaware of the far reaching effect on the community I left behind. I'm thankful to have had at least limited contact with the group through Maureen whose number I was forced to write with mustard on a paper towel since pen and paper were unavailable. Thank you to Tommie's wife for looking up that critical lifeline to the outside world for me during one of my initial free collect phone calls. While I'm still getting details of what transpired in Court to gain my release, it is my understanding that many volunteered themselves and letters of support to help. Thank you all, its good to be in the sun again. Werner
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Suspected gang member charged with murder of Asbury Park man
Maybe the judge is proving the old adage that the pen is mightier than the sword. Violent criminals are apparently fine to remain on the streets, but vocal citizens should be locked up. Interesting theory. On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Hinge wrote: But no bail for Werner. Gee, what are they worried about, that he might speak out against the city? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - shooting, out on $50k bail. Then murder. Geez, what DON'T we know about WB that he CAN'T get bail???
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Resoultion needed by Asbury City Council - Emergency Commuting of Sentence
On Sep 4, 2007, at 7:03 PM, dfsavgny wrote: Folks, no matter what your feelings Werner, it is obvious that something is way out of whack here That should be perfectly clear from having the Police check out a tip that Werner had a body in his basement. Things really can't get any stranger than that. I would love to know who called in that tip. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury historian gets 45 days in jail for contempt of court
Way to go Tommy! Werner, we're all pulling for you. Hope you get out soon. On Sep 4, 2007, at 8:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, he is being represented now. Tommy DeSeno has taken his case. Tommy plans to file an appeal, then ask the judge for a stay of the sentence -- all tomorrow. Let's wish him much success. Maureen Maureen Nevin Asbury Radio -The Radio Voice of Asbury Park -Silenced by the FCC, but why?? 88.1FM - 6 Years on the Air!! Would've been 7 this July... Asbury's Own Live Talk Show Listen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM or Ooops, see below... Listen Live or Later on the Web http://www.asburyradio.com/ Call the show 732-775-0821 oops, not since the FCC visited this litte 100watt station - four times!! Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463 Still can call this number... Speak up - It's America!! Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Rev. Kev,... Help Me Out
Maybe it's just me, but I'd be hearing that ol' commandment Thou Shall Not Kill in my ears all of the time. That commandment never says kill if the battle is correct or anything like that, it's pretty specific. Funny how religion has pretty much abandoned that aspect in the last 100 years or so. On Sep 3, 2007, at 5:15 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then he continued that Deo Vindice (God as Our Defender) was the slogan of Confederate soldiers; and Gott Mit Uns (God with us) worn by German soldiers in WWII. So I'm skeptical that simply repeating God Bless our Troops yaer after year after year means anything in terms of real support. To the troop himself I imagine it means a great deal. To go into battle, to kill and risk being killed, I think I would want to feel a closeness with God. I would want to be sure in my cause being just, to be able to reconcile the killing with my religeous belief.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re:The Great Iraq Swindle
I don't remember reading about that story. Was it really a big deal? On Aug 24, 2007, at 2:34 PM, rook782 wrote: The bullets are new, not fired. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mainstream media had this Iraqi woman all over the place last week with a very sad story about how Americans fired bullets into her house. Can anyone see what's wrong with the picture? http://www.neptunuslex.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/bullets.jpg
Re: [AsburyPark] Global Warming Makes Ocean Saltier; Oh, Unsaltier too
On Aug 24, 2007, at 4:00 PM, justifiedright wrote: Good grief. Exactly why I don't believe in this kooky stuff and the mad scientists that I'm told I must rely upon: Tom, What are your thoughts on the simple things that you could see every day. Forget for a minute about the world wide stuff and tell me: 1) Don't you remember lakes that used to freeze over no longer ever freezing over during the winter? 2) Isn't it crazy to have NYC with its coldest day ever happen during the dog days of August? 3) Remember the days when the only time you saw Canadien geese was when the Yankees were playing the Blue Jays? You keep wanting to rely or deny what scientists are telling you. I'm asking you about the things in our area that you grew up with that are completely different now. How do you explain these things?
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Long Branch continues to kick Asbury in the a** A Better Plan
On Aug 7, 2007, at 5:27 PM, dfsavgny wrote: What is the solution? Conservation and reduction of emissions. Forget biofuels, fuel from coal or even hydrogen-cells (like to see a crash with those suckers). Hybrids good, but gasoline is more efficient once the vehicle is moving. Electric when at a standstill or low speeds. Increase usage of bikes (bike lanes AND enforcement) and public transportation. I still think that if we had a government that really wanted things to change we could make them change quickly. Pull a we're going to the moon by the end of the decade situation with electric cars and see how fast we could get out of the oil mess. Electrics can already be built to go at normal speeds or even high speeds like sports cars, the problem is in bringing the price down so that ordinary folks can afford them. That's where the government should get involved - not with tax breaks for individuals but directly with the auto makers. We help out Detroit and the plane industry so much anyway, why not help them (while forcing them) to bring electric cars to the masses? It always amazes me that Detroit has seemed to be against electric cars when I'd imagine it could do two things for them: 1) If pushed, electrics could help revolutionize Detroit's auto sales by beating Europe to the next step. Just look at how hybrids are selling. Europe beat us to that punch much sooner than Detroit. If GM could become the leader in electric, it would open new markets for them. 2) I believe that instead of removing jobs it would create tons of jobs and the need for new factories. and for the USA 1) It would lessen our dependency on foreign oil 2) It would be far cleaner and better for the environment 3) Prices would probably be more stable than the rotating prices we get from the gas market. Cars were originally electric, I'd love to see the day when they're electric again. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Long Branch continues to kick Asbury in the a** A Better Plan
On Aug 7, 2007, at 6:38 PM, Hinge wrote: I'm with you on this, but unfortunately it's the government and it's ties to the oil industry that are the problem. Not only that, but even though it's the right thing to do for the environment and for future generations, imagine trying to shut down the over abundance of gas stations that dot our landscape? Somehow corporate greed often wins out over logic. In a perfect world, it would be great to see gas stations retrofit to pump things other then gas, like hydrogen for fuel cells. Why would you have to shut down gas stations? Why not just convert them to quick recharge outlets for electrics? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Grand Ave Bridge one of worst structural bridges in nj
Grand Avenue over Sunset Lake in Asbury Park, Monmouth County is one of the bridges with the worst structural ratings. From: http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail? contentId=3997918version=4locale=EN-USlayoutCode=TSTYpageId=3.2.1 ** New Jersey also has more than 1,000 bridges considered obsolete, many of which are reduced to carrying minimal loads and face replacement or closure because they don't meet current standards for lane width or other factors. Together, those categories account for more than one-fourth of the 6,400 bridges in New Jersey that are at least 20 feet long. Of the more than 7,000 county-owned bridges in New Jersey, these spans have the worst structural ratings: -- Court Street over Hackensack River in Hackensack City, Bergen County. -- Locust Avenue over Claypit Creek in Middletown, Monmouth County. -- Doty Road over Ramapo River in Oakland, Bergen County. -- Wilson Road over Bells Lake Branch in Washington Township, Gloucester County. -- Old Trenton Road over Big Bear Brook in West Windsor, Mercer County. -- Grand Avenue over Sunset Lake in Asbury Park, Monmouth County. -- Asbury Avenue over Mingamahone Brook in Farmingdale, Monmouth County. -- Kingsland Road over Third River in Clifton, Passaic County. -- Griggstown Causeway over Millstone River in Franklin, Somerset County. -- Maple Grange Road over Pochuck Creek in Vernon, Sussex County. -- Route 649 over Pohatcong Creek in Washington Township, Warren County. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Grand Ave Bridge one of worst structural bridges in nj
On Aug 7, 2007, at 9:12 PM, wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grand Avenue over Sunset Lake in Asbury Park, Monmouth County is one of the bridges with the worst structural ratings. = Out Dated info - that bridge has already been conpletely replaced. I was a consultant for the design to retain/restore its historic appearance. Werner Nice to know the state doesn't even have its database correct - should make fixing the bridges rather interesting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: First Night should change their name
On Aug 6, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Hinge wrote: All I can say is that everybody I know, including my co-workers at The Saint refer to it as First Night. I wanted to see how it was listed on the cityofasburypark.com website, but the website appears to be broken again. I don't think it's the web developers fault that the website has problems. Currently, something is pushing the page to be wider then it's supposed to be, and I believe it's because whoever in the city is in charge of updates isn't following guidlines. The current site is a content managed site, which means that the framework is complete, and there is an administrative back-end built into it so that somebody from the city can login and add new content. There really isn't a good reason why a city website has to be set up like this in my opinion. The website makes you do extra steps for just about everything. Want more information on one of the upcoming events? You click on the event to get a box asking if you want more information to click there. After clicking it you'll load a Microsoft Word doc. This stuff should all be done in html. It would make it cleaner and help it be noticed much more by the search engines. The city is losing a lot of marketing power with things like this. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:34 PM, justifiedright wrote: Accordingly, the people who use it most are the ones who have time - high school and college kids. Unfortunately, it is also used quite often by journalists.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tourism and Asbury Park
On Jul 12, 2007, at 6:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the early 90's, when I lived in Hudson County, my wife and I would drive to Monmouth County for the BEACH - it is only an hour away, but we would not want to drive an hour back North if it looked like it was going to be nice weather the next day (and risk dealing with traffic). We would spend hours driving up and down Route 35 looking for a place to stay overnight. It always suprised me why there are really no Oceanfront hotel / resorts along the NJ shore (I don't count Atlantic City) - None on LI either for that matter... why doesn't anyone think the ocean is a big enough draw?? Build it and they will come. Amen to that. If I had the money I would build a hotel in a heartbeat. Done correctly (like the Ocean Place) I'm pretty certain a Shore hotel would do very well. The beach is certainly enough of a draw. Sadly, it's a bigger draw with hotels (which we lack). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Sure - raze the Pony.
On Jul 11, 2007, at 3:15 PM, wernerapnj wrote: I play Red Bank, New York, Philadelphia and thought this could be a place to be without staying at a hotel,'' Oates said. Ironically, that's kind of why Asbury Park developed into a great music town -- it's a perfect stop over and place for a show while people are playing New York City and Philly. It's one of the reasons why Asbury could take advantage of the music history in ways few other towns could ever do.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tourism and Asbury Park
On Jul 11, 2007, at 3:21 PM, oakdorf wrote: Don't your boys have to change the WRP for that to happen? Ask them. Why do you think Great ADventure wants to build a couple motels/hotels -they want people to hang around at least one night. Dinner and Breakfast. I've never understood why nobody has put up a hotel near Great Adventure. They've talked about it for decades it seems. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Sure - raze the Pony.
On Jul 11, 2007, at 3:30 PM, wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's one of the reasons why Asbury could take advantage of the music history in ways few other towns could ever do. == Asbury Park is in the Golden Triangle, in terms of destinations, of New York City, Atlantic City and Philadelphia. That's one of the reasons why I truly believe people are mistaken when they think Asbury Park could NEVER be a world class tourist destination again. We have NYC, Philly, and DC within a short trip. We also have a marketing engine that was not available during the 70s or 80s - The INTERNET. Think about it. A well organized pr/marketing campaign could be done these days for much less and reach many more people than ever. With millions of people within a short drive and mass transit, why couldn't a beach town with a world wide name reclaim its place? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Sure - raze the Pony.
Didn't he play Ocean Grove last year or the year before? He'd probably do very well at the Great Auditorium. On Jul 11, 2007, at 3:40 PM, dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2007, at 3:15 PM, wernerapnj wrote: I play Red Bank, New York, Philadelphia and And in the right hands, he would have finished the sentence Asbury Park. My good friends are relatives of Johnny Maestro (Sixteen Candles). I was thinking about asking him to push to play AP. You think he could draw a crowd here?
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tourism and Asbury Park
On Jul 11, 2007, at 4:54 PM, oakdorf wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because great adventure is not big enough for multiple days yet. Thay have plans to place one in the park but they need the park to be bigger first That's also because RETAIL (outlet center) is boring and not a tourist atraction. Also, because even though GA is there, Jackson Twp is a not big name. And, a couple pieces of property some want $1-$2m acre. Then you also have to figureout how to fill the place year round - to around 70% occuppancy. I understand Jackson Twp isn't a big name, but that's exactly why I think a hotel would work. Every day there are people at Great Adventure from NY and PA - seems to me that if I had a family in those places it would be a lot easier to go to Great Adventure if it didn't have to be a really early start and a late return. Personally, I'd prefer staying overnight - maybe having the park offer a 2 day pass at discounted rates so you didn't have to rush through everything. I realize a lot of people dig the day trips, but there must be some who'd prefer to stay overnight. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Nostalgia for Old-Time Amusements?
On Jul 10, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Hinge wrote: I have an easy answer to this subject... Just take a drive to Pt. Pleasant Beach any day this summer (non rainy of course) You'll see tons of people and you will have to pay semi-big bucks to park. The boardwalk is packed. Yeah, after just being there on Monday I really wonder why people seem to think that it's a certainty that Asbury Park could never return to its glory days as an amusement area. It may be a certainty that they don't want it to be that type of town, but I can't see why people are so sure you can't have things be that way anymore when there is a town like Pt. Pleasant less than 10 miles away. I realize that property values are so high that it's tempting for condos and stuff, but there is definitely a lot of revenue being generated on that Pt. Pleasant boardwalk, tons of jobs, and crowds basically throughout the entire year - not just the summer. If Asbury Park wanted to return to that, it could. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Nostalgia for Old-Time Amusements?
On Jul 10, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: i'm in point pleasant and this is the reason i come up to AP! I have no problem with that. I can totally understand why people might not want to live in a tourist town. What I don't believe is when people say Asbury Park could never return to the popularity it once had as a tourist destination. If people don't want it that's one thing. If people think it can never happen it's kind of hard to believe when you see towns like Pt. Pleasant, Seaside or even Keansburg still around and close by. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Can this be Correct ?
On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:14 AM, justifiedright wrote: Gary, Madison Marquette renamed the Tiki Bar to Tillie's Beach Bar. Why are you blaming Asbury Partners? Because Asbury Partners had spent about 2-3 years building the Tiki Bar into a known commodity. When we had the Wave Festival last year, we were part of the stage at the Tiki Bar. Nearly everyone involved had never heard of the place except for a few musicians who had played there the previous year or two. After that festival, the Tiki Bar was on the map. If Asbury Partners had known how to do marketing they would have tried continuing and building up that name - not let someone change it again. And the strangest thing was seeing ads for The Wet Bar in the same location. I guess that name didn't go very far. The blame for this one could be on both hands; however, if you had built up your law practice to where it was a recognizable name, would you have let your new partners completely change the title? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Can this be Correct ?
The name change might be to distance themselves from Partners. Anything Partners touches turns to $hit. When Mary ran the Tiki Bar it was great. Partners ruined it. The Deep, etc. That makes sense. I knew they would have to rename The Deep because of the death that took place there and the negative coverage but I didn't think the Tiki Bar had a bad reputation - it was just not promoted very much. Still, if they did that to make it look like this is a new era more power to them. And I love how another place with TILLIE must drive TCN nuts! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Can this be Correct ?
On Jul 8, 2007, at 10:49 PM, oakdorf wrote: They were cranking them out at the fireworks at the tillie beach tiki well barwhatever the name is. Ok, I know some are going to call this another complaint but it's more of an observation. Asbury Partners has ZERO idea about marketing. They had the Tiki Bar for about 2 years before anyone knew where or what it was. And then once people finally knew about the place they go and change the name not once but apparently twice as I've seen advertisements prior to the summer for it called both the Tillie Bar and The Wet Bar. Meanwhile, I heard the Deep was going to be renamed The Wave. Changing your name each year is not the way to start attracting a regular crowd IMO. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Reparations
On Jun 19, 2007, at 11:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/19/2007 11:18:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So far what I've seen is the emergence of two languages that do not look like they have any plans to become one. Once again, I agree. Makes me somewhat uncomfortable, as do the burkas one sees more and more. I hope we don't get as nuts about this as the Quebecois and the Anglo Quebecers during the 1970s. I think that's all quieted down now. Not sure though. That's what I think is funny. You hear some people saying how Canada does so well with two languages (although I think they've made both languages official) but the Francophones still start movements to succeed every few years. Things aren't as pleasant between the two worlds there as some would like you to believe. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] bloomberg
On Jun 20, 2007, at 8:46 AM, oakdorf wrote: why not? Comments. I've been hoping he would run. As a registered Independent, he has my vote if he runs. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Bloomberg video
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/channel-08/?hpid=topnews There's a hour long talk with Bloomberg online. After watching it, I continue to believe that he's the guy who should run. He just breaks things down to simple problems and gets things done. After being a Democrat for nearly all of his life and a Republican for the last 8 years or so, he's now officially an independent. It's the perfect place to be. Why be beholden to party politics and be forced to support policies you don't agree with? I'll never understand why Americans want politics to be like sports with one side having to be better than the other. If anyone believes 100% of their party platform something is wrong, imo. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Reparations
My father, an immigrant from Italy, spoke very broken English throughout his 60 some years here. And yes, he worked very hard -- to enable my brother and me to better ourselves through education. It's definitely possible that the immigrants want to learn English and may even be doing so - I just haven't personally seen it. I have immigrants as neighbors and pass at least 50-100 every day while walking my dog. I've yet to hear a word of English. What I have been seeing in Shore towns is not much different from when I used to go to Elizabeth in the '90s. I'm not sure how it is now, but about 10-15 years ago, English was pretty much a forgotten language everywhere but at City Hall (where I think they had a mandatory English only policy at the time). Every sign for every business on Main Street was in Spanish. Is that bad? Yes and no. It's nice to have a mixture of cultures; however, places like Little Italy and Chinatowns are not seen spreading across an entire city. When an entire city is in a foreign language, it seems a bit far fetched to think those people are assimilating. After all, why should they? Everything they need is in their native tongue. But, just as you stated, I know I could be wrong about this. I'm not quoting statistics across the country, I'm only saying what I believe based on what I see every day. The wave of immigration to the Shore hasn't been just a few months - it's been several years. So far what I've seen is the emergence of two languages that do not look like they have any plans to become one. And as someone else pointed out, when I'm in a foreign country I try to learn the language. Maybe they are too, but so far I haven't seen it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 18 Johns arrested in AP yesterday
On Jun 17, 2007, at 10:58 PM, justifiedright wrote: The answer was assimilation. I don't recall them demanding any street signs, applicaitions or 411 calls in yiddish. Once again, I'll stand beside Tommy on an issue most people probably wouldn't believe a liberal would stand beside a conservative. I look at it this way. We have had waves of immigration from Germans, from Italians, from Chinese and other nationalities. The difference is that the current wave is simply not assimilating in any way of the previous waves. And for good reason. As Tommy points out, it's easy to have 1 or 2 million Germans or Italians learn the language but when you have 10-20 million of a different language come over at the same time there is less reason to assimilate - especially when we run ads in print and tv in Spanish and allow businesses like bodegas to be completely in Spanish. This is far different from having a Chinatown that's a block long. Belmar, just ten years ago, didn't have a single bodega. We now have 3 within a 5 block area. I have nothing against that (and personally love Spanish food); however, I do think America would be better off having an official language as I do see many problems for the country in the next 5-10 years and I don't see the assimilation or desire to be part of the melting pot that previous immigration waves showed. This immigration wave is very different. If you don't believe that, please show me a part of America where my German ancestors still speak solely German. I doubt there is such a place.
Re: [AsburyPark] Thank you Kevin, Jimmy and John
On Jun 16, 2007, at 11:16 AM, justifiedright wrote: Best PR we've had in years. The Future Starts Here team will go down in Asbury Park history as the greatest leaders this City has ever had. 30 years of other City Councils left these guys with a challenge that most thought couldn't be met. They have the City soaring, turning huge names like Chetrit and Madison Marquette into believers. Tommy, I'm just curious as to what your take is on the Future Starts Here team setting up a plan that appeared heavily geared towards residential and now basically changing the plan toward one geared more towards tourism. Doesn't that kind of strike you as a bit strange? What is coming now is almost a complete reversal. While I'm strongly in favor of what we're seeing now, I have a hard time calling them great leaders when they basically came up with a plan, took several years, and then scrapped the plan for something which makes more sense for a beach town. Wouldn't a great leader set a course of action that would work from the beginning? Or do you disagree that the plan seems to have moved from residential to tourism based? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Answers to Your Questions
I agree Tommy. I think this is clearly a victory for those who wish to see more tourism/entertainment in the plan. It's kind of funny seeing the same people who boasted about the success of their residential plan ideas now boasting about the success of the tourism angle... I think the hotel could be a much better success than people are thinking. There are VERY FEW hotels along the shore of Monmouth County these days. The only hotel that I've seen advertise on a decent level is the Ocean Place in Long Branch and that always has plenty of cars there. Let's say the new hotel advertises on a similar national/regional level - that would bring people back to Asbury and back into looking at hotel prices in the area which could lead to more visitors at the other hotels as well. If marketed correctly, people that were planning on coming to a town like Belmar (maybe for the Seafood Festival) might stay in Asbury rather than a hotel in Wall. Hotels are needed to make the tourism idea work and the existence of a new hotel would also force the idea of entertainment into play. On Jun 13, 2007, at 6:53 PM, justifiedright wrote: I'm with you, Chuck. The division here was always between the people that like the current residential plan and the people that wanted a mixed use with more tourism/entertainment thrown in. This latest development is a turn toward the tourism side. I expected this news to be heralded here as a victory for the tourism/entertainment folks.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Answers to Your Questions
OceanPlace also does tons of those home shows and business conferences to get people year round. I agree that the Berkeley will most likely start advertising on a good scale, but so far the two hotels seem to rely on the word of mouth more than anything. The Berkeley seems to do well with weddings and stuff. I can't see why a new hotel wouldn't be a success. People seem to forget all of the uses that a hotel has and the advantages of a hotel by the beach are enormous. Imagine: 1) weddings 2) business conferences 3) beach and summer travelers 4) event goers spending the night for concerts 5) the simple addition of being the newest hotel (and most likely the most state-of-the-art, clean, nice features, etc.) There's more than enough reasons for it to be a success imo. On Jun 15, 2007, at 12:55 PM, oakdorf wrote: The only hotel that I've seen advertise on a decent level is the Ocean Place in Long Branch and that always has plenty of cars there. Ocean Place is booked from June 15 to labor day. They cater to their clients from NY/Brooklyn.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Perfect Example of Bad Planning
On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Hinge wrote: Gary, I give you permission to ignore the jackass who feels it's important to put you down here. I have a feeling it's somebody we know using a different name... The person felt so strong about this that he sent me a personal email where he says things like: 1) I've never lived in Asbury (that's true, I've only lived between 3 miles and 12 miles of Asbury my whole life) 2) You were never part of the music scene here till about 2 years ago. (it's funny when people like to think that... truth is I go back to 1986. I have no reason to put up a resume but it's funny how people who supposedly think they know want to believe that I just showed up rather than grew up in this area. I don't even characterize myself as part of the scene. I'm a writer that writes about the local scene among other things. I don't claim to be an expert on this or virtually anything. I do, however, believe that music tourism was practically gift wrapped to this town and the town failed and still fails to see just how easy it would be to make music tourism thrive for Asbury. 3) Nobody really cares what any of you (all 8 of you) on this board thinks or says. (and yet, apparently, he does care because he keeps coming back) He then tries asking simple questions to test my music history. Did I go to the Warped Tour, the WNEW shows, or have I ever seen Bruce live at the Stone Pony. * What I don't understand is what is the fascination that Asbury Park people have with ONLY having long-time Asbury residents have a say in anything? Sure I don't live in town (although I have worked in town and run a business in town) but these people don't want to listen to home owners who haven't been in Asbury longer than a decade or so. And others don't care what you say unless your parents lived in Asbury or you're 3rd generation Asbury. Doesn't that seem kind of ridiculous to you? Maybe if they didn't try so hard to restrict ideas from the outside world the city wouldn't be in the state it is today. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Perfect Example of Bad Planning
Let's just say that it's under a new email address... as to be expected. On Jun 6, 2007, at 3:16 PM, dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The person felt so strong about this that he sent me a personal email He is obviously off his meds again (I assume he will be emailing me too now). What I don't understand is what is the fascination that Asbury Park people have with ONLY having long-time Asbury residents have a say in anything? Just some. Some that have vested interests in the status quo. You criticize to some extent the status quo; hence, you have sinned. Don't lose any sleep over it.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Perfect Example of Bad Planning
Charlie, his post stated: I guess it comes from inflated distribution numbers... that was an intended dig at the magazine although a ridiculous one as we've never inflated our numbers. We have no reason to. On Jun 5, 2007, at 1:31 AM, charlie wrote: Why is it that when people here respond, they generally have to attack people personally? Where in my original post did my magazine come into play? Or are you just jealous at the amount of copies we distribute? Maybe i missed a post before, but from the last one he sent, regarding your post. All he said was a question, where did you get your numbers from? he saw 13,000, where you saw 30,000? I don't see any comment about your magazine mentioned!? Oh, well. I might have missed something, so ill stay out of this. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Perfect Example of Bad Planning
Inflated distribution numbers? LOL. We print and distribute 20,000 copies. We're moving to 25,000 this summer. And roughly 160,000 readers online... Feel free to call our printer if you're interested. Maybe I was wrong about the Warped Tour numbers, I don't know. I can't find the numbers on the web other than a 2002 show that drew 16,000 (over your number). Why is it that when people here respond, they generally have to attack people personally? Where in my original post did my magazine come into play? Or are you just jealous at the amount of copies we distribute? BTW, the WNEW shows easily did 80,000 to 100,000 by police reports and anyone that was there can verify those amounts. If you don't believe it, I'll be glad to post the pictures of a crowd from the Casino to Convention Hall plus the boardwalk plus a dozen or more boats watching the show. On Jun 4, 2007, at 8:27 PM, rawdogalways wrote: The Warped Tour in Asbury Park was sold out at 13,000. Where do you get your numbers Gary? I guess it comes from inflated distribution numbers... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Warped Tour brought 30,000 people to the town. Was this festival near those levels? I agree with Werner. This plan was absolutely 100% against the idea of tourism. It's amazing that a town with a beach, a boardwalk, and history would abandon such features that other towns could only dream about. On Jun 3, 2007, at 9:22 PM, charlie wrote: The Plan was not created with attracting visitors in mind. Tourism, events, etc were notconsidered or accounted for. The Beach and commercial components are to be for the use of the condo dwellers. I agree, i think a lot of the boardwalk stores, food, and other attractions are aimed at being worthy enough for these million dollar condos. There for sure will be high class places, aimed to please these high end condo buyers. Although, i think many aspects of the boardwalk will catter to a typical boardwalk. You can have a mix of both, and claim the happiness of different groups all at once. With todays events, you have to wonder. If the roadwork were the way it was before, would the event still have parking problems? I say yes. I remember a few years back when i was in highschool and i'd go to the Warped Tour (a concert of sorts), the streets were always packed with no parking. Now this is going back 6 years before any roadwork had begun. Parking appears to have always been an issue. Now it's worse, becasue parking spaces were lost. You couldnt have gained any, but you didn't have to loose any either. Places like The Wonder Bar and the Stone pony attrack a lot of cars on certain nights. These buildings are sitting in the mist of a changing enviorment. They don't seem to fit in 100 percent. In a few years, will they still be there? If they arn't then things may go along smoothly (not sure how smooth). But becasue they are still there, there almost in the way, or a blockage of sorts causing insanity. It's not that the deisgn is bad, it's just different then what these buildings came out of. The design isn't designed in the same ways that the previous one was. The Convention hall and Casino are huge buildings. However, they may not need as much parking as everyone thinks they will need. Why? Becasue from the way things were planed, its possiable these buildings were not to be used as much as they had been. Not to the max, not to capacity. But maybe below capacity! They can't take them down. They know there would be hell to pay if they tried to, or did. These are just thoughts.. Clearly i don't know any information, or claim to know what's going on! Whats everyone else think? I like the lights, the sidewalks. The plaza in front of Convention hall is nice. I didn'tget my curved sidewalk around HoJo back, but i like the new courtyard a lot. I also consider it to be sitll be open space like what was there previously. I think that area can now hold a lot of people. standing, walking thru. Compared to before, everyone had to squeeze thrue that 10 foot wide walkway around Hojo?! Now you can have groups of people coming off the sidewalk and heading straight for the boardwalk. On one side they cut back the openness. Yet on the other, they opened things up in aspects. Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
Re: [AsburyPark] Asbury developer wants to buy into Kara Homes
developer Glen Fishman He's a developer On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:03 AM, Allan Peterson wrote: http://njrereport.com/index.php/2007/04/14/will-kara-ever-be- trusted-by-buyers/ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Perfect Example of Bad Planning
The Warped Tour brought 30,000 people to the town. Was this festival near those levels? I agree with Werner. This plan was absolutely 100% against the idea of tourism. It's amazing that a town with a beach, a boardwalk, and history would abandon such features that other towns could only dream about. On Jun 3, 2007, at 9:22 PM, charlie wrote: The Plan was not created with attracting visitors in mind. Tourism, events, etc were notconsidered or accounted for. The Beach and commercial components are to be for the use of the condo dwellers. I agree, i think a lot of the boardwalk stores, food, and other attractions are aimed at being worthy enough for these million dollar condos. There for sure will be high class places, aimed to please these high end condo buyers. Although, i think many aspects of the boardwalk will catter to a typical boardwalk. You can have a mix of both, and claim the happiness of different groups all at once. With todays events, you have to wonder. If the roadwork were the way it was before, would the event still have parking problems? I say yes. I remember a few years back when i was in highschool and i'd go to the Warped Tour (a concert of sorts), the streets were always packed with no parking. Now this is going back 6 years before any roadwork had begun. Parking appears to have always been an issue. Now it's worse, becasue parking spaces were lost. You couldnt have gained any, but you didn't have to loose any either. Places like The Wonder Bar and the Stone pony attrack a lot of cars on certain nights. These buildings are sitting in the mist of a changing enviorment. They don't seem to fit in 100 percent. In a few years, will they still be there? If they arn't then things may go along smoothly (not sure how smooth). But becasue they are still there, there almost in the way, or a blockage of sorts causing insanity. It's not that the deisgn is bad, it's just different then what these buildings came out of. The design isn't designed in the same ways that the previous one was. The Convention hall and Casino are huge buildings. However, they may not need as much parking as everyone thinks they will need. Why? Becasue from the way things were planed, its possiable these buildings were not to be used as much as they had been. Not to the max, not to capacity. But maybe below capacity! They can't take them down. They know there would be hell to pay if they tried to, or did. These are just thoughts.. Clearly i don't know any information, or claim to know what's going on! Whats everyone else think? I like the lights, the sidewalks. The plaza in front of Convention hall is nice. I didn'tget my curved sidewalk around HoJo back, but i like the new courtyard a lot. I also consider it to be sitll be open space like what was there previously. I think that area can now hold a lot of people. standing, walking thru. Compared to before, everyone had to squeeze thrue that 10 foot wide walkway around Hojo?! Now you can have groups of people coming off the sidewalk and heading straight for the boardwalk. On one side they cut back the openness. Yet on the other, they opened things up in aspects. Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
